[MlMt] Thread Toolbar Button
Hi, Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse/keyboard operator for doing what the 'thread' toolbar button does? Double-click or Shift-Double-click brings up the correspondence view. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] possibly unpopular feature request
On 13 Aug 2015, at 11:13, Joe Abley wrote: What are the chances that there could be a configurable option to use Mail.app-style presentation of threads as an alternative to what MailMate currently does? (Note for the record that simply switching back to Mail.app is no longer an option, since MailMate has given me expectations that mail clients should be fast and efficient, should not stall randomly and in particular should not invent thousand-message threads out of unrelated nonsense for fun.) You're not alone. Since being introduced to the Gmail and Mail.app style of threading, I can't go back. :-( I'm 'broken' as well. So currently, I don't have threading enabled in MailMate. I was trying with it, but now work without it and use the 'Thread' option for particular messages when it would be useful to browse a particular thread in threaded view. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate status (All things HTML)
On 10 Aug 2015, at 12:51, Edward Thome wrote: These are working great on my computer running Yosemite. On the computer running El Capitan, every time I start typing the ~~~, I am asked to install Pygments (again). It never seems to recognize that Pygments is installed. For the Math Styling, it doesn’t ask to install anything, but it also doesn’t do anything other than center whatever text has been written. Sounds like El Capitan's new security system. They apparently made changes to further secure system files even when the root user tries to make changes. Could this be the problem? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate status (All things HTML)
On 8 Aug 2015, at 2:59, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I just noticed that every occurrence of various symbols have been prefixed by `\` in my previous email. Look out for that if you use any of the instructions. I've fixed it below to make it easier to copy/paste the instructions. Also, I don't seem to be able to reproduce this problem. I think some of my planned changes might fix it, but it would be nice to know why/how it happens. Let me know if someone spots the trigger. After following the instructions, I tried a piece of code and when putting in the `~~~c++`, a popup appeared saying that I need pygment installed to run the command. I hit the install button, a terminal window popped up and pygment went ahead and installed. It's now working. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Additional info in small email header?
On 3 Aug 2015, at 9:34, Edward Thome wrote: I believe that this will work for what you want: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmHeadersViewMaximum -integer 10` Excellent. Gotta love MailMate for its tweakabilities. :-) I didn't see this one in the hidden preferences part of help or did I miss it? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Additional info in small email header?
On 3 Aug 2015, at 4:58, Luca Allodi wrote: Hi, is it possible to have additional information in the small email header (i.e. the un-expanded one)? In particular, when the header is compressed it would be nice to have something like (requested part in bold): Re: subject from Luca, **to 3 correspondents**, 5 days ago. Can this be done by modifying some conf file? I have a related question. For the expanded header view, is it possible to reduce the number of displayed correspondents before seeing the string `more ...`. I'd personally prefer if only 10 or so were listed, rather than the current 30 correspondents or so. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Can't open messages in some Virtual folders
Hi, I just discovered that the messages in the All Images, All PDF's and Embedded Messages virtual folders viewable only via the preview window which I no longer use by default. I cannot open any of them in a separate window. Can anyone else duplicate this? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Small Markdown to HTML preview
Small Bug: 1. disable the message composer/editor preview 2. start a new message 3. edit, adding some markup. 4. toggle on the preview (⌃⌥⌘P) 5. you shouldn't see any of the text you added present. Even if you changed your signature during the editing process, this will not show up as well. 6. add a new character or simply hit return and all will display in the preview as it should. This doesn't happen when editing a reply. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Change of To: address on replying and sending
If I reply to a yahoogroups message, the To: address looks like the following: 'Jasper Jones' jjo...@goog.gum [test-message] test-mess...@yahoogroups.com Of recently, I think since the last two betas, when I send the message I get an error saying that the recipient address was rejected by the SMTP server because of bad syntax. When I choose to `'edit message'`, I see the following To address: Jasper Jones jjo...@gooo.gum [test-message] The address got munged up somehow. I initially assumed that I must have inadvertently done something while editing so I replied to another message and ensured the To: address was OK. I got the same error after sending, and again, upon re-editing, confirmed the change in address. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Spotlight testing
On 27 Jun 2015, at 11:26, Kai Großjohann wrote: I've done this and I saw one line printed per message indexed, and then it stopped. There was no indication it might have crashed (it came back with a zero exit status), but there was also no indication that it has finished successfully -- the last line printed is a line for a message indexed. The exit status was zero. Is this the expected behavior? Additionally, is this a one-off exercise or do I have to do this intermittently? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Spotlight testing
Hi, After running the command which seemed to go OK, I attempted a spotlight search. However, spotlight would not respond in that I am able to enter a search string but no matches appear. This occurred even for matches elsewhere on the system. Spotlight was not busy indexing either. So I opened Activity Monitor and saw that the mds process was registered as using 100CPU although 100CPU was not really in use when looking at the CPU load realtime monitoring. It seemed that Spotlight had 'partially' crashed. So I killed the mds process which auto-restarted. I could then do spotlight searches again. However, no MailMate matches are showing up. — Curtis acm On 27 Jun 2015, at 9:25, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Hi, I would appreciate if users of the latest test release (hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane) could verify that the Spotlight plugin in MailMate works for all their messages (in particular, does not crash). Enable Spotlight indexing in the General preferences pane and then paste the following in a Terminal window: mdimport -n -d1 -g /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/MailMateSpotlight.mdimporter ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Messages Note that this assumes MailMate is installed in `/Applications/`. (If you have other collections of emails then you can also apply the importer to them.) Thanks in advance. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Dual Mode Layout
On 19 Jun 2015, at 8:11, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Hard to say, I haven't looked into why it's broken yet. The only main issue with it is that for some reason that I'm not yet able to reproduce, switching views leads to cursor ending up in the search field. However, there's a workaround in that I can toggle layouts, i.e., switch to another layout and back to dual mode. The mode starting with a blank screen is bad when unexpected since the user may feel nothing is happening, but once you toggle the views, the blank screen will disappear. Will it continue to be available for use since I've configured my installation to enable it? Yes. Good. I'm in need of way to improve use of screen real estate and this is one of them. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Dual Mode Layout
Hi, Just trying the experimental dual mode layout. Seems to be working fine. However, on initial activation, the MailMate window is blank. Hitting the user configured key to switch from message view to list view brings up the message viewer first, followed by the message list. I'd expect that the message list and mailbox view should come up first on activation of the layout. On hitting the keyboard toggle, then the message view would appear. No blank screen at all. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Folder preferences reset with recent Dev/Beta (at least 5095)
On 11 Jun 2015, at 3:57, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I tried to see if I could reproduce such behavior, but I was unfortunately unsuccessful. Could you write down a series of steps, e.g., involving the Inbox and All Messages and send it to me off list? Thanks in advance. I'm experiencing the same thing but can't seem to get a handle on what's doing it. I just notice that I enter the Inbox for example, to see that the order has switched from ascending to descending. I had to switch back. I'd also see threading enabled in another folder and have to switch back. I'll wait and see if it arises again, though I'm suspecting that it already has. I haven't performed a search before or during any of it. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Dual Mode Layout
On 18 Jun 2015, at 15:48, Ale Muñoz wrote: Check the first message on this thread, it sort of works if you do what it says there : ) I don't know what has happened, but suddenly, in this dual mode, the cursor insists on wanting to be in the search field. When I startup MailMate, the cursor is in the search field. It starts with a blank screen, so I have to hit Esc and then my shortcut to switch views, in my case 'x', before I see a message appear. 'x' again before the message listing appears. The problem now is that if I open a message and then hit p or b to move to the previous message, the cursor ends up in the search field. I have to hit Esc each time to be able to navigate to another message. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Dual Mode Layout
On 18 Jun 2015, at 17:05, Allie Martin wrote: I don't know what has happened, but suddenly, in this dual mode, the cursor insists on wanting to be in the search field. When I startup MailMate, the cursor is in the search field. It starts with a blank screen, so I have to hit Esc and then my shortcut to switch views, in my case 'x', before I see a message appear. 'x' again before the message listing appears. The problem now is that if I open a message and then hit p or b to move to the previous message, the cursor ends up in the search field. I have to hit Esc each time to be able to navigate to another message. A toggle to three pane view and back to dual mode fixed the issue. Now I'm unable to make the issue come back. :-( So there are now two issues to try to reproduce. This one and the one where the column setup goes awry and starts changing order and threaded vs unthreaded views. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Attachments List
The attachments list at the bottom of messages almost always extends beyond the edge of the preview window limit. I have to scroll sideways to be able to use the quicklook and save buttons. Can this list be customised? I'd love to be rid of the part that states the attachment type, for example, the part that says: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessin... — **Curtis** acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate Hanging during PGP sig verification
On May 20, 2015 03:10:19 am GMT-5, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.com wrote: I believe the delay is caused by `gpg2` checking an online server to find a public key. This is configurable (I cannot remember the setting, but you can google it). Ideally, MailMate should handle this in a separate thread. I see. I’ll look at the settings. The thing though is that the hang is really long and I eventually give in and force quit. If I disable verification, read the message and then reopen the message with verification enabled, the hang doesn’t occur. -- Curtis ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MailMate Hanging during PGP sig verification
My message subject pretty much says it. MailMate tends to hang when it tries to open a message with a PGP signature while I have signature verification enabled. Any ideas? I'm currently running the latest build of MailMate, i.e., v1.9 5090 — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Submailbox name format
On 13 May 2015, at 3:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
You can use regexp substitution to do it manually though. I think this
should work:
${#source.path/^mail\///}
It simply tells MailMate to replace any prefixed occurrence
of `mail/` and replace it with nothing.
This does work for me. Thanks!
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[MlMt] Submailbox name format
Hi,
The current Mailbox name format used for submailboxes is:
${#source.path.noinbox}
However, if the mailbox is a sub mailbox of another as most of my
mailboxes are, they show like:
mail/mailbox name
mail/mailbox name
Can the mailbox name format be changed so that only the mailbox name
appears without the parent mailbox as well?
mailbox name
and not
mail/mailbox name
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Re: [MlMt] Preview toggle Keybinding Selector
On 3 May 2015, at 19:36, Sherif Soliman wrote: If there is no keybinding value for that toggle, you could use OS X's keyboard shortcuts for menu items and not involve MailMate keybindings at all. System Preferences - Keyboard - Shortcuts pane. Click on App Shortcuts, then the +, and add two shortcuts for MailMate: Show Message View and Hide Message View https://www.dropbox.com/s/j454zt4xni4x0uj/Screenshot%202015-05-03%2020.30.50.png?dl=0 There is one downside to this approach: you can't have just the letter 'p' as a shortcut. I chose ^P. And you can use that combination for both menu items, so it works well as a toggle. So, ideally you'd use a keybinding if it's available. If not, this is a next-best solution. I'm aware of this solution, but I prefer only the 'p' key so was checking on this. Your input was much appreciated. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Preview toggle Keybinding Selector
Hi, Is there a keybinding selector for toggling the preview message pane? The stock shortcut is a bit too long. I wouldn't mind being able to toggle it with the 'p' key. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Address scheme
Funnily, to stop the problem here I didn't need to do that. Go figure. :-) Curtis Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 21, 2015, at 5:21 AM, Thomas Grundberg tho...@grundberg.se wrote: Is it possible to get rid of this helpfulness? Yes. Look for MmAddressCompletionMailbox here. You would then need to point it at an empty mailbox (I cannot recall if providing a non-existing mailbox works). ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Address scheme
On 16 Apr 2015, at 6:15, Thomas Grundberg wrote: The recipient address looked like this: Firstname Lastname something at gmail.com [listname] listname at yahoogroups.com I've noted this most annoying yahoogroups From name munging system apparently put in place to protect subscriber addresses from spammers. The email was intended for the recipient with the gmail address, but instead went to a Yahoogroup. When I addressed the email, only the first part was visible in the address field, which probably contributed to me not noticing the wrong address. Interesting that only the first part was visible. hmmm. Usually, I see the whole address. But then, I typically send to only one address and only occasionally, to multiple recipients. As I also have a valid address to the same person – Firstname Lastname something at gmail.com – that pops up in the “To” field, I suppose that Mailmate somehow is trying to be helpful by picking up these kind of addresses from previous emails to this and other mailing lists. Yes. But it's not MailMate doing this but your system contacts. You likely have your system contacts syncing with your contacts in your provider address book. Is it possible to get rid of this helpfulness? What I had to do to prevent this was to disable the automatic creation of new contacts for 'unknown' recipients in my email provider address book that syncs with my Mac's contacts.. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Widescreen Layout - A la Postbox
I'd seriously love to see this as well. — Curtis acm On 15 Apr 2015, at 14:46, Chris Jones wrote: Hi Benny et al, Just wondering if it would be feasible to tweak the widescreen layout for more optimal use of space. For example I used to use Postbox and the vertical view would display the message list with information of each message in a stacked view (**From** and **Date** would be on one row and **Subject** would be on the row below it — condensing the width required). This does require an extra bit of vertical space to display a message in the list, however, in my opinion makes for a much more pleasant look. I find I'm constantly resizing the message list pane. For a visual of this, please see the following page and search for **Vertical Thread Pane View** http://www.postbox-inc.com/features Cheers, -Chris___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Should I remove gmail labels completely ?
On 4 Apr 2015, at 6:20, Olivier Martin wrote: Yes I see, I should stop labelling automatically messages that come into my inbox since it will create dups. Duplicates will be created only if you have messages with multiple labels. 'Inbox' is just one label that can be removed from a message once it has another label. Once you're subscribed to the All Mail folder, you'll end up with all messages being duplicated since they'll have at least one other label applied. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Bizarre mailbox counts
Has anyone seen this before? My MailMate seems to be stuck like this since restarts aren't helping. I had it once and restarting got rid of the problem. -- aCurtisM ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Scripting message forward
Hi, My provider says that I can report messages as spam by forwarding the problem message as an attachment to a particular address. Their webmail offering does this through the 'Spam' toolbar button. When you select a message and hit the spam button, the message is forwarded as an attachment to the relevant address and then deleted. Is it possible to create a script that would do this in one swoop within MailMate? Or would I have to install a third party macro tool that would do this? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 28 Feb 2015, at 15:39, Bart Lipman wrote: If I understand correctly (which is always unlikely), I don't think this works. This would pick out emails which have a certain date on them, not all emails in a folder where the folder has a certain date as its name. Or am I misinterpreting? No, you're not misinterpreting. Back to the drawing board. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 28 Feb 2015, at 10:40, Bart Lipman wrote: This is a bit of a tangent but somewhat related. Is there any way to set up a rule that compares the current date to the name of an IMAP folder? The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. So I set up several different IMAP folders, one for each such date, and name them by the date in question. If I could create a smart folder that recognizes that today's date matches the name of the folder and brings those emails in, that would be very useful. I think you could achieve this using the Conditions tab in the Smart Mailbox settings. The main condition would be: Date *is exactly* folder date — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Nervous about integration with my smartphone
On 28 Feb 2015, at 23:10, Sparky Doosan wrote: But all that said, I confess I'm nervous. My experience in the past, maybe it sounds familiar to somebody, is that the mail handling on my local computer will become such a part of normal workflows... using anything else will shortly be entirely unsatisfactory. This should be a reason to go with MailMate rather than not. :-) It will not break your WebMail as an alternative anyway. In the form of a question, do you use both MailMate and also some IMAP thing from your smartphone? I'm not really concerned about a quick check-in on someone else's computer and browser... I just want to integrate my computer and my phone, and don't think MailMate provides a one-stop answer(?). If you've solved this concern please tell me (us) how you did it? I don't know if you're using an Android phone or an iPhone. I find the Android offerings to be superior for email. Be that as it may, I now use an iPhone and find the email clients to have different strengths/weaknesses, with none really doing all the essentials. The main thing to definitely sort out when setting up your Smartphone app to tango with MailMate is to ensure that they use the same Archive, Sent, Junk and Trash folders. While you can manually configure this in MailMate, you may not be able to do so with your Smartphone client. It would be ideal to have MailMate, your Smartphone app and your WebMail use the same folders, but this is not always the case and depends on the configurability of your webmail/smartphone client. The other thing to sort out would be filtering. My WebMail offers good filtering and so does MailMate, provided MailMate is pretty much always running on one of my machines. So whatever filtering I can do using my WebMail interface, I'll do. The other, more sophisticated filtering, I'll do with MailMate and try to keep it running most of the time. After that, it's pretty much downhill from there. Whatever you do in one app will be reflected in the other. Good luck! — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 26 Feb 2015, at 9:48, David O'Donnell wrote: I had set up a Smart Mailbox to filter the messages from my INBOX into a separate folder and created a rule to move messages that were over 14 days old… but at some point in the past couple of months, the rule stopped working. When I tried to edit the rule today, I noticed that there is no comparison operator. So, e.g., the rule now reads “Date Relative” “is” “14 days ago,” when I really want “if relative date is = 14 days ago” since the rule clearly isn’t always getting triggered when a message is moved into the destination mailbox (by another rule attached to the Smart Mailbox). I just did something similar and wonder if it would work that way for you. I would do it the following way: - create a smart folder that scans your inbox. - under 'Conditions' tab, create rules that will further define the messages to include in the Smart Folder. You would need to include one that matches messages to the list, as well as one that restricts the dates. I find the date restrictions are more flexible under the 'Conditions' filtering as opposed to the 'Rules' filtering. What you effectively do is create conditions that will make the Smart Mailbox display only those old messages you wish to move. - under 'Rules', create a rule that moves all messages to where you wish to store the old list messages. Now if there was a way to hide particular Mailboxes, then this would be one to hide since it would be empty all the time. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 24 Feb 2015, at 9:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I have already written down that more functionality should work in the single message window and I've now added a reference to your email to make sure I review it when I get around to make some improvements. I'd be happy to assist in optimizing MailMate to be used without message preview. I rather liked working in that environment but over the years, grew accustomed to message preview because it would be awkward not to. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 21 Feb 2015, at 10:08, Shoshanna Green wrote: When I have a message open in its own window (Widescreen layout with the message list pulled all the way to the right), the Move to Mailbox… command is unavailable (greyed out). This is both odd, since Move to Archive, Move to Junk, and Delete are all still available, and awkward. But I need to have most messages saved in specific folders, not just generically archived, so that I can find them when I'm not using MailMate. Can Move to Mailbox… be made available? (And, huh, Go to Mailbox is also unavailable, though that's less critical in this context.) I see what you mean and agree. The ⌥⌘-T shortcut for moving the message doesn't work either. In my preferred workflow, I'd open a message in a separate window, read it, move it to the appropriate mailbox (or archive or delete it), and the next message in the folder would open (in its separate window) as the moved (or archived or deleted) one disappeared. Next best would be if the moved one remained visible in its existing window, so that I can just hit whatever key I've bound to next message and have it appear. The latter is what happens if I archive a message that's displayed in a separate window. Not only that, but after archiving, I can't navigate to another message using the ⌘-(↑/↓) keys. There are no toolbar buttons either. A lot here seem to love a key-shortcut driven workflow/navigation. I personally do a combination and while reading alone, I tend to use my magic mouse to select messages and scroll. I think (haven't fully investigated) that these all behave as I'd want if I have the message open in a pane of the main window, but honestly I never want to do that, and don't understand the format's popularity. I often want to refer to several messages at once! Plus I use Witch to access windows from the keyboard, so I always want everything in individual windows, not panes or tabs. The popularity I guess is based on one being able to see the message list while viewing message bodies. Also, I personally have grown unaccustomed to using many windows. Horses for courses really, and after doodling, I don't think your type of workflow has been optimised in MailMate. For me, needing to have more than one message open in a window is too infrequent to justify an always-separate message-view-window approach to my workflow. If I need to open a message in a separate window, I just do so on the few occasions when needed. However, if I needed to do this frequently, then yes, I'd certainly adopt your approach as I had done back in the days of PMMail on OS/2 Warp - there's an example of optimisation for separate window message view/navigation . and would you believe that it's [still being developed for OS/2](http://pmmail.os2voice.org/index.php?title=PMMail_for_OS/2)??? ;) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Applying Rules
On February 20, 2015 03:23:27 pm GMT-5, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.com wrote: This menu item is currently very limited. It only applies the rules of the current mailbox to the selected messages in the current mailbox. You'll need to hit ⌘A first to apply to all messages. OK. I can confirm that this works. Makes for some nice rearranging. The nice thing about the SmartMailboxes, is that you can have a single filter work on messages from different source accounts and easily filter messages from one source account mailbox to another. -- Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Applying Rules
If I right click on a mailbox/folder and select 'Apply Rules', shouldn't the rules defined by applied to all messages within the folder? I don't see this happening. Or am I misunderstanding what the 'apply rules' feature mean? — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 19 Feb 2015, at 23:10, David Morrison wrote: The way e-mail is going nowadays, it needs to be able to be accessed on whatever device you are currently using. Not only that, but the configuration etc. would need to be synchronised across devices. WebMail offers this and now it's being demanded for client apps. If I use features only Mailmate supports, it will require me to only access my e-mail from the computer with Mailmate. Can't get too comfy with MailMate! :) While this will suit a lot of people, the vast majority are wanting the flexibility of accessing their mail from computer, phone, tablet, web browser, kiosk, etc. I'm one of those, but I'm now warming up to different strengths, advantages and experiences when accessing from these different sources. However, having to configure on one machine and then another is something I wish to only remember. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 9:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. I've always wondered about that feature. :) How do you deal with list messages where a duplicate is sent back to you? Do you disable that feature on the mail server if you can? Or do you simply tolerate the duplications? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Server unavailable
Hi, If an source comes up with mailboxes as 'unavailable', what does this mean? One of my accounts has all the mailboxes as 'unavailable'. I connect to the account using my iPhone just fine. The activity viewer isn't at all 'verbose' on the matter so I have no idea what's happening. Any logs that I can check? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 18:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: How does this play out for mail threading? Not sure what you mean? It would be equivalent to selecting both the Inbox and “Sent Messages” if you want to try it out. Reference headers are included in Sent messages prior to them being sent, so threading will be fine. I just set things up for myself. I didn't wish for List messages to be placed in my Inbox or so I filtered all messages whose To: headers do not contain any of my subscribed mailing list addresses and it seems fine. I may refine things further. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] spacebar: scroll message, or toggle headers?
On 16 Feb 2015, at 2:40, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Sorry if this turned into an explanation of how it works instead of how it is supposed to be used :-) (Since I have just implemented this feature I do not claim it works exactly as explained above, but let me know if it doesn't.) Once I realised what you meant by 'identity', it all became clear. It's indeed, a potentially useful feature for sure, especially if I wish to put sent emails among my received. :) Two things: - Now that we have a 'correspondent' column, shouldn't the 'From' column always be made removable? ATM, I can disable the 'From' column only in the 'Sent' smart folder. - I don't know if you're subscribed to any yahoogroups mailing lists. They alter the From address of messages to look like this *'My Name' myemailaddress [groupname] groupn...@yahoogroups.com* As you can see, the 'identity' is no longer the specified 'From' address. Is there a way to get around this, i.e., using a different header that isn't prone to being mangled? Or using a header over-ride in case there isn't a match with one header. I see an X-Original-From header in these messages. I don't know if it's a standard optional header or one created by the YahooGroups listserv. — a Curtis m ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Integrate all email addresses for each contact in Apple's Contacts
On 16 Feb 2015, at 11:03, Jose Antonio M M wrote: Congratulations for devoloping the best email app for Mac. I have to chime in here and agree with you here. I've grown to be really fond of this app and it's only getting better. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] spacebar: scroll message, or toggle headers?
On 16 Feb 2015, at 19:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Something isn't right If I select the your statement 'That's just horrible' as well as the rest of the message including the quoted block, it appears in the editor as a single block of quoted text. However, if I simply hit reply, all is well. I don't know what's happening but the quoting only selected text behaviour is strange. I've seen this before but not often and I'm not sure what triggers it. Maybe you're already aware of it. Additionally, quoted text is being quite severely wrapped, i.e., at about 40 or so characters. That's just horrible. I guess they try to match the frightingly buggy Yahoo IMAP server. :) Thank goodness I don't have to do IMAP with Yahoo. Yes, the `X-Original-From` header could be a solution. Currently you cannot apply Identity/Correspondent to this header though. I can change that, but the Correspondent column does not use the header either. You can change that yourself, but it might be a bit tricky. Let me fix `X-Original-From` first. Thanks. Patiently waiting. :) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] spacebar: scroll message, or toggle headers?
On 16 Feb 2015, at 21:06, Allie Martin wrote: I don't know what's happening but the quoting only selected text behaviour is strange. I've seen this before but not often and I'm not sure what triggers it. Maybe you're already aware of it. It happens when there's Markdown elements within the text somewhere. If there's only plain text, then the quoting is fine. Additionally, quoted text is being quite severely wrapped, i.e., at about 40 or so characters. OK. Formatting looks strange in the editor, but comes out fine on the other end. :) I should keep my eyes on the preview pane below. :) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] spacebar: scroll message, or toggle headers?
On 16 Feb 2015, at 14:43, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: It is locked as long as you use it as outline column. You can change that in the context menu (i.e. to Correspondent) and then From can be removed since Correspondent is now used as the outline. /max Understood and implemented. Thanks!! — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] spacebar: scroll message, or toggle headers?
On 15 Feb 2015, at 15:06, Shoshanna Green wrote: I'm currently trying out MailMate; though I can't switch to it until it has a correspondent column, I'm wondering what I'm missing here. :) I've found useful features by simple exploration. However, the help is not being very helpful on exactly what a 'correspondent' is in the context of received messages or threads. — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5056) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How do I find out what Smart Folders a message can be found in?
On 12 Feb 2015, at 13:26, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: Is there a way to see what Smart Folders a message can be found in without opening each folder and looking for it in its list of messages? In Apple Contacts you can select a contact and then press the option button and the groups a contact is part of will temporarily turn blue and bold in the list of groups on the left of the window. Interesting. Immediately, what I thought about was including a column in the list view for the source smart folder or something like that (there are already columns for source account and source mailbox). Then one could include that column in the list and then perform a search, or just use the 'correspondence' button with a message from the relevant sender selected. — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5055) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How do I find out what Smart Folders a message can be found in?
On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:47, Allie Martin wrote: Interesting. Immediately, what I thought about was including a column in the list view for the source smart folder or something like that (there are already columns for source account and source mailbox). Then one could include that column in the list and then perform a search, or just use the 'correspondence' button with a message from the relevant sender selected. Scratch that. I now see where it wouldn't work. All mail will list only a single instance of each message and not a listing for each appearance within a smart folder listing. — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5055) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
On 6 Feb 2015, at 5:49, Kai Großjohann wrote: It's awesome! It's really awesome! Proposal, though: I use an extension of gmail keys, and this means I use plain letters a lot. But after hitting Enter in the quick search field, the field retains focus and thus all plain letters overtype the previous search. I can do `tab` to move out of the search field, then `g g` (one of my bindings) to move to the message list. But aren't you indicating a disadvantage of using plain letter keybindings? I can't think of why the focus should not remain in the search field after hitting enter. Where should it go? In the message list? What if you're not happy with what you see listed and immediately wish to type a different string? That happens to me all the time. I love plain letter keybindings as well, BTW ... and try using them first before the others. :) — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5047) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
On 6 Feb 2015, at 8:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: * string searches are not being applied to quoted text since my reply would now contain the search string in quoted text. That is correct. In your release notes, you used the term 'body'. Does this mean all message body excluding quoted text? Yes. You can currently use `q` to explicitly search quoted text. Thanks — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5051) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Air ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
On 5 Feb 2015, at 17:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: You can use `searchAllMessages:`. Holding down ⌥ when hitting enter is the only way to do a current mailbox search with the toolbar search field. Does the search update each time you hit enter for the same string? The reason I ask is that I searched for a message that I wanted to review and perhaps reply to. I quickly located it with search string 'gmc'. I replied to the message and then did the search again. My reply did not appear. In my opinion, this means one of two things: - string searches are not being applied to quoted text since my reply would now contain the search string in quoted text. - the search results are cached and the cached results are referred to unless a defined period of time has passed or a new search is forced. In your release notes, you used the term 'body'. Does this mean all message body excluding quoted text? — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5051) on Mac OS X v10.10.2 MacBook Air ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Resizing inline images
On 30 Jan 2015, at 7:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Is there any way to resize inline images? No, that has to be done before attaching. I had created a script for this using Automator once. Not for inline images but for another purpose. What I ended up with was a service menu option to resize the image and save it in a particular format. It was a LOT quicker than opening the image in an editor and manually resizing each time. It could also do it with multiple images on the fly as well. I haven't used Automator in a while, so I don't even know if the workflow is exportable so that I could share it. Hopefully, that could provide a stopgap or ease the current potential tedium Esteban? — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5035) on Mac OS X v10.10.1 MacBook Air ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
On 29 Jan 2015, at 17:04, Matthew Cawood wrote: I wasn't clear - I meant the blue bar that drops down during search. All I'd like is for the [–] button to be on the left-hand side - but then if no-one else has asked for it, moving it will probably just cause confusion. All similar dialogs have the same layout where those buttons are concerned, i.e., the thread/correspondence bar, as well as the properties dialog for smart folders. — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5035) on Mac OS X v10.10.1 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
On 29 Jan 2015, at 17:40, Kai Großjohann wrote: But do we really need _that much_ space? Ah... I see where consistency of appearance and location of objects doesn't always work out. :) — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5035) on Mac OS X v10.10.1 MacBook Pro Retina ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Bug that's tough to replicate: ddoouubbllee..
On 22 Jan 2015, at 21:18, David Green wrote: +1 on move windows (for week or two but not always) It happened to me while doing a search as well. I was doing multiple searches when it happened. I was also using a wireless keyboard and wondered if that had something to do with it. I don't use a wireless keyboard at home and never encountered the issue there. I now realise that it may not have anything to do with a wireless keyboard. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Signatures and variables
Is MailMate able to use any variables when creating signatures? — Curtis Running MailMate v1.8(5035) on Mac OS X v10.10.1 MacBook Air ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Pending Message - Manual send behaviour
Hi, I create a message and send. There's an error in sending; usually something to do with the sending server not responding. I hit retry and it ends up with a 'pending ' status. If I context click and hit send, the message appears in the editor. I then hit 'send' and it's sent. However, there's still a copy pending which I have to manually delete or else two copies will be sent. Again, this does not happen unless you're having the occasional issue with your SMTP server/s that leads to your having to attempt sending again. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Context Menu Sharing option not working
On 9 Jan 2015, at 5:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I would be surprised if it worked for anyone, because I haven't implemented a Share extension. I hadn't even read the documentation for this to be honest (I have now). OK. I don't know why the MailMate icon is in this menu at all, but it appears to be a side-effect of having MailMate chosen as the default email client. I can probably create a share extension with the same functionality, but it's not a high priority right now. Note that the “Services ▸ New Email with Attachment” menu item is provided by MailMate and it should still work. It's not really a problem. It's the first I've even tried to do what I did. I was just wondering if it was a bug. But if it's not a feature, then I'm personally not really missing it. :) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Context Menu Sharing option not working
Whenever I ctrl click on a file and select Mail from the sharing submenu, nothing happens. MailMate's icon is there for 'Mail' indicating the appropriate association. Anyone else having this happen? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to insert attached images within composed text
On 5 Jan 2015, at 10:00, Allie Martin wrote: Had some crashing with r5032 while trying to compose and send this message. I had to redo the message copying and pasting the content. The tab before the syntax was not included. Here's the syntax I think that I should be using to get an attached image displayed within the composed text.  — Curtis acm___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] How to insert attached images within composed text
I just saw a message from Olivier with a captured image inserted within his text. I looked at his raw message source to see if I could glean the syntax for this. From this, it would seem that the syntax is:  My first challenge was how to discover the message id for the message I was composing. I found that I could display the raw source for the message in the WYSIWYG preview and from this copy the message id. I then attached the image. However, the image is not displayed inline. What is it that I'm doing wrong? Another thing: When the preview pane is displaying the raw message, once I start entering text in the compose pane, the raw message source disappears from view. — Curtis acm___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Draft saving
On 5 Jan 2015, at 16:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: However, even if I were to force a draft-save myself, shouldn't there be a way to delete drafts that are force-saved, more efficiently? I'm not sure that would be needed very often. With some thought on it, I agree. You may be right about this. This could be done by including a 'delete saved draft' toggle switch on the popup window that appears on exiting a compose window? In that way, the draft will disappear pretty much as it does when sending the message. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. I'm not quite convinced that it wouldn't be sufficient to fix the “forced saves”. I think a lot of the messages that I abort composing, rather than postpone for later, would not have had me force saving a drafts. :) For those that I'd explicitly save a draft, which is only occasional, I'd not mind having to manually delete the draft after exiting the compose window. Additionally, those would be messages that I do intend to send and the draft would be auto-deleted on sending anyway. So yes, the fix would be to not force save drafts automatically as a behaviour that cannot be disabled. Leave that the forced saving to the user. I'm not sure why a change of message structure suddenly makes it more important than it was before such a change was introduced. :) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Draft saving
I've noticed that when composing a message without any Markdown, it is not saved as a draft while composing. I'd be composing for long periods and this would continue to be the case. It's only when I add Markdown text that the draft begins to be saved while composing. To reproduce what I'm saying: Create a new message and start typing plain text. Type for a couple minutes. Now add Markdown stuff such as a italicised word. As soon as you complete the Markdown entry, you see the draft saved. *Reproduced* on entering this markdown'd word. — Curtis acm___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to insert attached images within composed text
On 5 Jan 2015, at 10:34, Matt Gray wrote: I use drag-and-drop to insert attached images in a Markdown message (with rendering an HTML part enabled). Dragging and dropping the image file into the text editing pane where I want to insert the image both attaches the image and creates a correct reference to it. Thanks. I tried this and it works. What's interesting is the message id that's in the reference. Where does that come from? It's different from the message id assigned to the message being composed. You can see the message's id by hitting ⌥⌘U and looking at the source in the preview window. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Draft saving
On 5 Jan 2015, at 15:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Actually, drafts are always autosaved regularly in the background without changing the saved state of the message. Ideally, the saved state should only change when the user explicitly saves the message, but for technical reasons I'm currently forcing such a save whenever the “structure” of the message changes. This happens, for example, when Markdown to HTML generation is needed. Let me know if this does not explain what you see. I don't see how this explains I have to manually delete from my drafts folder, drafts that have been saved after I've opted out of composing them only when Markdown syntax is in the message. IOW's, if I compose a message without Markdown syntax, I see no indication of a draft being saved in the drafts folder. If I opt out of composing by exiting the window and selecting 'Don't save' that's all I need to do. There is no remaining draft version to delete from the draft folder. However, if I do the same with Markdown syntax within the message, I have to do the manual delete every time. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Draft saving
On 5 Jan 2015, at 15:55, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I probably wasn't clear about this: I consider it a badly implemented feature (or even a bug) that MailMate is currently forcing a save when the structure of a message changes. (It's just one of those things I've been postponing to fix for a long time.) It's becoming clearer now. However, even if I were to force a draft-save myself, shouldn't there be a way to delete drafts that are force-saved, more efficiently? This could be done by including a 'delete saved draft' toggle switch on the popup window that appears on exiting a compose window? In that way, the draft will disappear pretty much as it does when sending the message. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
