MD: MDLP
AS stated in my previous message, I've been out of MD for a while. I come back to find this wonerful new technology, MDLP, which turns out to merely be lower bit-rate sampling, much to my dismay. Can anyone comment on the sound quality? I personally can't tell the different between 320Kbps and 256Kbps mp3s, but I CAN (barely) hear the difference between 320 and 128. 128 is, generally, perfectly acceptable to me. Especially when using a pair of cheap PC speakers or earbuds. However, I've noticed that 92Kbps and lower really starts to sound like trash. I've read the LP faq (http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html) and messed about with the sample files they have, but does anyone have any real-world experience they can share? Subjectively, how do LP2 and LP4 recordings compare to say, 128K mp3s? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP
Having just recently got into MDLP, I'm very impressed. LP2 to me is brilliant, fine for all uses. I like good sound quality, but I'm not bothered to the extent that some people have been commenting on over the past few days, and to me, it sounds the same as SP. LP4 definitely has some degradation, but is again fine for me recording 5 hours of FM music off the radio - as you say, particularly when using a portable on the train, or via a casette adaptor in the car. I wouldn't use it for recording CD's to listen to on my home deck though. -Original Message- From: Firstname Lastname [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 August 2001 15:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: MDLP AS stated in my previous message, I've been out of MD for a while. I come back to find this wonerful new technology, MDLP, which turns out to merely be lower bit-rate sampling, much to my dismay. Can anyone comment on the sound quality? I personally can't tell the different between 320Kbps and 256Kbps mp3s, but I CAN (barely) hear the difference between 320 and 128. 128 is, generally, perfectly acceptable to me. Especially when using a pair of cheap PC speakers or earbuds. However, I've noticed that 92Kbps and lower really starts to sound like trash. I've read the LP faq (http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html) and messed about with the sample files they have, but does anyone have any real-world experience they can share? Subjectively, how do LP2 and LP4 recordings compare to say, 128K mp3s? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP
This is entirely subjective, and I imagine you're going to get a zillion replies from people quoting bitrates and compression ratios. Myself personally, I've used LP2 compression often for recording 160 min mixes of electronic music from Shoutcast servers. To tell you the truth, even with an excellent pair of earbuds, the quality loss is barely noticeable. Doing a test, I did a digital recording from a CD three times. Once normal, once LP2, once LP4. Normal sounded great of course. LP2 was barely (and I mean BARELY) discernable from the normal recorindg. LP4 is where you really start to hear the compromises being made, but depending on what you're recording, LP4 could be fine (voice material like recording a meething, for instance). These are just my personal experiences. My ears aren't messed up and I don't have a crummy pair of earphones. :) --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD From: Firstname Lastname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: MDLP Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) AS stated in my previous message, I've been out of MD for a while. I come back to find this wonerful new technology, MDLP, which turns out to merely be lower bit-rate sampling, much to my dismay. Can anyone comment on the sound quality? I personally can't tell the different between 320Kbps and 256Kbps mp3s, but I CAN (barely) hear the difference between 320 and 128. 128 is, generally, perfectly acceptable to me. Especially when using a pair of cheap PC speakers or earbuds. However, I've noticed that 92Kbps and lower really starts to sound like trash. I've read the LP faq (http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html) and messed about with the sample files they have, but does anyone have any real-world experience they can share? Subjectively, how do LP2 and LP4 recordings compare to say, 128K mp3s? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP Titling question
BEGIN QUOTE= MDLP tracks will play on a JE500 (albeit as silence), so they will also be able to be titled by the deck, just remember you have half the time to title them..hehe (although you wont have half the time again for lp4 tracks, they play at half the time in mono, lp2 in stereo) ==END QUOTE As already mentioned, you can title MDLP tracks on a non-MDLP player like the MDS-JE500, but there is a shortcut around the half-the-time problem during titling. You can put the machine into PLAY (you will hear silence but the time display will turn over). Then put it into PAUSE before you start titling. This means that you get around the shorter time limit you have on titling LP2 tracks. This ability to title MDLP tracks and discs on non-MDLP decks is useful if you have a Sony JE500, JE510, JE520, W1 or other Sony MD deck where you are able to type the title into the unit using its remote control - the deck has the large remote control with many buttons. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Titling question
Simon Mackay wrote, | This ability to title MDLP tracks and discs on non-MDLP decks is useful if | you have a Sony JE500, JE510, JE520, W1 or other Sony MD deck where you | are able to type the title into the unit using its remote control - the | deck has the large remote control with many buttons. Yes, though if your MDLP deck is a JE640, it has keyboard input, and if it's a JB940, it has both keyboard input and a full-layout remote. Even with a Sony MDLP deck that doesn't have a full-layout remote, if you have such a remote from another deck it should work with the MDLP machine, so you could even listen while you title if you want. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Titling question
- Original Message - From: David W. Tamkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: MD: MDLP Titling question Simon Mackay wrote, | This ability to title MDLP tracks and discs on non-MDLP decks is useful if | you have a Sony JE500, JE510, JE520, W1 or other Sony MD deck where you | are able to type the title into the unit using its remote control - the | deck has the large remote control with many buttons. Yes, though if your MDLP deck is a JE640, it has keyboard input, and if it's a JB940, it has both keyboard input and a full-layout remote. Even with a Sony MDLP deck that doesn't have a full-layout remote, if you have such a remote from another deck it should work with the MDLP machine, so you could even listen while you title if you want. Good for the situations when you've recorded from something and not had/lost the track list] Stuart Howlette - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Titling question
MDLP tracks will play on a JE500 (albeit as silence), so they will also be able to be titled by the deck, just remember you have half the time to title them..hehe (although you wont have half the time again for lp4 tracks, they play at half the time in mono, lp2 in stereo) -- Stuart Howlette There are many questions in life, but is the right answer only correct because the majority believe in it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/ http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/personal/ -- - Original Message - From: charmless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: MD: MDLP Titling question Hi! I know you can't play your LP-recorded stuff on a regular player but is it possible to title the songs on one? I'm thinking of buying a MZR700 and I already own a JE500 desk player and I'm using my Palm Pilot to title the songs on that one. So it would be great for me if I could record songs on the MZR700 (in Lp2 mode) and than transfer the disc over to the JE500 to title the tracks. Will that be possible? Thanks Fredrik Carlsson, Sweden On Tue, 03 July 2001, Tim Pitman wrote: Announcing MiniDisc Control Center! This free program allows you to control a Sony MZ-R900 MiniDisc recorder from your computer. The program uses an interface that connects the parallel (printer) port of your computer to the remote control port of the mini disc unit. Most functions of the recorder can be controlled from the computer, including titling and full recording from Winamp. To find out more, see http://www.southcom.com.au/~tpitman/ Tim Pitman - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Titling question
Fredrik asked, | I know you can't play your LP-recorded stuff on a regular player but is it | possible to title the songs on one? As Stuart has already said, yes; it will play back as silence but you can still title it. That's covered in the MDLPFAQ as well. One thing I'd like to add about it: MDLP recorders will put the three charac- ters LP: at the start of any title you give to an MDLP track (unless you're editing an existing title that didn't have it). MDLP machines (both record- ers and players) won't display the LP:, but a non-MDLP unit will show it so that you'll know why you're getting no sound from the track. Also, if you change a track title on an non-MDLP recorder, the LP: will appear, and you can delete it if you like. Also, some MDLP recorders can be set to display titles as non-LP machines do: then they don't automatically prepend LP: when you title a previously un- named MLDP track, they display LP: if it is present, and they allow delet- ing the prefix. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Titling question
Hi! I know you can't play your LP-recorded stuff on a regular player but is it possible to title the songs on one? I'm thinking of buying a MZR700 and I already own a JE500 desk player and I'm using my Palm Pilot to title the songs on that one. So it would be great for me if I could record songs on the MZR700 (in Lp2 mode) and than transfer the disc over to the JE500 to title the tracks. Will that be possible? Thanks Fredrik Carlsson, Sweden On Tue, 03 July 2001, Tim Pitman wrote: Announcing MiniDisc Control Center! This free program allows you to control a Sony MZ-R900 MiniDisc recorder from your computer. The program uses an interface that connects the parallel (printer) port of your computer to the remote control port of the mini disc unit. Most functions of the recorder can be controlled from the computer, including titling and full recording from Winamp. To find out more, see http://www.southcom.com.au/~tpitman/ Tim Pitman - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
Thanks... Then i'd have to get me a new recorder AND a new portable AND a new car MD AND the MDS-PC3 (if it supports MDLP) It's a bit too costly for me... :( But thank you anyway Greetz, D - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Question
Is it possible to play back MD's that were recorded in MDLP on an older, non MDLP player ? Thanks in advance. Greetz, D - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP Question
Is it possible to play back MD's that were recorded in MDLP on an older, non MDLP player ? No. IIRC, the tracks will play as a silence half as long as the track that was recorded and, unless it was turned off on the recording deck, the track title will be prefixed with LP:. Of course, tracks recorded in SP mode will play on all MD players regardless of which recorder was used. S. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
I've made some compilation discs at LP4, for my *noisy* commute (crowded bus, downtown traffic noises) and it's fine for that. Also probably would work well for low-volume background music. But at home, it's obvious that the high frequencies aren't there, and stereo isn't as stereo. I can't hear any difference between LP2 and SP, but I grew up on cassettes, so my demands are probably not that stellar. -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- You have just read e-mail by Ken Clinger. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may now resume your previously scheduled life. -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
* Ken Clinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 29 May 2001 | I've made some compilation discs at LP4, for my *noisy* commute (crowded | bus, downtown traffic noises) and it's fine for that. Also probably would | work well for low-volume background music. But at home, it's obvious that | the high frequencies aren't there, and stereo isn't as stereo. Yep, that is pretty much exactly what you should be hearing. Keep in mind that the majority of people carrying around portables use the crap headphones that come with the unit. Which means that they probably won't be able to tell the difference between SP and LP4 and really don't care. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP Question
=BEGIN QUOTE=== I downloaded the codec from that page and did some tests by encoding a WAV file at various ATRAC bitrates. I find the LP2 bitrate to be quite acceptable, and the LP4 bitrate to be unacceptable for music with a wide stereo field, but perfectly acceptable for mono or narrow stereo sources. ==END QUOTE=== MDLP, especially the LP4 mode, also can come in handy for background music or PA-related applications where quality isn't critical. In these environments, stereo separation isn't critical because speakers are often located where the business owner sees fit so as to cover the area with music. Also, the music often competes with lots of other background noise, especially in a restaurant or bar. Sony also promoted the concept of MDLP being suitable for long-distance driving in countries like USA and Australia, where there is a large federal area and you can cross the country east-to-west without passing through border controls. They envisage that the music would be competing with the engine and road noise while the driver is concentrating on covering the long-distance journey and there is a need to only carry one disc full of music to cover the journey one-way; or two discs to cover the journey there and back without the music repeating. This would work well if the car MD player was set in shuffle-play mode. As for equipment used for this kind of application, the equipment should support segue-shuffle where the next track appears to start the moment the current track ends if the MD player is playing a disc where dead-air at the start and end of songs is edited out. This is the behaviour that the Sony portables and car units exhibit when placed in shuffle-play mode. With regards, Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Question
Has anyone on the list gone out and gotten one of the new MDLP recorders like SONY MZ-R700? If so, I was wondering if this fantastic new disc-length comes with a cost of lossy compression? While the added disc length would be much appreciated, I wouldn't go for it at a cost of sound quality. (Feel free to reply off-list to the address below.) Thanks in advance! -f. __ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (email) Friday or Saturday, what does that mean? Short space of time needs a heavy scene Monday is coming like a jail on wheels -The Clash - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
I have a R700 but i've been too lazy to play around with the mdlp function, maybe i'll play with it this weekend. but thats pretty much what i've been wondering too, how much more lossy is it? marc On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:03:40AM -0400, Thomas, Ferris wrote: Has anyone on the list gone out and gotten one of the new MDLP recorders like SONY MZ-R700? If so, I was wondering if this fantastic new disc-length comes with a cost of lossy compression? While the added disc length would be much appreciated, I wouldn't go for it at a cost of sound quality. (Feel free to reply off-list to the address below.) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
Here's a MDLP faq: http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html I downloaded the codec from that page and did some tests by encoding a WAV file at various ATRAC bitrates. I find the LP2 bitrate to be quite acceptable, and the LP4 bitrate to be unacceptable for music with a wide stereo field, but perfectly acceptable for mono or narrow stereo sources. Try the codec for yourself and see if you find the compression acceptable. -steve Marc Britten wrote: I have a R700 but i've been too lazy to play around with the mdlp function, maybe i'll play with it this weekend. but thats pretty much what i've been wondering too, how much more lossy is it? marc On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:03:40AM -0400, Thomas, Ferris wrote: Has anyone on the list gone out and gotten one of the new MDLP recorders like SONY MZ-R700? If so, I was wondering if this fantastic new disc-length comes with a cost of lossy compression? While the added disc length would be much appreciated, I wouldn't go for it at a cost of sound quality. (Feel free to reply off-list to the address below.) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Question
cool faq, didn't see that on the sight. i think the problem w/ mindisc.org is theres just too much info ;) the 132(aka lp2) file seemed acceptable(only lisnted to a little of the example file linked from the faq) I'll definatly have to give it a shot this weekend, the extra space could goto some good use for making disc's for work use. (any typeo's are because one arm is in a sling and that makes it hard to type) marc On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:01:47AM -0600, Steve Corey wrote: Here's a MDLP faq: http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html I downloaded the codec from that page and did some tests by encoding a WAV file at various ATRAC bitrates. I find the LP2 bitrate to be quite acceptable, and the LP4 bitrate to be unacceptable for music with a wide stereo field, but perfectly acceptable for mono or narrow stereo sources. Try the codec for yourself and see if you find the compression acceptable. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP car units now in the UK
Hi there Pioneer Kenwood have just released there mdlp head units. Kenwood has one model KMD-673r which is a MD receiver with RDS and cd/md changer control. Pioneer has one model MEH-P7300r this also has that fancy animated blue display. First impressions favors the pioneer With upto date features and nice look, The kenwood unit looks dull but has better sercuirty features, Kenwood also do a standard md headunit which seems to have more audio features they also have a fancy display but I think it's only on the CD units. Hope this helps just waiting for sony now to see what they have to offer Keith - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: mdlp Headunit???
Does anybody on this list have a release date for a MDLP car headunit in the UK? Thanks Keith - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP portable with smooth single-cycle shuffle?
I'm looking to buy an MDLP portable with the following playback characteris- tics; the MZ-R900, per Brian Youn's review, meets the criteria but I'm hoping for something less expensive. Recording is not necessary; I never record in the field and I've an MDS-JB940 at home that can lay down the tracks. What's important is the shuffle play: I want a unit that can play one cycle of all the tracks and then stop on its own instead of starting another cycle if nobody stops it, and which can segue smoothly from track to track without an interruption between them. So far every unit I own either inserts a si- lence between tracks or won't stop after one cycle. Program play would be really nice to have as well. Any suggestions for such a machine? Thanks. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP deck with smooth single-cycle shuffle?
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, David W. Tamkin wrote: What's important is the shuffle play: I want a unit that can play one cycle of all the tracks and then stop on its own instead of starting another cycle if nobody stops it, and which can segue smoothly from track to track without an interruption between them. So far every unit I own either inserts a si- lence between tracks or won't stop after one cycle. I am interested in this too (and the 900 is too pricey for me as well), but I am also curious as to if there are any MDLP Decks that can do this? Thanks, Josh - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP deck with smooth single-cycle shuffle?
Josh wrote, | I am interested in this too (and the 900 is too pricey for me as well), | but I am also curious as to if there are any MDLP Decks that can do this? Sony's MDLP decks cannot; like other Sony MD decks, they stick a moment of silence between each two tracks in shuffle mode, though they manage to segue smoothly in program mode. They can, however, play one shuffle cycle and stop on their own without starting another. My Sony decks behave and my Aiwa portable behave as I just described; my Sony portables don't interrupt between songs in shuffle mode but after finishing a shuffle cycle they start another unless you stop them. I could use an MDLP portable anyway, and it would be nice to get one that does shuffle the way I want, and I hope that won't mean popping for an R900. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP (was can't get my message on board)
I don't know how to get my browser to send text so im using AOL web mail. My question was, because i have a r55 and an r90, does LP2 stereo sound better or is it comparable to standard mono? and is the r900 really better than the r90? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP (was can't get my message on board)
on 3/15/01 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question was, because i have a r55 and an r90, does LP2 stereo sound better or is it comparable to standard mono? and is the r900 really better than the r90? Here's part of a message I sent just after I got my R900 on the sound quality of the LP modes: -- Last night I spent a couple of hours checking out the sound quality on my R900 and comparing it to my R50. To do this, I recorded "The throne room and end title" from the Star Wars suite digitally to a disc on the R50, then moved the disc to the R900 and recorded it again using standard stereo and LP2 modes. Then I listened to all 4 recordings through the R900 using my Sony NC10 earbuds. (The CD was played through the R900 with the R900 paused in record mode.) On a scale of 1-10 with the CD being placed at 10, this is how I would rank the sound quality of the various recordings: Recorded on R50: 9.5 R900 stereo: 9.8 R900 LP2: 9.2 I didn't specifically test the LP4 mode in this manner, but I have used it. I would probably rate it somewhere around 7.6. I should note that it took very, very careful listening with my eyes closed and as little outside noise as possible for me to be able to hear the differences between the 4 versions. I would say that under normal listening conditions there would be no detectable differences between the recordings. -- As to your question about the R90 vs. R900, my not so humble opinion is that the R900 is the definite, hands down winner. Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Truth is eternal, knowledge is changeable. It is disastrous to | | confuse them.| | -- Madeleine L'Engle | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP (was can't get my message on board)
on 3/15/01 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question was, because i have a r55 and an r90, does LP2 stereo sound better or is it comparable to standard mono? and is the r900 really better than the r90? This is totally an apples and oranges comparison. Mono vs. Stereo and different levels of compression. It's like saying would you rather hear Vanila Ice on DVD audio, or Pink Floyd as a 96 kbs MP3? However in general I would far prefer LP2 to standard mono...if it's as good as they say it is anyway. I have never actually listned to an LP MD. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MD: mdlp for live recording
howdy, i'm thinking of picking up an mdlp portable recorder. i was wondering what experiences y'all have had using these for live recording. i'd do this kind of recording in sp mostly, but i'd like to have the option of lp2 in case i need to squeeze a little more onto the disc, or for things where i won't be able to change the disc for a long time. plus i'd like the lp2 for dubs from cd c. how good are the mic preamps in the sony r900 the sharp mt77? i've heard sharp usually has done a better job in this area my old 702 still sounds quite good. (i'm not trying to start a flame war, i just want specific information on these units.) has anyone done side-by-side comparisons of the analog phases of these recorders? thanks peter - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP is great
Haha! I wanted to record a 30 minute programme on Radio 4 (UK) last night - but I didn't have any fresh disks. So I found a disk with 10 minutes left on it - which is almost an hour in LP4! Slipped it into the MZR900, job done, programme recorded - ace. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP units
Leon wrote: I think all the rest have MDLP items in their lineup. yes, but I was specific: there are no MDLP Home Decks yet by any of them!? And I'd like to know why? It seems strange that several months after its promotion, MDLP is only present in the Sony Home Decks... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP units
Hi, does anybody have any explanation about a lack of MDLP home MD units by other big manufacturers ( Yamaha, Pioneer, Technics etc.)? Several months after introduction, there are no other MDLP home machine; the Sony is all alone in the field. Is there any new MDLP units by Technics, Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer on a horizon? IP P.S. Maybe it ( LP) doesn't work well?? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP units
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === No real demand for it, yet? On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:57:50 +0100, Ivica Petrovic wrote: Hi, does anybody have any explanation about a lack of MDLP home MD units by other big manufacturers ( Yamaha, Pioneer, Technics etc.)? Several months after introduction, there are no other MDLP home machine; the Sony is all alone in the field. Is there any new MDLP units by Technics, Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer on a horizon? IP P.S. Maybe it ( LP) doesn't work well?? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP units
Ivica Petrovic asked, | does anybody have any explanation about a lack of MDLP home MD units by | other big manufacturers ( Yamaha, Pioneer, Technics etc.)? Several months | after introduction, there are no other MDLP home machine; the Sony is all | alone in the field. Is there any new MDLP units by Technics, Yamaha, Denon, | Pioneer on a horizon? According to T's MDLP equipment list at http://members.nbci.com/md_data/MDLP1.html, Kenwood, Onkyo, and Denon have home decks out. (Strangely, the list doesn't mention the Sony MDS-JE440.) | P.S. Maybe it ( LP) doesn't work well?? It seems to work well enough on my MDS-JB940. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP units
According to T's MDLP equipment list at http://members.nbci.com/md_data/MDLP1.html, Kenwood, Onkyo, and Denon have home decks out. (Strangely, the list doesn't mention the Sony MDS-JE440.) Seems like only Sharp and Sony have released MDLP portables though - which does seem strange - I'm sure I saw something on the list recently about a new Panasonic portable - but no indication that it was MDLP capable? I don't think there are any "problems" with MDLP and certainly informal reviews of LP2 at least have been favourable. If you're buying an MD unit I don't see the point of not buying one with MDLP - but strangely enough it seems that non-MDLP units are not much less expensive than MDLP units (e.g. Sony R90 vs R900). In my opinion the introduction of MDLP must devalue non MDLP units dramatically. Richard Lang Solicitor Duncan Cotterill Christchurch, New Zealand email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (++64)-3-379-2430 fax: (++64)-3-379-7097 http://www.duncancotterill.com ___PLEASE NOTE: ___ This communication contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy the contents of this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, facsimile or collect telephone call to +64 3 379 2430 and destroy the original. We virus scan all e-mails and electronic media but are not responsible for any virus or alternation. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === In Japan, Pioneer and Panasonic haven't released any MDLP equipment. I think all the rest have MDLP items in their lineup. Kenwood has been particularly enthusiastic, adding MDLP to all their boomboxes and small bookshelf systems. From what I could gather online, the 440 isn't sold in Japan. There is a possibility that it is sold, just not listed on the websites. Leon on 2/18/01 1:32 PM, David W. Tamkin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivica Petrovic asked, | does anybody have any explanation about a lack of MDLP home MD units by | other big manufacturers ( Yamaha, Pioneer, Technics etc.)? Several months | after introduction, there are no other MDLP home machine; the Sony is all | alone in the field. Is there any new MDLP units by Technics, Yamaha, Denon, | Pioneer on a horizon? According to T's MDLP equipment list at http://members.nbci.com/md_data/MDLP1.html, Kenwood, Onkyo, and Denon have home decks out. (Strangely, the list doesn't mention the Sony MDS-JE440.) | P.S. Maybe it ( LP) doesn't work well?? It seems to work well enough on my MDS-JB940. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Car Stereo
Is there any MDLP Car Stereo out there? Which model is good? Where can I buy one? Thanks TAKY CHEUNG http://hottaky.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP car units
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Has there been any mention of car units that support MDLP. The MDLP equipment list only lists Japanese models, I suppose we just wait until Sony US gets around to refreshing the model lineup. I would love a US version of the Japanese MDLP decks that Sony did. dsowa === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP- makes a good thing better!
==BEGIN QUOTE Mmm I have some catching up to do this is the first time I heard of MDLP. How does it work exactly. different pitch smaller pits ?? ===END QUOTE This improvement to the "Rainbow Book" MiniDisc standard is achieved by implementing the ATRAC3 codec which is more efficient than the ATRAC codec specified for MD. Audio data encoded in this manner is "packed out" in a manner to suit the standard cluster sizes used on "Rainbow Book" audio MiniDisc media. Playing any tracks recorded using MDLP on a regular MD deck would result in silence being heard because the audio data is of a different format to the original ATRAC format. Most of the earlier ATRAC3 codecs will be regarded as sounding pretty awful because that codec needs to be tweaked in the same manner as what happened to the original ATRAC codec. Therefore newer MDLP decks will be made to sound better under LP2 LP4 once ATRAC3 undergoes some revision. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi everyone! I asked JB HiFi about whether they have Sony MDS-JE640 MD decks in store and they told me that the moment they get these decks in store, they sell out very quickly. They even have told me that the local Sony distributors even have ran out of machines to supply as "general stock". I often suspect that the machines that are lingering in stores are the demonstrators which are used by those stores who won't sell display or demonstrator units to customers unless the unit is a superseded model. The reason that these MDLP-capable decks have sold out very quickly is because they offer MDLP abilities along with essential "presentation-audio" features like fade-start and fade-stop during playback; and "auto-pause" which stops the machine at the end of each track (very important for musical-accompaniment use, drama and the like). MDLP works hand-in-glove with MD's abilities in presentation audio because you can store the equivalent of five CDs; 6-8 vinyl LPs or at least 80 standard-length songs on one 80-minute MD when recorded in LP4. This amounts to lots of space saved in transporting and storing your "presentation-audio". I was told that a DJ could carry a small satchel full of music that would take up the equivalent of a car trunk full of vinyl stored in milk crates for example. MDLP will bring about the fact that this small satchel or gig bag will hold twice or four times the equivalent -- bring on the flexibility and variety for performances. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === yes, but how does it sound? Can you edit it as closely as a regular MD? Simon Mackay wrote: and "auto-pause" which stops the machine at the end of each track (very important for musical-accompaniment use, drama and the like). MDLP works hand-in-glove with MD's abilities in presentation audio because you can store the equivalent of five CDs; 6-8 vinyl LPs or at least 80 standard-length songs on one 80-minute MD when recorded in LP4. This amounts to lots of space saved in transporting and storing your "presentation-audio". I was told that a DJ could carry a small satchel full of music that would take up the equivalent of a car trunk full of vinyl stored in milk crates for example. MDLP will bring about the fact that this small satchel or gig bag will hold twice or four times the equivalent -- bring on the flexibility and variety for performances. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP- makes a good thing better!
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === At 12/8/00 8:27 AM, J. Coon wrote: yes, but how does it sound? Can you edit it as closely as a regular MD? Here's the relevant portion from a message I posted a little over two months ago: Last night I spent a couple of hours checking out the sound quality on my R900 and comparing it to my R50. To do this, I recorded "The throne room and end title" from the Star Wars suite digitally to a disc on the R50, then moved the disc to the R900 and recorded it again using standard stereo and LP2 modes. Then I listened to all 4 recordings through the R900 using my Sony NC10 earbuds. (The CD was played through the R900 with the R900 paused in record mode.) On a scale of 1-10 with the CD being placed at 10, this is how I would rank the sound quality of the various recordings: Recorded on R50: 9.5 R900 stereo: 9.8 R900 LP2: 9.2 I didn't specifically test the LP4 mode in this manner, but I have used it. I would probably rate it somewhere around 7.6. I should note that it took very, very careful listening with my eyes closed and as little outside noise as possible for me to be able to hear the differences between the 4 versions. I would say that under normal listening conditions there would be no detectable differences between the recordings. HTH. Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | The best things in life aren't things. | | -- Art Buchwald | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP- makes a good thing better!
In the normal (SP) mode, you record 60, 74 and 80 minutes of stereo music. You also have a LP mode that doubles the record capacity but the sound is monaural not stereo. New MD products have normal mode, mono LP mode and MDLP. MDLP consists in two new modes: recordind durationx2 and x4 in STEREO! The "normal" or SP mode encodes music at 292 kbp/s. If you want to increase the recording time, your data must be more compressed. In LP2, data is encoded at 131 kbp/s. In LP4, at 66 kbp/s. You notice that LP2 isn't exactly the half of SP (292/2=146) and LP4 isn't the 1/4 of SP (292/4=73). The remaining bytes are used to allow backward compatibility. Non-MDLP products won't read MDLP tracks but will be able to edit them. In SP mode, you record in true stereo at 292 kbp/s= near-CD quality (maybe more but it's another debate). In LP2, you still record in stereo at 131 kbp/s = loss of quality In LP4, you record at 66 kbp/s in JOINT-STEREO. First, your bitrate is very low (encode a song in MP3 format at this bitrate and listen). Two, this is joint-stereo. To gain place, LP4 searches for similarities in the stereo channels and encode them in one step. AS a result, you will have a bad sound due to a big compression (66 kbp/s) and joint-stereo (the channels are mixed together). [EMAIL PROTECTED] a *crit : equivalent of a car trunk full of vinyl stored in milk crates for example. MDLP will bring about the fact that this small satchel or gig bag will hold twice or four times the equivalent -- bring on the flexibility and variety for performances. With regards, Simon Mackay Mmm I have some catching up to do this is the first time I heard of MDLP. How does it work exactly. different pitch smaller pits ?? Bryan http://bullets.gothic.ie - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bryan asked, | Mmm I have some catching up to do this is the first time I heard of MDLP. | How does it work exactly. different pitch smaller pits ?? No. Best answer I can give is to refer you to the MDLP FAQ at http://www.minidisc.org/mdlpfaq.html. That explains most of it. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP- makes a good thing better!
Jeanmougin wrote, | In the normal (SP) mode, you record 60, 74 and 80 minutes of stereo music. | You also have a LP mode that doubles the record capacity but the sound is | monaural not stereo. and | New MD products have normal mode, mono LP mode and MDLP. It is not a good idea to call the regular mono mode "LP". That not only con- fuses it with LP2 and LP4 but moreover it is misleading about the bit rate and misrepresentative of the way the mode is marked in the TOC. Furthermore, it implies that non-LP units wouldn't support regular mono, while in fact nearly all of them do. The regular mono mode is part of SP. It doubles the capacity by using two channels' space for one monaural channel at the same bit rate as SP stereo. SP mono could be called "EP"; it is the extended-play form of SP, just as LP4 is the extended-play form of LP. The regular-play counterparts are SP stereo and LP2, respectively, and their bit settings in the status word reflect that: bit 2 is on for SP and off for LP, while bit 1 is on for regular play and off for extended play. So, if pre-emphasis is off and thus bit 0 is off, the low byte of the status word will be 6 for SP stereo, 4 for SP mono, 2 for LP2, and 0 for LP4. (Bit 3 is always 0.) | You also have a LP mode that doubles the record capacity but the sound is | monaural not stereo. No, you also have an SP mono mode that doubles the recording capacity. | New MD products have normal mode, mono LP mode and MDLP. No, new MD products have SP stereo, SP mono, LP2, and LP4 modes. Mono is not LP. | The "normal" or SP mode encodes music at 292 kbp/s. SP mono is also at 292 kb/s; again, it should not be called "LP". - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP- makes a good thing better!
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I know in my area there's only a small amount to choose from in minidisc technology. My computer hard drive is too slow to edit audio with, it takes longer than real time to cut 5 seconds out of something, maybe up to 2 minutes. This was when I downloaded sound forge xp which I lost in a goof up that required a disk format, one of those where I had access to an ftp site for only a limited time before it expired. I'm sure disk speed has everything to do with it, but I can't find cheap extremely fast drives that can reduce the edit time. It's mostly what I find at best buy or circuit city that seems not to give many choices of what to get. My system won't hold the gigs of ram needed to record 3 or four hours at a time, as after 15 minutes things are starting to crash. Is there common to find recorders that record for a few hours on a disk, or that can change disks automatically for recording? At 07:58 PM 12/8/00 +1100, you wrote: Hi everyone! I asked JB HiFi about whether they have Sony MDS-JE640 MD decks in store and they told me that the moment they get these decks in store, they sell out very quickly. They even have told me that the local Sony distributors even have ran out of machines to supply as "general stock". I often suspect that the machines that are lingering in stores are the demonstrators which are used by those stores who won't sell display or demonstrator units to customers unless the unit is a superseded model. The reason that these MDLP-capable decks have sold out very quickly is because they offer MDLP abilities along with essential "presentation-audio" features like fade-start and fade-stop during playback; and "auto-pause" which stops the machine at the end of each track (very important for musical-accompaniment use, drama and the like). MDLP works hand-in-glove with MD's abilities in presentation audio because you can store the equivalent of five CDs; 6-8 vinyl LPs or at least 80 standard-length songs on one 80-minute MD when recorded in LP4. This amounts to lots of space saved in transporting and storing your "presentation-audio". I was told that a DJ could carry a small satchel full of music that would take up the equivalent of a car trunk full of vinyl stored in milk crates for example. MDLP will bring about the fact that this small satchel or gig bag will hold twice or four times the equivalent -- bring on the flexibility and variety for performances. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Ed Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I listened to all 4 recordings through the R900 using my Sony NC10 earbuds. (The CD was played through the R900 with the R900 paused in record mode.) I should note that it took very, very careful listening with my eyes closed and as little outside noise as possible for me to be able to hear the differences between the 4 versions. I would say that under normal listening conditions there would be no detectable differences between the recordings. Thanks for that, Ed. Although I'd be interested to hear the same comparison with some high quality, non-earbud headphones. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP in the U.S
Would that be similar to http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-JE440.html (J. Coon) Yeah, that's the one. I didn't remember the correct model number. Incidentally, Best Buy's sign for it fails to mention the MDLP modes. In fact, the tag states that one can record up to *74 minutes* with it. Once again, Best Buy doesn't have a clue... Daryl - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe they should be informed of there error? "Daryl O." wrote: Would that be similar to http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-JE440.html (J. Coon) Yeah, that's the one. I didn't remember the correct model number. Incidentally, Best Buy's sign for it fails to mention the MDLP modes. In fact, the tag states that one can record up to *74 minutes* with it. Once again, Best Buy doesn't have a clue... Daryl - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Would that be similar to http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-JE440.html Not much info on the unit on the minidisc pages. $199 for a deck. wow.. what are the features and specs for it? On Sony's UK site: http://194.154.177.137/products_details.asp?code=MDS-JE440nav=tech It's quite a basic deck (only digital I/O is an optical in, although av-store.co.uk claims it has optical and coax), but at a very good price. The bit extra for the 640 might be worth it though - it's about 30ukp more and you get keyboard input, pitch control, scale factor edit, better display, etc. I'm going on UK specs but there's not usually a difference between markets for them. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP in the U.S.
"Daryl O." wrote: An LP-2/4 minidisc recording deck is already available at Best Buy stores. It's called the MDS-JE400, I believe, and it's retailing for $199 Would that be similar to http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-JE440.html Not much info on the unit on the minidisc pages. $199 for a deck. wow.. what are the features and specs for it? Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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An LP-2/4 minidisc recording deck is already available at Best Buy stores. It's called the MDS-JE400, I believe, and it's retailing for $199 Daryl - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP in the U.S.
Though I resisted the idea of MDLP at first, I am now beginning to warm up to the idea. When will MDLP players and recorders be available in America (they aren't already, are they?) -- or does anyone know? J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP in the U.S.
I'm guessing new Sony MDLP equipments will come out "on schedule", after the same interval between any previous generations. Sony will definitely play MDLP to their advantage, because so many others aren't ready even in Japan. One would imagine Sharp has some form of ATRAC3 technology (since they're selling the e-musee, the headphone/memory stick player), but they've had no MDLP equipment out. If Sharp is developing, I'd imagine a February/March 2001 launch in Japan. Matsushita may never touch MDLP, for they're using AAC in solid-state audio against Sony's ATRAC3, and claiming that AAC is nearer to CD quality amongst the "near-CD" compression algorithms. But only time will tell. Leon p.s. The new Sony memory stick walkman looks great. Though I resisted the idea of MDLP at first, I am now beginning to warm up to the idea. When will MDLP players and recorders be available in America (they aren't already, are they?) -- or does anyone know? J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP
Larry writes: From statements made on this list, the LP4 mode's sound quality is not suitable for music. Larry See previous posting from me. As a contributor to the above opinion, I no longer would make that statement. It should be used cautiously, but for some music applications, it is fine and VERY convenient. Regards, Leland - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP
If the normal ATRAC is able to compress CD music at a ratio of 5-1 and the new MDLP format is able to squeeze four (4) times as much audio data onto the same disk then ATRAC isn't MDLP compressing CD music at a ratio of 20-1? If so, this blows away mp3 ;^) OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP
Check out the FAQ on the MD community page. I believe it has nothing to do with further compression (or more correctly bitwise reduction). The just lower the bit rate. If you go use Napster you will always see a bit rate listed for each song you search for. The higher the number the larger the file. For MP3s 128 seems to be the most popular number. But you will find a variety of different numbers listed. The smaller you make the file, the more you can fit on the disc (obviously). As far a blowing away MP3, if you mean in terms of storage time, again depending on the bit rate, A CD of MP3 files will have a much longer playing time than an MD in the LP2 mode. From statements made on this list, the LP4 mode's sound quality is not suitable for music. Larry Phat Ha wrote: If the normal ATRAC is able to compress CD music at a ratio of 5-1 and the new MDLP format is able to squeeze four (4) times as much audio data onto the same disk then ATRAC isn't MDLP compressing CD music at a ratio of 20-1? If so, this blows away mp3 ;^) OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO OO OO OO OO OOOO OO OO OO OO _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Car head units
Quick question. When are the mdlp head units from sony due out in the U.K and does anybody no if there compatible with the old cd multichangers. Thanks again keith - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP Car head units
Quick question. When are the mdlp head units from sony due out in the U.K and does anybody no if there compatible with the old cd multichangers. As they go in yearly(ish) cycles and the 6500/8500 came out a couple of months ago, I'd say next summer at the earliest (have MDLP car units even been announced yet?). With the CD changers, I don't think Sony have altered the multichanger connection in a while and have no need to for future ones. The uk.rec.audio.car and rec.audio.car newsgroups may be a better place to check though. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP (Amended Comments)
BEGIN QUOTE=== Sorry, what's an aircheck? END QUOTE= An aircheck is used to describe the recording of a radio broadcast in an uninterrupted fashion (similar to recording a TV show with a VCR). The practice of recording selected songs off radio )a practice which many of us did using our "ghetto blasters" during the 80s to grab only those "crown jewels" - particularly-favourite songs - that we wanted off the radio) would not best describe an aircheck. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MDLP (Amended Comments)
===BEGIN QUOTE== I still think LP4 is pretty damned good, but the quality will depend in large part on the type of music one is recording. It's certainly good enough for airchecks, which was the primary reason for my enthusiasm. If you want a long mix for background music, LP4 will definitely suffice. ===END QUOTE As far as MDLP goes, I would regard LP2 as being useful for any situation where quality is desired but it may be desired to achieve a long playing time, such as longer personal music mixes, "sound-catching" where good stereo separation is desired and "cart machine" jingle use. LP4 may be suitable for obtaining "warts and all" airchecks of long radio broadcasts such as entire announcer shifts (announcer samplers, station output samplers, station logs); recording background music for places like shops and restaurants were sound quality doesn't matter (think Muzak); recording meetings and lectures; and archiving speech-based tapes such as cassette ministry tapes. The regular ATRAC1 modes come in handy where quality or compatibility with legacy MD equipment is desired. For example, they can be used for MD-based mastering. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP (Amended Comments)
James T. Resinger" wrote: I think I was prematurely enthusiastic about the sound quality of LP4. I still think it's pretty good, but I recorded some music that was a little more subtle--and demanding--than the orchestral music I used initially to test LP4. I recorded a song from THE BILL EVANS ALBUM, and I noticed that the piano sound was somewhat muddy and occasionally gritty in places. Funny, one of the tests I made in my hotel room where I reported the LP4 problems was Bill Evans, Live from the Village Vanguard. I have done some more tests. Piano is difficult for LP4. Also, material that has a lot of phase information, like the beginning of "Brown Eyed Girl" by Van Morrison. "The Prophets Song" by Queen, which has a passage that is a ping pong like stereo round, going radically from left channel to right channel with little background to mask noise, created some huge artifacts. Almost like pops. Other material sounds pretty good. It is really source dependant. I might use it for some mindless Pop material that I like to carry for light hearted listening, and delete any tracks that screw up. Eventually I think I will have to try it for a few months to know if it is going to be acceptable. A 320 minute disc is a real space saver, so I think it will be worth the effort. It's certainly good enough for airchecks, which was the primary reason for my enthusiasm. If you want a long mix for background music, LP4 will definitely suffice. I agree with Jim's comments. I did some ambient recording, walking around town and recording a meeting with a cheap stereo microphone. LP4 did a fine job with this and would be great for recording lectures or meetings. LP2 sounds fine, but I haven't done a real critical test yet. Regards, Leland - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP (Amended Comments)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Isn't aircheck recording off radio? I keep seeing Japanese people use that term - everyone used to dub everything off FM radio a couple decades ago, so that they didn't have to buy records/cassettes. Leon "James T. Resinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still think LP4 is pretty damned good, but the quality will depend in large part on the type of music one is recording. It's certainly good enough for airchecks, which was the primary reason for my enthusiasm. If you want a long mix for background music, LP4 will definitely suffice. Sorry, what's an aircheck? Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP Update
I can clear up *one* question regarding MDLP. I just named over 60 tracks recorded in LP4 on the JE440 by using my MDS-PC1. In fact, the only problem I ran into is that I got a "Text Area Full" message because there were so many tracks to name. Jim R. 09/14/00 1100 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP (Amended Comments)
I think I was prematurely enthusiastic about the sound quality of LP4. I still think it's pretty good, but I recorded some music that was a little more subtle--and demanding--than the orchestral music I used initially to test LP4. I recorded a song from THE BILL EVANS ALBUM, and I noticed that the piano sound was somewhat muddy and occasionally gritty in places. I still think LP4 is pretty damned good, but the quality will depend in large part on the type of music one is recording. It's certainly good enough for airchecks, which was the primary reason for my enthusiasm. If you want a long mix for background music, LP4 will definitely suffice. I tried recording at LP2 (the EVANS ALBUM again), and it sounded just great. Jim R. 09/14/00 1644 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDLP question
Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if the new MDLP records will also be able to record in the standard SP (74 or 80 minute) mode as well as the MDLP24 modes. I read the MDLP FAQ and couldn't find the answer in there (Although I apologize if it was there and I somehow missed it.) Thanks. -- -Nicholas Christ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MDLP question
From: "Nicholas Christ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if the new MDLP records will also be able to record in the standard SP (74 or 80 minute) mode as well as the MDLP24 modes. I read the MDLP FAQ and couldn't find the answer in there (Although I apologize if it was there and I somehow missed it.) Thanks. -Nicholas Christ [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would say the answer has to be yes, there is no way they could hope to make a new generation of equipment that is totally incompatible with older units. Actually I would expect the default setting for the new units to be SP mode, and recording in LP2 or LP4 requires specifying in a record-mode selection. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
