Re: [MBZ] Cold weather vacuum leak

[archer]

archer wrote:
My '83 300D has a vacuum leak when the weather is cold, which stops when 
the
weather is warm.  The locks will operate when leaving the house, but 
after
driving 12 miles to town in the cold air, the locks will not work.  I'm 
not

sure which part to replace first in order to try and fix it.  Tracing the
leak by testing one section at a time was unsuccessful; probably because 
the
weather is not cold enough here in Florida to make it leak while the car 
is

not moving through the cold air.


Most vacuum leaks at rubber to plastic junctions only leak or leak much
worse when cold. Just isolate sections of the vacuum system and test
each section with a MityVac. When you find a leak, replace the piece of
rubber or plastic.
Marshall

-
Thanks, Marshall, I'll try that.
Gerry

Re: [MBZ] Source for glove box lid

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

would probably be a lot cheaper, although got alot going on and a big 
backlog on shipping.


Jim Cathey wrote:

Call Rusty - he can get LOTS of stuff that isn't on the website.


Or get a used one from Kleb.

-- Jim


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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That makes since, I have seen alot of 240D's with worn out engines, I 
guess because you have to rev the crap out them while going down the 
highway.


Zoltan Finks wrote:



 I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees
mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had read
something about freight train research that revealed something like 80% of
engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM range. This is what
reminded me of the question that I occasionally think about.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900
00 Honda CRV
68 Dodge Coronet 500
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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

509.26

Sunil Hari wrote:

Selling my 1992 300D 2.5T - it's a fantastic car, but it's too nice for me.
My plan is to downgrade to a 240D (the "student model" for a career
student).

Basics:  290Kmi, smoke silver (702) exterior, beige MB-Tex interior.

Details:  Everything works but the rear passenger overhead light.  Full
records until about 200Kmi.  290Kmi, new transmission at 200Kmi, valve job
and timing chain at ~250Kmi, new motor mounts and antenna at 286Kmi.
Complete suspension job done at 286Kmi.

Completely up to spec,  maintenance-item wise (air filter, oil = M1 5w-40,
oil filter, transmission fluid and filter, PS fluid and filter, and rear
differential oil.)

Even has Australian sheepskin seat covers (1" pile, black, might take with
me).  I have the original Mulrooney sticker - only options were the smoke
silver paint and the passenger airbag.

Sunroof, monowiper and ACC are perfect.  Converted to R-134 refrigerant; A/C
works great.  New A/C compressor installed in October.  Block heater works
great.  Just put in a new cruise control unit.  New rear brakes.  I'm the
third owner of the car.

Bad stuff - two dents on trunk.  Couple chips in the windshield.  Small door
dings on the rear passenger door.  No records from 200Kmi - 286Kmi (second
owner hasn't mailed me his records).  Rear overhead light doesn't work.
Front overhead light (one of them) is burned out.  Emergency brake doesn't
work.

MB-Tex is near perfect under the skins - two small gaps in the Tex (not all
the way through, just to the backing) in places you wouldn't see them if you
weren't looking on the driver's side; passenger seat is perfect.  Back seat
is perfect.  If you don't want them, I can keep the sheepskins.

Tires are in fine shape; I'd say around 50-75% left.  Just rotated them.  I
can get tread depths if you want.

Becker sounds great; had a new antenna mast put on 5000 miles ago.
Everything about it works perfectly.

I've had it garaged since I bought it; pictures were taken outdoor for
lighting.

Pictures at:

http://www.sunilhari.com/92%20benz

Email me with offers, please.


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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Help With WVO/SVO Web Sites, 85 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

We have a biodiesel list, your questions would probably be better 
answered there.


Tom Harruff wrote:

At today's MBCA Section Breakfast meeting I had a lady owner of an 85 300D 
asking questions about running her car on WVO or SVO.

I know some of you have been through the journey and could provide 
reverences/web sites of interest to this Mercedes owner.  Although she is in SW 
Florida (Naples area) I noted that her car had Pennsylvania plates so she is 
not a full time resident and therefore would likely need a conversion including 
a fuel pre-heater for the northern environs.

Please provide whatever reverences you feel are germane and I'll give them to 
her.  If anyone has documented your journey and would like to share, please 
provide.  I can be contacted off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks.

Tom Harruff
Naples, FL
1985 300Dt (Diesel Dolly)
1994 C280 (Wife's Car)
2000 Sedan Deville (Road Car)
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Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I didnt know your 240D was manny tranny, we should talk about that.

OK Don wrote:

What's the condition, or miles when replaced, of the belt tensioner
and the vacuum pump?

I think you're crazy for downgrading from this car to a 240D, but who
am I to judge?
Interested in trading for my '81 240D manual tranny car?



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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Noise from the rear

[Chris Kueny]

My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix' last 
year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with speed, and 
sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard acceleration, goes almost 
away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it also is loud, but somewhat 
different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be the wheel, and I am hoping someone 
will tell me it is obviously the flex disc,  The indy said my right rear brake 
was sticking, and rebuilt the caliper.  It sounds like it is coming from the 
passenger's side, but if it were the flex disk, is it possible that the muffler 
would shield that sound from the drivers side?  Last year I took a very good 
hard look and detected nothing out of order, hence the indy.  It started back 
shortly after I got it back, then went away for most of the summer/fall.  
Anyone have an idea?  Or some tests I can do to narrow down the problem?  
Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.

Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
78 Chevy Custom deluxe
'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback
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Why is that?  What all is different between the early and later ones?

Marshall Booth wrote:
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
>> Hm
>>
>> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/264576261.html
>>
>
> A 2.5 engine can't be tucked into an '84-'85 2.2 chassis without a lot
> of welding and sheet metal work.
>
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Mike Canfield]

I'll beat that with $510 even and lunch when you drive it here..LOL

Mike
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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



509.26

Sunil Hari wrote:
Selling my 1992 300D 2.5T - it's a fantastic car, but it's too nice for 
me.

My plan is to downgrade to a 240D (the "student model" for a career
student).

Basics:  290Kmi, smoke silver (702) exterior, beige MB-Tex interior.

Details:  Everything works but the rear passenger overhead light.  Full
records until about 200Kmi.  290Kmi, new transmission at 200Kmi, valve 
job

and timing chain at ~250Kmi, new motor mounts and antenna at 286Kmi.
Complete suspension job done at 286Kmi.

Completely up to spec,  maintenance-item wise (air filter, oil = M1 
5w-40,

oil filter, transmission fluid and filter, PS fluid and filter, and rear
differential oil.)

Even has Australian sheepskin seat covers (1" pile, black, might take 
with

me).  I have the original Mulrooney sticker - only options were the smoke
silver paint and the passenger airbag.

Sunroof, monowiper and ACC are perfect.  Converted to R-134 refrigerant; 
A/C
works great.  New A/C compressor installed in October.  Block heater 
works

great.  Just put in a new cruise control unit.  New rear brakes.  I'm the
third owner of the car.

Bad stuff - two dents on trunk.  Couple chips in the windshield.  Small 
door
dings on the rear passenger door.  No records from 200Kmi - 286Kmi 
(second

owner hasn't mailed me his records).  Rear overhead light doesn't work.
Front overhead light (one of them) is burned out.  Emergency brake 
doesn't

work.

MB-Tex is near perfect under the skins - two small gaps in the Tex (not 
all
the way through, just to the backing) in places you wouldn't see them if 
you
weren't looking on the driver's side; passenger seat is perfect.  Back 
seat

is perfect.  If you don't want them, I can keep the sheepskins.

Tires are in fine shape; I'd say around 50-75% left.  Just rotated them. 
I

can get tread depths if you want.

Becker sounds great; had a new antenna mast put on 5000 miles ago.
Everything about it works perfectly.

I've had it garaged since I bought it; pictures were taken outdoor for
lighting.

Pictures at:

http://www.sunilhari.com/92%20benz

Email me with offers, please.


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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody Did Somebody Wrong....

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so what did it say, its taken down now

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:19:10 -0700 "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is kind of odd.can this dude do this?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/270469359.html


Well, he did it.

The real point is, "Can he get away with it?" I'm not an attorney and
don't even play one on TV, but it seems he is skating on thin ice. And if
craigslist doesn't like it, they can take it down with no recourse to him.


Craig

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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 vs 123 Gearbox

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no and no

Peter Merle wrote:

Are the 4 speed gearboxes of the W123 and W124 series the same ? Furthur
can One use  a W124 230E gearbox in a W123 300D?
Peter 


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 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Noise from the rear

[tom savage]

Chris Kueny wrote:

My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix' last 
year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with speed, and 
sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard acceleration, goes almost 
away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it also is loud, but somewhat 
different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be the wheel, and I am hoping someone 
will tell me it is obviously the flex disc,  The indy said my right rear brake 
was sticking, and rebuilt the caliper.  It sounds like it is coming from the 
passenger's side, but if it were the flex disk, is it possible that the muffler 
would shield that sound from the drivers side?  Last year I took a very good 
hard look and detected nothing out of order, hence the indy.  It started back 
shortly after I got it back, then went away for most of the summer/fall.  
Anyone have an idea?  Or some tests I can do to narrow down the problem?  
Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.


Sure sounds like a flex disc, or maybe the center carrier bearing?  You 
didn't mention getting under there yourself recently for a good 
look-see; I'd do so quickly as a busted flex disc will ruin your entire 
day (and car.)  See 
http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm for what 
to look for and a good scarin'.  A bad differential mount can cause 
clunking noises as well, but yours sounds worse than that.  Cars can 
play lots of acoustical games; you might be chasing your tail 
pinpointing it by ear.


Tom

Re: [MBZ] 1997 E320

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Report Run Date: 02/01/2007
 Vehicle Description:  WDBJF55F7VA403678
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 VIN:  WDBJF55F7VA403678
 Year:  1997
 Make:  Mercedes-Benz
 Model:  E Class E320
 Style/Body:  5 Passenger 4 Dr Sedan
 Engine:  3.2L I 6 NA OHV Gas EFI
 Country of Assembly:  Germany



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Re: [MBZ] Noise from the rear

[Werner Fehlauer]

Chris - not sure how much different that car is from my '90 124 2.5, but I 
had a loud noise, intermittently, that became more frequent over several 
months.  All due to a worn CV joint. The noise seems to be slow but 
proportional to wheel rotation; it would be about 3 times faster if it was 
related to the flex disc.  The good news is that the noise can go on for 
quite a while before it becomes a significant mechanical problem; you will 
probably want to fix it as the noise can get quite loud.  It is load 
sensitive, in that mine went away when coasting, and was loudest on 
acceleration.  You should carefully inspect the rubber boots, and if 
cracked, then a replacement is necessary.  Once dirt gets in or the lube 
gets out, its the end of smooth CV joint operation.
For my 124, Rusty sells a new half shaft assembly (has 2 CV joints), for 
under $400.  You might be able to confirm the problem by pulling the half 
shaft first towards the differential, drive in a straight line listening for 
the noise, and then moving the shaft in the opposite direction and 
repeating.
One caution if you do have to replace the half shaft:  mine had socket head 
bolts, that REQUIRED a 10mm TriSquare bit, firmly tapped in, to remove. 
Easiest access to these 6 bolts was by way of a long extension from outside 
the rear wheel hub, so that you have plenty of room to use a big breaker 
bar.  Do NOT try and loosen this kind of bolt with a Torx bit:  it will not 
fit properly, and you can  end up with a stripped out bolt.  FYI, the 
replacement bolts from Rusty have external flutes, that a Torx socket WILL 
fit.  Oh, and the axle shaft nut at the hub should be replaced with a new 
one, also as it is bent to lock when tight.


Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Kueny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Noise from the rear


My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix' 
last year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with 
speed, and sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard 
acceleration, goes almost away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it 
also is loud, but somewhat different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be 
the wheel, and I am hoping someone will tell me it is obviously the flex 
disc,  The indy said my right rear brake was sticking, and rebuilt the 
caliper.  It sounds like it is coming from the passenger's side, but if it 
were the flex disk, is it possible that the muffler would shield that 
sound from the drivers side?  Last year I took a very good hard look and 
detected nothing out of order, hence the indy.  It started back shortly 
after I got it back, then went away for most of the summer/fall.  Anyone 
have an idea?  Or some tests I can do to narrow down the problem?  Thanks 
in advance for any and all suggestions.


Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
78 Chevy Custom deluxe
'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes- Benz - $2000 (Wellesley Hills)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

any other yoohoo people getting this?

Marshall Booth wrote:

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This seems to be a "scrubbed" report similar to the one that Glenn 
Brown's posts produce. What is similar about them? Doesn't SEEM to be 
the internet provider (Glenn is served by NetZero I think).


Marshall



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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well yea, of course its worth more in parts.  Think is, parting out a 
perfectly good otherwise car reduces the number of cars in circulation. 
 Pretty soon there wont be too many and they will get expensive.  But, 
thats just me.


Sunil Hari wrote:

because i have no desire to drive another automatic 300D - and it would be
worth more in parts than as a running car.  esp. when a tranny issue could
cost thousands.




--
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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There is a lot more work than you might think in parting out a car 
properly.  Then there is the storage of the parts, identifying what all 
cars a certain part will fit, collecting payment, packing and shipping 
the part etc.


Sunil Hari wrote:

right, but i just don't have the time to mess with diagnosis and replacement
of a transmission in a $500 car that I don't need.  But given the low
interest in parts from this car (e.g. seats, wood trim, engine, turbo, etc)
I'm probably goign to pass.

That, and the guy hasn't emailed me back.


On 2/1/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


because i have no desire to drive another automatic 300D - and it
would be worth more in parts than as a running car.  esp. when a
tranny issue could cost thousands.

Is there a chance it's just the B2 piston issue -- the repair kit is
pretty cheap and it is not that hard to install (I have a writeup
somewhere that I created when I fixed mine, which I can remail to the
list if anyone wants it)

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Noise from the rear

[Marshall Booth]

Chris Kueny wrote:

My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix' last 
year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with speed, and 
sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard acceleration, goes almost 
away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it also is loud, but somewhat 
different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be the wheel, and I am hoping someone 
will tell me it is obviously the flex disc,  The indy said my right rear brake 
was sticking, and rebuilt the caliper.  It sounds like it is coming from the 
passenger's side, but if it were the flex disk, is it possible that the muffler 
would shield that sound from the drivers side?  Last year I took a very good 
hard look and detected nothing out of order, hence the indy.  It started back 
shortly after I got it back, then went away for most of the summer/fall.  
Anyone have an idea?  Or some tests I can do to narrow down the problem?  
Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.



Noises that come or go with acceleration/deceleration, but don't change 
much when turning are usually the drive line/shaft. Could be the flex 
discs, center bearing or mount OR the "U" joint.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, I will do 526 but that does not include lunch, only a soda when you 
arrive.


Mike Canfield wrote:

I'll beat that with $510 even and lunch when you drive it here..LOL

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



509.26




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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Marshall Booth]

Zoltan Finks wrote:



 I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees
mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had read
something about freight train research that revealed something like 80% of
engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM range. This is what
reminded me of the question that I occasionally think about.


I always do that with my freight trains! Doesn't seem applicable to my 
cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Marshall Booth wrote:

Zoltan Finks wrote:


 I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees
mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had read
something about freight train research that revealed something like 80% of
engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM range. This is what
reminded me of the question that I occasionally think about.


I always do that with my freight trains! Doesn't seem applicable to my 
cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.


Marshall


--
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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Mike Canfield]

Agreed Kaleb!!  People think parting out a car is so freakin 
easy...Just pull a few parts and throw them on E-bay.If 
you've never done it get ready for a surprize when parting a car turns into 
a 40 hour a week job for a month.  Just providing shipping quotes to non 
buyers can be a very demanding task if you have no idea who to contact and 
who will ship what.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale



There is a lot more work than you might think in parting out a car
properly.  Then there is the storage of the parts, identifying what all
cars a certain part will fit, collecting payment, packing and shipping
the part etc.

Sunil Hari wrote:
right, but i just don't have the time to mess with diagnosis and 
replacement

of a transmission in a $500 car that I don't need.  But given the low
interest in parts from this car (e.g. seats, wood trim, engine, turbo, 
etc)

I'm probably goign to pass.

That, and the guy hasn't emailed me back.


On 2/1/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


because i have no desire to drive another automatic 300D - and it
would be worth more in parts than as a running car.  esp. when a
tranny issue could cost thousands.

Is there a chance it's just the B2 piston issue -- the repair kit is
pretty cheap and it is not that hard to install (I have a writeup
somewhere that I created when I fixed mine, which I can remail to the
list if anyone wants it)

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] PHX 190D 2.5 5 speed sort of

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Why is that?  What all is different between the early and later ones?

Marshall Booth wrote:


A 2.5 engine can't be tucked into an '84-'85 2.2 chassis without a lot 
of welding and sheet metal work.


The OM602 2.5 diesel and the M103 2.6 gasoline engines are longer than 
the space in the '84-'85 chassis have room for!! The 86 chassis (at 
least some of them - not sure that any/all of the 4 cylinder chassis 
were changed) were redesigned to allow the 5 and 6 cylinder engines to fit.


Marshall
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Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Werner Fehlauer]

Aw come on, youse guys - give the guy a break!  Its worth at least 625! (and 
I'll throw in a Philly Cheese Steak if he delivers!)


Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



OK, I will do 526 but that does not include lunch, only a soda when you
arrive.

Mike Canfield wrote:

I'll beat that with $510 even and lunch when you drive it here..LOL

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



509.26




--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Then there is the little details, such as, where to get a constant 
supply of boxes.  Sometimes its hard rounding up that perfect box to 
ship that item.


Mike Canfield wrote:
Agreed Kaleb!!  People think parting out a car is so freakin 
easy...Just pull a few parts and throw them on E-bay.If 
you've never done it get ready for a surprize when parting a car turns into 
a 40 hour a week job for a month.  Just providing shipping quotes to non 
buyers can be a very demanding task if you have no idea who to contact and 
who will ship what.


Mike


--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Tom Hargrave]

Marshall,

I mentioned this fact, in detail, in an earlier email.

An engine only wears substantially faster at heavy load if the load is over
stressing the engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

Zoltan Finks wrote:

> 
>  I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees
> mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had read
> something about freight train research that revealed something like 80% of
> engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM range. This is what
> reminded me of the question that I occasionally think about.

I always do that with my freight trains! Doesn't seem applicable to my 
cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.

Marshall
-- 
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D

[Mike Canfield]

I'll tell ya whatI'll do $550 and you talk Kaleb into buying us both 
lunch for saving him the trouble...


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



OK, I will do 526 but that does not include lunch, only a soda when you
arrive.

Mike Canfield wrote:

I'll beat that with $510 even and lunch when you drive it here..LOL

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] selling my 300D



509.26




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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] Noise from the rear

[Paul Nelson]

That's about the funniest subject line I've seen in a long time.  Thanks for
the laugh. 

Paul

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Chris Kueny
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Noise from the rear


My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix'
last year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with speed,
and sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard acceleration, goes
almost away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it also is loud, but
somewhat different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be the wheel, and I am
hoping someone will tell me it is obviously the flex disc,  The indy said my
right rear brake was sticking, and rebuilt the caliper.  It sounds like it
is coming from the passenger's side, but if it were the flex disk, is it
possible that the muffler would shield that sound from the drivers side?
Last year I took a very good hard look and detected nothing out of order,
hence the indy.  It started back shortly after I got it back, then went away
for most of the summer/fall.  Anyone have an idea?  Or some tests I can do
to narrow down the problem?  Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.

Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
78 Chevy Custom deluxe
'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback
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Re: [MBZ] What is a Truck? OT Here is a real truck.....

[OK Don]

That looks a LOT like the Dodge WWII field ambulance we had in our
Civil Air Patrol Squadron when I was in HS. Not fast, would would go
anywhere.

On 2/1/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here are a couple pics of my daily driven 68 Dodge M37 with it's whopping
78HP flathead 6.  ;>)  This is what I think a TRUCK is.  Trucks today
aren't even in the same leagueLOL  Of course not everyone is up to the
maintenance required to run a truck like this daily or has the desire to
take twice as long to get where you're going.

Mike
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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[OK Don]

Aren't you still in Med school? It will take much more time to part it
out than to fix it.

On 2/1/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

right, but i just don't have the time to mess with diagnosis and replacement
of a transmission in a $500 car that I don't need.  But given the low
interest in parts from this car (e.g. seats, wood trim, engine, turbo, etc)
I'm probably goign to pass.



--
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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Ed Booher]

On 2/1/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

right, but i just don't have the time to mess with diagnosis and replacement
of a transmission in a $500 car that I don't need.  But given the low
interest in parts from this car (e.g. seats, wood trim, engine, turbo, etc)
I'm probably goign to pass.

That, and the guy hasn't emailed me back.


Is this the guy that has a veggie oil tank in the trunk?

--
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody Did Somebody Wrong....

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:28:16 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> so what did it say, its taken down now

Something along the lines of, "So-and-so's business did me wrong -- don't
patronize them, they're creeps."


Craig

Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Peter Merle]

I wonder how one would define "overstressing". Its interesting that in
the OM617 engine power and fuel consumption curve ( document designed
for the installation of stationary Om617's ) it states words to the
effect that one should not exceed 3600 and go below 1500 rpm for
continiously.
Peter
 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 February 2007 04:02 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine


Marshall,

I mentioned this fact, in detail, in an earlier email.

An engine only wears substantially faster at heavy load if the load is
over stressing the engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

Zoltan Finks wrote:

> 
>  I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees 
> mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had 
> read something about freight train research that revealed something 
> like 80% of engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM 
> range. This is what reminded me of the question that I occasionally 
> think about.

I always do that with my freight trains! Doesn't seem applicable to my 
cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.

Marshall
-- 
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[MBZ] EPC NET

[Peter Merle]

Can one look up part prices and availability and superceeded parts with
the EPC NET online? Has only subscribed to the service?
EPC Net for those who don't know is a Java application that runs on your
PC when connected to DC's parts computer which assists you in looking up
Mercedes part numbers. See www.startekinfo.com
Peter

Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Mike Canfield]

Here's a tip on that line.Use 5 gallon buckets with lids from Wally 
World for 4 bucks..Many greasy nasty things fit well in them and the 
customer gets a free bolt bucket.Beats trying to get a steering gear 
or a diff. to stay in cardboard.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale



Then there is the little details, such as, where to get a constant
supply of boxes.  Sometimes its hard rounding up that perfect box to
ship that item.

Mike Canfield wrote:

Agreed Kaleb!!  People think parting out a car is so freakin
easy...Just pull a few parts and throw them on E-bay.If
you've never done it get ready for a surprize when parting a car turns 
into

a 40 hour a week job for a month.  Just providing shipping quotes to non
buyers can be a very demanding task if you have no idea who to contact 
and

who will ship what.

Mike


--
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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale

[Sunil Hari]

eh, to hell with it - too much work. I'm putting in 60-80 hours a week at
the hospital, and I don't have time for another car.

On 2/2/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's a tip on that line.Use 5 gallon buckets with lids from Wally
World for 4 bucks..Many greasy nasty things fit well in them and the
customer gets a free bolt bucket.Beats trying to get a steering
gear
or a diff. to stay in cardboard.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale


> Then there is the little details, such as, where to get a constant
> supply of boxes.  Sometimes its hard rounding up that perfect box to
> ship that item.
>
> Mike Canfield wrote:
>> Agreed Kaleb!!  People think parting out a car is so freakin
>> easy...Just pull a few parts and throw them on E-bay.If
>> you've never done it get ready for a surprize when parting a car turns
>> into
>> a 40 hour a week job for a month.  Just providing shipping quotes to
non
>> buyers can be a very demanding task if you have no idea who to contact
>> and
>> who will ship what.
>>
>> Mike
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
>  81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] What is a Truck? OT Here is a real truck.....

[Mike Canfield]

Don,
 That would be the M43...The same basic truck with a bit more wheelbase 
and an enclosed body...Like you saidSlow as snails.  Don't sink one 
in a mudhole.It will be better left there for a bridge piling as a D9 
will have a rough time dragging it out...LOL


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a Truck? OT Here is a real truck.



That looks a LOT like the Dodge WWII field ambulance we had in our
Civil Air Patrol Squadron when I was in HS. Not fast, would would go
anywhere.

On 2/1/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here are a couple pics of my daily driven 68 Dodge M37 with it's whopping
78HP flathead 6.  ;>)  This is what I think a TRUCK is.  Trucks today
aren't even in the same leagueLOL  Of course not everyone is up to 
the

maintenance required to run a truck like this daily or has the desire to
take twice as long to get where you're going.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] RPM consistency and longevity of engine

[Tom Hargrave]

The two limits are probably for optimum fuel consumption. The cam in a
stationary engine has a favorable RPM range.

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I wonder how one would define "overstressing". Its interesting that in
the OM617 engine power and fuel consumption curve ( document designed
for the installation of stationary Om617's ) it states words to the
effect that one should not exceed 3600 and go below 1500 rpm for
continiously.
Peter
 

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Marshall,

I mentioned this fact, in detail, in an earlier email.

An engine only wears substantially faster at heavy load if the load is
over stressing the engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Zoltan Finks wrote:

> 
>  I read that article on million-mile cars and one of the interviewees 
> mentioned that he likes to keep his speed down on the freeway. He had 
> read something about freight train research that revealed something 
> like 80% of engine wear ocurred in the top 20% of the engine's RPM 
> range. This is what reminded me of the question that I occasionally 
> think about.

I always do that with my freight trains! Doesn't seem applicable to my 
cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.

Marshall
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[MBZ] OT: Real trucks

[Curt Raymond]

Next time I'm out your way I'll stop by for a ride...

-Curt

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THANKS CURT!!  

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Wise choice Sunil..You could pull the tranny, rebuild it yourself 
and sell the car for more in less time than it would take to part it with a 
busy schedule such as yours.  It IS really amazing how much time it can take 
to part out one whole car...Then you have the carcass to get rid of...
  Does the car still have the VO conversion or did it not ever have one?

Mike
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> eh, to hell with it - too much work. I'm putting in 60-80 hours a week at
> the hospital, and I don't have time for another car.
>
> On 2/2/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Here's a tip on that line.Use 5 gallon buckets with lids from Wally
>> World for 4 bucks..Many greasy nasty things fit well in them and the
>> customer gets a free bolt bucket.Beats trying to get a steering
>> gear
>> or a diff. to stay in cardboard.
>>
>> Mike
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>>
>> > Then there is the little details, such as, where to get a constant
>> > supply of boxes.  Sometimes its hard rounding up that perfect box to
>> > ship that item.
>> >
>> > Mike Canfield wrote:
>> >> Agreed Kaleb!!  People think parting out a car is so freakin
>> >> easy...Just pull a few parts and throw them on 
>> >> E-bay.If
>> >> you've never done it get ready for a surprize when parting a car turns
>> >> into
>> >> a 40 hour a week job for a month.  Just providing shipping quotes to
>> non
>> >> buyers can be a very demanding task if you have no idea who to contact
>> >> and
>> >> who will ship what.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
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[MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

[Curt Raymond]

Driving home last night I stopped at Home Depot and noticed the rear passenger 
side of the car behind the rear wheel was wet with fuel.
I thought that was odd but though it made the hard starting I've had recently 
make sense. The car doesn't actually start hard but it needs some throttle 
input for the first 30-40 seconds of running to keep running. I'd been passing 
that off with the cold but lately decided maybe the fuel filters needed 
changing. I figured a fuel leak would fit the bill, air gets into the line 
while the engine is shut off right?
Well I went out and checked it a few minutes ago because apparently as I left 
work last night I left a literal shower of fuel. At first I thought I'd forgot 
to put the fuel cap on when I filled up yesterday but its there.
The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap, the area under the filler 
door is wet with fuel, and theres a trail down the side of the car from the 
filler door.

I'm thinking to replace the fuel cap gasket but it looks okay... Of course the 
one on the oil cap looked okay last year when I replaced it, but it was leaking 
a river...

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Heck, Stop in for a drive.It's a load of fun to drive.  

Just let me know when

Later, Mike
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> 
> Next time I'm out your way I'll stop by for a ride...
> 
> -Curt
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> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:07:37 -0500
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes- Benz - $2000 (Wellesley Hills)

[Curt Raymond]

I don't seem to be... Yahoo made a change about 3 months ago that screws up 
line breaks when I type (as in there aren't any) but thats pretty minor.

-Curt

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any other yoohoo people getting this?

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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap, the area under
> the filler door is wet with fuel, and theres a trail down the side
> of the car from the filler door.

Don't recall what car you have, but in my '83 300D, it is possible to
get the cap on in such a way that it turns and stops, and LOOKS like
it's on, but it's not really seated.  Then anytime you make a left
turn with a full tank, the fuel will escape from under the cap, run
down the side of the car, and also down the drain tube which will dump
it on the ground behind the tire.

I always double check now that the cap is properly seated after I
refuel.

Allan
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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Somebody Did Somebody Wrong....

[Bob Rentfro]

It was some guy saying how crooked and awful World Motors here in PHX was.
It was kind of funnya typical poorly worded rant from someone who 
thought they got rooked.


It looks like either World Motors or CL got it removed.

Bob R

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so what did it say, its taken down now

Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:19:10 -0700 "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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This is kind of odd.can this dude do this?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/270469359.html


Well, he did it.

The real point is, "Can he get away with it?" I'm not an attorney and
don't even play one on TV, but it seems he is skating on thin ice. And if
craigslist doesn't like it, they can take it down with no recourse to 
him.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of safety...

[Bob Rentfro]

He didn't recover...his career is zehr uber.

Bob R

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When he recovers, the owner will take up a new career as a stunt car 
driver.


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Rich Thomas wrote:
> A woman in Texas drove her S430 over her 6 ft husband, and she escaped
> injury, but not fromjury!
>

"Unlike any other."


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Re: [MBZ] Noise from the rear

[ts]

Check your propeller shaft intermediate bearing, rubber around bearing wears 
and can make funny noise when coasting.  Just changed mine out/Tom
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My 1985 300TD has a noise coming from the rear, which I had my indy 'fix' 
last year.  It has the following traits:  It is clearly in time with 
speed, and sounds like hammering.  It is most pronounced on hard 
acceleration, goes almost away while coasting, and if I decelerate, it 
also is loud, but somewhat different.  Finally, it seems too slow to be 
the wheel, and I am hoping someone will tell me it is obviously the flex 
disc,  The indy said my right rear brake was sticking, and rebuilt the 
caliper.  It sounds like it is coming from the passenger's side, but if it 
were the flex disk, is it possible that the muffler would shield that 
sound from the drivers side?  Last year I took a very good hard look and 
detected nothing out of order, hence the indy.  It started back shortly 
after I got it back, then went away for most of the summer/fall.  Anyone 
have an idea?  Or some tests I can do to narrow down the problem?  Thanks 
in advance for any and all suggestions.


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[MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Christopher McCann]

I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some other  
accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting by  putting a 
load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't get  electricity.
  
  BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing that 
this does not hold for our older cars...
  
  Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning and  the 
300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D (1982)  seems to start 
nearly all the time at any temp with no block heater.
  
  Can someone help me understand this? 
  
  Thanks,
  
  Chris
  
  
  

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Wuh  Maybe I'm missing something I'm not familiar with, but I think
someone's either feeding you a line, or you're misinterpreting something...

If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going to
do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
battery.  Not that it should be any problem, but technically speaking...
The alternator should charge the battery either way...

Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the
lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...

There is that thought that turning the lights on BEFORE you start the car
gets the battery's chemistry moving to give you a little more oomph for
cranking.  But I've never completely bought into that(never done it for that
matter) and it's a moot point on anything with glow plugs anyway...

Levi (:

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> other  accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting
> by  putting a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't
> get  electricity.
>
>   BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing
> that this does not hold for our older cars...
>
>   Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning
> and  the 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D
> (1982)  seems to start nearly all the time at any temp with no block heater.
>
>   Can someone help me understand this?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
> -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
> -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
> -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"
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Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Christopher McCann]

I am DEFINITELY not misinterpreting what this guy (who, otherwise knows  quite 
a bit about cars, raced cars, built race cars, does all his  repairs, etc). 
We've had this argument SEVERAL times.
  
  
If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going 
to do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
battery
  THAT is exactly my reasoning with this guy and he insists  otherwise...but 
it's not just him, OTHER people have made the same  argument that he is making.
  
  Chris
  
  

Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Wuh  Maybe I'm missing something I'm 
not familiar with, but I think
someone's either feeding you a line, or you're misinterpreting something...

If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going to
do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
battery.  Not that it should be any problem, but technically speaking...
The alternator should charge the battery either way...

Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the
lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...

There is that thought that turning the lights on BEFORE you start the car
gets the battery's chemistry moving to give you a little more oomph for
cranking.  But I've never completely bought into that(never done it for that
matter) and it's a moot point on anything with glow plugs anyway...

Levi (:

On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some
> other  accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting
> by  putting a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't
> get  electricity.
>
>   BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing
> that this does not hold for our older cars...
>
>   Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning
> and  the 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D
> (1982)  seems to start nearly all the time at any temp with no block heater.
>
>   Can someone help me understand this?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
> -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
> -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
> -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"
>
> -
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

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a fuel leak would fit the bill, air gets into the line while the 
engine is shut off right?

The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap...


Just 'cause you have a cap leak does _not_ mean you don't also
have another leak somewhere else!

-- Jim

[MBZ] Oil is Killing our Cars....comments anyone?...esp. regarding Mobil 1

[Christopher McCann]

http://www.svmgcc.org/tech_tips/oil_is_killing.htm
  
  Thanks!
  
  Chris
  
  
  

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> Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the
> lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
> more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...

Unless the voltage regulator in the car is doing something weird,
this makes no sense to me.  Voltage is all that is going to determine
how fast the battery charges.  If putting an 8A load on makes the
voltage kick _up_, however, then there would be something to that.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Werner Fehlauer]

Chris - that sounds like a stretch from abstract theory to the real world. 
An alternator can only put out a limited number of Amperes, and if the 
lights are on, they will consume some of that current.  I suspect that if 
the battery was fully charged so that the terminal Voltage was high, thereby 
"telling" the regulator to reduce the alternator output, then lowering of 
the terminal Voltage by putting a drain on the system (lights on) might 
increase the Amperes coming into the system.  However as a practical matter, 
after starting the engine (especially a Diesel with glow plugs), the battery 
is not fully charged, so the alternator/regulator system will be doing its 
best to send Amperes to the battery.  Therefore, shunting some of those 
Amperes to the lights will do nothing to help the battery.


(Oh, BTW - what kind of vehicle is a "2006 GSD"?)

Werner

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Subject: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on


I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some other 
accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting by  putting 
a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't get 
electricity.


 BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing 
that this does not hold for our older cars...


 Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning and  the 
300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D (1982)  seems to 
start nearly all the time at any temp with no block heater.


 Can someone help me understand this?

 Thanks,

 Chris




Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
-2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
-1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"

Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Christopher McCann]

with a 6 block commute - and no other driving - I will wear a battery  down - 
faster or slower - depending on temp. But fluctuating temp  really throws a big 
variable into that test.
  
  CM

Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Well, I guess the real answer is this.  
How many times do you not have your
lights on and then find your battery wasn't charged enough?
If you can do this frequently, then try turning your lights on and see if it
helps any  (:

Levi

On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> I am DEFINITELY not misinterpreting what this guy (who, otherwise
> knows  quite a bit about cars, raced cars, built race cars, does all
> his  repairs, etc). We've had this argument SEVERAL times.
>
>
> If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going
> to do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
> lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
> battery
>   THAT is exactly my reasoning with this guy and he
> insists  otherwise...but it's not just him, OTHER people have made the
> same  argument that he is making.
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
> Levi Smith  wrote:  Wuh  Maybe I'm missing
> something I'm not familiar with, but I think
> someone's either feeding you a line, or you're misinterpreting
> something...
>
> If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going to
> do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
> lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
> battery.  Not that it should be any problem, but technically speaking...
> The alternator should charge the battery either way...
>
> Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the
> lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
> more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...
>
> There is that thought that turning the lights on BEFORE you start the car
> gets the battery's chemistry moving to give you a little more oomph for
> cranking.  But I've never completely bought into that(never done it for
> that
> matter) and it's a moot point on anything with glow plugs anyway...
>
> Levi (:
>
> On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
> >
> > I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some
> > other  accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting
> > by  putting a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't
> > get  electricity.
> >
> >   BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing
> > that this does not hold for our older cars...
> >
> >   Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning
> > and  the 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D
> > (1982)  seems to start nearly all the time at any temp with no block
> heater.
> >
> >   Can someone help me understand this?
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >
> >   Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> > -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
> > -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
> > -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
> > -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"
> >
> > -
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Re: [MBZ] Oil is Killing our Cars....comments anyone?...esp. regarding Mobil 1

[Jim Cathey]

http://www.svmgcc.org/tech_tips/oil_is_killing.htm


I can believe it!  The 'mass market' is not much interested in
cars even five years old.

I use Delo in everything, and have for years.

-- Jim

[MBZ] WOW!

[Donald Snook]

I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of a
VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was a
very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
everyone would appreciate it)  

 

He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said he
would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they way
I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 134K 

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[Sunil Hari]

GO FOR IT!  You'll never see another like it.

On 2/2/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of a
VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was a
very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
everyone would appreciate it)



He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said he
would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they way
I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 134K

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Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[R A Bennell]

Reminds me of the Garrison Keiller (spelling?) routine or comment or whatever 
you want to call it about people
being so proud that they had never gone anywhere. I'm not sure but I think it 
was in one of the Lake Wobygon
(spelling again?) books where he talks about some fellow who was so proud of 
his old car with no miles on it.

You sort of have to wonder how he could have an 84 with that few miles on it.

However, having said that, I have to admit that I have a 68 Chevy pickup that I 
have owned for more than 20 years.
In that time I have only put about 14K miles on it. It was never a daily 
driver. It was a backup vehicle and a
hauler when we needed to pickup something. It sat beside the garage for most of 
the time during all of those years
and now it is sitting out at the lake because I don't have enough room for it 
at home.


Randy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:18 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] WOW!


I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of a
VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was a
very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
everyone would appreciate it)



He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said he
would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they way
I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 134K

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[MBZ] bought new car

[Dave Wakin]

In the local paper today is a one-owner 1984 300D with 23,000 miles,Charcoal 
grey color with the grey/black interior for $1,200.00


Just called the guy and bought it over the phone, picking it up tonight. 
Apparently he is moving to Florida and taking his minivan. Guy kept calling 
me Don and kept talking about when I meet him at the bank. I went along with 
it because apparently this Don guy had first dibs.


Happy Friday :)

Dave (Don) Wakin

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[degcoast]

That's better than watching the obituaries.
Dwight Giles
 Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of a
> VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
> minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
> about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
> We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
> He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
> was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
> PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
> I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
> I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
> that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
> anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was a
> very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
> everyone would appreciate it)  
> 
>  
> 
> He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
> smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
> talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
> because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
> take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
> second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said he
> would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
> someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
> done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they way
> I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car. 
> 
>  
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 1990 300SEL 134K 
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Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
Wickford, RI

Re: [MBZ] bought new car

[Richard Hattaway]

Hey Dave,

Was that your new car I saw down at the credit union.

That thing is absolutely beautiful.  I am jealous.

Please drop over sometime and take me for a ride.

Thanks

Richard


--- Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In the local paper today is a one-owner 1984 300D with 23,000
> miles,Charcoal 
> grey color with the grey/black interior for $1,200.00
> 
> Just called the guy and bought it over the phone, picking it up
> tonight. 
> Apparently he is moving to Florida and taking his minivan. Guy kept
> calling 
> me Don and kept talking about when I meet him at the bank. I went
> along with 
> it because apparently this Don guy had first dibs.
> 
> Happy Friday :)
> 
> Dave (Don) Wakin
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[degcoast]

Looks like Moose Day is underway.
Dwight Giles
 Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> In the local paper today is a one-owner 1984 300D with 23,000 miles,Charcoal 
> grey color with the grey/black interior for $1,200.00
> 
> Just called the guy and bought it over the phone, picking it up tonight. 
> Apparently he is moving to Florida and taking his minivan. Guy kept calling 
> me Don and kept talking about when I meet him at the bank. I went along with 
> it because apparently this Don guy had first dibs.
> 
> Happy Friday :)
> 
> Dave (Don) Wakin
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Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[Donald Snook]

Yea. Maybe I should just hang out at the bank looking for old guys in
nice benzes.  

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That's better than watching the obituaries.
Dwight Giles
 Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of
a
> VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
> minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
> about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
> We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
> He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
> was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
> PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
> I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
> I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
> that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
> anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was
a
> very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
> everyone would appreciate it)  
> 
>  
> 
> He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
> smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
> talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
> because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
> take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
> second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said
he
> would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
> someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
> done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they
way
> I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car. 
> 
>  
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] bought new car

[Donald Snook]

Dave Wakin wrote: 

 

"In the local paper today is a one-owner 1984 300D with 23,000
miles,Charcoal 

grey color with the grey/black interior for $1,200.00

 

Just called the guy and bought it over the phone, picking it up tonight.


Apparently he is moving to Florida and taking his minivan. Guy kept
calling 

me Don and kept talking about when I meet him at the bank. I went along
with 

it because apparently this Don guy had first dibs." 

 

That made me laugh! Thanks!  Something like that will probably happen or
some family member will say, "Gee Grampa that sure is nice car, that
would make a great car for me to take to College (so I can mistreat it
and never take care of it and forget to change the oil and blow it up
while I am away at Booger State University."   

 

Donald H. Snook

300SEL 134K 

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[Jim Cathey]

Yea. Maybe I should just hang out at the bank looking for old guys in
nice benzes.


I go to the bank.  In the Frankenheap.  Prolly not quite old
enough, either!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Christopher McCann]

yes because it (300SD) is plugged in and it gets up to temp pretty quick. The 
300D, not really, but close.
  
  I hate driving these cars for such short distances - wear & tear,  but not 
much I can do about that. Kansas City has more miles of highway  per capita 
than any other US city, I'm told (I believe it), so I always  take a highway 
route when I can and that helps alot. Sometimes even  pick a further away store 
than a closer one just to get out on the  highway.
  
  Chris
  
  

Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Are you even getting the car up to 
operating temp then?

Levi

On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> and this could vary from one voltage regulator to another, depending on
> how it is designed to work, correct?
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
> Jim Cathey  wrote:  > Unless there's something
> weird I've never heard of where turning on the
> > lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
> > more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...
>
> Unless the voltage regulator in the car is doing something weird,
> this makes no sense to me.  Voltage is all that is going to determine
> how fast the battery charges.  If putting an 8A load on makes the
> voltage kick _up_, however, then there would be something to that.
>
> -- Jim
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Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just 'cause you have a cap leak does _not_ mean you don't also have
> another leak somewhere else!

Absolutely.  Last fall, I discovered that the short flex lines off the
fuel tank (both supply and return) on my 300D were leaking.  Rubber
fuel lines don't last forever, and I think mine were original (at the
time, probably 23 - 24 years old).  Th

Re: [MBZ] bought new car

[Billr]

 "Looks like Moose Day is underway."
Dwight Giles

The Groundhog will be jealous of the Moose trying to steal its day.
BillR

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[andrew strasfogel]

I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123 300TD
wagon.  The car starts poorly and stalls for the first 2-3 minutes; also, I
haven't replaced them in 150 k miles.

1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range between @ $8 -
$12.

2) What tools will I need?  How long will it take (I am somewhat
experienced)?

3) Are there any pitfalls?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
300TD '83
300CD '85

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[Rusty Cullens]

I would recommend Bosch versus Beru. I see that Autohaus AZ has them for
$8.69 which is $1.21 below my cost. I think I'll call them and see how many
they will sell me!


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 123 Blower Motor failure - NOW Diesel glow plugs R&R


> I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123 300TD
> wagon.  The car starts poorly and stalls for the first 2-3 minutes; also,
I
> haven't replaced them in 150 k miles.
>
> 1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range between @
$8 -
> $12.
>
> 2) What tools will I need?  How long will it take (I am somewhat
> experienced)?
>
> 3) Are there any pitfalls?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andrew
> 300TD '83
> 300CD '85
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[MBZ] Drive shaft R&R? 85 300TD

[Harry Watkins]

Can the shaft be removed as one piece?  Is this considered a three piece
drive shaft?

Thanks

Harry

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[LarryT]

Jim C wrote:<>

Howdy!
   Actually, that kind of 'meet n greet" probably works just about 
anywhere.  I had stopped at a fast food place just off I95 back in 87 and 
was in some car or other - probably a Malibu - and as I like to do I checked 
the oil.  A guy in a W126 parked near by and we started talking - he said he 
likes to check his oil on long trips also - seems his W126 (a gasser IIRC) 
was less than a year old - he said he sold his W123 car for $500.  Said he 
didn't want the dealer to get it and basically gave it to a guy who seemed 
to really like it.   He said that's his normal method for getting rid of a 
car he doesn't want anymore.


I suspect (more likely, *hope*) there are lots of people like this who 
dislike the whole selling/buying process. ;-)


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Yea. Maybe I should just hang out at the bank looking for old guys in
nice benzes.


I go to the bank.  In the Frankenheap.  Prolly not quite old
enough, either!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cold start wear

[RELNGSON]

> < cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.>.
> 
I have a Porsche 911 factory shop manual from 1968 that states that startup 
wear is equivalent to 200 miles at full throttle. Keeping in mind that all 
their engines were air-cooled in those days and top speeds were in the range of 
130-140mph.

So here they are endorsing Mobil1 0W40 more than thirty years before it was 
introduced.

RLE
> 
> 

mercedes@okiebenz.com

[Allan Streib]

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123
> 300TD wagon.

I just did mine a few weeks ago.

> 1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range
>between @ $8 - $12.

Bosch or Beru are recommended.  I've heard not to mix brands, not sure
if it really matters, but if you are replacing them all it's moot.

> 2) What tools will I need?  How long will it take (I am somewhat
> experienced)?

Wrenches.  If you have deep sockets and flex adapters that will help,
stubby combination wrenches are also useful.  Getting at the plugs can
be a little tight unless you have really small hands.

> 3) Are there any pitfalls?

On one of the plugs, I had trouble loosening the small nut that holds
the wire on.  Ended up twisting the stem off of the plug.  Other than
that I had no difficulty; about like changing spark plugs.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Cold start wear

[Tom Hargrave]

And Mobile 1 won't help a bit if the issue is gasoline wash down. The issue
is not lack of oil pressure at start up. The issue is oil that's coating the
cylinder walls being diluted with fuel condensate because the cylinder walls
are cold at start up. No-one's oil (synthetic or otherwise) protects against
this.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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> < cars. Almost all automobile engine wear is cold start wear.>.
> 
I have a Porsche 911 factory shop manual from 1968 that states that startup 
wear is equivalent to 200 miles at full throttle. Keeping in mind that all 
their engines were air-cooled in those days and top speeds were in the range
of 
130-140mph.

So here they are endorsing Mobil1 0W40 more than thirty years before it was 
introduced.

RLE
> 
> 

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[Sunil Hari]

only real pitfall I remember was accessing the plugs - I got a 12mm
ratcheting wrench and all issues there went away.  Couldn't manage to get a
deep socket on the rearmost GP in my 84 300D.

When you remove the small nut attaching the wire to the plug, it helps to
have something under it to catch it - they're a PITA if they fall and get
lost.

On 2/2/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123
> 300TD wagon.

I just did mine a few weeks ago.

> 1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range
>between @ $8 - $12.

Bosch or Beru are recommended.  I've heard not to mix brands, not sure
if it really matters, but if you are replacing them all it's moot.

> 2) What tools will I need?  How long will it take (I am somewhat
> experienced)?

Wrenches.  If you have deep sockets and flex adapters that will help,
stubby combination wrenches are also useful.  Getting at the plugs can
be a little tight unless you have really small hands.

> 3) Are there any pitfalls?

On one of the plugs, I had trouble loosening the small nut that holds
the wire on.  Ended up twisting the stem off of the plug.  Other than
that I had no difficulty; about like changing spark plugs.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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[MBZ] Another test at Netzero's request 020207

[Glenn M. Brown]

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Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[David Brodbeck]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> and this could vary from one voltage regulator to another, depending on how 
> it is designed to work, correct?
>   

Yes.  In old cars they were all pretty much the same, but in some modern
cars the engine computer actually controls the alternator field
windings, and will vary the charging current depending on conditions. 
For example, on warm days, my Honda Civic would often turn off the
alternator completely while idling in traffic.  I'd see the voltmeter
drop to 12 volts or so.  It would start charging again after I resumed
speed or if I turned on an electrical accessory, such as the A/C
blower.  It usually ran around 13.5 volts, but on cold days, after
starting the car in the morning, the ECU would call for all-out charging
and I'd see a full 14 volts for a while.

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's better than watching the obituaries.
>   

For getting big old heaps, gently driven, with low mileage, it's hard to
beat making friends with someone who works at a nursing home.

mercedes@okiebenz.com

[David Brodbeck]

Allan Streib wrote:
> Wrenches.  If you have deep sockets and flex adapters that will help,
> stubby combination wrenches are also useful.  Getting at the plugs can
> be a little tight unless you have really small hands.
>   

I haven't done a Mercedes, but on VW diesels I find those ratcheting
box-end wrenches to be really helpful for this job.  They're flat enough
to get down where the plugs are and the ratcheting action means you only
need a little bit of swing to make progress.

>   
>> 3) Are there any pitfalls?
>> 
Don't overtighten them.  You can really shorten the life of the plugs
that way.

Re: [MBZ] WOW!

[Bob Rentfro]

I hate you

Bob R  



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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: [MBZ] WOW!



I was at the bank last week and I saw an elderly gentleman get out of a
VERY nice 123 300D.  I was right behind him in line and we had a few
minutes to talk because the line was moving VERY slow.  I asked him
about his car and he seemed very pleased that someone asked about it.
We continued our discussion outside and he showed me more of the car.
He had a 1984 300D with 23,000 miles (he was the original owner).   It
was perfect!  I don't mean perfect for a 20+ year old car, I mean
PERFECT! It was that Charcoal grey color with the grey/black interior.
I have never seen one of these cars that looked like it was BRAND NEW.
I couldn't believe how nice it was.  The only potential drawback was
that he smoked big ole cigars in the car (his wife won't let him smoke
anywhere else).  I liked the smell, it wasn;t like cigarettes, it was a
very rich humidor type smell (I am a cigar smoker, so I guess not
everyone would appreciate it)  




He started it up and it sounded great and had the tiniest amount of
smoke at start up and that's it.  I was drooling over the car.  We
talked more and he said that he was considering getting rid of it
because he was going to move to Florida and his wife really wanted to
take the Minivan.  He said he was 80 years old and just didn't need a
second car.  I begged him to give me first chance to buy it.  He said he
would when it came time to sell it.   He seemed really pleased that
someone noticed how nice it was.  He also said he had ALL his service
done at the Mercedes Dealer and they never drooled over the car they way
I did.  Here's hoping I get a chance to buy this car. 




Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 134K 


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[MBZ] My Lucky Day

[Rich Thomas]

My dad called me a little while ago and told me he wanted me to have his 
car, a 300D with very few miles.  Mom's meenievayan is a bit easier for 
him to negotiate.  Said something about an ambulance chaser trying to 
hustle him for it, figured it time to just give it to me.   Since he is 
getting a bit senile, I told the cops to check on him and the car 
occasionally, and if they see anyone driving it, it has been stolen.


I'll let y'all know about it soon.

--R
  

[MBZ] a 6 block commute (was: Re: battery recharge and driving with the lights on)

[ernest breakfield]

jeeze, with a 6 block commute, why are you even *driving* at all? 
wouldn't a bicycle work better?   ;-)


   seriously; do you have too much stuff you need to take with you that 
you need to drive? (surely, it can't be the weather; i've comfortably 
walked farther than that in Alberta when it was over 40* below,...)



cheers!
e


Christopher McCann wrote:

with a 6 block commute - and no other driving - I will wear a battery  down - 
faster or slower - depending on temp. But fluctuating temp  really throws a big 
variable into that test.
  
  CM


Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Well, I guess the real answer is this.  
How many times do you not have your
lights on and then find your battery wasn't charged enough?
If you can do this frequently, then try turning your lights on and see if it
helps any  (:

Levi

On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
  

I am DEFINITELY not misinterpreting what this guy (who, otherwise
knows  quite a bit about cars, raced cars, built race cars, does all
his  repairs, etc). We've had this argument SEVERAL times.


If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going
to do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
battery
  THAT is exactly my reasoning with this guy and he
insists  otherwise...but it's not just him, OTHER people have made the
same  argument that he is making.

  Chris



Levi Smith  wrote:  Wuh  Maybe I'm missing
something I'm not familiar with, but I think
someone's either feeding you a line, or you're misinterpreting
something...

If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going to
do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the
lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the
battery.  Not that it should be any problem, but technically speaking...
The alternator should charge the battery either way...

Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the
lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out
more?  Never heard of such a thing, but who knows...

There is that thought that turning the lights on BEFORE you start the car
gets the battery's chemistry moving to give you a little more oomph for
cranking.  But I've never completely bought into that(never done it for
that
matter) and it's a moot point on anything with glow plugs anyway...

Levi (:

On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:


I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some
other  accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting
by  putting a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't
get  electricity.

  BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing
that this does not hold for our older cars...

  Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning
and  the 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D
(1982)  seems to start nearly all the time at any temp with no block
  

heater.


  Can someone help me understand this?

  Thanks,

  Chris




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-2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
-2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
-1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

[Marshall Booth]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Driving home last night I stopped at Home Depot and noticed the rear passenger 
side of the car behind the rear wheel was wet with fuel.
I thought that was odd but though it made the hard starting I've had recently 
make sense. The car doesn't actually start hard but it needs some throttle 
input for the first 30-40 seconds of running to keep running. I'd been passing 
that off with the cold but lately decided maybe the fuel filters needed 
changing. I figured a fuel leak would fit the bill, air gets into the line 
while the engine is shut off right?
Well I went out and checked it a few minutes ago because apparently as I left 
work last night I left a literal shower of fuel. At first I thought I'd forgot 
to put the fuel cap on when I filled up yesterday but its there.
The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap, the area under the filler 
door is wet with fuel, and theres a trail down the side of the car from the 
filler door.

I'm thinking to replace the fuel cap gasket but it looks okay... Of course the 
one on the oil cap looked okay last year when I replaced it, but it was leaking 
a river...


You need to insure that the vent line from the fuel tank is open and 
venting properly. When it clogs in cold weather, pressure can build up 
(as heated fuel is returned to the tank) sufficiently so that fuel is 
ejected from cap (although usually only when the tank is fairly full). 
The cap should vent at between 100-300 millibar (the vent line vents at 
a MUCH lower pressure - 30-50 millibar). In warmer weather, when the 
vent line clogs, a vacuum often builds in the tank and the engine may 
experience fuel starvation (especially on long drives) unless the cap is 
opened periodically.


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Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some other  
accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting by  putting a 
load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't get  electricity.
  
  BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing that this does not hold for our older cars...
  


I  never heard of that!

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Zoltan Finks]

You could really act superior and call them Alsatians.

Brian

Christopher wrote:


GSD = German Shepherd Dog. My two dogs. The German Shepherd is one of  the
few dogs that have the word "dog" in their official name, so they  are
"GSD"s for short.

Chris

Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on

[Tom Hargrave]

Driving with the headlights on reduces the charge to your battery &
increases your charge time because the headlights pull away current that
could be dumping into the battery.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Christopher McCann wrote:
> I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some other
accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting by  putting a
load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't get  electricity.
>   
>   BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing
that this does not hold for our older cars...
>   

I  never heard of that!

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Oil is Killing our Cars....comments anyone?...esp. regarding Mobil 1

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

http://www.svmgcc.org/tech_tips/oil_is_killing.htm
  


Nothing new here. The "nits" have been arguing about this for years. The 
people that seriously lubricate car and truck engines settled this and 
make fine oils. Mercedes warned against choosing oil based on API 
rating. Use a Mercedes rated oil and it will protect your engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

[Curt Raymond]

Well it looks as though it may be no big deal. I reseated the cap this morning 
and tonight when I got home I got the "woof" inrush of air that I didn't get 
this morning opening the cap.
To be safe I'll buy another seal for the cap from Rusty on Monday. I might as 
well get the replacement vacuum pump I've been putting off (they're spendy) 
while I'm at it to save on shipping.

As I think of it I need a new oil cap seal too. Are the two caps the same? They 
sure look it...
Is it normal to need a new seal every year? I replaced this one last year as it 
was leaking badly, its only leaking a little now but it annoys me. Its the old 
style metal cap if it makes a difference.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:18:44 -0500
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> Just 'cause you have a cap leak does _not_ mean you don't also have
> another leak somewhere else!

Absolutely.  Last fall, I discovered that the short flex lines off the
fuel tank (both supply and return) on my 300D were leaking.  Rubber
fuel lines don't last forever, and I think mine were original (at the
time, probably 23 - 24 years old).  They have been replaced.

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andrew strasfogel wrote:
> I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123 300TD
> wagon.  The car starts poorly and stalls for the first 2-3 minutes; also, I
> haven't replaced them in 150 k miles.
> 
> 1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range between @ $8 -
> $12.

Both Bosch and Beru make fine plugs. Monark and other aftermarket brands 
have NOT been satisfactory for me.

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Re: [MBZ] a 6 block commute (was: Re: battery recharge and driving with the lights on)

[Christopher McCann]

1) errands. I have 5 kids. I often get a request for "please pick x, y,  z" up 
on the way home. It seems that I am always having to go somewhere.
  
  I live and work in a sort of bad neighborhood. In the summer, it's too  hot. 
Cold I don't mind, but it's dark. I carry pepper spray/cs gas mix  and I have a 
concealed carry permit, but I only really feel safe when I  have both of those 
(99.9% of the time) AND my German Shepherd, who  UNFORTUNATELY is not welcome 
in my office all day long on a regular  basis.
  
  I have walked a few times...but it's just not a nice walk. Blight, drug  
dealers, whores (not so much any more) and you always need to be  watching your 
back.
  
  Kansas City is weird. MY block is nice. 2 blocks away is hell and 2  blocks 
the other way are million dollar homes. the whole residential  part of the 
older city (not downtown) is like that.
  
  So I think that's the main reason - its just an unpleasant walk. When I  
lived in the BEAUTIFUL little town of Cross Plains, Wisconsin, I walked  to 
work all the time. I LOVE that town. Wife's "ancestral homeland".  Her great- 
great - great grandfather Engelbert Übersetzig  immigrated there in the 
early 1850's, opened a saloon and they've been  there ever since. But now they 
are dairy farmers...and I brought her  here :-(
  
  Long answer, sorry.
  
  Chris
  
  

ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  jeeze, with a 6 block commute, 
why are you even *driving* at all? 
wouldn't a bicycle work better?   ;-)

seriously; do you have too much stuff you need to take with you that 
you need to drive? (surely, it can't be the weather; i've comfortably 
walked farther than that in Alberta when it was over 40* below,...)


cheers!
e





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[Curt Raymond]

Thanks for the reminder, thats the other thing I'll order Monday...

I did them on my '81 300TD and it was pretty easy. A 1/4" socket set with a 
u-joint socket is the way to go. If you have magnetic sockets all the better as 
you won't drop the nut on the end. It'd be a good idea to have a magnet on hand 
to fish that nut back up with.
Easiest way is to take the injection lines off, maybe a good time to replace 
the clips if they're tatty and you care about that sort of thing.
Even if you don't you should be able to get to all the glowplugs without to 
much acrobatics.

-Curt

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I decided to splurge and replace all my glow plugs for my 1983 W123 
300TD
wagon.  The car starts poorly and stalls for the first 2-3 minutes; 
also, I
haven't replaced them in 150 k miles.

1) Does it matter what brand I purchase?  Cost seems to range between @ 
$8 -
$12.

2) What tools will I need?  How long will it take (I am somewhat
experienced)?

3) Are there any pitfalls?

Thanks in advance,

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The British hated everything German so much after WWI that THEY started  
calling them Alsatian Shepherds...even Alsatian Wolfdogs in some  instances. 
Since the 70's (I think) the Brit's have eased up and now  call them German 
Shepherd Dogs. In the US, they were always officially known as the German 
Shepherd Dog.
  
  That Alsatian thing really bugs me. The same anti-German hysteria swept  the 
US during WWI too. At the beginning of the war there were over  10,000 German 
language schools in the US. By the end of the war, I  think it was 12. If it 
weren't for that, I (and alot of others) would  probably still speak German 
becuase my family (mom's side) wouldn't  have had to hide their ethnicity. Oh 
well.
  
  Sorry for the rant.
  
  Chris

Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   You could really act superior and 
call them Alsatians.

Brian

Christopher wrote:
>
> GSD = German Shepherd Dog. My two dogs. The German Shepherd is one of  the
> few dogs that have the word "dog" in their official name, so they  are
> "GSD"s for short.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] a 6 block commute

[ernest breakfield]

long, maybe, but interesting,... and i *did* ask because i figured there 
must be a reason and i was genuinely curious, so it serves me right!   
;-)(sorry if anyone else was bored...)


   i hope situations improve so you can get back to a more pleasant 
arrangement; whether that means the environment changes or you get to a 
new one.



cheers!
e


Christopher McCann wrote:
1) errands. I have 5 kids. I often get a request for "please pick x, 
y, z" up on the way home. It seems that I am always having to go 
somewhere.


I live and work in a sort of bad neighborhood. In the summer, it's too 
hot. Cold I don't mind, but it's dark. I carry pepper spray/cs gas mix 
and I have a concealed carry permit, but I only really feel safe when 
I have both of those (99.9% of the time) AND my German Shepherd, who 
UNFORTUNATELY is not welcome in my office all day long on a regular basis.


I have walked a few times...but it's just not a nice walk. Blight, 
drug dealers, whores (not so much any more) and you always need to be 
watching your back.


Kansas City is weird. MY block is nice. 2 blocks away is hell and 2 
blocks the other way are million dollar homes. the whole residential 
part of the older city (not downtown) is like that.


So I think that's the main reason - its just an unpleasant walk. When 
I lived in the BEAUTIFUL little town of Cross Plains, Wisconsin, I 
walked to work all the time. I LOVE that town. Wife's "ancestral 
homeland". Her great- great - great grandfather Engelbert 
Übersetzig immigrated there in the early 1850's, opened a saloon and 
they've been there ever since. But now they are dairy farmers...and I 
brought her here :-(


Long answer, sorry.

Chris



*/ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

jeeze, with a 6 block commute, why are you even *driving* at all?
wouldn't a bicycle work better? ;-)

seriously; do you have too much stuff you need to take with you that
you need to drive? (surely, it can't be the weather; i've comfortably
walked farther than that in Alberta when it was over 40* below,...)


cheers!
e





Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz)
-2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz)
-1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box"


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Re: [MBZ] Cold start wear

[Marshall Booth]

Tom Hargrave wrote:

And Mobile 1 won't help a bit if the issue is gasoline wash down. The issue
is not lack of oil pressure at start up. The issue is oil that's coating the
cylinder walls being diluted with fuel condensate because the cylinder walls
are cold at start up. No-one's oil (synthetic or otherwise) protects against
this.


That's seldom a problem in a well engineered and maintained engine. The 
cylinder walls of MOST well cared for Mercedes engines aren't seriously 
worn even after a quarter or even a half a million miles although using 
a synthetic might improve that slightly. Synthetics really do reduce 
most cold accelerated bearing wear (and other friction caused wear).


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