Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[G Mann]

Rich,
Short steps version.
1. Satanic ex wife, endless lawyers, done.
2. Designed and built a large commercial production facility, sold it to
investment partners at a happy price.
3. Desire for peace and quiet and love of open spaces found the place.
4. It has what I want, I have what it needs. Home sweet home.

Grant...

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> This story intrigues me -- how did you end up at this place and what is
> your deal there?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 9/1/11 9:26 PM, G Mann wrote:
>
>> Ha... thanks for your interest guys.
>>
>> The front gate is 14 miles from the Ranch house all real serious 4
>> wheel
>> drive. plan accordingly Sign on front gate reads "Entry by
>> Invitation Only"  sign below that reads "Use of Deadly Force Authorized
>> beyond this point" plan accordingly.  "Peaceful" and "Quiet" are the
>> commodity of the day.
>>
>> Someone ask about internet service... satellite up link.
>>
>> Homestead isn't an option, sorry.
>>
>> If times get really tough and you need to go to ground there are a couple
>> of
>> inactive mines on the property.  One goes straight down 980 ft. with
>> lateral
>> shafts which go out as much as a 1/2 mile or so several cavities large
>> enough there to park a duce and half with "spares"..  the other one has
>> several drifts that are over 3000 ft long.  You are on your own,, I don't
>> do
>> hard rock underground.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I could find room for a few more Mercedes should the need
>> arise.. ;))
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mountain Man
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Alex wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau say
 that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's chimney in the
 distance, he knew it was time to move?

>>> Yep.
>>> The natives made it here without land titles.
>>> And, lived off the land quite fine.
>>> We lived east of Colorado Springs and there were a very few very
>>> memorable dark dark nights - put your hand in front of your face and
>>> it could not be seen.  You could hear the guy 5 miles away shut his
>>> car door, but the terrain was not quite that flat for that.  Listened
>>> to the war games from Ft. Carson on the coldest nights of the winter.
>>> I understand that NORAD is now deep underground at Schriever AFB which
>>> was 10 miles west of us - we were 35 miles east from the Springs - I
>>> toured inside when it was Falcon Station.  Wonderful place, best water
>>> on the planet, open, real liberty - the kids have never given me peace
>>> about moving to IL.
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Fmiser]

> > > Kaleb wrote:
> > >
> > > Yea I would move there

> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Mountain Man
> >
> > I would move there also.
> > Gotta spot for me to homestead?

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau
> say that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's
> chimney in the distance, he knew it was time to move?

I thought that was Daniel Boone.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Fmiser]

> > > > On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

> > > On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
> > >
> > > Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

> > On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > 
> > Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still
> > run.

> Benz Hogs wrote:
>
> Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

Nobody has mentions Panasonic Toughbooks yet...
http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/laptop-computers.asp

Certainly not the fastest, but it's hard to find any tougher.
Their semi-rugged are pretty sturdy, but thefully-ruggedized are
nearly indestructible.

Try putting anything but a fully rugged laptop in a rain storm,
for half an hour, running, with the lid open.

I've purchased a couple semi-rugged ones from Bob Johnson's
Computer Stuff.
http://www.bobjohnson.com/

Panasonic isn't the only maker, but there seem to be more of
them so used ones are easier (and cheaper) to find.

http://www.groupmobile.com/dept.asp/dept_id=4/Fully+Rugged+Laptops.html

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Yo Kleb -- how much for a bundt?

[w123wagon]

Sorry, disregard the last post - wrong info…   - they shipped 6 and 6.5 
simultaneously through a number of years.

6" through 9/81 − 1084000902
6.5" through 9/81 − 1264001902

6" after 9/81 − 1084001002
6.5" after 9/81 − 1264002102

a trough-shaped cavity for the valve seat was added after 9/81

Dave


On Sep 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Maybe an "or what"   I don't know, whatever goes on an 84 300SD.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 9/1/11 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> What size, 6, 6.5 or what?
>> 
>> On 9/1/2011 4:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>> For a 126 -- Shipped to SC? (or brought to the RustyQ then Max can bring it 
>>> to me)  The local knacker thinks they are made of aluminum, or gold, or 
>>> something...
>>> 
>>> --R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Fmiser]

> LWB250 wrote:

> If you are going to go PC,

Isn't an Apple a PC?  Personal Computer?  Some of the first ones
were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Yo Kleb -- how much for a bundt?

[w123wagon]

6.5 started Oct. '81 on 126s.
Part #126 400 21 02.
Be a shame to get one and learn the bundts on the car aren't original, though.

Dave

On Sep 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Maybe an "or what"   I don't know, whatever goes on an 84 300SD.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 9/1/11 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> What size, 6, 6.5 or what?
>> 
>> On 9/1/2011 4:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>> For a 126 -- Shipped to SC? (or brought to the RustyQ then Max can bring it 
>>> to me)  The local knacker thinks they are made of aluminum, or gold, or 
>>> something...
>>> 
>>> --R

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Re: [MBZ] HP bye bye

[RELNGSON]

> ...They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
> their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
> 20% upon these announcements...
> 
So, acquiring an HP PC and expecting any sort of after sales support seems 
a bit optimistic. Similar to buying an Oldsmobile or Pontiac or anything 
French.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Dieselhead]

Single fan on a 126.  I changed mine in less than an hour.  The fan 
is held on with a spring clip that I did not remove.


It depends on which the 126 is more like. The 123 is super easy, the 
201/124 is harder while still not being all that hard.


I'd guess its more like the 124/201 and there your problem is 
getting the squirrel cages (there are 2) moved over. I'd also guess 
that if yours isn't too badly abused it'd be easier to fix the old 
one than mess with the blowers.
Somebody on here had a method for moving the blowers over but I 
don't remember it.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:47:04 -0500
From: Hans Neureiter 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] 126 heater blower
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare motor
available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
TIA

--
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed
under "small business solutions", and 4 docking stations that range from
$85 to $137.  I suppose that laptop would work with any of them.
Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage.
Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Ed Booher" 

Gerry,
If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend  
one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available  
option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,  
USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to  
open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five  
seconds.


EdB

"Das beste Oder nichts." --Gottlieb Daimler

On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:


This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now.


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Re: [MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)

[Gerry Archer]

I received one as a present.  Not sure where it was bought.
"Magna-cart  www.welcomproducts.com "Very handy.
Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)


We have teachers all over the place with these. I think a lot of them get 
them at places like Office Despot and similar retailers.


Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:35 PM, andrew strasfogel  
wrote:


I saw this really neat professional wheelie being pulled along by some 
sort

of technician on the job in downtown DC.  It was basically a luggage
wheelie that incorporated a FOLDING file box (like a square case for a 
dozen

quarts of milk).  The file box was hinged on its sides so the entire
ensemble folded flat AND the handle telescoped!  This would be perfect 
for

SWMBO to haul a box of coffee grounds from the office to the garage and
thence home to my compost pile.  But I don't know what this thing is 
called,
or where to find it (not on ebay).  Anyone with an idea of what I am 
talking

about?

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Rich Thomas]

I was of two different minds on dishwashers.  One mind is that you can 
find really cheap ones, like floor displays or something, last year's 
model, whatever, for really cheap.  Then you use them, they do an OK 
job, then crap out after awhile then you do the same again.  I can swap 
one out in an hour or so, no big deal.   Or, spend a few (or a lot) more 
dinero and get a good one and it lasts for quite some time.  the problem 
comes in spending the extra ching then the thing turns out to be not 
much better than the cheap ones.  Which is what I discovered when I 
replaced the expensive Kitchenaid some years ago -- the ultra cheap 
thing I bought had exactly the same guts as the expensive Kitchenaid -- 
all that differed was the KA had a fancy button panel and some extra 
insulation, and maybe a steel tub vs a plastic one.  But everything 
mechanical was identical -- pump, timer, a coupla solenoids, etc. (there 
really isn't a lot more to them than that, mechanics-wise).  Turned out 
it was almost cheaper to buy the cheap thing and scavenge the parts to 
repair the expensive one than to go buy replacement parts, had I been so 
inclined.


All that said, the Bosches seem to be a cut above from my prior 
experience, but YMMV.


--R

On 9/1/11 7:24 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
So we can say that 2/3rds of the population will buy cheap and then 
whinge when it does not do the job properly.

I suppose dishwashers are a classic example of you get what you pay for.
I can understand someone who went for a supposed quality machine like 
a Miele and then finds it does not do as well as it should, having a 
whine but the person who goes into the store without doing research 
and buys the cheapest machine they have, should not have a right to 
complain if the machine does not wash the dishes properly, is loud, 
uses lots of water and electricity, breaks down and then finds that 
part availability is close to zero.


Hendrik
who sometimes cheaps out but doesn't whinge about it

Allan Streib wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:39 +0930, "Hendrik & Fay" 
 wrote:


But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing 
their reputation for quality by cheaping out?


Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the 
longer term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item.  
Related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment


In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low 
price over the longer term "deferred gratification" of higher 
reliability, better performance, and lower total cost of ownership.


Allan



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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Rich Thomas]

This story intrigues me -- how did you end up at this place and what is 
your deal there?


--R

On 9/1/11 9:26 PM, G Mann wrote:

Ha... thanks for your interest guys.

The front gate is 14 miles from the Ranch house all real serious 4 wheel
drive. plan accordingly Sign on front gate reads "Entry by
Invitation Only"  sign below that reads "Use of Deadly Force Authorized
beyond this point" plan accordingly.  "Peaceful" and "Quiet" are the
commodity of the day.

Someone ask about internet service... satellite up link.

Homestead isn't an option, sorry.

If times get really tough and you need to go to ground there are a couple of
inactive mines on the property.  One goes straight down 980 ft. with lateral
shafts which go out as much as a 1/2 mile or so several cavities large
enough there to park a duce and half with "spares"..  the other one has
several drifts that are over 3000 ft long.  You are on your own,, I don't do
hard rock underground.

I'm pretty sure I could find room for a few more Mercedes should the need
arise.. ;))

Grant...

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:


Alex wrote:

Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau say
that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's chimney in the
distance, he knew it was time to move?

Yep.
The natives made it here without land titles.
And, lived off the land quite fine.
We lived east of Colorado Springs and there were a very few very
memorable dark dark nights - put your hand in front of your face and
it could not be seen.  You could hear the guy 5 miles away shut his
car door, but the terrain was not quite that flat for that.  Listened
to the war games from Ft. Carson on the coldest nights of the winter.
I understand that NORAD is now deep underground at Schriever AFB which
was 10 miles west of us - we were 35 miles east from the Springs - I
toured inside when it was Falcon Station.  Wonderful place, best water
on the planet, open, real liberty - the kids have never given me peace
about moving to IL.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Rich Thomas]

I think they had a committed production run, probably cost more to 
cancel the run than just eat it.


--R

On 9/1/11 10:04 PM, Ed Booher wrote:

If they seriously "un cancel" the WebOS Tablet, they are going to have to
find a way to keep it at $99. That's the only reason anyone bought one.

EdB

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Greg Fiorentinowrote:


Update:  due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet.

Greg

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Craig wrote:

I guess I have been off in a different world.

What news about HP this week?

They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
20% upon these announcements.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Yo Kleb -- how much for a bundt?

[Rich Thomas]

Maybe an "or what"   I don't know, whatever goes on an 84 300SD.

--R

On 9/1/11 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

What size, 6, 6.5 or what?

On 9/1/2011 4:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
For a 126 -- Shipped to SC? (or brought to the RustyQ then Max can 
bring it to me)  The local knacker thinks they are made of aluminum, 
or gold, or something...


--R

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[MBZ] OT Re: HP PCs

[Fred Moir]

I read that the $99 buyers were hacking Android onto (into?) it, 
ditching WebOS.


Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 9/1/2011 10:04 PM, Ed Booher wrote:

If they seriously "un cancel" the WebOS Tablet, they are going to have to
find a way to keep it at $99. That's the only reason anyone bought one.

EdB


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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Mitch Haley]

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Update:  due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet.


Yep, pay $306 to make it, lower the price from $500 to $400, lower the price 
from $400 to $100, and sell so many at $100 that you have to restart the 
production line to keep up. They're losing $200 a unit, but they hope to make it 
up on volume ;-)


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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Ed Booher]

If they seriously "un cancel" the WebOS Tablet, they are going to have to
find a way to keep it at $99. That's the only reason anyone bought one.

EdB

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> Update:  due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Mountain Man
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:19 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP PCs
>
> Craig wrote:
> > I guess I have been off in a different world.
> >
> > What news about HP this week?
>
> They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
> their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
> 20% upon these announcements.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[WILTON]

126 blower is more like 123.  Blower is above front pass. footwell - 
accessible  from inside.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower


It depends on which the 126 is more like. The 123 is super easy, the 
201/124 is harder while still not being all that hard.


I'd guess its more like the 124/201 and there your problem is getting the 
squirrel cages (there are 2) moved over. I'd also guess that if yours 
isn't too badly abused it'd be easier to fix the old one than mess with 
the blowers.
Somebody on here had a method for moving the blowers over but I don't 
remember it.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:47:04 -0500
From: Hans Neureiter 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] 126 heater blower
Message-ID:
   
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare 
motor

available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
TIA

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Greg Fiorentino]

Update:  due to popular demand, they are un-cancelling the tablet.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Mountain Man
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

Craig wrote:
> I guess I have been off in a different world.
>
> What news about HP this week?

They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
20% upon these announcements.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Greg Fiorentino]

I use the "sanitary rinse" setting on mine, but disable the heated dry
cycle.  I leave the door open when the cycle ends and the residual heat of
the dishes evaporates the remaining water very quickly.

Greg

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Hendrik & Fay  writes:

> We had a spike in our electricity bill in the last 1/4, which I am
> contributing as being the dishwashers fault, cycle seems to take
> longer than it used to.

Use the no-heat dry setting, takes longer (or hand dry while they are
still warm, very quick) but saves a lot on electricity.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Michael Canfield]

Maybe you could stretch an o ring over the knob part and then screw it in so
the ring seals against the housing

Mike
On Sep 1, 2011 9:26 PM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:
> That would be a pretty odd bolt to come up with.
>
> Mike
> On Sep 1, 2011 6:39 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>> Jim Cathey  writes:
>>
>>> There are two seals in the screw-down one, neither are
>>> separately available. The one that seals it when screwed
>>> down, however, is easily replaceable (IIRC) but you have
>>> to make your own. (Scissors, buna-N rubber gasket mat'l.)
>>> I did this on the Frankenheap. The other seal makes a mess
>>> when you pump, and cannot be replaced without basically
>>> destroying the pump, but so long as the pump doesn't leak
>>> air when not in use you can put up with a bit of that.
>>
>> Would it be possible to just remove the leaky pump and use a bolt to
>> plug the hole as a temporary fix? I sort of need to take stock and get
>> another order together for Rusty to get over the shipping charge
>> minimum.
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Michael Canfield]

That would be a pretty odd bolt to come up with.

Mike
On Sep 1, 2011 6:39 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
> Jim Cathey  writes:
>
>> There are two seals in the screw-down one, neither are
>> separately available. The one that seals it when screwed
>> down, however, is easily replaceable (IIRC) but you have
>> to make your own. (Scissors, buna-N rubber gasket mat'l.)
>> I did this on the Frankenheap. The other seal makes a mess
>> when you pump, and cannot be replaced without basically
>> destroying the pump, but so long as the pump doesn't leak
>> air when not in use you can put up with a bit of that.
>
> Would it be possible to just remove the leaky pump and use a bolt to
> plug the hole as a temporary fix? I sort of need to take stock and get
> another order together for Rusty to get over the shipping charge
> minimum.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[G Mann]

Ha... thanks for your interest guys.

The front gate is 14 miles from the Ranch house all real serious 4 wheel
drive. plan accordingly Sign on front gate reads "Entry by
Invitation Only"  sign below that reads "Use of Deadly Force Authorized
beyond this point" plan accordingly.  "Peaceful" and "Quiet" are the
commodity of the day.

Someone ask about internet service... satellite up link.

Homestead isn't an option, sorry.

If times get really tough and you need to go to ground there are a couple of
inactive mines on the property.  One goes straight down 980 ft. with lateral
shafts which go out as much as a 1/2 mile or so several cavities large
enough there to park a duce and half with "spares"..  the other one has
several drifts that are over 3000 ft long.  You are on your own,, I don't do
hard rock underground.

I'm pretty sure I could find room for a few more Mercedes should the need
arise.. ;))

Grant...

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Alex wrote:
> > Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau say
> > that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's chimney in the
> > distance, he knew it was time to move?
>
> Yep.
> The natives made it here without land titles.
> And, lived off the land quite fine.
> We lived east of Colorado Springs and there were a very few very
> memorable dark dark nights - put your hand in front of your face and
> it could not be seen.  You could hear the guy 5 miles away shut his
> car door, but the terrain was not quite that flat for that.  Listened
> to the war games from Ft. Carson on the coldest nights of the winter.
> I understand that NORAD is now deep underground at Schriever AFB which
> was 10 miles west of us - we were 35 miles east from the Springs - I
> toured inside when it was Falcon Station.  Wonderful place, best water
> on the planet, open, real liberty - the kids have never given me peace
> about moving to IL.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Craig]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 20:18:50 -0500 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > I guess I have been off in a different world.
> >
> > What news about HP this week?
> 
> They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
> their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
> 20% upon these announcements.

Now that you mention it, I think I did hear some comments about that.

Thanks for the reminder.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Phantom Loads, or How to Kill a Battery

[Craig]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:37:06 -0700 Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> >> Mine (126) all do.  Pinched wire?
> > Both sides?
> 
> Single circuit for all those lamps, so yes.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? (But then I thought the lights on
the rear doors were independent of each other.)


Craig

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[MBZ] Kaleb, How much for a W124 Lug Wrench?

[Craig]

I have two W124s and one lug wrench.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Mountain Man]

Craig wrote:
> I guess I have been off in a different world.
>
> What news about HP this week?

They decided to quit the not so profitable consumer pc biz and cancel
their bablet upstart, selling tablets for $99.  Market devalued HP by
20% upon these announcements.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Craig]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:13:31 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote:

> All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the
> news about the company this week.

I guess I have been off in a different world.

What news about HP this week?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Craig]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:08:47 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Ed Booher wrote:
> > Don't even need to open, dock has 
> > power button. 
> 
> 
> My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.
> 
> My idea of a desktop replacement computer:
> 
> You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor,
> taking up little desk space.
> You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI
> cable. You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop,
> not by lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid.

As Ed mentioned, my '02 Dell C840 has a docking station and the power-on
button is on the side of that. Plus, using the docking station you can
get 1920x1200 resolution while plugging a monitor in the back is
restricted to 1024x768.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Mountain Man]

Alex wrote:
> Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau say
> that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's chimney in the
> distance, he knew it was time to move?

Yep.
The natives made it here without land titles.
And, lived off the land quite fine.
We lived east of Colorado Springs and there were a very few very
memorable dark dark nights - put your hand in front of your face and
it could not be seen.  You could hear the guy 5 miles away shut his
car door, but the terrain was not quite that flat for that.  Listened
to the war games from Ft. Carson on the coldest nights of the winter.
I understand that NORAD is now deep underground at Schriever AFB which
was 10 miles west of us - we were 35 miles east from the Springs - I
toured inside when it was Falcon Station.  Wonderful place, best water
on the planet, open, real liberty - the kids have never given me peace
about moving to IL.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Peter Frederick]

No, it wasn't, it was Daniel Boone.

Not particularly a good example of upstanding reliability.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT teasing kids with marshmallows

[Michael Canfield]

And this would explain why there is a market for used Escorts and everyone
doesn't drive a MBZ.

Mike
On Sep 1, 2011 8:26 PM, "Hendrik & Fay"  wrote:
> Further in regards to the marshmallow experiment, it would be
> interesting to see if these results would be the same across different
> nations and cultures.
> Also if different age groups produce different results.
> For example, would people in their 50's from Germany be more disciplined
> than their US counterparts? Guess it would depend on the quality of the
> beer on offer.
>
> Hendrik
> who is always inquisitive
>
> Allan Streib wrote:
>>
>> Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the
longer term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item. Related:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
>>
>> In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low price
over the longer term "deferred gratification" of higher reliability, better
performance, and lower total cost of ownership.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Allan Streib]

Hendrik & Fay  writes:

> We had a spike in our electricity bill in the last 1/4, which I am
> contributing as being the dishwashers fault, cycle seems to take
> longer than it used to.

Use the no-heat dry setting, takes longer (or hand dry while they are
still warm, very quick) but saves a lot on electricity.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Hendrik & Fay]

So you could resist the temptation of cheaper price?
Don't think we get Kenmore stuff up here.

We had a spike in our electricity bill in the last 1/4, which I am 
contributing as being the dishwashers fault, cycle seems to take longer 
than it used to.
Current quality dishwashers use less power and water than they did, some 
even internally recycle water. I think it works by saving the water from 
the final rinse cycle and using that in the next load.


Hendrik
who sometimes eats marshmallows

OK Don wrote:

I think I must have read the same CR report, and purchased the same
dishwasher. Wife is VERY happy with it. Our experience mirrors Gregs.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

  

We just replaced an old whirlpool a few months back.  I went with a
higher-end Kenmore because it was listed as the best (of those tested) as
well as a best buy by Consumer Reports.  I am actually surprised by how
good
it is!

Consumer reports says that a SS tub is a waste of money; the plastic tub
will outlast all other elements of the machine.  Based on my experience, I
agree.

The Kenmore has a lot more room than our previous washer, and the racks are
well thought out and very adjustable.  It even has provision for stemware!
Their instructions say not to pre-rinse (only scrape) as it is not
necessary
and a waste of water.  To my surprise this is accurate!  My cousin has a
commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought at auction.  He is
very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent and completes its cycle
in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse though, and his dishes do not
always come out as clean as mine!

I actually have seen a substantial reduction in our utility bills since
installing this item.  I wonder if this can be coincidence.

I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
appliance!

Greg

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On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the quality
of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut costs by
manufacturing low end machines in Turkey.
I pulled the bottom of our current dishwasher and tested the pump, all
seems to be working.

Hendrik


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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> Kaleb wrote:
>> Yea I would move there
>
> I would move there also.
> Gotta spot for me to homestead?

Sounds like it is getting too crowded already!  Didn't Thoreau say
that when he could see the smoke from his neighbor's chimney in the
distance, he knew it was time to move?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Somebody on here had a method for moving the blowers over but I don't 
> remember it.

Supposedly it can be done, but I've tried twice on two different fan
assemblies and was never able to get the squirrel cages aligned
properly---and the slightest misalignment makes them rub against the
inside of the plastic housing they sit in, making a horrible noise.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 36k acres

[Mountain Man]

Kaleb wrote:
> Yea I would move there

I would move there also.
Gotta spot for me to homestead?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> It depends on which the 126 is more like. The 123 is super easy, the
> 201/124 is harder while still not being all that hard.

I remember the W123 motor being a lot more than $80 though, last time I
checked with Rusty.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Allan Streib]

OK Don  writes:

> Ours has not absorbed any nasty smells in the last year or so that
> we've had it. Just don't store dirty dishes in it for any extended
> length of time?

Yeah most automatic diswashing detergent has a pretty big shot of bleach
in it, I would not think that smells would be a problem if you use your
dishwasher regularly.

Allan
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[MBZ] OT teasing kids with marshmallows

[Hendrik & Fay]

Further in regards to the marshmallow experiment, it would be 
interesting to see if these results would be the same across different 
nations and cultures.

Also if different age groups produce different results.
For example, would people in their 50's from Germany be more disciplined 
than their US counterparts? Guess it would depend on the quality of the 
beer on offer.


Hendrik
who is always inquisitive

Allan Streib wrote:


Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer 
term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item.  Related: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low price over the longer 
term "deferred gratification" of higher reliability, better performance, and 
lower total cost of ownership.

Allan


  



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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Curt Raymond]

It depends on which the 126 is more like. The 123 is super easy, the 201/124 is 
harder while still not being all that hard.

I'd guess its more like the 124/201 and there your problem is getting the 
squirrel cages (there are 2) moved over. I'd also guess that if yours isn't too 
badly abused it'd be easier to fix the old one than mess with the blowers. 
Somebody on here had a method for moving the blowers over but I don't remember 
it.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:47:04 -0500
From: Hans Neureiter 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] 126 heater blower
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare motor
available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
TIA

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[OK Don]

Ours has not absorbed any nasty smells in the last year or so that we've had
it. Just don't store dirty dishes in it for any extended length of time?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> The plastic tub liners absorb nasty smells, unlike SS.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino  >wrote:
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[OK Don]

I think I must have read the same CR report, and purchased the same
dishwasher. Wife is VERY happy with it. Our experience mirrors Gregs.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> We just replaced an old whirlpool a few months back.  I went with a
> higher-end Kenmore because it was listed as the best (of those tested) as
> well as a best buy by Consumer Reports.  I am actually surprised by how
> good
> it is!
>
> Consumer reports says that a SS tub is a waste of money; the plastic tub
> will outlast all other elements of the machine.  Based on my experience, I
> agree.
>
> The Kenmore has a lot more room than our previous washer, and the racks are
> well thought out and very adjustable.  It even has provision for stemware!
> Their instructions say not to pre-rinse (only scrape) as it is not
> necessary
> and a waste of water.  To my surprise this is accurate!  My cousin has a
> commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought at auction.  He is
> very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent and completes its cycle
> in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse though, and his dishes do not
> always come out as clean as mine!
>
> I actually have seen a substantial reduction in our utility bills since
> installing this item.  I wonder if this can be coincidence.
>
> I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
> appliance!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
>
> Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
> to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
> I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
> are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
> Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the quality
> of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut costs by
> manufacturing low end machines in Turkey.
> I pulled the bottom of our current dishwasher and tested the pump, all
> seems to be working.
>
> Hendrik
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[OK Don]

I have a 500 gallon propane tank to run one from (also heats the house and
hot water). I'm also thinking that beside the well house is the proper place
for the generator. This property has two buildings, each on seperate
electrical meters. The well is on the little house's circuit, and I want to
power the "big house" to keep heat, blowers, etc.
I'm wondering if this would be too complicated to power with one generator
and auto cut-over switches? Perhaps two small generators would be better?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Extending my earlier comments about a side yard mini-shed to put the
> generator into, I have also wondered about putting the whole thing on big
> casters and installing with a gas feed hose setup like one uses for a BBQ
> and a big extension cord feed to a plug on the house.
> The advantage would be primarily one of meeting zoning rules. I am in the
> city with only a 5 foot sideyard and I suspect that the city would be
> unhappy with any form of permanent installation.
> We cannot put ac units in side yards so I sort of assume that a generator
> might be a problem if my neighbor objected.
>
> I think the whole thing is about 4 feet long, 2 feet wide and 4 feet tall
> with the panel setup. It should be fairly easy to create a frame and cover
> it with sheet metal.  I would need some vents if it was to run but that
> ought not to be too hard to come up with. Maybe even automatic shutters so
> it stayed shut unless it was running.
> I don't think I want to build a box like the bigger Generac units just
> because of the shape of this one. The box would need to be taller than the
> Generac setup. I might as well put a pitched roof on it.
>
>
> Randy
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)

[kevin kraly]

We have a couple of them.  Wifey uses one for her dragon boat race 
paperwork, and I have one for wheeling my rC car and batteries.  Target also 
sells them.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Hendrik & Fay]

So we can say that 2/3rds of the population will buy cheap and then 
whinge when it does not do the job properly.

I suppose dishwashers are a classic example of you get what you pay for.
I can understand someone who went for a supposed quality machine like a 
Miele and then finds it does not do as well as it should, having a whine 
but the person who goes into the store without doing research and buys 
the cheapest machine they have, should not have a right to complain if 
the machine does not wash the dishes properly, is loud, uses lots of 
water and electricity, breaks down and then finds that part availability 
is close to zero.


Hendrik
who sometimes cheaps out but doesn't whinge about it

Allan Streib wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:39 +0930, "Hendrik & Fay"  wrote:

  
But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing their 
reputation for quality by cheaping out?



Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer 
term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item.  Related: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low price over the longer 
term "deferred gratification" of higher reliability, better performance, and 
lower total cost of ownership.

Allan
  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats why we only get Lenovo for our reps.  My computer is a R61, have 
been ordering the X100e and now the X120e for the reps.  Great little 
computers for the size.


On 9/1/2011 6:03 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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Re: [MBZ] Yo Kleb -- how much for a bundt?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

What size, 6, 6.5 or what?

On 9/1/2011 4:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
For a 126 -- Shipped to SC? (or brought to the RustyQ then Max can 
bring it to me)  The local knacker thinks they are made of aluminum, 
or gold, or something...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Benz Hogs]

Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

SS can get some funk going on as well, I guess stuff gets trapped in all 
the parts down below.


On 9/1/2011 1:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The plastic tub liners absorb nasty smells, unlike SS.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Greg Fiorentinowrote:


We just replaced an old whirlpool a few months back.  I went with a
higher-end Kenmore because it was listed as the best (of those tested) as
well as a best buy by Consumer Reports.  I am actually surprised by how
good
it is!

Consumer reports says that a SS tub is a waste of money; the plastic tub
will outlast all other elements of the machine.  Based on my experience, I
agree.

The Kenmore has a lot more room than our previous washer, and the racks are
well thought out and very adjustable.  It even has provision for stemware!
Their instructions say not to pre-rinse (only scrape) as it is not
necessary
and a waste of water.  To my surprise this is accurate!  My cousin has a
commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought at auction.  He is
very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent and completes its cycle
in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse though, and his dishes do not
always come out as clean as mine!

I actually have seen a substantial reduction in our utility bills since
installing this item.  I wonder if this can be coincidence.

I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
appliance!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hendrik&  Fay
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the quality
of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut costs by
manufacturing low end machines in Turkey.
I pulled the bottom of our current dishwasher and tested the pump, all
seems to be working.

Hendrik


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Re: [MBZ] aftermarket window seals

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

only use OE, aftermarket will not fit right and will leak.

On 9/1/2011 12:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

I need a new rear window seal for my W116.  Rusty has an "aftermarket" seal for 
about half the price of the original.  Anyone used these with good results?

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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Allan Streib]

Jim Cathey  writes:

> There are two seals in the screw-down one, neither are
> separately available.  The one that seals it when screwed
> down, however, is easily replaceable (IIRC) but you have
> to make your own.  (Scissors, buna-N rubber gasket mat'l.)
> I did this on the Frankenheap.  The other seal makes a mess
> when you pump, and cannot be replaced without basically
> destroying the pump, but so long as the pump doesn't leak
> air when not in use you can put up with a bit of that.

Would it be possible to just remove the leaky pump and use a bolt to
plug the hole as a temporary fix?  I sort of need to take stock and get
another order together for Rusty to get over the shipping charge
minimum.

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Re: [MBZ] aftermarket window seals

[glenn brown]

I can't speak to the quality of the aftermarket rear window seal which Rusty 
has but I can relate an episode which the Safelite folks had with an 
aftermarket front windshield seal for my '84 300D last year, as it took them a 
couple hours and a lot of sweat before they realized that it couldn't possibly 
fit.  I obtained M-B front windshield seal and they installed the new 
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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[WILTON]

That was Rusty, of course.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower


Years ago before I knew better, i. e., Rustry, etc., I replaced whole unit 
while sitting in passenger seat using mirror and flashlight on floor and 
hands with bad tremor.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Neureiter" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 126 heater blower


Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare 
motor

available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan 
wheel.

Anyone with experiences?
TIA

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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[WILTON]

Years ago before I knew better, i. e., Rustry, etc., I replaced whole unit 
while sitting in passenger seat using mirror and flashlight on floor and 
hands with bad tremor.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Neureiter" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 126 heater blower


Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare 
motor

available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
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[MBZ] Yo Kleb -- how much for a bundt?

[Rich Thomas]

For a 126 -- Shipped to SC? (or brought to the RustyQ then Max can bring 
it to me)  The local knacker thinks they are made of aluminum, or gold, 
or something...


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Re: [MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Dieselhead]

Actually, it is not a bad job.  Buy just the motor.  It comes out as 
a unit under the dash in the passenger footwell.  Remove the cover, 
remove the screws to drop out the fan.  I held the fan cage while 
someone else whacked the shaft with a hammer and pin punch.  the 
motor dropped right out.


Alternately, I have a motor I took out of mine that just needs 
brushes, if you want to save more money and don't mind finding and 
soldering in new brushes.  If you want it, contact me offlist.




Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare motor
available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
TIA

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Greg Fiorentino]

Yes, I believe this unit is in fact manufactured by Whirlpool.  I am sure,
however that it is manufactured to Kenmore specs.  It also proves that
Whirlpool is capable of producing a quality product, even though they do not
market a dishwasher of this quality under their own brand label.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:16 -0700, "Greg Fiorentino" 
wrote:

> My cousin has a commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought
> at auction.  He is very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent
> and completes its cycle in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse
> though, and his dishes do not always come out as clean as mine!

We had one of those at a restaurant, they are designed to wash dishes
quickly and with the assumption that there is no dried-on material to
remove; they expect the dishes will go from the busboy's cart into the
wash before anything really gets a chance to harden or dry.

> I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
> appliance!

Sears does not actually make their own appliances.  Kenmore has been
made by several manufactures over the years and I don't know who's
making them now.  At one point I think a lot of their stuff was
Whirlpool.

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[MBZ] 126 heater blower

[Hans Neureiter]

Seems I am due for a heater blower replacement. I see there is a bare motor
available for ~$ 80 and a complete unit with fan for ~ $ 250.
Somehow I recall hearing it is difficult/tricky to transfer the fan wheel.
Anyone with experiences?
TIA

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Allan Streib]

Wife bought a consumer-grade HP (Compaq Presario) a few years ago and
it's pretty low budget.  That said, the only real trouble it's given us
so far is a dead power supply, easily replaced generic off-the-shelf
component at Best Buy.

Allan


On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:37 -0400, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I can't vouch for their consumer grade machines, but the enterprise
> and business grade equipment we buy from them has done quite well, in
> my opinion.
>
> And this is coming from someone who was responsible for supporting it.
>
> The education environment is a brutal one, especially at the school
> and classroom level.  The HP products we have had in place have
> held up quite well, and have a minimal amount of downtime and
> warranty work.
>
> I was responsible for about 4000 workstations and maybe 60 servers, so
> I think my opinion is valid.
>
> My peers in the district report similar experiences, as does our in-
> house maintenance system.
>
> That being said, I wouldn't touch one of their consumer grade
> products
>
> Dan
>

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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Dan Penoff]

Roger,

I can't vouch for their consumer grade machines, but the enterprise and 
business grade equipment we buy from them has done quite well, in my opinion.

And this is coming from someone who was responsible for supporting it.

The education environment is a brutal one, especially at the school and 
classroom level.  The HP products we have had in place have held up quite well, 
and have a minimal amount of downtime and warranty work.

I was responsible for about 4000 workstations and maybe 60 servers, so I think 
my opinion is valid.

My peers in the district report similar experiences, as does our in-house 
maintenance system.

That being said, I wouldn't touch one of their consumer grade products

Dan

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> All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news 
> about the company this week.
> 
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[Dan Penoff]

We do several millions of dollars of business with HP a year. They are so 
worried about the public's perception of the current situation a rep from their 
HQ came in to address the School Board the other night.

Collectively we have probably purchased 10-20 million worth of product from 
them over the last 6-8 years.

Dan

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> All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news 
> about the company this week.
> 
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] aftermarket window seals

[Dan Penoff]

Don't do it. Look at the cost of the seal relative to the age of the car. Many 
aftermarket seals will not have the longevity of an OE seal.

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> I need a new rear window seal for my W116.  Rusty has an "aftermarket" seal 
> for about half the price of the original.  Anyone used these with good 
> results?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] HP PCs

[RELNGSON]

All this enthusiasm about HP surprises me a bit considering all the news 
about the company this week.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)

[Dan Penoff]

We have teachers all over the place with these. I think a lot of them get them 
at places like Office Despot and similar retailers.

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:35 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> I saw this really neat professional wheelie being pulled along by some sort
> of technician on the job in downtown DC.  It was basically a luggage
> wheelie that incorporated a FOLDING file box (like a square case for a dozen
> quarts of milk).  The file box was hinged on its sides so the entire
> ensemble folded flat AND the handle telescoped!  This would be perfect for
> SWMBO to haul a box of coffee grounds from the office to the garage and
> thence home to my compost pile.  But I don't know what this thing is called,
> or where to find it (not on ebay).  Anyone with an idea of what I am talking
> about?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)

[Rich Thomas]

They sell them at Office Depot, Staples, etc, and I have occasionally 
seen them at maybe Costco, Walmart, etc.


--R

On 9/1/11 2:35 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I saw this really neat professional wheelie being pulled along by some sort
of technician on the job in downtown DC.  It was basically a luggage
wheelie that incorporated a FOLDING file box (like a square case for a dozen
quarts of milk).  The file box was hinged on its sides so the entire
ensemble folded flat AND the handle telescoped!  This would be perfect for
SWMBO to haul a box of coffee grounds from the office to the garage and
thence home to my compost pile.  But I don't know what this thing is called,
or where to find it (not on ebay).  Anyone with an idea of what I am talking
about?

Andrew
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[MBZ] Very OT - ISO rolling folding file cart (??)

[andrew strasfogel]

I saw this really neat professional wheelie being pulled along by some sort
of technician on the job in downtown DC.  It was basically a luggage
wheelie that incorporated a FOLDING file box (like a square case for a dozen
quarts of milk).  The file box was hinged on its sides so the entire
ensemble folded flat AND the handle telescoped!  This would be perfect for
SWMBO to haul a box of coffee grounds from the office to the garage and
thence home to my compost pile.  But I don't know what this thing is called,
or where to find it (not on ebay).  Anyone with an idea of what I am talking
about?

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Allan Streib]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:16 -0700, "Greg Fiorentino"  
wrote:

> My cousin has a commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought
> at auction.  He is very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent
> and completes its cycle in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse
> though, and his dishes do not always come out as clean as mine!

We had one of those at a restaurant, they are designed to wash dishes
quickly and with the assumption that there is no dried-on material to
remove; they expect the dishes will go from the busboy's cart into the
wash before anything really gets a chance to harden or dry.

> I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
> appliance!

Sears does not actually make their own appliances.  Kenmore has been
made by several manufactures over the years and I don't know who's
making them now.  At one point I think a lot of their stuff was
Whirlpool.

Allan
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1979 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[andrew strasfogel]

The plastic tub liners absorb nasty smells, unlike SS.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> We just replaced an old whirlpool a few months back.  I went with a
> higher-end Kenmore because it was listed as the best (of those tested) as
> well as a best buy by Consumer Reports.  I am actually surprised by how
> good
> it is!
>
> Consumer reports says that a SS tub is a waste of money; the plastic tub
> will outlast all other elements of the machine.  Based on my experience, I
> agree.
>
> The Kenmore has a lot more room than our previous washer, and the racks are
> well thought out and very adjustable.  It even has provision for stemware!
> Their instructions say not to pre-rinse (only scrape) as it is not
> necessary
> and a waste of water.  To my surprise this is accurate!  My cousin has a
> commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought at auction.  He is
> very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent and completes its cycle
> in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse though, and his dishes do not
> always come out as clean as mine!
>
> I actually have seen a substantial reduction in our utility bills since
> installing this item.  I wonder if this can be coincidence.
>
> I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
> appliance!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
>
> Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
> to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
> I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
> are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
> Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the quality
> of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut costs by
> manufacturing low end machines in Turkey.
> I pulled the bottom of our current dishwasher and tested the pump, all
> seems to be working.
>
> Hendrik
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Greg Fiorentino]

We just replaced an old whirlpool a few months back.  I went with a
higher-end Kenmore because it was listed as the best (of those tested) as
well as a best buy by Consumer Reports.  I am actually surprised by how good
it is!

Consumer reports says that a SS tub is a waste of money; the plastic tub
will outlast all other elements of the machine.  Based on my experience, I
agree.

The Kenmore has a lot more room than our previous washer, and the racks are
well thought out and very adjustable.  It even has provision for stemware!
Their instructions say not to pre-rinse (only scrape) as it is not necessary
and a waste of water.  To my surprise this is accurate!  My cousin has a
commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought at auction.  He is
very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent and completes its cycle
in just a few minutes.  He has to pre-rinse though, and his dishes do not
always come out as clean as mine!

I actually have seen a substantial reduction in our utility bills since
installing this item.  I wonder if this can be coincidence.

I am not any sort of fan of Sears, just a very satisfied user of this
appliance!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have 
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch 
are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the quality 
of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut costs by 
manufacturing low end machines in Turkey.
I pulled the bottom of our current dishwasher and tested the pump, all 
seems to be working.

Hendrik


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[MBZ] aftermarket window seals

[Allan Streib]

I need a new rear window seal for my W116.  Rusty has an "aftermarket" seal for 
about half the price of the original.  Anyone used these with good results?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] vacuum wyes

[WILTON]

That's what a highly-trained professional does - when all else fails, 
consult the manual.  ;<


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] vacuum wyes



I've seen the little plastic multicolored orifices on my W123, but this
one seems to be internal to the rubber connector itself.  Going to have
to look at the book I guess.

Allan


On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:18 -0400, "Scott and Gwen Ritchey" 
 wrote:

" is it critical?"  Yes.  It meters flow.  IP ALDA pressure regulated
by this orifice (different sizes/colors available) and a variable leak
controlled by throttle position.

-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-

boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday,
August 31, 2011 8:01 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ]
vacuum wyes

Was replacing some dried out rubber connector "wyes" that connect the
various vacuum lines in my W116.  I noticed that the one that connects
to the injection pump had a little plastic sleeve on one of the arms.
Blowing through it, it seems that arm has a restrictor in it.  All the
connectors I have are unrestricted.  What is the purpose of this
restricted connector and is it critical?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

There are some aftermarket solutions for Apple notebooks that are configured in 
this manner.

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Ed Booher wrote:
>> Don't even need to open, dock has power button. 
> 
> 
> My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.
> 
> My idea of a desktop replacement computer:
> 
> You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up 
> little desk space.
> You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable.
> You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by 
> lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mitch Haley]

Ed Booher wrote:
Don't even need to open, dock has 
power button. 



My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.

My idea of a desktop replacement computer:

You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up 
little desk space.

You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable.
You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by lifting 
it out of the cradle and opening the lid.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Randy Bennell]

Extending my earlier comments about a side yard mini-shed to put the 
generator into, I have also wondered about putting the whole thing on 
big casters and installing with a gas feed hose setup like one uses for 
a BBQ and a big extension cord feed to a plug on the house.
The advantage would be primarily one of meeting zoning rules. I am in 
the city with only a 5 foot sideyard and I suspect that the city would 
be unhappy with any form of permanent installation.
We cannot put ac units in side yards so I sort of assume that a 
generator might be a problem if my neighbor objected.


I think the whole thing is about 4 feet long, 2 feet wide and 4 feet 
tall with the panel setup. It should be fairly easy to create a frame 
and cover it with sheet metal.  I would need some vents if it was to run 
but that ought not to be too hard to come up with. Maybe even automatic 
shutters so it stayed shut unless it was running.
I don't think I want to build a box like the bigger Generac units just 
because of the shape of this one. The box would need to be taller than 
the Generac setup. I might as well put a pitched roof on it.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/09/2011 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

In Florida there is almost no natural gas available, so LP is common.

Conversion to NG from LP often requires nothing in the way of parts. In fact, a 
lot of the manufacturers now make the change as simple as moving a lever

Dan

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What is the requirement generally to convert? Larger jets?

How much change is generally needed?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Randy Bennell]

I am probably better off to convert to NG as I would not have to worry 
about cold weather affecting the flow of propane. The generator has a 
block heater so one could literally keep it ready to run even in winter 
without too much trouble I suppose.


I have a couple of options for setup too. I am thinking of building a 
new garden shed and intstalling it in there. The alternative would be to 
make a separate smaller shed big enough only for the generator and 
putting it in the side yard near the gas meter. Should make for an 
easier gas hookup and the added bonus is the the main electrical panel 
is over there too so it should make for a simpler wiring setup. Don't 
know if I will ever do the whole automatic set up. Might be happy enough 
to put the generator on its own little setup with some plugs in the 
basement and just go from there with extension cords. I generally have 
some electrical stuff around and in the event of a major outage lasting 
days, I could always move some lines from the main panel to the 
generator panel temporarily.


I know it might be better to be automatic but that requires a bit more 
planning and equipment and I am getting old and slow so no guarantee I 
will ever get to that.


Randy

On 01/09/2011 11:09 AM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote:

I have a 500 gal underground propane tank for my 15KW Generac (and stove,
fire place, etc).  Natural gas not available in this rural area but NG would
be a lot cheaper with slightly reduced KW capacity (about 2KW less as I
recall).  If NG was available, I'd go with it (no tank, less cost) unless NG
reliability problems in your area.

My Generac can convert to NG (different jets, I think).

Scott

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On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

What are you folks paying for propane?

I acquired a 10KW propane powered genset last winter but have yet to set
it up or even try to start it for that matter.

The documentation suggests it can be converted to NG but that it would
then only be 8KW.

Propane and tanks are somewhat expensive however and I have NG at the
house so my thought was to do the switch over.

I do, however, see that Propane stored separately might be better.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] vacuum wyes

[Allan Streib]

I've seen the little plastic multicolored orifices on my W123, but this
one seems to be internal to the rubber connector itself.  Going to have
to look at the book I guess.

Allan


On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:18 -0400, "Scott and Gwen Ritchey"  
wrote:
> " is it critical?"  Yes.  It meters flow.  IP ALDA pressure regulated
> by this orifice (different sizes/colors available) and a variable leak
> controlled by throttle position.
>
> -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
> [mailto:mercedes-
> boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday,
> August 31, 2011 8:01 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ]
> vacuum wyes
>
> Was replacing some dried out rubber connector "wyes" that connect the
> various vacuum lines in my W116.  I noticed that the one that connects
> to the injection pump had a little plastic sleeve on one of the arms.
> Blowing through it, it seems that arm has a restrictor in it.  All the
> connectors I have are unrestricted.  What is the purpose of this
> restricted connector and is it critical?
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Dan Penoff]

In Florida there is almost no natural gas available, so LP is common.

Conversion to NG from LP often requires nothing in the way of parts. In fact, a 
lot of the manufacturers now make the change as simple as moving a lever

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:09 PM, "Scott and Gwen Ritchey"  
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> I have a 500 gal underground propane tank for my 15KW Generac (and stove,
> fire place, etc).  Natural gas not available in this rural area but NG would
> be a lot cheaper with slightly reduced KW capacity (about 2KW less as I
> recall).  If NG was available, I'd go with it (no tank, less cost) unless NG
> reliability problems in your area.
> 
> My Generac can convert to NG (different jets, I think).
> 
> Scott 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:10 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators
> 
> What are you folks paying for propane?
> 
> I acquired a 10KW propane powered genset last winter but have yet to set 
> it up or even try to start it for that matter.
> 
> The documentation suggests it can be converted to NG but that it would 
> then only be 8KW.
> 
> Propane and tanks are somewhat expensive however and I have NG at the 
> house so my thought was to do the switch over.
> 
> I do, however, see that Propane stored separately might be better.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] vacuum wyes

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

" is it critical?"  Yes.  It meters flow.  IP ALDA pressure regulated by
this orifice (different sizes/colors available) and a variable leak
controlled by throttle position.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:01 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] vacuum wyes

Was replacing some dried out rubber connector "wyes" that connect the
various vacuum lines in my W116.  I noticed that the one that connects
to the injection pump had a little plastic sleeve on one of the arms.
Blowing through it, it seems that arm has a restrictor in it.  All the
connectors I have are unrestricted.  What is the purpose of this
restricted connector and is it critical?

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

I have a 500 gal underground propane tank for my 15KW Generac (and stove,
fire place, etc).  Natural gas not available in this rural area but NG would
be a lot cheaper with slightly reduced KW capacity (about 2KW less as I
recall).  If NG was available, I'd go with it (no tank, less cost) unless NG
reliability problems in your area.

My Generac can convert to NG (different jets, I think).

Scott 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

What are you folks paying for propane?

I acquired a 10KW propane powered genset last winter but have yet to set 
it up or even try to start it for that matter.

The documentation suggests it can be converted to NG but that it would 
then only be 8KW.

Propane and tanks are somewhat expensive however and I have NG at the 
house so my thought was to do the switch over.

I do, however, see that Propane stored separately might be better.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Dan Penoff]

4.11 pounds per gallon at 25C.

You can speak with your propane supplier about tank options, as there are any 
number of ways to go based on what you want to have available volume-wise.  
They can also set up a system that daisy chains all of the tanks together so 
you don't have to mess with valves and such.

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 31/08/2011 6:13 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Randy Bennell wrote:
>>> What are you folks paying for propane?
>> 
>> 1.999 per US gallon last year, 2.399 this year, plus sales tax.
>> Tank rental built into the price. That's for prepaying in July for 
>> October-April's propane.
>> 
>> I assume Canadian pricing would be different.
>> 
>> ___
> 
> How does a gallon compare to a pound?
> 
> If I fill my 20# BBQ tank at a local gas station, I pay $1 per pound. That 
> gets a bit expensive for the generator. I cannot recall what the manual 
> suggests on a pounds per hour basis but it is not good.
> 
> Our local Costco sells the 20# for about $12 so somewhat better.
> 
> I cannot justify a BIG tank and have no place to put it anyway so my best bet 
> if I want to go with propane, is a couple of 100# tanks.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Randy Bennell]

On 31/08/2011 6:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Randy Bennell  writes:


I acquired a 10KW propane powered genset last winter but have yet to
set it up or even try to start it for that matter.

The documentation suggests it can be converted to NG but that it would
then only be 8KW.

Propane and tanks are somewhat expensive however and I have NG at the
house so my thought was to do the switch over.

I do, however, see that Propane stored separately might be better.

If convenience is primary, and the 8KW is adequate, convert.  For
maximum independence get a big propane tank, assuming you have no zoning
or neighborhood covenant issues that would prohibit it.

Allan

The 8KW is probably sufficient for most purposes.
I also have a 7.5KW Generac that I bought earlier but have really not 
used. My concern is that the fuel will be evaporated and the carb gummed 
up when I need it. So, the propane powered unit seemed like a good idea.
Now let me add, that I have never really needed either one. I just think 
it is a good idea to have some form of back up plan.


The propane powered unit is a Winco if I recall powered by a 2 cylinder 
Wisconsin engine. I bought it used for something like $550.

I paid about $1500 for the Generac a few years back.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Natural Gas generators

[Randy Bennell]

On 31/08/2011 6:13 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:

What are you folks paying for propane?


1.999 per US gallon last year, 2.399 this year, plus sales tax.
Tank rental built into the price. That's for prepaying in July for 
October-April's propane.


I assume Canadian pricing would be different.

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How does a gallon compare to a pound?

If I fill my 20# BBQ tank at a local gas station, I pay $1 per pound. 
That gets a bit expensive for the generator. I cannot recall what the 
manual suggests on a pounds per hour basis but it is not good.


Our local Costco sells the 20# for about $12 so somewhat better.

I cannot justify a BIG tank and have no place to put it anyway so my 
best bet if I want to go with propane, is a couple of 100# tanks.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Ed Booher]

Gerry,

If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend  
one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available  
option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,  
USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to  
open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five  
seconds.


EdB

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:


This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Tim C]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer 
> term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item.  Related: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
>
> In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low price over 
> the longer term "deferred gratification" of higher reliability, better 
> performance, and lower total cost of ownership.

Or, they didn't believe the Stanford people would let them keep the
marshmallow, and wouldn't make good on the two-marshmallow promise
either.

-Tim
"Don't trust anyone over 30!"
Also, Bing nursery school...

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Craig]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:51:30 -0400 "Allan Streib" 
wrote:

> Don't know if they do business in Australia but a great site for
> appliance repair info and parts is http://www.repairclinic.com

I second that!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mitch Haley]

Tim C wrote:

I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day.  One screw =
access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly,
etc.  I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on
laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :)


The new high line consumer HPs (dv6, dv7) have a tool free access hatch.
Memory, hard drive, network card, etc are under the hatch. Shove the battery 
latch one way to remove the battery, then shove it the other way to pop the edge 
of the hatch loose. Takes me less than ten minutes to install a 2nd hard drive 
in a dv7, including moving the factory drive to the secondary drive bay.


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Re: [MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Having replaced one myself, under supervision, I realize that but wanted the
"book rate", if anyone has access to this secret document...



I'm guessing that it would be about 0.2 hours each, plus whatever time they 
allow for burping the air out of the system, plus 'oh, shits'. (As in 'Oh, Shit! 
I rounded off this flare nut and have to splice a new end on the pipe.')


Due to the Oh, Shit! factor, flat rate is either meaningless or serves only to 
establish a minimum when working on a 26 year old car.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Michael Canfield]

I believe it requires a 15/16 crow foot wrench to get the primer out and
7/8? to put the newer style in.  You could bend a wrench to do the job and
if it is stubborn to get loose it helps to get the fuel lines out of the
way.  Then, if you went that far it is only 3 10mm bolts to take off the
whole lift pump assy. and use a real wrench in a vise.

Mike
On Sep 1, 2011 9:46 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> Thats all you need, you just unscrew the old one and screw this one on.
>
> On 8/31/2011 6:40 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>> Allan Streib writes:
>>
>>> Peter Frederick writes:
>>>
 Replace the old style screw down pump with the new style "thumb" pump
 -- the old in is not really repairable, and the new ones do not
 require screwing down (and also do not leak).
>>> Ugh... $190 on Rusty's website.
>>>
>>> Anyone got a good used one? Kaleb?
>> Unless I can replace just the plunger part and not the whole
>> assembly ... that's only about $20.
>>
>>
http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?sku=W0133-1715211&itempk=10752&mfr=Bosch&weight=0.13
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Tim C]

I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day.  One screw =
access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly,
etc.  I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on
laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :)

Dell has consistency problems, seems like a lot of component failures
in the first few months (probably only 1% but I hear about a lot of
them).  That said, once a laptop is working well it seems to work well
for a long time, and the vast majority of our Dells are retired for
performance rather than failure reasons.

Unfortunately I don't know how their end-user support is, all of my
personal Dells - including the refurbs - have worked fine through the
warranty period.

Best,
-Tim
who kept a Thinkpad A20m for five years just to avoid getting issued an HP :)

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Gerry Archer  wrote:
> Dell doesn't show Precision M4300 laptops.  It pulls up M4600 laptops
> instead.
> Gerry
> '83 300D
> '83 240D
>
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
>>
>> I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work
>> machine has been a laptop since 2003...
>> Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it
>> replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15" to the 17" M90.
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400
>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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>>
>> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as
>> a
>> desktop for five
>> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
>> Acronis program always
>> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
>> the bullet proof models that
>> have been discussed on this list.
>> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
>> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning
>> my
>> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>>
>> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D
>> '83 240D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[Mitch Haley]

Three nuts, and one flare fitting, per accumulator.
As long as you don't strip the wrench flats off the flare fitting, there's 
nothing to it. Unscrew the flare fitting first, then the mounts.
Make sure you leave the mounts as loose as possible on the new one until you get 
the threads started on the flare fitting, then tighten down the mounts so it 
sits solid while you torque the flare down.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[andrew strasfogel]

Having replaced one myself, under supervision, I realize that but wanted the
"book rate", if anyone has access to this secret document...

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I can't imagine it being much more than an hour apiece.  Short of having to
> deal with corroded fittings, they're not that difficult to R&R.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:01 AM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> > The rear accumulators (air cells) are now pretty well shot on my '85 W123
> > 300td.  Does anyone know the "book" labor charge for this job?
> >
> > Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[Michael Canfield]

Run it up on some ramps and do it yourself.  They are easy to get to and
your car should not have rust issues making the fasteners difficult.

Mike
On Sep 1, 2011 10:02 AM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:
> The rear accumulators (air cells) are now pretty well shot on my '85 W123
> 300td. Does anyone know the "book" labor charge for this job?
>
> Andrew
> 1983 and 1985 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[Dan Penoff]

I can't imagine it being much more than an hour apiece.  Short of having to 
deal with corroded fittings, they're not that difficult to R&R.

Dan

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> The rear accumulators (air cells) are now pretty well shot on my '85 W123
> 300td.  Does anyone know the "book" labor charge for this job?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse.  Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run?  Bet they were dropped and abused too

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, "Luther's 
Benz"  wrote:


My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since 
it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended. Unless 
Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as 
long as I drive a Benz.


Luther


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[MBZ] Labor estimate to replace accumulators

[andrew strasfogel]

The rear accumulators (air cells) are now pretty well shot on my '85 W123
300td.  Does anyone know the "book" labor charge for this job?

Andrew
1983 and 1985 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats all you need, you just unscrew the old one and screw this one on.

On 8/31/2011 6:40 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Allan Streib  writes:


Peter Frederick  writes:


Replace the old style screw down pump with the new style "thumb" pump
-- the old in is not really repairable, and the new ones do not
require screwing down (and also do not leak).

Ugh... $190 on Rusty's website.

Anyone got a good used one?  Kaleb?

Unless I can replace just the plunger part and not the whole
assembly ... that's only about $20.

http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?sku=W0133-1715211&itempk=10752&mfr=Bosch&weight=0.13

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] W116, more fuel leaks

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Are you talking about the primer pump?  They are $190?  You got to be 
kidding.  If I have one it would probably be the old leaky kind.


On 8/31/2011 6:36 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Peter Frederick  writes:


Replace the old style screw down pump with the new style "thumb" pump
-- the old in is not really repairable, and the new ones do not
require screwing down (and also do not leak).

Ugh... $190 on Rusty's website.

Anyone got a good used one?  Kaleb?



Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Allan Streib]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:39 +0930, "Hendrik & Fay"  wrote:

> But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing their 
> reputation for quality by cheaping out?

Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer 
term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item.  Related: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

In this case many people will take the immediate reward of a low price over the 
longer term "deferred gratification" of higher reliability, better performance, 
and lower total cost of ownership.

Allan

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