date:20191021

Not sure if you're referring to me but I NEVER bet on anything.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:15 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andy,  and others, bet on games.  Probly 1:1 odds on OKU.   So it
> shouldn't matter if they win or lose.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 6:09 PM:
> > It is totally beyond me why anyone other than their parents care about
> > these kids playing their games  I didn't when I was a student there,
> > and certainly don't now.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:44:41 -0800 Clay Monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Much of ANC is pretty darn rural and industrial, ...

So what does "ANC" mean?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes

Much of ANC is pretty darn rural and industrial, as there is a glaring lack of 
urban planning.  I have found a pocket neighborhood between light industrial 
tracts and some heavy commercial.  Things grow like mushrooms on cow patties 
and very willy nilly.  The neighborhood of SWMBA has  HOA and is very Stepford 
Wives.  Maybe 70 homes.  Surrounded by low build quality homes from building 
the pipeline to small acreage plots chock a block with rotting boats, trucks, 
cars, yard machinery, and other debris/detritus.  For some reason, no matter if 
it is HOA or suburban hillbilly, the properties cost almost the same.  The 
exception are the homes along the lake that have berths for the float planes, 
the houses being a tad bit larger.

clay

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Jim’s paranoia about defining who can live in the house is simply misguided 
>> and wrong.
> 
> Not paranoid.  Just sparking a philosophical discussion.
> What if I can provide statistics that prove that black families'
> neighborhoods are worth less than whites'?  Should I not be able to
> protect my housing investment?  "There goes the neighborhood!"
> 
> I'm a firm believer in the law of unintended consequences, in light
> of which _all_ restrictions should be thoroughly chewed over, with
> plenty of devil's advocacy.  It really, IMHO, comes down to what kind
> of people do we want to be?  Free?  Brave?  Tolerant?  Or... otherwise.
> 
> But the locality that says you can't have a flagpole,
> or an RV _and_ a boat, really galls me.  Especially since
> it's rural acreage!
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes

I represent that remark.  I am the only house on my street that is not 
constrained by CC&R, so I get a pass on the collection of bottom feeder cars, 
overly productive garden boxes, welding table on the back patio, improvised 
spray booth, auto projects in process.  The rest of the homes are neat as a pin 
and wreak havoc on my assessments each year.  Populated by prickly people with 
enviro aspirations with their Priuapussies and Tesla, Gore tex and kayak 
carriers.

clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.



> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
>> right," want HOAs.
>> 
>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
 I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
>>> Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

2019-10-21 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes

I take a few of the extending education for olde folke classes.  One is 
renewable energy in the great dark north.  The last class had the leader of the 
Kodiak electric company.  Old way they spew electrons was with diesel, then 
they build a hydro set up with room for three generators, but installed only 
two when built.  In 2009 they install three wind mills and get three shipping 
containers of battery(megawatt each) to handle drops/spikes and to balance 
load/frequency.  Hydro provides around 80%, so it base load.  The micro bursts 
of charge/discharge destroyed the batteries in 5 years instead of the 15 the 
vendor said.  A few years later another three windmills go up that provide 
around 19% of annual load, max 40% daily to the grid.  The back up upgrades to 
three flywheels of one megawatt each for constant frequency and micro load 
balancing.  That is good for around 90 seconds of load, giving the batteries a 
chance to come online and carry for almost five minutes, which allows for the 
penstock at the hydro plant to push enough water to spin up the turbines to 
carry the dropped load.  The system on Kodiak runs between 11 megawatt and 
peaks at 27.  The three hydro sets could provide constant load, the dam does 
not hold enough water to let that happen.

There are larger flywheels up here.

clay

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a neat story.
> 
> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
> online.
> 
> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
> -
> Max
> Charleston

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[MBZ] Pontoon

2019-10-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

1959 Mercedes

https://joplin.craigslist.org/cto/d/carterville-1959-mercedes/7004295099.html


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Re: [MBZ] You guys in the Low Lands, Have you heard about this place?

2019-10-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:42:28 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> Haven't been there either, but I do love coffee. That location is right
> in the middle of the tourist trap downtown.

Well, if you ever get down there, let us know what you think.


Craig

> >> https://www.bittyandbeauscoffee.com

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

I also live in an HOA. In the beginning, I wasn’t too happy that the then HOA 
president was against the design of our patio/deck cover and structure. It goes 
the entire length of the back of the house and out 15 feet, and is covered with 
corrugated smoked panels so that light can get through. She thought that it 
should be covered with wood and roofed in material matching to that on the 
house and kind of threatened with the possibility that another home owner could 
file a complaint with the HOA and force us to rebuild it. That was 5 years ago, 
and things have been quite uneventful since. She always leaves her motor home 
and/or her boat out on the street well over the 72 hour limit, and no one seems 
too annoyed. The dogs are enjoying their covered area since they have plenty of 
area to play out of the winter rains and summer sun. It isn’t much of an HOA 
with 15 homes and $120 dues per year.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1982 240D High Mileage Hilde, waiting for her shroud to come in

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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard 
> or read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
> 
> I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much 
> rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. 
> However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute 
> of work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same decision 
> and buy in an HOA.
> 
> Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience? 
> 
> Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the evening 
> news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and 
> corruption. Why would anyone live in such a violent country?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

And not to beat this to death, but I bristle a bit when people start ripping up 
HOAs, mainly because of the misunderstandings many have about them.

There’s no doubt that people abuse their power as board members in some cases, 
as well as form cabals with other members to control and abuse people. That 
sucks, to put it bluntly. My former and soon to be new neighborhood has exactly 
that. A former Marine officer who has been HOA president for going on 10 years 
because he’s intimidated everyone off of the Board. That won’t be for long, as 
I’ll be running for the Board over there once I’m a property owner. However, 
under the proper circumstances an HOA is a good thing and works well for what 
it’s intended in the majority of cases.

Some are really restrictive, like ones around here for million dollar homes in 
gated communities. Places that won’t let you ride a motorcycle, you have to 
trailer them in and out, and yes, that is a real bylaw in one I know for a 
fact. Tony Dungy, the former Buccaneers and Colts coach lives in that one.

As I stated previously, given the choice I would much rather have a “vast 
estate” as in Floyd’s situation, but that’s not in the cards for me, at least 
not as long as the spouse is present. If, G-d forbid, she kicked it, I would 
high-tail it to the styx in a heartbeat and start Okie Acres South.

Until then, I’ll gladly serve on the board and do what I can to maintain our 
community as best I can. Yeah, the old lady near the north entrance will pin me 
down at the grocery store and bitch about the guy across the street that 
doesn’t cut his lawn as often as she likes, and I’ll nod and feign interest and 
assure her I’ll have the management company look into it. Whether or not 
anything happens probably doesn’t matter to the old gal, she just wants to be 
able to rant at someone, and if that’s me I’m OK with it. She’ll wander off 
into the produce department and I’ll head down the dairy aisle, and all will be 
good. Until I see her next time.

D- Doing my civic duty

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We spend winters in the HOA.   I've already related the experience.   If the 
> neighbors were not atypical, I would be fighting it.   "The colonel" used to 
> run it for decades, and would not have wanted to be there when she ran it. 
> Fortunately her retirement coincided with the acquisition.   Whenever she 
> shows up at a meeting she often gets her hackles up about something 
> insignificant.  Shes in her 90s now.   HOA meetings are mostly free 
> entertainment.
> 
> Conversely, the best community I lived in was Volcano Village.  Nice 
> community center, no dues. lots of activities, including cub Scouts, and 
> later Boy Scouts too.  NO HOA, No association of any kind.   The community 
> center had a board.  It regulated use of the community center, and sponsored 
> holiday events.
> 
> It was a very educated/intelligent 4000' community.  Few, if any busybodies, 
> but lots of neighborliness (perhaps because most were armed?)   My neighbor 
> cut lava blocks out of his lot to build his house.  He had a beautiful 
> garden, and grew most of his food.  Kept to himself, rarely left.  He was a 
> great neighbor.   Some people had junk cars.  some didn't.  Live and let 
> live.   if a junker was left for a year, the jungle grew over it.  Some 
> people had little more than shacks, others had somewhat large and very nice 
> houses.   It is the best place in the country, IMHO.
> 
> Oceanview was a very different community some 50 miles away.   Most people 
> there were antisocial, and most were involved some way with the pakalolo 
> industry.  But some just wanted to own a piece of paradise, even if water was 
> scarce, and if they had to drive 30-40 miles to work.   We had friends of 
> this type, who lived there.  Off grid.   Most people there had a homestead 
> that looked like a junkyard.   Most of them loved it.  They too had a 
> community association that sponsored events for holidays and such.  NO HOA, 
> no dictating what you have to do. Participants were mainly the second type, 
> but some of the pakalolo growers participated too.
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 4:40 PM:
>> I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard 
>> or read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
>>  I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much 
>> rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. 
>> However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute 
>> of work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same 
>> decision and buy in an HOA.
>>  Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience?
>>  Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the 
>> evening news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and 
>> corruption. Why would anyone li

Re: [MBZ] Saturday funny

Andy,  and others, bet on games.  Probly 1:1 odds on OKU.   So it 
shouldn't matter if they win or lose.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 6:09 PM:

It is totally beyond me why anyone other than their parents care about
these kids playing their games  I didn't when I was a student there,
and certainly don't now.





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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

Heh. I was in some missile silo support buildings that had these. Ancient 
technology but extremely reliable and robust. Sort of the 240D of standby power…

-D


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The State of OK built a new data center a couple of years before I retired
> - and IBM sold them one of these - that would have been around 2010 ...
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's a neat story.
>> 
>> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
>> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
>> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
>> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
>> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
>> online.
>> 
>> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
>> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Quite surprising.
>>> 
>>>  TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
>>> oldPublished:
>>> Monday, October 21, 2019
>>> 
>>> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
>>> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
>>> <
>>> 
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
 
>>> on the East River in Queens.
>>> 
>>> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
>>> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse
>> in
>>> central Alaska.
>>> 
>>> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely
>> gone
>>> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
>>> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
>>> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
>>> blackouts last year alone.
>>> 
>>> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go
>> away,"
>>> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
>>> Electric Association, which owns the battery.
>>> 
>>> The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
>>> comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
>>> squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
>>> when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
>>> incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
>>> called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.
>>> 
>>> Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
>>> Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
>>> stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
>>> powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
>>> global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
>>> Australia have come online.
>>> 
>>> Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it,
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
>>> Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
>>> planning
>>> <
>>> 
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/the-race-to-build-the-world-s-largest-solar-storage-plant-is-on
 
>>> a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
>>> Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
>>> with the first coming online in 2021.
>>> 
>>> But for now, the BESS remains king.
>>> 
>>> For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
>>>  with a battery
>> in
>>> California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
>>> megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
>>> 46 megawatts.
>>> 
>>> Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million
>> system
>>> kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
>>> Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
>>> of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong,
>> chairman
>>> of Golden Valley's board of directors.
>>> 
>>> "We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
>>> Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
>>> and '80s, had a generator in their garage."
>>> 
>>> As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
>>> projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
>>> batteries now being installed provide a variety of se

Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

2019-10-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The State of OK built a new data center a couple of years before I retired
- and IBM sold them one of these - that would have been around 2010 ...

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's a neat story.
>
> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
> online.
>
> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Quite surprising.
> >
> >   TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
> > oldPublished:
> > Monday, October 21, 2019
> >
> > New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
> > batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
> > <
> >
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
> > >
> >  on the East River in Queens.
> >
> > But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
> > for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse
> in
> > central Alaska.
> >
> > The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely
> gone
> > the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
> > replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
> > lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
> > blackouts last year alone.
> >
> > "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go
> away,"
> > said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
> > Electric Association, which owns the battery.
> >
> > The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
> > comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
> > squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
> > when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
> > incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
> > called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.
> >
> > Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
> > Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
> > stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
> > powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
> > global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
> > Australia have come online.
> >
> > Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it,
> > too.
> >
> > In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
> > Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
> > planning
> > <
> >
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/the-race-to-build-the-world-s-largest-solar-storage-plant-is-on
> > >
> >  a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
> > Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
> > with the first coming online in 2021.
> >
> > But for now, the BESS remains king.
> >
> > For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
> >  with a battery
> in
> > California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
> > megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
> > 46 megawatts.
> >
> > Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million
> system
> > kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
> > Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
> > of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong,
> chairman
> > of Golden Valley's board of directors.
> >
> > "We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
> > Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
> > and '80s, had a generator in their garage."
> >
> > As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
> > projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
> > batteries now being installed provide a variety of services: helping
> > maintain grid stability, storing excess electricity from wind and solar
> and
> > in some cases replacing small power plants. But in BESS's day, large
> > batteries often served relatively remote communities that needed a backup
> > power source in a pinch, Goldie

Re: [MBZ] Saturday funny

2019-10-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

It is totally beyond me why anyone other than their parents care about
these kids playing their games  I didn't when I was a student there,
and certainly don't now.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:22 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A greater tragedy would have been if the football team had LOST.
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT Which website(s) to research "smart" watches


NEEDS?  Want, perhaps.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 5:19 PM:

Daughter unit needs a "smart" watch.  Must have capability to read and
respond to text messages from the watch, answering a phone call would also
be nice.

I don't want to pay for junk, and I don't want to pay any more than
necessary.

Which websites have reports / reviews about these?
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

We spend winters in the HOA.   I've already related the experience.   If 
the neighbors were not atypical, I would be fighting it.   "The colonel" 
used to run it for decades, and would not have wanted to be there when 
she ran it. Fortunately her retirement coincided with the acquisition.   
Whenever she shows up at a meeting she often gets her hackles up about 
something insignificant.  Shes in her 90s now.   HOA meetings are mostly 
free entertainment.


Conversely, the best community I lived in was Volcano Village.  Nice 
community center, no dues. lots of activities, including cub Scouts, and 
later Boy Scouts too.  NO HOA, No association of any kind.   The 
community center had a board.  It regulated use of the community center, 
and sponsored holiday events.


It was a very educated/intelligent 4000' community.  Few, if any 
busybodies, but lots of neighborliness (perhaps because most were 
armed?)   My neighbor cut lava blocks out of his lot to build his 
house.  He had a beautiful garden, and grew most of his food.  Kept to 
himself, rarely left.  He was a great neighbor.   Some people had junk 
cars.  some didn't.  Live and let live.   if a junker was left for a 
year, the jungle grew over it.  Some people had little more than shacks, 
others had somewhat large and very nice houses.   It is the best place 
in the country, IMHO.


Oceanview was a very different community some 50 miles away.   Most 
people there were antisocial, and most were involved some way with the 
pakalolo industry.  But some just wanted to own a piece of paradise, 
even if water was scarce, and if they had to drive 30-40 miles to 
work.   We had friends of this type, who lived there.  Off grid.   Most 
people there had a homestead that looked like a junkyard.   Most of them 
loved it.  They too had a community association that sponsored events 
for holidays and such.  NO HOA, no dictating what you have to do. 
Participants were mainly the second type, but some of the pakalolo 
growers participated too.


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 4:40 PM:

I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard or 
read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
  
I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute of work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same decision and buy in an HOA.
  
Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience?
  
Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the evening news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and corruption. Why would anyone live in such a violent country?


Max Dillon
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

One of the big ones I remember didn't even involve a HOA, his own government 
did it to him.
https://nypost.com/2015/07/30/pilot-hated-by-neighbors-for-storing-cessna-in-driveway/

> On October 21, 2019 at 6:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Quite true. The media likes to blow stuff like this up way out of proportion 
> as they are wont to do.

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

We’ve always been a “nice” HOA. When our HOA was turned over to the owners, the 
consensus was that we would be a “nice” HOA.

When the economy was crappy we split the assessment payments up into multiple 
installments ($200/year pad quarterly as opposed to a single payment) to make 
it easier for people to pay their assessment. On more than one occasion we 
deferred assessments for owners in financial distress. We talk to our owners 
when there is an issue or violation so they understand what’s being asked of 
them.

In a community of 250+ homes there are a couple of assh@ts. There always will 
be in a group of people that large. However, by and large the group is 
self-policing much like Curley’s neighbors are. Community pressure and gentle 
reminders/discussions tend to yield far better results, and people are far more 
cooperative when the relationship is non-adversarial.

Where we run into trouble is with institutional investors, like Invitation 
Homes and American Homes. They bought up a lot of mid-range properties when the 
economy was bad and turned them into rentals. As you might imagine, some 
renters don’t have a sense of ownership or community because they’re 
transitional. Dealing with these folks can be challenging, as can dealing with 
the management companies.

We recently lumped all of the violations for one of the management companies 
into a single legal action. They did not like this. It will cost them money to 
defend and sort out. However, it was the only way we could get them to respond 
and comply with our community standards. Big corporate entities tend to ignore 
groups like ours because they can. However, state law gives us far more power 
in the ability to “defend” our community and association, as they’re finding 
out.

We’ll get their properties in compliance and their sandbagging will cost them a 
lot of money.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Daughter bought a house. No disclosure of HOA.   Lo and behold, there is a 
> HOA.  Got a copy of the bylaws.  Most of it is innocuous, but I am irritated 
> by "no clotheslines" one.   Why should "natural" and "energy saving" be 
> illegal? I'm inclined to claim "no disclosure, no HOA" but most of the 
> neighbors are very nice.  Many are retired military. (Just lost a WWII bomber 
> pilot and a korea war pilot)  The HOA spends the dues money to maintain the 
> entrances and such, so its an ok HOA.   We do some volunteer work for the HOA 
> in the winter. wunna the jackass neighbors called the city on her because 
> we let wildflowers bloom in parts of the yard before mowing.  City claimed 
> wildflowers are "noxious weeds."  Blah blah...
> 
> There are new owners of a house down the street from her.  He is military, 
> (deployed right after they moved in) and their kid was killed in a car 
> accident in town right after they moved in, so most neighbors are willing to 
> cut them some slack, but most of the time, they have 5-6 vehicles parked on 
> the grass (mostly dirt and tree roots now)in front of the 3-4000 ft sq ranch 
> house.  The house is situated long side to the street, so it is 70-80 feet 
> long.   HOA does not forbid this, (parking on what is supposed to be lawn) as 
> they all move, mostly daily. Neighbors are talking to them privately, asking 
> them to park in the drive or the paved backyard.   It has helped somewhat.  
> To me, sowing some tolerance, and talking with them privately is a better 
> approach than invoking the long arm of johnny law.   This too shall pass.  
> They will move, or their kids/renters will go, eventually.
> 
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 3:10 PM:
>> In Arizona, HOA's became so power mad the state had to legislate laws to
>> reign them in. Now, home owners have full legal recourse against HOA's who
>> abuse home owners and try to be self elected neighborhood dictators.
>> [Within the limits of the HOA protection laws in place.]
>> 
>> So, it is a two edge sword..
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

As they should. Same thing in Florida, which is why HOA and condo association 
law is pretty tightly controlled. It gets tighter and tighter every year, which 
is a good thing. I have to take a class on an annual basis to stay current with 
state law. We also employ a management company to handle most of our business, 
which shifts a lot of liability to them and away from the Board members.

Tough to get people to volunteer to serve if they have liability exposure.

-D


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Arizona, HOA's became so power mad the state had to legislate laws to
> reign them in. Now, home owners have full legal recourse against HOA's who
> abuse home owners and try to be self elected neighborhood dictators.
> [Within the limits of the HOA protection laws in place.]
> 
> So, it is a two edge sword..
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:24 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to
>> create any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours
>> tend to keep their places quite tidy.
>> There are some rules enforced by the city but not to seriously unless
>> there are complaints.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/10/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
>>> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
>>> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
 right," want HOAs.
 
 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
>> I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
> Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Quite true. The media likes to blow stuff like this up way out of proportion as 
they are wont to do. I would add that condominium associations are a totally 
different animal and are typically the ones that garner bad press, as they have 
far more power in a number of areas regarding the community.

Believe me, much like Max, I would much rather have a vast estate with 
neighbors miles away, a large steel building for a shop, a place to park 
whatever cars follow me home, and a big honking berm for use as a pistol and 
rifle range. However, the spousal unit prefers next door neighbors and the 
proximity of retail and other establishments. Her call in this case.

None of the opinions expressed here are new or unusual. The State of Florida is 
especially sensitive to the HOA issue, as when you look at a house for 
purchase, the realtor has to give you a written disclosure that you must sign 
stating that you are aware that it is in a deed restricted community and to 
live in that community you must agree to abide by the bylaws and community 
standards.

You’ll see and sign a similar disclosure two more times if you buy the place. 
One at the time you tender an offer (a "planned development rider”) and again 
when you close on the property. That disclosure is an attestation on your part 
that you’ve read, understand, and agree to comply with said bylaws and 
standards. You don’t? No deal. It’s the law.

Believe it or not, people will sometimes go rogue on the association and refuse 
to comply with community standards, stating things like, “I never agreed to 
this” or the like. When that occurs we bring out a copy of their attestation 
and show them where they did, in fact, agree. That usually gets them to be far 
more amenable to working within the framework of the HOA. I’ve been involved in 
one instance where someone did not comply. Something like this gets turned over 
to our attorneys as prescribed by state law - not vindictiveness or hate from 
the Board. It’s not our choice.

The instance I speak of cost a property owner over $2k to resolve. This was 
over $400 of assessments (two years @ $200/year) they refused to pay. The rest 
was in interest, penalties and legal fees that accrued over the almost four 
years it took to resolve this. We had to foreclose on their home, more of a 
symbolic act than anything else as their bank is first in line, but this 
assures our attorney’s ability to collect in the event the home was sold or 
went into foreclosure. It also motivated their lender to put pressure on the 
owner to sort things out. Banks don’t like HOAs nipping at their heels. Again, 
this was not a Board action, it was dictated by state law.

Owner had to work out a payment plan with the attorney that took then 3 years 
to pay off. And that’s for being “most right” - and all of the actions by the 
HOA were not vindictive or hateful. We had to take action or violate our 
fiduciary duties. Ouch.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard 
> or read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
> 
> I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much 
> rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. 
> However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute 
> of work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same decision 
> and buy in an HOA.
> 
> Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience? 
> 
> Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the evening 
> news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and 
> corruption. Why would anyone live in such a violent country?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This $500E500 W211

2019-10-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Somehow you can get the state DMV to tell you who is the owner and who
holds the lien(s).  Might be a good start.  If you declare the car
abandoned and pay for registered letters to go out to those parties, and
they don't respond within some proscribed time-frame, you can claim title
to the car.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 3:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> The guy I bought it from never gave me a title, wrote up a bill of sale,
> which is not enough to get it registered in my name here.  So I'm
> guessing he has a loan on it from some title place, I'll need to go by
> and talk to him and see what he might do or what line he gives me about
> it.  He would need to go to DMV to apply for a new title, I can't do
> that, he probably doesn't want to do that either.
>
>
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[MBZ] OT Which website(s) to research "smart" watches

2019-10-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Daughter unit needs a "smart" watch.  Must have capability to read and
respond to text messages from the watch, answering a phone call would also
be nice.

I don't want to pay for junk, and I don't want to pay any more than
necessary.

Which websites have reports / reviews about these?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Exactly.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, if he's happy... Merka!  Where we still have choices!
> 
> I'd eat my gun before I would live in a HOA community, but fortunately I can 
> choose not to do either.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/21/19 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> uh oh - Dan drank the kool-aide
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> 


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I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard or 
read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
 
I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much 
rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. 
However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute of 
work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same decision and 
buy in an HOA.
 
Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience? 
 
Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the evening 
news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and 
corruption. Why would anyone live in such a violent country?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right


Hey, if he's happy... Merka!  Where we still have choices!

I'd eat my gun before I would live in a HOA community, but fortunately I 
can choose not to do either.


--FT

On 10/21/19 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

uh oh - Dan drank the kool-aide

Randy



On 21/10/2019 4:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Our County does have such laws. That is not the purpose of an HOA, 
and it’s also an oft-repeated misstatement by the uninformed when the 
subject comes up. There is no straw man argument here.


The primary purpose of a homeowner association is to maintain and 
enhance property values. Period. People who buy homes in a community 
with a homeowner association typically place value on community 
appearance.


I can’t “pester” my neighbors, even as a board member. I have to 
adhere to a code of conduct and am bonded with a fiduciary duty to 
the Association. No such thing as a “condo commando” here. I have no 
more power over the Board or my neighbors than any other owner does. 
Yes, there are nightmarish stories about HOAs gone wild, but in 
reality they’re rare. The biggest problem most associations 
experience is the inability to get people to serve. I serve because 
it’s my way to give back to the community not because I “want to feel 
important". For that matter, a lot of people don’t want to servve on 
the Board because of the visibility it gives them. Much like an 
elected official, which Board members are, when someone sees you 
outside or at the grocery store, they have no qualms about cornering 
you to ask about something or gripe about another property owner. I 
don’t mind this at all, as it gives me the ability to problem solve 
and make my fellow property owners happy.


It takes a minimal amount of my time and allows me to better connect 
with my neighbors. I want my neighborhood to remain desirable and 
maintain it’s value, so this is how I can contribute to that effort. 
Yes, I get violation notices just like anyone else, and I don’t mind 
it. If something is out of whack I want to make sure it gets 
addressed, like the oil stains on the driveway. I pressure washed it 
yesterday after I finished working on the W211.


An HOA is not interested in enforcing existing laws, only community 
standards to assure the homes are maintained and somewhat consistent 
in design and appearance. Nothing more. If a property owner puts a 
car up on blocks or has a non-operating vehicle parked on the street 
for weeks, the County deals with it, not the HOA, just as the County 
would do anywhere else.


To quote from HOA-USA:

"Recent surveys show that over 70% of residents are satisfied and 
happy to live in a community with a homeowner association.


These association members want the protection of restrictive 
covenants and rules to protect the value of their home and community. 
They do not want an overgrown weed infested yard to stand out in an 
otherwise well landscaped community. They do not want boats and 
utility trailers and RVs and commercial vehicles parked in driveways 
and streets. They do not want the rogue neighbor to paint his house 
orange in protest. They do not want their neighbor to build a fence 
that blocks a beautiful view; much less a do it yourself home 
addition that goes on forever.


These association members want the value of shared amenities. They 
enjoy the pool, the tennis courts, and the clubhouse. They value the 
rules that set standards of conduct.”



We don’t have a community pool, tennis courts or clubhouse, but we do 
have a 60+ acre private park that belongs to us for the exclusive use 
of our owners and their guests. It’s a venue I’ve been trying for 
years to use for a "Florida Q” because it would be a great place for 
one.


The HOA promotes a sense of community here, and sponsors a number of 
events for the residents at no cost. For example, there is a 
“Halloween parade” for all the children in the neighborhood this 
month. It costs nothing to participate and is a means by which our 
neighbors get together and enjoy each other’s company.


So to my point - the HOA isn’t a bunch of Nazis going around busting 
your chops for a car on blocks in your front yard. It’s a means by 
which the collective community of owners use agreed upon standards to 
maintain their property values. To think anything different exhibits 
a clear misunderstanding of their purpose.


And I’ll leave it at that.

-D



On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Right.  The big reason for HOA regs that I hear most is "you don't 
want your neighbor to park cars in the yard on cement blocks."   
That is a straw man, because most burgs have laws/ordinances against 
that anyway.   I suspect Dan's city has the regulation.  So it BS as 
the argument for a HOA.


Holier than thou people like HOAs so they can pester their 
neighbors. It makes little people feel important.   Some of em ride 
hogs without mufflers to get attention.  others get elected to HOA 
board

Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

uh oh - Dan drank the kool-aide

Randy

On 21/10/2019 4:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Our County does have such laws. That is not the purpose of an HOA, and it’s
also an oft-repeated misstatement by the uninformed when the subject comes up.
There is no straw man argument here.

The primary purpose of a homeowner association is to maintain and enhance
property values. Period. People who buy homes in a community with a homeowner
association typically place value on community appearance.

I can’t “pester” my neighbors, even as a board member. I have to adhere to a code of
conduct and am bonded with a fiduciary duty to the Association. No such thing as a
“condo commando” here. I have no more power over the Board or my neighbors than any
other owner does. Yes, there are nightmarish stories about HOAs gone wild, but in
reality they’re rare. The biggest problem most associations experience is the
inability to get people to serve. I serve because it’s my way to give back to the
community not because I “want to feel important". For that matter, a lot of
people don’t want to servve on the Board because of the visibility it gives them.
Much like an elected official, which Board members are, when someone sees you
outside or at the grocery store, they have no qualms about cornering you to ask
about something or gripe about another property owner. I don’t mind this at all, as
it gives me the ability to problem solve and make my fellow property owners happy.

It takes a minimal amount of my time and allows me to better connect with my
neighbors. I want my neighborhood to remain desirable and maintain it’s value,
so this is how I can contribute to that effort. Yes, I get violation notices
just like anyone else, and I don’t mind it. If something is out of whack I want
to make sure it gets addressed, like the oil stains on the driveway. I pressure
washed it yesterday after I finished working on the W211.

An HOA is not interested in enforcing existing laws, only community standards
to assure the homes are maintained and somewhat consistent in design and
appearance. Nothing more. If a property owner puts a car up on blocks or has a
non-operating vehicle parked on the street for weeks, the County deals with it,
not the HOA, just as the County would do anywhere else.

To quote from HOA-USA:

"Recent surveys show that over 70% of residents are satisfied and happy to live
in a community with a homeowner association.

These association members want the protection of restrictive covenants and
rules to protect the value of their home and community. They do not want an
overgrown weed infested yard to stand out in an otherwise well landscaped
community. They do not want boats and utility trailers and RVs and commercial
vehicles parked in driveways and streets. They do not want the rogue neighbor
to paint his house orange in protest. They do not want their neighbor to build
a fence that blocks a beautiful view; much less a do it yourself home addition
that goes on forever.

These association members want the value of shared amenities. They enjoy the
pool, the tennis courts, and the clubhouse. They value the rules that set
standards of conduct.”

We don’t have a community pool, tennis courts or clubhouse, but we do have a 60+
acre private park that belongs to us for the exclusive use of our owners and their
guests. It’s a venue I’ve been trying for years to use for a "Florida Q”
because it would be a great place for one.

The HOA promotes a sense of community here, and sponsors a number of events for
the residents at no cost. For example, there is a “Halloween parade” for all
the children in the neighborhood this month. It costs nothing to participate
and is a means by which our neighbors get together and enjoy each other’s
company.

So to my point - the HOA isn’t a bunch of Nazis going around busting your chops
for a car on blocks in your front yard. It’s a means by which the collective
community of owners use agreed upon standards to maintain their property
values. To think anything different exhibits a clear misunderstanding of their
purpose.

And I’ll leave it at that.

-D

On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
wrote:

Right. The big reason for HOA regs that I hear most is "you don't want your
neighbor to park cars in the yard on cement blocks." That is a straw man, because
most burgs have laws/ordinances against that anyway. I suspect Dan's city has the
regulation. So it BS as the argument for a HOA.

Holier than thou people like HOAs so they can pester their neighbors. It makes
little people feel important. Some of em ride hogs without mufflers to get
attention. others get elected to HOA boards.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 2:23 PM:

HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to create
any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours tend to keep
their places quite tidy.
There a

Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Our County does have such laws. That is not the purpose of an HOA, and it’s 
also an oft-repeated misstatement by the uninformed when the subject comes up. 
There is no straw man argument here.

The primary purpose of a homeowner association is to maintain and enhance 
property values. Period. People who buy homes in a community with a homeowner 
association typically place value on community appearance.

I can’t “pester” my neighbors, even as a board member. I have to adhere to a 
code of conduct and am bonded with a fiduciary duty to the Association. No such 
thing as a “condo commando” here. I have no more power over the Board or my 
neighbors than any other owner does. Yes, there are nightmarish stories about 
HOAs gone wild, but in reality they’re rare. The biggest problem most 
associations experience is the inability to get people to serve. I serve 
because it’s my way to give back to the community not because I “want to feel 
important". For that matter, a lot of people don’t want to servve on the Board 
because of the visibility it gives them. Much like an elected official, which 
Board members are, when someone sees you outside or at the grocery store, they 
have no qualms about cornering you to ask about something or gripe about 
another property owner. I don’t mind this at all, as it gives me the ability to 
problem solve and make my fellow property owners happy.

It takes a minimal amount of my time and allows me to better connect with my 
neighbors. I want my neighborhood to remain desirable and maintain it’s value, 
so this is how I can contribute to that effort. Yes, I get violation notices 
just like anyone else, and I don’t mind it. If something is out of whack I want 
to make sure it gets addressed, like the oil stains on the driveway. I pressure 
washed it yesterday after I finished working on the W211.

An HOA is not interested in enforcing existing laws, only community standards 
to assure the homes are maintained and somewhat consistent in design and 
appearance. Nothing more. If a property owner puts a car up on blocks or has a 
non-operating vehicle parked on the street for weeks, the County deals with it, 
not the HOA, just as the County would do anywhere else.

To quote from HOA-USA:

"Recent surveys show that over 70% of residents are satisfied and happy to live 
in a community with a homeowner association.

These association members want the protection of restrictive covenants and 
rules to protect the value of their home and community. They do not want an 
overgrown weed infested yard to stand out in an otherwise well landscaped 
community. They do not want boats and utility trailers and RVs and commercial 
vehicles parked in driveways and streets. They do not want the rogue neighbor 
to paint his house orange in protest. They do not want their neighbor to build 
a fence that blocks a beautiful view; much less a do it yourself home addition 
that goes on forever.

These association members want the value of shared amenities. They enjoy the 
pool, the tennis courts, and the clubhouse. They value the rules that set 
standards of conduct.”

We don’t have a community pool, tennis courts or clubhouse, but we do have a 
60+ acre private park that belongs to us for the exclusive use of our owners 
and their guests. It’s a venue I’ve been trying for years to use for a "Florida 
Q” because it would be a great place for one.

The HOA promotes a sense of community here, and sponsors a number of events for 
the residents at no cost. For example, there is a “Halloween parade” for all 
the children in the neighborhood this month. It costs nothing to participate 
and is a means by which our neighbors get together and enjoy each other’s 
company.

So to my point - the HOA isn’t a bunch of Nazis going around busting your chops 
for a car on blocks in your front yard. It’s a means by which the collective 
community of owners use agreed upon standards to maintain their property 
values. To think anything different exhibits a clear misunderstanding of their 
purpose.

And I’ll leave it at that.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Right.  The big reason for HOA regs that I hear most is "you don't want your 
> neighbor to park cars in the yard on cement blocks."   That is a straw man, 
> because most burgs have laws/ordinances against that anyway.   I suspect 
> Dan's city has the regulation.  So it BS as the argument for a HOA.
> 
> Holier than thou people like HOAs so they can pester their neighbors. It 
> makes little people feel important.   Some of em ride hogs without mufflers 
> to get attention.  others get elected to HOA boards.
> 
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 2:23 PM:
>> HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to 
>> create any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours tend 
>> to keep their places quite tidy.
>> There are some rules enforced by the city but not to seriously unles

Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Daughter bought a house. No disclosure of HOA.   Lo and behold, there is 
a HOA.  Got a copy of the bylaws.  Most of it is innocuous, but I am 
irritated by "no clotheslines" one.   Why should "natural" and "energy 
saving" be illegal? I'm inclined to claim "no disclosure, no HOA" 
but most of the neighbors are very nice.  Many are retired military. 
(Just lost a WWII bomber pilot and a korea war pilot)  The HOA spends 
the dues money to maintain the entrances and such, so its an ok HOA.   
We do some volunteer work for the HOA in the winter. wunna the 
jackass neighbors called the city on her because we let wildflowers 
bloom in parts of the yard before mowing.  City claimed wildflowers are 
"noxious weeds."  Blah blah...


There are new owners of a house down the street from her.  He is 
military, (deployed right after they moved in) and their kid was killed 
in a car accident in town right after they moved in, so most neighbors 
are willing to cut them some slack, but most of the time, they have 5-6 
vehicles parked on the grass (mostly dirt and tree roots now)in front of 
the 3-4000 ft sq ranch house.  The house is situated long side to the 
street, so it is 70-80 feet long.   HOA does not forbid this, (parking 
on what is supposed to be lawn) as they all move, mostly daily. 
Neighbors are talking to them privately, asking them to park in the 
drive or the paved backyard.   It has helped somewhat.  To me, sowing 
some tolerance, and talking with them privately is a better approach 
than invoking the long arm of johnny law.   This too shall pass.  They 
will move, or their kids/renters will go, eventually.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 3:10 PM:

In Arizona, HOA's became so power mad the state had to legislate laws to
reign them in. Now, home owners have full legal recourse against HOA's who
abuse home owners and try to be self elected neighborhood dictators.
[Within the limits of the HOA protection laws in place.]

So, it is a two edge sword..




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Re: [MBZ] You guys in the Low Lands, Have you heard about this place?


Haven't been there either, but I do love coffee. That location is right in the 
middle of the tourist trap downtown.


Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mon Oct 21 14:08:09 EDT 2019 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
:
 
> I don’t drink the stuff so not in my To Do list. I think I know where that 
> is, kinda hard to pop in for a cup due to parking issues but it probably gets 
> neighbors and turistas 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Listening to the radio today, I heard of Bitty and Beau's Coffee.
>> 
>> https://www.bittyandbeauscoffee.com
>> 
>> Their original location is in Wilmington, NC, but they have a location
>> in your neck of the woods:
>> 
>>  159 Church Street
>>  Charleston, SC 28403 
>>  (843) 609-0455
>> 
>>  Open Daily 8am - 6pm
>> 
>> Bitty & Beau’s Coffee is more than just a place to grab a cup of coffee –
>> it’s an experience. While the shop is run by people with intellectual and
>> developmental disabilities and the customers love the products, they
>> really come in for the unique customer service experience.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Right.  The big reason for HOA regs that I hear most is "you don't want 
your neighbor to park cars in the yard on cement blocks."   That is a 
straw man, because most burgs have laws/ordinances against that 
anyway.   I suspect Dan's city has the regulation.  So it BS as the 
argument for a HOA.


Holier than thou people like HOAs so they can pester their neighbors. It 
makes little people feel important.   Some of em ride hogs without 
mufflers to get attention.  others get elected to HOA boards.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 2:23 PM:
HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to 
create any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours 
tend to keep their places quite tidy.
There are some rules enforced by the city but not to seriously unless 
there are complaints.


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Re: [MBZ] Finally decided to take a chance on this (and it is a diesel)

NICE!  That and the forklift, you can P/u and deliver presses all over 
the country.   Will the UD carry the forklift and a press?


Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes wrote on 
10/21/19 12:38 PM:

Folks,

I was sort of wanting a rollback for moving machinery and cars.

I went and looked at this 1994 UD with a baby 17 foot steel deck. The rollback 
works, but the truck sounds good but doesn’t run right. I’m suspecting a fuel 
restriction. The body is oddly perfect (and no rust) for a 350,000 mile 
vehicle. It is between Summerville, SC and Monks Corner ( north of Charleston). 
 I think I wisely made the decision not to try to limp it home 120 miles to 
Savannah and started shopping for someone to haul it. I’ve been getting quotes 
all over the map for the 120 mile trip: $850. $625. $500 etc. I think the haul 
should only cost about $300 but what do I know. From the front bumper to aft of 
the rear wheels it measures only 17 feet and overall it is only 23 feet long, 
so it will fit on most any rollback.

Yesterday, I ran a wanted ad on SAV and CHS Craigslist’s and a car hauler guy 
called me and said he will do it with a 53 foot wedge trailer for, get this, 
1.30 per LOADED mile. Sounds like a deal, so we will see how it works out.

The UD is an orphan truck. Although it is Datsun/ Nissan, I think the last  
ones were sold here in 2007 or 2009 so parts will likely be a bit sketchy but 
likely no more difficult than the Peugeot’s that  I drove for years!

Oh, and I paid $4k for it.

Wish me luck!  Xx rick








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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

In Arizona, HOA's became so power mad the state had to legislate laws to
reign them in. Now, home owners have full legal recourse against HOA's who
abuse home owners and try to be self elected neighborhood dictators.
[Within the limits of the HOA protection laws in place.]

So, it is a two edge sword..

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:24 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to
> create any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours
> tend to keep their places quite tidy.
> There are some rules enforced by the city but not to seriously unless
> there are complaints.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 21/10/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> > settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> > some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
> >> right," want HOAs.
> >>
> >> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
>  I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
> >>> Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

I like to have junk around

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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While I think that some of you are grossly exaggerating the effect of an HOA, 
> I fully understand the desire to have no restrictions on the use of your 
> property. In my case I prefer to know that my property value will be 
> protected if not enhanced by the presence of an HOA, and in order to achieve 
> this I’ll gladly comply with community standards in place for my community.
> 
> And it’s also clear that there is a misunderstanding of how HOAs work. As an 
> FYI, rules or standards can’t be established arbitrarily, they have to be 
> voted on and approved by 2/3 of the ownership in my community. With over 250 
> properties, it’s a struggle to get 50% to respond to a proxy mailing much 
> less get a majority. They also can’t conflict with laws covering ownership or 
> Fair Housing laws, too. In other words, Jim’s paranoia about defining who can 
> live in the house is simply misguided and wrong.
> 
> In my community the “rules” as it were pertain mainly to things like house 
> paint and roofing colors, landscaping and some basic land use. The County has 
> ordinances covering things like occupancy and use, that's well beyond an 
> HOA’s responsibilities.
> 
> Again, to each his or her own. I have chosen to live in a suburban community 
> that has standards in place to maintain and enhance property value, as that’s 
> important to me.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> a real j**k could move in next door...
>> 
>> I have a friend who _owned_ the property in question, and a real
>> jerk moved in.  Couldn't get rid of them, of course.  Renters' rights...
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this

Cute.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 3:44 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I could use it to go pick up D voters on election day!
>
> --FT
>
> On 10/21/19 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > And I would have no trouble reselling it.  People are DYING every day for
> > this vehicle.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:36 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That Caddy would be perfect for Andrew. Think of it as a daily commute
> >> car.. one that would make a statement. It does have "style"...
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe it requires the new owner to drop off a very old "package" at the
> >>> cemetery?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/
> 
>  1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
>  Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
>  <
> 
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details
>  ·
> 
> 
>  $2,000
> 
> * About This Vehicle
> 
> *
> o
> 
> o Driven 300 miles
> *
> o
> 
> o Automatic transmission
> *
> o
> 
> o Exterior color: Black
> *
> o
> 
> o Good condition
>   
> 
>  Seller's Description
> 
>  1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this


I could use it to go pick up D voters on election day!

--FT

On 10/21/19 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

And I would have no trouble reselling it.  People are DYING every day for
this vehicle.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:36 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


That Caddy would be perfect for Andrew. Think of it as a daily commute
car.. one that would make a statement. It does have "style"...

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Maybe it requires the new owner to drop off a very old "package" at the
cemetery?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/

1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
<


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details

·


$2,000

   * About This Vehicle

   *
   o

   o Driven 300 miles
   *
   o

   o Automatic transmission
   *
   o

   o Exterior color: Black
   *
   o

   o Good condition
 

Seller's Description

1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.

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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

The guy posted the S55 again on CL so I ping him again about when I can 
come look at it and where.  Response "Today in Summerville". So I ask 
him about tomorrow morning maybe, no response.  I guess tomorrow morning 
I will ask again, and when he says "today" maybe he will tell me where 
to go to look at it.


Entertainment...

--FT

On 10/17/19 4:03 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Wise choice
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 3:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/

2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class G 65 AMG Sport Utility 4D
Myrtle Beach, SC· about a day ago

·


$123,000

  * About This Vehicle
  *

  *
      o

      o Driven 10,461 miles
  *
      o

      o Automatic transmission
  *
      o

      o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
  *
      o

      o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
  *
      o

      o Excellent condition
        

  * Typical Features
  *

  *
    Leather Seats
  *
    Moon Roof
  *
    Navigation
  *
    Bluetooth
  *

Seller's Description

You can pay in all, or monthly.

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Re: [MBZ] This $500E500 W211

I pulled the aux battery and put it on the charger.  Only got to 8.4V so 
I guess it is dead.  Managed to jiggle the "key" in the trunk lock and 
got it to the open position, got a charger on the main battery that came 
in the car which is probably shot, mostly. Anyway, I'll charge that up, 
maybe put the aux battery back in. El Mercado de Wal has one for $40 
which I don't want to spend so maybe will let it slide for now.


I tried to put a jumper battery on the aux cables and it was making 
Unhappy Sounds up under the dash somewhere, and pulling a lot of 
electrons, I guess trying to charge up the main battery. So took that 
off then got the trunk open.


The guy I bought it from never gave me a title, wrote up a bill of sale, 
which is not enough to get it registered in my name here.  So I'm 
guessing he has a loan on it from some title place, I'll need to go by 
and talk to him and see what he might do or what line he gives me about 
it.  He would need to go to DMV to apply for a new title, I can't do 
that, he probably doesn't want to do that either.


The joys of cheap cars!

--FT

On 10/20/19 9:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

Yeah I pulled that out and put it on the charger. If it doesn’t charge up I’ll 
put it back in and put the charger on those cables, or maybe just jump it with 
another battery, maybe that will juice things up.

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Does it help if you could get to the little motorcycle battery under the hood? 
Does that power up any of the systems such as the doors?

-D



On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Can you get to the battery wire connection on the solenoid? If so, you
should be able to charge it from there ---

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Good point. Hadn’t thought about that.

-D



On Oct 20, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I don’t think the 211 does because the battery is easily accessible from

the trunk. The 210 has then under the hood because the battery is under the
back seat.

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On Oct 20, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Why can’t you access the terminals under the hood to charge things up?

Don’t these cars have the B+ and ground terminals under the hood for
jumping/charging?

-D



On Oct 20, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I had that issue on my 211 &  found that with a lot of fiddling  &

turning

the steel key i could open the trunk. It didn't pop it like the

electric

key but finally let me squeeze the latch to open trunk.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 6:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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Went out to get something from the trunk. No happy. It has an electric
release. Battery is in trunk. The one in it was flat when I got the

car, I

think I put in another one to get it running then charged that one

and put

it back. Battery dead it seems, was probably mostly crapped out

anyway.

Took out the aux battery, like a lawn mower battery, and charging it

up, no

idea what its status is. Maybe that will provide enough juice to open

the

trunk if it takes a charge?

There’s a key lock too up under the lid so I took the metal key from

the

fob and turned it. Maybe that locked it I don’t know but it didn’t

release

the trunk. Now it won’t turn back. Bugger.

Is there another place to put a charger on this thing to charge the

big

battery?  I don’t see a terminal anywhere, some cars have those.

Maybe put

it on the aux battery and let the electrons flow?

These newer cars are a total PITA

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

> Jim’s paranoia about defining who can live in the house is simply misguided 
> and wrong.

Not paranoid.  Just sparking a philosophical discussion.
What if I can provide statistics that prove that black families'
neighborhoods are worth less than whites'?  Should I not be able to
protect my housing investment?  "There goes the neighborhood!"

I'm a firm believer in the law of unintended consequences, in light
of which _all_ restrictions should be thoroughly chewed over, with
plenty of devil's advocacy.  It really, IMHO, comes down to what kind
of people do we want to be?  Free?  Brave?  Tolerant?  Or... otherwise.

But the locality that says you can't have a flagpole,
or an RV _and_ a boat, really galls me.  Especially since
it's rural acreage!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

HOA's are something that we do not have here and it does not appear to 
create any issues. If you buy in a decent area, most of the neighbours 
tend to keep their places quite tidy.
There are some rules enforced by the city but not to seriously unless 
there are complaints.


Randy


On 21/10/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
right," want HOAs.

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:

I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.

Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this

If one were to strip the crappy vinyl top, ditch the landeau bars and 
paint it bright red, it would not look too bad.


Randy

On 21/10/2019 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

That Caddy would be perfect for Andrew. Think of it as a daily commute
car.. one that would make a statement. It does have "style"...



On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/

1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
<


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details

·


$2,000

   * About This Vehicle

   *
   o

   o Driven 300 miles
   *
   o

   o Automatic transmission
   *
   o

   o Exterior color: Black
   *
   o

   o Good condition
 

Seller's Description

1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

While I think that some of you are grossly exaggerating the effect of an HOA, I 
fully understand the desire to have no restrictions on the use of your 
property. In my case I prefer to know that my property value will be protected 
if not enhanced by the presence of an HOA, and in order to achieve this I’ll 
gladly comply with community standards in place for my community.

And it’s also clear that there is a misunderstanding of how HOAs work. As an 
FYI, rules or standards can’t be established arbitrarily, they have to be voted 
on and approved by 2/3 of the ownership in my community. With over 250 
properties, it’s a struggle to get 50% to respond to a proxy mailing much less 
get a majority. They also can’t conflict with laws covering ownership or Fair 
Housing laws, too. In other words, Jim’s paranoia about defining who can live 
in the house is simply misguided and wrong.

In my community the “rules” as it were pertain mainly to things like house 
paint and roofing colors, landscaping and some basic land use. The County has 
ordinances covering things like occupancy and use, that's well beyond an HOA’s 
responsibilities.

Again, to each his or her own. I have chosen to live in a suburban community 
that has standards in place to maintain and enhance property value, as that’s 
important to me.

-D

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> a real j**k could move in next door...
> 
> I have a friend who _owned_ the property in question, and a real
> jerk moved in.  Couldn't get rid of them, of course.  Renters' rights...
> 
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] OT: Floating Offshore wind turbines

Floating wind turbine in Europe heralds 'new era'


Published: Monday, October 21, 2019[image: Floating wind turbine. Photo
credit: Untrakdrover/Wikimedia Commons]

A WindFloat Atlantic prototype turbine operating off the coast of
Portugal. Untrakdrover/Wikimedia
Commons

The first floating wind turbine in continental Europe launched from a
Spanish port today bound for a location 12 miles from the Portuguese
coastline.

Industry proponents say the launch represents another step in proving
technology that can successfully unmoor the offshore wind sector. Once
operating, the pilot project will be the second floating offshore wind farm
in the world, following Equinor ASA's Hywind Scotland project that launched
in 2017.

"We now mark the beginning of a new era, where floating wind enables true
globalization of offshore wind and firmly establishes this industry as the
renewable energy source with the highest growth for the coming decades,"
said João Metelo, CEO of Principle Power Inc., one of the companies leading
the project.

The WindFloat Atlantic platform is one of three that will be transported to
the wind farm location over the next few months. It's comprised of a
triangle of three connected buoys, with the turbine placed on one of the
three angles.

The three-turbine farm — a joint project of several European firms — would
have an installed capacity of 25 megawatts, enough power to serve an
average of 60,000 energy users, according to the company.

In contrast to traditional offshore wind farms, the Windfloat Atlantic
platform and turbine is installed in harbor and then transported to its
final location via tugboats, a process proponents say cuts development
costs.

The nascent U.S. offshore wind industry lags behind Europe in installed
wind capacity. Block Island, a pilot project installed off the Rhode Island
coast in 2016, is the only operating offshore wind facility in the United
States.

But a host of proposals are in development following increased leasing of
wind areas, state policy promises in the Northeast to buy offshore wind
power and falling costs of developing offshore wind in Europe.

Floating technology has not been a feature of the U.S. projects planned
along the Eastern Seaboard, but it's a likely necessity for a potential
California offshore wind market where deeper waters make drilling turbines
to the seafloor more difficult.

Tim Charters, vice president of government affairs for the National Ocean
Industries Association, said the Windfloat Atlantic project is proving the
technology's growing viability.

"This proof of concept gives us confidence that the American market for
offshore floating wind is ready to move forward today," he said.

The Windfloat Atlantic project is a joint venture of the Spanish power
company EDP Renewables, the French utility Engie, the oil and gas firm
Repsol SA and the Portuguese offshore wind company Principle Power.
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

2019-10-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

I've done the POR15 sealing once. Do heed the instructions to blow out
all the vent lines and fittings with compressed air before the sealer
sets up.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  I've done that on my Cub Cadet tractors. Both of them had tiny pinholes in 
> the very bottom of the tank. I used POR15 gas tank sealer though I suspect 
> any of the magic tank sealers would work adequately.
> I did screw up one of the tanks and put way too much, it pooled in the 
> bottom and took months to cure all the way through. Or maybe it never cured 
> all the way but the skin is now thick enough that I can't tell the 
> difference, its probably 1/8" thick. I tried scraping at it once, that was 
> also a mistake. Fortunately what was left leveled out (some) after I left it 
> alone.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

> a real j**k could move in next door...

I have a friend who _owned_ the property in question, and a real
jerk moved in.  Couldn't get rid of them, of course.  Renters' rights...

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

 Until somebody steals your dog out of your front yard...
I don't like anybody having the right to tell me what I can and cannot do on my 
own property.
Thats what I really like about our place in Maine, when we built the garage dad 
and I went to pull a building permit, the clerk laughed us out "For a garage on 
a farm? Just build it!" So we did...
To counter Dan's point, homes outside of HOAs tend to be less expensive. ;)
-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 2:03:38 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I agree it can get really asinine, but if you want the freedom from
interference by officious neighbors then you must accept the chance that a
real j**k could move in next door and park his junk (non Mercedes) cars in
the front yard for you and any future property buyers to see.

Our subdivision doesn't have a HOA but there is an overall covenant
prohibiting any fences in front yards.  I see nothing wrong with that.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:52 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> > settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> > some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
>
> But where does it stop?  If you don't want 'their kind' next to you,
> can/should
> you dictate what vehicles they can even own?  (Must own at least one EV,
> to prove their progressive attitudes.)  Their jobs?  (Must have adequate
> income
> and political sensitivity, in order to preserve 'our' way of life.)  Too
> many/few
> kids for your liking?  Too old?  Too young?  Too black?  Too white?  Too
> many/few
> penises and/or vaginas in the household?  Too ambiguous regarding same?
>
> We have a neighbor, retired Navy.  His HOA prohibits his erecting a
> flagpole.
> Nice.
>
> Yesterday I watched (Netflix) a recent film adaptation of "The Little
> Prince".
> Very well done.  The neighborhood absolutely _screamed_ HOA to me,
> but I know which neighbor I'd rather have!
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] You guys in the Low Lands, Have you heard about this place?

2019-10-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I don’t drink the stuff so not in my To Do list. I think I know where that is, 
kinda hard to pop in for a cup due to parking issues but it probably gets 
neighbors and turistas 

--FT
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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Listening to the radio today, I heard of Bitty and Beau's Coffee.
> 
> https://www.bittyandbeauscoffee.com
> 
> Their original location is in Wilmington, NC, but they have a location
> in your neck of the woods:
> 
>   159 Church Street
>   Charleston, SC 28403
>   (843) 609-0455
> 
>   Open Daily 8am - 6pm
> 
> Bitty & Beau’s Coffee is more than just a place to grab a cup of coffee –
> it’s an experience. While the shop is run by people with intellectual and
> developmental disabilities and the customers love the products, they
> really come in for the unique customer service experience.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

I agree it can get really asinine, but if you want the freedom from
interference by officious neighbors then you must accept the chance that a
real j**k could move in next door and park his junk (non Mercedes) cars in
the front yard for you and any future property buyers to see.

Our subdivision doesn't have a HOA but there is an overall covenant
prohibiting any fences in front yards.  I see nothing wrong with that.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:52 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:

> > Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> > settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> > some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
>
> But where does it stop?  If you don't want 'their kind' next to you,
> can/should
> you dictate what vehicles they can even own?  (Must own at least one EV,
> to prove their progressive attitudes.)  Their jobs?  (Must have adequate
> income
> and political sensitivity, in order to preserve 'our' way of life.)  Too
> many/few
> kids for your liking?  Too old?  Too young?  Too black?  Too white?  Too
> many/few
> penises and/or vaginas in the household?  Too ambiguous regarding same?
>
> We have a neighbor, retired Navy.  His HOA prohibits his erecting a
> flagpole.
> Nice.
>
> Yesterday I watched (Netflix) a recent film adaptation of "The Little
> Prince".
> Very well done.  The neighborhood absolutely _screamed_ HOA to me,
> but I know which neighbor I'd rather have!
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

2019-10-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

I’m not going to get into the discussion over HOAs versus no restrictions, but 
this is a point well taken and one side of the HOA/deed restrictions discussion 
that rarely comes to light.

An HOA doesn’t “tell you how to live (right)”.  Bylaws and covenants outline 
community standards that have to be met or exceeded. Most are pretty simple, 
but I do believe that for many who opt into a deed restricted community do so 
for the reason above - they’ve  made a substantial investment in their home and 
want to do whatever possible to protect the value of their investment. I can 
assure you that property values for comparable homes that I see are noticeably 
higher for the property that’s in a deed restricted community. There’s a reason 
for this.

Whether you live in a deed restricted community or not, you are probably not 
aware that your municipality has ordinances in place that serve much the same 
purpose, for example, the inability to render animals or make soap. I’ve seen 
these very restrictions in place on several properties we’ve owned over the 
years that were not in deed restricted communities. Sure, you’re not going to 
pull the “Granny from Beverly Hillbillies” stuff around your cement pond, but 
who’s to say your neighbor won’t decide to do so?

My point is that HOAs or deed restrictions are not nearly as onerous as most 
people make them out to be, that’s all.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
>> right," want HOAs.
>> 
>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
 I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
>>> Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

I looked at POR-15 tank sealant and thought about 
it but the leak is due to a crack where a dent 
slightly folded the metal. I don't think there are 
any pin holes in the tank, or at least I hope not.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
My father used to fix things like this with solder. Use a soldering iron 
rather than a torch. Much safer without flame.
I wonder also about getting the liquid sealing stuff that you pour into 
the tank and slosh around in case there are more pin holes about to appear.

Didn't we have a thread on that not too long ago?

Randy


On 21/10/2019 8:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called 
just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will 
be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future 
unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.


MG

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

> Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?

But where does it stop?  If you don't want 'their kind' next to you, can/should
you dictate what vehicles they can even own?  (Must own at least one EV,
to prove their progressive attitudes.)  Their jobs?  (Must have adequate income
and political sensitivity, in order to preserve 'our' way of life.)  Too 
many/few
kids for your liking?  Too old?  Too young?  Too black?  Too white?  Too 
many/few
penises and/or vaginas in the household?  Too ambiguous regarding same?

We have a neighbor, retired Navy.  His HOA prohibits his erecting a flagpole.
Nice.

Yesterday I watched (Netflix) a recent film adaptation of "The Little Prince".
Very well done.  The neighborhood absolutely _screamed_ HOA to me,
but I know which neighbor I'd rather have!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

 I agree. HOAs limit both ways and appear to me to only be valuable to the 
curtain twitching bores of the world.
Watch the new Adams Family movie, its got an interesting commentary on 
homogeneity. I certainly prefer the company of the weirdos and oddballs that 
have no place in an HOA.

-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 1:53:24 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 > Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?

But where does it stop?  If you don't want 'their kind' next to you, can/should
you dictate what vehicles they can even own?  (Must own at least one EV,
to prove their progressive attitudes.)  Their jobs?  (Must have adequate income
and political sensitivity, in order to preserve 'our' way of life.)  Too 
many/few
kids for your liking?  Too old?  Too young?  Too black?  Too white?  Too 
many/few
penises and/or vaginas in the household?  Too ambiguous regarding same?

We have a neighbor, retired Navy.  His HOA prohibits his erecting a flagpole.
Nice.

Yesterday I watched (Netflix) a recent film adaptation of "The Little Prince".
Very well done.  The neighborhood absolutely _screamed_ HOA to me,
but I know which neighbor I'd rather have!

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Finally decided to take a chance on this (and it is a diesel)

2019-10-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Up in my near-hood. Looks like a good deal, shouldn’t be too hard to get it 
sorted. 

--FT
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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I was sort of wanting a rollback for moving machinery and cars.
> 
> I went and looked at this 1994 UD with a baby 17 foot steel deck. The 
> rollback works, but the truck sounds good but doesn’t run right. I’m 
> suspecting a fuel restriction. The body is oddly perfect (and no rust) for a 
> 350,000 mile vehicle. It is between Summerville, SC and Monks Corner ( north 
> of Charleston).  I think I wisely made the decision not to try to limp it 
> home 120 miles to Savannah and started shopping for someone to haul it. I’ve 
> been getting quotes all over the map for the 120 mile trip: $850. $625. $500 
> etc. I think the haul should only cost about $300 but what do I know. From 
> the front bumper to aft of the rear wheels it measures only 17 feet and 
> overall it is only 23 feet long, so it will fit on most any rollback.
> 
> Yesterday, I ran a wanted ad on SAV and CHS Craigslist’s and a car hauler guy 
> called me and said he will do it with a 53 foot wedge trailer for, get this, 
> 1.30 per LOADED mile. Sounds like a deal, so we will see how it works out.
> 
> The UD is an orphan truck. Although it is Datsun/ Nissan, I think the last  
> ones were sold here in 2007 or 2009 so parts will likely be a bit sketchy but 
> likely no more difficult than the Peugeot’s that  I drove for years!
> 
> Oh, and I paid $4k for it.
> 
> Wish me luck!  Xx rick
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Finally decided to take a chance on this (and it is a diesel)

 Nice!I've been fighting with Angie's 2005 Golf TDI, it'd randomly slip into 
limp-home mode which doesn't trigger the CEL (check engine light) but results 
in no power past about 1/4 pedal. I replaced the fuel filter which gave some 
improvement, I also found a turbo to intercooler pipe to be slightly loose. It 
was better but still would slow down after about 5 minutes. Finally I added 1oz 
of Biobor which I usually do at this time of year and then 8oz each of Diesel 
Kleen (silver bottle) and regular Power Service (white bottle).
My thinking was that maybe there was some water in the tank or maybe even some 
gelled fuel, it was 28F here yesterday morning and the car hasn't been driven 
much for a month.A quick round of testing shows full recovery, I drove another 
15 minutes with no loss of power so I'm hopeful, need to drive it some more to 
see for sure...

-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 1:39:32 PM EDT, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress 
Cycles Photon via Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Folks,

I was sort of wanting a rollback for moving machinery and cars.

I went and looked at this 1994 UD with a baby 17 foot steel deck. The rollback 
works, but the truck sounds good but doesn’t run right. I’m suspecting a fuel 
restriction. The body is oddly perfect (and no rust) for a 350,000 mile 
vehicle. It is between Summerville, SC and Monks Corner ( north of Charleston). 
 I think I wisely made the decision not to try to limp it home 120 miles to 
Savannah and started shopping for someone to haul it. I’ve been getting quotes 
all over the map for the 120 mile trip: $850. $625. $500 etc. I think the haul 
should only cost about $300 but what do I know. From the front bumper to aft of 
the rear wheels it measures only 17 feet and overall it is only 23 feet long, 
so it will fit on most any rollback.

Yesterday, I ran a wanted ad on SAV and CHS Craigslist’s and a car hauler guy 
called me and said he will do it with a 53 foot wedge trailer for, get this, 
1.30 per LOADED mile. Sounds like a deal, so we will see how it works out.

The UD is an orphan truck. Although it is Datsun/ Nissan, I think the last  
ones were sold here in 2007 or 2009 so parts will likely be a bit sketchy but 
likely no more difficult than the Peugeot’s that  I drove for years!

Oh, and I paid $4k for it.

Wish me luck!  Xx rick



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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank


Now there's an idea.

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
just use the putty patch. At least until Floyd scraps his td to provide 
you a tank.


70s datSUN peekups were notorious for leaking gas tanks.   I patched 
mine with Fruehauf aluminum, sheet metal screws and a generous dosage of 
some sealant in a caulking tube.  (sorry, I forgot what it was.   It 
held for years, probably until the truck was crushed.  they rusted above 
the seam, and mine was rusted out 18-24 inches, and at places inch size 
holes.


MG via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 10:04 AM:

May give that a try or some of that two part putty. Just for a temp fix.



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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this

And I would have no trouble reselling it.  People are DYING every day for
this vehicle.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:36 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That Caddy would be perfect for Andrew. Think of it as a daily commute
> car.. one that would make a statement. It does have "style"...
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > Maybe it requires the new owner to drop off a very old "package" at the
> > cemetery?
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/
> > >
> > > 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
> > > Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details
> > >·
> > >
> > >
> > > $2,000
> > >
> > >   * About This Vehicle
> > >
> > >   *
> > >   o
> > >
> > >   o Driven 300 miles
> > >   *
> > >   o
> > >
> > >   o Automatic transmission
> > >   *
> > >   o
> > >
> > >   o Exterior color: Black
> > >   *
> > >   o
> > >
> > >   o Good condition
> > > 
> > >
> > > Seller's Description
> > >
> > > 1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
> right," want HOAs.
>
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
> >> I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
> > Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

 I've done that on my Cub Cadet tractors. Both of them had tiny pinholes in the 
very bottom of the tank. I used POR15 gas tank sealer though I suspect any of 
the magic tank sealers would work adequately.
I did screw up one of the tanks and put way too much, it pooled in the 
bottom and took months to cure all the way through. Or maybe it never cured all 
the way but the skin is now thick enough that I can't tell the difference, its 
probably 1/8" thick. I tried scraping at it once, that was also a mistake. 
Fortunately what was left leveled out (some) after I left it alone.

-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 12:09:17 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 My father used to fix things like this with solder. Use a soldering iron 
rather than a torch. Much safer without flame.
I wonder also about getting the liquid sealing stuff that you pour into 
the tank and slosh around in case there are more pin holes about to appear.
Didn't we have a thread on that not too long ago?

Randy

On 21/10/2019 8:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called 
> just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will 
> be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future 
> unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.
>
> MG
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

 "As long as we get through this quarter and I get by bonus I don't care."
BTDT.
-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 11:48:32 AM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 At my prior workplace we had an inertial UPS.  It would provide many seconds
worth of power while the big Cat genset came online.

They spent a _lot_ of money on infrastructure here, which they discarded
like used Kleenex once they decided to move all the servers to San Jose,
where everybody knows power and space are _so_ much cheaper than
in Eastern WA.

Shortly after that they closed the office entirely.  Wasn't hard to see coming.

Fools.

-- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this

2019-10-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

That Caddy would be perfect for Andrew. Think of it as a daily commute
car.. one that would make a statement. It does have "style"...

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe it requires the new owner to drop off a very old "package" at the
> cemetery?
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/
> >
> > 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
> > Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
> > <
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details
> >·
> >
> >
> > $2,000
> >
> >   * About This Vehicle
> >
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Driven 300 miles
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Automatic transmission
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Exterior color: Black
> >   *
> >   o
> >
> >   o Good condition
> > 
> >
> > Seller's Description
> >
> > 1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.
> >
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[MBZ] You guys in the Low Lands, Have you heard about this place?

2019-10-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes

Listening to the radio today, I heard of Bitty and Beau's Coffee.

https://www.bittyandbeauscoffee.com

Their original location is in Wilmington, NC, but they have a location
in your neck of the woods:

   159 Church Street
   Charleston, SC 28403 
   (843) 609-0455

   Open Daily 8am - 6pm

Bitty & Beau’s Coffee is more than just a place to grab a cup of coffee –
it’s an experience. While the shop is run by people with intellectual and
developmental disabilities and the customers love the products, they
really come in for the unique customer service experience.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

My father used to fix things like this with solder. Use a soldering iron 
rather than a torch. Much safer without flame.
I wonder also about getting the liquid sealing stuff that you pour into 
the tank and slosh around in case there are more pin holes about to appear.

Didn't we have a thread on that not too long ago?

Randy


On 21/10/2019 8:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called 
just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will 
be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future 
unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.


MG

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

It lacked the NBC(BS) rocket engines to majikly ignite the gas to make 
"news"


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:32 AM:
I had a pinhole in the bottom of the tank on my 75 Grand Prix back in 
college, I stopped by a shop one day and an old mech told me to rub a 
bar of soap on the hole to stop the leak, deal with it later.  I'd do 
that every now and then and it worked for quite awhile.  I finally 
took it to a shop and they took it off and drained it, etc. and 
soldered over the hole, or brazed it or something.  Whatever it was 
worked.


Reminds of an experience when I was about 14 or so.  Was riding my 
bike on a fairly busy street, cars going by.  I hear this godawful 
noise and look over and see this big gas tank skidding along the 
street behind this old station wagon.  Gas sloshing out all over the 
street, I'm thinking that thing is gonna spark and blow the hell out 
of me.  The old wagon coasts to a stop, the gas tank stops with no 
further drama, the woman gets out of the car and says, "I think I lost 
my gas tank."  Uh yeah looks like it.  I felt bad for her but it was 
pretty funny, all things considered.


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live 
right," want HOAs.


Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:

I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.

Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

just use the putty patch. At least until Floyd scraps his td to provide 
you a tank.


70s datSUN peekups were notorious for leaking gas tanks.   I patched 
mine with Fruehauf aluminum, sheet metal screws and a generous dosage of 
some sealant in a caulking tube.  (sorry, I forgot what it was.   It 
held for years, probably until the truck was crushed.  they rusted above 
the seam, and mine was rusted out 18-24 inches, and at places inch size 
holes.


MG via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 10:04 AM:

May give that a try or some of that two part putty. Just for a temp fix.



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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

2019-10-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

JB water weld works great 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had a pinhole in the bottom of the tank on my 75 Grand Prix back in 
> college, I stopped by a shop one day and an old mech told me to rub a bar of 
> soap on the hole to stop the leak, deal with it later.  I'd do that every now 
> and then and it worked for quite awhile.  I finally took it to a shop and 
> they took it off and drained it, etc. and soldered over the hole, or brazed 
> it or something.  Whatever it was worked.
> 
> Reminds of an experience when I was about 14 or so.  Was riding my bike on a 
> fairly busy street, cars going by.  I hear this godawful noise and look over 
> and see this big gas tank skidding along the street behind this old station 
> wagon.  Gas sloshing out all over the street, I'm thinking that thing is 
> gonna spark and blow the hell out of me.  The old wagon coasts to a stop, the 
> gas tank stops with no further drama, the woman gets out of the car and says, 
> "I think I lost my gas tank."  Uh yeah looks like it.  I felt bad for her but 
> it was pretty funny, all things considered.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/21/19 9:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>> Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called just 
>> now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will be 
>> draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future unless I can 
>> find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

Yeah like all that power from E WA that gets sent to CA must be cheaper, 
somehow...


I recall my former colleagues at Enron had some role in that power too...

--FT

On 10/21/19 11:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

At my prior workplace we had an inertial UPS.  It would provide many seconds
worth of power while the big Cat genset came online.

They spent a _lot_ of money on infrastructure here, which they discarded
like used Kleenex once they decided to move all the servers to San Jose,
where everybody knows power and space are _so_ much cheaper than
in Eastern WA.

Shortly after that they closed the office entirely.  Wasn't hard to see coming.

Fools.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

At my prior workplace we had an inertial UPS.  It would provide many seconds
worth of power while the big Cat genset came online.

They spent a _lot_ of money on infrastructure here, which they discarded
like used Kleenex once they decided to move all the servers to San Jose,
where everybody knows power and space are _so_ much cheaper than
in Eastern WA.

Shortly after that they closed the office entirely.  Wasn't hard to see coming.

Fools.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Braun LED Work Light

2019-10-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Those are awesome. I recently bought a similar one from Eastwood. First
experience with a cordless/magnetic LED work light and I was really
happy with it. Best work light I have ever owned.

https://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-cob-led-rechargeable-work-light-57671.html

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Our favorite LED work light is on sale at HF this weekend:
>
> https://www.harborfreight.com/390-Lumen-Magnetic-Slim-Bar-Folding-LED-Work-Light-63958.html
>
> I love mine!
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

 I went to a facility once that had one of those, they called it an "inertial 
UPS". Had a huge generator attached that could run the whole place for like 2 
minutes. It'd been in place since the '60s or so. Apparently much cheaper to 
maintain than batteries but very expensive to build new.
-Curt

On Monday, October 21, 2019, 10:06:37 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That's a neat story.

Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
online.

Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
"battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Quite surprising.
>
>  TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
> oldPublished:
> Monday, October 21, 2019
>
> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
> <
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
> >
>  on the East River in Queens.
>
> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
> central Alaska.
>
> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
> blackouts last year alone.
>
> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
> Electric Association, which owns the battery.
>
> The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
> comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
> squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
> when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
> incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
> called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.
>
> Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
> Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
> stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
> powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
> global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
> Australia have come online.
>
> Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it,
> too.
>
> In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
> Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
> planning
> <
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/the-race-to-build-the-world-s-largest-solar-storage-plant-is-on
> >
>  a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
> Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
> with the first coming online in 2021.
>
> But for now, the BESS remains king.
>
> For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
>  with a battery in
> California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
> megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
> 46 megawatts.
>
> Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million system
> kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
> Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
> of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong, chairman
> of Golden Valley's board of directors.
>
> "We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
> Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
> and '80s, had a generator in their garage."
>
> As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
> projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
> batteries now being installed provide a variety of services: helping
> maintain grid stability, storing excess electricity from wind and solar and
> in some cases replacing small power plants. But in BESS's day, large
> batteries often served relatively remote communities that needed a backup
> power source in a pinch, Goldie-Scot said.
>
> Like any aging system, BESS needs work. Hal

Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

To store excess windpower when not in use direct the spinning turbines to
skim milk into 100 percent free renewable energy BUTTER.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:41 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> None of this technology is outdated and much of it is still in use.
>
> Nickel-cadmium battery banks are still in use in the communications and
> standby power industries.
>
> Motor generators, also known as “MG sets” are still in service for
> mainframe computers. In fact, IBM was one of the largest users of MG sets
> for decades. They consisted of a large electric motor, a flywheel, and a
> generator all coupled together. The motor and generator faced each other
> with the flywheel on the connecting shaft in between. The main reason these
> have been in use for such a long time is that they also provided power
> conversion, that is, the generator was a 400 Hz generator, so the unit as a
> whole not only provided standby power (known as “ride through”) for the few
> seconds it took to bring a generator or UPS online, but it also provided
> frequency conversion for the computer power supplies.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Back ages ago I did an analysis of a Superconducting Magnetic Energy
> Storage System (SMESS).  It was an interesting concept that relied on a
> supercooled magnetic torus into which electrons were injected and they kept
> spinning around until some were extracted and used again.  It probably
> would have worked sorta OK until the supercooling went away and then all
> those electrons wanted to go somewhere else... rapidly.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 10/21/19 10:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> That's a neat story.
> >>
> >> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but
> I've
> >> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook
> that
> >> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
> >> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power
> drops,
> >> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
> >> online.
> >>
> >> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
> >> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Quite surprising.
> >>>
> >>>   TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
> >>> oldPublished:
> >>> Monday, October 21, 2019
> >>>
> >>> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
> >>> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
> >>> <
> >>>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
> >>>  on the East River in Queens.
> >>>
> >>> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at
> work
> >>> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a
> warehouse in
> >>> central Alaska.
> >>>
> >>> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely
> gone
> >>> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
> >>> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
> >>> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
> >>> blackouts last year alone.
> >>>
> >>> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go
> away,"
> >>> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

Try contacting Tom  at the Classic Center - ask for an MBCA discount
thomas.han...@mbusa.com

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:33 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had a pinhole in the bottom of the tank on my 75 Grand Prix back in
> college, I stopped by a shop one day and an old mech told me to rub a
> bar of soap on the hole to stop the leak, deal with it later.  I'd do
> that every now and then and it worked for quite awhile.  I finally took
> it to a shop and they took it off and drained it, etc. and soldered over
> the hole, or brazed it or something.  Whatever it was worked.
>
> Reminds of an experience when I was about 14 or so.  Was riding my bike
> on a fairly busy street, cars going by.  I hear this godawful noise and
> look over and see this big gas tank skidding along the street behind
> this old station wagon.  Gas sloshing out all over the street, I'm
> thinking that thing is gonna spark and blow the hell out of me.  The old
> wagon coasts to a stop, the gas tank stops with no further drama, the
> woman gets out of the car and says, "I think I lost my gas tank."  Uh
> yeah looks like it.  I felt bad for her but it was pretty funny, all
> things considered.
>
> --FT
>
> On 10/21/19 9:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> > Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called
> > just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will
> > be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future
> > unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.
> >
> > MG
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

May give that a try or some of that two part 
putty. Just for a temp fix.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I had a pinhole in the bottom of the tank on my 75 Grand Prix back in 
college, I stopped by a shop one day and an old mech told me to rub a 
bar of soap on the hole to stop the leak, deal with it later.  I'd do 
that every now and then and it worked for quite awhile.  I finally took 
it to a shop and they took it off and drained it, etc. and soldered over 
the hole, or brazed it or something.  Whatever it was worked.


Reminds of an experience when I was about 14 or so.  Was riding my bike 
on a fairly busy street, cars going by.  I hear this godawful noise and 
look over and see this big gas tank skidding along the street behind 
this old station wagon.  Gas sloshing out all over the street, I'm 
thinking that thing is gonna spark and blow the hell out of me.  The old 
wagon coasts to a stop, the gas tank stops with no further drama, the 
woman gets out of the car and says, "I think I lost my gas tank."  Uh 
yeah looks like it.  I felt bad for her but it was pretty funny, all 
things considered.


--FT

On 10/21/19 9:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called 
just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will 
be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future 
unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.


MG

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this

Maybe it requires the new owner to drop off a very old "package" at the
cemetery?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/
>
> 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
> Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2395017320816865/?ref=product_details>·
>
>
> $2,000
>
>   * About This Vehicle
>
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Driven 300 miles
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Automatic transmission
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Exterior color: Black
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Good condition
> 
>
> Seller's Description
>
> 1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

2019-10-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

None of this technology is outdated and much of it is still in use.

Nickel-cadmium battery banks are still in use in the communications and standby 
power industries. 

Motor generators, also known as “MG sets” are still in service for mainframe 
computers. In fact, IBM was one of the largest users of MG sets for decades. 
They consisted of a large electric motor, a flywheel, and a generator all 
coupled together. The motor and generator faced each other with the flywheel on 
the connecting shaft in between. The main reason these have been in use for 
such a long time is that they also provided power conversion, that is, the 
generator was a 400 Hz generator, so the unit as a whole not only provided 
standby power (known as “ride through”) for the few seconds it took to bring a 
generator or UPS online, but it also provided frequency conversion for the 
computer power supplies.

-D 

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back ages ago I did an analysis of a Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage 
> System (SMESS).  It was an interesting concept that relied on a supercooled 
> magnetic torus into which electrons were injected and they kept spinning 
> around until some were extracted and used again.  It probably would have 
> worked sorta OK until the supercooling went away and then all those electrons 
> wanted to go somewhere else... rapidly.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/21/19 10:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> That's a neat story.
>> 
>> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
>> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
>> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
>> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
>> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
>> online.
>> 
>> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
>> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Quite surprising.
>>> 
>>>   TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
>>> oldPublished:
>>> Monday, October 21, 2019
>>> 
>>> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
>>> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
>>> <
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
>>>  on the East River in Queens.
>>> 
>>> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
>>> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
>>> central Alaska.
>>> 
>>> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
>>> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
>>> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
>>> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
>>> blackouts last year alone.
>>> 
>>> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
>>> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

I had a pinhole in the bottom of the tank on my 75 Grand Prix back in 
college, I stopped by a shop one day and an old mech told me to rub a 
bar of soap on the hole to stop the leak, deal with it later.  I'd do 
that every now and then and it worked for quite awhile.  I finally took 
it to a shop and they took it off and drained it, etc. and soldered over 
the hole, or brazed it or something.  Whatever it was worked.


Reminds of an experience when I was about 14 or so.  Was riding my bike 
on a fairly busy street, cars going by.  I hear this godawful noise and 
look over and see this big gas tank skidding along the street behind 
this old station wagon.  Gas sloshing out all over the street, I'm 
thinking that thing is gonna spark and blow the hell out of me.  The old 
wagon coasts to a stop, the gas tank stops with no further drama, the 
woman gets out of the car and says, "I think I lost my gas tank."  Uh 
yeah looks like it.  I felt bad for her but it was pretty funny, all 
things considered.


--FT

On 10/21/19 9:58 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD yesterday. Called 
just now and MB wants over a thousand for a new one. Looks like I will 
be draining it and brazing the hole in the not too distant future 
unless I can find a good one pretty soon in a local U-pull.


MG

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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

> I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.

Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank

> unless I can find a good [tank] pretty soon in a local U-pull.

Here the fuel tanks are all destroyed, via drilling them full of holes.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

Back ages ago I did an analysis of a Superconducting Magnetic Energy
Storage System (SMESS). It was an interesting concept that relied on a
supercooled magnetic torus into which electrons were injected and they
kept spinning around until some were extracted and used again. It
probably would have worked sorta OK until the supercooling went away and
then all those electrons wanted to go somewhere else... rapidly.

--FT

On 10/21/19 10:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

That's a neat story.

Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device. Hook that
up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
online.

Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
"battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Quite surprising.

TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
oldPublished:
Monday, October 21, 2019

New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
<
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
on the East River in Queens.

But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
central Alaska.

The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
blackouts last year alone.

"Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
Electric Association, which owns the battery.

The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.

Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
Australia have come online.

Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it,
too.

In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
planning
<
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/the-race-to-build-the-world-s-largest-solar-storage-plant-is-on
a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
with the first coming online in 2021.

But for now, the BESS remains king.

For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
with a battery in
California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
46 megawatts.

Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million system
kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong, chairman
of Golden Valley's board of directors.

"We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
and '80s, had a generator in their garage."

As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
batteries now being installed provide a variety of services: helping
maintain grid stability, storing excess electricity from wind and solar and
in some cases replacing small power plants. But in BESS's day, large
batteries often served relatively remote communities that needed a backup
power source in a pinch, Goldie-Scot said.

Like any aging system, BESS needs work. Half its cells have been replaced,
and the control sy

Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

2019-10-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

That's a neat story.

Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
online.

Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
"battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Quite surprising.
>
>   TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
> oldPublished:
> Monday, October 21, 2019
>
> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
> <
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
> >
>  on the East River in Queens.
>
> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
> central Alaska.
>
> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
> blackouts last year alone.
>
> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
> Electric Association, which owns the battery.
>
> The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
> comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
> squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
> when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
> incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
> called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.
>
> Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
> Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
> stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
> powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
> global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
> Australia have come online.
>
> Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it,
> too.
>
> In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
> Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
> planning
> <
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/the-race-to-build-the-world-s-largest-solar-storage-plant-is-on
> >
>  a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
> Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
> with the first coming online in 2021.
>
> But for now, the BESS remains king.
>
> For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
>  with a battery in
> California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
> megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
> 46 megawatts.
>
> Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million system
> kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
> Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
> of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong, chairman
> of Golden Valley's board of directors.
>
> "We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
> Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
> and '80s, had a generator in their garage."
>
> As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
> projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
> batteries now being installed provide a variety of services: helping
> maintain grid stability, storing excess electricity from wind and solar and
> in some cases replacing small power plants. But in BESS's day, large
> batteries often served relatively remote communities that needed a backup
> power source in a pinch, Goldie-Scot said.
>
> Like any aging system, BESS needs work. Half its cells have been replaced,
> and the control system now needs an upgrade or replacement. Golden Valley,
> however, has no plans to ditch it.
>
> "Not unlike your other computer-based things, after a certain amount of
> time, the chips aren't made anymore," Bishop said. *— David R. Baker,
> Bloomberg*
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[MBZ] Fuel tank

Found a small leak in my fuel tank on the 83 300TD 
yesterday. Called just now and MB wants over a 
thousand for a new one. Looks like I will be 
draining it and brazing the hole in the not too 
distant future unless I can find a good one pretty 
soon in a local U-pull.


MG

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[MBZ] OT OK I'm gonna do this


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1995 Cadillac Fleetwood
Sumter, SC· 23 hours ago 
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$2,000

 * About This Vehicle

 *
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 o Driven 300 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Black
 *
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 o Good condition
   

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1995 Cadillac Hearse. Selling as is. Title in hand.

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Re: [MBZ] This is the car that was for sale from somebody else for $700 a while back.

How do you even give away a car w/o a radiator, let alone sell it for $2k?

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> Shows up for me.
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> This guy's been drinking from the BaT cup if he thinks he's going to get
> $2200 for that 190D.
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> Max Dillon
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[MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

Quite surprising.

  TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
oldPublished:
Monday, October 21, 2019

New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system

 on the East River in Queens.

But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
central Alaska.

The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
blackouts last year alone.

"Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley
Electric Association, which owns the battery.

The push to install bigger and bigger batteries on U.S. electric grids
comes as the price of lithium-ion systems has plummeted and states try to
squeeze out fossil fuels. By soaking up excess power and dispatching it
when demand spikes, batteries can help keep grids stable and smoothly
incorporate ebbs and flows of wind and solar. They can also displace so
called peaker natural-gas plants that kick in only when demand surges.

Dubbed the BESS , for Battery Energy
Storage System, the array in Alaska uses 13,760 nickel-cadmium cells,
stacked in rows. Guinness World Records certified it as the world's most
powerful battery when it was commissioned in 2003. It's since lost its
global crown as systems including Tesla Inc.'s 100-megawatt battery in
Australia have come online.

Now several installations planned in the U.S. are poised to eclipse it, too.

In California, Tesla is building a 182.5-megawatt installation for PG&E
Corp. In Florida, NextEra Energy Inc.'s Florida Power & Light utility is
planning

 a 409-megawatt battery pack. Meanwhile, New York's battery at the
Ravenswood power plant in Long Island City will be built in three phases,
with the first coming online in 2021.

But for now, the BESS remains king.

For the record, the U.S. Energy Department considers BESS to be tied
 with a battery in
California as the country's largest, listing the capacity of both at 40
megawatts. Golden Valley, however, says its system in Alaska weighs in at
46 megawatts.

Designed by ABB Ltd. with cells from Saft Groupe SA, the $35 million system
kicks in whenever there's an interruption in electricity supply. The
Alaskan interior lacks the densely woven web of power lines found in much
of the country, and blackouts used to be common, said Tom DeLong, chairman
of Golden Valley's board of directors.

"We were islanded — we had basically one big extension cord down to
Anchorage," he said. "Everyone in Fairbanks, when I was here in the '70s
and '80s, had a generator in their garage."

As such, the BESS represents an earlier generation of energy-storage
projects, BloombergNEF analyst Logan Goldie-Scot said. The large-scale
batteries now being installed provide a variety of services: helping
maintain grid stability, storing excess electricity from wind and solar and
in some cases replacing small power plants. But in BESS's day, large
batteries often served relatively remote communities that needed a backup
power source in a pinch, Goldie-Scot said.

Like any aging system, BESS needs work. Half its cells have been replaced,
and the control system now needs an upgrade or replacement. Golden Valley,
however, has no plans to ditch it.

"Not unlike your other computer-based things, after a certain amount of
time, the chips aren't made anymore," Bishop said. *— David R. Baker,
Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] Saturday funny

A greater tragedy would have been if the football team had LOST.

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> > Did y'all see this?  Flyin Okies!
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right


Does it also work for line cutting, for instance at the grocery check out?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mon Oct 21 05:07:10 EDT 2019 Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
 
> I did. It was much the same as the others that were offered in the same price 
> range. However, it did not smell of Chinesium when I got it, so that was a 
> good thing.
> 
> And it’s a floor polish and desert topping, too!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 3:41 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Dan wrote:
>>> 
>> You use a seat cutting tool like this:
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Whaa?
>> 
>> Did you read the description?
>> 
>> 
>> FUNCTION - One end is a seatbelt cutter for cutting seatbelt, and
>>  the other end is the window breaker tool with two hardened
>>  sharp and heavy carbon steel points,and this car hammer is
>>  very sharp and easy to break out the window for life-saving
>> 
>> FEATURES - High performance and durable. Double-tipped hammers
>>  which are made of high grade carbon steel combined with
>>  engineering plastics 
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Re: [MBZ] This is the car that was for sale from somebody else for $700 a while back.



Shows up for me.
 
This guy's been drinking from the BaT cup if he thinks he's going to get $2200 
for that 190D.

Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

I did. It was much the same as the others that were offered in the same price 
range. However, it did not smell of Chinesium when I got it, so that was a good 
thing.

And it’s a floor polish and desert topping, too!

-D


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 3:41 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> You use a seat cutting tool like this:
> 
>> 
> 
> Whaa?
> 
> Did you read the description?
> 
> 
> FUNCTION - One end is a seatbelt cutter for cutting seatbelt, and
>the other end is the window breaker tool with two hardened
>sharp and heavy carbon steel points,and this car hammer is
>very sharp and easy to break out the window for life-saving
> 
> FEATURES - High performance and durable. Double-tipped hammers
>which are made of high grade carbon steel combined with
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Re: [MBZ] buying parts is starting to suck

He’s dead, I tell you. Not only that, parts from him were rarely a deal. That 
was why I quit buying from him. Between the minor difference in price from 
other, more reliable and established firms and having to listen to his 30 
minute rants when I called, it wasn’t worth it.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Is Jabba still around?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Buying parts started to suck when Q quit.   It STILL sucks.
>> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/20/19 8:50 PM:
>>> So now that importec is out of business, I am stuck with either FCP Euro or 
>>> Autohauz AZ.  FCP seems to not carry items I am looking for.  Or only 
>>> carries genuine MB parts that cost a lot more than a cheaper alternative 
>>> for shift bushings for example. Autohaus carries the cheaper versions of 
>>> some parts that are not critical such as antenna seal, but other items are 
>>> a lot more expensive.
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