[MBZ] 1961 Mercedes Benz 220SE -- Parts Car Complete Chicago

[Rick Knoble]

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/84474730.html
Probably close to free, No affiliation, yadda, yadda...

Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep, Im spread mighty thin, and fixing to be spread even thinner.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Rusty, you oughta know by now that Kaleb is a tight a$$ about his $$.


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Bah humbug. Use the good Wurth stuff that I sell.


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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh geez, you are too much.

John Ervine wrote:


Wheel, I'm growing tired of this conversation.  I need a brake.

Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:


Now that is well SPOKEN.

DWS

John Ervine wrote:


Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:


Can't resist this.  Is it WURTH it?





Wurth every punny.





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 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, its down, now what?

Steve MacSween wrote:


Kaleb will have to put his foot down, soon.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Just feeling a little shiftless, that's all.

Rich Thomas wrote:


I think he is loosing it.

--R

Steve MacSween wrote:



Stop squealing.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Wheel, I'm growing tired of this conversation.  I need a brake.

Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:




Now that is well SPOKEN.

DWS

John Ervine wrote:





Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:





Can't resist this.  Is it WURTH it?




Wurth every punny.




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Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That car was a POS, I have 2 stick cars here now and I have no problems 
with either of them.


John Ervine wrote:


Kaleb doesn't handle clutch situations very well.

Steve MacSween wrote:


Kaleb will have to put his foot down, soon.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Just feeling a little shiftless, that's all.

Rich Thomas wrote:


I think he is loosing it.

--R

Steve MacSween wrote:



Stop squealing.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Wheel, I'm growing tired of this conversation.  I need a brake.

Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:




Now that is well SPOKEN.

DWS

John Ervine wrote:





Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:





Can't resist this.  Is it WURTH it?




Wurth every punny.





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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

Re: [MBZ] Dieselvolk...Was ist ein KLIMA relay?

[Marshall Booth]

The KLIMA relay is the relay that controls the AC in mid/late '80s and 
diesel '90s Mercedes.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT !

[Marshall Booth]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561642572&category=6330&rd=1

VIN : WDBAB53A4FA193738



The VIN is wrong - the one in the body of the text 123130 is 
probably correct. It's a Euro non-turbo 4 door sedan with tex and 
anti-lock brakes. Nice car. That car with a 5 spd and the 88 hp 617.91 
engine would be fun.


Marshall
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[MBZ] Pressure Bleeding.

[Peter Arnold]

Found most of the parts to make a pressure bleeder, I've got $20 into
it.
Trouble finding a master Cylinder cap, guess I'll try a dealer
tomorrow.
If I understand correctly, I will simply pressurize The reservoir with
about 20 PSI, I have no gage.  Than bleed furthest to the closest.

I have 2 pints of #4 brake fluid coming.  I'll use a can of #3 to
flush the parts while cleaning.

I'm also changing shocks.  Car is jacked up with front wheels off.  I
have to put another jack/support to hold the lower A frame while
removing shock as the shock acts as a stop for suspension travel.  Is
this correct?

Going to be a fun weekend

Moose stuff, I missed a huge cow moose with my truck/camper a few
years ago.  She ran in front of me, I flat spotted 8 tires!  Also
ruined my underwear, those things are huge!

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 225 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 185 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 70 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mitch,

I think that it is possible for this car to get pretty close to 110 mph, 
certainly it will exceed 100.  My '85 wagon with 320k miles on it, with same 
engine and transmission as this car, has reached an indicated 107 mph in 5th 
gear (will go faster in 4th gear but I didn't know that before and haven't had 
an opportunity to find out how much faster since).  I've reason to think that 
my speedometer is pretty accurate, but I haven't 'calibrated' it against GPS 
yet.  If the EGR valve has been disabled, a reasonable estimate is a gain of 
~5hp (comparing info from '85 TDM for engine power figures in countries that 
didn't require EGR - they got an extra ~5hp).  The sedan will be lighter than 
my wagon (lighter still than a US spec car which has an automatic transmission 
and heavier bumpers).

Also, do I see an ABS pump in the engine bay?

Unfortunately, the car is beginning to rust - I think I see bubble on the 
leading edge of the RR fender, and there is a rust stain on the front bumper.  
Also, the jack points look a little ragged - very hard to tell in the poor 
lighting conditions used to photograph the car so that it is very tough to see 
the lower body parts.

Will be fun to see how much it goes for!

Max



Mercedes rates the 123.130 and 123.190 at 150 kmh (94 mph).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Marshall Booth]

Euan wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong (gently), but although the '85 sedan and estates
shared the same engine, the estate engine was detuned?  Auxiliary systems
parasitise power too, so, among other things, the self-levelling suspension
system peculiar to the wagons would be draining grunt. I guess gear/diff
ratios would also influence velocity.

The fastest I've navigated my '85 non-turbo 300TD 5-spd to was 145 kph (90
mph) on a flat plain. Mind you, that was fully (I mean, fully) laden with
all the gear a family of women need when travelling, into a slight headwind,
on the crap-quality diesel marketed to us here in NZ. The smoke plume was
reported from space.


The sedan and estate engines are IDENTICAL. While the self leveling 
suspension pump will drain a little power when pumping, that's 
negligable once the engine is started and running for a bit and level 
established - then it only needs to add what leaks. The rear ends for 
the sedan and and wagon have identical ratios (there were special ratios 
for special purpose vehicles).


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Pressure Bleeding.

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Arnold wrote:
> 
> Trouble finding a master Cylinder cap, guess I'll try a dealer
> tomorrow.

I believe you can get an aftermarket cap at Mcparts, probably Help! brand.

Here it is: You can use a late model GM master cylinder cap (Help! p/n 42035).
http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Euan]

D'uh. Got that completely wrong, didn't I. So did the (so-called) MB fix-it
dealer who mentioned these things. Can't tell him so; he's dead at the
moment.

Thanks Marshall.

Euan 


> From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
> Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:31:25 -0400
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT
> ...
> The sedan and estate engines are IDENTICAL. While the self leveling
> suspension pump will drain a little power when pumping, that's
> negligable once the engine is started and running for a bit and level
> established - then it only needs to add what leaks. The rear ends for
> the sedan and and wagon have identical ratios (there were special ratios
> for special purpose vehicles).

Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Dan Weeks]

And now he's got us all in his clutches


Dan


He started by piling it here and piling it there

Steve MacSween wrote:


True, he wanted to be a pilot but they didn't like his bearing.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kaleb doesn't handle clutch situations very well.

Steve MacSween wrote:


Kaleb will have to put his foot down, soon.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Just feeling a little shiftless, that's all.

Rich Thomas wrote:


I think he is loosing it.

--R

Steve MacSween wrote:



Stop squealing.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Wheel, I'm growing tired of this conversation.  I need a brake.

Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:




Now that is well SPOKEN.

DWS

John Ervine wrote:





Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:





Can't resist this.  Is it WURTH it?



Wurth every punny.




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Marshall Booth]

Don wrote:
What? 


You're saying that your car has a higher top end in 4th than it does
in 5th? Unless there is a governor attached to overdrive, that is
totally counter intuitive.


That's true of MOST Mercedes 5 speeds! All of my 5 spds would go faster 
or the same speed in 4th. I've owned 3 of them. The TDMs and owner's 
manuals point that out too.


It's unrelated to the governor - it relates to how much power the engine 
can deliver and at what engine speed. In 5th gear the engine doesn't 
deliver as much power as is necessary to travel at maximum speed - it 
will deliver enough more power in 4th gear to permit the car to go a 
little faster. Either are below the 5100 governor limit (usually the max 
ground speed will occur at an engine speed of about 4600 +/- 200 rpm).


Marshall
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[MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?

[Dan Weeks]

Not at all uncommon at all. In a relatively low-powered engine, a 
higher gear can put you too far off the power peak to overcome wind 
resistance and other running friction at higher speeds, so you can 
achieve a higher speed in a lower gear. Downhill or in a stiff 
tailwind, you may be able to exceed the lower gear's top speed, but 
not on the level.


Dan


What?

You're saying that your car has a higher top end in 4th than it does
in 5th? Unless there is a governor attached to overdrive, that is
totally counter intuitive.

On 7/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 (will go faster in 4th gear but I didn't know that before and 
haven't had an opportunity to find out how much faster since). 



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I don't even need the drum.

-

LT Don
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug)
1972 Honda CB-500K



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Re: [MBZ] Pressure Bleeding.

[Joe Knight]

That first update in the link Mitch posted is very much worth the
little extra effort.  For the Speedibleed that portion of the cap into
which the coupling threads is deep enough to accept a piece of that
threaded pipe commonly used for mounting light fixtures, which is a
perfect fit.

joe

[MBZ] Coolant

[TimothyPilgrim]

Looks like I might need to replace my lower rad hose. It was spilling
the green stuff crazily the other day, and the various drive belts
were flinging the stuff everywhere. I poked at it tonight and the
upper end of it appears to be quite flared around the engine inlet and
there was a small amount of coolant pooled around the lip.

So as I recall, the right stuff to use is Zerex G-05 which has a
yellowish tinge. So is the green stuff in my car okay? It's the
typical antifreeze I've seen sold all over the place. Also, if I
should decide to drain the coolant system, what's the total capacity I
can expect to remove, and to replace?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT !

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:40:39 -0400 Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561642572&category=6330&rd=1
> > 
> > VIN : WDBAB53A4FA193738
> > 
> 
> The VIN is wrong - the one in the body of the text 123130 is 
> probably correct. It's a Euro non-turbo 4 door sedan with tex and 
> anti-lock brakes. Nice car. That car with a 5 spd and the 88 hp 617.91 
> engine would be fun.

Yup, you're right. I hadn't noticed it before: WDB1231301A214405, where
12313010214405 would indicate a four-speed manual and the 1A indicates a
five-speed.

Craig

[MBZ] I have the sudden urge for a SEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Stealing our cars!!

[redghost]

We could just snag some mid-70 land yachts in good enough shape and 
send those over for the collectors.  Bet we could make a bunch of cash, 
then stock up on euro parts to ship back in the empty container


On Thursday, July 14, 2005, at 06:41 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Well that is because all of these old cars are long gone overthere, so 
now people want them I guess and pay big money for them and have them 
shipped.


redghost wrote:

Scanning the German eBay list of benz.  If you really want to rake in 
the cash, make your car pretty and sell it on their site.  A Gump 
type is up to 2k euro, some fool has a fintail out of CA for 21k 
euro.  I do not think Kalebs cars will fetch that, but maybe the more 
polished ones, in good condition.
Maybe that fellow in CA who snags the diesel and tries to sell them 
here with vegie conversion is taking the vergassers and putting them 
in container for the fatherland!

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Clay
Seattle Bioburner
1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] I have the sudden urge for a SEC

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:30:40 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562184040&category=6330&rd=1

You mean to put a diesel in?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT !

[Joe Knight]

Datacard for WDB1231301A214405 lists engine 617912 10 209857, tranny
717400 00 048941, paint 929, interior 152.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT !

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:41:29 -0700 Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Datacard for WDB1231301A214405 lists engine 617912 10 209857, tranny
> 717400 00 048941, paint 929, interior 152.

Atta boy, Joe!


Craig

Re: [MBZ] I have the sudden urge for a SEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

naw, I wouldnt do that

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:30:40 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562184040&category=6330&rd=1



You mean to put a diesel in?


Craig

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RE: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[Royce Engler]

eeew.

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darrell W. Sigmon
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:03 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels


Now that is well SPOKEN.

DWS

John Ervine wrote:

> Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:
> 
>> Can't resist this.  Is it WURTH it?
> 
> 
> Wurth every punny.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Painting Wheels

[redghost]

I still have not used the Griots paint, mainly because I have yet to 
figure out how to get the valve stems off the alloys.


Did the ATS snot for wheels (I am mad at them because they take 60mm 
center caps which are unobtainium) using Checkers/kragen/schucks rattle 
can paint.


Clean with degreaser
First coat with a zinc grey primer
second coat with a silver wheel paint
third coat silver wheel
then used clear coat for two coats light
final coat thicker clear coat

On Thursday, July 14, 2005, at 10:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

Several months ago someone discussed the best brand/color of paint to 
use to refinish bundt wheels. Does someone out there still have that 
info and can share it ?


TIA.

M Claus
1985 300 CD

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?

[Loren Faeth]

You are talking about my first car, a 1956 36 hp VW that someone put 6.50 
15s on the back.  Uphill in 3rd, downhill in 4th.


At 08:54 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote:
Not at all uncommon at all. In a relatively low-powered engine, a higher 
gear can put you too far off the power peak to overcome wind resistance 
and other running friction at higher speeds, so you can achieve a higher 
speed in a lower gear. Downhill or in a stiff tailwind, you may be able to 
exceed the lower gear's top speed, but not on the level.


Dan


What?

You're saying that your car has a higher top end in 4th than it does
in 5th? Unless there is a governor attached to overdrive, that is
totally counter intuitive.

On 7/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 (will go faster in 4th gear but I didn't know that before and haven't 
had an opportunity to find out how much faster since).



--
Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
I don't even need the drum.

-

LT Don
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug)
1972 Honda CB-500K



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[MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?

[Bucks2]

You can't beat my BMW Isetta though for proving there is always an exception. 
It overrevs if you try to exceed 38-40 MPH in 3rd gear. 4th (top gear) will 
take you to 54 mph. It matches your criteria, low power, 298 cc, 13 hp. If 
you've seen a rolling egg you know about wind resistance. 

I think the majority of the time you see the phenomena beign talked about is 
when overdrive is involved. The drive train is geared to run up to to 1:1 
ratio and then when you engage OD it is for economy not speed. 

Ken

In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Not at all uncommon at all. In a relatively low-powered engine, a 
higher gear can put you too far off the power peak to overcome wind 
resistance and other running friction at higher speeds, so you can 
achieve a higher speed in a lower gear. Downhill or in a stiff 
tailwind, you may be able to exceed the lower gear's top speed, but 
not on the level.

Dan

Re: [MBZ] I have the sudden urge for a SEC

[Loren Faeth]

Nice color.  a 603 would work.

At 10:40 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:30:40 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562184040&category=6330&rd=1


You mean to put a diesel in?


Craig

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[MBZ] OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[Zeitgeist]

This is interesting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6008&item=4562114425

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Re: [MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?

[Loren Faeth]

yes, or poor engineering.  In the case of my VW, the oversize rear tires 
acted as an overdrive.  Had it been left per Dr. Porshe's design, it would 
have run out to a better top speed.  However, being broke and cheap, I left 
on the oversize tires and imagined i was saving money by lowering engine 
RPM/road speed.


At 11:35 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote:
You can't beat my BMW Isetta though for proving there is always an 
exception. It overrevs if you try to exceed 38-40 MPH in 3rd gear. 4th 
(top gear) will take you to 54 mph. It matches your criteria, low power, 
298 cc, 13 hp. If you've seen a rolling egg you know about wind resistance.


I think the majority of the time you see the phenomena beign talked about 
is when overdrive is involved. The drive train is geared to run up to to 
1:1 ratio and then when you engage OD it is for economy not speed.


Ken

In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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Subject: [MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?
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Not at all uncommon at all. In a relatively low-powered engine, a
higher gear can put you too far off the power peak to overcome wind
resistance and other running friction at higher speeds, so you can
achieve a higher speed in a lower gear. Downhill or in a stiff
tailwind, you may be able to exceed the lower gear's top speed, but
not on the level.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[shustew]

43600 on the clock???  I believe BMW made these diesel engines to be
installed in Lincoln Contentinals back in the late 1980's but the American
public had just seen GM's 5.7 diesel fall apart & thus Lincoln could not
move their Lincoln's with diesels in them.
 bill s


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[Desert Rat]

Darn you!!!
John

On 7/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 43600 on the clock???  I believe BMW made these diesel engines to be
> installed in Lincoln Contentinals back in the late 1980's but the American
> public had just seen GM's 5.7 diesel fall apart & thus Lincoln could not
> move their Lincoln's with diesels in them.
>  bill s
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thursday, July 14, 2005, at 10:36  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I believe BMW made these diesel engines to be
installed in Lincoln Contentinals back in the late 1980's but the 
American
public had just seen GM's 5.7 diesel fall apart & thus Lincoln could 
not

move their Lincoln's with diesels in them.



IIRC, 1984 was the only year for the Lincoln with the BMW diesel.  Very 
hard to find now.  I've seen them in Hemmings occasionally.  Has a 
self-leveling suspension system of some kind, supposed to be a very 
nice ride and plenty powerful.



Alex Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300D Turbo
'01 VW Beetle TDI (wife's)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

This is interesting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ 
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6008&item=4562114425




The E34 (third-generation 5-series) is IMHO the best car BMW ever  
made---their version of the 124.  With a diesel it would be a dream  
come true.


I'm a bit worried by the seller's report of it being "slow on takeoff".  
 Maybe not getting turbo boost---some kind of problem equivalent to the  
infamous blocked banjo bolt?  From all reports I've read about these  
cars, BMW did a great job of optimizing the torque and power curves on  
these engines for plenty of low-end grunt.


Seems like a good deal for a few thousand bucks, though, assuming valid  
paperwork.  I'm very skeptical of these Euro cars that periodically pop  
up on Ebay that were imported after the end of the great "gray-market  
era" in 1985 or '86, when import rules were tightened up and DOT/EPA  
conversions became much more expensive.  IMHO, anyone buying one of  
those should make darn sure not just that the car has a valid state  
title but also that it came here by above-board means, lest it be  
confiscated and crushed by the Feds.



Alex Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300D Turbo
'01 VW Beetle TDI (wife's)

[MBZ] Using Duty Cycle to Measure ECU Codes

[John Peterson]

I am using the Sears duty cycle meter ($29) to read ECU codes on my 1990- 
trying to diagnose a no turbo boost situation.  I am putting the positive 
lead on the (+) of the battery and the (-) lead to terminal #4.  I am 
getting a 50% duty.  Are these the correct pins to use to read duty?  I have 
the MB manual of codes but I don't know which pins to read on.  Can anyone 
help?  Thanks Friends


John Peterson
Kingston, RI
1990 300D 2.5 127k
1991 300D 2.5 72k 

[MBZ] 240D Motormounts

[Curt Raymond]

Murphy was right...
It seems like every time I take my car into the shop I notice something that 
develops into yet another problem...
Wednesday morning taking the car to the shop I noticed the engine seemed to 
shake more than normal. Today its shaking like it did when I first got it, so 
bad motor mounts.
How long do motor mounts last? This set has been in about 36,000 miles.
 
I guess this is an easy fix to do myself? I've gotten a little leary of going 
to the shop. Its not his fault, but I also want to become more self sufficient 
and this seems like a good excuse to buy a floorjack...
 
Oh OK Don, the hubcaps arrived yesterday. You totally made them sound worse 
than they are! I put the "dented" one on this morning, that dent is barely 
noticable. Tonight I'll paint the other one to more or less match the car.
 
-Curt
'83 240D "Hammie" 241kmi

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[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[meadedillon]

Euan,

Catching up on digest - forgive if already covered.

I don't think that the estate engine was 'de-tuned' compared to the sedan.  
True, the SLS pump would be a parasitic loss that the sedan wouldn't have 
unless it had the SLS option.  I think the bigger difference is the weight and 
the wind resistance.  I would imagine that the wind resistance for the wagon is 
higher?

During my highspeed run, I was quite suprised at the smoke trail, and feared 
that my oil consumption rate was too high at that speed for me to continue more 
than about 10 minutes.  With wife, luggage and full tank, I've been able to 
easily cruise at 90 mph and touch 95 occasionally, but the car is much more 
stable and well behaved at ~85.  I would suspect that your car is not 
performing at full potential - should be able to reach top speed with two souls 
on-board, full liquid load and a small amount of luggage (i.e. ready-to-drive 
condition).  Did you have the AC cranking?  Head wind would definitely have a 
large affect at high speed - most of the power required is going into 
overcoming wind resistance.

Don,

Yes, 4th gear has a higher top speed than 5th, officially noted in the 1985 
TDM.  It's a small difference - something like 5 KPH, and due to the engines 
power band which puts the HP peak close to the max. RPM (4800 RPM HP peak IIRC, 
max. RPM 5050).

Ciao Ciao,
Max

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] 240D Motormounts

[John Robbins]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Curt Raymond wrote:

I guess this is an easy fix to do myself? I've gotten a little leary of 
going to the shop. Its not his fault, but I also want to become more 
self sufficient and this seems like a good excuse to buy a floorjack...


They aren't that bad, the only annoying part is trying to get them to line 
up with the engine when you put them back in...  otherwise very DIY.


John
'79 300SD

[MBZ] Re: OT: Another Bimmer diesel

[Zeitgeist]

I've visited a Finnish Bimmer forum and those guys are working their 
Scandahoovian magic on these diesels as well. If I had the spare cash, I'd 
be seriously tempted. Still kicking myself for passing on the mid-'90's 
5-series turbo diesel wagon that appeared on ebay last year--THAT was a very 
nice ride!

On 7/14/05, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> This is interesting:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6008&item=4562114425
>  
> 
> 
Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (206k) 
'84 300D (202k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

[MBZ] 124 AC evaporator reliability (Calling Doktor B!)

[meadedillon]

Marshall,

Have you kept any data on the reliability (or failure rate) for evaporators in 
'87 300TDs?

I'm considering the purchase of a poor example of such a fine car, and it's 
been abused to the point that the egine has been replaced at least once 
(247,000 miles on the odometer).  One of the many problems the car has, and 
most worrisome to me, is that the AC doesn't work.

Any idea if evaporator failures were higher or lower based on region (i.e. 
North vs. South)? I'm thinking that this car's AC died while it was in the 
North, not really hot enough to need it, so it's been INOP for years. I'm 
thinking that means a lower probability that the EVAP is bad? Does that make 
any sense, or am I trying to rationalize this purchase?

Thanks in advance,
Max


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

[MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

 > They walk among us!
 >
 > IDIOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD:
 > I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the
 > local township administrative office to request the removal of the Deer
 > Crossing sign on our road.
 > The reason: "too many deer were being hit by cars" and he didn't want
 > them to cross there anymore. This one was from Kingman, KS.
 > __
 > IDIOTS IN FOOD SERVICE: My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and
 > ordered a taco. She asked the person behind the counter for "minimal
 > lettuce." He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg. And he was a
 > Kansas City chef!
 > __
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an
 > airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage
 > without your nowledge? To which I replied, "If it was without my
 > knowledge, how would I know? He smiled knowingly and nodded, "That's
 > why we ask." Happened in Birmingham, Ala.
 > ___
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to
 > cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged
 > coworker of mine when she asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I
 > explained that it signals blind people when the light is red.
 > Appalled,she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing
 > driving?!" She was a probation officer in Wichita, KS
 > ___
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker who
 > was leaving the company due to "downsizing," our manager commented
 > cheerfully, "this is fun. We should do this more often." Not a word was
 > spoken. We all just looked at each other with that
 > deer-in-the-headlights stare. This was a bunch at Texas Instruments.
 > 
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: I work with an individual who plugged her power strip
 > back into itself and for the life of her couldn't understand why her
 > system would not turn on. A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff's
 > office no less.
 > 
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: When my husband and I arrived at an automobile
 > dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in
 > it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working
 > feverishly to unlock the driver's side door. As I watched from the
 > passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered
 > that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "it's
 > open!" To which he replied, "I know - I already got that side."
 > This was at the Ford dealership in Canton, Mississippi!
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

Re: [MBZ] Pressure Bleeding.

[Rich Thomas]

You wear huge underwear?  I don't think we all needed to know that much 
detail...


--R

Peter Arnold wrote:


Moose stuff, I missed a huge cow moose with my truck/camper a few
years ago.  She ran in front of me, I flat spotted 8 tires!  Also
ruined my underwear, those things are huge!

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.


 

Re: [MBZ] I have the sudden urge for a SEC

[Rich Thomas]

There is a guy in the 'hood who has a 560SEC, I think he has Borla 
mufflers or glasspacks or some such on it, has a nice rumble going down 
the street.  I like that car.


--R


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562184040&category=6330&rd=1 

Re: [MBZ] 124 AC evaporator reliability (Calling Doktor B!)

[brian toscano]

I've heard it said that evaps don't get changed much in Colorado.

In the Southeast they go out at an alarmingly high rate.  But we have
very humid weather and the A/C is used a lot. My mech buddy does evaps
all summer long on 124's and 140's, and seeing more cases on newer
E-class cars ('96+).

Not sure about the Northeast.

Brian



On 7/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marshall,
> 
> Have you kept any data on the reliability (or failure rate) for evaporators 
> in '87 300TDs?
> 
> I'm considering the purchase of a poor example of such a fine car, and it's 
> been abused to the point that the egine has been replaced at least once 
> (247,000 miles on the odometer).  One of the many problems the car has, and 
> most worrisome to me, is that the AC doesn't work.
> 
> Any idea if evaporator failures were higher or lower based on region (i.e. 
> North vs. South)? I'm thinking that this car's AC died while it was in the 
> North, not really hot enough to need it, so it's been INOP for years. I'm 
> thinking that means a lower probability that the EVAP is bad? Does that make 
> any sense, or am I trying to rationalize this purchase?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Max
> 
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
> Digest Lurker since 2001
> '85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
> '96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
> '73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
> Charleston SC
> 
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RE: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[Royce Engler]

You should probably know that all those folks are now working as security
screeners at the airport since the gummint took over that function.

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darrell W. Sigmon
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:57 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]





  > They walk among us!
  >
  > IDIOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD:
  > I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the
  > local township administrative office to request the removal of the Deer
  > Crossing sign on our road.
  > The reason: "too many deer were being hit by cars" and he didn't want
  > them to cross there anymore. This one was from Kingman, KS.
  > __
  > IDIOTS IN FOOD SERVICE: My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and
  > ordered a taco. She asked the person behind the counter for "minimal
  > lettuce." He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg. And he was a
  > Kansas City chef!
  > __
  > IDIOT SIGHTING: I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an
  > airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage
  > without your nowledge? To which I replied, "If it was without my
  > knowledge, how would I know? He smiled knowingly and nodded, "That's
  > why we ask." Happened in Birmingham, Ala.
  > ___
  > IDIOT SIGHTING: The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to
  > cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged
  > coworker of mine when she asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I
  > explained that it signals blind people when the light is red.
  > Appalled,she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing
  > driving?!" She was a probation officer in Wichita, KS
  > ___
  > IDIOT SIGHTING: At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker who
  > was leaving the company due to "downsizing," our manager commented
  > cheerfully, "this is fun. We should do this more often." Not a word was
  > spoken. We all just looked at each other with that
  > deer-in-the-headlights stare. This was a bunch at Texas Instruments.
  > 
  > IDIOT SIGHTING: I work with an individual who plugged her power strip
  > back into itself and for the life of her couldn't understand why her
  > system would not turn on. A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff's
  > office no less.
  > 
  > IDIOT SIGHTING: When my husband and I arrived at an automobile
  > dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in
  > it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working
  > feverishly to unlock the driver's side door. As I watched from the
  > passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered
  > that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "it's
  > open!" To which he replied, "I know - I already got that side."
  > This was at the Ford dealership in Canton, Mississippi!
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >


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OT Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[Rich Thomas]

At Houston Hobby airport a few months after 9/11, I was at the head of 
the line for a short flt to Dallas, Southwest Airlines (cattle line).  
The gate attendant announces, "Anyone who would like to volunteer for a 
random security check will get on the plane first."  Aside from the fact 
that if you had to go through that process you would be about #30 on the 
plane, I stupidly could not resist asking him, , "How can it be random 
if you volunteer?"  He said, "Well, then you just volunteered" and the 
woman behind me (#2 in line) got /seriously /upset that she couldn't 
volunteer to be randomly searched to be first in line.  I got to do the 
stupid human tricks, was about #30 on the plane.


I learned from that experience never to question empirical reality.

Then I see this in today's paper:
*Houston Chronicle, by Mike Glenn*   Original Article 


**
A Houston-based rapper said his decision to call himself the "Arabic 
Assassin" was meant to stir up a bit of controversy in the music 
business. The stage persona -- along with some incendiary lyrics in one 
of his songs -- also helped get Bassam Khalaf fired this month from his 
job as a baggage screener at Bush Intercontinental Airport.



There is more to the story, but it just makes one wonder, or maybe not...

--R


Royce Engler wrote:


You should probably know that all those folks are now working as security
screeners at the airport since the gummint took over that function.

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darrell W. Sigmon
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:57 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]





 > They walk among us!
 >
 > IDIOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD:
 > I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the
 > local township administrative office to request the removal of the Deer
 > Crossing sign on our road.
 > The reason: "too many deer were being hit by cars" and he didn't want
 > them to cross there anymore. This one was from Kingman, KS.
 > __
 > IDIOTS IN FOOD SERVICE: My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and
 > ordered a taco. She asked the person behind the counter for "minimal
 > lettuce." He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg. And he was a
 > Kansas City chef!
 > __
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an
 > airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage
 > without your nowledge? To which I replied, "If it was without my
 > knowledge, how would I know? He smiled knowingly and nodded, "That's
 > why we ask." Happened in Birmingham, Ala.
 > ___
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to
 > cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged
 > coworker of mine when she asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I
 > explained that it signals blind people when the light is red.
 > Appalled,she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing
 > driving?!" She was a probation officer in Wichita, KS
 > ___
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker who
 > was leaving the company due to "downsizing," our manager commented
 > cheerfully, "this is fun. We should do this more often." Not a word was
 > spoken. We all just looked at each other with that
 > deer-in-the-headlights stare. This was a bunch at Texas Instruments.
 > 
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: I work with an individual who plugged her power strip
 > back into itself and for the life of her couldn't understand why her
 > system would not turn on. A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff's
 > office no less.
 > 
 > IDIOT SIGHTING: When my husband and I arrived at an automobile
 > dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in
 > it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working
 > feverishly to unlock the driver's side door. As I watched from the
 > passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered
 > that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "it's
 > open!" To which he replied, "I know - I already got that side."
 > This was at the Ford dealership in Canton, Mississippi!
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


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RE: [MBZ] My Poor 240D

[Schisler, Gary]

Hey!  That's my car!  


Well, maybe a clone on color and condition.
Gary

RE: OT Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[Royce Engler]

ROTFLMAO

I was doing a lot of weekly traveling to New Orleans a couple of years ago,
and figured out REAL quick that the random person that would be chosen at
Southwest was always the first person in each of the three queues.  When
Southwest did away with the plastic strips and started issuing paper
boarding passes, they started bar coding the boarding passes of people who
were "randomly chosen"  As soon as you got your boarding pass, you knew you
were in for it.

Royce
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:02 AM
  To: Mercedes mailing list
  Subject: OT Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]


  At Houston Hobby airport a few months after 9/11, I was at the head of the
line for a short flt to Dallas, Southwest Airlines (cattle line).  The gate
attendant announces, "Anyone who would like to volunteer for a random
security check will get on the plane first."  Aside from the fact that if
you had to go through that process you would be about #30 on the plane, I
stupidly could not resist asking him, , "How can it be random if you
volunteer?"  He said, "Well, then you just volunteered" and the woman behind
me (#2 in line) got seriously upset that she couldn't volunteer to be
randomly searched to be first in line.  I got to do the stupid human tricks,
was about #30 on the plane.

  I learned from that experience never to question empirical reality.

  Then I see this in today's paper:
Houston Chronicle, by Mike Glenn   Original Article


A Houston-based rapper said his decision to call himself the "Arabic
Assassin" was meant to stir up a bit of controversy in the music business.
The stage persona — along with some incendiary lyrics in one of his songs —
also helped get Bassam Khalaf fired this month from his job as a baggage
screener at Bush Intercontinental Airport.

  There is more to the story, but it just makes one wonder, or maybe not...

  --R

Re: [MBZ] My Poor 240D

[Don]

But does yours have the "bent frame" option installed? 

On 7/15/05, Schisler, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey!  That's my car!
> 
> 
> Well, maybe a clone on color and condition.
> Gary
> 
> ___
> 
-- 
Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
I don't even need the drum.

-

LT Don 
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
1972 Honda CB-500K

Re: [MBZ] Re: Top speed in what gear?

[David Brodbeck]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:17:05 -0500, Loren Faeth wrote
> yes, or poor engineering.  In the case of my VW, the oversize reartires acted 
> as an overdrive.  Had it been left per Dr. Porshe'sdesign, it would have run 
> out to a better top speed.  However, beingbroke and cheap, I left on the 
> oversize tires and imagined i was savingmoney by lowering engine RPM/road 
> speed.

I believe that all 4-speed VWs had an overdrive 4th gear.  It was a pretty mild 
one, 0.90:1 as I recall.
 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[David Brodbeck]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 9:41:27 -0400, meadedillon wrote
> I don't think that the estate engine was 'de-tuned' compared to the 
> sedan.  True, the SLS pump would be a parasitic loss that the sedan 
> wouldn't have unless it had the SLS option.  I think the bigger 
> difference is the weight and the wind resistance.  I would imagine 
> that the wind resistance for the wagon is higher?

Probably lower.  My experience with other makes is that the wagon usually has
a lower drag coefficient.  It might seem hard to believe, but that squared off
rear end is actually more aerodynamically efficient than the notchback sedan
design.

[MBZ] 124 AC evaporator reliability (Calling Doktor B!)

[meadedillon]

Brian,

Grazie!  I thought that I'd heard that shared on the list before.  The fact 
that this car spent most of its life in the N. East may be one of few saving 
graces, and only for things like evaporators and dashboards and life of rubber 
bits inside the passenger compartment.

Max

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[David Brodbeck]

An acquaintance of mine who lives in Ketchikan, Alaska, says that tourists
will often travel thousands of miles on a cruise ship to get there, step off
onto the dock, then immediately ask how far above sea level they are.

Re: [MBZ] 240D Motormounts

[Tan Qu]

Curt,

Make sure the motor mount is lined up straight with
the bolt hole on the chasis as it is very easy to
strip the thread. You may have to get a second hand to
use a 2X4 to push the engine. 

Tan


--- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Murphy was right...
> It seems like every time I take my car into the shop
> I notice something that develops into yet another
> problem...
> Wednesday morning taking the car to the shop I
> noticed the engine seemed to shake more than normal.
> Today its shaking like it did when I first got it,
> so bad motor mounts.
> How long do motor mounts last? This set has been in
> about 36,000 miles.
>  
> I guess this is an easy fix to do myself? I've
> gotten a little leary of going to the shop. Its not
> his fault, but I also want to become more self
> sufficient and this seems like a good excuse to buy
> a floorjack...
>  
> Oh OK Don, the hubcaps arrived yesterday. You
> totally made them sound worse than they are! I put
> the "dented" one on this morning, that dent is
> barely noticable. Tonight I'll paint the other one
> to more or less match the car.
>  
> -Curt
> '83 240D "Hammie" 241kmi
> 
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[MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?

[Kevin J. Slater]

Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked
compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my
brother start the weekend laughing..

...Kevin

Re: [MBZ] My Poor 240D

[Tan Qu]

I don't think any other 240D will. It is not an option
you can have it installed at the factory. It's a
proprietary feature - one that will take many factors
and many trials to reproduce the exact result! 

BTW, as one lister said, the chasis did move forward
and messed up some of IP accelerator linkage rods. No
wonder the car drives slower after the accident. Good
thing is that every is metal - bend the pivot mounting
bracket and the power got back some. 


Tan

--- Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But does yours have the "bent frame" option
> installed? 
> 
> On 7/15/05, Schisler, Gary
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey!  That's my car!
> > 
> > 
> > Well, maybe a clone on color and condition.
> > Gary
> > 
> > ___
> > 
> -- 
> Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
> I don't even need the drum.
> 
> -
> 
> LT Don 
> 1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
> 1972 Honda CB-500K
> 
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Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...

[Christopher McCann]

I really couldn't find much. Here is a report on the
proposal...but I am pretty sure it passed, but I think
it's UP TO $4,000 based on the vehicles
enviro-friendliness...and I bet diesel is not rated at
$4,000...if anyone finds out more, please let us know.

Christopher

--- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Got any more info on that tax credit? With $4k off a
> new Jetta or Passat starts to look real interesting
> to me. Maybe even a Liberty with the Italian diesel,
> esp if they get the 6spd manual shift in it.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:47:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting
> theory... 
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID:
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> LCDR,
> 
> Data point: very good. Makes sense as I have read
> transportation shifts to rail in economic
> downturns...the refineries would have tweaked their
> refining for less diesel, now as demand has been
> lowly
> rising (as you observe in Charleston), I can see how
> there really could be a shortage...Oil Co's were too
> slow on "correcting the correction."
> 
> 2nd para: good point. It makes it easier to achieve
> BioD and DinoD "parity", but my point was
> gasoline/diesel disparity...I wonder, even with the
> $4,000 tax incentive to buy a new diesel, how many
> people have NOT bought a diesel b/c of the higher
> price of diesel fuel (that would still be stupid,
> though because the difference is made up by the
> greater economy of diesel vehicles) to say nothing
> of
> the $4000 credit on the new vehicle. 
> 
> Makes me want to buy a 320 CDI :-) (want and afford
> are two different things).
> 
> 
> 
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"




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RE: [MBZ] My Poor 240D

[Schisler, Gary]

Bent frame option?  I passed on that one.  Of course that is the only
thing I ever passed while in this car.  ;>)

Gary

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:46 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Poor 240D

But does yours have the "bent frame" option installed? 

On 7/15/05, Schisler, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey!  That's my car!
> 
> 
> Well, maybe a clone on color and condition.
> Gary
> 
> ___
> 
-- 
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I don't even need the drum.

-

LT Don 
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
1972 Honda CB-500K

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Euan,

Catching up on digest - forgive if already covered.

I don't think that the estate engine was 'de-tuned' compared to the sedan.  
True, the SLS pump would be a parasitic loss that the sedan wouldn't have 
unless it had the SLS option.  I think the bigger difference is the weight and 
the wind resistance.  I would imagine that the wind resistance for the wagon is 
higher?

During my highspeed run, I was quite suprised at the smoke trail, and feared 
that my oil consumption rate was too high at that speed for me to continue more 
than about 10 minutes.  With wife, luggage and full tank, I've been able to 
easily cruise at 90 mph and touch 95 occasionally, but the car is much more 
stable and well behaved at ~85.  I would suspect that your car is not 
performing at full potential - should be able to reach top speed with two souls 
on-board, full liquid load and a small amount of luggage (i.e. ready-to-drive 
condition).  Did you have the AC cranking?  Head wind would definitely have a 
large affect at high speed - most of the power required is going into 
overcoming wind resistance.

Don,

Yes, 4th gear has a higher top speed than 5th, officially noted in the 1985 
TDM.  It's a small difference - something like 5 KPH, and due to the engines 
power band which puts the HP peak close to the max. RPM (4800 RPM HP peak IIRC, 
max. RPM 5050).


The 123 wagon has lower drag/wind resistance than the sedan, but weighs 
120 kg (264 lb) more. The two vehicles had exactly the same rated top 
speed (but the wagon's 0-62 mph acceleration time was more than a second 
slower).


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

Re: [MBZ] 124 AC evaporator reliability (Calling Doktor B!)

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Marshall,

Have you kept any data on the reliability (or failure rate) for evaporators in 
'87 300TDs?

I'm considering the purchase of a poor example of such a fine car, and it's 
been abused to the point that the egine has been replaced at least once 
(247,000 miles on the odometer).  One of the many problems the car has, and 
most worrisome to me, is that the AC doesn't work.

Any idea if evaporator failures were higher or lower based on region (i.e. 
North vs. South)? I'm thinking that this car's AC died while it was in the 
North, not really hot enough to need it, so it's been INOP for years. I'm 
thinking that means a lower probability that the EVAP is bad? Does that make 
any sense, or am I trying to rationalize this purchase?


Evaporator failure rate in 124 wagons from the south seems to be to be 
in the 40-50% range - northern cars seem to do a little better (but my 
mostly Pittsburgh run 124 wagon evaporator failed after about 4 years in 
Virginia).


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

Re: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?

[John Peterson]

it is on big-boys.com -- there is a search on the site to find it and other 
funny ones!


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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?



Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked
compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my
brother start the weekend laughing..

...Kevin

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Re: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?

[Gabriel S.]

check out this video:
 
www.wertechconstruction.com/nice.wmv
 
***WARNING***GRAPHIC

John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
it is on big-boys.com -- there is a search on the site to find it and other 
funny ones!

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From: "Kevin J. Slater" 
To: "Mercedes mailing list" 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?


> Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked
> compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my
> brother start the weekend laughing..
>
> ...Kevin
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?

[Gabriel S.]

check out this video:
 
www.wertechconstruction.com/nice.wmv
 
***WARNING***GRAPHIC

John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
it is on big-boys.com -- there is a search on the site to find it and other 
funny ones!

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To: "Mercedes mailing list" 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?


> Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked
> compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my
> brother start the weekend laughing..
>
> ...Kevin
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> Probably lower.  My experience with other makes is that the wagon usually has
> a lower drag coefficient.  It might seem hard to believe, but that squared off
> rear end is actually more aerodynamically efficient than the notchback sedan
> design.

OTOH, if the wagon has a roof rack...

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]

[TimothyPilgrim]

Bwahhhaaahahahaha!

Tim

On 7/15/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An acquaintance of mine who lives in Ketchikan, Alaska, says that tourists
> will often travel thousands of miles on a cruise ship to get there, step off
> onto the dock, then immediately ask how far above sea level they are.

[MBZ] Huh?

[Rick Knoble]

Must be seen to be believed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Mercedes-190e-Custom-Kit-Car-Wide-Body-Lowrider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQitemZ7987055658QQrdZ1
Must be Friday.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

[MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 90

[Bucks2]

There's a cruise ship that takes passengers "thousands of miles" to get to 
Alaska? I thought most came from Seattle and Vancouver, which are only hundreds 
of miles away. Perhaps they travelled thousands of miles, but not all the way 
on a cruise ship? 

Relax, I'm just cracking wise with you. Living on the Puget Sound we hear 
folks ask about how far above sea level we are all the time. Some folks want to 
know where the water goes when the tide goes out too. 

Ken

In a message dated 7/15/2005 2:21:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: IDIOTS I]
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

An acquaintance of mine who lives in Ketchikan, Alaska, says that tourists
will often travel thousands of miles on a cruise ship to get there, step off
onto the dock, then immediately ask how far above sea level they are.

Re: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?

[Jeff Zedic]

Did you get the video yet? I think I have it.

Re: [MBZ] 124 AC evaporator reliability (Calling Doktor B!)

[Peter Frederick]

Approximately 15% of W124 chassis cars have cracked evaporators, much 
higher than normal rates.  Engine has no effect on this, it's the 
evaporator design.  If you replace it, make SURE you get the all 
aluminum one, the one with copper pipes/aluminum body is the problem.  
They usually last around 200,000 miles.


However, there are a number of other things that can cause the AC to 
not work due to freon leakage, notably the pipe manifold on the 
compressor and the front seal on the compressor, along with failed 
hoses and corroded condensers.  Corrosion is a serious problem up north.


Only way to check to to pressurize and leak test.  The evaporator 
replacement is a PITA, but it's not that hard, just takes forever.  
Knock a couple thou off the offering price for a dead AC and run with 
it.  Chances are it's only a leak (check for deteriorated rubber in the 
compressor clutch).


I'd not pass a decent 300D with a replacement engine just because the 
AC  was toast.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Huh?

[Alan Duff]

Can you say "Pimp my Ride". It is lacking 20 inch tires though.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

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To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:25 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Huh?



Must be seen to be believed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Mercedes-190e-Custom-Kit-Car-Wide-Body-Lowrider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQitemZ7987055658QQrdZ1
Must be Friday.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

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Re: [MBZ] Huh?

[Mitch Haley]

Such a performance car. 2.3L, auto trans, wheel offset massively wrong, wind
resistance up 50%. To think somebody spent twice what the car was worth to
make it look like that. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7987055658

[MBZ] VW speeds

[RELNGSON]

> < pretty mild one, 0.90:1 as I recall.>>
> 
I owned two '56 Beetles and their flat out all day long top speed was 70mph. 
Top speed in third gear was rpm limited to 45mph. My two '59 KGs, one a cab, 
had the same performance numbers, if you could call it that.

R Ellingson/Seattle
> 
> 

Fwd: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[dfbb]

 
 
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Sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:37:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT

[Original message attached...]
--- Begin Message ---
 All,
 
I have a 1978 Mercedes 300CD Diesel.  I need some parts that I am having a hard 
time locating.
 
Attached is a picture of the black plastic cover that fits on the back of my 
power window switch on my console. This is the black plastic top part that 
fits/connects to the bottom cover. The top part (cover) and the bottom part 
contain the wire harness to my front power window switch.

Attached is the bottom part below: (I do not need the bottom part; I just need 
the above top cover to it.)

Can you sell me the top part covers or tell me where I can purchase them? I 
need 2 of them. How much would it cost? At the dealer, it costs only $2.00 per 
cover, but it is not in stock.
 
David
 
 
 
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Sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:19:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz 300D 5-Speed MANUAL / RARE '85, MINT


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Euan, 
> > Catching up on digest - forgive if already covered. 
> > I don't think that the estate engine was 'de-tuned' compared to the sedan. 
> > True, the SLS pump would be a parasitic loss that the sedan wouldn't have 
> > unless it had the SLS option. I think the bigger difference is the weight 
> > and the wind resistance. I would imagine that the wind resistance for the 
> > wagon is higher? 
> > During my highspeed run, I was quite suprised at the smoke trail, and 
> > feared that my oil consumption rate was too high at that speed for me to 
> > continue more than about 10 minutes. With wife, luggage and full tank, I've 
> > been able to easily cruise at 90 mph and touch 95 occasionally, but the car 
> > is much more stable and well behaved at ~85. I would suspect that your car 
> > is not performing at full potential - should be able to reach top speed 
> > with two souls on-board, full liquid load and a small amount of luggage 
> > (i.e. ready-to-drive condition). Did you have the AC cranking? Head wind 
> > would definitely have a large affect at high speed - most of the power 
> > required is going into overcoming wind resistance. 
> > Don, 
> > Yes, 4th gear has a higher top speed than 5th, officially noted in the 1985 
> > TDM. It's a small difference - something like 5 KPH, and due to the engines 
> > power band which puts the HP peak close to the max. RPM (4800 RPM HP peak 
> > IIRC, max. RPM 5050). 
 
The 123 wagon has lower drag/wind resistance than the sedan, but weighs 120 kg 
(264 lb) more. The two vehicles had exactly the same rated top speed (but the 
wagon's 0-62 mph acceleration time was more than a second slower). 
 
Marshall 
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'87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi 
  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection 
  http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Using Duty Cycle to Measure ECU Codes

[Marshall Booth]

John Peterson wrote:
I am using the Sears duty cycle meter ($29) to read ECU codes on my 
1990- trying to diagnose a no turbo boost situation.  I am putting the 
positive lead on the (+) of the battery and the (-) lead to terminal 
#4.  I am getting a 50% duty.  Are these the correct pins to use to read 
duty?  I have the MB manual of codes but I don't know which pins to read 
on.  Can anyone help?  Thanks Friends


All the information you can read (without a breakout box) is the number 
of pulses that can be read. It's covered in the manual 7.1-1120/pp 79-84 
(attached). I've never done this as there are no useful pulse codes 
available on any of MY '87 and earlier cars and don't know if a dwell 
meter can be used to read pulses (I've used a homemade led and counted 
pulses on other cars).


Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm


07.1-1120_602.96pulse.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [MBZ] Huh?

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Such a performance car. 2.3L, auto trans, wheel offset massively wrong, wind
> resistance up 50%. To think somebody spent twice what the car was worth to
> make it look like that. 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7987055658

Looks kinda like a bad 1970s movie car.

Re: [MBZ] Huh?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh boy

Rick Knoble wrote:


Must be seen to be believed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Mercedes-190e-Custom-Kit-Car-Wide-Body-Lowrider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQitemZ7987055658QQrdZ1
Must be Friday.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] Body-kitted 201

[RELNGSON]

Talk about missed opportunities. Here I spend eight days in Hershey PA two 
weeks back and I didn't know about this wonderful car. Having bought an '85 
190E 
new and suffered with it for 49800 miserable miles, I'd love to relive that 
period in my life.

R Ellingson/Seattle '01 C320

[MBZ] WAS: Using Duty Cycle to Measure ECU Codes

[John Peterson]

The analog "needle" meter worked fine- I got a 1 (no codes) and triple 
checked it by road testing and putting it up to 2200RPM a few times.  With 
the ignition in the "II" position I get a 7, which I am told is normal 
because one of the sensors does not read until the motor is actually 
running.


SO, it looks like there are no codes.  My symptoms are, nailing idle, lots 
of shake, and very poor performance, 5MPH on hills.


I have changed the pre and main fuel filters and the fuel thermostat, which 
was leaking.


I ran Moly purge through the tank.  I have the kit from PP to run through 
the injectors directly.


Do the symtoms above ring any bells?  Could the items be explained by a bad 
or clogged injector?


PS- no smoke seems to come from this 1990.  My 1991 whisps out when shifting 
hard.  This one feels fuel or air starved.


Thanks friends.

John Peterson
1990 300D 2.5 127k
1991 300D 2.5 73k


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From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using Duty Cycle to Measure ECU Codes



John Peterson wrote:

I am using the Sears duty cycle meter ($29) to read ECU codes on my
1990- trying to diagnose a no turbo boost situation.  I am putting the
positive lead on the (+) of the battery and the (-) lead to terminal
#4.  I am getting a 50% duty.  Are these the correct pins to use to read
duty?  I have the MB manual of codes but I don't know which pins to read
on.  Can anyone help?  Thanks Friends


All the information you can read (without a breakout box) is the number
of pulses that can be read. It's covered in the manual 7.1-1120/pp 79-84
(attached). I've never done this as there are no useful pulse codes
available on any of MY '87 and earlier cars and don't know if a dwell
meter can be used to read pulses (I've used a homemade led and counted
pulses on other cars).

Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm








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Re: [MBZ] Huh?

[Rich Thomas]

Ees muy bueno amigos!!!

--R

Rick Knoble wrote:


Must be seen to be believed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Mercedes-190e-Custom-Kit-Car-Wide-Body-Lowrider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQitemZ7987055658QQrdZ1
Must be Friday.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

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