MD: Anti shock
Ok, well I know this has been discussed in the past, but it's never been clear to me. I have an MZR-700 with G-shock (40 seconds?) of Anti shock. Anyway, while playing, the unit stops spinning the disc, presumably to save power, and spins up again. My question is, when it stops spinning the disc, is it reading off the buffer memory? If so, wouldn't that drop the 40 second rate? Thanks. -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Minidiscs
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, las wrote: [...] The timing of the release of MDs in the US was all wrong. Japan is very receptive to new things. The US is much more resistant to change. Look how long vinyl records lasted. it probably helps making CDs last that most people in the US are getting around in their big roomy cars and not commuting in busses and trains and such. I know that I've been using MDs much more in Europe than in California for that particular reason. - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Archive: Cd-rw faq?
Thanks, just what I was looking for! Gerard Naude E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: RE: Future of MD
Hmmm, come to think of it: To flip a disc over to get 500 MB isn't so hot. SDMI, ugh. IF ONLY Sony/Sharp would make MD devices that could take the 650 MB discs, and maybe give MD recorders data transfer capability? Now THAT would be hot. Imagine: Throw like 2 hours of music onto it, a few photos, maybe a small game, and some data files you need, all on one convenient disc/recorder. Drool. Gerard Naude E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Minidisc on ciao
Hi, don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I found several reviews etc on Minidisc at http://www.uk.ciao.com/ciao.php?Pid=1,2,23,533xid=5c43f9dfbb5e53105a7052066 1d0065b -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Minidiscs
Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: it probably helps making CDs last that most people in the US are getting around in their big roomy cars and not commuting in busses and trains and such. I know that I've been using MDs much more in Europe than in California for that particular reason. That's a very good point. With in dash players being readily available the CD is just about the perfect thing in a car. While the CDs are a little on the large size, without their jewel box, in a wallet, they are convenient enough to use in the car. But if you are going to be taking long trips on busses and trains as is the case in Japan, having to carry around CDs becomes inconvenient. Even the players are a little too big. Especially compared to some of the MD portables that are available. When I was in MD sales the owner of the company told me that CDs were very expensive in Japan. I guess that renting CDs and copying them to MD is a very popular way to go in Japan. Don't people realize that many public libraries let you borrow CDs! You can borrow a CD and copy it on to a mini disc just for the price of the blank. I don't want to get into the legal issues. With MP3s being shared on the net, it is just a matter of time before the recording industry is going to have to work out some agreement. Napster may have lost the battle but free MP3s aren't simply going to disappear. People have been getting free music off of the radio for years. The recording industry is just going to have to realize that to some extent the internet is the new radio. They are going to have to work out some sort of royalties arrangement like they have with the radio stations. The other day one of the fine young list members gave me a new site to replace Napster. There were almost 200,000 people sharing files when I went on the other day. I only had time to look for and download a couple of songs, but I had no trouble finding the titles. Don't sell minidisc short. They are too popular outside of the US and have a small but well established cult of followers even in the states. To some degree I think that MD will continue to exist even in the US for years to come. Sony hasn't abandoned the medium. They are still working on developments. LPMD isn't that old. And they are offering a select number of models for the US market. I am still stupid and loyal enough to believe that MD may actually rise up somewhat. I think that a major mistake Sony made was bragging about ATRAC. If the average person didn't hear the work compression, they would net hear a difference between a CD and it's MD copy. People like MP3 because it's free. They don't even think about compression. They just think of it as a computer standard for storing music. Until you can get 75 to 80 minutes of solid state storage for $2 or less, static RAM is never going to be a realistic way of creating a music collection (although I have to say that if the price were right, it would have it over MD in 2 areas: 1-You don't have to worry about vibrations and movement, 2-There are no mechanical parts to break down. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: RE: Future of MD
Gerard Naude wrote: Hmmm, come to think of it: To flip a disc over to get 500 MB isn't so hot. SDMI, ugh. IF ONLY Sony/Sharp would make MD devices that could take the 650 MB discs, and maybe give MD recorders data transfer capability? Now THAT would be hot. Imagine: Throw like 2 hours of music onto it, a few photos, maybe a small game, and some data files you need, all on one convenient disc/recorder. Drool. It seems to me that the problem with that would be that you would have to be looking at some kind of DVD-MD to accomplish that. They would also have to do something about transfer speeds. DATA MDs are very slow. Since a DVD player can ready regular CDs, a DVD-MD player should have no problem with standard MDs. This might actually make a lot more sense than solid state if only because I can't see how you can get the price of solid state storage down low enough. I was talking to one of the engineers from what used to be RCA's solid state plant where I live. He told me that they could make any kind of chips with the equipment they have, but memory chips would have to be sold to the manufacture for to low a price. They would much rather make LSICs where there is a decent profit per chip. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD Labels
Hi everyone. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good source for good minidisc labels. I had previously used the minidisc labels at www.neato.com , but I had a problem with the small spine labels peeling off very easily. Anyone know of anymore that are of better quality? I'm hoping to be able to print them from my inkjet printer. Thanks. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: spine labels
This is another question, rather than a response. Are the very thin spine labels actually to be put on the MD itself? I'd always assumed that they were for the case, until I got one of those 5 MDs in a single case packs, which still had the thin spine labels included. I have horrible visions of the label catching on something inside the deck. Is this unlikely? Thanks, Ken - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
las wrote: At $300.00 you really, really, really have to be into listening with earbuds big time! You can buy a pair of Sony Glasstron TV glasses on eBay for that kind of money. The ear buds included with the glasstron are on the big side, but have decent sound and you get to view video on a virtual 52 screen. I guess it comes down to what's important to you and what value you place on it. It's not that I'm into listening with earbuds, I'm into listening to high quality, and getting rid of ambient noise. It also doesn't hurt that their appearance is subtle. Besides, I worship Audiocles, the ancient God of Audio. I've never been a visual person anyway. And I have to laugh at the '52 virtual screen' I tried some of those, and to me it just seemed like you were looking at a really small screen really close up. -steve - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... All MD units sold today are Sharp, Sony, or rebadged Sharp or Sony. Sony does it all the time. Please stop portraying your ignorance as fact. Matsushita (Panasonic) makes their own MD gear, ATRAC chips and all. JVC (and previously Kenwood) also produce MD portables that are uniquely their own. Up until the AM-F90, Aiwa produced their own MD recorders as well. With the AM-F90 they rebadged the MZ-R900 from Sony, their parent company. AFAIK Sony has never offered their portables through a VAR. There are other manufactures that purchase MD drives or chipsets from Sony or Sharp but add quite a bit of their own MiniDisc related technology, the Tascam and Yamaha multitrack recorders are good examples of this. Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
Dan Frakes wrote: Steve: the issues with the ER-4S needing an amp isn't whether or not they'll play *loud* enough; rather, it's whether or not they'll play *well* enough ;) The ER4S are simply designed to be used with a powerful headphone amp. If you were to buy a good amp and then use your 4S, you would immediately see what I'm talking about -- as good as you think they sound now, it's nothing compared to what a good amp will do for them. I certainly SEE what you're talking about with respect to a good headphone amp ;) Of course, you're right, and I DO have a headphone amp for them. I was replying in the context of better earphones for minidisc, which I think the ER-4Ss are, even without a headphone amp. What with the external sound isolation among other things. --And I could've sworn some people said they didn't go loud enough. Anyway, IMO, 'tis better to get the highest quality (ER-4S) that can be used with or without an extra amp, so that when you are able to use an amp, it's all that much better. Regardless, I should have mentioned the amp, thanks for pointing that out. -steve - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: spine labels
Ken Clinger wrote, | This is another question, rather than a response. Are the very thin spine | labels actually to be put on the MD itself? I'd always assumed that they | were for the case ... They're for the case or the disc, or one of each if there are two and that's how you want to use them. | I have horrible visions of the label catching on something inside the | deck. Is this unlikely? I've never had a problem from putting a spine label on the edge of the disc that has the write-protect tab. Some are packaged to imply that one could put it onto the opposite edge (the one that faces inward when you insert it) but I've never put one there: *that* would be asking for trouble. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZ-1
oh, i have a new MD portible, the R700DPC, an excelent unit. and i understand that the atrac on the old unit is, well, old. i just pulled it out and started looking at it again for no real reason, it would be kinda cool to get working again. I bought it when i was doing interviews for a local smalltime(read volunteer) radio station and was doing interviews. and it was THE first MD unit sold in my town(i was there the minute they opened the day they got them) so it would just be cool to have working well again. On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:58:17AM -0400, las wrote: Marc, I also have an M-Z1 (well my youngest son has it right now-so I'll probably never see it again). There were many features on that unit that you no longer find on newer portables (digital/optical out for one). But the unit uses the original version of ATRAC. The newer units offer so much more superior sound that you'd be best to hold on to the unit as a collectors piece and not invest any money in it. For $240.00 (you might even be able to do better than that) Sony's R700 portable sounds like a pretty good deal to me. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Anti shock
* Luis Dodero [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | Ok, well I know this has been discussed in the past, but it's never been | clear to me. I have an MZR-700 with G-shock (40 seconds?) of Anti | shock. No, you have an MZ-R700 with G-Protection. G-Protection is a new implementation of anti-skip buffering that is apparantly much beter than the previous G-Shock scheme. | Anyway, while playing, the unit stops spinning the disc, presumably to save | power, and spins up again. My question is, when it stops spinning the disc, | is it reading off the buffer memory? If so, wouldn't that drop the 40 second | rate? No, that is the 40 second buffer. The mechanism reads 40 seconds worth of data and plays from that. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ of skin. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Anti shock
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Yes, and no. My MD-MS722 buffers 40sec of data, stops, but will keep trying to read if it gets shaky. It's to conserve battery life, and you can turn it off on the Sharps (P Save Mode OFF in Setup) - Original Message - From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: Re: MD: Anti shock * Luis Dodero [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | Ok, well I know this has been discussed in the past, but it's never been | clear to me. I have an MZR-700 with G-shock (40 seconds?) of Anti | shock. No, you have an MZ-R700 with G-Protection. G-Protection is a new implementation of anti-skip buffering that is apparantly much beter than the previous G-Shock scheme. | Anyway, while playing, the unit stops spinning the disc, presumably to save | power, and spins up again. My question is, when it stops spinning the disc, | is it reading off the buffer memory? If so, wouldn't that drop the 40 second | rate? No, that is the 40 second buffer. The mechanism reads 40 seconds worth of data and plays from that. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ of skin. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are more stylish (YMMV), silver, they don't exert as much pressure as the KSC-35, and, according to a lot of reports I've seen in Headwize, due to less pressure on the ears they don't sound the same as the 35s. Less bass. Also, they seem to fall easily. People who have the 35s and the 50s actually prefer the 35s. Francisco: Exactly (I was actually the one who wrote the review on Headwize comparing the two ;) ). Here's the big summary: The 50s have more modern styling, as they have larger silver plastic enclosures... probably to compete with Sony's awful but popular StreetStyle line. The 35s are black and, to many people, kind of ugly ;) 50s are a bit more comfortable because of the new rubber/wire flexible earclip (kind of like a cheap Gumby doll ;) However, they have a spring in the earclip, and the rubber/wire doesn't hold, so the earclip eventually moves back to the original position, meaning that while the 35s would stay on your head no matter what, they 50s will fall off if you move too much. This is exacerbated by the fact that the 50s are noticeably heavier. So the 35 is better for exercise or other uses where you'll be moving around. 35s have black, rubber coated cables. 50s have gray, fabric coated cables. The gray fabric is stiffer than the black rubber, but this could be because they are newer right now. 50s protrude much more from the head because of the new silver casing. Not only are they stylish, but they draw attention! hehe, j/k The two models sound almost identical except that the 50s have slightly less bass response than the 35s, most likely because they do not press as tightly against the ear. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The 35s have always been my favorite of the 35/Porta/SportaPro line (all of which use the same driver) because the other two models have a little too much bass (they both fit more tightly still). So while the 50s may have a bit less bass than the 35s, they still sound more balanced than the Portas or Sportas. Keep in mind that any of the four have stellar sound, and you can't get, IMHO, a better set of phones for $50 than one from this line. Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are these great for sport use? i have a pair of cheap sony wrap arounds that i bought on a trip to replace a different pair of headphones that got crushed(don't ask) and i'm looking for something w/ good sound, but will also stand up to the bouncing of outdoor cross country running. The KSC-35s are perfect for running. I use them every day for exercise. Unfortunately, the newer KSC-50s are not -- as described above, they are heavier, and fit much more loosely, so they tend to fall off much more easily :( I would enthusiastically recommend the 35s for running. If you find *them* too lose, you can get the SportaPros at Circuit City for $19, and nobody every accused them of not fitting tightly enough ;) las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re: Etymotics] At $300.00 you really, really, really have to be into listening with earbuds big time! You can buy a pair of Sony Glasstron TV glasses on eBay for that kind of money. The ear buds included with the glasstron are on the big side, but have decent sound and you get to view video on a virtual 52 screen. Larry, you just really have to be into good sound is all ;) $300 is pretty standard for top-of-the-line headphones: Sennheiser HD600, Etymotics, Grado 325, Sony 3000, etc. Yes, you could get that Glasstron TV thingy and ruin your eyes while listening to bad sound, or you could get a pair of amazing headphones ;) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: spine labels
This is another question, rather than a response. Are the very thin spine labels actually to be put on the MD itself? I'd always assumed that they were for the case, until I got one of those 5 MDs in a single case packs, which still had the thin spine labels included. I have horrible visions of the label catching on something inside the deck. Is this unlikely? Bleh! I never thought of that. Good thing I never label my disc, I just put enter disc name text on the disc itself so I see what it is in the readout when I insert em. Of course, when I get a to a hundred discs I might reconsider. For now though they're too pretty to clutter with labels. :) --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Anti shock
* Thus spake Luis Dodero [2001-06-12]: Ok, well I know this has been discussed in the past, but it's never been clear to me. I have an MZR-700 with G-shock (40 seconds?) of Anti shock. 200 seconds I think. Anyway, while playing, the unit stops spinning the disc, presumably to save power, and spins up again. My question is, when it stops spinning the disc, is it reading off the buffer memory? I can't think of any other source. If so, wouldn't that drop the 40 second rate? Yes. In my opinion (guesswork) the disc spins up again when the buffer is about half empty. The MZ-R700 then tries to fill the buffer with an awesome speed (I haven't heard any other MD units yet, but in my opinion that things sounds like a jet turbine (the data sheet says something about 3200 rpm)) and spins down again, thus limiting the time of vulnerability to shocks. I guess that's the G-Shock system. Yes, if the disc would be spinning all the time, the buffer would always be full, but the player would always be very loud to always maintain that 200 second buffer. Today, I took my new MZ-R700 out and I can say it is 'jog-proof'. No problems. Oh, one problem: How do you all carry that MD-player while running around in mother nature? Christoph - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Anti shock
* Christoph Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | 200 seconds I think. 40 seconds base, 80 seconds in LP2 mode and 120 seconds in LP4 mode. G-Protection stores the raw ATRAC data as read off the disc. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Anti shock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually if it's buffering the atrac data, it could buffer 200 seconds, and keep buffering at the regular speed in 1.0x realtime. Thatway the disc would only stay on at 1.0x speeds. Yes, if the disc would be spinning all the time, the buffer would always be full, but the player would always be very loud to always maintain that 200 second buffer. Today, I took my new MZ-R700 out and I can say it is 'jog-proof'. No problems. Oh, one problem: How do you all carry that MD-player while running around in mother nature? I think sport's stores carry something that resembles a fanny pack, made of neoprene. i bought one made for a cassette player, and it works great! keeps your player snug to your body. Christoph - - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Headers Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:28:31 - -0400 Received: from shep.pendragon.co.uk ([128.242.197.200]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:28:02 - -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by shep.pendragon.co.uk (8.9.3/(AWH/norelay)) with SMTP id UAA20210; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:26:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by shep.pendragon.co.uk (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:26:13 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by shep.pendragon.co.uk (8.9.3/(AWH/norelay)) id UAA20190; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:26:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by shep.pendragon.co.uk (8.9.3/(AWH/norelay)) with SMTP id UAA20183 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:26:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21290 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2001 19:27:30 - Received: from pec-152-83.tnt8.b2.uunet.de (HELO imp) (149.225.152.83) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 19:27:30 - Received: from chh by imp with local (masqmail 0.2.2) id 159tVC-06x-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:06:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:06:57 +0200 From: Christoph Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Anti shock Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 000601c0f30b$c5337e90$773ffea9@luis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: 000601c0f30b$c5337e90$773ffea9@luis; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:47:43AM -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Original-Sender: Christoph Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: http://www.amulation.com/md-l/mdlfaq.html, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=help List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=unsubscribe List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=subscribe List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://www.amulation.com/md-l-archive/, ftp://ftp.amulation.com/pub/majordomo/md-l.archive/, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=index - - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOyZ3uYXjRSFNUaVcEQLtsgCfbpaGoUE9kSlVdq0NDBV9uU6SuXcAoJ/8 Hm8PziXcgKSv/8VF/BbJ75V0 =P2jU -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
Steve Corey wrote: And I have to laugh at the '52 virtual screen' I tried some of those, and to me it just seemed like you were looking at a really small screen really close up. If you saw Sony Glasstron current model you wouldn't find that unless it was not properly aligned. Everyone I have shown it to without first telling then what to expect is amazed at how big the screen looks. I have seen models from other manufactures that frankly, sucked. But the Sony offers the sharpest picture of any that I have seen and really does look like a giant screen. As far as $300 goes, For that kind of money I'm sure that you could buy full size over the ear headphones that would just about totally block out any external noise and offer pounding bass that would put any earplugs to shame. LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: RE: Future of MD
Just a thought. Why didn't Sony make MD double sided? Could have followed the analogue cassette analogy (!) and given twice the recording time for almost the same cost? Alan (Who wonders if he's missing a very, very obvious reason why not... Ready to look daft :o) ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerard Naude Sent: 12 June 2001 07:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: RE: Future of MD Hmmm, come to think of it: To flip a disc over to get 500 MB isn't so hot. SDMI, ugh. IF ONLY Sony/Sharp would make MD devices that could take the 650 MB discs, and maybe give MD recorders data transfer capability? Now THAT would be hot. Imagine: Throw like 2 hours of music onto it, a few photos, maybe a small game, and some data files you need, all on one convenient disc/recorder. Drool. Gerard Naude E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: RE: Future of MD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it has something to do with the re-write technology It looks like there is a small magnetic head on top (Overwrite head) that might be used to zap the current secotr into mush so it can be overwritten. thanks - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alan Dowds Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: RE: Future of MD Just a thought. Why didn't Sony make MD double sided? Could have followed the analogue cassette analogy (!) and given twice the recording time for almost the same cost? Alan (Who wonders if he's missing a very, very obvious reason why not... Ready to look daft :o) ) - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerard Naude Sent: 12 June 2001 07:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: RE: Future of MD Hmmm, come to think of it: To flip a disc over to get 500 MB isn't so hot. SDMI, ugh. IF ONLY Sony/Sharp would make MD devices that could take the 650 MB discs, and maybe give MD recorders data transfer capability? Now THAT would be hot. Imagine: Throw like 2 hours of music onto it, a few photos, maybe a small game, and some data files you need, all on one convenient disc/recorder. Drool. Gerard Naude E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOyairYXjRSFNUaVcEQJWxACeOnQiV8KzrEvPt587qID9LzER1jIAnioa ek0zqJ3+dXxla/5HZdhfjLou =aAaq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: RE: Future of MD
Alan Dowds wrote: Just a thought. Why didn't Sony make MD double sided? Could have followed the analogue cassette analogy (!) and given twice the recording time for almost the same cost? MD is like CD. The active layer is on the top of the disc, and the disc itself is optically clear. The laser shines through the disc and hits the top layer from below. MD is also MO technology and during recording, the laser heats the active layer to its Curie point while a magnetic head sits directly above the laser and polarizes the active layer appropriately. I believe for MO to work, a magnetic head has to be directly above the laser. At any rate, this would prevent the ability of MD to be a dual-sided media. Now perhaps using CD-RW technology (phase change?), it could be double-sided. However, this would require the active layer to be sandwiched in the middle. Not to mention this adds complexity in that there would need to be dual optical pickups on both sides of the disc to read each side. This is far simpler in magnetic media (like 3.5 floppies and hard drives) where the heads are tiny, but in an optical media, the optical blocks are very large. I think a dual-sided portable player would be extremely large. Now if MD were double-sided and required flipping the disc (like non-autoreverse cassette players)... I think that would just suck! Flipping discs would be very annoying! Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: Aiwa = Sony, as you say. The guts of any Aiwa MD player or recorder are Sony parts. That's not correct. At least not with the models before the FM90! Aiwa is a totally separate operation from Sony. They have separate facilities and design their own stuff. If you have ever looked at an Aiwa F80 and compared it with what ever model was out from Sony at the same time, you can see that these units have nothing in common. LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
* las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | That's not correct. At least not with the models before the FM90! Aiwa is | a totally separate operation from Sony. On paper, maybe. The difference between Sony and Aiwa is very much like the difference between Ford and Lincoln. | They have separate facilities and design their own stuff. If you have | ever looked at an Aiwa F80 and compared it with what ever model was out | from Sony at the same time, you can see that these units have nothing in | common. On the outside. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: On paper, maybe. The difference between Sony and Aiwa is very much like the difference between Ford and Lincoln. NO. That is simply not correct. Not only that, but the analogy simply does not apply. If you had said Ford and Mercury, the analogy would be closer, but you would still be incorrect. Aiwa is a separate company. They have their own designers, buy their components from whom they please and often make products that while doing the same thing, from the stand point of design and innards have nothing to do with Sony. What you are saying sounds like because most mini systems all look similar they are made by one company. Everyone steals from everyone else. If Sony hadn't invented the mini disc, there would never be Sharp MD products. If you use that reasoning in reality there would only be Sony MD regardless of the components and style. No company makes all of the components in their product these days. They either contract out or simply by from other manufactures. If you don't have enough use for a particular component, it will often be cheaper for you to purchase them from someone else than to manufacture them. The company that only makes widgets can mass produce them and sell hundreds of millions of widgets to other companies. In the process getting their cost per widget down very low. Suppose you make products that use widgets. But you only sell about a million units a year of stuff that has a widget in it. If you bought the raw materials, dies, and possibly licensing rights to make those million widgets they might cost you a dollar a widget. But the Widget company specializes in widgets. The buy hundreds of times more of the raw material than you can. So right off the bat their cost for raw material is less. Also since they only make widgets they can afford the fastest widget making machines. You may find that it is not practical to buy machines that make hundreds of millions of widgets a year when you only need a million. You capital investment will take too long to recover. So you go to the Widget Company. It costs the widget company ten cents a unit. They sell it to you for twenty cents. You are still saving eighty cents over what it would be for you to buy the equipment, raw materials and hire skilled workers to make your own widgets. Now let me give you a real example. Hewlett Packard sells computers with CD burners in them. They say CD Writer on them, just like HPs. But they are totally different units than the HP CD Writer you buy separately. You check your computer to see what it thinks the drive is and surprise it says Mitsumi!! The Mitsumi drive can not even read software designed specifically for the firmware in an HP CD Writer! Evidently Mitsumi can mass produce and sell CD burners for less than it costs HP to make genuine HP CD Writers. LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Carrying for Anti shock
Oh, one problem: How do you all carry that MD-player while running around in mother nature? Hm well I bought a Tune Belt from circuit cityvery handy. Planet Minidisc has them for 18 bucks at http://store.yahoo.com/planetminidisc/tunebelt-mp3.html It just clips around your waist. I found my player skips with it in there though...thing is I'm using one for a discman, which is way too big...maybe a snug fit will keep it from skipping -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Carrying for Anti shock
Hm well I bought a Tune Belt from circuit cityvery handy. Planet Minidisc has them for 18 bucks at http://store.yahoo.com/planetminidisc/tunebelt-mp3.html It just clips around your waist. I found my player skips with it in there though...thing is I'm using one for a discman, which is way too big...maybe a snug fit will keep it from skipping I just use the case that came with my MZ-R900. Granted I'm not JOGGING with it, but it never skips when I walk to and from work (coming back is sharply downhill, so my feet always flop at a downward angle; no skippage). I seriously question when manufacturers of these things claim it protect your player. In my opinion, that should extend to those of us who rollerblade. If I'm able to fall RIGHT ONTO the case with my MP3 in it; it should be armored with solid (yet light) metal or some sort of composite, yet padded inside to the unit doesn't get stressed too badly. I don't care if it SKIPS if I fall on my ass, but I don't want my $500 CAN player to get smashed to bits because the neoprene pouch I put it in doesn't protect against squat. ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Anti shock
Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, you have an MZ-R700 with G-Protection. G-Protection is a new implementation of anti-skip buffering that is apparantly much beter than the previous G-Shock scheme. No it's not. According to Sony's documentation (reprinted at Video-Direct.com, see: http://www.video-direct.com/sony/portmd/portmd.html#f1) they've improved the readout mechanics (faster focal point adjustment, track recovery, and disc rotation). It has nothing to do with the buffering. | Anyway, while playing, the unit stops spinning the disc, presumably to save | power, and spins up again. My question is, when it stops spinning the disc, | is it reading off the buffer memory? If so, wouldn't that drop the 40 second | rate? No, that is the 40 second buffer. The mechanism reads 40 seconds worth of data and plays from that. Yes, playback does deplete the number of seconds of data stored in the anti-shock buffer memory. Forty seconds is the maximum it can hold, as audio is played from it it contains less and less and eventually hits a low water mark causing the disc to be read. The low water mark can be adjusted on some Sharp units. Power Save mode sets it rather low (causing less frequent disc reading), non-Power Save mode sets it higher (keeping the buffer relatively full, but using more energy to do so). Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: spine labels
==BEGIN QUOTE== | I have horrible visions of the label catching on something inside the | deck. Is this unlikely? ==END QUOTE For a short while, I put spine labels on my MDs but found that they start to peel off, or there are remnants of label glue existing on the MD's shell. This, I agree, is worrisome with MD equipment that uses powered slot-loading mechanisms or changer mechanisms which handle the disc like most home MD equipment and all car MD equipment. From what I have observed, most MD changers, both the car units and the bookshelf systems, often rely on an elevator to collect the desired disc from particular floors (holding bays which you slot the discs into) and either lower the disc over a read / write mechanism right next to the ground floor (lowest holding bay) or build the read / write mechanism into the elevator so that the disc is drawn directly from the floor into the elevator for use by the player. I have had some bad experiences with car cassette players which drop the cassette into the playing position when the user pushes the tape in, trapping tapes because of the labels starting to peel off. Now, when I label an MD, I use the face lahel and make sure that it is firmly stuck to the disc casing; and avoid using the spine label. Also, if any spine labels start to peel off, I would remove them instantly and make sure there is no remnant gum on the disc housing. This would then prevent foul-ups when discs are used in slot-in MD equipment or MD changers. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: spine labels
I have had some bad experiences with car cassette players which drop the cassette into the playing position when the user pushes the tape in, trapping tapes because of the labels starting to peel off. You know that was a big pet peeve of mine back in the cassette days, and you'd think that they'd learn. Even with floppy disks, with the labels that curl around the edge to the rear side, they almost ALWAYS came up off that rear side eventually. I wouldn't trust an MD label unless I KrazyGlue'd the thing down or something. ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as $300 goes, For that kind of money I'm sure that you could buy full size over the ear headphones that would just about totally block out any external noise and offer pounding bass that would put any earplugs to shame. Larry, you'd be wrong there, on both counts ;) The Etymotics ER-4S have bass that's as good as the most expensive over the ear headphones -- they are simply some of the most accurate earphones made. In fact, accurate is the key term. You could buy $20 over-the-ear headphones that produce boomy, inaccurate bass, but they would be awful headphones that don't produce good sound. As for isolation, the Etymotics block more external noise than *any* over-the-ear headphone in the world, hands down. Etymotic Research is famous for three things: 1) high-end hearing aids; 2) noise isolation devices; and 3) high-end headphones. Their headphones are produced using the RD from their other products. Personally, I prefer my Sennheiser HD600s (also $300 headphones) because I'm not a big fan of in-ear 'phones. However, I've owned Etys in the past, and their sound was every bit as good. There is a reason they are widely considered one of the best headphones in the world. Obviously, you would rather spend $300 on your Sony video goggle, and more power to you. However, that doesn't mean that the Ety's aren't worth $300 to those that value top-notch sound ;) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Recording speeds
Hi, I was just curious: if the new Sony MD's can record to buffer memory first then spin up the disc and do a fast write (data save) and stop the disc again to conserve battery...couldn't there be some way of making 2X or 4X recordables? I mean, I know obviously it's not as easy as it would be to do on the 4X deck, but maybe some sort of USB port with a winamp plugin that speeds up the audio output? Is this possible? Thanks -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
Dan Frakes wrote: As for isolation, the Etymotics block more external noise than *any* over-the-ear headphone in the world, hands down. Etymotic Research is famous for three things: 1) high-end hearing aids; 2) noise isolation devices; and 3) high-end headphones. Their headphones are produced using the RD from their other products. For me headphones are only for desperate listening. In other words places were it is totally impossible to have a full speaker system. Sound is not just heard with your ears, it is felt by your whole body. I feel that you and your entire body should be enveloped in sound. You just can't do do that with headphones. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
Luis Dodero wrote: Hi, I was just curious: if the new Sony MD's can record to buffer memory first then spin up the disc and do a fast write (data save) and stop the disc again to conserve battery...couldn't there be some way of making 2X or 4X recordables? I mean, I know obviously it's not as easy as it would be to do on the 4X deck, but maybe some sort of USB port with a winamp plugin that speeds up the audio output? Is this possible? Thanks -Luis I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Multi speed MD recorders already exist. I don't know much about them. I believe they involve CD/MD decks. Unless you have a source that is in sync with the MD recorder the speed of the input will not match the recording. A stand alone MD recorder only has an input that accepts PCM. PCM is the standard digital input and output in both CD and MD. As well as digital sound cards. I always think, is it really important how long it takes to make an MD? What if you could load 3 CDs into a unit and 3 MDs. Press one button and leave for work. When you get home you have three finished MD copies. Sure it's all done in real time but not your time. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | That's not correct. At least not with the models before the FM90! Aiwa is | a totally separate operation from Sony. On paper, maybe. The difference between Sony and Aiwa is very much like the difference between Ford and Lincoln. | They have separate facilities and design their own stuff. If you have | ever looked at an Aiwa F80 and compared it with what ever model was out | from Sony at the same time, you can see that these units have nothing in | common. On the outside. I disagree. Inside my Aiwa XR-H66MD is definitely different than most Sony equipment that I've seen. Aiwa uses Sony parts, and that's as far as the similarities go as far as I can tell. However, just about all my audio equipment from other manufacturers uses Sony parts too (as well as Motorola, TI, Matsushita, Siemens, Burr-Brown, etc.). My XR-H66MD doesn't operate like any of my Sony MD recorders either, and its Service Mode is VERY different than Sony's. I think many Aiwa models don't share the same PCB's with any Sony-branded unit. Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Anti shock
Best Buy and other places have a zippered neoprene MP3 case [by CaseLogic, I think] that fits my MZ-R70 and MZ-R700 [not at the same time!] just fine. I has a belt clip loop on the back that's great for hooking your fingers through if you want to hand-carry it. -Original Message- From: Christoph Hertel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: Re: MD: Anti shock Oh, one problem: How do you all carry that MD-player while running around in mother nature? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
