[MBZ] now that you've somehow got me on the steve winwood fetish
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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Jim Cathey wrote: We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the engine. (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters will support my chain hoist. We've got three bodies, so removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.) If the rafters will hold, the 2x6's should be fine. I built a A-frame hoist stand. The top beam is a pair of 10ft 2x6 in a 'V'. It just so happens the angle of the 'V' matches the angle of the legs. I put a oak 1x5 (from an old pallet) across the top in the center to deal with the abuse from the chain to which the chain hoist was attached. I have pulled a few Chevy small-blocks with transmission attached (117 mm manual and 700R4 autos) with that rig. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cash for clunkers recycling
It's true. I have done a couple oil changes, but I don't have to get my hands dirty now that they take them into the local Jiffy Lube. The only car that I enjoy working on is the Mercedes, and it's not the daily driver. The others go to the shop. . After a $1500 head gasket job, that Durango's still overheating. I'm so glad I didn't get involved in that one, way out of my league! I did suggest a radiator flush and flow test in the beginning, and now that all other cooling system components have been replaced, my suggestion may actually be followed through if it isn't too late. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T 2 x 6 Strength on Engine hoist.
To increase the strength of the 2x6s in this application, sandwich a piece of 1/2 plywood between them. The strength factors is blown way up. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 2:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery Jim Cathey wrote: We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the engine. (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters will support my chain hoist. We've got three bodies, so removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.) If the rafters will hold, the 2x6's should be fine. I built a A-frame hoist stand. The top beam is a pair of 10ft 2x6 in a 'V'. It just so happens the angle of the 'V' matches the angle of the legs. I put a oak 1x5 (from an old pallet) across the top in the center to deal with the abuse from the chain to which the chain hoist was attached. I have pulled a few Chevy small-blocks with transmission attached (117 mm manual and 700R4 autos) with that rig. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/a0f4c323/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:55 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908021452g42493643m7b1dbb97db977...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In what snow we get in OK - yes. I never had any problems driving my SLC in snow - at least not any different from any other car i've owned. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? -Curt -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/927c5da7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
I posted about this yesterday and Dwight has already sent me 2 Craigs finds.. One of which actually looks like a pretty good deal. The other sounds like my welder would get good exercise... -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:43:26 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a7f4146a-7fc6-11de-95a3-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed An SL seems like a lot more fun to drive if less practical. Yes, and yes. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. You, my man, are in! Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? Yes. But they're rust magnets. They don't handle snow chains quite as well as the old gullwings do, either. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/be4cf1a1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cash for clunkers recycling
Sounds like a snobby Mercedes mechanic won't distain to work on other marques
so those other vehicles are suffering from poor maintenance ;)
-Curt
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:02:12 -0700
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Most newer cars, IMO, are clunkers compared to the old 300SD. I wouldn't
trust either of my sisters-in-law's vehicles ('00 Dodge Durango 130Kmi or
the '95 Isuzu Rodeo 206Kmi) to go across town let alone across country!
They would both overheat and/or explode! When they break down, it's either
the '07 Ram or the 300SD that gets used. It's more dependable, but I can't
get either one of them to buy it from me. It's so much easier to work on
the Mercedes!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
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Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
As was mentioned, you want good winter tires. IMHO, you want 2 sandbags in the trunk too. Other than that, the 107 is as good as any rwd car in snow. It will go anywhere until it floats on the belly pan. I'd suggest looking for a 380SL of the later years with the double row timing chain, unless the owner can prove they paid for a double row chain conversion. It saves the hassle of pulling a valve cover to find out if it has a single chain. Daughter's is a 1985. They are a pain to get in and out of. At 08:08 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote: I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:55 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908021452g42493643m7b1dbb97db977...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In what snow we get in OK - yes. I never had any problems driving my SLC in snow - at least not any different from any other car i've owned. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? -Curt -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/927c5da7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
I've never been able to come to grips with adding weight to a car foe snow. Added mass was is harder to start and stop in physics lab 101. My 2 WD Ford F-250 is terrible in the snow, it gets stuck on wet grass with my 5th wheel on (About 2,000 pin weight) -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:08:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:55 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908021452g42493643m7b1dbb97db977...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In what snow we get in OK - yes. I never had any problems driving my SLC in snow - at least not any different from any other car i've owned. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? -Curt -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/927c5da7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/c649496b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders available via CA Classic Center
How much were they Glenn? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders available via CA Classic Center Mmmm - mine are now cheaper: ebay item #200365161224 Chris --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders available via CA Classic Center To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:40 PM What sort of price, and where elsewhere are they lower than? glenn brown wrote: For those of you who may be interested, new W123 fenders (front rear) are available thru the MBUSA CA Classic Center at prices lower than those found elsewhere. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ Windows Live^(TM) Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c53eb6d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.36/2272 - Release Date: 07/30/09 05:58:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090731/c1be06bc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
All pickups are worthless in snow, unless you add 500lb to 1000 lb in the bed. (or have and engage 4WD) As for the wet grass, you need a better tire. Wet grass, when trying to move a lot of weight, with little percentage of that weight on the drive axle, is about like driving on ice. Physics:it is true, that less weight takes lass energy to get started, and to stop. The problem is that inadequate friction between the drive wheels and the contact surface trumps the pure physics. Add to that a normal differential, and you are trying to move 10-15,000 lb of truck and trailer on the traction of the RR tire. THere is maybe 50 sq. inches of contact area between tire and ground to move that load. I had a U-100 bronco that I hung a very heavy blade on. The result was only a few hundred pounds on the rear axle, and almost all weight on the front axle. It could barely move on dry ground in 2WD. I added 15 4x8x16 solid cement blocks in the bed area behind the seats, and it made a world of difference. With that weight and the weight of the blade, the thing was unstoppable until the axles started to plow ground. In the same way, a loaded straight truck will go down the road safely in ice and snow that prohibits anything but snowmobiles and large 4WD tractors. Why do you think the hwy departments load down straight trucks and use them to plow snow? If they were empty, they could not go anywhere. Increasing contact area without increasing weight (adding oversize tires) also does not work. The oversize tires float on the ice, snow, or mud, and spin because there is not enough weight to make good contact. At 09:08 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote: I've never been able to come to grips with adding weight to a car foe snow. Added mass was is harder to start and stop in physics lab 101. My 2 WD Ford F-250 is terrible in the snow, it gets stuck on wet grass with my 5th wheel on (About 2,000 pin weight) -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:08:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:55 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908021452g42493643m7b1dbb97db977...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In what snow we get in OK - yes. I never had any problems driving my SLC in snow - at least not any different from any other car i've owned. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? -Curt -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/927c5da7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/c649496b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. Has anyone successfully restored one of these? Andrew 1983. 1985 300TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d66251d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
andrew strasfogel wrote: Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. The hole in the dash gaps away from the cluster, or the cluster is losing its clear face? I think there are supposed to be metal clips holding the face on the cluster, but it's been a while (7 years) since I had one apart. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Yes. Works well, if you don't make a mess! (And if you get it fixed before you snap the plastic in half pulling on it the next time. Ask me how I know!) Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. The gasket wasn't originally glued on. It's a big ring, did you rip yours in half? Glue it back together off the cluster, and forgo any glue to the cluster. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
I've never been able to come to grips with adding weight to a car foe snow. Added mass was is harder to start and stop in physics lab 101. As some editor at Car and Driver (?) so aptly said once: that's why Goodyear doesn't hire first-year physics students to design tires! There are _many_ more factors here at work. Worst winter traction I've ever had was in my big pickup truck, with the original tires on. Best winter traction I've ever had was in my big pickup truck, with aggressive tread tires and the camper on! Amazingly good traction, no slipping even on glare ice. My 2 WD Ford F-250 is terrible in the snow, it gets stuck on wet grass with my 5th wheel on (About 2,000 pin weight) A fifth-wheel is a lot of dead weight to pull with one tire! Works fine on the highway, though. There is maybe 50 sq. inches of contact area between tire and ground to move that load. Less, I'd say. The truck probably weighs some 6000#, and it's not evenly distributed. Call it a generous 1500#, plus half the trailer's pin weight for 2500#. 60 PSI in the tires? That's 42 in^2 of contact patch to push the entire combined weight around. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
Hi Peter: I guess that's why my college physics class had a lab component. Theories need to be tested out in the lab to see if they really worked! Adding a sandbag or two to the trunk has a trivial effect on the overall weight, but shifts the CG enough to the rear to greatly improve traction. Some cars I've driven have done surprisingly well in the snow without any added weight in the trunk. For example, several Volvo 122s and several Mercedes 123s I have owned. Others were transformed by adding even one sandbag to the trunk, such as a police model Chevy Caprice (1990?) I used to drive. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars I've never been able to come to grips with adding weight to a car foe snow. Added mass was is harder to start and stop in physics lab 101. My 2 WD Ford F-250 is terrible in the snow, it gets stuck on wet grass with my 5th wheel on (About 2,000 pin weight) -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:08:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:55 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908021452g42493643m7b1dbb97db977...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In what snow we get in OK - yes. I never had any problems driving my SLC in snow - at least not any different from any other car i've owned. My wife has expressed an interest in one too. Are they fairly driveable in the snow assuming snowtires and proper weight? -Curt -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/92 7c5da7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/c6 49496b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Real Man's 230SL
On today's Bring a Trailer: http://bringatrailer.com/2009/08/02/unique-track-car-1964-mercedes-banz-230sl/ Talk about a sleeper Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Real Man's 230SL
Wow, that is a beautiful car On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:47 -0700, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: On today's Bring a Trailer: http://bringatrailer.com/2009/08/02/unique-track-car-1964-mercedes-banz-230sl/ Talk about a sleeper Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Real Man's 230SL
Another comment on the 230SL piece gave the results from the 1964 Spa-Sofia-Liége Rally, in which a 230SL finished 3rd, proving that a 230SL wasn't that slow after all. (winner was a Big Healey) Then I noticed that the SL finished between a couple of 3 cylinder Saabs (would those have been 750s or 850s in 1964?), and a 220SE finished 6th. (Mr and Mrs Carlsson were driving the Saabs, that might make a difference. Didn't Pat die a year or two ago?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Real Man's 230SL
A friend of mine has a showroom condition 66 230SL, white with black interior, totally gorgeous, he drives it all over but keeps it looking new. He bought it in like 68 or 69, got tired of breaking valve springs in Corvettes, so stepped up. --R LWB250 wrote: On today's Bring a Trailer: http://bringatrailer.com/2009/08/02/unique-track-car-1964-mercedes-banz-230sl/ Talk about a sleeper Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T 2 x 6 Strength on Engine hoist.
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: To increase the strength of the 2x6s in this application, sandwich a piece of 1/2 plywood between them. The strength factors is blown way up. Can't make a sandwich with the 2x6's in a 'V' -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Ha! So that rubber strip just sort of sits there, unglued? How did it fall into my lap? On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Yes. Works well, if you don't make a mess! (And if you get it fixed before you snap the plastic in half pulling on it the next time. Ask me how I know!) Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. The gasket wasn't originally glued on. It's a big ring, did you rip yours in half? Glue it back together off the cluster, and forgo any glue to the cluster. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/6d80cd27/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
'How bout getting another cluster from any 123 in salvage yard and transfer your speedo, etc., to it? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. Has anyone successfully restored one of these? Andrew 1983. 1985 300TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d66251d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap '87 300D - Portland CL
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1299819599.html Sounds suspicious. Why don't they just charge the battery, take the fuel filter off, fill it with Diesel Purge or something, and put it back on, since a car that starts would go for twice as much money at least? I also don't like the sound of My friend put a new heater core in it. If you had the dash out to do a heater-core-ectomy, wouldn't you also do an evapectomy at the same time, and then say that in the ad? Or does an amateur heater core replacement really mean My friend took the dash apart and did a bad job putting it back together, and now the ACC and everything else electrical in the dash is FUBAR? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T 2 x 6 Strength on Engine hoist.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: pm7...@comcast.net wrote: To increase the strength of the 2x6s in this application, sandwich a piece of 1/2 plywood between them. The strength factors is blown way up. Can't make a sandwich with the 2x6's in a 'V' Why am I suddenly reminded of this? http://spine.stevedinn.com/article.php?sid=670 Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap '87 300D - Portland CL
A pity, but may be a good deal for somebody. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: [MBZ] Cheap '87 300D - Portland CL http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1299819599.html Sounds suspicious. Why don't they just charge the battery, take the fuel filter off, fill it with Diesel Purge or something, and put it back on, since a car that starts would go for twice as much money at least? I also don't like the sound of My friend put a new heater core in it. If you had the dash out to do a heater-core-ectomy, wouldn't you also do an evapectomy at the same time, and then say that in the ad? Or does an amateur heater core replacement really mean My friend took the dash apart and did a bad job putting it back together, and now the ACC and everything else electrical in the dash is FUBAR? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Yes, but that will likely have a similar split between glass and housing at the top of the cluster. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'How bout getting another cluster from any 123 in salvage yard and transfer your speedo, etc., to it? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. Has anyone successfully restored one of these? Andrew 1983. 1985 300TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d66251d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/015441fb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap '87 300D - Portland CL
I don't know, the whole add just screams fraud to me. Listed for a friend, salvage title, as well as these other issues On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:15 -0400, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: A pity, but may be a good deal for somebody. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: [MBZ] Cheap '87 300D - Portland CL http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1299819599.html Sounds suspicious. Why don't they just charge the battery, take the fuel filter off, fill it with Diesel Purge or something, and put it back on, since a car that starts would go for twice as much money at least? I also don't like the sound of My friend put a new heater core in it. If you had the dash out to do a heater-core-ectomy, wouldn't you also do an evapectomy at the same time, and then say that in the ad? Or does an amateur heater core replacement really mean My friend took the dash apart and did a bad job putting it back together, and now the ACC and everything else electrical in the dash is FUBAR? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
More weight = greater downpressure = greater traction, the mass you're trying to move actually has remarkably little to do with it. Notice how big trucks have less trouble getting moving in snow than most cars... Narrower tires help too as the weight PSI is greater than with fat tires. This is a very common problem with fullsize pickup trucks in more recent years. Old school skinny tires are better... The other problem I've had with 2wd trucks, particularly those with big engines that people use for towing, is that theres too much power making it too easy to break traction. Once you break traction once in snow (especially wet sloppy snow and ice) you're screwed. My Dakota wasn't great in the snow, the v8 had way too much power. My Ranger is much better but still too powerful to be seriously good. My '88 GMC Jimmy S15 2.8l v6 was fantastic. narrow tires (205s IIRC) and low horsepower (95hp?) plus the 5spd manual and availablity of low range made it cruise through most anything. The SUV body was heavier than the pickup too. You want a pickup to do better in the snow take off the bumper and cut a piece of railroad rail to match the width of the frame rails and bolt it securely between the rails, put the bumper back on. My uncle Reg did that on an old Chevy he had (well it wasn't old when he did it) and the added weight helped the balance of the truck immensely. -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:08:29 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 960742512.5929811249308509677.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I've never been able to come to grips with adding weight to a car foe snow. Added mass was is harder to start and stop in physics lab 101. My 2 WD Ford F-250 is terrible in the snow, it gets stuck on wet grass with my 5th wheel on (About 2,000 pin weight) -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:08:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars I'm pretty well convinced that people who have trouble driving in the snow have never had snow tires or properly weighted their car and are probably clueless... The only time I've ever had real trouble was the second winter I had my 240D when it had balding all season tires and it was a disaster. Got snows put on and it was like it was glued to the road. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/143416f0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
'Had one here somewhere; 'don't remember any split. I'll check attic, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Yes, but that will likely have a similar split between glass and housing at the top of the cluster. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'How bout getting another cluster from any 123 in salvage yard and transfer your speedo, etc., to it? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. Has anyone successfully restored one of these? Andrew 1983. 1985 300TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d66251d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/015441fb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. A cement truck loaded will go anywhere. Empty it'll get stuck anywhere. Look at how fat the tires are. They're fat like that to support the loaded weight. Take all that weight out and they just don't have any pressure. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:41:16 -0500 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.623.1249310648.10590.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed All pickups are worthless in snow, unless you add 500lb to 1000 lb in the bed. (or have and engage 4WD) As for the wet grass, you need a better tire. Wet grass, when trying to move a lot of weight, with little percentage of that weight on the drive axle, is about like driving on ice. Physics:it is true, that less weight takes lass energy to get started, and to stop. The problem is that inadequate friction between the drive wheels and the contact surface trumps the pure physics. Add to that a normal differential, and you are trying to move 10-15,000 lb of truck and trailer on the traction of the RR tire. THere is maybe 50 sq. inches of contact area between tire and ground to move that load. I had a U-100 bronco that I hung a very heavy blade on. The result was only a few hundred pounds on the rear axle, and almost all weight on the front axle. It could barely move on dry ground in 2WD. I added 15 4x8x16 solid cement blocks in the bed area behind the seats, and it made a world of difference. With that weight and the weight of the blade, the thing was unstoppable until the axles started to plow ground. In the same way, a loaded straight truck will go down the road safely in ice and snow that prohibits anything but snowmobiles and large 4WD tractors. Why do you think the hwy departments load down straight trucks and use them to plow snow? If they were empty, they could not go anywhere. Increasing contact area without increasing weight (adding oversize tires) also does not work. The oversize tires float on the ice, snow, or mud, and spin because there is not enough weight to make good contact. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/ff654e8c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
Our '07 4WD Dodge pickup with stock tires is useless in the snow and ice! My mom's '06 HHR did much better on the streets during our rare Portland snow storm last year, even those that were not plowed or packed down. It definitely needs some aggressive tires on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cash for clunkers recycling
Sounds like a snobby Mercedes mechanic won't distain to work on other marques so those other vehicles are suffering from poor maintenance ;) You've got it :D! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Can't find it; must have thrown it away in moment of weakness when my first 123 was wrecked in '95. BTW, I do have a 123 driver side mirror. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing 'Had one here somewhere; 'don't remember any split. I'll check attic, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Yes, but that will likely have a similar split between glass and housing at the top of the cluster. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'How bout getting another cluster from any 123 in salvage yard and transfer your speedo, etc., to it? Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing Having been pulled out reinstalled half a dozen times in 26 years, the instrument housing on my 1983 300TD has separated from the glass so there is an ugly gap at the top. Has anyone ever tried to glue the glass back to the plastic frame of the housing? Also, the rubber gasket came off and after I reattached it with contact cement I couldn't squeeze the d**ned thing back into the opening. The only fix was to rip off the gasket. Has anyone successfully restored one of these? Andrew 1983. 1985 300TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d66251d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/015441fb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1995 E300D - $3900
Last year of the W124
OM606 engine...I think that is an inline 6 with 24 valves, right?
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Chris
126.120.161734 ('85 300SD) 245K miles Wulf
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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 090803 2.550 2.579 2.637 2.671 2.535 2.520 2.513 2.537 2.643 2.763 090727 2.528 2.550 2.613 2.643 2.505 2.500 2.493 2.540 2.617 2.720 090720 2.496 2.514 2.600 2.630 2.456 2.470 2.443 2.559 2.595 2.703 090713 2.542 2.559 2.623 2.663 2.508 2.512 2.494 2.619 2.641 2.727 090706 2.594 2.609 2.656 2.714 2.560 2.565 2.547 2.648 2.706 2.787 090629 2.608 2.629 2.666 2.726 2.584 2.578 2.569 2.631 2.712 2.785 090622 2.616 2.634 2.670 2.730 2.590 2.587 2.583 2.614 2.720 2.789 090615 2.572 2.601 2.651 2.696 2.556 2.546 2.543 2.520 2.655 2.734 090608 2.498 2.516 2.566 2.619 2.468 2.474 2.474 2.442 2.603 2.676 090601 2.352 2.369 2.438 2.457 2.326 2.322 2.323 2.343 2.460 2.502 090525 2.274 2.305 2.409 2.410 2.251 2.229 2.242 2.302 2.384 2.407 090518 2.231 2.276 2.401 2.396 2.213 2.170 2.210 2.274 2.340 2.354 090511 2.216 2.255 2.395 2.386 2.186 2.156 2.198 2.270 2.329 2.337 090504 2.185 2.226 2.382 2.365 2.152 2.124 2.153 2.262 2.306 2.316 090427 2.201 2.241 2.395 2.374 2.171 2.142 2.171 2.270 2.315 2.320 090420 2.221 2.264 2.403 2.392 2.197 2.166 2.186 2.274 2.327 2.340 090413 2.229 2.273 2.420 2.402 2.204 2.175 2.202 2.250 2.336 2.350 090406 2.228 2.279 2.429 2.419 2.205 2.178 2.210 2.213 2.311 2.335 090330 2.221 2.281 2.424 2.399 2.218 2.176 2.203 2.146 2.282 2.297 090323 2.090 2.166 2.403 2.315 2.081 2.038 2.060 2.036 2.150 2.129 090316 2.017 2.093 2.403 2.254 1.995 1.965 1.973 1.988 2.091 2.049 090309 2.045 2.122 2.434 2.287 2.022 1.988 2.006 2.017 2.120 2.075 090302 2.087 2.153 2.472 2.314 2.055 2.030 2.043 2.091 2.185 2.144 090223 2.130 2.199 2.514 2.368 2.098 2.071 2.074 2.158 2.238 2.219 090216 2.186 2.250 2.559 2.420 2.148 2.137 2.133 2.183 2.284 2.262 090209 2.219 2.296 2.576 2.450 2.205 2.173 2.156 2.211 2.292 2.269 090202 2.246 2.325 2.583 2.484 2.233 2.201 2.189 2.229 2.303 2.288 090126 2.268 2.344 2.595 2.490 2.258 2.232 2.202 2.243 2.319 2.296 090119 2.296 2.377 2.613 2.514 2.297 2.264 2.227 2.249 2.338 2.319 090112 2.314 2.395 2.621 2.516 2.322 2.289 2.244 2.235 2.353 2.334 090105 2.291 2.380 2.596 2.496 2.310 2.272 2.228 2.215 2.275 2.239 081229 2.327 2.423 2.638 2.536 2.355 2.314 2.264 2.250 2.273 2.241 081222 2.366 2.469 2.689 2.566 2.406 2.359 2.306 2.272 2.274 2.251 081215 2.422 2.534 2.740 2.642 2.469 2.406 2.378 2.350 2.303 2.292 081208 2.515 2.632 2.849 2.742 2.564 2.491 2.465 2.447 2.421 2.402 081201 2.615 2.735 2.954 2.875 2.655 2.578 2.556 2.577 2.553 2.538 081124 2.664 2.788 2.997 2.925 2.710 2.624 2.598 2.644 2.608 2.605 081117 2.809 2.924 3.148 3.072 2.840 2.764 2.745 2.822 2.768 2.754 081110 2.944 3.060 3.266 3.203 2.980 2.888 2.895 2.964 2.910 2.913 081103 3.088 3.219 3.420 3.369 3.137 3.018 3.033 3.157 3.052 3.057 081027 3.288 3.397 3.573 3.509 3.333 3.244 3.219 3.375 3.233 3.286 081020 3.482 3.553 3.729 3.633 3.503 3.447 3.453 3.555 3.433 3.460 081013 3.659 3.709 3.892 3.794 3.655 3.641 3.631 3.697 3.622 3.656 081006 3.875 3.928 4.036 3.978 3.896 3.858 3.843 3.886 3.847 3.869 080929
[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** RETAIL GASOLINE: (Self Service Prices per Gallon, Including Taxes) This report contains price estimates for gasoline sold in ozone non-attainment areas which require the sale of reformulated gasoline (RFG) as designated by the Environmental Protection Agency, and Conventional areas which includes both attainment areas and carbon monoxide non-attainment areas. Mogas web site url http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/fwd/wrgp.html --- 2009 --- Date6/15 6/22 6/297/6 7/137/20 7/278/3 National Price - All Grades Average 2.722 2.743 2.695 2.666 2.584 2.519 2.557 2.610 Conventional Areas 2.686 2.700 2.644 2.615 2.532 2.463 2.510 2.561 RFG Areas 2.794 2.831 2.799 2.770 2.690 2.633 2.652 2.710 National Price - Regular Average 2.672 2.691 2.642 2.612 2.528 2.463 2.503 2.557 Conventional Areas 2.639 2.650 2.593 2.563 2.479 2.411 2.460 2.511 RFG Areas 2.742 2.777 2.744 2.713 2.631 2.572 2.594 2.653 National Price - Midgrade Average 2.784 2.808 2.763 2.736 2.656 2.591 2.625 2.676 Conventional Areas 2.737 2.755 2.701 2.673 2.593 2.522 2.564 2.613 RFG Areas 2.875 2.910 2.882 2.856 2.780 2.725 2.742 2.796 National Price - Premium Average 2.896 2.924 2.883 2.855 2.779 2.714 2.744 2.793 Conventional Areas 2.866 2.887 2.839 2.810 2.731 2.659 2.698 2.747 RFG Areas 2.952 2.992 2.966 2.940 2.869 2.815 2.829 2.880 ++ All GradesDate6/15 6/22 6/297/6 7/137/20 7/278/3 ++ PADD 1 - East Coast Average 2.687 2.729 2.701 2.673 2.602 2.536 2.545 2.592 Conventional Areas 2.690 2.729 2.697 2.663 2.593 2.520 2.531 2.579 RFG Areas 2.681 2.729 2.708 2.689 2.617 2.563 2.568 2.614 PADD 1a - New England Average 2.697 2.736 2.719 2.703 2.626 2.570 2.581 2.628 Conventional Areas 2.698 2.729 2.714 2.699 2.651 2.609 2.596 2.630 RFG Areas 2.697 2.738 2.720 2.704 2.620 2.560 2.577 2.628 PADD 1b - Central Atlantic Average 2.713 2.757 2.738 2.718 2.655 2.599 2.600 2.649 Conventional Areas 2.758 2.789 2.768 2.744 2.685 2.617 2.631 2.691 RFG Areas 2.685 2.738 2.719 2.702 2.636 2.587 2.581 2.623 PADD 1c - Lower Atlantic Average 2.664 2.706 2.668 2.631 2.557 2.480 2.493 2.540 Conventional Areas 2.668 2.710 2.673 2.635 2.561 2.484 2.495 2.541 RFG Areas 2.622 2.654 2.611 2.579 2.505 2.438 2.471 2.531 PADD 2 - Midwest Average 2.721 2.699 2.607 2.583 2.469 2.392 2.493 2.547 Conventional Areas 2.708 2.679 2.585 2.564 2.451 2.375 2.479 2.531 RFG Areas 2.809 2.831 2.745 2.710 2.582 2.505 2.579 2.651 PADD 3 - Gulf Coast Average 2.587 2.616 2.572 2.517 2.441 2.378 2.423 2.488 Conventional Areas 2.597 2.629 2.584 2.529 2.456 2.393 2.426 2.494 RFG Areas 2.552 2.570 2.532 2.478 2.390 2.328 2.413 2.467 PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain Conventional Areas 2.619 2.650 2.649 2.639 2.613 2.572 2.549 2.554 PADD 5 - West Coast Average 2.946 2.983 2.959 2.936 2.870 2.819 2.819 2.879 Conventional Areas 2.824 2.869 2.845 2.847 2.792 2.747 2.748 2.791 RFG Areas 2.996 3.030 3.005 2.972 2.901 2.848 2.848 2.915 PADD 5b - West Coast less CA Average 2.801 2.855 2.826 2.819 2.762 2.712 2.713 2.760 Conventional Areas 2.824 2.869 2.845 2.847 2.792 2.747 2.748 2.791 RFG Areas 2.689 2.788 2.734 2.685 2.616 2.545 2.548 2.614 California RFG Areas 3.025 3.052 3.030 2.999 2.928 2.877 2.876 2.943 Colorado Conventional Areas 2.582 2.591 2.575 2.557 2.517 2.480 2.479 2.504 Florida Conventional Areas 2.710 2.754 2.734
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
That's a lot of buckets of water to fetch from the crick a quarter mile below! At 02:19 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
A crick in Maine or MA; is that the same as a creek around here? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars That's a lot of buckets of water to fetch from the crick a quarter mile below! At 02:19 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
ayup Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars A crick in Maine or MA; is that the same as a creek around here? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars That's a lot of buckets of water to fetch from the crick a quarter mile below! At 02:19 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Allan Streib wrote: Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. I totally spaced on BOA last month, and I owe them about $17k at 0%! Thought I'd paid them before my hard drive crash in June, usually I pay them the same week the statement comes out. Was balancing my checking account and no BOA pmt in June! I made the payment online the day before the statement printed, called CS and begged for leniency. They restored the 0% and waived the late fee. Glad it wasn't Chase or Household. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Why not switch to an honest and reputable credit union and let your old bank know exactly why. Providian/WaMu tried stuff like this on me, and scammed me out of a lot of money. Providian/WaMu had a policy that payments made via debit would be held for 2 days. So my day early payment was held for 2, and they charged me a $100 late payment fee and jacked my rate up to 28% apr. This fee over-drafted the account, and they charged me $50/day overdraft fees but took a whole month to notify me so they could build up to about 2 grand. But they lost a lot more than they made off me, because I immediately switched all of my banking away from them to a credit union, and convinced all of my friends and family banking with them to do the same. My credit union charges like a $15 late fee for payments, and will usually reverse any fee at all if you just call them up and ask nicely. It helps that the employees know most of their owner-customers on a first name basis. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
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Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Hi all - Along with the change in due dates they will also change the address to send the payment to. I use Bill Pay thru my bank and was hit with a late fee ($39) because it arrived a day too late. Two words for credit card companies -- Highway bandits. I'm in the process of selling some stock and paying off/closing the cards that charge more than 6.99% APR. I plan to live on the debit card - no more charging - just debit. It's way to easy to carry a balance - then it grows and grows. My biggest problem was building a lifestyle around my professional career - which wasn't a problem because my income covered my expenses and allowed some savings too. Then I became disabled and had to go on SS Disability. It pays pretty good ( not good enough considering all I paid into the system over 30 years) -- compared to what I used to bring home it's around 20%. It takes some budgeting finesse to pay the bills on time. Couldn't do it without my wife working as a RN - glad she went to school when the kids were grown - it was like an insurance policy. Naturally it's best to live as modestly as possible - you never know when things will go to $hit and it'll be totally out of your control. Having her health insurance is almost as valuable as her take home pay. But no more charge cards for me - ;-) LarryT 91 300D HR 45 would require any person owning a firearm to obtain a federal firearms license. To apply for this license, you must provide a thumb-print medical records. Ask your Reps to Vote Against HR45! , - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
I use the credit card to buffer my checking account. An friend of mine booked airline tickets and the online charged him 3 times which caused his balance to go negative and spend a day working thru the mess. If it was a CC instead of debit it would have been easier. The key is to pay in full each month. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:56:46 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Hi all - Along with the change in due dates they will also change the address to send the payment to. I use Bill Pay thru my bank and was hit with a late fee ($39) because it arrived a day too late. Two words for credit card companies -- Highway bandits. I'm in the process of selling some stock and paying off/closing the cards that charge more than 6.99% APR. I plan to live on the debit card - no more charging - just debit. It's way to easy to carry a balance - then it grows and grows. My biggest problem was building a lifestyle around my professional career - which wasn't a problem because my income covered my expenses and allowed some savings too. Then I became disabled and had to go on SS Disability. It pays pretty good ( not good enough considering all I paid into the system over 30 years) -- compared to what I used to bring home it's around 20%. It takes some budgeting finesse to pay the bills on time. Couldn't do it without my wife working as a RN - glad she went to school when the kids were grown - it was like an insurance policy. Naturally it's best to live as modestly as possible - you never know when things will go to $hit and it'll be totally out of your control. Having her health insurance is almost as valuable as her take home pay. But no more charge cards for me - ;-) LarryT 91 300D HR 45 would require any person owning a firearm to obtain a federal firearms license. To apply for this license, you must provide a thumb-print medical records. Ask your Reps to Vote Against HR45! , - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
Thats an idea but as we don't have running water and don't have a big pump. I can't imagine how long it would take to fill a cement mixer one 5 gallon bucket at a time from the pond... I can't even imagine how long it would take to fill a cement mixer with a garden hose. We brought in ~8 yards of concrete (I think, might have been 6), thats 162 cubic feet of water. Google says a gallon is .13 cubic feet which doesn't make any sense to me because then my 8 yards of concrete is only ~22 gallons. (162*.13). 22 gallons of water doesn't weigh squat so I'm thinking my math is failing somwhere. 8 yards * 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard (3*3*3) = 162*.13 = 22 Strange. Anyway I wonder how the concrete truck operator would have felt about filling up with pond water? -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:19:50 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a773856.5050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/09190c4c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
The pond is the legal 75 feet away from the new structure although its also 20-25 feet higher... Still more hauling than I'd want to do. The road needed work anyway. First day of construction the contractor hauls in a backhoe, they drop some trees and rough out the area. Then its starts raining. Then it starts POURING. They get something like 4 of rain in an hour. The contractor has to call for somebody to come pick him up at the paved road. They leave all their equipment at the farm because they're scared of getting it stuck now that the road has turned into soup. Its 2 weeks before the area dries out enough they can work more. He hauls in some gravel for under the slab, gets it framed up and the rebar in. Then we proceed to have the wettest summer/fall/winter/spring in a decade. We don't pour concrete for 1 full year after they started earthwork. The garage sprang up in seconds compared to how long it took for the earthwork. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:43:09 -0500 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.7.1249332239.2706.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed That's a lot of buckets of water to fetch from the crick a quarter mile below! At 02:19 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d0428914/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
I had a credit card provider take my interest rate to usury (26-28%) over a bank error, which they even admit they knew about. No amount of pleading, begging or rationalization would sway them - this was last July. I let it ride until this month, when I went back to them and suggested that they should lower my rate back to where it was, expecting another stonewall job. I also mentioned that I had two balance transfer offers sitting on my desk (this is for a relatively small balance, I might add.) Suddenly they were my friend again. My rate was adjusted back to where it had been. They're on the top of my payoff list. Dan --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:18 PM Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300D Water leakage
On Sunday morning, about 3 a.m. we got a downpour in the Washington, DC area. Later that morning, when I went outside, I just decided to check the area behind the drivers seat...Ias I noticed a bit of water before...back in late June when there was so much rain. This time I had about 3 inches of water. On the way to suck out the water with a vac, you could hear it sloshing around..like being in a boat. WHERE is this water coming from? The hood drain holes are clear. THere is no water under the mat in front, and nothing in the front or back on the passenger side. The trunk is dry. I had the rear drivers door cover off some years ago to repair the hinge, and read it you don't put it back precisely, water cdan get in, but the guys at my repair shop say that has nothing to do with it. I had the front and back window sealed when a bit of water was seeping in during hard rain at high speed. I was not driving in the rain on Sunday; I got back from Richmond before it began raining. I don't know where to look. Thanks Rhonald 1095 300D 314,000 miles black/palamino _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/e376c2c6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
Curt Raymond wrote: 8 yards * 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard (3*3*3) = 162*.13 = 22 Strange. Try this 162 / .13 = 1246 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Check Pen (Pentagon) Fed. Wilton - Original Message - From: tyler casi...@usermail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Why not switch to an honest and reputable credit union and let your old bank know exactly why. Providian/WaMu tried stuff like this on me, and scammed me out of a lot of money. Providian/WaMu had a policy that payments made via debit would be held for 2 days. So my day early payment was held for 2, and they charged me a $100 late payment fee and jacked my rate up to 28% apr. This fee over-drafted the account, and they charged me $50/day overdraft fees but took a whole month to notify me so they could build up to about 2 grand. But they lost a lot more than they made off me, because I immediately switched all of my banking away from them to a credit union, and convinced all of my friends and family banking with them to do the same. My credit union charges like a $15 late fee for payments, and will usually reverse any fee at all if you just call them up and ask nicely. It helps that the employees know most of their owner-customers on a first name basis. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
If there's a crooked/tricky buck to be made, some sorry etc. will find a way to do it. Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Hi all - Along with the change in due dates they will also change the address to send the payment to. I use Bill Pay thru my bank and was hit with a late fee ($39) because it arrived a day too late. Two words for credit card companies -- Highway bandits. I'm in the process of selling some stock and paying off/closing the cards that charge more than 6.99% APR. I plan to live on the debit card - no more charging - just debit. It's way to easy to carry a balance - then it grows and grows. My biggest problem was building a lifestyle around my professional career - which wasn't a problem because my income covered my expenses and allowed some savings too. Then I became disabled and had to go on SS Disability. It pays pretty good ( not good enough considering all I paid into the system over 30 years) -- compared to what I used to bring home it's around 20%. It takes some budgeting finesse to pay the bills on time. Couldn't do it without my wife working as a RN - glad she went to school when the kids were grown - it was like an insurance policy. Naturally it's best to live as modestly as possible - you never know when things will go to $hit and it'll be totally out of your control. Having her health insurance is almost as valuable as her take home pay. But no more charge cards for me - ;-) LarryT 91 300D HR 45 would require any person owning a firearm to obtain a federal firearms license. To apply for this license, you must provide a thumb-print medical records. Ask your Reps to Vote Against HR45! , - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
The pond is higher, or the structure is higher? If the pond is higher, why do you have to haul any? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars The pond is the legal 75 feet away from the new structure although its also 20-25 feet higher... Still more hauling than I'd want to do. The road needed work anyway. First day of construction the contractor hauls in a backhoe, they drop some trees and rough out the area. Then its starts raining. Then it starts POURING. They get something like 4 of rain in an hour. The contractor has to call for somebody to come pick him up at the paved road. They leave all their equipment at the farm because they're scared of getting it stuck now that the road has turned into soup. Its 2 weeks before the area dries out enough they can work more. He hauls in some gravel for under the slab, gets it framed up and the rebar in. Then we proceed to have the wettest summer/fall/winter/spring in a decade. We don't pour concrete for 1 full year after they started earthwork. The garage sprang up in seconds compared to how long it took for the earthwork. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:43:09 -0500 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kid cars To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.7.1249332239.2706.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed That's a lot of buckets of water to fetch from the crick a quarter mile below! At 02:19 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: You reminded me that a cement mixer loaded can go almost anywhere. When we had the garage built at our camp we had a slab poured. The camp sits ~1/2 mile back from the road so we had to reinforce our access road (more like a trail really) for the truck. Interestingly the roadwork wasn't to get the truck in it was to get it OUT. You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave? Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d0428914/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Water leakage
'Had this problem with my 81 300D years ago; found opening in rear fender well where inside of quarter meets inner fender and is supposed to be sealed. In motion in the rain, water was being slung/pumped into rear footwell by rear wheel, and a LOT of it can get in fast. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rhonald Angelo rhonald_ange...@hotmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D Water leakage On Sunday morning, about 3 a.m. we got a downpour in the Washington, DC area. Later that morning, when I went outside, I just decided to check the area behind the drivers seat...Ias I noticed a bit of water before...back in late June when there was so much rain. This time I had about 3 inches of water. On the way to suck out the water with a vac, you could hear it sloshing around..like being in a boat. WHERE is this water coming from? The hood drain holes are clear. THere is no water under the mat in front, and nothing in the front or back on the passenger side. The trunk is dry. I had the rear drivers door cover off some years ago to repair the hinge, and read it you don't put it back precisely, water cdan get in, but the guys at my repair shop say that has nothing to do with it. I had the front and back window sealed when a bit of water was seeping in during hard rain at high speed. I was not driving in the rain on Sunday; I got back from Richmond before it began raining. I don't know where to look. Thanks Rhonald 1095 300D 314,000 miles black/palamino _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/e376c2c6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
WILTON wrote: Check Pen (Pentagon) Fed. They turned me down once for 'pyramiding credit' (I had zero debt on my credit reports at the time. I was in the habit of paying off my cards BEFORE the monthly statement came out, so the statement balance was always zero) and last year they turned me down for 'two many credit applications in the last two years', when I believe they were the 2nd inquiry showing on that particular credit report, meaning I applied for credit once in the preceding two years. When I called them the first time, they told me 'pyramiding' was transferring balances to other cards instead of repaying them (what balances? and isn't this strange coming from a CU that gives balance transfer offers?). When I called them the last time, they told me the real reason was because I didn't keep a lot of money on deposit there. I told her that I joined because of the wonderful reputation of their credit cards, but when they refuse to issue those cards to me for bullspit reasons, it doesn't make me feel like doing all my deposit banking with them. Maybe the real reason is that I'm not drawing paychecks from the federal government. If that's the case, then why do they have their web site set up so that an outsider can simultaneously buy qualification for membership from the National Military Family Association, join the CU, and apply for a credit card with an online form or two? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wasser
..You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave?.. Where exactly do you find 1000 gallons of water at a construction site and then where would you dump it? RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/5eee126f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
I do the same. The rewards I get from the CC company are bonus... However if my CC company ever does anything to jerk me around I'm gone in a New York minute. I'd love to see the CC companies get the shaft, they've been raping the business owners (loads of places around here are going cash only, especially restaurants), this can't last. The CC companies screw the consumers and the businesses, unfortunately a lot of people have built a life around credit cards... -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:01:24 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2110911998-1249336882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-18497394...@bxe1189.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain I use the credit card to buffer my checking account. An friend of mine booked airline tickets and the online charged him 3 times which caused his balance to go negative and spend a day working thru the mess. If it was a CC instead of debit it would have been easier. The key is to pay in full each month. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/c28527e8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wasser
relng...@aol.com wrote: ..You couldn't just refill it with water and watch it leave?.. Where exactly do you find 1000 gallons of water at a construction site and then where would you dump it? I had forgotten he didn't have a well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
I don't keep a lot of money there, either ('bout $100, I think), and I pay
the entire bill the day I get it.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
WILTON wrote:
Check Pen (Pentagon) Fed.
They turned me down once for 'pyramiding credit' (I had zero debt on my
credit reports at the time. I was in the habit of paying off my cards
BEFORE the monthly statement came out, so the statement balance was always
zero)
and last year they turned me down for 'two many credit applications in the
last two years', when I believe they were the 2nd inquiry showing on that
particular credit report, meaning I applied for credit once in the
preceding two years.
When I called them the first time, they told me 'pyramiding' was
transferring balances to other cards instead of repaying them (what
balances? and isn't this strange coming from a CU that gives balance
transfer offers?).
When I called them the last time, they told me the real reason was because
I didn't keep a lot of money on deposit there. I told her that I joined
because of the wonderful reputation of their credit cards, but when they
refuse to issue those cards to me for bullspit reasons, it doesn't make me
feel like doing all my deposit banking with them.
Maybe the real reason is that I'm not drawing paychecks from the federal
government. If that's the case, then why do they have their web site set
up so that an outsider can simultaneously buy qualification for membership
from the National Military Family Association, join the CU, and apply for
a credit card with an online form or two?
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Being a merchant, I just realized that a new card offer for my MC debit card that allowed me to earn points was just a way to scam off of merchants. Seems if you read the fine print the only time you get points are when you use the debit card as a CC, i.e., when a merchant is paying a healthy transaction fee. In other words, the bank is trying to shift the debit card activity (minimal fee revenue for bank) to the credit card side, which generates a lot more revenue for them. I cut it up and continue to use my regular debit card. Dan --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:41 PM I do the same. The rewards I get from the CC company are bonus... However if my CC company ever does anything to jerk me around I'm gone in a New York minute. I'd love to see the CC companies get the shaft, they've been raping the business owners (loads of places around here are going cash only, especially restaurants), this can't last. The CC companies screw the consumers and the businesses, unfortunately a lot of people have built a life around credit cards... -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:01:24 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2110911998-1249336882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-18497394...@bxe1189.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain I use the credit card to buffer my checking account. An friend of mine booked airline tickets and the online charged him 3 times which caused his balance to go negative and spend a day working thru the mess. If it was a CC instead of debit it would have been easier. The key is to pay in full each month. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/c28527e8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Aux Fan Switch
I finally got around to locating and testing the low speed Aux Fan Switch (next to the Dryer) - with the ign on, the AC on I pulled the wires back a little so I could place a screwdriver blade across the spade connections. Nothing. That should have started the fan/s in Low SPeed mode. Testing the Temperature sw. which is near the Cam gear, could be done the same way but I didn't test that one. Its pretty new - got one from Rusty last year. In an case I need to resolve the low speed problem 1st. The question is, it looks like removing the Aux Fan Sw (also called Pressure Sw) screws into the AC freon line next to the dryer. Am I correct to assume removing the Pressure Sw would release Freon into the atmosphere? If so, (and I suspect it is) I'd rather let someone with the right equipment take a whack at it. Sound about right? Thx - LarryT 91 300D 2.5Turbo HR 45 would require any person owning a firearm to obtain a federal firearms license. To apply for this license, you must provide a thumb-print medical records. Ask your Reps to Vote Against HR45! , -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/035efd88/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aux Fan Switch
If shorting the wires didn't make the fan run, why mess with the switch that you bypassed when you shorted the wires? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cash for clunkers recycling
Mini dealers are getting bumper stickers to put on cash for clunkers cars that say My other car was destroyed by the government. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/3710257a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] EPA fuel economy adjustments
Lo and behold, the fuel economy ratings have been changed. Here is the 1985 300SD ratings (old and new): http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySidePopUp.jsp?column=1id=338 Chris 126.120.161734 394Kkm Wulf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPA fuel economy adjustments
Christopher McCann wrote: Lo and behold, the fuel economy ratings have been changed. Here is the 1985 300SD ratings (old and new): http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySidePopUp.jsp?column=1id=338 The test cycle for the 2008 models was so different that they knocked 10% off all the old cars to keep the new ones from looking bad. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aux Fan Switch
Like Mitch just said - you just proved that a bad switch is NOT the problem - it's somewhere else. Bad ground? Power to the wire at that switch that isn't brown? Follow the 12v! On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: If shorting the wires didn't make the fan run, why mess with the switch that you bypassed when you shorted the wires? Mitch. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/afc42ea4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aux Fan Switch
Do you KNOW you have 12v at the switch, or not? Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Aux Fan Switch Like Mitch just said - you just proved that a bad switch is NOT the problem - it's somewhere else. Bad ground? Power to the wire at that switch that isn't brown? Follow the 12v! On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: If shorting the wires didn't make the fan run, why mess with the switch that you bypassed when you shorted the wires? Mitch. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/afc42ea4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Huh? On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:42 PM, barryst...@verizon.net wrote: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/72926c82/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/97690c01/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Water leakage
Have you blown out the sunroof drains? Check the headliner - could be dripping down from there due to clogged drains. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Had this problem with my 81 300D years ago; found opening in rear fender well where inside of quarter meets inner fender and is supposed to be sealed. In motion in the rain, water was being slung/pumped into rear footwell by rear wheel, and a LOT of it can get in fast. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rhonald Angelo rhonald_ange...@hotmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D Water leakage On Sunday morning, about 3 a.m. we got a downpour in the Washington, DC area. Later that morning, when I went outside, I just decided to check the area behind the drivers seat...Ias I noticed a bit of water before...back in late June when there was so much rain. This time I had about 3 inches of water. On the way to suck out the water with a vac, you could hear it sloshing around..like being in a boat. WHERE is this water coming from? The hood drain holes are clear. THere is no water under the mat in front, and nothing in the front or back on the passenger side. The trunk is dry. I had the rear drivers door cover off some years ago to repair the hinge, and read it you don't put it back precisely, water cdan get in, but the guys at my repair shop say that has nothing to do with it. I had the front and back window sealed when a bit of water was seeping in during hard rain at high speed. I was not driving in the rain on Sunday; I got back from Richmond before it began raining. I don't know where to look. Thanks Rhonald 1095 300D 314,000 miles black/palamino _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/e376c2c6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090803/d4cc236f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Water leakage
Sunroof drains, cowl drains both sides at the outside, front and rear window seals. All will leak down the front door pillar, through the firewall, or behind the dash and rear cover, respectively, with the water ending up on the rear seat floor as it's the lowest place. If it's only on the driver's side, look at the cowl drain first. These plug up with crud, then corrode through and flood the floor. Can be repaired with POR-15. If this is the case, the floor under the front mat will be soaked as well. Sunroof drain goes down the front and center door pillars, and sometimes they get plugged or the nipple corrodes through, dumping the water down the door pillar instead of the plastic pipe and it will end up on the rear floor. Front mat may not be wet in that case. Windshield gaskets should be replace, anticipating some rust repair. If they are leaking, the firewall will be wet and so will the front mats or the area behind the rear seat. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Andrew - Yeah really! What I thought I had sent as an answer to why the rubber ring had ended up in your lap was that I have had at times an instance where the rubber ring seems to stick on the opening in the instrument panel partially pulling the ring from the cluster. I thought that maybe yours had done that but to the point where it was actually pulled free from the cluster as you pulled the cluster free from the instrument panel. Barry Huh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Some 123 parts (new) and some 113 parts (new and used) FS
I'm cleaning out my garage, and have a box of new 123 parts. I want to send them all to one person, don't want to bust up the litter. However, it's all stuff you use if you have a 123 so one person should have an interest. My asking price is $200 plus shipping. If you feel this it outrageous, please make offer, I am pretty thick skinned for a fat boy... lower ball joints X 2 coarse fuel filter X 2 performance analysis diphram repair kits X 2 muffler hangers X 2 vacuum check valve upper and lower radiator hose hot water pump rear door check straps X 2 front crank seal X 2 injector heat shields X 6 screw on fuel filters X 3 epxansion valve front brake hydraulic line emergency brake shoe replacement kit vacuum box.. the shutoff box, but it does not fit a 617 engine I also have a pile of head gaskets for 127-130 engines. This is separate from the above list, but if someone wants to make an offer on them, I can bundle the sale. When I say pile of gaskets, I think it's about 6, not sure exactly. I also have a few injectors laying around. They are not new, nor matched, but were pulled from a running engine. Let's say there are 4 but it may be 5. If you're interested make me a per injector offer for what I have. If it's more than 5 you get the rest free. Include about 3 bux per injector for shipping. I will bust up the injectors if someone only wants 1 but prefer only one trip to the UPS store, so jump in. Remember, thick skin.. fat boy.. Other things in the garage that are going to Ebay unless someone stops me, a set of standard size pistons for M127, with rings, a 230SL LH Mirror, used but certainly useable, rechrome for new appearance. A jumpseat for a 230SL, complete with the little knurled knob that holds em in ( red, need recovering ). A set of bearing inserts for a M127, Actually I think there are two sets, but not sure. One of them is 'standard' and one may be undersized. I have a water pump casting, and some casting off the side of the block with what appears to be a two section temperature sensor in it. All the 123 stuff is new. The 113 stuff is new and used, pistons/brgs are new for sure. The headgaskets are new. The 113 stuff is offered as a lot or individually. The 123 stuff is by the lot. If you're interested, please drop me an email *OFF LIST* since I do *NOT* read every post in the list. I'll answer one on list, if I see it, but it's first come first serve so the off list will be the best way. Remember, thick skin, fat boy. Gotta clean the garage, sold the house today. Richard Salisbury NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoring a W123 instrument sluster housing
Ha! So that rubber strip just sort of sits there, unglued? How did it fall into my lap? Every one I've seen is a big fat rubber band that goes _around_ the cluster. Yours probably got stuck on (welded) to the IC, and then tore apart in some removal, leaving only a strip still stuck to it. That finally came loose? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Some 123 parts (new) and some 113 parts (new and used) FS
Richard wrote: Remember, thick skin, fat boy. Gotta clean the garage, sold the house today. Where are you going to live now? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid cars
doesn't make any sense to me because then my 8 yards of concrete is only ~22 gallons. (162*.13). Units work. Always check the units. Basic algebra, and standard engineering practice. Follow it and get your probes intact to Mars, etc. 8 yd^3 * 27 ft^3/yd^3 * .13 ft^3/gal (This is easier to do visually on paper, with vertical fractions.) Ignoring the numbers, multiply (cancel) the units that match top and bottom. yd^3 gone, good. But you're left with ft^6/gal, which is not a sensible result. If we change that last multiply to a divide, then the ft^3 goes away too, leaving gallons as the only unit standing. That's what you want, so then run the numbers too. (8*27)/.13 = 1662 gallons. 22 gallons of water doesn't weigh squat so I'm thinking my math is failing somwhere. Doesn't exactly fill a dump truck, either, so yes. A pint's a pound the world around, so 1662 gallons * 8 pints/gallon * 1 lb/pint leaves only pounds, so that'd be 13292#, which is enough to notice! Or if you prefer: 13292 lb / 2000 lb/ton Units remaining is tons, so 6.6 tons. Anyway I wonder how the concrete truck operator would have felt about filling up with pond water? If it didn't take too long I'm sure he wouldn't mind. They've got to have a place to dump out back at the yard, since they wash 'em out there anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
