Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes you can look it up on line-have to do reverse figure 8's with car to
get the new fluid to go into every nook and cranny. Bizarre.
https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class-x204/543256-driving-reverse-figure-8-per-tech-bulletin.html

Some 211's had recall on this but mine didn't but these took away the low
speed steering shudder.  This was done by a dealer I have used for years.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:42:45 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Jury is out on my 211- I have had it 14 months. 159K. Had issue with 4
> > matic transfer case but dealer fixed it for fluid change and doing
> > figure 8's.
>
> Figure 8s?
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:42:45 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Jury is out on my 211- I have had it 14 months. 159K. Had issue with 4
> matic transfer case but dealer fixed it for fluid change and doing
> figure 8's.

Figure 8s?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have a photo we took at the Q but Jaime can show you I think

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is there a screen that shows his name?  That would be _way_ cool!
>
> I've long lived (designed and built and executed) my projects such that I'm
> proud to put my signature on it.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jaime
> > and I am proud of my 2005 E320 that has your name in the Command system.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R&D
> > and
> > > quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
> > > quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with
> > anyone,
> > > but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
> > > product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
> > > people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of
> > guys
> > > I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.
> > >
> > > I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe
> > its
> > > a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly
> for
> > > the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model
> without
> > > too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
> > > 240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of
> > W220
> > > with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably
> would
> > > have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
> > > way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a
> > car
> > > with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a
> long
> > > time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300
> (both
> > > with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great
> > used
> > > cars in a few years.
> > >
> > > But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.
> > Quality
> > > isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the
> > software
> > > to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with
> the
> > > times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars
> is
> > > the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
> > > safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were
> 30
> > > years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal
> with
> > > them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected
> cars
> > > instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the
> > mindset
> > > of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats
> > what I
> > > see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding
> > how
> > > things have changed.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is there a screen that shows his name?  That would be _way_ cool!

I've long lived (designed and built and executed) my projects such that I'm
proud to put my signature on it.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jaime
> and I am proud of my 2005 E320 that has your name in the Command system.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R&D
> and
> > quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
> > quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with
> anyone,
> > but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
> > product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
> > people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of
> guys
> > I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.
> >
> > I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe
> its
> > a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
> > the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
> > too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
> > 240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of
> W220
> > with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
> > have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
> > way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a
> car
> > with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
> > time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
> > with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great
> used
> > cars in a few years.
> >
> > But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.
> Quality
> > isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the
> software
> > to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
> > times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
> > the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
> > safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
> > years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
> > them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
> > instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the
> mindset
> > of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats
> what I
> > see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding
> how
> > things have changed.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Thats Dwight... I'm proud too :-)

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jaime
> and I am proud of my 2005 E320 that has your name in the Command system.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R&D
> and
> > quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
> > quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with
> anyone,
> > but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
> > product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
> > people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of
> guys
> > I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.
> >
> > I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe
> its
> > a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
> > the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
> > too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
> > 240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of
> W220
> > with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
> > have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
> > way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a
> car
> > with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
> > time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
> > with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great
> used
> > cars in a few years.
> >
> > But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.
> Quality
> > isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the
> software
> > to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
> > times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
> > the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
> > safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
> > years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
> > them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
> > instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the
> mindset
> > of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats
> what I
> > see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding
> how
> > things have changed.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver,
> > > let alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up,
> > that
> > > is all for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease,
> and
> > > the CPO purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash,
> > > that they will either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other
> > > aspirational CPO
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Modern car design goals:
> > > >
> > > > Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> > > > Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts
> > the
> > > lease.
> > > >
> > > > Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really
> > something
> > > they care about any more.
> > > > Mitch.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
> > > Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by
> then.
> > > >> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
> > > move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about
> the
> > > long term.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Jaime
and I am proud of my 2005 E320 that has your name in the Command system.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R&D and
> quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
> quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with anyone,
> but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
> product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
> people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of guys
> I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.
>
> I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe its
> a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
> the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
> too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
> 240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of W220
> with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
> have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
> way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a car
> with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
> time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
> with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great used
> cars in a few years.
>
> But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.  Quality
> isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the software
> to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
> times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
> the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
> safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
> years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
> them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
> instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the mindset
> of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats what I
> see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding how
> things have changed.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver,
> > let alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up,
> that
> > is all for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and
> > the CPO purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash,
> > that they will either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other
> > aspirational CPO
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Modern car design goals:
> > >
> > > Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> > > Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts
> the
> > lease.
> > >
> > > Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really
> something
> > they care about any more.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
> > Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> > >> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
> > move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
> > long term.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Jaime‎ sez:

(a bunch of‎ really on point stuff...)

Thank you for your enlightened commentary.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R&D and
quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with anyone,
but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of guys
I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.

I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe its
a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of W220
with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a car
with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great used
cars in a few years.

But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.  Quality
isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the software
to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the mindset
of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats what I
see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding how
things have changed.

Jaime


On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver,
> let alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up, that
> is all for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and
> the CPO purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash,
> that they will either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other
> aspirational CPO
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Modern car design goals:
> >
> > Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> > Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the
> lease.
> >
> > Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something
> they care about any more.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
> >> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
> Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> >> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
> move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
> long term.
> >
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver, let 
alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up, that is all 
for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and the CPO 
purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash, that they will 
either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other aspirational CPO


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Modern car design goals:
> 
> Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the 
> lease. 
> 
> Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something they 
> care about any more. 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
>> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
>> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
>> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move 
>> on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long 
>> term.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The new benz is made for lease, not purchase.  Maybe there is enough quality 
left for it to CPO, so the two or three year old S class has a few years left 
before it gets too expensive to fix.  As a lease, the multiple flaws will be 
covered by warrantee work.A decade in, the cars turn to crap.  

I am beginning to see w211 and other contemporary models at PnP.



clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2018-01-21  8:55 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner  Subject: Re: 
> [MBZ] Major disappointment
> Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
> I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
> and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
> tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference o not 
> worry
> in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
> car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
> obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
> with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
> be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
> mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
> in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
> pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
> importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.
> 
> But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
>> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>> 
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

But, Larry, the newer examples of DBAG on the road are nothing like the 30 year 
old cars.  They are much more like a Frod or Chebby, or even a korean car.

I trolled the PnP yards for years and played with all manner of carcass while 
there.  I could see how the korean car quality increased, while the Mercedes 
became more disposable.  The plastics were lower quality and more pervasive, 
while the build quality was creeping toward Dodge and Jeep standards.  I also 
found parts from china being used, where I am pretty sure the old stuff was 
european.

The Benz reputation is being carried not by the recent models, but by the cars 
Dan, and the rest of us are keeping on the road.  It used to be that finding a 
10 year old benz in the yard was super rare, and the 20 year old cars were just 
starting to show.  Now the standard is for a 10 year old car making its way to 
the knackers instead of being kept on a car lot, hoping to find a buyer.  



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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  I 
> had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB and was 
> not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he tested them. 
>  What I could not get him to understand was the difference in quality didn't 
> come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a car together that will 
> feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became obvious after 10 or more years 
> with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but with maintenance needed to keep it 
> running properly that quality had to be built in at the beginning.  The car 
> magazines all make a similar mistake although they do like to talk about the 
> MBs craftsmanship.  But in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  
> If they bought pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand 
> the importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.
> 
> But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)
> 
> LarryT

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I bought my '97 4WD crew cab F250HD 7.3 P/S in '06 and paid about 10-11K for 
it. It had 104K mi. on it at the time. It will pull or carry pretty much 
anything I need, gets 15-17 mpg unless towing something heavy like my 6 ton 5th 
wheel. Why anyone would pay 50-60K for fru-fru is beyond me!

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 11:21 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"   are 
what I classify as wussywagons.   They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy the wife 
while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely trimmed to sell 
to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, MB included are 
targeted at the female market.  There may be some argument about the king 
ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, leather steering wheel cover, heated 
seats, etc, it definitely has options that fall into the wussy category.  Each 
of these would be competing with a MB/nissan pickup.

I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.

When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you honestly 
tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?   Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of the 3 
that justifies being worth twice as much?

The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from cars and 
into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just capitalizing on the 
weaknesses of people and what their gummit has taxed/regulated them into.

> Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> January 19, 
> 2018 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
>
>
> I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
> since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
> people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
> need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
>
> I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
> weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
> justify it but I cannot.
>
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes Wilton,
I loved my 124-I had it for 11 years and it had 270k miles with  original
engine & tranny. A friend is still driving it.
Jury is out on my 211- I have had it 14 months. 159K. Had issue with 4
matic transfer case but dealer fixed it for fluid change and doing figure
8's.

Dwight Giles
Wickford RI

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:44 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Overall, I liked my 124 (totaled at 29+ years & 148kmi) better than my 211
> (11 years & 82kmi).
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment
>
>
> Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not
>> last as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half
>> or a 3rd or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and
>> 140s were at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes
>> sense. They seem cheaper to buy.
>>
>> The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I
>> like driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I
>> like them better even though the 210 has some nice modern features.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of
>>> their legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
>>>> Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
>>>> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
>>>> move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
>>>> long term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm not sure I'd go bragging about MB quality anymore, especially not the stuff 
from the early 2000s, the admitted "low quality years".

Pretty much any hoopty made today will go 10 years, 200,000 miles. Around here 
the body will pretty well be done in the 12-15 year range but the 
engine/transmission will probably be fine if any amount of maintenance has been 
kept up. 200,000 miles is not the challenge it once was.

I don't own anything will less than 100,000 miles right now.

-Curt






On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 9:55:07 AM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference 
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.

But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Overall, I liked my 124 (totaled at 29+ years & 148kmi) better than my 211 
(11 years & 82kmi).


W

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment


Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not 
last as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half 
or a 3rd or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 
and 140s were at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes 
sense. They seem cheaper to buy.


The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I 
like driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I 
like them better even though the 210 has some nice modern features.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:


That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of 
their legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?


-D


On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. 
Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They 
move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the 
long term.



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think the W210 is a nice transitional model from the earlier, more solid 
W124/W126/W140 chassis’ cars. It’s not as solid like a W124 is, for sure, but 
the more modern amenities it has and the reliability certainly are better than 
the W124.  That’s not to say the W124 models weren’t reliable - they are, I 
think.

-D


> On Jan 21, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not last 
> as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half or a 3rd 
> or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and 140s were 
> at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes sense. They seem 
> cheaper to buy. 
> 
> The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I like 
> driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I like them 
> better even though the 210 has some nice modern features. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not last as 
long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half or a 3rd or 
what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and 140s were at 
the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes sense. They seem 
cheaper to buy. 

The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I like 
driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I like them 
better even though the 210 has some nice modern features. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of their 
> legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
>> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
>> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move 
>> on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long 
>> term.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Modern car design goals:

Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the lease. 

Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something they 
care about any more. 
Mitch.


> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of their 
legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?

-D

  
> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. I 
suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-21  8:55 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner  Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] Major disappointment
Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference o not 
worry
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.

But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference 
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.


But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, I 
told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[OK Don via Mercedes]

When we bought our F150XL (~$28k with electric windows, IIRC) the sales
manager called the fancy trucks "pretty boy trucks". I'd told him I wanted
a working truck to haul stuff, and didn't care what it looked like. We
scratched the bed the second day we owned loading/unloading a 60 gal air
compressor. Didn't bother me a bit.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $27k XL is a 2wd, its dammed hard to get a 4wd under $30k.
> To be fair heated seats are pretty terrific when you've been out hunting
> and are frozen pretty much to the bone. Just before the end of the year I
> went hunting with a big group, it was in the single digits pretty much the
> whole time, from about -6F to about 8F and the heated seats get warm a lot
> faster than the rest of the cab...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2018, 2:21:18 AM EST, Curley McLain via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such
> as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"  are
> what I classify as wussywagons.  They are not meant for work, but to
> show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy
> the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely
> trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars,
> MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some
> argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000,
> leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has
> options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be
> competing with a MB/nissan pickup.
>
> I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer
> products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.
>
> When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you
> honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much
> money?  Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as
> long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of
> the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?
>
> The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from
> cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just
> capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has
> taxed/regulated them into.
>
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM
> >
> >
> > What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> > I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
> >
> >
> > I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing
> > since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul
> > people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if
> > need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
> >
> > I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra
> > weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could
> > justify it but I cannot.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

$27k XL is a 2wd, its dammed hard to get a 4wd under $30k.
To be fair heated seats are pretty terrific when you've been out hunting and 
are frozen pretty much to the bone. Just before the end of the year I went 
hunting with a big group, it was in the single digits pretty much the whole 
time, from about -6F to about 8F and the heated seats get warm a lot faster 
than the rest of the cab...
-Curt
 

On Saturday, January 20, 2018, 2:21:18 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"  are 
what I classify as wussywagons.  They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy 
the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely 
trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, 
MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some 
argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, 
leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has 
options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be 
competing with a MB/nissan pickup.

I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.

When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you 
honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?  Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of 
the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?

The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from 
cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just 
capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has 
taxed/regulated them into.

> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
>
>
> I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
> since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
> people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
> need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
>
> I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
> weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
> justify it but I cannot.
>
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

I agree. I generally buy used. This red truck is only the 3rd new one ever and 
the previous one was 1977. Sure has been nice to have a vehicle that does not 
need anything. I am getting old and not nearly so anxious to work on them as I 
once was, especially in winter when most problems arise.


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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-20  9:35 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment 
i sure like sub-10k vehicles, and I like 1500 to 2500 cars even better!

Spending near 100K on a cheep is NUTS!

of course few fools buy them, the lease them
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i sure like sub-10k vehicles, and I like 1500 to 2500 cars even better!

Spending near 100K on a cheep is NUTS!

of course few fools buy them, the lease them

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k

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> On Jan 20, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> my point exactly!
> 
> My standard question is "How much Mercedes can I buy for that money?"   
> except for as simple a van I can find, the question has always led to no sale 
> or buying another old MB.   The new MBs have destroyed the resale value and 
> reliability, and the crypsler people destroyed parts availability and cost,, 
> so the question is not as valid as it used to be.
> 
> But paying 50-60k (or  more) for a peekup is crazy.
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> January 20, 2018 at 8:22 AM
>> I’m just stunned at the prices on these things, even a base model F150. It’s 
>> crazy.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

my point exactly!

My standard question is "How much Mercedes can I buy for that money?"   
except for as simple a van I can find, the question has always led to no 
sale or buying another old MB.   The new MBs have destroyed the resale 
value and reliability, and the crypsler people destroyed parts 
availability and cost,, so the question is not as valid as it used to be.


But paying 50-60k (or  more) for a peekup is crazy.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 8:22 AM
I’m just stunned at the prices on these things, even a base model 
F150. It’s crazy.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m just stunned at the prices on these things, even a base model F150.  It’s 
crazy.

-D


> On Jan 20, 2018, at 9:18 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would guess that most of the fancy trucks are sold to old men with deep 
> pockets. They buy a loaded pickup instead of a Cadillac or Lincoln, 
> especially now when they no longer make large cars. The fancy truck has 
> become a status symbol for them.
> My previous truck was a Lariat so upscale of my current XTR. I miss some 
> things like the leather bucket seats and automatic climate control but the 
> newer one has things like the backup camera and the beeper that warn of 
> things behind it which the 02 did not.
> I would have cheerfully had a fancier truck but it would have cost a lot more 
> and I did not need more bells and whistles.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

I would guess that most of the fancy trucks are sold to old men with deep 
pockets. They buy a loaded pickup instead of a Cadillac or Lincoln, especially 
now when they no longer make large cars. The fancy truck has become a status 
symbol for them.
My previous truck was a Lariat so upscale of my current XTR. I miss some things 
like the leather bucket seats and automatic climate control but the newer one 
has things like the backup camera and the beeper that warn of things behind it 
which the 02 did not.
I would have cheerfully had a fancier truck but it would have cost a lot more 
and I did not need more bells and whistles.


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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-20  1:21 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment 
The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"   are 
what I classify as wussywagons.   They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy 
the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely 
trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, 
MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some 
argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, 
leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has 
options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be 
competing with a MB/nissan pickup.

I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.

When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you 
honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?   Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of 
the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?

The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from 
cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just 
capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has 
taxed/regulated them into.

> Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
>
>
> I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
> since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
> people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
> need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
>
> I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
> weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
> justify it but I cannot.
>
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"   are 
what I classify as wussywagons.   They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy 
the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely 
trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, 
MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some 
argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, 
leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has 
options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be 
competing with a MB/nissan pickup.


I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.


When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you 
honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?   Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of 
the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?


The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from 
cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just 
capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has 
taxed/regulated them into.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Have not needed to move any of those [barriers] lately,


It moves cars, too:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg

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[MG via Mercedes]

Only in your dreams.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

RB

On 19/01/2018 3:59 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that 
sell for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/01/2018 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

I still think my wussy pickup truck is better suited to travel than the
more macho vehicles out there.

But did your pickup truck come with a heavy duty crane that can pick up 
concrete Jersey Barriers?
JimC's Mog did.
Mitch.

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Have not needed to move any of those lately, and probably won't unless I 
go into the business of liberating them in the wee dark hours of the night.


RB

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> I still think my wussy pickup truck it better suited to travel than the 
> more macho vehicles out there.

But did your pickup truck come with a heavy duty crane that can pick up 
concrete Jersey Barriers?
JimC's Mog did. 
Mitch.

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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/01/2018 4:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:45:33 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

Yes, a Unimog will not go 80 MPH. 50 is about tops.


Craig

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Well, there you go. I wouldn't want to be in it if it was going 80 mph.
It is 175 miles from here to the lake and we do it often in the summer. 
I still think my wussy pickup truck it better suited to travel than the 
more macho vehicles out there.


RB

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:45:33 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

Yes, a Unimog will not go 80 MPH. 50 is about tops.


Craig

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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

RB

On 19/01/2018 3:59 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that 
sell for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


RB

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[MG via Mercedes]

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that sell 
for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing since 
sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul people 
and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if need be. The 
biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could justify 
it but I cannot.


RB

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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The Mercedes Sprinter factory around here is expanding, I vaguely recall 
something about these things might be built there.


--FT


On 1/18/18 6:15 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Thats ok, you can still buy one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77XBO9QHlU


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


No truck, no camper.


https://www.amlu.com/2018/01/18/not-coming-soon-mercedes-benz-x-class-campers/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-01-nltr06



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that sell 
for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing since 
sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul people 
and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if need be. The 
biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could justify 
it but I cannot.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that sell 
for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 18, 2018 at 2:13 PM
WHAT?
The upscale passenger truck is a distinctly US vehicle, in my opinion.
Who would make one and sell it elsewhere, but not here?

Wait, I know: MBUSA marketing geniuses who don't allow any product 
that doesn't fit in with their intended brand image.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 18, 2018 at 8:41 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Lets try this again:
> Thats ok, you can still buy one of these:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77XBO9QHlU

In USA?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Congratulations Mercedes, you've brought out a 20 year old VW Eurovan...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, January 18, 2018, 8:41:31 PM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Lets try this again:
Thats ok, you can still buy one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77XBO9QHlU


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No truck, no camper.
>
> https://www.amlu.com/2018/01/18/not-coming-soon-mercedes-ben
> z-x-class-campers/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&
> utm_campaign=2018-01-nltr06
>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Lets try this again:
Thats ok, you can still buy one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77XBO9QHlU


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No truck, no camper.
>
> https://www.amlu.com/2018/01/18/not-coming-soon-mercedes-ben
> z-x-class-campers/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&
> utm_campaign=2018-01-nltr06
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

WHAT? 
The upscale passenger truck is a distinctly US vehicle, in my opinion. 
Who would make one and sell it elsewhere, but not here?

Wait, I know: MBUSA marketing geniuses who don't allow any product that doesn't 
fit in with their intended brand image. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Major disappointment

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No truck, no camper.

https://www.amlu.com/2018/01/18/not-coming-soon-mercedes-benz-x-class-campers/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-01-nltr06

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