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a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two unique 
questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must get a 
touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of why 
i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at all  in 
that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I will 
wait.

Thanks,
Kare

Re: a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Cameron,
Most  informative thank you.
I suppose then  that the iPod allows for upgrading to the enhanced voices?
I did not recall much about the video edition, but i do recall the 
classic, thinking that there were a few generations  of the unit.

Indeed eBay may be a fine door for the older options.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


The iPod touch line has the iOS touch interface like the various
iPhones and iPads do.

If you're talking about the click wheel with the enter button in the
middle, that would have been the iPod classic and video models. They
were killed off years ago but you can still get them at a pretty good
price second hand, and, a new battery and new hard drive can be had
for a reasonable price.

The iPod video line worked with the fre rockbox firmware which had
speech. You could also use it like you would any external drive
without using iTunes or anything which was great. The classic had no
speech option that I am aware of, however, there were people that did
use them by memorizing button presses etc.

Hope that helps,

Cameron.



On 12/8/16, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two unique
questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must get a
touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of why
i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at all  in
that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I will
wait.
Thanks,
Kare




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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-09 Thread Karen Lewellen


Scott,
I cannot use ios at all, the voices stimulate the dizzy centres of my 
brain because of a vascular accident in a surgery.

My question about the touch was as an absolute last resort.
Since the iPod is at the request of my medical team, i prefer not making a 
substitution for a device that will not do the job.

I cannot imagine why I would require geo-navagation  to listen smiles.
Thanks for the ideas,
Karen


On Fri, 9 Dec 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


Kare, one thing you could do is use a decommissioned phone, it works just 
nicely as an iPod like device and you don’t need the latest and greatest but 
you can definitely take advantage of enhanced voices.  You also have the 
advantage of having a GPS receiver in these as GPS is part of the cell modem.  
Grab an old 6+ for example and you’ll also have an upgrade path for a while 
longer.



On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

I may make the Classic  a priority then.
For me personally, at least the last time I tested them at an apple store, the  
enhanced ios voices  too were a bit of a physical dizziness risk.
If I can avoid  the touch I  will.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi Kare. You can download enhanced voices for an iOS device like the
iPod touch but the voices for the rockbox firmware on the iPod video
for example is very slim if any as I recall.

I always wanted the classic as the high capacity model was a whopping
160gb which is still huge now for an mp3 player you can easily fit in
a pants pocket!

Cameron.




On 12/8/16, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:



This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.


On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I
will wait.
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-09 Thread Karen Lewellen


Scott,
This discussion is not about an iPhone, it is about an iPod.  I tested an 
i-phone 6 in an apple storeand after I started almost throwing up from 
the dizziness, did not feel continuing to play was a smart idea.
Given the subject line, might not asking what do you want an iPod for? 
before  making an off point suggestion avoiding  exchanges like this one?


since I also referenced buttons  I believe in my first post, I do not feel 
an iPhone 
qualifies smiles.



On Fri, 9 Dec 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


Well, the more recent more powerful iPhones have a greater selection of voices. 
 Not sure if they all have the negative effects you mention, you told me in 
detail about the problem before.  I know Alex for example is out of the 
question but some of the others may be a better fit, there are some Nuance 
voices if memory serves, Tom being one although again not sure if this has the 
same effect.

Geo navigation on an iPod is more useful than you think.  I’ve used one as a 
backup device as I have used GPS for independent travel.  My thought was though 
the newer more powerful iPhones have a greater variety of voices and might have 
fit your medical needs more but it sounds like you’ve tried this.

Maybe as you said the older iPod video or similar may be the way for you to go.



On Dec 9, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Scott,
I cannot use ios at all, the voices stimulate the dizzy centres of my brain 
because of a vascular accident in a surgery.
My question about the touch was as an absolute last resort.
Since the iPod is at the request of my medical team, i prefer not making a 
substitution for a device that will not do the job.
I cannot imagine why I would require geo-navagation  to listen smiles.
Thanks for the ideas,
Karen


On Fri, 9 Dec 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


Kare, one thing you could do is use a decommissioned phone, it works just 
nicely as an iPod like device and you don’t need the latest and greatest but 
you can definitely take advantage of enhanced voices.  You also have the 
advantage of having a GPS receiver in these as GPS is part of the cell modem.  
Grab an old 6+ for example and you’ll also have an upgrade path for a while 
longer.



On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

I may make the Classic  a priority then.
For me personally, at least the last time I tested them at an apple store, the  
enhanced ios voices  too were a bit of a physical dizziness risk.
If I can avoid  the touch I  will.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi Kare. You can download enhanced voices for an iOS device like the
iPod touch but the voices for the rockbox firmware on the iPod video
for example is very slim if any as I recall.

I always wanted the classic as the high capacity model was a whopping
160gb which is still huge now for an mp3 player you can easily fit in
a pants pocket!

Cameron.




On 12/8/16, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:



This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.


On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I
will wait.
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-08 Thread Karen Lewellen

Perhaps I read a post too swiftly then, as I thought one was shared here 
recently  that Apple was going to discontinue the IPod.

Sorry if i am mistaken.
Your comment suggests that  the nano still exists?
Will be helpful to hunt models if I know the last generation.
Thanks,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Todor Fassl wrote:




This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the ipod 
nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the ipod touch 
serves since an ipad mini is so similar.



On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the iPod.
 I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two unique
 questions.
 First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must get a
 touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
 Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of why
 i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at all  in
 that situation.
 I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I will
 wait.
 Thanks,
 Kare



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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

2016-12-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


I may make the Classic  a priority then.
For me personally, at least the last time I tested them at an apple store, 
the  enhanced ios voices  too were a bit of a physical dizziness risk.

If I can avoid  the touch I  will.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi Kare. You can download enhanced voices for an iOS device like the
iPod touch but the voices for the rockbox firmware on the iPod video
for example is very slim if any as I recall.

I always wanted the classic as the high capacity model was a whopping
160gb which is still huge now for an mp3 player you can easily fit in
a pants pocket!

Cameron.




On 12/8/16, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:



This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.


On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I
will wait.
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: Merry xmas to u all

2016-12-24 Thread Karen Lewellen


Same to you down there Simon, to everyone on list.
You know something Simon, I have always wondered what the holiday radio 
play list  consists of  in Australia.

I mean let it snow might not resonate laughs.
Cheers,
Kare


On Sat, 24 Dec 2016, Simon Fogarty wrote:




Sent from my iPhonehi mac visionaries. Merry xmas from the down under. And a 
great new years also   Halfway through xmas day and alls well so far. Only one 
quake this morning.

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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

2017-03-26 Thread Karen Lewellen


Just wondering,
why not tell dropbox about the issue encouraging them to fix the problem?
I agree, largely because I have read  of professional associates 
having issues...without evening involving accessibility.

Still, I hear equally unpleasant things about cloud services.
A company cannot learn without input if that makes sense.
Kare


On Sun, 26 Mar 2017, Krister Ekstrom wrote:




26 mars 2017 kl. 16:22 skrev Kliphton Miller :

What is this other group?


It???s the Logic Pro accessibility mailing list that shares their synths and 
documentation and stuff on Dropbox.
/Krister

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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

2017-03-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


mark,
I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate 
with this  effort  should  consider.


Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as 
if  it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 
400 million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as 
if they are the 
same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to establish 
frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture 
as it is to create employment.
Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / 
sighted, they are going to be what they are...very confused.
To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the 
window  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few 
tools in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if 
"the blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned 
that place. By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the 
rest of humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify 
the fabric of society, individually with what makes you special, 
collectively with what gives you the chance to view the world differently.

Off my soapbox now, smiles.
kare


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello All,

Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.

In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
against aids.

In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
thousands of veterans and immigrants.

Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
vision.

To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.

To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
vision employees, where reasonably possible.

I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.

We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
that we matter.

The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)

Mark


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Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

2017-04-02 Thread Karen Lewellen


on a side note, something to consider.
There is a well established scam where you get an email branded from 
apple, claiming that your apple id has been compromised.

I get them regularly, and I do not even have an apple device.
The scam is one of many those who  successfully hacked large players use to 
further the  work of stealing your devices.
be very very careful that once you make this change you can easily and 
effortlessly verify to your devices that it is really  you.
Simply fortifying the importance of Andrew's question.  if there is a time 
limit, you may sart to look like  a hacker.

Kare


On Sun, 2 Apr 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
If its valid up to ten minutes then i have to try to get it going on apple 
music on android again.
I don’t know why but i got a verification code and entered it directly after my 
password but it did not work.
I wonder if its because i have to digits at the end of it.
BUt this shouldn’t be any problem.
/A

1 apr. 2017 kl. 23:06 skrev M. Taylor :

Hello Andrew,

You ask a very interesting question.

Even though the field to which you are prompted to enter the 6-digit code has 
disappeared after switching to the messaging app, try re-initiating the 
process, in the original app, as the code should still be valid for at least a 
few minutes.  I thought I read somewhere that the code is valid for up to 10 
minutes.

Mark

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Subject: Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my 
Devices and Accounts

Dear Mark,

Thank you for posting this.  I have two factor verification turned on, and i  
usually use a trusted device (my ipad) to receive a 6 digit code.  But say, no 
trusted device is available.  If the code arrives via text message on the 
iphone from which I'm trying to log in, how can I reliably read repeatedly the 
code that's been sent to me?  I've tried this, and I couldn't.  When I went to 
messaging application to read and memorise the code, and then returned to the 
application which required my entering the code, the field to which I'd have to 
type the code was gone.  Any tips or suggestions? Or does this mean that I 
always have to have another device at the ready while logging in?

On 1 Apr 2017, at 08:10, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello All,

Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple
accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7,
Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email
accounts from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all
components, including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel
for Windows, and, after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs
from the grave to serve as on the fly trusted devices, all of my
products are now protected via Two-Factor authentication.

I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as
arduous as I so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time
and patience to learn the entire process.

To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will
be prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the
fly code you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web
browsers.  The best thing is that once you select to trust the device
or web browser, you will not be prompted for the security code again,
unless you choose to be prompted.

I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor
authentication on all of my devices and products to the test and I
must say that it performs as beautifully as Apple claims, including
when it is necessary to generate an application-specific password for
non-apple legacy clients such as older versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.

Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed
during the upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.

One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade
to two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and
familiarize yourself with the site because after upgrading to
two-factor for longer than
30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging
into that site with a verification code from either a trusted
device/phone number.

Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the
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2017-04-14 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
Apple has been making the mac inclusive for several years now.
Given the experience on this list, I am curious what edition  of the 
platform, tiger, lion, or bear, smiles you feel is the strongest and why?
I will ask about ios separately.  Am I also correct that many if not most of 
you own  more than one device even running more than one platform?

Thanks,
Kare

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

well, given there is no more uniformity in appreciating sound then there
is a uniform sighted verses blind people concept at all, I would say
certainly some do.
What tends to happen with consumers in general is that they think it is
supposed to be that bad because they hear it everywhere. MP3 content can
be the same, with a desire for better sound feeding the return of lp
records.
Companies and individuals who take their communication seriously either
use different services, instant teleconference for example, or run the
sound through a proper filter.
Not everyone calls in on the same sort of device, and I have yet to be at a
zoom event where the presenter tried taking questions, or doing more than
the captive audience thing.
Still this has nothing to do with the nonexistent two sides of a coin concept
of sight or its absence.

Kare

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on
the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!! Wonder if sighted people think the
quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!

Cait

On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

I will add that zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number
instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is sort
of nose crinkle worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
Karen

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:

I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a
conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.

On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered recently:
www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us/>. The big news here is that they have an accessibility
website (https://zoom.us/accessibility <https://zoom.us/accessibility>), an email address
(acc...@zoom.us <mailto:acc...@zoom.us>), and a commitment to keeping their product
accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major
platforms.

I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on their
website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. However,
things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you try Zoom,
I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.

I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was already
brought up over there.

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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

2017-04-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

I will add that zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number
instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at
all.
Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is
sort of nose crinkle worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is
there.

Karen

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I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn???t read during a
conference, but it???s not a deal breaker.

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I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered recently:
www.zoom.us . The big news here is that they have an accessibility
website (https://zoom.us/accessibility ), an email address
(acc...@zoom.us ), and a commitment to keeping their product
accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major
platforms.

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Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

2017-08-09 Thread Karen Lewellen


My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
preparedness situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?

As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
that had to stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand 
a Sony walkman.  had I 
not,
 I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?

Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too.
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device.
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat.
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.

The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah Tew/CNET
Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
Starbucks and airport lounges.
The rivals are backed by two opposing standards organizations, too: The
Wireless Power Consortium for Qi, and the AirFuel Alliance for Powermat. The
latter was formed when Powermat and its Power Matters Alliance merged with a
third, rival wireless standard (confusingly called the Alliance for Wireless
Power, or A4WP) in 2014.
The good news is that the rivalry has been less of a zero-sum game in recent
years. Samsung, for one, has made its recent high-end Galaxy phones
(including the S7 and S8) compatible with both inductive charging standards,
so you can juice it up on a Qi-powered counter at McDonald's and a
Powermat-powered one at Starbucks.
'True' wireless charging: Energous and Powercast
Forget about 4 centimeters. How about charging from a distance of 4 meters?
Or anywhere in an average-size room?
It's a pretty recent concept, but companies like Energous and Powercast are
producing technology that can more accurately be called wire-free. Both use
radio frequency (RF) energy, a charging method that works similarly to
Wi-Fi, that enables devices to charge when within the range of a power
transmitter.
Energous is

Re: Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over the next year, according to report

2017-08-16 Thread Karen Lewellen

now, this is an arena where Apple can start filtering positive images 
into popular culture.
For allot of those who do not understand adaptive technology,, its because 
they have not seen the technology in use.
have a restaurant scene? put a couple at a table, one with  a service 
animal or  a cane.
shot of a street with people passing? let one of them use a visible 
navigational device.
Certainly you can up the image  into characters but at least start by placing people 
living differently where the general public can notice and go...oh okay, I 
saw that  on  Apple tv or something.

Thoughts?
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Barack Obama.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:45 AM
Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over
the next year, according to report

Apple appears to be taking original content production very seriously.
Building on significant talent hires, the Wall Street Journal writes Apple
has readied a $1 billion budget to 'procure and produce' content over the
next year.
The report says the sum is about half what HBO spent on production last
year. Apple could launch up to ten new shows, with Apple SVP Eddy Cue said
to have ambitions to offer shows that rival Game of Thrones.

Apple's initial rounds of content have not been runaway successes, with
Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke receiving bad-to-mild reviews from
critics. Reach of the shows has also been limited to users with Apple Music
subscriptions.
However, until recently, it didn't really feel like Apple was giving much
priority to original content efforts. With a large wallet and premiere
talent leading the video programming division, it is likely that the quality
of Apple's in-development programming will also be higher.
The report notes that Jamie Erlicht and Zack Van Amburg, the Sony veterans
Apple hired in June, started work in early August and have taken over video
production responsibilities from the Apple Music team. The execs have
already held meetings with Hollywood to find shows to acquire.
It isn't clear yet how the new shows will be released to customers. Apple
currently hosts Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke on Apple Music, but
it seems likely that the company will double-down on a true, dedicated,
internet TV service with the new initiatives.
In terms of hardware, a new Apple TV set-top box is expected to launch later
this year with support for 4K output. The product could be announced as soon
as September, alongside the new iPhone and Apple Watch models.

Original Article at:
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Re: Conversation about Accessibility w/ Tim Cook of Apple | #GAAD

2017-07-09 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi,
Would someone mind doing me a favor?
I believe many here realize I am not fully an apple user for other
physical reasons, some I am happy to say I am in the process
transforming.
Still, Scott, here in Canada accessibility is already a human right, truth
be told it is also in the state of new York.
Anyway, I am wondering if anyone would kindly send me a transcript or
mp3, or
better yet .aif copy of that interview?
I am presently at the Canadian human rights tribunal with a successful
accessibility case against TD Bank, who has presence legally on both sides
of the border. I suspect there is something in that recording worth
including in mediation documents I am preparing.
One issue I find time and time again is how, even if well meaning, swiftly individuals, and
companies generalize access, i. e. all those sharing a label accommodate
the same. The terrific thing about seasoning the discussion with human
right, is that it also includes individual human dignity, i. e. at the
most basic levels, no two humans are the same even if they share the label
of being human.

Any takers?
Thanks,
Karen

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017, Scott Granados wrote:

This was a very interesting listen. I like the attitude of accessibility being
a human right. Very interesting position from a major tech player.

On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Interview with Tim Cooke.

https://youtu.be/kXy8KcONTSs

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Re: Conversation about Accessibility w/ Tim Cook of Apple | #GAAD

2017-07-10 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi Chris,
Now that looks like a  handy on line tool.
Worth a test effort to be sure.
Thanks,
Kare

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Could you use an online tool like

https://www.onlinevideoconverter.com/mp3-converter

and then download the mp3 it generates?

CB

On 7/9/17 4:30 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi,
 Would someone mind doing me a favor?
 I believe many here realize I am not fully an apple user for other
 physical reasons, some I am happy to say I am in the process transforming.
 Still, Scott, here in Canada accessibility is already a human right, truth
 be told it is also in the state of new York.
 Anyway, I am wondering if anyone would kindly  send me a transcript or
 mp3, or better yet .aif copy of that interview?
 I am presently at the Canadian human rights tribunal with a successful
 accessibility case against TD Bank, who has presence legally on both sides
 of the border.  I suspect there is something in that recording worth
 including in mediation documents I am preparing.
 One issue I find time and time again is how, even if well meaning, swiftly
 individuals, and companies  generalize access, i. e. all those  sharing a
 label accommodate the same.  The terrific thing about seasoning the
 discussion with human right, is that it also includes individual human
 dignity, i. e. at the most basic levels, no two humans are the same even
 if they share the label of being human.
 Any takers?
 Thanks,
 Karen

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>  This was a very interesting listen.  I like the attitude of 
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>  major tech player.
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Re: : Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

2017-07-20 Thread Karen Lewellen


I actually doubt it, but I imagine you must bank with them?
Contact them and ask perhaps?
Kare


On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Matthew Dierckens wrote:


Hi, Do you have to live in Toronto to participate?

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
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Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com


On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:21, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare


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Subject: [Torshout] FW: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with
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Sent: July 19, 2017 10:51 PM
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Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C 
I B C usability testing

C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover users to 
participate in one-on- one usability testing.
??? Payment: $150 in cash
??? Duration: 1 hour
??? Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 ??? Location: Dundas and Yonge. 
Easily accessible via subway

The potential participants need to have some basic experience with online 
banking or online shopping. Please contact Jose at jose.bonifa...@cibc.com or 
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Thank you and please help spread the word.


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: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

2017-07-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare

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Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C 
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C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover users to 
participate in one-on- one usability testing.
• Payment: $150 in cash
• Duration: 1 hour
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mac HTML editor suggestion?

2017-07-22 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
I have a friend who is a former apple staffer.  she is updating the contact 
information on my website.  The site is done in  HTML, and she wants to 
know a good html editor for the mac?

Thanks,
Kare

Re: mac HTML editor suggestion?

2017-07-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

To the  best of my knowledge text editing is not the goal here.  None of 
the 
page   coding will be changed, just my off ice address / number on the 
contacts page.

Kare


On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Erik Burggraaf wrote:

Set text edit to use plain text instead of RTF. Then turn off all of the 
special symbols, and you have a text editor for editing HTML. This is how I 
did most of my code when I had a Mac.



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Hi folks,
I have a friend who is a former apple staffer.  she is updating the contact
information on my website.  The site is done in  HTML, and she wants to
know a good html editor for the mac?
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: mac HTML editor suggestion?

2017-07-24 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi everyone,
thanks for the education.
Quite the adventure actually.
Granted it might have been the editor I tried, since I am not as of yet 
physically able to use voiceover or textedit.  Still, trying to edit the 
information  with the .htm file for my site page produced...less than 
successful results.
still, the nice thing is that I have the file myself now, saving 
the person, who is not a voiceover user, the issue  of getting into my site 
via ftp.
I can send the thing to her, tell her the text edit solution, get it back, 
and replace the page myself.
i richly appreciate all the wisdom provided here.  Otherwise I might not 
have  done the steps I could manage, and I am very glad to have learned 
those  steps.

Cheers,
Kare


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Textedit can also act as a WYSIWYG editor for HTML files, you don't have to
be a HTML guru.

TextWrangler and(which I understand is being phased out) and its big
brother BBEdit are not usable by VoiceOver users. I can forward my reply
from support if you want to see it, but right now their text widgets are
incompatible with VoiceOver.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 24 July 2017 at 10:24, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


If you are just modifying the content then a simple text editor will work
fine. In the end, unless there is some complex content management system
behind the scenes, HTML files are just text. So you could open up the text
file, wade through (and otherwise ignore) all the markup and just modify
the text related to your address or the like. In other words, you can
probably do this yourself.

CB


On 7/24/17 8:46 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


I am not doing the editing myself. Instead, as requested by the person
doing the work, I asked for a program suggestion.
I certainly resonate  with the task being simple in text, but I do not
judge the skills of others by assuming they match my own.
Thanks all,
Karen


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, -dan d. wrote:



If that is all you want to change a simple text editor is the perfect
tool.

A html editor would be overkill.

Html coding is plain text encased within a set of text characters to
render
function and format when a browser encounters them.

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 To the  best of my knowledge text editing is not the goal here.  None of

 the
 page   coding will be changed, just my off ice address / number on the
 contacts page.
 Kare


 On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Erik Burggraaf wrote:


 Set text edit to use plain text instead of RTF. Then turn off all of

the

 special symbols, and you have a text editor for editing HTML. This

is >  how I

 did most of my code when I had a Mac.

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klewel...@shellworld.net> >  wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I have a friend who is a former apple staffer.  she is updating the
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Re: mac HTML editor suggestion?

2017-07-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


I suppose I am surprised  there are no mac editors  for HTML.
DOS  has them after all.
Kare


On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Erik Burggraaf wrote:

Regardless, you still have to set text edit to plain text instead of RTF, and 
you still have to turn off Smart symbols. If you don't, then it will save 
your encoding improperly, whether you change any of it or not. Best, Eric



On July 23, 2017 1:56:51 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

To the  best of my knowledge text editing is not the goal here.  None of
the
page   coding will be changed, just my off ice address / number on the
contacts page.
Kare


On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Erik Burggraaf wrote:


 Set text edit to use plain text instead of RTF. Then turn off all of the
 special symbols, and you have a text editor for editing HTML. This is how
 I
 did most of my code when I had a Mac.


 On July 22, 2017 9:16:34 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
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 Hi folks,
 I have a friend who is a former apple staffer.  she is updating the
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Re: mac HTML editor suggestion?

2017-07-24 Thread Karen Lewellen

I am not doing the editing myself. Instead, as requested by the person 
doing the work, I asked for a program suggestion.
I certainly resonate  with the task being simple in text, but I do not 
judge the skills of others by assuming they match my own.

Thanks all,
Karen


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, -dan d. wrote:



If that is all you want to change a simple text editor is the perfect tool.

A html editor would be overkill.

Html coding is plain text encased within a set of text characters to render
function and format when a browser encounters them.

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:


 To the  best of my knowledge text editing is not the goal here.  None of
 the
 page   coding will be changed, just my off ice address / number on the
 contacts page.
 Kare


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>  Set text edit to use plain text instead of RTF. Then turn off all of the
>  special symbols, and you have a text editor for editing HTML. This is 
>  how I

>  did most of my code when I had a Mac.
> 
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>  On July 22, 2017 9:16:34 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> 
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>  Hi folks,
>  I have a friend who is a former apple staffer.  she is updating the 
>  contact

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>  know a good html editor for the mac?
>  Thanks,
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Re: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-25 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi there,
Speaking for myself, I can share that those fishing e-mails are likely not 
due to your being a member here, but due to icloud.
Hackings in general are producing allot of these.  I get them asking about 
my apple id, and I am not that kind of apple user.
Simply follow practical wisdom.  do not read  anything that you feel 
should not  be coming to you.
Apple does not as a rule ask you to confirm important details via e-mail, 
at least that was my understanding.

So, just filter them as spam if you have that ability.
My thoughts,
Kare


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Hi.

I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure please?  The 
reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails from a 
supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists and all 
blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the e-mails have my 
name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know that all the 
Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can search for these 
e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that our e-mail addresses 
are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I have had too many 
suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one person on this list who 
can do this sort of thing and they will be nameless.  I will only say, the 
person is brilliant at defrauding women on this list (as I was one of them) as 
he is a member of this list.  No more said.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: prayers and leaving this wonderful group for now

2017-04-27 Thread Karen Lewellen


Zoe,
You know something?  I am already joyously anticipating your return.  I am 
already appreciating the amazing story you will share of your recovery, 
and 
of all the things you  teach those participating in your healing.
I say this because, as hard as it may be to imagine right now, the God you 
serve  never abandons you, leaves you alone, or forsakes you.  In truth 
you need not ask for mercy because grace unconditional love healing and 
infinite mercy are yours just because you exist.
No soul with such perseverance passion to keep living, and willingness to 
still choose faith at all  can anticipate anything less than divine 
transformation.

I can write this yes?  but it is not my body.
I can and do hold you in  the light and love of the God you serve, because 
I know no  more creative healer can be found.
Still the faith  must come from you.  No matter how small, appreciate 
anything  at all.  No matter how tiny give thanks the best you can. 
Speaking for myself the vibration of struggle will only fortify the 
struggle.   I believe you can because You write  strongly of your faith, 
fine thing is it not that a 
tiny  mustard seed is all you need?
homeopathy is a terrific field, naturalpathic medicine too, both of which are 
regulated branches of medicine   in Ontario as you know.
Trust that since the God you serve  never leaves you, that salvation can 
come to you from ways that are infinite in their possibilities.
If you can, as you can, bless where you are, with the loving support of 
your husband, and a bunch of strangers reading of your bravery in this 
situation who are pulling for you!

Kare


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Hi fellow listers, moderators, and owners. Hope you are all doing ok.
Unfortunately I have no choice, I have to unsubscribe from all the email
groups I belong to. I haven't been able to check email and be online for a
long time and it seems I will be out of things for much longer. When I
turned on my laptop this morning I had over fifteen thousand emails waiting
for me. Given my situation I just can't keep up anymore. I pray that one day
I recover and are able to join my favourite groups again.  My family is
against me telling people what's wrong but I feel in writing this email I'm
also helping myself to come to grips with my illness. I will remain
subscribed a few more days so that I may read your thoughts in hopes that
your words might help me to continue to fight this awful illness.
Again I'm sorry for the off topic post and I hope the moderators can find it
in their hearts to forgive me, and if one day I recover I hope they will
remember me and let me back in to my favourite mailing groups.
Before I tell you all my story, I would like to thank each and every one of
you for either your help on various topics, or your individual private help
through the phone or private email, or your messages of getting to know me,
or your words of encouragement when it came to the mac, jaws, NVDA, windows
10, household tips, cooking instructions, prayers, and harmless chit chat.
If I offended anyone in anyway, or gave anyone a hard time please forgive
me.
Here's my unbelievable story.
Last August I was doing a lot of gardening mostly weeding to be honest. I
was on my hands and knees from morning to night pulling weeds and keeping my
property clean. I am grateful to the good Lord for blessing me to have such
a lovely property but it's old and no one ever took care of the garden. The
result is weeds on top of my weeds. Chemicals are forbidden here in Canada,
and I haven't been able to find an affordable solution, so I'm left with
fighting weeds on a daily bases. I am a sun lover and adore summer, last
summer was the first time in my life that I couldn't wait for summer to be
over. I was exhausted and I have nothing to remember for my 2016 summer
except pulling weeds all most every day for the whole entire spring, summer,
and fall.
In August I noticed 2 mosquito bites on my elbow and 2 on my inner left
thigh. The bites were very itchy just like normal mosquito bites, so I
didn't think anything of it. I also noticed my nails were black underneath.
I thought it was dirt from the garden, to spite that I was showering every
single day and cleaning my nails, the next morning they would be filthy
again. Again I thought it strange but I justified it in my head as to much
gardening. In August my husband and I visited a few local restaurants and
spent two nights in a motel in north Ontario for a weekend away.
I wanted to try my hand at building a small business doing something I love
so I decided to start making my own bracelets and selling them online. I
have always loved costume jewellery and to spite my vision problems, I have
been taught that there is nothing I can't do. My mother always said "try and
if you fail, oh well, life goes on. Try different things until you find
something you are good at and you love doing." So I talked to my mom and
husband and they both backed me as

Re: Reading ePub files on the mac

2017-08-06 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi,
Granted I cannot be certain this will work because of copyright.  Still, 
robobraille,

www.robobraille.org
will convert epub books into things like rtf which might? be accessed from 
another program.
Because the conversion is supported by educational institutions, his 
school might  assist with any issues copyright wise assuming the files 
cannot be converted.

Just an idea,
Kare


On Sun, 6 Aug 2017, Kat DeNicola wrote:




I have a friend who needs to read his ePub textbooks on the mac.  Two
Questions about this:

1. I know ePub books read in iBooks, but I???m finding navigating the text
clunky. The up and down arrows go from page to page, it seems, and not line
by line, so I???m having to use the trackpad rotor on the navigation setting
to do that. I don???t have much experience with iBooks, and my friend even
less so. Is there an easier way to navigate the text?

2. What are the options for accessible ePub readers for the mac other than
iBooks?



Thanks!

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Re: AccuWeather sends user location data to monetization firm despite iOS privacy settings

2017-08-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


Wow, what a fine illustration of app research.
Ahem, there is no evolving standard, if a user says no, then that means 
no.

Thanks for sharing,
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


AppleInsider - Frontpage News - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 4:39 PM
AccuWeather sends user location data to monetization firm despite iOS
privacy settings
 Popular iOS weather app AccuWeather, often listed as a top-ten app in the
Weather section of the iOS App Store, has been collecting and forwarding
user location information to data monetization company Reveal Mobile even
when location sharing is disabled.

The potential breach of privacy was detailed by security researcher Will
Strafach on Monday.
Strafach, who monitored data traffic on a test phone running AccuWeather in
the background, discovered the app would send packets containing Wi-Fi
router name and BSSID information to Reveal Mobile every few hours. That
data can be crosschecked against publicly available router and MAC address
location information to determine a user's whereabouts with relative
precision.
Most troubling is that AccuWeather's Wi-Fi and MAC address data gathering
operation continues when location services are disabled.
When the app is first installed, users can opt in to location tracking,
which allows AccuWeather to push out severe weather alerts, critical updates
and "make the app launch faster." According to Strafach, the app logs
precise GPS coordinates, including current speed and altitude, router name
and MAC address information, and device Bluetooth status when background
location services are activated.
For Reveal Mobile, Bluetooth is an important piece of its core technology.
As detailed in documentation on its website (PDF link), the company helps
advertisers serve relevant content to consumers by harvesting location data
from partner apps.
Reveal Mobile "turns the location data coming out of those apps into
meaningful audience data. We listen for lat/long data and when a device
'bumps' into a Bluetooth beacon," the company says.
Users can decline app calls to activate location services, presented at
first launch and again when searching for weather in a specific area, to
limit the scope of data sent to offsite servers. However, as explained by
Strafach, the continued transmission of Wi-Fi router information is
problematic.
In a statement to ZDNet, Reveal Mobile said it does not use Wi-Fi and BSSID
information for location determination.
"Everything is anonymized," said Brian Handley, CEO of Reveal Mobile. "We're
not ever tracking an individual device." He went on to illustrate a
situation in which Reveal can use the information to deliver advertisements
to customers inside a Starbucks location.
In response to Strafach's revelations, Reveal Mobile issued a public
statement clarifying its location tracking technology. The firm maintains
that it follows all App Store guidelines and honors device level and app
level opt-outs and permissions. In particular, the company says it does not
reverse engineer device location based on "other data signals" when a user
opts out of location services.
In light of the recent findings, however, Reveal Mobile is releasing a new
iOS SDK that "no longer send[s] any data points which could be used to infer
location when someone opts out of location sharing."
For its part, AccuWeather vice president of emerging platforms David
Mitchell said the company plans to "use data through Reveal Mobile for
audience segmentation and analysis, to build a greater audience
understanding and create more contextually relevant and helpful experiences
for users and for advertisers."
Following Strafach's blog post, a number of AccuWeather users abandoned the
app over privacy concerns. As of this writing, the weather app stands in the
No. 6 spot in the Weather section of the App Store.
Update: In a statement to AppleInsider, AccuWeather confirms Wi-Fi network
information was available for "a short period" on the Reveal SDK, but went
unused by the app. Whether that same data was used by Reveal Mobile was left
unmentioned.
The statement in full:
Despite stories to the contrary from sources not connected to the actual
information, if a user opts out of location tracking on AccuWeather, no GPS
coordinates are collected or passed without further opt-in permission from
the user.
Other data, such as Wi-Fi network information that is not user information,
was for a short period available on the Reveal SDK, but was unused by
AccuWeather. In fact, AccuWeather was unaware the data was available to it.
Accordingly, at no point was the data used by AccuWeather for any purpose.
AccuWeather and Reveal Mobile are committed to following the standards and
best

RE: Apps That Will Produce US Phone Numbers for Calls and Texting

2017-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


Well is not that cool...canooks rising!
Anyway, Shawn who is your provider?  It does not make sense indeed given 
amazon  did the last testing for that  service at the University of 
Waterloo in Ontario.

Perhaps something from your provider is preventing the  work?
Just a likely nonsensical idea,
Kare in Toronto.


On Fri, 12 May 2017, David Diamond wrote:


You live in Canada?  You poor thing.  AAA.  LOL. For the record, I live in 
Western Canada, the wet coast.

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On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:22 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Apps That Will Produce US Phone Numbers for Calls and Texting

Hey guys. Now that Amazon has come out with Alexa to Alexa Calling, I am eager 
to try it out. However, I guess because I'm in Canada, the appropriate tabs 
don't appear so I can enable this feature, which is funny because someone in 
Australia has enabled it just fine so it doesn't make sense. Anyway, I wanna 
try to nip this problem in the butt, so I'm looking for any apps for iOS 
that'll let me send and receive texts from a US number. I only need this so I 
can get that thing to work. Any suggestions?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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voiceover speech in words per minute?

2017-05-11 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
There is a research from the WAI interest group,
www.w3c.org/wai
Who is doing a presentation on the ability of users to process  using 
screen readers at often very fast words per minute.
He desires including all platforms, with Voiceover rates only set in 
percentages.
Anyone have  a good source for how those percentages translate into wpm in 
voiceover on the mac or in Ios?

Thanks,
Karen

RE: PayPal question

2017-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen


Laura,
Please please tell Paypal that you are having this problem, even if someone 
gives you a solution.
Reasoning is because there  was an intensive  discussion on the w3c main 
list, the people who draft web access guidelines for the internet.  In many 
ways paypal is violating these rules.  Just because an individual claims it 
works for them does not mean it applies to anyone else.  Although paypal 
has a program manager for accessibility, she has no direct contact with 
customers. Meaning paypal has no idea anyone is having a problem unless 
the problem is reported.

I know their transform  setup changed recently.  Call them,
1-888-221-1161, ask for a supervisor, and tell them.
Otherwise those who do not have access to lists like this may never get a 
solution.

Thanks,
Karen


On Sat, 13 May 2017, myguidedo...@gmail.com wrote:


My clients pay me through money transfer.  All they need to do is give you the 
password to access the money and you do the rest.  You get a notice from money 
transfer that  has sent you money, then all you do is click on the link, 
enter the needed info such as your bank institution,account #, then enter the 
password the client gives you to get paid.  But, some also are using paypal to 
send money so, this post is good info if I ever need it.  Yes, I do have the 
pay pal app on my IPhone.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: PayPal question

Hi Laura.

My solution is to use the Paypal app on an I phone if you have an I phone if 
you can't use Paypal on your computer.  Paypal is still accessible on both 
platforms and I am sure I used pay pal recently and had no problems.  I checked 
it just now using my Mac and find it just as accessible.

Kawal.

On 12 May 2017, at 21:30, Laura Bratton  wrote:

Hi all,
I need help with PayPal. When I am trying to transfer money from my PayPal 
account to my banking  account I am not able to do this with vo.  I can get to 
the place where I need to select the to and from but that part is not 
accessible. Does anyone have experience with this? Is there any workarounds 
anyone has found?
Thank you for the help,
Laura

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Re: I Mac Pro.

2017-06-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


I must agree,
after all how do you know what this individual can appreciate?
I say if the Mercedes fits, drive it!
Kare


On Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

It's a matter of choice.  Whether a blind person is the person purchasing it 
shouldn't be the crutch mentioned here.  Just because you can't see the screen, 
doesn't mean that you shouldn't desire a higher end computer.  Now, what really 
needs to be considered in my opinion, is the tasks and such that will be 
accomplished on the computer.  In many cases, a high-end iMac itself would 
likely perform tasks very well, but it's entirely up to the person who's making 
the purchase.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:51, Daniel Miller  wrote:

If you want to spend what will probably amount to nearly $18000 on a computer 
that has so much power that the average blind person doesn’t need, go right 
ahead.

On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

And scott,


A screen that a blind person can't appreciate!
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I Mac Pro.

I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do that 
most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 18 cores, 
4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a machine.



On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may be I 
won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just want a new 
gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple gadgets.

On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  wrote:

I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro money.;)



On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in December.  
It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am rather excited that a 
new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for anyone in the UK on this list 
who may want an I Mac as I am going to sell this one as cheaply as possible 
around the three or £400 mark.  I am just letting those of you know who live in 
the UK to find out if anyone will want an I Mac come Christmas time.

I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one just about 
fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
Kawal.

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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

2017-06-10 Thread Karen Lewellen


even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.


On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
/A

10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>:

Scott,
I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different operating 
system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
Thanks,
Kare


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has a 
command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point and 
click and use the GUI.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com> wrote:

So is this an alternative to VMWare?

thanks,


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

2017-06-10 Thread Karen Lewellen


Scott,
I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different 
operating system like Linux, which screen reader is used?

By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
Thanks,
Kare


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


Yes, it???s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point and 
click and use the GUI.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

So is this an alternative to VMWare?

thanks,


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: Music Beds and podcasts

2017-09-21 Thread Karen Lewellen

I was about to suggest  just getting in touch with  Cameron, as his work 
is first rate!
Besides, if you  do not know what you are about you will violate a 
copyright.


Karen



On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Cameron Strife wrote:


You could do it in garage band or reaper...

By the way, I offer a range of audio and music services so get in
touch if you need anything... Original music, editing, backing tracks,
etc.

Cameron.





On 9/21/17, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:

Hi all,

What is the best editer to perform basic actions, such as adding backing
tracks to a podcast? I just want to add some backing music to a podcast and
wonder what the best app to do it simply is. Bossjock studio hasn’t been
updated in a while and whatever they’re using for DropBox was depricated.

Thanks.


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Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

2017-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving 
voiceover,   for the serious work?
Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely using 
less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so ignore me 
lol.
Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with your 
phone  rather than ask Siri?

Just wondering,
Kare



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Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat 
meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation 
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten  wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when you 
asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come back and say 
I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does that look good? 
Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already gave you the street 
name of the store name, and I know there is only one such on that street, why 
don't you just give me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google 
does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even 
in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the hell did 
you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other people found improvements 
to Siri in the real world? I know it can do all sorts of music trivia about 
which I care not. But what about real world situations? You know, like when you 
want a phone number and don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with 
your so called Assistant?
Mary


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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

2017-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


Offense is a choice, not an absolute...I thought your comment  was funny.
As for directory assistance on your IPhone,  Bell will credit past charges 
and  you can have that for free.
..and it was likely Rogers.  They were my first land line provider, and 
misspelled  my name badly.
To this day, even though Bell is my provider now, the misspelling remains 
giving  me a terrific way out with telemarketers.

Tim has me hungry for seafood!
Karen



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line provider.
Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.  The
worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years, yet Shaw
said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them of their
existance, it still took them months to update their data base.  Bell, the
landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island yet.  However, I think
they charged me for D A.  Either that or it was Rogers.  Regardless I was
charged $3 per directory assistance.  I just wanted to add numbers and
addresses to my contact list.  Then I got all these charges on my bill and
was told D A was not free. Glad you took my comment in the spirit it was
meant.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory assistance
either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage
enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute
dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries over to
Apple products.
Laughing at the video games  comment.
granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as a
professional tool.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or
his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they
can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more
naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even
Google maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision
challenges, not their fault of course as there are more Blind friendly

apps out there such as

Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the
past, the operators spoke a different language then English so either
did not understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when
you asked for a number, gave you the number for someone else that lived in

a different?

State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code
and they give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the wrong

listing.

Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps
uses their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if
you can get it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity infantile.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving
voiceover,   for the serious work?
Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely
using less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so
ignore me lol.
Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with
your phone  rather than ask Siri?
Just wondering,
Kare



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat

meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a
confirmation sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in

translation.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely
obtuse

when you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will
come back and say I found such and such a place on such and such a
Street, does that look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well,
Siri, since I already gave you the street name of the store name, and
I know there is only one such on that street, why don't you just give
me the phone number I asked for in the first place? Google does this
and so does Alexa. But good old Siri still can't get this right even
in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty elementary stuff. What the
hell did you do with all your work on Siri, anyway? Have other p

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

2017-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory assistance 
either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage 
enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute 
dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries over 
to Apple products.

Laughing at the video games  comment.
granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as 
a professional tool.

Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even Google
maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision challenges, not their
fault of course as there are more Blind friendly apps out there such as
Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the past,
the operators spoke a different language then English so either did not
understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when you asked for a
number, gave you the number for someone else that lived in a different?
State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code and they
give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the wrong listing.
Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps uses
their computer for just playing video games. Not shoddy work if you can get
it I suppose.  For me, I find that type of activity infantile.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 9:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

speaking only for myself, is not siri more of a toy anyway? leaving
voiceover,   for the serious work?
Personally I just dial directory assistance, since Siri  is likely using
less  current data.  Still I am not using  an iPhone anyway, so ignore me
lol.
Seriously, could not you just google the location for the number with your
phone  rather than ask Siri?
Just wondering,
Kare



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

While I understand your frustration with the redundancy and somewhat

meaningless back and forth banter, I believe that it is just a confirmation
sort of thing due to the fact that mistakes can be made in translation.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 09:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse

when you asked to find a specific place on a specific street. It will come
back and say I found such and such a place on such and such a Street, does
that look good? Or is that the one you wanted? Well, Siri, since I already
gave you the street name of the store name, and I know there is only one
such on that street, why don't you just give me the phone number I asked for
in the first place? Google does this and so does Alexa. But good old Siri
still can't get this right even in iOS 11. Come on Apple. This is pretty
elementary stuff. What the hell did you do with all your work on Siri,
anyway? Have other people found improvements to Siri in the real world? I
know it can do all sorts of music trivia about which I care not. But what
about real world situations? You know, like when you want a phone number and
don't want to engage in meaningless back-and-forth with your so called
Assistant?

Mary


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RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

2017-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen

Well speaking only for myself,  I can tell you that sarcasm even with 
facial expressions has no universal dictionary.
It is one thing I wonder about using face recognition  on IPhone as some 
sort of security.
There are simply too many expressions, and interpretation of those 
expressions.  It is one reason why audio description helps those from 
different  cultures, regardless of eye chart score.
Speaking only for myself, I feel even suggesting that sight and blindness 
are  some two sided uniformed concept misleads everyone, simply does not 
work  that simply.

Now back to dinner.  What is the name of the fish & chips heaven chain?
I hope it is national!  I really love all things seafood.
Seriously, words are neutral in my view, we bring to them our own 
definitions largely.   meaning in my view that how we respond, the power 
to be insulted, in theory lies entirely with ourselves.

 Kare



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Well, you'd be surprised or maybe not, how many people in this world take
offense at my comments especially in emails.  Even in person.  With the
sighted, I think, cannot they see my facial expression? For the record, the
Lobster out east supposedly tastes better than the one in the west here. The
Oysters in Fanny bay are delicious, though. As is the Salmon.  Now, I better
get off this subject because, I too am getting hungry.  One of the chains
here has all the fish and chips you can eat every Tuesday.  The fish is Cod
and each piece is half the size of a dinner plate.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 12:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

Offense is a choice, not an absolute...I thought your comment  was funny.
As for directory assistance on your IPhone,  Bell will credit past charges
and  you can have that for free.
..and it was likely Rogers.  They were my first land line provider, and
misspelled  my name badly.
To this day, even though Bell is my provider now, the misspelling remains
giving  me a terrific way out with telemarketers.
Tim has me hungry for seafood!
Karen



On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


I use Bell as my carrier for the Iphone and Shaw as my land line provider.
Shaw directory assistance is free.  Sadly, you get what you pay for.
The worst example was, Best buy has been here for a couple of years,
yet Shaw said there was no listing for it. Even after notifying them
of their existance, it still took them months to update their data
base.  Bell, the landline service has not made it to Vancouver Island
yet.  However, I think they charged me for D A.  Either that or it was
Rogers.  Regardless I was charged $3 per directory assistance.  I just
wanted to add numbers and addresses to my contact list.  Then I got
all these charges on my bill and was told D A was not free. Glad you
took my comment in the spirit it was meant.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 23, 2017 11:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

I use bell here in Canada, and have never paid for directory
assistance either for my  Land Line, or my cell.
I suppose I will discover   how the iPhone works if I either  manage
enough   brain treatment that I can process the voices without acute
dizziness, Or  a voice I can use of a hardware speech kind  carries
over to Apple products.
Laughing at the video games  comment.
granted i learned to play blackjack in DOS, but I use my computer as a
professional tool.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin
or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and
if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love
comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson

Mandela.


On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Karen, we love you, however, SIRI uses Google maps I believe.  Even
Google maps is for the sighted not for ones who have vision
challenges, not their fault of course as there are more Blind
friendly

apps out there such as

Nearby Explorer.   As for Directory assistance, I don't know what carrier
you are using for it, most must pay at least $3 per call and in the
past, the operators spoke a different language then English so either
did not understand what you wanted, weren't really listening or when
you asked for a number, gave you the number for someone else that
lived in

a different?

State or province.  When you know the party is in the 203-area code
and they give you a number in the 602-area code, you know it is the
wrong

listing.

Your response reminds me of someone who has good vision and perhaps
uses their computer for just playing video games. Not shodd

Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Eileen,
Now, this is just a guess, because I am unsure where you are located. 
However the DVD editions of Game of Thrones come out in a set for the 
entire season,  One of the DVD options should be the series with the 
descriptions.  basically it should work the same as you do this normally, 
if the series is in your library I mean.

Hope this helps,
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Eileen Scrivani wrote:


I???ve been wanting to watch Game of Throwns on DVD since my sister keeps 
telling me its a really good show. However, I would like to get it on DVD from 
my local public library. So, does anyone know how I can determine if the DVD 
had audio description? I usually listen to these DVD???s on my Mac book using 
DVD player. I???m not sure what menu to check under to find the DVS option if 
its available.

Thanks.

Eileen

From: Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I
would
with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up an 
email list or drop box folder let me know.
Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
Regards.
Nektarios.


On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And where 
are you getting it from?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the enclosed link 
was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad

On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio <mabuha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Eileen,
I am in Toronto, we get entirely different editions in our libraries.  I 
would  guess that perhaps it might be the same one you find in your 
library editions for other television works?

Karen



On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Eileen Scrivani wrote:


Hi Karen,

I am in NJ. What is the abbreviation they are using now for video description? 
DVS or DV or a.d.v.? Thanks.

Eileen

From: Karen Lewellen
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

Hi Eileen,
Now, this is just a guess, because I am unsure where you are located.
However the DVD editions of Game of Thrones come out in a set for the
entire season,  One of the DVD options should be the series with the
descriptions.  basically it should work the same as you do this normally,
if the series is in your library I mean.
Hope this helps,
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Eileen Scrivani wrote:


Ive been wanting to watch Game of Throwns on DVD since my sister keeps 
telling me its a really good show. However, I would like to get it on DVD from 
my local public library. So, does anyone know how I can determine if the DVD 
had audio description? I usually listen to these DVDs on my Mac book 
using DVD player. Im not sure what menu to check under to find the DVS 
option if its available.

Thanks.

Eileen

From: Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I
would
with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up an 
email list or drop box folder let me know.
Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
Regards.
Nektarios.


On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And where 
are you getting it from?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the enclosed link 
was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad

On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio <mabuha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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RE: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-08 Thread Karen Lewellen


well...not exactly in one case from that sentence. smiles.
Karen


On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Spoilier alert,
Dragon dies and and john snow gets it on with the calesie

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017 8:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

Hi Eileen,
I am in Toronto, we get entirely different editions in our libraries.  I would  
guess that perhaps it might be the same one you find in your library editions 
for other television works?
Karen



On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Eileen Scrivani wrote:


Hi Karen,

I am in NJ. What is the abbreviation they are using now for video description? 
DVS or DV or a.d.v.? Thanks.

Eileen

From: Karen Lewellen
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

Hi Eileen,
Now, this is just a guess, because I am unsure where you are located.
However the DVD editions of Game of Thrones come out in a set for the
entire season,  One of the DVD options should be the series with the
descriptions.  basically it should work the same as you do this
normally, if the series is in your library I mean.
Hope this helps,
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin
or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and
if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love
comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
Mandela.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Eileen Scrivani wrote:


Iâ€™ve been wanting to watch Game of Throwns on DVD since my sister keeps 
telling me its a really good show. However, I would like to get it on DVD from 
my local public library. So, does anyone know how I can determine if the DVD 
had audio description? I usually listen to these DVDâ€™s on my Mac book using 
DVD player. Iâ€™m not sure what menu to check under to find the DVS option if 
its available.

Thanks.

Eileen

From: Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I
would with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate,
and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love
comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up an 
email list or drop box folder let me know.
Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
Regards.
Nektarios.


On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And where 
are you getting it from?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the
enclosed link was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad

On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio <mabuha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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Re: converting PDF to Word or HTML?

2017-09-05 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
As a reminder, regardless of platform, you can always use the robobraille 
tools.

www.robobraille.org
the e-mail for pdf to things like html and rtf  and word is
conv...@robobraille.org
the service also converts epub items and files to mobi.

Hope this helps,
Karen


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hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


I have heard that adobe reader on the Mac nows reads "tagged" pdf files. I
have not really tried it much myself.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:42 AM Alex Hall  wrote:


Hi all,
What's everyone's favorite way to convert PDF files to HTML, Word, or
other formats on the Mac? I have a friend with textbooks in PDF, but
Preview isn't doing a great job, to no one's surprise. I suggested
converting the files, but realized I'm not sure how. I so rarely need PDF
access that when I do, I just use Voice Dream on iOS and that works out
well. Thanks for any suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-07 Thread Karen Lewellen


So this is stolen property?
I am not sure I understand the no other option idea.
Karen

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hi there.
I understand what you are saying, but I have no alternative or other options 
where I live.
As I said before, some stuff is available from the serotek network.
Other things I am getting from friends. You can also  subscribe to Net flix and 
they also have described content there.

Nektarios.



On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I would 
with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up an 
email list or drop box folder let me know.
Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
Regards.
Nektarios.


On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And where 
are you getting it from?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the enclosed link 
was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad

On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio <mabuha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-07 Thread Karen Lewellen


where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I 
would 
with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.

Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up an 
email list or drop box folder let me know.
Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
Regards.
Nektarios.


On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman  wrote:

Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And where 
are you getting it from?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:

Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the enclosed link 
was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad

On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:

Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-07 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi,
May I ask what we will find here?
following that link takes me to a sendspace mobile page, with no download 
options.

Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Des Delgadillo wrote:


Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:

I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so please reply 
on the list. I have been trying to get into the series but find it very 
confusing without narration.

Eric

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

Hello all!

Sorry for this off topic, I never do it. But, just wanted to know if anybody 
can help me with this. I want to enjoy this TV show in English and audio 
described. Is it possible somehow?

In Spain, we have  the six first seasons audio described in Spanish, but not 
the 7 season.

Thanks for any reply, and if you want, please write in private as this is an 
off topic.

Have a great day!

Best, Daniela.


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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

2017-09-07 Thread Karen Lewellen


Scott,
while  that is indeed an excellent point, there  are a good ten different 
ways  such an exchange might have taken place,..most importantly without 
posting a link to the contents on an entire list of people.  I might add 
that the  person asking the question said nothing about informational 
oppression, they stated that the show is available with Spanish 
descriptions, and  they wanted English.
To be sure, there  is a small chance that game of Thrones is restricted  in a few 
Spanish speaking countries, the nudity might generate as much.
Still, there was no need at all for the link to the contents  appearing 
for everyone, now in the archives as well.
Do not mistake me, I resonate with the dangers of limited cultural 
exposure, echoing your concerns for journalistic freedom for example 
stateside.  yet, an explanation of the reason, supporting our possible 
reasoning, followed by an offer to privately share, while clearly and 
honestly  stating where the description can be obtained legally, in my 
personal  view, would have been better.

Piracy of stolen artistic creations is a crime too.
Kare

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


Karen, technically you’re right but what I think he’s bumping in to is state 
sponsored censorship.  I could be wrong as I’m not exactly sure where the 
poster is from but I know in many countries content is banned and has to be 
spread using technologies that subvert the government controls.  A good example 
where I definitely know this is true is China.  A practical example of this is 
the Big Bang theory.  The show the Big Bang Theory is banned in China, yes 
Sheldon is off limits.;).  So many citizens of China use methods ranging from 
different torrents, VPNs, net news (remember that one), SSH tunnels and more to 
build a bridge to a point in the clear where things are freely available like 
we’re used to in the west.  (For now anyway). Also in these countries many 
copies are ripped and traded not necessarily to steal them although they are 
but because they have no other method for the content and one lesson we never 
seem to learn as a society and species is that markets will always find a way 
and demand will always find a supply.  Whether it’s the absolute idiotic war on 
drugs, that foolish experiment that was repealed by the 21st amendment, or 
censorship a way is always found to fill the demand.  So while I definitely 
don’t support intellectual property theft, I am willing to cut folks in parts 
of the world where they aren’t as free some slack.  Also makes me appreciate 
what I have and where I live.  I think I’m inspired to go put some rounds down 
range, ah if it weren’t so late.;). I do think this is where the poster is 
going though.  Trade at your own risk and make your moral judgements 
accordingly.  I personally buy my content like it sounds like you do because I 
can and want to support the efforts of the artists but it’s easy for me to do 
so.  If I had to hide from Uncle Sam to watch my favorite show I might feel 
differently and have to take different steps.  It’s a big bad world out there.




On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

So this is stolen property?
I am not sure I understand the no other option idea.
Karen

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hi there.
I understand what you are saying, but I have no alternative or other options 
where I live.
As I said before, some stuff is available from the serotek network.
Other things I am getting from friends. You can also  subscribe to Net flix and 
they also have described content there.

Nektarios.



On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

where are you getting this from?
Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I would 
with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hello.
I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
If you want it please contact me off list.
I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set u

Re: getting rid of the annoying Do Not Disturb driving prompt?

2017-09-25 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi guys,
This is just a possibility,
I know nothing about your providers, or the nature of your phones.  Still, 
it  is possible that , for legal reasons, the feature might not be turned 
off.   No matter the presence of the switch.
I say this because some cities are seriously intensifying their distracted 
driving laws.
Apple is kindly treating most users the same here.  If you could turn it 
off, so can  another person, like a driver wanting to avoid the rules.

Perhaps a future idea for apple would be to include an option in the ac 
accessibility settings that  makes the manual  option work.
Just an idea,
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, John JD Denning wrote:


Same here. I had it set to manual and we get a number prompt a day. Very 
annoying. I changed it to the automatic when connected to Bluetooth in the car. 
Since I never connected to anything in my car I wonder if that might work. But 
I wish there was just an off switch.

I’m glad they have this feature. It’s a good feature. For people who drive. If 
I could just tell it I don’t need it. I’d be happy.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2017, at 06:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks Mark. But that is how it is currently set, and I'm still getting the 
prompt.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:18 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Donna,

From within the Do Not Disturb settings area of your phone, set do not disturb 
while driving to manual as opposed to automatic.  This should stop the 
prompting for the feature.

Mark

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Subject: getting rid of the annoying Do Not Disturb driving prompt?

Hi all,

So, since upgrading to IOS 11 this morning, every time I get in the car, the 
next time I wake up my phone, I get that stupid message about turning on Do not 
Disturb while driving.  Given that I am never the driver, I'd really like to 
make that message go away.  Anyone know if this is possible?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

2017-09-27 Thread Karen Lewellen

I am not writing from a place of cynicism.  instead I feel the source 
is more likely  to be preaching to the choir.
why should ubber pay anyone to survey something that  cannot be generalized 
in the first place?
I cannot speak to the app itself, but given how many travel variation's 
are possible  here, that feels more like the nfb getting names and uber 
buying fake pr.

Kare



On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Sorry, when there is money coming from the agency being surveyed, I call into 
question the validity of the survey and whether the answers not wanted go into 
file 13. I guess as I get older, I become more sinical especially when it comes 
to blind agencies.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 27, 2017 10:27 AM
To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog



Also note, that the NFB set up a survey that you can fill out to show the 
results of your trip with UBEr or List.  It asks where you were traveling, 
when, and with whom. It then asks if the driver knew and abided by the 
non-discrimination laws. There is also a question about the accessibility of 
the apps themselves. Of course, NFB gets money from Lift / Uber to certify that 
they are not being discriminatory but none of that rolls down to you for 
actually doing the compliance checks.





On 27 September 2017 at 10:49, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote:

Was this right behind Toronto?
Know idea about uber, but regularly Toronto's taxi association gets complaints 
about this I am told.  So often in fact that they  have a dedicated  contact 
just for them.
Uber is an interesting travel choice regardless, just ask the women who have 
been assaulted by some of their drivers.
The ap should? have an option for notifying, within the system, that a 
passenger comes with extras.  That might  encompass  many things  creating an 
inclusive approach.
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.



On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of 
discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a 
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would 
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their guides.  
Anyway, I am getting off topic.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> ] On 
Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around 
discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone 
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will dismiss 
the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.

When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more 
discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me the 
identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about behaving 
above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they changed their 
policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.

Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have zero-tollerance 
policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any difficulties in either 
country regarding my guide dog and taxis.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +61 488 988 936 <tel:%2B61%20488%20988%20936>
Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Sep 2017, at 06:03, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com 
<mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com> > wrote:

There will be an option on the app to call the driver. I called the driver and 
let him know that I was blind and I had a white cane. He was able to recognize 
me immediately and it kept me from missing my ride. I would recommend that you 
call and let him know your circumstances. Just my opinion.


Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
<mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name> > wrote:

Hi guide dog users,

I am considering using Uber for the first time and am wondering if there is a 
procedu

RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

2017-09-27 Thread Karen Lewellen

Oh neither is mine, I remember when the NFB wanted the state of new York to 
bar   the use of service animals in public buildings...and I do not use a 
dog myself. 
Still, that is all the more reason for uber to incorporate this process 
into the app 
itself.  Or find an objective way to gather this information.

 Kare



On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


I will admit, my opinion of the NFB is not good.  Don't worry, I will not
air dirty laundry.  I just didn't like the way they treated a guide dog user
I knew. Who, had a chapter of the NFB, yet was treated like dirt.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: September 27, 2017 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

I am not writing from a place of cynicism.  instead I feel the source is
more likely  to be preaching to the choir.
why should ubber pay anyone to survey something that  cannot be generalized
in the first place?
I cannot speak to the app itself, but given how many travel variation's are
possible  here, that feels more like the nfb getting names and uber buying
fake pr.
Kare



On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Sorry, when there is money coming from the agency being surveyed, I call

into question the validity of the survey and whether the answers not wanted
go into file 13. I guess as I get older, I become more sinical especially
when it comes to blind agencies.




From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 27, 2017 10:27 AM
To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog



Also note, that the NFB set up a survey that you can fill out to show the

results of your trip with UBEr or List.  It asks where you were traveling,
when, and with whom. It then asks if the driver knew and abided by the
non-discrimination laws. There is also a question about the accessibility of
the apps themselves. Of course, NFB gets money from Lift / Uber to certify
that they are not being discriminatory but none of that rolls down to you
for actually doing the compliance checks.






On 27 September 2017 at 10:49, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net

<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote:


Was this right behind Toronto?
Know idea about uber, but regularly Toronto's taxi association gets

complaints about this I am told.  So often in fact that they  have a
dedicated  contact just for them.

Uber is an interesting travel choice regardless, just ask the women who

have been assaulted by some of their drivers.

The ap should? have an option for notifying, within the system, that a

passenger comes with extras.  That might  encompass  many things  creating
an inclusive approach.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin
or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and
if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love
comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
Mandela.



On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of

discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their
guides.  Anyway, I am getting off topic.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David
Chittenden
Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around

discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will
dismiss the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.


When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more

discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me
the identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about
behaving above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they
changed their policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.


Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have

zero-tollerance policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any
difficulties in either country regarding my guide dog and taxis.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +61 488 988 936 <tel:%2B61%20488%20988%20936>

RE: Siri is still pretty stupid

2017-09-25 Thread Karen Lewellen

Yes the majority of voting Americans did not vote for Trump, with  some of 
the states  being rather tight.  Not so much a winner take all, but 
percentage.
Part of why electronic influences, Facebook, on line voting, the safety of 
and  integrity of the systems are part of what is being reviewed now.
personally I do not  feel the founding fathers ever anticipated  the 
college  would work against the popular vote in this fashion.

Karen



On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Yeah didn't Hillary get 3 million more votes than trump,
Yet he still questioned why she got more votes even though he won the election



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 25 September 2017 10:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Just one thing, the majority of US citizens did not vote him in. Indeed, the 
majority of those who voted even did not vote him in. The electoral college did 
because that's how our system is set up, winner take all in each state. But he 
did not get the most votes. What a system.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2017, at 1:47 PM, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

No insalt was intended and I am sory, if you or him took offense. Naturally, I 
am not going to use this forum to air political views. Just keep in mind 
however, the majority of U S citazens voted him in. Subsequently, if things go 
wrong according to them,they have no one to blame but, themselves.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 24, 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

David,
   Show some class and don't insult Anders over his way of signing his emails. 
We hear enough from Trump who has no class whatsoever and insults everyone and 
every country except Russia. EH?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 9/23/2017 9:57 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
If there had been any Canadians at the school on class at the time, I would 
have never made the comment as I know using the term A means nothing in 
respects to class.  Although, try to hear the term A in Ottawa Ontario.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: September 23, 2017 8:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi,
Actually, I don't believe that Anders was referring to the "eh" euphemism at all, he simply has a / 
followed by the letter A at the end of all of his messages.  Likely has something to do with his name, 
although I'd have to defer that to Anders himself for exact reasons.  I would also beg to differ with respect 
to which class of Canadian uses the "eh" euphemism.  Class itself is a matter of opinion with 
respect to who fits in where, and I've heard Canadians from very well off to not so much use "eh".  
I've even been known to use it myself and I certainly don't place myself in what might be considered lower 
class.  Now, Bob and Doug MacKenzie, or those two mousse in the Brother Bear movie exaggerated its use quite 
well, eh?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2017, at 16:44, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

Oh, BTW, Anders, only low class Canadians say \A.  I can say that being 
Cnadian. Although when I was on class at an American guide dog school, my 
nationality was brought into question as I did not say \A, at any time.  Thus 
my earlier comment.  There were no other Canadians on class with me so, I felt 
I was safe.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: September 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Subject: Re: Siri is still pretty stupid

Hi!
I don’t know what to think really.
SOme Iphone and apple fans, especially one blind guy i have seen on some 
swedish list is really happy about siri.
He could get opening and closing times for a specific store somewhere in sweden.
I can not do the same with google assist in swedish.
But i guess it will come, the sooner the better.
From my perspective siri must have a hearing loss or maybe i have a lisp or 
stuttering and strange voice.
I asked her to play Script from a jester’s tears by Marillion but she played 
something else.
Hmm, my conclusion is that i agree with you.
/A


23 sep. 2017 kl. 17:06 skrev Mary Otten :

One of my pet peeve's about Siri has been that it is absolutely obtuse when you 
asked to

RE: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to switchers

2017-08-25 Thread Karen Lewellen

They do exist in Canada, but I suspect that sweet a deal is not on the 
menu here.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Hell, this is a great sounding package from virgin,

Sir Richard must be rubbing his hands together over this one.

Wonder when we'll get virgins here in NZ!


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 25 August 2017 3:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one 
year for $1' deal to switchers

Doesn't virgin use the Sprint network? That would be a huge downside.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM Ahead of iPhone 8,
Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to
switchers

Virgin Mobile really loves iPhone users . After going iPhone-only back
in June, and offering a really sweet deal to those buying a new phone,
it has now extended the offer to existing iPhone owners switching to the 
carrier.
The carrier says that any iPhone owner who ports their number to
Virgin will be able to get the same 'all you can eat' $1 deal for a full 12 
months .

When you bring your existing iPhone and transfer your phone number to
the "Inner Circle" plan, you will enjoy 12 months of unlimited talk,
text and high-speed data for just $1 on Virgin Mobile's nationwide network.
After the first year, you'll be switched to the company's standard
'unlimited everything' plan, which costs $50 per month. The deal
needn't end there, though: you'll get an additional six months of
service for $1 if you upgrade to a new iPhone.
As we noted before, the usual carrier caveats apply: your data usage
may be 'deprioritized' if you go over 23GB a month, and terminated
altogether if you do a lot of roaming. To qualify, you'll need an
iPhone 5s or later, and the offer is subject to confirmation of compatibility 
with Virgin's network.
Virgin says that the deal is open for a short time, but doesn't
specify a cutoff date.
"At Virgin Mobile, we don't like playing by the rules, even our own,"
said Dow Draper, CEO of Virgin Mobile USA. "Consumers know that the
Inner Circle is the real deal, but many love their current phones or
don't want to upgrade yet. So, now for a short period of time, you can
bring your own iPhone to Virgin Mobile and enjoy everything the Inner
Circle offers - including the savings - $1 for 12 months of service.
It's also a great way to try out the Virgin Mobile network with your own 
iPhone."
It does say that there will be a $25 charge for the SIM from September 29.

Original Article at:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/23/virgin-mobile-usa-1-unlimited-bring-you
r-own-
iphone/


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musescore anyone?

2017-08-27 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
for those using or interested in music notation, I am wondering  if you 
have  considered musescore?

musescore.org
I just learned about it tonight.  there are mac Linux and windows 
editions

Anyone give it a go?

Kare
.



"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

Re: musescore anyone?

2017-08-28 Thread Karen Lewellen


Thanks for that opinion.
actually I intended adding this website,
www.flat.io
Which allows for notation  entirely via browser.
There are apparently ios and android options  there as well.
Given accessible differs from person to person, I intend exploring both 
doors.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Wayne Pearcy wrote:


Hi,

I???ve heard of this before, but to my knowledge it???s not accessible.  I???ll 
check out the website.  Sibelius 5 on windows is the most accessible option for 
music notation at this point.
Best,
Wayne

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RE: Uber App and a Guide Dog

2017-09-27 Thread Karen Lewellen


Was this right behind Toronto?
Know idea about uber, but regularly Toronto's taxi association gets 
complaints about this I am told.  So often in fact that they  have a 
dedicated  contact just for them.
Uber is an interesting travel choice regardless, just ask the women who 
have been assaulted by some of their drivers.
The ap should? have an option for notifying, within the system, that a 
passenger comes with extras.  That might  encompass  many things  creating 
an 
inclusive approach.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, David & his pack of dogs wrote:


Apparently, Washington D C in the U S were the worst offenders of 
discriminatory conduct towards blind handlers and their guides.  There was a 
sting set up and documented on T V I believe about cab drivers that would 
deliberately drive by what they thought were blind persons with their guides.  
Anyway, I am getting off topic.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber App and a Guide Dog

After Uber was sued and lost, they adopted a zero-tollerance policy around 
discrimination of guide dogs. In other words, if the driver abandons someone 
because of a guide dog, place a complaint through the app and Uber will dismiss 
the driver. When it happened to me, Uber gave me a $10 credit.

When I had a guide dog in the US, I experienced significantly more 
discrimination from taxi drivers, and the taxi companies never provided me the 
identifying information so I could progress complaints (talk about behaving 
above the law). Personally, I prefer Uber's response as they changed their 
policies and practices after they lost the lawsuit.

Note: In Australia and New Zealand, the taxi companies have zero-tollerance 
policies regarding guide dogs, so I have not had any difficulties in either 
country regarding my guide dog and taxis.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 27 Sep 2017, at 06:03, Nancy Badger  wrote:

There will be an option on the app to call the driver. I called the driver and 
let him know that I was blind and I had a white cane. He was able to recognize 
me immediately and it kept me from missing my ride. I would recommend that you 
call and let him know your circumstances. Just my opinion.


Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

Hi guide dog users,

I am considering using Uber for the first time and am wondering if there is a 
procedure for notifying them that I have a guide dog so the driver would be 
aware of this before coming to pick me.

Please let me know.

Thx,
Jeff


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a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.

2017-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
I do hope I have the service plan name correctly.
As of December 1, all Canadian mobile providers must unlock phones free of 
charge.  I recently got an  IPhone 5..more to the type, that is tied to 
Bell, and that I 
intend   having unlocked.
Once that is done I want to have an apple genius help me do some things, 
add all the enhanced voices the phone will support for example.
As I have no other functional apple product, and to insure things are done 
well with some backup in person I want to buy the Apple care support 
service.
Can I do this even if I did not buy the phone from Apple directly? My hope 
is that as I acquire the other apple things I desire, like a slightly older 
macbook pro, the care package will extend to those items as well.

Possible?
Kare

RE: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.

2017-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen


Sounds like a fine idea.  Only one way to be sure.
Thanks Simon and Tim.



On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Simon Fogarty wrote:


I can't see why not if you have a valid serial number for the device then 
surely,

Why not ask apple and see what they say?

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Subject: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.

Hi folks,
I do hope I have the service plan name correctly.
As of December 1, all Canadian mobile providers must unlock phones free of 
charge.  I recently got an  IPhone 5..more to the type, that is tied to Bell, 
and that I
intend   having unlocked.
Once that is done I want to have an apple genius help me do some things, add 
all the enhanced voices the phone will support for example.
As I have no other functional apple product, and to insure things are done well 
with some backup in person I want to buy the Apple care support service.
Can I do this even if I did not buy the phone from Apple directly? My hope is 
that as I acquire the other apple things I desire, like a slightly older 
macbook pro, the care package will extend to those items as well.
Possible?
Kare


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Re: Alex, Compact? Is this Correct?

2017-11-14 Thread Karen Lewellen


Tim,
How would a user even know to look there given the label though?  After 
all, as I understand it  the voice quality  on other devices is degrading, 
so  they might think the quality is poor and cannot be fixed.
So, without a clear indicator that activities, which could mean  any 
number 
of things, for example a place to assign voices to certain tasks, actually 
refers to advanced voices, why would anyone check?
Just a thought, but if I had  a mac, I would tell apple accessibility that 
the  label is needlessly confusing...but that is me.

Kare



On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

The "Activities", from the prospective of many, is a mislabelled scroll area.  
In previous versions of MacOS, this area was known as the Additional Voices area, but now 
is labelled as Activities.  Confusing for some, but once you know what is inside that 
Scroll area, then immaterial.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 14, 2017, at 09:11, E.T.  wrote:

 Voiceover Utility, Speech category, Voices tab, Activities scroll area.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/14/2017 8:07 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I think the person was asking for a little bit more direction on how to find 
this activity area, having in fact done the upgrade.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  No secrecy whatsoever. Its a change in High Sierra is all. As such, its not 
intuitive until you work in that area. If you have not upgraded to HS it will 
not matter. Just saying. (smiles)

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 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 11/14/2017 7:45 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
So, why the veil of secrecy about this activities area? If it so on intuitive, 
and frankly I’ve never heard of it, maybe you could explain a little bit about 
it and how to get there. Just saying. Sent from my IPhone

On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

I've compared the compact and high quality versions of Alex and cannot really 
tell a difference, can anyone else tell a difference?
Original message:

Hi E.T.,



Well, I'll say this, the process is certainly not intuitive, at least, not in 
my opinion.



Were it not for your quick reply to my question, I would never have thought to 
look any further than the voice activity table.



To be even more honest, I thought that the label, Alex, Compact, was some kind 
of VoiceOver typo.  I had no idea that Alex had a compact version.  (smile)



Mark



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Subject: Re: Alex, Compact? Is this Correct?



   Glad to hear it, Mark. It seems it takes a lot to get down in there, doesn't 
it?



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com



On 11/13/2017 8:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Hello E.T.,



Okay, got it.  I am downloading it now.



Woo!  What a relief.  (smile)



Mark



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Subject: Re: Alex, Compact? Is this Correct?



You will need to drill deep into the what Apple calls Activities and find 
the enhanced version of Alex and download it.



 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com



On 11/13/2017 7:59 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Hello Everyone,



I made the big plunge and installed High Sierra on my primary partition.
Everything is working well except that Alex sounds a bit strange, kind of.
(smile).



Anyway, upon exploring VoiceOver utility, I noticed that the Alex TTS
is listed as Alex, Compact.  Can this be right?



If there are now two separate Alex voices, how, then, can I obtain
the non-compact version?



All replies welcomed.



Thank you,



Mark




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Iphone 5c question?

2017-11-02 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
I am inheriting  an iphone 5c from a co-worker.
Granted my first major step will be learning  if there is a voiceover in 
Ios  safe voice for me to even use.

still, I am thankful for a chance to experiment with limited investment.
may I ask what Ios edition I can run on this phone?
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

2017-12-10 Thread Karen Lewellen


Tim is correct.
If you desire full uncompressed sound quality, cd and lp is the only way to 
go.   I will add speaking only for myself, I am enough of an audiophile to 
hear   the difference between  the two as well, with music important 
enough to me professionally  to keep my cds and keep buying vinyl.  The 
compressed lesser quality is part of why so much music is being put out on 
LP again the market too can hear the difference.
On line music services aim to  save  space.  that means stripping elements 
away to make  mp3 files.

Just my opinion too,
Kare



On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Angus,

Realize that Amazon Music also compresses it's music files.  Amazon compresses 
music to an high quality mp3 format which according to some does not have as 
good of sound quality as the high quality AAC formatted songs that iTunes uses. 
 So, if you're wanting uncompressed sound quality, then the CD is your only 
option.  I believe that all the services, Google Play, Amazon Cloud Music and 
Apple Music/iTunes Match all digitally compress their music and will also 
digitally compress any music that you upload to their Cloud service.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:41, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

E.T.

Thank you. The compressed music a person gets from iTunes does not excite me. 
CDs as I understand, Give you the actual un compressed file. Is Amazon Music 
easy for a IOS (iPhone and/or iPad) easy to buy? I also have access to an 
Android user.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

2017-12-10 Thread Karen Lewellen


  While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not 
sharing the musical magic with anyone?

Just one interpretation.
Kare


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opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Angus MacKinnon wrote:


I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: Switching voices in High Sierra

2017-10-29 Thread Karen Lewellen


Anne,
May I ask how many voices are default  in High Sierra?
I am in a position to buy just now with finding voice that is safe for me 
physically, a very important factor.

Cheers,
Kare



On Sun, 29 Oct 2017, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello,

Here’s a slightly quicker way of switching voices in High Sierra.
• Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Down Arrow or set a shortcut to do this;
•Type the first few letters of the name of the desired voice;
• Press VO-Space and the new voice should start speaking.

Cheers,

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Re: alternatives to Skype?

2017-10-29 Thread Karen Lewellen


Donna,
Indeed Zoom  provides phone dial in options,  there are numbers in both 
the u.  s. and Canada.

 As others have said, I understand Zoom staff can be quite supportive.
Karen



On Sun, 29 Oct 2017, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:


As a matter of fact yes it does.  Don’t remember it off hand but what happens 
is this.  The caller dials the phone number and punches in the meating ID you 
give them.  That’s all there is to it.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Oct 29, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi David and Ray,

Does Zoom give you the option of having a phone number that people can call?

Thanks very much for the suggestion.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 29, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

I second that for sure.  On the Mac, Zoom is quite accessible as well.  Beats 
Skype all to hell in my opinion.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Oct 29, 2017, at 3:41 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

Zoom is the up-and-coming teleconferencing app. It works on iPhone, Android, 
Windows, and Mac. It is rather accessible with developers who keep 
accessibility in mind during development and updates. Several organisations 
that I communicate or work with use Zoom. I encourage organisations which do 
not use Zoom to change. Amongst other reasons, Zoom is one of the least 
expensive apps, yet has a very robust feature set.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 29 Oct 2017, at 17:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi Donna.

I use Skype less and less and only use Face time and what's app if needs be.
For work I have to use Skype for Business and I do not like it.

On 28 Oct 2017, at 21:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi, all,

I seem to have kinda sorta resolved the voicemail issue in that I was able to 
leave myself one and successfully retrieve it.  This makes me think that 
perhaps the person who thought they had left a voice message had called a wrong 
number.

That said, I've been liking Skype less and less since Microsoft bought it.  
Just curious if anyone is using an alternative app?  If so, what?  I know about 
GoogleVoice, but wonder about its longevity, and also have not been happy with 
the call quality.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Switching voices in High Sierra

2017-10-29 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Anne,
Unfortunately yes.  My French is far from computer use worthy, smiles.
Kare



On Sun, 29 Oct 2017, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Kare,

I’m really not sure how many default voices there are. Are you only talking 
about English?

Cheers,

Anne




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Anne,
May I ask how many voices are default  in High Sierra?
I am in a position to buy just now with finding voice that is safe for me 
physically, a very important factor.
Cheers,
Kare



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Hello,

Here’s a slightly quicker way of switching voices in High Sierra.
• Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Down Arrow or set a shortcut to do this;
•Type the first few letters of the name of the desired voice;
• Press VO-Space and the new voice should start speaking.

Cheers,

Anne



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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


Again you are not thinking about the population the w3c serves here.
may I direct you to,
www.w3c.org/wai
Some articles there  outline the other suggested options.
And again  you  are making some assumptions that do not, even cannot apply 
to everyone impacted by these kinds of tests.

That they can use text messaging at all for example.
I believe I pointed out that the honeypot  method is considered to be  the 
least likely to discriminate.

Still, at the very least  the math slows down the bots, or in theory.



On Fri, 11 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  If you want to register for any reason on a web site, you are going to 
have to provide information. As for supplying phone numbers, I am sure you 
know that when one sets up the text message app, one elects to use phone 
number and/or email address. Just the fact that one accesses the Internet 
opens you up to attack.


  No, what is different about math as opposed to distorted letters and 
numbers? If its true that some bots can use OCR, these captchas are equally 
vulnerable.


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On 5/11/2018 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 honeypot fields


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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-11 Thread Karen Lewellen

The web access initiative arm of w3c leans towards things like math 
problems because  the other types tend to create barriers of some kind. 

From  cognitive to cultural to language  etc.
Honnypots as well, those with fields saying this field intentionally left 
blank, or  please leave this field blank etc.
Speaking  only for myself the ones that involve text messages can present 
access barriers as well.

Kare



On Fri, 11 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site that uses 
the picture captcha for people who sign up.


  We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a code via 
text message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to hacks. He chose to 
use the picture captcha after his site was overwhelmed with bots that created 
thousands of fake accounts. He also mentioned Google Authenticator and Authy. 
Anyone have experience with those?


  Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and numbers and 
more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step verification still but not as 
often. Due ti hearing, I've never tried the audio challenges but understand 
they are no better.


  I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will go away. 
What do you all see coming in the future? I am most interested in the 
accessibility angle.


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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-11 Thread Karen Lewellen

Well you are assuming that the text message itself  used in the two step 
factor  is inclusive.  Second, the risk involved in providing the

 phone number from a privacy standpoint.
The honeypot fields seem to be the most bot proof, although I cannot 
recall at the moment how the math options avoid bot-ishness.

On Fri, 11 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  I have seen the math type a couple times. But if its true (and I think it 
is likely) that bots can do OCR its no better than letters and numbers.

  I do not see using 2 step verification via texts more difficult than 
captchas.

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On 5/11/2018 9:02 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 The web access initiative arm of w3c leans towards things like math
 problems because  the other types tend to create barriers of some kind.
 From  cognitive to cultural to language  etc.
 Honnypots as well, those with fields saying this field intentionally left
 blank, or  please leave this field blank etc.
 Speaking  only for myself the ones that involve text messages can present
 access barriers as well.
 Kare

 On Fri, 11 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

>    I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site that 
>  uses the picture captcha for people who sign up.
> 
>    We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a code 
>  via text message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to hacks. He 
>  chose to use the picture captcha after his site was overwhelmed with 
>  bots that created thousands of fake accounts. He also mentioned Google 
>  Authenticator and Authy. Anyone have experience with those?
> 
>    Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and 
>  numbers and more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step verification 
>  still but not as often. Due ti hearing, I've never tried the audio 
>  challenges but understand they are no better.
> 
>    I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will go 
>  away. What do you all see coming in the future? I am most interested in 
>  the accessibility angle.
> 
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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


Mr. Cohn,
may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point that you 
would call  me out in this thread?

I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of my work.
I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute rooted in 
many factors.
If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do you 
feel justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not paying 
my salary, nor last time I checked living my physical experience?





On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I am not a bot. I 
have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with these not proceeding to the 
more traditional  puzzles. I believe that Karen uses a browser with no ability 
to work with JavaScript, so I am surprised that she would be able to do most 
activities on modern websites that use extensive CSS and JavaScript to allow 
less transfer of information between computers and systems. If you want to be 
fully safe at ensuring access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service 
with the ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis (perhaps with 
a USB dongle with a security certificate). In general security / privacy tools 
don't trust the services needed by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox 
versions have a logo to indicate when accessibility services are enabled with 
instructions that say if you are not using a screen reader or other 
accessibility application and you see this logo you might have an application 
that is a security risk.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site that uses 
the picture captcha for people who sign up.

  We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a code via text 
message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to hacks. He chose to use the 
picture captcha after his site was overwhelmed with bots that created thousands 
of fake accounts. He also mentioned Google Authenticator and Authy. Anyone have 
experience with those?

  Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and numbers and 
more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step verification still but not as 
often. Due ti hearing, I've never tried the audio challenges but understand 
they are no better.

  I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will go away. What 
do you all see coming in the future? I am most interested in the accessibility 
angle.

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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


This is a list of one?
My reply was to Eric's comment,  consider the concept of rule number 6..do 
not   take things so personally.  At least unless unwelcome communications 
sent privately etc. smiles.




On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  Karen, consider the fact that we all want better accessibility. As you 
made clear, you are not me so if you cannot assist me in a forthright manner, 
please do not try so hard.


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On 5/12/2018 8:08 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Consider as well the problem for those who do not read English.
 They are a mess for many, hands down.


 On Sat, 12 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote:

>  hey E.T.,
>  Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind folks (although 
>  we probably notice it far more and far faster). There are some who have 
>  other print related disabilities that would make Captcha solving a 
>  nightmare. There are also those who are colorblind (both the red-green 
>  and the far rarer monochromatic type) and some of the images would not 
>  make any sense.
> 
>  Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became blind and I 
>  know for certain that it would have caused me no end of trouble 
>  (squiggly lines in among other squiggly lines supposedly mimicking 
>  letters would be highly confusing).  So, this problem is not strictly 
>  one that exclusively targets the blind. Like I said upstairs, we just 
>  notice it a lot faster.
> 
>  -eric
> 
>  PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 0386
> 
>  On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
> >    Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take a 
> >  more practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired 
> >  users. Like Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither 
> >  of these will handle what I believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you 
> >  aware of any blind friendly solutions?
> > 
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

> >    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >  Many believe that we have been visited
> >  in the past. What if it were true?
> > 
> >  On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> > >  Mr. Cohn,
> > >  may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point 
> > >  that you would call  me out in this thread?
> > >  I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of my 
> > >  work.
> > >  I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute 
> > >  rooted in many factors.
> > >  If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do 
> > >  you feel justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, 
> > >  not paying my salary, nor last time I checked living my physical 
> > >  experience?
> > > > >  On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> > > > >  <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I am 
> > > > >  not a bot. I have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with 
> > > > >  these not proceeding to the more traditional  puzzles. I 
> > > > >  believe that Karen uses a browser with no ability to work with 
> > > > >  JavaScript, so I am surprised that she would be able to do most 
> > > > >  activities on modern websites that use extensive CSS and 
> > > > >  JavaScript to allow less transfer of information between 
> > > > >  computers and systems. If you want to be fully safe at ensuring 
> > > > >  access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service with the 
> > > > >  ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis 
> > > > >  (perhaps with a USB dongle with a security certificate). In 
> > > > >  general security / privacy tools don't trust the services needed 
> > > > >  by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox versions have a 
> > > > >  logo to indicate when accessibility services are enabled with 
> > > > >  instructions that say if you are not using a screen reader or 
> > > > >  other accessibility application and you see this logo you might 
> > > > >  have an application that is a security risk.
> > > > > 
> > > > >      Best wishes,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Jonathan Cohn
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> 
>

Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen

I am not the person to ask, first because I do not share your seaming 
suggestion that there is a uniform solution for a uniform interchangeable 
group known as blind/ vision impaired. Speaking *only* for myself, I rarely 
encounter situations where there is not a  alternative to the captcha 
avenue.
Further  again from my * own* perspective,  the more energy directed 
towards illustrating why Captcha is a challenge  across the board, with 
questionable security protections, according to some research, the better.

but that is me.

I am not you so would not make suggestions for your  computer needs based 
on my personal experiences.

On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  Mine. I am blind/visually impaired. As such, I need a real solution, mot a 
ton of articles. An all-inclusive approach is a noble concept but does not 
provide immediate solutions.

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On 5/12/2018 4:50 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Blind according to whose definition?
 The reason why I referred you to w3c.wai is so you can find that captcha
 is a problem for everyone.
 Articles like the below.
 CAPTCHA: Inaccessible to Everyone:
 http://www.sitepoint.com/captcha-inaccessible-to-everyone/
 CAPTCHA: How to do it right (ie. don't use CAPTCHA!):
 http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140831232143-25659818-
    captcha-how-to-do-it-right-ie-don-t-use-captcha
 I especially like the research where they hacked recaptch over and over
 again.

 On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

>    Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take a 
>  more practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired users. 
>  Like Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither of these 
>  will handle what I believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you aware of any 
>  blind friendly solutions?
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  Many believe that we have been visited
>  in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>  On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   Mr. Cohn,
> >   may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point 
> >  that you

> >   would call  me out in this thread?
> >   I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of my 
> >  work.
> >   I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute 
> >  rooted in

> >   many factors.
> >   If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do 
> >  you feel
> >   justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not paying 
> >  my

> >   salary, nor last time I checked living my physical experience?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > >   On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> >  <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > >  wrote:
> > > > > >   The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I 
> >  am not a > >  bot. I have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver 
> >  with these not > >  proceeding to the more traditional  puzzles. I 
> >  believe that Karen > >  uses a browser with no ability to work with 
> >  JavaScript, so I am > >  surprised that she would be able to do most 
> >  activities on modern > >  websites that use extensive CSS and 
> >  JavaScript to allow less transfer > >  of information between 
> >  computers and systems. If you want to be fully > >  safe at ensuring 
> >  access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service > >  with the 
> >  ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis > >  (perhaps 
> >  with a USB dongle with a security certificate). In general > 
> > >   security / privacy tools don't trust the services needed by > > 
> >  accessibility. For example, the new Firefox versions have a logo to > 
> > >   indicate when accessibility services are enabled with instructions 
> > > >   that say if you are not using a screen reader or other 
> >  accessibility > >  application and you see this logo you might have 
> >  an application that > >  is a security risk.

> > > > > >       Best wishes,
> > > > > >   Jonathan Cohn
> > > > > > > > > > >   On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T. 
> >  <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >     I've been playing email tag with someone who operates 
> >  a web site > > >  that uses the picture captcha for people who sign 
> >  up.
> > > > > > > >     We talked about the 2-step verification method where 
> >  one gets a > > >  code via text message. He is

Re: OK. Time for some understanding.

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


 Mr. Cohn,
The desire for understanding tends to be expressed prior to assumptions. 
I have no desire nor inclination to satisfy your interest.
I dare say, since the list is where you started, this note was intended for 
there.  I certainly did not express a wish to hear from  you privately.




On Sat, 12 May 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Hello Ms. Lewellen,

I use the Surname here in mirror to your remarks to me on the MacVisionaries 
mailing list.  My memory of your web browser of choice isLynx. I am not aware 
if this is your only browser and if the reason you use it is directly related 
to any disability. I do have the personal view that properly designed ARIA 
widgets that use Javascript to modify the DOM have made my access to complex 
web sites significantly easier.  I used Lynx briefly, but found myself leaning 
more toward using commercial screen readers and standard web browsers as my 
vision decreased and support for IBM's wonderful self voicing web browser 
disappeared.

Perhaps I mistaken about your web browsers of choice or perhaps I have not 
understood why somebody would use Lynx for day to day browsing. A Significant 
number of sites I visit and for that matter the systems I check accessibility 
on professionally do not progressively degrade to a non JavaScript environment 
and while 10 years ago I would often disable JavaScript and Java plugins 
because of security concerns, today current sandboxing technologies boast my 
confidence in the ability of browsers to be more secure.

If you would like to provide feedback to the above thoughts I will consider it 
carefully and use it to help my future design decisions.

Thanks for keeping the fires burning, I know you have done a lot for the 
accessibility community.

Warmly,



Jonathan Cohn

Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


Actually, I addressed Mr. Cohn's statements about me and you continued.
So...


On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:


   Then please do not respond to posts like mine. They are not helpful.

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On 5/12/2018 5:07 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 I am not the person to ask, first because I do not share your seaming
 suggestion that there is a uniform solution for a uniform interchangeable
 group known as blind/ vision impaired. Speaking *only* for myself, I
 rarely encounter situations where there is not a  alternative to the
 captcha avenue.
 Further  again from my * own* perspective,  the more energy directed
 towards illustrating why Captcha is a challenge  across the board, with
 questionable security protections, according to some research, the better.

 but that is me.

 I am not you so would not make suggestions for your  computer needs based
 on my personal experiences.


 On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

>    Mine. I am blind/visually impaired. As such, I need a real solution, 
>  mot a ton of articles. An all-inclusive approach is a noble concept but 
>  does not provide immediate solutions.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  Many believe that we have been visited
>  in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>  On 5/12/2018 4:50 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   Blind according to whose definition?
> >   The reason why I referred you to w3c.wai is so you can find that 
> >  captcha

> >   is a problem for everyone.
> >   Articles like the below.
> >   CAPTCHA: Inaccessible to Everyone:
> >   http://www.sitepoint.com/captcha-inaccessible-to-everyone/
> >   CAPTCHA: How to do it right (ie. don't use CAPTCHA!):
> >   http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140831232143-25659818-
> >      captcha-how-to-do-it-right-ie-don-t-use-captcha
> >   I especially like the research where they hacked recaptch over and 
> >  over

> >   again.
> > 
> > 
> >   On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:
> > 
> > >     Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take 
> >  a >  more practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired 
> >  users. >  Like Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, 
> >  neither of these >  will handle what I believe are known as 
> >  re-Captcha. Are you aware of any >  blind friendly solutions?

> > > >   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >     ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >   Many believe that we have been visited
> > >   in the past. What if it were true?
> > > >   On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > >    Mr. Cohn,
> > > >    may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the 
> > point > >   that you

> > > >    would call  me out in this thread?
> > > >    I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of 
> > my > >   work.
> > > >    I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I 
> > compute > >   rooted in

> > > >    many factors.
> > > >    If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why 
> > do > >   you feel
> > > >    justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not 
> > paying > >   my

> > > >    salary, nor last time I checked living my physical experience?
> > > > > > > > > > > >    On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > 
> >  <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >    The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox 
> >  labeled I > >  am not a > >  bot. I have had luck with JAWS and NVDA 
> >  and VoiceOver > >  with these not > >  proceeding to the more 
> >  traditional  puzzles. I > >  believe that Karen > >  uses a browser 
> >  with no ability to work with > >  JavaScript, so I am > >  surprised 
> >  that she would be able to do most > >  activities on modern > > 
> >  websites that use extensive CSS and > >  JavaScript to allow less 
> >  transfer > >  of information between > >  computers and systems. If 
> >  you want to be fully > >  safe at ensuring > >  access to all, then 
> >  you will need a helpdesk service > >  with the > >  ability to 
> >  disable authenticators on a per account basis > >  (perhaps > >  
> >  with a USB dongle with a security certificate). In general > > > > 
> >  security / privacy tools don't trust the services ne

Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen


Consider as well the problem for those who do not read English.
They are a mess for many, hands down.


On Sat, 12 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote:


hey E.T.,
Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind folks (although we 
probably notice it far more and far faster). There are some who have other 
print related disabilities that would make Captcha solving a nightmare. There 
are also those who are colorblind (both the red-green and the far rarer 
monochromatic type) and some of the images would not make any sense.

Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became blind and I know 
for certain that it would have caused me no end of trouble (squiggly lines in 
among other squiggly lines supposedly mimicking letters would be highly 
confusing).  So, this problem is not strictly one that exclusively targets the 
blind. Like I said upstairs, we just notice it a lot faster.

-eric

PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 0386

On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote:


  Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take a more 
practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired users. Like Captcha 
Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither of these will handle what I 
believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you aware of any blind friendly solutions?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Mr. Cohn,
may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point that you would 
call  me out in this thread?
I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of my work.
I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute rooted in many 
factors.
If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do you feel 
justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not paying my salary, 
nor last time I checked living my physical experience?

On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I am not a bot. I 
have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with these not proceeding to the 
more traditional  puzzles. I believe that Karen uses a browser with no ability 
to work with JavaScript, so I am surprised that she would be able to do most 
activities on modern websites that use extensive CSS and JavaScript to allow 
less transfer of information between computers and systems. If you want to be 
fully safe at ensuring access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service 
with the ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis (perhaps with 
a USB dongle with a security certificate). In general security / privacy tools 
don't trust the services needed by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox 
versions have a logo to indicate when accessibility services are enabled with 
instructions that say if you are not using a screen reader or other 
accessibility application and you see this logo you might have an application 
that is a security risk.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site that uses 
the picture captcha for people who sign up.

  We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a code via text 
message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to hacks. He chose to use the 
picture captcha after his site was overwhelmed with bots that created thousands 
of fake accounts. He also mentioned Google Authenticator and Authy. Anyone have 
experience with those?

  Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and numbers and 
more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step verification still but not as 
often. Due ti hearing, I've never tried the audio challenges but understand 
they are no better.

  I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will go away. What 
do you all see coming in the future? I am most interested in the accessibility 
angle.

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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-12 Thread Karen Lewellen

Blind according to whose definition?
The reason why I referred you to w3c.wai is so you can find that captcha is 
a problem for everyone.

Articles like the below.
CAPTCHA: Inaccessible to Everyone:
http://www.sitepoint.com/captcha-inaccessible-to-everyone/
CAPTCHA: How to do it right (ie. don't use CAPTCHA!):
http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140831232143-25659818-
   captcha-how-to-do-it-right-ie-don-t-use-captcha
I especially like the research where they hacked recaptch over and over 
again.

On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take a more 
practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired users. Like 
Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither of these will 
handle what I believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you aware of any blind 
friendly solutions?

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On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Mr. Cohn,
 may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point that you
 would call  me out in this thread?
 I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of my work.
 I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute rooted in
 many factors.
 If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do you feel
 justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not paying my
 salary, nor last time I checked living my physical experience?

> >  On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I am not a 
> >  bot. I have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with these not 
> >  proceeding to the more traditional  puzzles. I believe that Karen 
> >  uses a browser with no ability to work with JavaScript, so I am 
> >  surprised that she would be able to do most activities on modern 
> >  websites that use extensive CSS and JavaScript to allow less transfer 
> >  of information between computers and systems. If you want to be fully 
> >  safe at ensuring access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service 
> >  with the ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis 
> >  (perhaps with a USB dongle with a security certificate). In general 
> >  security / privacy tools don't trust the services needed by 
> >  accessibility. For example, the new Firefox versions have a logo to 
> >  indicate when accessibility services are enabled with instructions 
> >  that say if you are not using a screen reader or other accessibility 
> >  application and you see this logo you might have an application that 
> >  is a security risk.
> > 
> >      Best wishes,
> > 
> >  Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >  On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >    I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site 
> > >  that uses the picture captcha for people who sign up.
> > > 
> > >    We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a 
> > >  code via text message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to 
> > >  hacks. He chose to use the picture captcha after his site was 
> > >  overwhelmed with bots that created thousands of fake accounts. He 
> > >  also mentioned Google Authenticator and Authy. Anyone have 
> > >  experience with those?
> > > 
> > >    Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and 
> > >  numbers and more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step 
> > >  verification still but not as often. Due ti hearing, I've never 
> > >  tried the audio challenges but understand they are no better.
> > > 
> > >    I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will 
> > >  go away. What do you all see coming in the future? I am most 
> > >  interested in the accessibility angle.
> > > 
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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen

Actually, some mail lists prevent the ability for unsolicited 
communication for  this very reason.
Your being a member of a e-mail list need not translate into open season 
on our e-mail address.
If someone has not asked permission for a private communication, then 
their communication, especially if following  public misinformation about 
me personally,  the case with MR. cohn, means that communication  is mine 
to do with as I wish.

Your millage clearly varies.



On Sun, 13 May 2018, alia robinson wrote:


LOL, this is the funniest thing I have ever read in my life!if you put out your 
email address to a public list you can be contacted by whomever whenever. you 
can choose to respond or not, yes, but just like junkmail at your home you are 
not afforded the ability to pick who contacts you. if your email out there it’s 
out there. if you don’t want anyone to know it get off public lists. you’re 
just like those people on twitter who put out public tweets then complain when 
people respond and say you weren’t talking to them. I for one pray you all take 
this private because it’s ridiculous.
On May 13, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

I am afraid I am clueless as to your meaning.
My e-mail address, much as my home address belongs to me.
Therefore I decide what I will or will not allow in both places, clearly 
contingent on politeness and respect.

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Re: OK. Time for some understanding.

2018-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen


Mr. Cohn,
Did you ask me on list for permission to write me privately before posting 
your  on list misstatements about my computing?

no.
I have no idea if your message was polite or not, I did not read  it since 
it came without respecting  me or my inbox.
Your choosing to send communications without permission, after your on 
list 
behavior meant that the message was mine to do with as I wished..share it 
where  it belonged.
Further I directed here, as I tend to direct in general, individuals to 
the w3c.  their web access initiative  drafts wacg 2.0 etc.  Their take on 
captcha is far more important for those seeking to navigate them than 
anything I  personally choose.  I suggest you consult their varied 
resources if you  wish to understand why I am apposed to them.
 As you still feel  slighted after violating the integrity of my inbox 
with a private 
unsolicited e-mail  after already making public comments, I will not 
expect you, nor ask you to apologize for that.  Had you not wanted your e-mail 
whatever it said shared, then your conduct should have been most different 
indeed in my opinion.
there is nothing further of benefit for this list regarding your efforts, 
and I have zero interest in engaging with you privately based on your 
illustrated lack of respect for me publicly.

I suggest you move on,



On Sun, 13 May 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Karen,

Since we are neither talking Macintosh or low vision access at this point,
the conversation is pretty much off topic. I was trying to understand your
point of view and attempting to ask you to help me appreciate why you have
on multiple times on multiple mailing lists gotten very defensive about the
web practice of using Captcha.


Your forwarding of my fairly polite personal message to the list was I
believe inappropriate, but I will not ask for an apology.

I do apologize for specifically calling you out as somebody who is not a
person who has taken the Apple kool-aid. (Smile ) I do sincerely want to
indicate no harm was intended toward you so I had trouble determining how
to write this on a public forum that is searchable by billions of people.


On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:04 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:


  Mr. Cohn,
The desire for understanding tends to be expressed prior to assumptions.
I have no desire nor inclination to satisfy your interest.
I dare say, since the list is where you started, this note was intended
for
there.  I certainly did not express a wish to hear from  you privately.



On Sat, 12 May 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


  Hello Ms. Lewellen,

I use the Surname here in mirror to your remarks to me on the

MacVisionaries mailing list.  My memory of your web browser of choice
isLynx. I am not aware if this is your only browser and if the reason you
use it is directly related to any disability. I do have the personal view
that properly designed ARIA widgets that use Javascript to modify the DOM
have made my access to complex web sites significantly easier.  I used Lynx
briefly, but found myself leaning more toward using commercial screen
readers and standard web browsers as my vision decreased and support for
IBM's wonderful self voicing web browser disappeared.


Perhaps I mistaken about your web browsers of choice or perhaps I have

not understood why somebody would use Lynx for day to day browsing. A
Significant number of sites I visit and for that matter the systems I check
accessibility on professionally do not progressively degrade to a non
JavaScript environment and while 10 years ago I would often disable
JavaScript and Java plugins because of security concerns, today current
sandboxing technologies boast my confidence in the ability of browsers to
be more secure.


If you would like to provide feedback to the above thoughts I will

consider it carefully and use it to help my future design decisions.


Thanks for keeping the fires burning, I know you have done a lot for the

accessibility community.


Warmly,



Jonathan Cohn







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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen

I am afraid I am clueless as to your meaning.
My e-mail address, much as my home address belongs to me.
Therefore I decide what I will or will not allow in both places, clearly 
contingent on politeness and respect.
Speaking only for myself, such courtesy  where e-mail is concerned  begins 
with a public request to contact privately.
You did not do this.  Nor did mr. Cohn.  In your case, if my further 
fortifying a general thread was an issue for you personally, you need only 
ignore my post and answer  those directly important to your individual 
computing needs.  Since you are continuing to comment I am left to wonder 
just who cannot take whatever is intended.  Offense is a choice one I 
rarely indulge.
I did so in mr. Con's case because he made public statements about my 
computing  which had no baring on the thread, let alone little basics in 
fact...then he presumed I would have  a reason to communicate with him 
privately.  Without asking, and after  assuming in public.
I do not know Mr. Cohn, and would certainly not take such liberties 
were our  situations   reverse.
There is nothing for me to take, and if you have the list in mind, may I 
respectfully suggest you focus on your personal needs, without commenting 
on  what others can  or cannot take privately, otherwise, or whatsoever?

Just a thought,

On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

  Look Karen, we are not here to stir the pot. If you can't take it private, 
too bad but spare the rest of the group. (smiles)

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On 5/12/2018 8:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 This is a list of one?
 My reply was to Eric's comment,  consider the concept of rule number
 6..do not   take things so personally.  At least unless unwelcome
 communications sent privately etc. smiles.

 On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote:

>    Karen, consider the fact that we all want better accessibility. As 
>  you made clear, you are not me so if you cannot assist me in a 
>  forthright manner, please do not try so hard.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

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>  On 5/12/2018 8:08 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   Consider as well the problem for those who do not read English.
> >   They are a mess for many, hands down.
> > 
> > 
> >   On Sat, 12 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote:
> > 
> > >   hey E.T.,
> > >   Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind folks 
> >  (although >  we probably notice it far more and far faster). There 
> >  are some who have >  other print related disabilities that would make 
> >  Captcha solving a >  nightmare. There are also those who are 
> >  colorblind (both the red-green >  and the far rarer monochromatic 
> >  type) and some of the images would not >  make any sense.
> > > >   Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became 
> >  blind and I >  know for certain that it would have caused me no end 
> >  of trouble >  (squiggly lines in among other squiggly lines 
> >  supposedly mimicking >  letters would be highly confusing).  So, 
> >  this problem is not strictly >  one that exclusively targets the 
> >  blind. Like I said upstairs, we just >  notice it a lot faster.

> > > >   -eric
> > > >   PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 
> > > > 0386

> > > >   On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote:
> > > > >     Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's 
> >  take a > >  more practical approach to this issue as blind/visually 
> >  impaired > >  users. Like Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not 
> >  mistaken, neither > >  of these will handle what I believe are known 
> >  as re-Captcha. Are you > >  aware of any blind friendly solutions?

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> > > >     ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > >   Many believe that we have been visited
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> > > > > >   On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > >   Mr. Cohn,
> > > > >   may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the 
> > point > > >   that you would call  me out in this thread?
> > > > >   I make my  living professionally using computers as a part of 
> > my > > >   work.
> > > > >   I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I 
> > compute > > >   rooted in many factors.
> > > > >   If I do not suggest everyone should u

Re: Captchas

2018-05-11 Thread Karen Lewellen

I Imagine  the reference is to the image verification tests some sites use 
instead  of the non graphical intuitive captchas.

Karen



On Fri, 11 May 2018, Phil Halton wrote:


If you mean captures on your Mac, and you have an iPhone, then what I do is to 
use the Be My Eyes app and have a sighted person read the caption for me on 
screen. It’s great.

Sent from my IPhone



On May 11, 2018, at 11:51 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Is anyone using Rumola? How well does it work? What does it cost to use? I 
took a quick look but did not find that information. It probably cannot handle 
the captchas that uses pictures. Is there anything for that type?

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Re: Verification Schemes

2018-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Eric,
That is actually a nifty  idea.  I imagine however the problem here would 
be one   you referenced before I think dyslexia and other problems with the 
alphabet situations.  Likewise those experiencing cognitive uniqueness.

does not mean it would  not be a fun change though.
Karen



On Sun, 13 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote:


the math tests are pretty good. However, one thing I just had an idea on: a 
fill in the blank quote test. take a quote (famous or slightly famous), pull 
out 1 word and put an edit box in it's place. that will generally foil most 
automated crawlers and any human can look up the actual quote and fill in the 
blank (and some of us might even know more than a few of those quotes by heart).

there are plenty of methods out there that can be used and are accessible as 
well.

-eric

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On May 13, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


As Karen has pointed out, the W3C working groups has written a note about these 
systems. The note points out  the following very generally:
1. It can be fairly easy to cir circumnavigate these systems using low cost 
labor or even possibly Machine learning algorithms.
2. Better results can often be had by limiting initial posting policies and by 
using auto spam detection services.
3. Having universal authenticators like facebook or google accounts can help, 
though I expect after recent privacy revelations people are backing down from 
linking diverse account with their Google or Facebook accounts. (Last sentence 
is mine and not a summary of one could obtain from the W3C document).
4. Using two factor systems can help. (We have discussed here some of the 
issues with SMS already)
5. Use logic or math challenges but have enough of them that a bot can't earn 
the entire set
6. In all cases, there should be a way for a person to contact an administrator 
of the system in question if they are unable to answer the challenges.

Karen also mentioned honey pot solutions. These basically are URL that look 
like a authentication page, but only but are not. If you see requests to the 
honey pot site you can briefly blacklist the originating IP address from being 
able to create an account as it is probably a web-crawler or other bot.

The original article I read was here and if you are thinking of implementing 
such services a review of current literature would be recommended.
https://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/

Jonathan Cohn






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Re: Google Accessibility Mailing List?

2018-05-13 Thread Karen Lewellen


Certainly.
Google has an official list.
I believe joining  at least via e-mail is to send a subscribe request to.
accessible+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Others can likely direct you to the web door.  a few of the members here 
are already there as well.

Karen



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Hi all,

As a big fan of this list, I wonder if there’s a similar one for Google 
products? I have a few questions that I’d love to present but don’t want to 
veer this list away from its intended purpose. If anyone can suggest such a 
list, I’d be super appreciative.

Thanks,



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Re: 10 Apple accessibility solutions everyone should know

2018-05-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

terrific piece...although I am still wondering how homekit closes your 
window blinds?

Kare



On Tue, 15 May 2018, dan d. wrote:




https://www.computerworld.com/article/3273107/apple-mac/10-apple-accessibility-solutions-everyone-should-know.html#tk.rss_news

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Re: dictation on the Mac

2018-06-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


I am wondering if the program requires you to train it in some way?
That was certainly the case with other such programs I have encountered.
Kare



On Sat, 23 Jun 2018, Daniel Chavez wrote:


Good day,
I notice that dictation works when it wants. It’s either hit or miss. So it’s 
not just you.

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Re: iPhone Text Message SPAM Alert

2018-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen

I have a friend who tells them he does not have a phone while talking to 
them on the phone smiles.

Kare



On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


That message was really cool. I could have said something similar if they had 
contacted me i.e., I don’t have a computer as yet.

Sent from my iPhone


On 2 Jul 2018, at 8:52 pm, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Wow, they admitted it?  That was bold, they must not have felt he didn’t have 
much to live for, or not been verry bright.

On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Interjecting  some humor here.
I do agree I am surprised anyone would take such contacts seriously these days.
Still, last week, I got a voicemail on my landline informing me of a *serious!* 
and *Dangerous!* security issue on my pc...with a tole free number for me to 
call.
Wishing now that I had recorded both conversations, I phoned back.
Good evening I said, I understand you believe I have a serious security issue 
on my computer.
person, Oh yes that is correct!  Its good you called right away.
Me, most certainly I look forward to your explanation.  You see I use DOS, 
and...click from the other end.
Not taking offense I called back getting another person.
Hi, I said, you left a message claiming my computer has a dangerous security  
issue is that right?
New person, Yes ma'am that's right.
Me, As I use DOS, kindly explain this security issue..he had the good grace to 
laugh.
Me, so you are actually calling people trying to scam them out of something 
aren't you?
Person...well yes ma'am.
Given he was being honest I suggested he find a more  positive way to influence 
the universe told him I was reporting him, got an apology, and we hung up.
Kare



On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Maria Reyes wrote:

I will just say if you get a text like that, log into that account manually. Do 
not open those links.


On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Thanx for sharing this; I’ve never received these, but guess it shouldn’t come 
as a surprise, sense the fakes coming from Apple didn’t work and were being 
reported right and left.
I can’t believe people would think that Apple would text them though, because 
I’ve never known them to do that, nor send out e-mail’s, same with paypal, 
saying “your account has been compromised.
It just amazes me the links people will go to at this point.

On Jul 1, 2018, at 9:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

A list member, Christopher, received a bogus iPhone text message attempting
to acquire his personal credentials.

He requested that I forward his experience along to the list by sharing his
words which you will find below my signature.

A special thanks to Christopher for bringing this to our attention.

Mark

Original Message:

Good morning.

Have you received a text message from ``reminder` informing you your iPhone
ID is due to expire today, with instructions on what to do. If so, don't,
and I mean don't, do it. It is a scam, and the link will be suspicious
looking. Again, don't do it, and instead delete. Since it is not an
iMessage, you cannot report this directly to Apple.

Thank you for reading. And yes, please share this post if you feel you need
to. This is a genuine post, as I've had this very text message. Again, thank
you for reading.


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Re: iPhone Text Message SPAM Alert

2018-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen


I can be a bit intimidating when I wish smiles.
That is why I added the extra about using his time differently, so he 
would know he did have a choice.




On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Jessica Moss wrote:


Wow, they admitted it?  That was bold, they must not have felt he didn’t have 
much to live for, or not been verry bright.

On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Interjecting  some humor here.
I do agree I am surprised anyone would take such contacts seriously these days.
Still, last week, I got a voicemail on my landline informing me of a *serious!* 
and *Dangerous!* security issue on my pc...with a tole free number for me to 
call.
Wishing now that I had recorded both conversations, I phoned back.
Good evening I said, I understand you believe I have a serious security issue 
on my computer.
person, Oh yes that is correct!  Its good you called right away.
Me, most certainly I look forward to your explanation.  You see I use DOS, 
and...click from the other end.
Not taking offense I called back getting another person.
Hi, I said, you left a message claiming my computer has a dangerous security  
issue is that right?
New person, Yes ma'am that's right.
Me, As I use DOS, kindly explain this security issue..he had the good grace to 
laugh.
Me, so you are actually calling people trying to scam them out of something 
aren't you?
Person...well yes ma'am.
Given he was being honest I suggested he find a more  positive way to influence 
the universe told him I was reporting him, got an apology, and we hung up.
Kare


On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Maria Reyes wrote:


I will just say if you get a text like that, log into that account manually. Do 
not open those links.


On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Thanx for sharing this; I’ve never received these, but guess it shouldn’t come 
as a surprise, sense the fakes coming from Apple didn’t work and were being 
reported right and left.
I can’t believe people would think that Apple would text them though, because 
I’ve never known them to do that, nor send out e-mail’s, same with paypal, 
saying “your account has been compromised.
It just amazes me the links people will go to at this point.

On Jul 1, 2018, at 9:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

A list member, Christopher, received a bogus iPhone text message attempting
to acquire his personal credentials.

He requested that I forward his experience along to the list by sharing his
words which you will find below my signature.

A special thanks to Christopher for bringing this to our attention.

Mark

Original Message:

Good morning.

Have you received a text message from ``reminder` informing you your iPhone
ID is due to expire today, with instructions on what to do. If so, don't,
and I mean don't, do it. It is a scam, and the link will be suspicious
looking. Again, don't do it, and instead delete. Since it is not an
iMessage, you cannot report this directly to Apple.

Thank you for reading. And yes, please share this post if you feel you need
to. This is a genuine post, as I've had this very text message. Again, thank
you for reading.


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Re: iPhone Text Message SPAM Alert

2018-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen


Interjecting  some humor here.
I do agree I am surprised anyone would take such contacts seriously these 
days.
Still, last week, I got a voicemail on my landline informing me of a 
*serious!* and *Dangerous!* security issue on my pc...with a tole free 
number for me to call.

Wishing now that I had recorded both conversations, I phoned back.
Good evening I said, I understand you believe I have a serious security 
issue on my computer.

person, Oh yes that is correct!  Its good you called right away.
Me, most certainly I look forward to your explanation.  You see I use DOS, 
and...click from the other end.

Not taking offense I called back getting another person.
Hi, I said, you left a message claiming my computer has a dangerous 
security  issue is that right?

New person, Yes ma'am that's right.
Me, As I use DOS, kindly explain this security issue..he had the good 
grace to laugh.
 Me, so you are actually calling people trying to scam them out of 
something aren't you?

Person...well yes ma'am.
Given he was being honest I suggested he find a more  positive way to 
influence the universe told him I was reporting him, got an apology, and 
we hung up.

Kare


On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Maria Reyes wrote:


I will just say if you get a text like that, log into that account manually. Do 
not open those links.


On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Thanx for sharing this; I’ve never received these, but guess it shouldn’t come 
as a surprise, sense the fakes coming from Apple didn’t work and were being 
reported right and left.
 I can’t believe people would think that Apple would text them though, because 
I’ve never known them to do that, nor send out e-mail’s, same with paypal, 
saying “your account has been compromised.
 It just amazes me the links people will go to at this point.

On Jul 1, 2018, at 9:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

A list member, Christopher, received a bogus iPhone text message attempting
to acquire his personal credentials.

He requested that I forward his experience along to the list by sharing his
words which you will find below my signature.

A special thanks to Christopher for bringing this to our attention.

Mark

Original Message:

Good morning.

Have you received a text message from ``reminder` informing you your iPhone
ID is due to expire today, with instructions on what to do. If so, don't,
and I mean don't, do it. It is a scam, and the link will be suspicious
looking. Again, don't do it, and instead delete. Since it is not an
iMessage, you cannot report this directly to Apple.

Thank you for reading. And yes, please share this post if you feel you need
to. This is a genuine post, as I've had this very text message. Again, thank
you for reading.


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Re: Alternative to Preview for reading PDF documents

2018-07-03 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Paul,
And well as a reminder to everyone else.
robobraille.
www.robobraille.org
Will convert pdf and  many other formats including epub files to a variety 
of things, as well as create 
mobi files.

One need only send the pdf file here,
conv...@robobraille.org
specifying the file type you desire as the subject line, say rtf.
The program returns the converted materials to you swiftly, or tells you 
if there is a problem.

Hope this is helpful,
Kare



On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Paul Hopewell wrote:


Hello,
I am running Mac OS 10.13.5 on my 2017 iMac. IS there a good VO friendly 
alternative to Preview for reading PDF documents? Preview does a poor job with 
tables for my bank statement and the use of multiple fonts in a a Newsletter 
which I regularly read. To make the document acceptable I use the app pdf to 
word. this is OK but it is more work and it would be better if I could just 
read the PDF.
Many thanks for any tips.
Paul Hopewell

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RE: creative Itunes question?

2017-12-26 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Mark,
I am curious,  given windows users do not have an apple Id either,  how do 
they  manage the issue?  by having an ITunes account proper?

Thanks,
Karen



On Tue, 26 Dec 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Karen,

The answer to your question, as you have phrased it, is "no."

However, two options come to mind:

1.
Your friend could send the album to someone you know who has an Apple ID and
that recipient could then burn it for you or (2), your friend can cancel the
purchase and send you a CD of the album purchased from Amazon.

As I see it, in both scenarios your friend will have to take an action to
resolve your dilemma.

Mark

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To: list voiceover
Subject: creative Itunes question?

Hi folks,
Details, as is often the case with me might make things more confusing, so
will   only add more to the question if it is not  clear.
A heart sister of mine got me an ITunes album as a gift.  What I mean is the
note came from ITunes, with the ability to get this album  tied to my
specific e-mail address.
the thing is though, not only do I not use ITunes, I have no apple id at
all, which I realize might not be needful to do the job.
Here is the question, can someone who does have an ITunes presence get the
album for me?
As in go fresh to ITunes, provide my e-mail address and retrieve  the
tracks?  Even if I had ITunes, I would not wish to play it there, meaning
whomever I likely pay to get the materials will be burning a cd and or
sending  me the tracks.  I can play those, not a problem.
steps to a solution?
Thanks,
Kare



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RE: How to keep your phone (and fingers) from freezing this winter, iMore

2018-01-06 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Simon,
As I am having trouble sleeping due to the cold, I thought I would 
research your question.
The short answer  is that the NASA martian rover Curiosity landed on the 
surface in 2012 I believe?  providing a great deal of information 
regarding the weather on Mars.

According to space.com the average is about  minus 55 c.  I can imagine
 Winnipeg Manitoba, where this author is writing from indeed 
gets that cold.
there is information on the NASA site too, cannot be sure I am typing 
well, freezing hands.

www.mars.nassa.gov
Hope that helps some,
Kare



On Sat, 6 Jan 2018, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Ok,
Mark as interrsting and usefull as this article is,
I have one major question about it.

How the hell do they know that the temperature of the city or area of the 
country they live in is colder than the surface temperature of Mars?

Last time I checked earthlings had not yet been to mars,
Ok people have sent robots and other tools,
But still  those devices can not confirm that the temperatures on Mars are 
warmer or colder than that here on earth,

And I can't say I've ever met a martion that has come to earth and said they'd 
come for a warmer break from the cold as temps on the red planet,

When man kind gets to mars may be then I'll believe the statement.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to keep your phone (and fingers) from freezing this winter, iMore

How to keep your phone (and fingers) from freezing this winter By Luke 
Filipowicz, 5 Jan 2018

Although Christmas has come and gone and we are securely into 2018, many of us 
still have to deal with a few months of cold, snowy, and windy weather.
Using your phone outdoors can be tricky - and potentially dangerous - if you 
live in a city that can get colder than the surface of Mars (like I do).
Personal experience is the best experience Yes, I live in a city where it occasionally 
gets colder than the surface of Mars. Winnipeg - "Winterpeg" for the pun 
enthusiasts - has some pretty harsh weather during the winter months, and although we 
locals like to think it make us extra tough, it can really suck to use your phone 
outdoors during the cold months.
Last year, around this time, I was doing some social media work for a local 
minor hockey team and they were having an outdoor game as part of a fundraiser. 
I can't remember exactly how cold it was, but I can tell you I was wearing 
three sweaters, two jackets, three different types of pants, and about 3 pairs 
of socks; I was still cold. As the game was starting, I started snapping 
pictures with my DSLR, sending them to my iPhone, and posting on the teams' 
social media accounts.
Before the first period was even halfway over - less than 10 mins for those 
less sports-inclined folks - my fully charged iPhone 5S was at 10% battery life 
and I had gotten some mild frostbite on my fingers from using my phone.
It sucked.
The sub-zero temperatures aren't only bad news for your hands and fingers, but 
cold is no friend to your device's battery either. In fact, you can do some 
real damage to your iPhone's battery if you try charging it while it's cold. 
Here's a short and sweet guide to keeping your iPhone and hands warm this 
winter.
Protect your battery from the cold
lt;img
src="https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge_wm_brw/public
/field/image/2017/11/outdoor-scene-winter-iphone-8-plus.JPG?itok=JWMWhri8"
width="1600" height="1200" alt="" class="image-xlarge_wm_brw aligncenter 
image-xlarge"gt; Lithium-ion batteries are commonplace in many devices, and they're also the same type of 
battery that your iPhone uses. Without going down a technical rabbit hole, these batteries rely on a chemical reaction to 
produce power and charge; when they get cold, that chemical reaction slows down, causing your battery to perform poorly.
The easiest way to prevent the cold weather from negatively impacting your 
phone's performance is to keep your iPhone as warm as possible. If you plan to 
venture out into the cold this winter with your phone, do your best to keep it 
warm - especially if you're going out for a significant length of time. Try 
putting your phone into an inside coat pocket or under a layer or two to keep 
it nice and toasty when your life takes you into the winter wind!
Apple has a few handy tips for maximizing your battery's performance, and 
recently, the company explained why older iPhones can experience a slow down in 
performance due to cold conditions.
Never charge a cold battery
lt;img
src="https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge_wm_brw/public
/field/image/2017/09/iphone-8-mophie-wireless-charger.jpg?itok=kOr21uLr"
width="1600" height="1200" alt="" class="image-xlarge_wm_brw aligncenter 
image-xlarge"gt; If you do end up leaving your phone in the car one night or spending

Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-04 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want 
to make the effort.

I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.

Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I 
am considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone 
rings my doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text 
message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely 
enough to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect 
its presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I 
am asking for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of 
thing before.

thoughts?
Kare

Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-05 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to 
use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if 
that makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with 
it  calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.

Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Karen Lewellen

Oh no, I carry two other cell phones, one  for each country.  I have no 
intention of using this 
IPhone as my actual cell phone, in fact will find a keyboard for it if I 
can.
I would aim  for the same concept if I had a macbook pro, or an ipad.  a 
device assuming there was a monitoring app, that would send an  alert to 
one  of my actual cell phones.  In truth I could choose a vibration for the 
alert on the phone itself.
the IPhone has more app options, since my cellphones are rather basic, as 
with buttons etc.

 Does that make more sense?



On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Sorry, I'm not sure I follow. You mean a doorbell that would call your regular 
(I'm assuming that's a landline) phone? Where does the iPhone come into the mix?

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On Feb 5, 2018, at 14:23, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.
Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Karen Lewellen


well there are other reasons why I may not manage the doorbell.
1, I run a production company, my flat is several feet above the door and 
also  above a business.
2, as a result there are so many things going on that the doorbell, which 
is on a totally different floor from my flat  may get  lost in 
translation.
3, given there are home environment monitoring programs / services, I 
thought there might  be a simple ios solution,  incorporated  either in a 
large package, or as a single application.
One of our telecommunications companies here rogers provides  a home 
monitoring smart home service as a part of cable for example.
Actually I did not follow why a sensor monitoring the door would fall, nor 
do I follow why wanting something to attract my attention, translates into 
deaf blindness.

 More clear?


On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


OK, reading between the lines here, please correct me.

1. You can not hear the doorbell.
2. You want something that can hear the current doorbell and notify you via 
vibration. You would be happy if it is this iPhone but it does not need to be 
that.

I don't know much about deaf-blind solutions. I wonder if there is anything 
listed at able data?
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Feb 5, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.
Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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RE: What you need to know about unlocked phones vs. locked phones - CNET

2018-02-19 Thread Karen Lewellen


Interesting read.
In Canada, the cRTC  who regulates wireless services among other things 
made it mandatory that mobile providers unlock phones when requested free 
of charge as of December.  further all new models must be sold unlocked.
goal here is for consumers are not stuck waiting to change,  or lose out 
on a smartphone investment they wish to keep just because they move 
elsewhere.

Kare


On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Well that makes me glad I live in NZ,

Pretty much all phones are unlocked
If you do get a locked device it's $30 to unlock it and that's something you 
can do from the time you buy the device,
No time line

I've always got my iPhones from apple directly anyway so they are always 
unlocked.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 18 February 2018 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: What you need to know about unlocked phones vs. locked phones - CNET

Unlocked phones vs. locked phones: Why you should care In this edition of Ask 
Maggie, CNET's Marguerite Reardon breaks down what you need to know about the 
carrier practice of locking phones.
By Marguerite Reardon, February 17, 2018 5:00 AM PST

FAQ

Should you get an unlocked phone?
The US wireless market is more competitive than ever, which is great news for 
consumers who have lots of choices when it comes choosing a service provider.
But one barrier still exists when trying to switch carriers: the locked 
smartphone.

The end of wireless contracts marked a watershed trend for consumers because it 
finally opened the door for them to more easily shop around for alternative 
wireless carriers. But the software locks that carriers put on phones 
restricting its use on other networks still prevent many consumers from having 
total freedom when it comes to choosing a provider.

Now Verizon, the only wireless carrier that sold its phones unlocked out of the 
box, is reversing course. The company said earlier this week it would begin 
locking the phones it sells to consumers for an undetermined period of time, 
which will prevent them from using a SIM card from another carrier.
But Verizon promised it would eventually unlock the device after activation.
The company hasn't said how long that period would be.

Verizon said it's doing this to deter criminals from stealing phones, which are 
often stolen en route to retail stores or from the stores themselves.
Unlocked phones make attractive targets because they can be resold on the black 
market or used overseas with different carriers. That's particularly the case 
for iPhones, which are a top target for thieves because of their high resale 
value.

Because I get so many questions about the difference between locked versus 
unlocked phones and what it means to the average wireless customer, I've put 
together this FAQ for my Ask Maggie readers to summarize the basics.

What's the difference between a locked and unlocked phone?
The difference is that a locked phone has a software code on it that prevents 
you from using it on another network. An unlocked phone either doesn't have the 
software lock on it or someone was able to get a code that unlocks the 
software. Once a device is unlocked, you can pop out the SIM card and put in a 
different SIM and get service.

What's the benefit of having an unlocked phone?
The biggest benefit of having an unlocked phone is that if you want to switch 
wireless operators, you can easily do that. All you have to do is pop in a new 
SIM and sign up for service. There's no need to buy a new phone.
This is great because it lets you shop around for the cheapest service instead 
of being stuck with a particular carrier because you don't want to buy a new 
phone.

This flexibility can also come in handy for people traveling overseas. It's 
usually less expensive to use a local wireless service while traveling abroad. 
And again, you simply pop out the SIM card in your phone and replace it with 
one from a local carrier. And voila! You will have a new local number and it 
will be cheaper to make calls in country and access the internet than if you 
used a US carrier's service that would require roaming on the foreign network.

Does GSM vs CDMA still matter?
Yes, the voice networks of US wireless carriers still use two fundamentally 
different technologies GSM and CDMA. Sprint and Verizon use CDMA, while AT 
and T-Mobile along with most of the rest of the world use GSM.

The good news is that phones are a bit more compatible and portable among 
carriers than they were a few years ago. But phone makers, like Apple, still 
tend to make multiple versions of their phones so you need to know which model 
you're buying before you can know if you can take it to another carrier.
For instance, Apple sells two versions of  the iPhone 7, 7 Plus, 8, 8 Plus and X. 
Unlocked versions of these phones that aren't sold through a carrier are

google home with Ios or mac voices?

2018-02-22 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
I am considering getting google home which a local service suggests can 
access their own home monitoring options.
I asked about the google home voices on the google access list, and not 
getting an answer am asking a comparative question here.
Assuming that google home works with the IPhone, and or the Mac would 
apple voices be  used for the service?
Although in the early stages of testing I have one, Daniel, on my IPhone 5 
that may be safe for my use.

Oh and is he a recent macos voice too?
Thanks,
Karen

RE: google home with Ios or mac voices?

2018-02-23 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi there,
Thanks.
That tells me I must have them demonstrated before I buy.
thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, David Tanner wrote:


Google home has its' own voice.  However, if you are connecting an iPhone to
your Google home via Bluetooth you will hear whatever voice you are using on
the iPhone on your Google Home.

The point being that when you are using the Google assistant the voice will
be hearing is the Google Assistant voice and not one of the iPhone voices.
It needs to be said that the Google Assistant is a very good voice and quite
easy to understand.  So, I seriously doubt that you will be unhappy with the
Google Assistant voice when you are using it.  By the way, when you are
using the Google Assistant on your iPhone you will be hearing one of the
Google Assistant voices, not an iPhone voice.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: list voiceover <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: google home with Ios or mac voices?

Hi all,
I am considering getting google home which a local service suggests can
access their own home monitoring options.
I asked about the google home voices on the google access list, and not
getting an answer am asking a comparative question here.
Assuming that google home works with the IPhone, and or the Mac would apple
voices be  used for the service?
Although in the early stages of testing I have one, Daniel, on my IPhone 5
that may be safe for my use.
Oh and is he a recent macos voice too?
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: From Moderator Mark: I just Want You All To Know

2017-12-25 Thread Karen Lewellen


*sniffs!*
and  a  Merry  Christmas back to you as well.
Kare



On Mon, 25 Dec 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Everyone,

In an age of political correctness, it's gotten so that I'm almost afraid to
wish anyone a Merry Christmas so I'll just say that I hope you all had a
pleasant December 25th and are enjoying your holiday season.

As for me, I had a very pleasant Christmas, this year.

I want you all to know that I found myself thinking about you, today.  Many,
many of your names came to mind as I was enjoying my Christmas dinner;
wondering how your day was going, hoping you were happy, etc.

If it were possible, I would have given all of you a Christmas hug and told
you how greatful I am that you and I are in this world at the same time.

Being visually impaired is never easy even when some days go by more easily
than others.

Be that as it may, I want you to know that it helps me a great deal to know
that I do not struggle with my visual challenges alone; that somewhere out
there, you are with me in spirit.

As I have said on many occasions, we, you and I are brothers and sisters on
this path of accessability exploration and expansion and for that, I am
truly grateful.

Okay, I'll step down off of my proverbial soapbox and return you to your
regularly scheduled email posting (smile).

Your Brother on the Path,

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creative Itunes question?

2017-12-25 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi folks,
Details, as is often the case with me might make things more confusing, so 
will   only add more to the question if it is not  clear.
A heart sister of mine got me an ITunes album as a gift.  What I mean is 
the  note came from ITunes, with the ability to get this album  tied to 
my specific e-mail address.
the thing is though, not only do I not use ITunes, I have no apple id at 
all, which I realize might not be needful to do the job.
Here is the question, can someone who does have an ITunes presence get the 
album for me?
As in go fresh to ITunes, provide my e-mail address and retrieve  the 
tracks?  Even if I had ITunes, I would not wish to play it there, meaning 
whomever I likely pay to get the materials will be burning a cd and or 
sending  me the tracks.  I can play those, not a problem.

steps to a solution?
Thanks,
Kare

RE: creative Itunes question?

2017-12-26 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Mark,
Not a windows  user, but do thank you for answering my question.
I spoke with Apple myself this afternoon.  I have suggested to my friend 
that  she request a refund.
either she will do this, or simply burn the album to cd for me from her 
own  ITunes account.

thanks to you and Johnathan for your wisdom.
Cheers,
Kare



On Tue, 26 Dec 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Karen,

To the contrary, Windows users do, in fact, have Apple IDs.

Windows users simply install iTunes for Windows if they want iTunes for
desktop functionality.

Some Windows screen readers work better with iTunes for Windows, than others
but, iTunes for Windows is definitely screen reader accessible.

For the record, I think most Windows users agree that the NVDA, Non-visual
Desktop Access screen reader works best with iTunes for Windows.

Personally, I use Zoomtext and on occasion, Jaws, with iTunes for Windows
with great success.

Mark


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: creative Itunes question?

Hi Mark,
I am curious,  given windows users do not have an apple Id either,  how do
they  manage the issue?  by having an ITunes account proper?
Thanks,
Karen



On Tue, 26 Dec 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Karen,

The answer to your question, as you have phrased it, is "no."

However, two options come to mind:

1.
Your friend could send the album to someone you know who has an Apple ID

and

that recipient could then burn it for you or (2), your friend can cancel

the

purchase and send you a CD of the album purchased from Amazon.

As I see it, in both scenarios your friend will have to take an action to
resolve your dilemma.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 7:13 PM
To: list voiceover
Subject: creative Itunes question?

Hi folks,
Details, as is often the case with me might make things more confusing, so
will   only add more to the question if it is not  clear.
A heart sister of mine got me an ITunes album as a gift.  What I mean is

the

note came from ITunes, with the ability to get this album  tied to my
specific e-mail address.
the thing is though, not only do I not use ITunes, I have no apple id at
all, which I realize might not be needful to do the job.
Here is the question, can someone who does have an ITunes presence get the
album for me?
As in go fresh to ITunes, provide my e-mail address and retrieve  the
tracks?  Even if I had ITunes, I would not wish to play it there, meaning
whomever I likely pay to get the materials will be burning a cd and or
sending  me the tracks.  I can play those, not a problem.
steps to a solution?
Thanks,
Kare



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Re: From Moderator Mark: Happy New Year, Everyone

2018-01-01 Thread Karen Lewellen

I will add too that for one who claims some concept of Christianity, the
qualifications you included makes me wonder if the words "judge not less
you be not judged." mean anything?

Happy new year to all,
Kare

On Mon, 1 Jan 2018, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Agreed. Sharing with the entire group was unnecessary. Individually with Mark
if you felt it offensive, but

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 1, 2018, at 09:24, E.T. wrote:

Wow Chuck you felt it necessary to share this with the group? Shame on you.

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"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
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On 1/1/2018 7:49 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Happy New year Cara and Mark,
Had to pass this response from "paula craig " that i received from the list this morning! LOL
It would be funny if there wasn't any deep seated Mental health issues paula
craig is dealing with.
Talk soon
Chuck
Begin forwarded message:

*From: *paula craig >
*Date: *January 1, 2018 9:20:03 AM EST
*To: *soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
*Subject: **Re: From Moderator Mark: Happy New Year, Everyone*

donald fucking trump couldn’t grow an economy if he had a fucking roadmap. He
is a fucking bastard, and the only thing he will do is bleed the us dry. oh how
I long for the days of obama. keep your political bullshit off my list asshole.

On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:14 AM, CHUCK REICHEL > wrote:

Happy new year Janet,
The economy here in the USA is finally starting to grow after 8 years of
stagnation!
Lets prosper in 2018 and have more VO access! :)
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Dec 31, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Janet Ingber wrote:

Happy New Year to you.

Thanks so much for all you do and for posting great articles to the list.

Best,
Janet

On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, M. Taylor >
wrote:

Hello All,

A most heartfelt Happy New Year to you.

May 2018 be the best year of your life; bringing with it love, joy, and ever
more accessibility, (smile).

Mark

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Re: Smart refrigerators

2018-08-19 Thread Karen Lewellen


What happened to the request not to post one liners?
further, who  is Charlie?  If you are referencing Brown, my request for 
information, still not honored, is a Linus sort of thing.

Kare



On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


  Good grief Charlie give it a rest already.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/19/2018 12:46 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Perhaps first because there is no generalized "the blind.  and second,
 the question is what the device does that is actually well needful?
 I am not being provocative, just interested.  Especially as you work from
 a generalized, everyone sharing a label benefits equally, dictionary.
 Speaking for myself, I cannot think of a function comparative  for a
 fridge...which is why I asked.

 Kare



 On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>    Think about it some. The smart phone has given the blind more access 
>  to many things, as has the smart TV, the smart thermostat. Why not the 
>  smart fridge?
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  Many believe that we have been visited
>  in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>  On 8/19/2018 11:41 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   ahem,
> >   May I ask what role a smart refrigerator  serves?
> >   I mean its a fridge...so?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > >   Hi,
> > > >   The related app is the way that many of these smart items become 
> > >   somewhat accessible.  Smart scales, smart appliances, WiFi 
> >  thermostats >  etc, the device itself often requires a bit of sighted 
> >  help to set up, >  but if the app is accessible, VO users can usually 
> >  proceed normally from >  there.

> > > >   Later...
> > > >   Tim Kilburn
> > >   Apple Teacher
> > >   (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > >   Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > >   On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg 
> >   >  wrote:

> > > >   Hi!
> > >   I think at least some of these have an app related to it.
> > >   I don’t have a smart refridgirator though.
> > >   I was thinking of bying a smart coffee machine from S.M.A.R.T.
> > >   But i have to test the app with it first.
> > >   /A
> > > > >   17 aug. 2018 kl. 19:34 skrev Jonathan Cohn 
> >   >  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:

> > > > > >   Hello,
> > > > > >   I can’t say I have seen a smart refrigerator in action nor 
> >  have I > >  seen any reviews from any blindness organizations. 
> >  Generally though > >  unlike stoves, I believe most refrigerators are 
> >  plugged in at the > >  showrooms of appliance companies so you should 
> >  have a good chance of > >  trying it out.
> > > > > >   I also recently read a review of  remote control 
> >  thermometers in > >  tidbits.com <http://tidbits.com/> which sounded 
> >  quiet intriguing

> > > > > >   Best Wishes,
> > > > > >   Jonathan .
> > > > >   On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > > 
> >  mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> > 
> > > >   wrote:

> > > > > > > >   Hi all:
> > > > > > > >   My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. 
> >  Anyone have > > >  one? Are the apps accessible?
> > > > > > > >   Sarai D Bucciarelli 
> >  www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli > > > 
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