[MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread Hans Neureiter
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy
Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery.
So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
14.5 hours.
270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32
mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
(assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
remained unchanged).
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
that costs more that 7 times as much to run
and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

-- 
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread Hans Neureiter
Who ever wrote this made a small mistake.
I pay $0.12 per KWH. A full charge will cost ~$ 2.00
or $0.08/mile vs. $0.125/mile on gas.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the
 Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

 For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
 before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

 Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
 battery.
 So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
 approximately 270 miles.
 It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
 Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
 14.5 hours.
 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
 It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
 electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
 for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
 seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
 battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
 the Volt using the battery.

 Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets
 32 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
 Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
 (assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
 remained unchanged).
 The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

 So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
 that costs more that 7 times as much to run
 and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

 --
 Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
 '82 300SD
 '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI




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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread G Mann
Ah but grasshopper... you are Green and it shows you love
Obama and his green program. Priceless ... Right???

To the truly indoctrinated who have been inseminated [it seems anally] with
the seed of progressive thought no amount of other peoples money should
be spared to feel good about saving the planet..

Snarkey math, spin news, deceptive loans, outright lies, self serving
politicians [of any color or party], it's all fair and balanced  .
Right?

I feel so much better I feel so much better I feel so much
better. keep repeating that until you believe it...

Gotta run... dinner is ready... it's red meat with a side dish of spotted
owl...

Grant...

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy
 Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

 For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
 before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

 Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
 battery.
 So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
 approximately 270 miles.
 It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
 Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
 14.5 hours.
 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
 It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
 electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
 for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
 seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
 battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
 the Volt using the battery.

 Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32
 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
 Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
 (assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
 remained unchanged).
 The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

 So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
 that costs more that 7 times as much to run
 and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

 --
 Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
 '82 300SD
 '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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Re: [MBZ] OT- Pair of Xserve

2012-02-25 Thread Dan Penoff
That's about right for G4s. They are almost worthless these days.

I had one as a part of a package deal. I have it to a Linux buddy to play with.

Dan

On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:21 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/2869050350.html
 
 Not bad for $50
 
 
 clay 
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread Curt Raymond
Haters gonna hate.

What you don't get is that most driving is short trips. So for a 25 mile daily 
round trip (or a series of trips that add up to 25 miles) you'd pay ~$2/day.
A 32mpg car on $3.50 gas pays $2.73. After 42,465 trips you've paid for the 
car. Thats only 116 years if you drove 25 miles every day.

The mileage will also depend on what kind of driving you do. These cars are 
intended to get decent mileage in the city where regular gas cars do poorly. 
Buying one for a mostly highway commute is foolish. Also the Volt is bigger 
than a $15,000 car and has more creature comforts.

Am I saying the Volt is a great car? No but change has to start somewhere. 
You're a crab bucket (Google it), just want to drag everybody back down because 
you didn't think of it first.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:49:54 -0600
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Who ever wrote this made a small mistake.
I pay $0.12 per KWH. A full charge will cost ~$ 2.00
or $0.08/mile vs. $0.125/mile on gas.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the
 Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

 For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
 before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

 Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
 battery.
 So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
 approximately 270 miles.
 It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
 Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
 14.5 hours.
 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
 It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
 electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
 for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
 seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
 battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
 the Volt using the battery.

 Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets
 32 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
 Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
 (assuming the cost for electricity -?to charge the Volt?s batteries ?-
 remained unchanged).
 The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

 So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
 that costs more that 7 times as much to run
 and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

 --
 Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
 '82 300SD
 '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement

2012-02-25 Thread Jim Cathey

My clock stopped on my 1987 300SDL.


Every dead clock I have seen of that vintage/style has
stopped because of dead electrolytic capacitors.  Getting
the cluster out and apart is the hardest part, we're talking
about $1 of new components and a bit of soldering here.

If you hammer the setting knob hard enough you can
break off a plastic axle pin.  I've fixed those with
a tiny drill and a bit of paperclip as a new axle pin.

To be clear: you don't need a different clock, just fix
the one you have.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-25 Thread Jim Cathey

selling [300D] to him and buying a 240D.  What can I expect for
fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time.


You are already doing very well.  The 240D would not do better
unless it was a stickshift, and maybe not even then.

An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
department.  The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind.
One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
up some of our highway hills in this State.

My 200D kicked its ass up one side of the street and down the
other, performing nicely and getting substantially better mileage.
Not, lately, better than you're already getting I might add.

If you want to change, fine, but don't do it for mileage!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread WILTON
My elec. costs about $0.09 per kwh.  National average is about $0.10 per 
kwh.  What is it about Eric Bolling's elec. that makes it cost nearly 13 
times what mine costs?  Maybe it comes in on 24 wheels or is hauled in on 
some ridiculous, special vehicle with a hole (gold-plated sunroof) in its 
top.   ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy
Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery.
So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
14.5 hours.
270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32
mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
(assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
remained unchanged).
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
that costs more that 7 times as much to run
and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

--
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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[MBZ] Who wanted a 240D?

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Thomas


   In today's paper, the number is a car dealer lot


--R



   Vehicle Details


Price:  $2,250
Body Style: 
Mileage:144,000
Engine: 
Transmission:   
Fuel Type:  
Doors:  
Ext. Color: Beige
Int. Color: Beige
VIN:


   Description

1981 Mercedes-Benz 240D, 144000 miles, Beige, Beige interior, Nice Car, 
Runs Good, Please Call 843-486-5515, $2250

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread G Mann
The entire electric car story is fraught with hyperbole.

As an engineer, just give me the facts, not the bullshit. I'll make my own
decisions.
It has nothing to do with hate or love.

Fact: If I spend $46.000 for a car that I can only drive in 25 mile runs,
what is the cost/benefit ratio compared with, say, taking a taxi or a limo
to work on a cost per mile or cost per day calculation.  How many days do I
have to drive the Volt to break even on investment?

So far, for the Volt and other electric cars, the math shows it to be a bad
investment, without factoring in any maintenance issues, or unknown future
design flaws that show up in an unproven platform.

On the other hand, my 30 yr. old 300D has a long successful history with a
known fuel per mile cost and a much lower purchase cost.

Easy choice, job security for Q and all is well.

Grant...

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 My elec. costs about $0.09 per kwh.  National average is about $0.10 per
 kwh.  What is it about Eric Bolling's elec. that makes it cost nearly 13
 times what mine costs?  Maybe it comes in on 24 wheels or is hauled in on
 some ridiculous, special vehicle with a hole (gold-plated sunroof) in its
 top.   ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:24 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


 Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy
 Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

 For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
 before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

 Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
 battery.
 So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
 approximately 270 miles.
 It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
 Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
 14.5 hours.
 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
 It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
 electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay
 for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
 seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
 battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
 the Volt using the battery.

 Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32
 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
 Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
 (assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
 remained unchanged).
 The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

 So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
 that costs more that 7 times as much to run
 and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

 --
 Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
 '82 300SD
 '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread WILTON

Zackly!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


The entire electric car story is fraught with hyperbole.

As an engineer, just give me the facts, not the bullshit. I'll make my own
decisions.
It has nothing to do with hate or love.

Fact: If I spend $46.000 for a car that I can only drive in 25 mile runs,
what is the cost/benefit ratio compared with, say, taking a taxi or a limo
to work on a cost per mile or cost per day calculation.  How many days do I
have to drive the Volt to break even on investment?

So far, for the Volt and other electric cars, the math shows it to be a bad
investment, without factoring in any maintenance issues, or unknown future
design flaws that show up in an unproven platform.

On the other hand, my 30 yr. old 300D has a long successful history with a
known fuel per mile cost and a much lower purchase cost.

Easy choice, job security for Q and all is well.

Grant...

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


My elec. costs about $0.09 per kwh.  National average is about $0.10 per
kwh.  What is it about Eric Bolling's elec. that makes it cost nearly 13
times what mine costs?  Maybe it comes in on 24 wheels or is hauled in on
some ridiculous, special vehicle with a hole (gold-plated sunroof) in 
its

top.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the 
Chevy

Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery.
So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
14.5 hours.
270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I 
pay

for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 
32

mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
(assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –-
remained unchanged).
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
that costs more that 7 times as much to run
and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

--
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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Re: [MBZ] Who wanted a 240D?

2012-02-25 Thread Dieselhead
If I needed wheels, i's consider this one.  especially if it had 3 
pedals.  Not a bad price for a car that should easily run another 
100-200k miles.


A 240D is great for buzzing around metro areas or commuting.  They 
are not the best if the drive requires fast acceleration, or 80 MPH 
speeds.  But for 0-60 driving, a 240D is great.


One difference between a 240D and a 300D is that the 240D will do 
better mileage around town.  A Diesel will inherently not lose as 
much MPG average in town as a gasser.


Plus in place of being in a minicar death trap, you have the 
protection of a real MB.







   In today's paper, the number is a car dealer lot


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   Vehicle Details


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[MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread E M
Hey Guys,

Off topic, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff.  I'm getting
back into vinyl over CDs, and MP3.  I miss the quality and warmth of old
records.  Anyway, I have an old mid 80s Sony receiver, and a Sony turn
table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's direct
drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
mechanical.

Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
turn table?  I know Macintosh make good amps, but not really in the market
for an amp at the moment.  Just looking for a good quality turn table, that
will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was made
before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.

Thanks in advance.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] OT- Pair of Xserve

2012-02-25 Thread clay monroe
Where can I get a horribly inexpensive edition of Xserve to run on it?

clay

On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 That's about right for G4s. They are almost worthless these days.
 
 I had one as a part of a package deal. I have it to a Linux buddy to play 
 with.
 
 Dan
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:21 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/2869050350.html
 
 Not bad for $50
 
 
 clay 
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT- Pair of Xserve

2012-02-25 Thread Dan Penoff
You mean OS X Server?

The latest version that would run on a PPC machine is 10.5.

I may have some old versions that are from machines that have ben surplused, 
therefore are available

Contact me off list for more details, please.

Dan




On Feb 25, 2012, at 4:44 PM, clay monroe wrote:

 Where can I get a horribly inexpensive edition of Xserve to run on it?
 
 clay
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 
 That's about right for G4s. They are almost worthless these days.
 
 I had one as a part of a package deal. I have it to a Linux buddy to play 
 with.
 
 Dan
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:21 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/2869050350.html
 
 Not bad for $50
 
 
 clay 
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Rick Knoble
I bought a Technics SLB2 new back in the seventies. Still works well. Had to 
change the belt once. The SLD2 is the direct drive one. There are better 
quality turntables available IE. Bang And Oluffson(sp), old Pioneer stuff 
(70's), Marantz (sp). 

Rick
Sent from my iPhone.

On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:38 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
 turn table?

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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 25, 2012 1:38 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just looking for a good quality turn table, that
 will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was made
 before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.


Get a used Technics SL-1950 on eBay and a new Shure M97 cartridge for it.
If the Technics is missing its feet (they usually are) buy some foam at a
fabric store, cut it into strips, and use a small bubble level to get the
turntable perfectly flat.  Adjust the tracking weight per Shure's
instructions. Probably about US$250 all together.  You'll be amazed.  (Not
as much as if you got a better used receiver and speakers too, but still,
this is a great-sounding setup for the price.)

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread Scott Ritchey
Yup.  There's a lot we don't know about this new type of electric car.  I
wonder: what will happen to battery capacity with repeated deep discharge?,
when will the battery need to be replaced (and why)?, what will replacement
cost?, what happens to the old battery?, what is the life and service
requirements for the electric drive train?

Batteries have always been the issue.  I worked n the lunar rover over 40
years ago and little has changed in that regard.

Don't get me wrong.  Electric cars have great promise and one day I expect
that's what I (or my great grandchildren) will drive.  But the Volt/Leaf
came about rather suddenly so there's not much track record.  And I have to
wonder why GM gave up on the Volt last time 'round.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of G Mann
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

The entire electric car story is fraught with hyperbole.

As an engineer, just give me the facts, not the bullshit. I'll make my own
decisions.
It has nothing to do with hate or love.

Fact: If I spend $46.000 for a car that I can only drive in 25 mile runs,
what is the cost/benefit ratio compared with, say, taking a taxi or a limo
to work on a cost per mile or cost per day calculation.  How many days do I
have to drive the Volt to break even on investment?

So far, for the Volt and other electric cars, the math shows it to be a bad
investment, without factoring in any maintenance issues, or unknown future
design flaws that show up in an unproven platform.

On the other hand, my 30 yr. old 300D has a long successful history with a
known fuel per mile cost and a much lower purchase cost.

Easy choice, job security for Q and all is well.

Grant...

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 My elec. costs about $0.09 per kwh.  National average is about $0.10 per
 kwh.  What is it about Eric Bolling's elec. that makes it cost nearly 13
 times what mine costs?  Maybe it comes in on 24 wheels or is hauled in on
 some ridiculous, special vehicle with a hole (gold-plated sunroof) in
its
 top.   ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:24 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


 Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the
Chevy
 Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

 For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
 before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

 Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
 battery.
 So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
 approximately 270 miles.
 It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
 Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
 14.5 hours.
 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.

 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
 It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
 electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I
pay
 for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
 seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
 battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate
 the Volt using the battery.

 Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets
32
 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile.
 Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even
 (assuming the cost for electricity --to charge the Volt's batteries --
 remained unchanged).
 The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

 So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car
 that costs more that 7 times as much to run
 and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.REALLY?

 --
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 '82 300SD
 '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Dieselhead
I am fond of Pioneer from the 70s.  Maybe it is not the uber 
expensive stuff, but good, and not overpriced.


If anyone finds a decent Pioneer 6 or 7 series receiver/amp for 
cheap, I would like to have another.  I am talking 626 to 747 mainly, 
but anything that is in the format 6x6 or 7x7 is what I'd like. 
(where x is an integer)




Hey Guys,

Off topic, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff.  I'm getting
back into vinyl over CDs, and MP3.  I miss the quality and warmth of old
records.  Anyway, I have an old mid 80s Sony receiver, and a Sony turn
table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's direct
drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
mechanical.

Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
turn table?  I know Macintosh make good amps, but not really in the market
for an amp at the moment.  Just looking for a good quality turn table, that
will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was made
before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.

Thanks in advance.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Thomas
I looked on the Charleston CL, found these recent postings -- there is 
some decent stuff all the time listed:


http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2855939965.html

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2834570881.html

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2870707950.html

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2865771097.html

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2864704069.html

This is a nice machine  http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2859233805.html

This guy is some kind of collector/reseller, always posting stuff  
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2844213425.html


Lots of choices.  Not sure where you are but this stuff is out there all 
over the place.  For a bennie you ought to be able to find something nice.


My buddy at the Habitat ReStore gave me some sort of turntable (a 
Technics I think, not a very good machine but it would spin a platter), 
the belt on it was broken and the cart was kinda beat, but you can get 
belts and cartridges pretty cheap.


Do you use Audacity to rip the vinyl?

--R (who has his Pioneer PL-51 sitting right here next to me, was my 
Christmas present in 1973, and goes nicely with my 1973 Pioneer SX-727 
receiver I bought back then -- the large Advents are downstairs hooked 
up to the TV and still shaking the walls)


On 2/25/12 4:38 PM, E M wrote:

Hey Guys,

Off topic, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff.  I'm getting
back into vinyl over CDs, and MP3.  I miss the quality and warmth of old
records.  Anyway, I have an old mid 80s Sony receiver, and a Sony turn
table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's direct
drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
mechanical.

Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
turn table?  I know Macintosh make good amps, but not really in the market
for an amp at the moment.  Just looking for a good quality turn table, that
will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was made
before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.

Thanks in advance.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread E M
Thanks everyone for your input.  Some great suggestions, which I will
follow up on!  I had a look on eBay and as well my local CL as some
suggested.  I also spent a couple of hours today checking out LP on eBay.
Shopping for those old LPs that were loaned out years ago, and for some
reason, never returned, is going to be fun.  :-)

Thanks again everyone!

Ed
300E  (looked at some Macintosh stuff on their home page, for the car, but
as good as it might be, I think they're a bit too ugly to put in any of the
cars)

On 25 February 2012 18:19, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

 I looked on the Charleston CL, found these recent postings -- there is
 some decent stuff all the time listed:

 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2855939965.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2855939965.html

 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2834570881.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2834570881.html

 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2870707950.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2870707950.html

 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2865771097.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2865771097.html

 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2864704069.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2864704069.html

 This is a nice machine  http://charleston.craigslist.**
 org/ele/2859233805.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2859233805.html

 This guy is some kind of collector/reseller, always posting stuff
 http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2844213425.htmlhttp://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2844213425.html

 Lots of choices.  Not sure where you are but this stuff is out there all
 over the place.  For a bennie you ought to be able to find something nice.

 My buddy at the Habitat ReStore gave me some sort of turntable (a Technics
 I think, not a very good machine but it would spin a platter), the belt on
 it was broken and the cart was kinda beat, but you can get belts and
 cartridges pretty cheap.

 Do you use Audacity to rip the vinyl?

 --R (who has his Pioneer PL-51 sitting right here next to me, was my
 Christmas present in 1973, and goes nicely with my 1973 Pioneer SX-727
 receiver I bought back then -- the large Advents are downstairs hooked up
 to the TV and still shaking the walls)


 On 2/25/12 4:38 PM, E M wrote:

 Hey Guys,

 Off topic, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff.  I'm getting
 back into vinyl over CDs, and MP3.  I miss the quality and warmth of old
 records.  Anyway, I have an old mid 80s Sony receiver, and a Sony turn
 table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's direct
 drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
 switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
 mechanical.

 Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
 turn table?  I know Macintosh make good amps, but not really in the market
 for an amp at the moment.  Just looking for a good quality turn table,
 that
 will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was made
 before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ed
 300E
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[MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Dieselhead
has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to 
digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my 
LPs.


seems like a simple solution

My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.

I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use 
my 1950 vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires 
from the turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.



Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But 
I'd like to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the 
vintage I want.


My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out 
in 40 years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light 
bulbs.


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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Dan Penoff
I have a box of 45s in their jackets, all Top Ten stuff from the 70s.  I 
repaired a pinball machine for a guy a few years ago and he paid me with a box 
of 45s (all in very good condition, I might add - he said they were dupes from 
his collection.)

If I ever got around to cataloging them I would probably put them on eBay as a 
lot.  I suspect they have to be worth something

Dan


On Feb 25, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to 
 digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my LPs.
 
 seems like a simple solution
 
 My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.
 
 I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use my 1950 
 vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires from the 
 turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.
 
 
 Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But I'd like 
 to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the vintage I want.
 
 My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out in 40 
 years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light bulbs.
 
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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Wonder what the quality would be like on rhem

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to 
 digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my LPs.
 
 seems like a simple solution
 
 My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.
 
 I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use my 1950 
 vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires from the 
 turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.
 
 
 Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But I'd like 
 to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the vintage I want.
 
 My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out in 40 
 years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light bulbs.
 
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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread E M
watcha got?

Ed
300E

On 25 February 2012 19:41, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a box of 45s in their jackets, all Top Ten stuff from the 70s.  I
 repaired a pinball machine for a guy a few years ago and he paid me with a
 box of 45s (all in very good condition, I might add - he said they were
 dupes from his collection.)

 If I ever got around to cataloging them I would probably put them on eBay
 as a lot.  I suspect they have to be worth something

 Dan


 On Feb 25, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

  has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to
 digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my LPs.
 
  seems like a simple solution
 
  My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.
 
  I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use my
 1950 vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires from the
 turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.
 
 
  Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But I'd
 like to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the vintage I
 want.
 
  My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out in
 40 years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light bulbs.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread OK Don
I've dusted off theturntable, etc. since we moved recently. I also want to
RIP a bunch of shelac and some vinyl.
I have a Sony TA-1150 amp that I bought used in the '80s. The switched and
linear pots were noisy until I moved it 50 miles in the back of the van -
now it works great!
The turntable is an old Dual 1209 that needs the on/off switch that
activates when the arm lifts either cleaned or hot-wired. I have the 78rpm
needle for it - don't remember the cartridge now, an a TC778 equalizer to
feed the Sony when playing the 78s.

We have around 8 shelf feet of 78s that have been in the family since the
1920s, need to get on the project someday!

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:15 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks everyone for your input.  Some great suggestions, which I will
 follow up on!  I had a look on eBay and as well my local CL as some
 suggested.  I also spent a couple of hours today checking out LP on eBay.
 Shopping for those old LPs that were loaned out years ago, and for some
 reason, never returned, is going to be fun.  :-)

 Thanks again everyone!

 Ed
 300E  (looked at some Macintosh stuff on their home page, for the car, but
 as good as it might be, I think they're a bit too ugly to put in any of the
 cars)

 On 25 February 2012 18:19, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
  wrote:

  I looked on the Charleston CL, found these recent postings -- there is
  some decent stuff all the time listed:
 
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2855939965.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2855939965.html
 
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2834570881.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2834570881.html
 
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2870707950.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2870707950.html
 
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2865771097.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2865771097.html
 
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2864704069.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2864704069.html
 
  This is a nice machine  http://charleston.craigslist.**
  org/ele/2859233805.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2859233805.html
 
  This guy is some kind of collector/reseller, always posting stuff
  http://charleston.craigslist.**org/ele/2844213425.html
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ele/2844213425.html
 
  Lots of choices.  Not sure where you are but this stuff is out there all
  over the place.  For a bennie you ought to be able to find something
 nice.
 
  My buddy at the Habitat ReStore gave me some sort of turntable (a
 Technics
  I think, not a very good machine but it would spin a platter), the belt
 on
  it was broken and the cart was kinda beat, but you can get belts and
  cartridges pretty cheap.
 
  Do you use Audacity to rip the vinyl?
 
  --R (who has his Pioneer PL-51 sitting right here next to me, was my
  Christmas present in 1973, and goes nicely with my 1973 Pioneer SX-727
  receiver I bought back then -- the large Advents are downstairs hooked up
  to the TV and still shaking the walls)
 
 
  On 2/25/12 4:38 PM, E M wrote:
 
  Hey Guys,
 
  Off topic, but I know some of you guys are into this stuff.  I'm getting
  back into vinyl over CDs, and MP3.  I miss the quality and warmth of old
  records.  Anyway, I have an old mid 80s Sony receiver, and a Sony turn
  table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's
 direct
  drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
  switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
  mechanical.
 
  Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality
 used
  turn table?  I know Macintosh make good amps, but not really in the
 market
  for an amp at the moment.  Just looking for a good quality turn table,
  that
  will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality that was
 made
  before everything was outsourced to China and Mexico.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Ed
  300E
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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch of
her vinyl collection.  IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?) in
preference to what Ion supplied.  That worked ok  The quality is ok on most
of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good turntable
hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such.  I think the sound card
in the 'puter is also a big factor.  I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay to
plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] USB turn tables

has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to
digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my LPs.

seems like a simple solution

My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.

I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use my 1950
vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires from the
turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.


Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But I'd like
to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the vintage I want.

My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out in 40
years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light bulbs.

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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Jim Cathey
table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's 
direct

drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
mechanical.


Belt.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] OT: Snow today...

2012-02-25 Thread Jim Cathey

...so I finished putting back together my 240D of snowblowers,
a 1986 Ariens ST824 that I got at auction for $150.  It cleared
the driveway nicely, and is a real pleasure to use.  Very heavy-duty
construction compared to most anything else I've looked at.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-25 Thread Peter Hertzing
What do u own?  I have two mci dl3's with the 12.7 60 series.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:18 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I own 3 Detroits with  DDEC III and would like to have the scan tool ..
 
 Does it have cables and plug adapters with it?.. Is it functional? What
 would be your price?
 
 A direct email would be welcome.
 
 Thanks,
 Grant..
 AZ...
 
 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:23 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Just picked this up at auction.  No idea what the thing will do.  What
 does the group estimate this is worth?Guess I should toss it onto ebay or CL
 
 
 
 
 clay
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[MBZ] HP TouchPad

2012-02-25 Thread lwb250
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread clay monroe
Join up to your local Freecycle site and post a wanted for turntable.  Bound to 
be some gathering dust in somebody's basement.  I picked up a turntable from 
one guy and a receiver from another.  Speakers from yet another kind donor.

clay

On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

 I bought a Technics SLB2 new back in the seventies. Still works well. Had to 
 change the belt once. The SLD2 is the direct drive one. There are better 
 quality turntables available IE. Bang And Oluffson(sp), old Pioneer stuff 
 (70's), Marantz (sp). 
 
 Rick
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:38 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality used
 turn table?
 
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Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad

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Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-25 Thread Peter Hertzing
Thanks for the insights.  I am very gentle on my commute.  I have a friend who 
uses my car from time to time 
And he doesn't do as well as I do. But for 3 mpgs I'm not making the change.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Really? I always thought a W123 300D turbo was more in the 26mpg average 
 range. I've averaged 28mpg with my '78 240D over the last 21,000 miles which 
 is exactly the same as I got with my '83 240D over 80,000 miles. Thats mostly 
 highway miles.
 
 I was thinking that if Peter was getting 2-3mpg more than I thought normal 
 for a 300D that maybe he could average 30mpg with a 240D.
 
 I've had both my 240Ds up to 32mpg with very gentle driving but on my normal 
 commute I just can't be bothered.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:54:48 -0600
 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
 Message-ID: 20120224165448.a8cfa80b.fmi...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 Peter Hertzing wrote:
 
 Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel
 Mileage.  I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape
 bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from
 me.  I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel,
 and that has been a success.  As I see fuel prices rise, I am
 thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D.  What can I
 expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time.  I know
 it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my
 commute.
 
 My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with
 only 2 complete stops.  I drive about 60 MPH.  In my 300D i
 tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG.  I'm not worried
 about fun, just economy.  I have a Miata to deliver some fun
 during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect.
 
 So - share your thoughts.  The other thing that appeals to me
 is the manual climate control in the 240.
 
 A W123 240 will probably not do any better.  Because the
 turbocharger increases engine efficiency,  reducing the number
 of cylinders and loosing the turbo will probably cancel out.  In
 my experience, a turbo 300 in good condition can get _better_
 fuel mileage than a normally-aspirated 240 - especially above 50
 to 55 MPH  (80-90 km/h).
 
 But I'm with you on the manual heater controls!
 
 --   Philip
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread E M
I can't hear any motor at all when I hit the open switch.  If you still
think it's the belt, I'll pull it apart and see if I can find a belt
online.  I've seen them for other players, and they seem pretty cheap.

Thanks,

Ed
300E

On 25 February 2012 20:47, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 table, that is a front loader (slides out like a CD player).  It's direct
 drive, but the bed will now not slide out.  Not sure if it's just the
 switch (Sony switch always felt fragile to me), or something more
 mechanical.


 Belt.

 -- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread E M
Thanks!

Ed
300E

On 25 February 2012 21:04, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Join up to your local Freecycle site and post a wanted for turntable.
  Bound to be some gathering dust in somebody's basement.  I picked up a
 turntable from one guy and a receiver from another.  Speakers from yet
 another kind donor.

 clay

 On Feb 25, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

  I bought a Technics SLB2 new back in the seventies. Still works well.
 Had to change the belt once. The SLD2 is the direct drive one. There are
 better quality turntables available IE. Bang And Oluffson(sp), old Pioneer
 stuff (70's), Marantz (sp).
 
  Rick
  Sent from my iPhone.
 
  On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:38 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Anyway, I was wonder if anyone had any suggestions for a good quality
 used
  turn table?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-25 Thread Hans Neureiter
Most missed my point.
I copied the junk off the Internet and immediately made a comment what is
wrong with it.
Obama? Has nothing to do with that, but it is used to make him look bad.
That's my point.
That Chicago mobster would not even know what the talk is all about.
It is wrong to slander the poor fu#$%r for all that is controversial.
I am not pro or con Obama, nor am I a donkey or elephant,
The majority voted for what we have, from the local HOA all the way to
Washington.
My humble opinion is that the majority of all the people are spoiled.
ignorant, dumb or all of the above
and complain rather than think and be proactive.
Enough for politics, religion and opinions.
The Electric/Hybrid is an improvement, but it is not the answer.
Cconsidering that it took tens of thousand of years from man discovering
fire and a mere hundred some years from discovering coal and harnessing
steam to get where we are now.

I remember the days when airbags ran into heavy objections.
How do we recycle/remediate that junk?
Never became an issue as far as I know.

Recycling LiIon cells, well...
I retired from an engineering position with a national company in the
business of remediation of hazardous materials.
NASA hired us to do research and testing to dispose of Lithium batteries.
Not feasible under all the governing rules (EPA, FHSA, NMSA, CFR, OSHA,
etc).
Well, we throw them in to a furnace and look the other way and ignore
emissions.
 (Don't do that at home!)

 Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Yup.  There's a lot we don't know about this new type of electric car.  I
 wonder: what will happen to battery capacity with repeated deep discharge?,
 when will the battery need to be replaced (and why)?, what will replacement
 cost?, what happens to the old battery?, what is the life and service
 requirements for the electric drive train?

 Batteries have always been the issue.  I worked n the lunar rover over 40
 years ago and little has changed in that regard.

 Don't get me wrong.  Electric cars have great promise and one day I expect
 that's what I (or my great grandchildren) will drive.  But the Volt/Leaf
 came about rather suddenly so there's not much track record.  And I have to
 wonder why GM gave up on the Volt last time 'round.

 Scott

 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of G Mann
 Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:05 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

  The entire electric car story is fraught with hyperbole.

 As an engineer, just give me the facts, not the bullshit. I'll make my own
 decisions.
 It has nothing to do with hate or love.

 Fact: If I spend $46.000 for a car that I can only drive in 25 mile runs,
 what is the cost/benefit ratio compared with, say, taking a taxi or a limo
 to work on a cost per mile or cost per day calculation.  How many days do I
 have to drive the Volt to break even on investment?

 So far, for the Volt and other electric cars, the math shows it to be a bad
 investment, without factoring in any maintenance issues, or unknown future
 design flaws that show up in an unproven platform.

 On the other hand, my 30 yr. old 300D has a long successful history with a
 known fuel per mile cost and a much lower purchase cost.

 Easy choice, job security for Q and all is well.

 Grant...

 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  My elec. costs about $0.09 per kwh.  National average is about $0.10 per
  kwh.  What is it about Eric Bolling's elec. that makes it cost nearly 13
  times what mine costs?  Maybe it comes in on 24 wheels or is hauled in
 on
  some ridiculous, special vehicle with a hole (gold-plated sunroof) in
 its
  top.   ;)
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:24 AM
  Subject: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
 
 
  Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the
 Chevy
  Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
 
  For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
  before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
 
  Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
  battery.
  So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is
  approximately 270 miles.
  It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.
  Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of
  14.5 hours.
  270 miles in 14.5 hours would be  20 mph  averge speed.
 
  According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
 electricity.
  It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the
  electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I
 pay
  for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
  seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 

Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad

2012-02-25 Thread Rick Knoble
Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there 
is a tweak in the email program for that. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Dieselhead
I believe Macs have had decent to high end audio.  I am not concerned 
about the sound card at this point.  It seems to me that the 
software and its sampling rate, compression and that sort of stuff 
are more of a concern than the turntable or the sound on the 
computer.  I figured on using audacity.


I was just wondering if the usb turntables were markedly better or 
worse than the regular turntable fed through a fair to middling 
receiver/amp.  My turntable is 1972 vintage Pioneer PL-12D




I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch of
her vinyl collection.  IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?) in
preference to what Ion supplied.  That worked ok  The quality is ok on most
of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good turntable
hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such.  I think the sound card
in the 'puter is also a big factor.  I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay to
plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose.

Greg


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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Tim C
They are just Chinese turntables running through normal USB sound card ICs,
as I understand it.  Gain is optimized out of the box but the big benefit
is convenience.

Also the software automatically splits tracks; I don't know if Audacity can
do that, but I wouldn't buy an Ion for the software...

Best,
Tim
On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe Macs have had decent to high end audio.  I am not concerned
 about the sound card at this point.  It seems to me that the software and
 its sampling rate, compression and that sort of stuff are more of a concern
 than the turntable or the sound on the computer.  I figured on using
 audacity.

 I was just wondering if the usb turntables were markedly better or worse
 than the regular turntable fed through a fair to middling receiver/amp.  My
 turntable is 1972 vintage Pioneer PL-12D


  I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch of
 her vinyl collection.  IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?) in
 preference to what Ion supplied.  That worked ok  The quality is ok on
 most
 of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good
 turntable
 hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such.  I think the sound
 card
 in the 'puter is also a big factor.  I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay to
 plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose.

 Greg


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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Brian Toscano
You would get better conversion with a better turntable, but not the same
level of convenience.  A good turntable cartridge is either near or more
than the cost of the entire USB turntable...




On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 They are just Chinese turntables running through normal USB sound card ICs,
 as I understand it.  Gain is optimized out of the box but the big benefit
 is convenience.

 Also the software automatically splits tracks; I don't know if Audacity can
 do that, but I wouldn't buy an Ion for the software...

 Best,
 Tim
 On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  I believe Macs have had decent to high end audio.  I am not concerned
  about the sound card at this point.  It seems to me that the software
 and
  its sampling rate, compression and that sort of stuff are more of a
 concern
  than the turntable or the sound on the computer.  I figured on using
  audacity.
 
  I was just wondering if the usb turntables were markedly better or worse
  than the regular turntable fed through a fair to middling receiver/amp.
  My
  turntable is 1972 vintage Pioneer PL-12D
 
 
   I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch
 of
  her vinyl collection.  IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?)
 in
  preference to what Ion supplied.  That worked ok  The quality is ok on
  most
  of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good
  turntable
  hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such.  I think the sound
  card
  in the 'puter is also a big factor.  I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay
 to
  plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose.
 
  Greg
 
 
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[MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

2012-02-25 Thread Mitch Haley

http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html

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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Thomas
You can use Audacity to convert a 78 played at 45 -- there is a feature 
in there to do that.  Rip it then do the conversion.  I have a bunch of 
old 78s someone gave me, and ran a few of them through.  I wouldn't 
bother with one of the new USB things, just run a monitor out from your 
receiver to your sound card in (which might be the MIC in) and do it 
that way.  I bought an external Creative sound card box (USB) some years 
ago that has a bunch of inputs and outputs, it seems to work pretty 
well.  It was like $25 at the time.


On your other TT, there is a thing called a load belt that makes the 
tray go in/out, probably.  I had a nice NEC CD player that would go 
through them pretty quickly.  Basically a little rubber band, I bought a 
bunch to replace them, but alas now the CD player is ancient technology.


--R

On 2/25/12 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
has anyone had experience with the USB turntables to convert vinyl to 
digital?  None I have seen  will do 78, but they should work with my LPs.


seems like a simple solution

My pioneer turntable won't do 78s either.

I have a stack of 78s that I'd like to convert.  I guess I could use 
my 1950 vintage Monkey Ward multimedia center and cut into the wires 
from the turntable to convert the 78s.  It does 78 and 45 only.



Rich's list of Chucktown audio equip is mostly too new for me.  But 
I'd like to have his Pioneer SX-727 receiver.  That is right in the 
vintage I want.


My old 626 has been flawless except for a couple lights burning out in 
40 years of use.  Still have not found a source for the light bulbs.


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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

2012-02-25 Thread Craig
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html

Seems a tad expensive.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

2012-02-25 Thread Mitch Haley

Craig wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html


Seems a tad expensive.


Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better deal than
$5k for a shabby one)

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

2012-02-25 Thread WILTON

Looks like it has leather interior, and he didn't even mention it.  ;)

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?



http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?

2012-02-25 Thread Craig
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:51:09 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Craig wrote:
  On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
  wrote:
  
  http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html
  
  Seems a tad expensive.
 
 Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better
 deal than $5k for a shabby one)

I'll take the '95 E320 we got from Don Snook for $5k rather than
something that needs work and looks worse.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-25 Thread RELNGSON
 An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
 department.  The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind.
 One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
 up some of our highway hills in this State...
 
And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full 
throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables

2012-02-25 Thread Dieselhead
Ok Thanks.  That is what I was wondering.  I thought maybe the newer 
stuff was as good as a 40 year old turntable.


Sounds like turntable, receiver/amp, audacity is the thing.

Pain in the butt to have to separate tracks and add titles and such.



You would get better conversion with a better turntable, but not the same
level of convenience.  A good turntable cartridge is either near or more
than the cost of the entire USB turntable...




On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:


 They are just Chinese turntables running through normal USB sound card ICs,
 as I understand it.  Gain is optimized out of the box but the big benefit
 is convenience.

 Also the software automatically splits tracks; I don't know if Audacity can
 do that, but I wouldn't buy an Ion for the software...

 Best,
 Tim
 On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  I believe Macs have had decent to high end audio.  I am not concerned
  about the sound card at this point.  It seems to me that the software
 and
  its sampling rate, compression and that sort of stuff are more of a
 concern
  than the turntable or the sound on the computer.  I figured on using
  audacity.
 
  I was just wondering if the usb turntables were markedly better or worse
  than the regular turntable fed through a fair to middling receiver/amp.
  My
  turntable is 1972 vintage Pioneer PL-12D
 
 
   I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch
 of
  her vinyl collection.  IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?)
 in
  preference to what Ion supplied.  That worked ok  The quality is ok on
  most
  of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good
  turntable
  hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such.  I think the sound
  card
  in the 'puter is also a big factor.  I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay
 to
  plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose.
 
  Greg
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??

2012-02-25 Thread Fmiser
  On Feb 25, 2012 1:38 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just looking for a good quality turn table, that
  will work with my Sony receiver.  Something of good quality
  that was made before everything was outsourced to China and
  Mexico.

 Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
 Get a used Technics SL-1950 on eBay and a new Shure M97
 cartridge for it.

I vote for a Grado cartridge rather than the Shure.

http://gradolabs.com/page_cartridges.php

There's even a cartridge for 78 RPM available.  Keep in mind the
playback EQ is different for 33 and 45 - and with 78s it's
changes with label and when it was pressed. 

--   Philip

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