Re: [MBZ] Sucking oil

[Hans Neureiter]

What wilton is saying, is ceawling under the car and removing the
drain pl sucks.

On 5/10/07, Zaphod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I"ll bet that isn't what you intended to say.   :-)

Don


On 5/10/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> ... sucking removes more than sucking - removing drain plugs on them ...



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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Hans Neureiter]

Loosen the mounts and jack the tranny to the side. With like trickery
it has been done before on 123's and 126'es.

On 5/10/07, Ralph W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Your symptoms at first sounded like a broken torque converter but if the
tranny has a little bit of power than it is not what happened to my 240D.
Basically I was at a light and went to take off when nothing happened.
Engine was fine but the car would not move forward or back. It turned out
that the torque converter has a couple of ears which engage into the tranny
which sheared off. Thus the torque convert would just spin.

Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (parts car)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP


>I had Toni hold the brake, put the car in gear and rev it up a bit while I
> watched the driveshaft for movement..It "tries" to turn
> itBasically, the tranny is attempting to move the car but is not
> capable.
>  How hard is it to inspect this mischeivous B2 piston?  Can it be done
> still in the car?
>
> Mike



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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Ralph W]

Your symptoms at first sounded like a broken torque converter but if the 
tranny has a little bit of power than it is not what happened to my 240D. 
Basically I was at a light and went to take off when nothing happened. 
Engine was fine but the car would not move forward or back. It turned out 
that the torque converter has a couple of ears which engage into the tranny 
which sheared off. Thus the torque convert would just spin.


Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (parts car)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP



I had Toni hold the brake, put the car in gear and rev it up a bit while I
watched the driveshaft for movement..It "tries" to turn
itBasically, the tranny is attempting to move the car but is not
capable.
 How hard is it to inspect this mischeivous B2 piston?  Can it be done
still in the car?

Mike

Re: [MBZ] Sucking oil

[Zaphod]

I"ll bet that isn't what you intended to say.   :-)

Don


On 5/10/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



... sucking removes more than sucking - removing drain plugs on them ...




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[MBZ] Sucking oil

[wilton strickland]

'Read a "Click and Clack" column today in which they vehemently deride
"sucking" oil changes.  They also imply that "garages" who charge for
sucking are "scamming."  Obviously they don't know that it's the preferred
way to change MB oil, removing more oil than by draining.  They're concerned
that it "doesn't get all the oil and leaves sludge."  Of course, if you use
a good and proper oil and suck it hot, you don't have and don't leave
sludge.  Of course, also, if the suction tube doesn't reach bottom of the
pan the way the dipstick tube does in an MB, sucking can leave significant
oil.  Anybody know if dipstick tubes in other engines reach bottom of pan
like MB?

Wilton  (who uses $2 sucker and has confirmed on 3 of my MBs that sucking
removes more than sucking - removing drain plugs on them after completing
the sucking produced not a single drip from the drain holes.)

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Kevin Kraly]

What's a guy to do who wants to drive Mercedes, but wants something a little 
more modern?


Pony up and buy an E320CDI/Bluetech :-).

You like the W126's, so maybe, the perfect Mercedes would be a 300SDL?  it 
SHOULD only be a 1-2K difference.  Right now, there's one on the local 
Craigslist for $5250, no idea how nice it is.


http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/327199391.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 

Re: [MBZ] If it weren't for pesky sleazeballs

[Zoltan Finks]

The outpouring of sympathy warms the cockles of my heart.

Brian


On 5/10/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


We have been looking into an 84 190D recently and trying to work with the
shady seller via phone. To his credit? he agreed to take it to a mechanic
for inspection on our dime. This English-challenged seller played innocent
and noble all the way.

The mechanic promptly sent me 10 pics of car, revealing pealing paint,
cracking bondo, cracked chrome on wheel, badly unevenly worn tires, shifter
console lifting up, bent rear link causing tow-in, steering wheel put on
crooked, etc.

When the seller finally called my $100 poorer butt back, and I said "do
you really want me to go down the list?" and "I'd pay no more than $1500"
(the engine and tranny and showed no problems so I figured I could maybe use
them), his tone changed from aloof to more urgent and sales-pitchy and the
tables had turned. He proceeded to be caught in several lies, changing from
inexperienced innocent guy who happened to have the car, to someone very
knowledgeable about these cars, able to get a 190E complete for $200
dollars, and swap out parts, and have his mechanics replace anything needed
for 1/4 of the price of any other mechanic.

Any of you familiar with such an operation? Sounds like he turns these
cars around as a business, though he claimed not to be a dealer of any sort.
I just wonder if these cars are stolen.

One of the things that gets me the most is that these people play the
language-barrier card, and the poor immigrant card to exercise their deceit.
It makes it hard not to give in to the tendency to hate these people. I
really wanted this car and was temporarily naive enough to think we might
have found a gem.

Brian
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I might sell my SDL, but Im afraid you probably wouldnt want to pay 
as much as I would want.


Donald Snook wrote:
Kaleb wrote: 

 

"trust me, the 96's rust equally as bad" 

 


Okay between the rust issues and the fit and finish of the later cars, I
am wondering what sort of Mercedes I should get next. 

 


Possibilities:  Cons


 


81-85 124 Wagon Have you seen how much these are going for?
(plus, wife will make fun of me)

 

86-87 300SDLNice ones cost TOO much 

 

90-92 300D 2.5  I've had one and want something different  

 

90-91 560SECVERY expensive repairs and premium prices 

 


92-95 400E/E420 ???

 

90-95 300CE/E320(coupe)  High prices limited availability 

 

94-95 E320  ??? wiring harness/evap 

 

Any 140 Chassis Too many high dollar repairs 

 


It seems like the best Mercedes made were all 1991 and prior.  What's a
guy to do who wants to drive Mercedes, but wants something a little more
modern.  

 


Maybe I'll just buy a Lincoln LS V8 (just kidding, but that is what my
wife wants next for her car)   

 

 

 


Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 


300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] Did not sell on ebay

[BillR]

That would seem a good plan.
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] Did not sell on ebay

My 1990 300SEL did not sell on ebay.  It crossed into the $4,000
territory, but did not meet my reserve.  

 

Looks like Bill R. is going to get to buy it!  

 

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 136K 

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Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: 

 

"trust me, the 96's rust equally as bad" 

 

Okay between the rust issues and the fit and finish of the later cars, I
am wondering what sort of Mercedes I should get next. 

 

Possibilities:  Cons


 

81-85 124 Wagon Have you seen how much these are going for?
(plus, wife will make fun of me)

 

86-87 300SDLNice ones cost TOO much 

 

90-92 300D 2.5  I've had one and want something different  

 

90-91 560SECVERY expensive repairs and premium prices 

 

92-95 400E/E420 ???

 

90-95 300CE/E320(coupe)  High prices limited availability 

 

94-95 E320  ??? wiring harness/evap 

 

Any 140 Chassis Too many high dollar repairs 

 

It seems like the best Mercedes made were all 1991 and prior.  What's a
guy to do who wants to drive Mercedes, but wants something a little more
modern.  

 

Maybe I'll just buy a Lincoln LS V8 (just kidding, but that is what my
wife wants next for her car)   

 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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[MBZ] Did not sell on ebay

[Donald Snook]

My 1990 300SEL did not sell on ebay.  It crossed into the $4,000
territory, but did not meet my reserve.  

 

Looks like Bill R. is going to get to buy it!  

 

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 136K 

Re: [MBZ] new Diesel choices

[TimothyPilgrim]

From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

About a year ago, there was big talk about several dodge models being
available in the 07 year with the bluetec MB engine.
Our of curiosity, i stopped at the 'friendly' not-so-local dodge
dealer last week to inquire about dodge Diesels (not in
pickups).  After some searching, they told me that only the grand
cherokee was available with the bluetec.  And only in the most
expensive model.  The price?  over $48,000   I guess the shareholder
revolt has put a damper on allowing MB Diesels in Dog products.


Coincidentally, I just read an article at lunch today about the Grand
Cherokee CRD and I quote:

"Remember, the diesel Grand C, while running on a Mercedes-supplied
3.0-litre turbo diesel engine, delivers fuel economy benefits, but
it's not as clean as Mercedes' latest diesels, the Bluetecs. That
superclean DCX diesel technology is able to meet the most stringent
emissions standards in the world; the diesel in the '07 Grand C is no
Bluetec, so it does not. That said, the Grand C Diesel is very
fuel-efficient, and because of this it cuts C02 emissions by 20 per
cent."

This is how I understood it beforehand as well. Perhaps your dealer,
as many are, did not have the correct info? The article also states
that the diesel engine is indeed only available in the more expensive
trim packages, not the base model. Pity.

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070510.whdieselmain-0510/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/

There's a companion article to it in the same paper:

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070509.wh-cherokeereview-0510/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto

As far as trucks go, I'd love to have a Chevy Avalanche, but it's a
shame they don't put their diesel Duramax engine in it. Only in the
standard pickup. Pity. Oh it's available with E85? There's one pump in
Canada as I recall, and it ain't in my city. Besides, with the bad
press E85 is getting as of late, I'm even more enamored with
diesel/biodiesel.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

Re: [MBZ] 4WD

[RELNGSON]

> < Looked like an interesting possibility.>>
> 
Since all M & R classes are 4-matic, what's so interesting?

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[LarryT]

Hi Gary,
   My '78 240D did that a couple of years ago.  Basically my tranny was 
broke.  I found a used one for $30 delivered to my local tranny shop who 
installed it for $500 or so.


   Sorry - BTW - the problem sounds like it may have been overfilled at 
some point in the past.  It could have been a week or 6 months - but often 
when they are overfilled they do that.


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP



What Jeff said... If reverse works, it's probably the B2. If no
reverse, then things are a little more iffy. I've had a torque
converter destroy itself, with similar symptoms, but that freakish
series of events has zero chance of ever occuring again during the
life of this universe.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does reverse work??

Jeff Zedic


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Re: [MBZ] Crawling on the high line video

[LarryT]

   They inspect the fittings for cracks, tightness, etc - not something 
visible through even thru a very powerful lens.  The wind puts a tremendous 
amount of stress on all those components with the constant swaying and 
occasional gusts.So he was probably inspectng things.  As far as 
repairs, much of it is done from helicopters these days.


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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crawling on the high line video




So just what the heck are they *doing* up there?  I saw the guy
crawling on the lines, but can't figure out what a single person with
hand tools could possibly "repair".  All that's up there are cables
and insulators.

Are they just "inspecting" ?  Seems that a video camera with a zoom
lens could do that from the ground with a lot less danger.

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] new Diesel choices

[Kevin Kraly]

now a $20K long caravan with a bluetec would get my attention!

I would be there to buy the one next in line!  A diesel minivan would be 
quite nice.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Allan Streib]

"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   How hard is it to inspect this mischeivous B2 piston?  Can it be
> done still in the car?

The B2 piston cover is on the right side of the tranny.  If you open
it up you'll lose fluid.  I have a writeup somewhere I posted to the
old [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, when I did the repair on my 300D.  If you
like I can send you a copy.

It can be replaced with the trans still in the car.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Mike Canfield]

I had Toni hold the brake, put the car in gear and rev it up a bit while I 
watched the driveshaft for movement..It "tries" to turn 
itBasically, the tranny is attempting to move the car but is not 
capable.
 How hard is it to inspect this mischeivous B2 piston?  Can it be done 
still in the car?


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP



There are really two different failure modes for the B2. Scenario 1
(most common) is that the B2 piston comes apart but continues to seal
the bore. It just kind of floats around in the bore, simulating the
"clutch half in" feeling. The lower the gear, the more affected.
Hitting the accellerator increases the working pressure, and
eventually the B2 is pushed into place. Scenario 2 is that the B2
piston comes apart and wedges in the bore. Nothing works but reverse.
You ain't goin' nowhere but back'ards.

Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Chris Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If I'm correct in my diagnosis of my 300SD having a bad B2 piston, it 
never
nade any strange noises.  It started to flare between first and second, 
and

then suddenly it feels like you have the clutch halfway to the floor on a
stick shift.  I have not had time to get under the car, and with my lack 
of
experience working on them I'm a little hesitant to just unbolt the 
tranny

and give it a shot.
I don't have a clue what could be wrong with your car, but I don't think 
its

a b2.  My reverse works great, second seems ok, 3 and 4 are just fine.


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Re: [MBZ] new Diesel choices

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 5/10/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

why pay 48K for a dog when you can buy a Mercedes Benz for
less?  Anybody know what the price is for the ML with the bluetec
engine?  It is just not as handy as a caravan.  oh, for the vito in the US!


Last I heard, Honda will be selling the cheapest diesel SUV shortly
(now that the Jeep Liberty with the Italian motor has been
discontinued)---they're supposed to have diesel Ridgelines and Pilots
on the lot next year for $30K or so.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[BillR]

OMG!  The world is that close to ending  - just one torque converter away?
;-)
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  289k miles


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:59 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP

What Jeff said... If reverse works, it's probably the B2. If no
reverse, then things are a little more iffy. I've had a torque
converter destroy itself, with similar symptoms, but that freakish
series of events has zero chance of ever occuring again during the
life of this universe.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does reverse work??
>
> Jeff Zedic

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[MBZ] new Diesel choices

[Loren Faeth]

About a year ago, there was big talk about several dodge models being 
available in the 07 year with the bluetec MB engine.
Our of curiosity, i stopped at the 'friendly' not-so-local dodge 
dealer last week to inquire about dodge Diesels (not in 
pickups).  After some searching, they told me that only the grand 
cherokee was available with the bluetec.  And only in the most 
expensive model.  The price?  over $48,000   I guess the shareholder 
revolt has put a damper on allowing MB Diesels in Dog products.


not for me!!!  now a $20K long caravan with a bluetec would get my attention!

why pay 48K for a dog when you can buy a Mercedes Benz for 
less?  Anybody know what the price is for the ML with the bluetec 
engine?  It is just not as handy as a caravan.  oh, for the vito in the US!


Loren
newest vehicle is only 19 years old.  No bluetecs in the foreseeable future.



Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Allan Streib]

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It started to flare between first and second, and then suddenly it
> feels like you have the clutch halfway to the floor on a stick
> shift.

Classic B2 failure symptoms.  That's exactly how mine went on my 300D.

> My reverse works great, second seems ok, 3 and 4 are just fine.

Also consistent with B2 failure.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Gary Thompson]

There are really two different failure modes for the B2. Scenario 1
(most common) is that the B2 piston comes apart but continues to seal
the bore. It just kind of floats around in the bore, simulating the
"clutch half in" feeling. The lower the gear, the more affected.
Hitting the accellerator increases the working pressure, and
eventually the B2 is pushed into place. Scenario 2 is that the B2
piston comes apart and wedges in the bore. Nothing works but reverse.
You ain't goin' nowhere but back'ards.

Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Chris Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If I'm correct in my diagnosis of my 300SD having a bad B2 piston, it never
nade any strange noises.  It started to flare between first and second, and
then suddenly it feels like you have the clutch halfway to the floor on a
stick shift.  I have not had time to get under the car, and with my lack of
experience working on them I'm a little hesitant to just unbolt the tranny
and give it a shot.
I don't have a clue what could be wrong with your car, but I don't think its
a b2.  My reverse works great, second seems ok, 3 and 4 are just fine.

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Chris Lane]

If I'm correct in my diagnosis of my 300SD having a bad B2 piston, it never
nade any strange noises.  It started to flare between first and second, and
then suddenly it feels like you have the clutch halfway to the floor on a
stick shift.  I have not had time to get under the car, and with my lack of
experience working on them I'm a little hesitant to just unbolt the tranny
and give it a shot.
I don't have a clue what could be wrong with your car, but I don't think its
a b2.  My reverse works great, second seems ok, 3 and 4 are just fine.


On 5/10/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>   So if I do find I need to pull the trans out is there anything that
> makes
> this job any different from a typical American RWD drive car?

Dunno.  You need several feet of socket extension and a knuckle
joint in order to take out the top bolts.  The wrench ends up back
by the tailshaft.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Ham licenses

[ernest breakfield]

there's been a No-Code license for years already that would allow 
operation on frequencies that would not (typically) carry world-wide, 
and the requirement for Code has been progressively lowered over the 
years since the introduction of the first No-Code license; it's just 
that as of recently it's not required for *any* license any longer.


   of course there's what you could call a clique (much as you might 
expect in any group that's now divided in the skills that were required 
for entry); and you know there's always going to be some Old-Timers in 
any group that would complain about any change. around here, you don't 
hear much grousing about it; the crustiest are busy banging away in the 
CW sub-bands where most phone operators wouldn't hear them grousing 
about it anyway.  ;-)   (fact of the matter is, most CW ops have been 
using computers to do their comms anyway, so it's not really the issue 
of 'skill' some might have you believe.)


   i don't think anyone who's ever used and understood it could "accept 
that it... has no practical value"; there are still situations where 
Code has the advantage, and/or is decipherable while voice would not be. 
nobody is kept from learning it, but i still think it was a mistake to 
not require proficiency in it at at least some level for operations on 
bands that are capable of working world-wide; it's still the simplest 
mode to be able to get to work in the case of an emergency and in the 
worst conditions, and Emergency Service is what Amateur Radios priority 
has been and should be.


   i don't know if there's any good way to count how many "still use 
Code regularly", but it is still very much in regular use; from 
bare-basic low-power home-made rigs working world-wide with just a few 
watts (or less!) on a long-wire antenna while on a remote backpacking 
trip, to the boat in distress with a bad microphone cable, to Repeaters 
identifying underneath a voice conversation without interrupting the 
operators, it's still got its advantages and will probably never die.



cheers!
e


Allan Streib wrote:

ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  

three classes of US licenses currently being issued; no code
required for any of them.



So, is there now a clique of "old-school" hams that knows code and
looks down with disdain on the "newbies" who can't do it?  Or does
everyone pretty much accept that it's just something that has no
practical value anymore.

How many actually still use code regularly?

Allan

  

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Jim Cathey]

  So if I do find I need to pull the trans out is there anything that 
makes

this job any different from a typical American RWD drive car?


Dunno.  You need several feet of socket extension and a knuckle
joint in order to take out the top bolts.  The wrench ends up back
by the tailshaft.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

trust me, the 96's rust equally as bad

Donald Snook wrote:
John Freer wrote: 

 

"I think you mean a 210."   

 


You are right. I meant 210.  I looked the car over for the rust issue -
the shock towers show no sign of rust.  I did a little research and
found cases of rust problems in the 97-99 models. But not in the 1996.
I wonder if something changed between models.  I do like the fit and
finish of the 124 more.  Perhaps I can find a nice 95 124 special
edition with all the extras including the traction control (or whatever
they call it).  

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344

 


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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

In that case, something it probably wrong with the torque converter or 
the front pump.  If you just picked this car up, soembody could have had 
the tranny out at some point and didnt get it put back in correctly. 
Might have gone for a while but finally broke off the tabs on the front 
pump.  While its running, crack one of the cooler lines and see if it 
pumps fluid out.


Mike Canfield wrote:

No..It does nothing.  No noise, no forward, no reverse, only park.

Mike
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Does reverse work??

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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep, b2 piston

Mike Canfield wrote:

Hey All,
  As some of you know, I just picked up an 83 300TD.  It has been running 
absolutely beautiful until this morning.
  To start things off it's my girlfriends birthday so something bad was bound 
to happen..

Anyway, she got up and headed for work in the TD this morning and got about 1/2 
mile away and called to tell me the car is in drive but will not go.  She said 
it made a loud bang and just quit going.  I figured a u-joint or flex disk 
failure...No such luck.

Fluid level is fine, fluid does not smell burnt, linkages and driveshaft are 
all fine; torque converter is turning  but the tranny does nothing at all.  
Park is the only thing that works..

HELP  Is this the infamous B2 piston failure?  Does my car have that?  How 
hard to fix?  I can't afford to buy or rebuild a tranny...Heck, I can't 
even afford the parts to fix it right now..

Figures...

THanks all,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 5/10/07, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm told by one former-Benz now indy mechanic that replacing the seals
for the first transfer case (which had some seepage upon initial
inspection) would be a $500 job. I'm told by another former-Benz now
indy mechanic that there is only one shop in North America that can
rebuild the tranfer case and it's obviously not cheap. I'm considering
merely leaving the car as it is or going the seal replacement route.
The only downside to having a RWD 4Matic is the increase fuel
consumption, which is horrific compared to my thrifty little VW TDI.



Ugh, that brings back memories.  This was exactly the same set of
circumstances that lead me to get rid of my E30 BMW 325iX.  Once the
transfer case runs dry you just have a noisy, heavy RWD car, and
rebuilding it or finding a used one is no guarantee that it won't just
fail again, thanks to poor design.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[jwreames]

>From what I understand, it is something you need a trained eye to spot, as it 
>rusts UNDER the sealant and then pops off.  There can be VERY little warning 
>otherwise. It happens even on dealer-maintained cars, and when one pops off, 
>they usually go replace both of them.

Of course you pobably want/need a suspension workover/alignment after...

-j.

 -- Original message --
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> John Freer wrote: 
> 
>  
> 
> "I think you mean a 210."   
> 
>  
> 
> You are right. I meant 210.  I looked the car over for the rust issue -
> the shock towers show no sign of rust.  I did a little research and
> found cases of rust problems in the 97-99 models. But not in the 1996.
> I wonder if something changed between models.  I do like the fit and
> finish of the 124 more.  Perhaps I can find a nice 95 124 special
> edition with all the extras including the traction control (or whatever
> they call it).  
> 
>  
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 1990 300SEL 137K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344
> 
>  
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Re: [MBZ] Jiffy lube was Re: Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Allan Streib]

"Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I think (more like I HOPE) that it depends on which Jiffy Lube you
> go to [...] most of them are good places.

I'm sure that's true.  I agree with what you say about building trust
and repeat business with a few select shops.  I think some people stop
in at whatever random place they happen to be near.

That said, I had a Jiffy Lube in Illinois leave the oil filter on my
VW Jetta loose after a change.  Luckily I noticed that the oil was 1/2
quart low at my next refuel.  It was just loose enough that it was
dripping -- not a really rapid leak.

That's when I gave up having other people change my oil.  It's an easy
job, it gives you an opportunity to eyeball-inspect everything else
under the hood on a regular basis, so I do it myself.  I do use a
trusted mechanic for some other work that I either don't have the time
or tools or knowledge to do myself.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

[MBZ] Jiffy lube was Re: Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Donald Snook]

Tim Pilgrim wrote: 

 

Well, we all know now how good Jiffy Lube is at their work.

 

http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k.a
sx

 

I think (more like I HOPE) that it depends on which Jiffy Lube you go
to.   Before I went to law school (and before I was a service manager at
a Honda/Oldsmobile dealership), I worked for Barclay Enterprises. The
company owned 6 jiffy lube franchises and 3 huge Full Service carwashes.
I was the claims manager and was responsible for dealing with this kind
of problem.  I can tell you that I know that this did not happen at the
Jiffy Lube's in Springfield, Missouri.The owner would always tell us
that Jiffy Lube (and businesses like them) rely on trust.  The customer
has no idea if you are doing what you are charging them for. So, if they
perceive they are being cheated, then that becomes their reality.  We
wanted to make sure we did the work and they believed they were getting
a service for what they paid. 

 

I caught a guy doing a half ass job changing the rear diff fluid on a
car. He only sucked out about half the fluid and did not change the
gasket.   I was always empowered by the owner when something like this
came up to fire the person immediately. I did.  In fact, we were so
focused on making sure this didn't happen I had friends and relatives
run their cars through one of the locations and then we would double
check to make sure everything had been done (and done correctly).   

 

There are bad shops out there.  And I wouldn't trust a complicated car
like a Mercedes to one I had never been to before.  BUT, if you can
build a relationship with a shop, the good ones will treat you right.

 

Most of my job was dealing with the people who were trying to take
advantage of the company.   I remember one case in particular.  A
customer contacted me and said that we changed the oil and left it dry.
I immediately met the customer and had the car towed the dealership.  I
found that the engine was definitely smoked.  I looked at the window
sticker and it showed that we had changed the oil one year before and
the oil change was overdue by 22,000 miles.   I also saw the filter - it
was a fram filter from an O'Reilly's or Autozone - not a jiffy lube.
I asked the customer about this and he showed me a receipt that he
purported showed the oil was changed a few days prior.   The date had
been changed and it was obvious.  Our locations actually saved all of
the old repair orders.  We found the original one that showed the
correct mileage and date.  I refused to do anything. It was obvious we
were not responsible.  I never did find out if he changed it himself and
left it dry or if he waited 22, 000 miles and then changed it.  Either
way, it wasn't us.   

 

He sued us in small claims court and I appeared on behalf of the
company.   I was not a lawyer then, but was the company representative.
I showed the judge the altered repair order and the correct one and the
pictures of the oil filter. He dismissed the case, but not before
scolding the customer about bringing fraudulent cases to court. He said
if he ever brought another case based on lies and made up evidence he
would throw him in jail to think about it for a day. 

 

My point is not to defend the actions of jiffy lube on this video. These
guys are crooks and they should be shut down.  But, most of them are
good places. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K 

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Allan Streib]

"Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> No..It does nothing.  No noise, no forward, no reverse, only
> park.

If reverse does not work it's not the B2.  Normally with the B2 (well,
when mine failed, anyway) you can coax it into forward motion, at
least for a little while, and once you get into 3rd gear you're fine
(as long as you don't have to stop).

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] If it weren't for pesky sleazeballs

[Allan Streib]

"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Any of you familiar with such an operation? Sounds like he turns
> these cars around as a business, though he claimed not to be a
> dealer of any sort. I just wonder if these cars are stolen.

I don't buy lots of cars, but have bought enough of them to realize
that (in my experience) when you talk to anyone who sells them for a
living you cannot believe one single thing they say.  Nothing.

I'm sure there is the rare honest dealer out there, but once you've
caught one in a lie you can be sure that almost everything else he's
told you is also knowingly untrue or just made up.

You even have to be careful buying from a "private" seller; many times
car dealers will list some of their inventory in local classifieds,
with an individual (not dealership) name and phone number.  This is
especially likely if they want to show you the car at a mall parking
lot or someplace other than a private residence.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Ham licenses

[Allan Streib]

ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> three classes of US licenses currently being issued; no code
> required for any of them.

So, is there now a clique of "old-school" hams that knows code and
looks down with disdain on the "newbies" who can't do it?  Or does
everyone pretty much accept that it's just something that has no
practical value anymore.

How many actually still use code regularly?

Allan

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Gary Thompson]

You've pretty much got it. The hardest part is getting the starter
bolts and the two upper tranny to engine block bolts loose. These can
be pretty hard to reach and pretty tight if they haven't been touched
in 25 years.

Be sure to mark the driveshaft orientation before you colapse it. If
the two halves fall apart and you haven't marked it, you could be in
for some driveline vibration when you get things back together wrong.
Good opportunity to check the flex disks on both ends and the center
support mount and bearing as well.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Jeff,
 I intend to do just thatI would be out there right now doing so
but it is raining and nasty and I get to work on it outside in the dirt.
 So if I do find I need to pull the trans out is there anything that makes
this job any different from a typical American RWD drive car?  I have done
many Chevy, Ford and Dodge RWD tranny jobs...Torque converter, lines and
linkages, mount, bellhousing bolts, driveshaft.Anything I am missing?
Any special tools?

Thanks again, Mike

Re: [MBZ] Crawling on the high line video

[Allan Streib]

So just what the heck are they *doing* up there?  I saw the guy
crawling on the lines, but can't figure out what a single person with
hand tools could possibly "repair".  All that's up there are cables
and insulators.

Are they just "inspecting" ?  Seems that a video camera with a zoom
lens could do that from the ground with a lot less danger.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[Mike Canfield]

I'm watching my step very carefully.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg




Careful Mike, everytime I say something like that I do something extremely 
stupid...


-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:34:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
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Glad you figured it out Jim.I STILL have no idea how in the
world anyone could pump $50 worth of the wrong fuel without noticing
they
were doing it...Talk about not paying attention!!  She's just
lucky
you drive a tough car.

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A diesel wagon 4matic? In Indiana?

No it wasn't a diesel.  I typed TD without thinking.  It was a gasser.

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[andrew strasfogel]

Not to sound too pessimistic a note, but the transmissiion on my 83 300TD
failed at 140K miles with similar symptoms to yours - wouldn't move in
either direction.  I had to ahve it rebuilt, and the same thing happened
again at 200 K miles so I had it rebuilt again for another $1,700.  I'm now
at 280,000 miles 12 years later and it seems to be doing fine...  The
driveability of the 83s is great but you pay the price.  The 85
transmissions were much improved and seem to last forever but these cars are
less exciting to drive.

On 5/10/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, if the chances are that low then that is probably wheat happened to
mine..My luck runs like that.

In thinking of what the car has been doing lately, I recall that last
night
when I parked it I was letting it idle for a couple minutes( I live on a
large hill so I figure it's very good for the turbo) and heard what i
thought then was an exhaust leak up by the tranny...My exhaust system
is
in pretty rough shape so I wasn't too worried about it.  Sounded like a
rust
hole in the pipe or a slightly burnt out gasket would.
I am not sure if that is related or not but I don't hear the noise today
so...

So what years and models do I need to look for to get a replacement
tranny?
The pick and pull had a few last time I was there...I wonder if there
is
a good tranny.

Mike
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From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP


> What Jeff said... If reverse works, it's probably the B2. If no
> reverse, then things are a little more iffy. I've had a torque
> converter destroy itself, with similar symptoms, but that freakish
> series of events has zero chance of ever occuring again during the
> life of this universe.
>
>
> Gary Thompson
> 1995 E320
>
>
> On 5/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does reverse work??
>>
>> Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Mike Canfield]

Thanks Jeff,
 I intend to do just thatI would be out there right now doing so 
but it is raining and nasty and I get to work on it outside in the dirt.
 So if I do find I need to pull the trans out is there anything that makes 
this job any different from a typical American RWD drive car?  I have done 
many Chevy, Ford and Dodge RWD tranny jobs...Torque converter, lines and 
linkages, mount, bellhousing bolts, driveshaft.Anything I am missing? 
Any special tools?


Thanks again, Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP



I'd drop the pan and check for metal filings in the fluidcould be as
"simple" as a new front pump...could be catastrophic...you'll need to
take a closer , more serious look..


Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Gary Thompson]

If your time is free, salvage yard trannies can be a good bet. If
someone is charging you for R&R, or you feel your time is worth real
money, then it can sometimes be false economy. Last time I went
through 3 salvage trannies before I found a good one. That's three
gaskets and filters, 24 quarts of tranny fluid, and lots of labor.
Don't want to sound too discouraging, but you should know what you're
getting into. I'd do it again myself if I had to. It does get easier
the second time. I can now have a tranny out and back in in less than
3 hours from ramps to cold beverage :^)

If you choose to go that route, though, it's easiest to make sure you
get the exact same part number. Should be a 722.315 for any of the
300D turbos, I think. The number is stamped on the passenger side of
the transmission housing on the flange where the pan is mounted. In a
pinch, you can also use a tranny from a 300SD, but you'll have to swap
out the rear section of the housing to convert from the SD's electric
speedo to the 300D's mechanical speedo.

So my best guess is:
1982-1985 300D (except for some 1985 CA models that had 722.4xx)
1981-1985 300TD (don't know about 1985 CA issues)
1979-1985 300SD (with swap of rear section)

You might also need to watch out for differences in neutral safety
switch and kickdown wiring for some of the earlier model years. Not
sure.

Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, if the chances are that low then that is probably wheat happened to
mine..My luck runs like that.

In thinking of what the car has been doing lately, I recall that last night
when I parked it I was letting it idle for a couple minutes( I live on a
large hill so I figure it's very good for the turbo) and heard what i
thought then was an exhaust leak up by the tranny...My exhaust system is
in pretty rough shape so I wasn't too worried about it.  Sounded like a rust
hole in the pipe or a slightly burnt out gasket would.
 I am not sure if that is related or not but I don't hear the noise today
so...

So what years and models do I need to look for to get a replacement tranny?
The pick and pull had a few last time I was there...I wonder if there is
a good tranny.

Mike

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[Curt Raymond]

Careful Mike, everytime I say something like that I do something extremely 
stupid...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:34:16 -0400
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Glad you figured it out Jim.I STILL have no idea how in the 
world anyone could pump $50 worth of the wrong fuel without noticing 
they 
were doing it...Talk about not paying attention!!  She's just 
lucky 
you drive a tough car.

Mike

 
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Anything but bad fuel would surprise me - it's too much of a coincidence.
Keep us posted, Jim.

On 5/9/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Trouble!  My wife called me and said the car wouldn't start.  (She'd
> just filled it up, too, it turns out.  Bad fuel?)  After much fooling
> around I ended up with the key and over at the neighbor's where it
> sat.  (Better that it acted up there than just about anyplace other
> than our own driveway.)  Apparently it would crank OK, but not run.  I
> pumped the (new-style) primer, which felt a bit 'airy' at first, and
> it started right up.  As we prepared to caravan it home it started
> running rough and died.  Weird.  I pulled the primary fuel filter and
> it was very free.  So was the secondary, we dumped it out and saw no
> sign of water or dirt.  The contents looked, felt, and smelled like
> diesel.  The aluminum washer and its seat look somewhat galled,
> though.  Heavy-handed Hans may have had a whack at it.  I blew
> backwards into the fuel feed hose and that seemed to be OK.  I pulled
> off the vacuum shutoff, no difference: it would start fine, but not
> run well after a bit.  Sure seems like a cracked fuel line.  As
> re-starting it was so repeatable I gambled and drove it home, I
> figured that if it died I could just prime it and get going again,
> limping home that way.  It ran great in S, the only trouble it had was
> again at low RPM's at the house.  I parked it and went inside,
> disgusted.
>
> Oh, and the infamous CW is a 300D, 1983.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Mike Canfield]

Well, if the chances are that low then that is probably wheat happened to 
mine..My luck runs like that.


In thinking of what the car has been doing lately, I recall that last night 
when I parked it I was letting it idle for a couple minutes( I live on a 
large hill so I figure it's very good for the turbo) and heard what i 
thought then was an exhaust leak up by the tranny...My exhaust system is 
in pretty rough shape so I wasn't too worried about it.  Sounded like a rust 
hole in the pipe or a slightly burnt out gasket would.
 I am not sure if that is related or not but I don't hear the noise today 
so...


So what years and models do I need to look for to get a replacement tranny? 
The pick and pull had a few last time I was there...I wonder if there is 
a good tranny.


Mike
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What Jeff said... If reverse works, it's probably the B2. If no
reverse, then things are a little more iffy. I've had a torque
converter destroy itself, with similar symptoms, but that freakish
series of events has zero chance of ever occuring again during the
life of this universe.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does reverse work??

Jeff Zedic


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Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[TimothyPilgrim]

Well, we all know now how good Jiffy Lube is at their work.

http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k.asx

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:45:12 -0500
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

Looks like a nice car.  Silver exterior grey interior, serviced here in
Wichita its whole life except for one year when it was in Houston.
While it was in Houston - the owner's daughter brought it to Jiffy Lube
and they somehow screwed up the oil change - hence the factory rebuild
engine.

Donald H. Snook
1990 300SEL 137K

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Jeff Zedic]

I'd drop the pan and check for metal filings in the fluidcould be as
"simple" as a new front pump...could be catastrophic...you'll need to
take a closer , more serious look..


Jeff Zedic

Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC

[TimothyPilgrim]

I've got a 124 4Matic wagon and it's broke. I didn't know when I
bought it because the purchase was made in summer on good roads. I
didn't know that it was inoperative until the first snow of last
winter when my summer tires couldn't keep me going straight. I had new
snows put on the car drove like a charm. Since the older 4Matic system
was normally RWD, engaging the system at the first signs of wheel
slippage, but not in my car, it drove like a normal RWD car with good
snow tires. We made it through the winter with no problems at all,
plus it was fun to break the rear loose around corners when I wanted
by merely applying a little extra throttle upon entry. What joy!

I'm told by one former-Benz now indy mechanic that replacing the seals
for the first transfer case (which had some seepage upon initial
inspection) would be a $500 job. I'm told by another former-Benz now
indy mechanic that there is only one shop in North America that can
rebuild the tranfer case and it's obviously not cheap. I'm considering
merely leaving the car as it is or going the seal replacement route.
The only downside to having a RWD 4Matic is the increase fuel
consumption, which is horrific compared to my thrifty little VW TDI.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic (actually 2Matic)
2000 VW Golf TDI

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I'd say that also if I was trying to bail out of one these money pits. I know
a local guy who used to own a very pretty 124 4-matic wagon as a business car
and he finally gave up and bought a VW diesel (Jetta, something?) and he was
one of many on the other MB lists who had replaced transfer cases because of
fluid swaps between the transmissions and transfer cases. It's seal failure and
"maintenance" is not the cause but just a bad design. MB gave up on this
design years ago and they have a new design (again) on the '07/'08 cars.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Donald Snook]

John Freer wrote: 

 

"I think you mean a 210."   

 

You are right. I meant 210.  I looked the car over for the rust issue -
the shock towers show no sign of rust.  I did a little research and
found cases of rust problems in the 97-99 models. But not in the 1996.
I wonder if something changed between models.  I do like the fit and
finish of the 124 more.  Perhaps I can find a nice 95 124 special
edition with all the extras including the traction control (or whatever
they call it).  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344

 

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Mike Canfield]

No..It does nothing.  No noise, no forward, no reverse, only park.

Mike
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Does reverse work??

Jeff Zedic
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[MBZ] R350/320 CDI

[wilton strickland]

--looks like a Pacifica?

'May be - 'haven't seen it yet.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Gary Thompson]

What Jeff said... If reverse works, it's probably the B2. If no
reverse, then things are a little more iffy. I've had a torque
converter destroy itself, with similar symptoms, but that freakish
series of events has zero chance of ever occuring again during the
life of this universe.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does reverse work??

Jeff Zedic

Re: [MBZ] Ham licenses [was: Re: Severe weather]

[Gary Thompson]

My first license was in 1972 ( I was 12 at the time). WN3WFZ. finally
let WB5SQG lapse in 1988. It was an excellent outlet for a tinkerer
until wife, kids, and diesel MBs came along :^)


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/9/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My first license, WN6NFX, was in November, 1964. I was later WB6NFX as a
Technician, but I never was able to get the code above 13 wpm to pass the
General.

Re: [MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Jeff Zedic]

Does reverse work??

Jeff Zedic

Re: [MBZ] R350 CDI

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

When I was at the stealer's last week, I saw a ML320 cdi with 4-matic.
Looked like an interesting possibility.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI
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On Wed, 9 May 2007, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On 5/9/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is that the big soccer-mom-mobile that looks like a Chrysler Pacifica?

Thats the soccer-mom-mobile that is a heavily stiffened chrysler pacifica.
-j.



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[MBZ] 83 TD...Tranny quit...HELP!!!!

[Mike Canfield]

Hey All,
  As some of you know, I just picked up an 83 300TD.  It has been running 
absolutely beautiful until this morning.
  To start things off it's my girlfriends birthday so something bad was bound 
to happen..

Anyway, she got up and headed for work in the TD this morning and got about 1/2 
mile away and called to tell me the car is in drive but will not go.  She said 
it made a loud bang and just quit going.  I figured a u-joint or flex disk 
failure...No such luck.

Fluid level is fine, fluid does not smell burnt, linkages and driveshaft are 
all fine; torque converter is turning  but the tranny does nothing at all.  
Park is the only thing that works..

HELP  Is this the infamous B2 piston failure?  Does my car have that?  How 
hard to fix?  I can't afford to buy or rebuild a tranny...Heck, I can't 
even afford the parts to fix it right now..

Figures...

THanks all,
Mike
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Glad you figured it out Jim.I STILL have no idea how in the
world anyone could pump $50 worth of the wrong fuel without noticing they
were doing it...Talk about not paying attention!!  She's just lucky
you drive a tough car.

Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg


> When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection,
> she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel.
> She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd
> gone to a different station than usual.  She remembers "87" on the
> pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did.
>
> Yeah, that'll do it.  That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of
> the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing
> through the main fuel filter.  The large reserve capacity in the tank
> explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with
> the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously
> gasoline nor to keep it from running.  It explains everything.
> Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust,
> there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage.
>
> Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three
> gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution
> to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%.  That should
> get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing
> the dilution down to something tolerable.  Over time I can then use up
> this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the
> dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] R350 CDI

[John W. Reames III]

On Wed, 9 May 2007, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On 5/9/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is that the big soccer-mom-mobile that looks like a Chrysler Pacifica?

Thats the soccer-mom-mobile that is a heavily stiffened chrysler pacifica.
-j.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Repair Manuals Online for W126's

[jwreames]

I have a 2 cd set where the CD labels look like 126 speedometers.  That is VERY 
useful; however some jobs are not all there; I think om617 head 
removal/installation is missing one page, as an example.

-j.

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> what could I loose.  Well, FORGET IT.
>   It doesn't have much more than what comes in the book which comes
> with the car. 
> I would be very skeptical of any Maint. CD unless you know
> someone who has one.
> 
> Walt Lasher
> Seattle
> W140  S350
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Re: [MBZ] Ham licenses [was: Re: Severe weather]

[ernest breakfield]

three classes of US licenses currently being issued; no code required 
for any of them.


cheers/73!
e

N6ZES (originally KC6KMV)


Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Wed, 9 May 2007 11:26:01 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Yup - didn't get my first ham license until 1966.

Tom - you really need to consider getting your license now - no code
requirement. The test is mostly rules and regs, it has a LOT less
technical content.



My first license, WN6NFX, was in November, 1964. I was later WB6NFX as a
Technician, but I never was able to get the code above 13 wpm to pass the
General.

What's the skinny on licenses these days?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] R350 CDI

[Kevin Kraly]

Man!  If I put the amount of his car payment into my SD every month, it 
would be A1!  Of course, it would be quite nice to ride around in an 
R320CDI.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[Kevin Kraly]

So your DIESEL Mercedes now has a GAS problem, eh? :-)

At least it wasn't something horrible.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267k miles, Ursula, still kickin'

[MBZ] If it weren't for pesky sleazeballs

[Zoltan Finks]

We have been looking into an 84 190D recently and trying to work with the
shady seller via phone. To his credit? he agreed to take it to a mechanic
for inspection on our dime. This English-challenged seller played innocent
and noble all the way.

The mechanic promptly sent me 10 pics of car, revealing pealing paint,
cracking bondo, cracked chrome on wheel, badly unevenly worn tires, shifter
console lifting up, bent rear link causing tow-in, steering wheel put on
crooked, etc.

When the seller finally called my $100 poorer butt back, and I said "do you
really want me to go down the list?" and "I'd pay no more than $1500" (the
engine and tranny and showed no problems so I figured I could maybe use
them), his tone changed from aloof to more urgent and sales-pitchy and the
tables had turned. He proceeded to be caught in several lies, changing from
inexperienced innocent guy who happened to have the car, to someone very
knowledgeable about these cars, able to get a 190E complete for $200
dollars, and swap out parts, and have his mechanics replace anything needed
for 1/4 of the price of any other mechanic.

Any of you familiar with such an operation? Sounds like he turns these cars
around as a business, though he claimed not to be a dealer of any sort. I
just wonder if these cars are stolen.

One of the things that gets me the most is that these people play the
language-barrier card, and the poor immigrant card to exercise their deceit.
It makes it hard not to give in to the tendency to hate these people. I
really wanted this car and was temporarily naive enough to think we might
have found a gem.

Brian
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] TE

[Zoltan Finks]

Why so cheap I wonder?

Brian


On 5/9/07, Frederick Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/327293186.html
No Affil. etc.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA


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Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[Zoltan Finks]

Funny headline, and a fear of mine. Wife has never fueled our diesel vehicle
before, and tends to have mind on much more important things than small,
smelly details.

Brian


On 5/10/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection,
she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel.
She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd
gone to a different station than usual.  She remembers "87" on the
pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did.

Yeah, that'll do it.  That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of
the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing
through the main fuel filter.  The large reserve capacity in the tank
explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with
the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously
gasoline nor to keep it from running.  It explains everything.
Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust,
there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage.

Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three
gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution
to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%.  That should
get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing
the dilution down to something tolerable.  Over time I can then use up
this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the
dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[John M McIntosh]

On May 9, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection,
she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel.


Ah, yes my wife did that 2 years back too, except it was premium  
(actually high octane 94 preimum so even more money)
She kept her foot on the accelerator so it wouldn't stall out at the  
lights on the way to the dealer, ran funny she said.


I was out of town, so ]total costs came in at > $250, gas, filters  
changed by dealer, disposal of fuel (hazard waste you know), oh and
renting a car with 30 minutes notice, you want a car, you want it now? 
Hertz does  NOT have a deal for you...


On the plus side 50K miles later there wasn't any impact on the IP or  
injectors as far as I could tell based on milage or performance.


John
1983 300TDt  386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  193k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 190k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

[MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg

[Jim Cathey]

When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection,
she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel.
She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd
gone to a different station than usual.  She remembers "87" on the
pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did.

Yeah, that'll do it.  That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of
the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing
through the main fuel filter.  The large reserve capacity in the tank
explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with
the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously
gasoline nor to keep it from running.  It explains everything.
Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust,
there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage.

Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three
gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution
to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%.  That should
get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing
the dilution down to something tolerable.  Over time I can then use up
this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the
dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 87 300D for $3750 no affiliation

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:18:53 -0500 "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No affiliation to this car.  177K miles seems like a cheap price (at
> least for what I have seen these sell for) 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=220964004

And it's in Oklahoma City. Great pictures, though.


Craig

[MBZ] Ham licenses [was: Re: Severe weather]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 9 May 2007 11:26:01 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yup - didn't get my first ham license until 1966.
> 
> Tom - you really need to consider getting your license now - no code
> requirement. The test is mostly rules and regs, it has a LOT less
> technical content.

My first license, WN6NFX, was in November, 1964. I was later WB6NFX as a
Technician, but I never was able to get the code above 13 wpm to pass the
General.

What's the skinny on licenses these days?


Craig

[MBZ] Chicken Wagon lays an egg

[Jim Cathey]

Trouble!  My wife called me and said the car wouldn't start.  (She'd
just filled it up, too, it turns out.  Bad fuel?)  After much fooling
around I ended up with the key and over at the neighbor's where it
sat.  (Better that it acted up there than just about anyplace other
than our own driveway.)  Apparently it would crank OK, but not run.  I
pumped the (new-style) primer, which felt a bit 'airy' at first, and
it started right up.  As we prepared to caravan it home it started
running rough and died.  Weird.  I pulled the primary fuel filter and
it was very free.  So was the secondary, we dumped it out and saw no
sign of water or dirt.  The contents looked, felt, and smelled like
diesel.  The aluminum washer and its seat look somewhat galled,
though.  Heavy-handed Hans may have had a whack at it.  I blew
backwards into the fuel feed hose and that seemed to be OK.  I pulled
off the vacuum shutoff, no difference: it would start fine, but not
run well after a bit.  Sure seems like a cracked fuel line.  As
re-starting it was so repeatable I gambled and drove it home, I
figured that if it died I could just prime it and get going again,
limping home that way.  It ran great in S, the only trouble it had was
again at low RPM's at the house.  I parked it and went inside,
disgusted.

Oh, and the infamous CW is a 300D, 1983.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Tell me why I shouldn't buy this car

[Jim Cathey]

So, what don't I know about the early model 201's that I should know?


That they are all 190D/190E's?  :-)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

[Zeitgeist]

I think the Audi's are superior, primarily because they've dispensed with
the transfer-case altogether, which is the problematic area for MB.  Audi
uses a simple transaxle with an output shaft for the rear wheels--very
simple...oh, and it's all wheel drive, as opposed to being triggered by a %
of detected slippage.  My Audi also has a user-selectable locking rear
diff.   I still think 4wd is mostly useless, no matter what you drive.

On 5/9/07, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Every mechanic I've ever asked about the W124 4Matics has said,
basically, "If you want a four-wheel-drive German car, get an Audi."
I don't know anything about the 4Matic 210 and later cars.  I do know
that the Quattro drivetrains in '80s Audis are typically
trouble-free---probably the most reliable part of the car (whereas in
the 4Matic the all-wheel-drive system is, from some reports, the least
reliable part).



--
Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler/propane
'94 100CSQ Avant
'90 90Q
'89 Bluestar

Re: [MBZ] Crawling on the high line video

[Zaphod]

And to think an illegal would have done the same job for $3/hour.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's a reply from someone who knows what he is talking about. This job
IS
tougher than your job, whatever it was.

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RLE



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[MBZ] Crawling on the high line video

[RELNGSON]

Here's a reply from someone who knows what he is talking about. This job IS 
tougher than your job, whatever it was.

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