Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our KitchenAid bifold ice maker is and has been a brick for 6.75 years.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:26 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a GE fridge and everything related to water and ice failed
> within the first two years.
>
> Allan
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Oh geez, never buy Samsung appliances, especially refrigerators. Ours is
> > great, but the ice maker does not work, period.  It continually jambs
> > and freezes up and I noticed the ice makers on the new models are
> > exactly like ours.  I am tempted to dump it or move it as a spare fridge
> > to the garage and buy something else.
> >
> > On 10/19/2020 9:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I have a Samsung fridge, the ice makers have minds of their own
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better
> engineered than the LG, but only time will tell.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have a GE fridge and everything related to water and ice failed
within the first two years.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Oh geez, never buy Samsung appliances, especially refrigerators. Ours is 
> great, but the ice maker does not work, period.  It continually jambs 
> and freezes up and I noticed the ice makers on the new models are 
> exactly like ours.  I am tempted to dump it or move it as a spare fridge 
> to the garage and buy something else.
>
> On 10/19/2020 9:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a Samsung fridge, the ice makers have minds of their own
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered 
>>> than the LG, but only time will tell.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oh hey, I forgot to tell the other big camp story from last week. We got a 
refrigerator!
Onna these in white: 
https://uniqueappliances.com/product/8-cu-ft-propane-fridge/?c=72e1ba2726d6
8 cu ft is pretty small but at $1500 delivered propane fridges are pretty 
spendy. Ours weighs as much as the much larger unit we have at home. The tubing 
on the back is pretty serious.
As usual there was nearly a whole day farting around getting it hooked up 
including 2 trips to the hardware store for more fittings. Neither of us wanted 
to buy another 50' of 3/8" copper pipe (at probably $1.50 a foot) for the 15 
foot run so we ended up putting a couple pieces we already had together. Also 
as usual it took me about 5 bad flares to get the hang of the flare tool 
again.One trick we used on the flares was to anneal the pipe before making a 
flare. Copper work hardens and last time I made flares I was having trouble 
with it cracking and leaking, softening it before working with it worked way 
better.
-Curt

On Monday, October 19, 2020, 11:52:14 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Oh geez, never buy Samsung appliances, especially refrigerators. Ours is 
great, but the ice maker does not work, period.  It continually jambs 
and freezes up and I noticed the ice makers on the new models are 
exactly like ours.  I am tempted to dump it or move it as a spare fridge 
to the garage and buy something else.

On 10/19/2020 9:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I have a Samsung fridge, the ice makers have minds of their own
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered 
>> than the LG, but only time will tell.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh geez, never buy Samsung appliances, especially refrigerators. Ours is 
great, but the ice maker does not work, period.  It continually jambs 
and freezes up and I noticed the ice makers on the new models are 
exactly like ours.  I am tempted to dump it or move it as a spare fridge 
to the garage and buy something else.


On 10/19/2020 9:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

I have a Samsung fridge, the ice makers have minds of their own

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered than 
the LG, but only time will tell.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

The things are not that smart.  That feature would be good.  I have to visit a 
web site and use QR coding to access programming to input through the phone 
into the appliance to activate the special sock wash and eat cycle, or sanitize 
and shred bedsheets.


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 6:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it will tell you what part is broken you can just order and install it
> yourself, saving some cash potentially on repair people.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my
>> washer or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access
>> the more arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I
>> prefer analog with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who
>> probably does not wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our
>> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
>> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>> 
>> B. Johnson
>> 01/09/2020
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
>>> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
>>> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
>>> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
>>> 
>>> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
>>> approaches to design and quality control.
>>> 
>>> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
>>> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
>>> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
>>> that can break.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after
>> two
 major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
 replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
 junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
 
 OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
 
 On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
> 
> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better
>> engineered
> than the LG, but only time will tell.
> 
> Bob Massmann
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

The new opener in GWN has that option.  I could not make my phone work with it. 
 The rest of the household figured it out. I do not see a need to use my phone 
to have some hacker track me.  The former keypad opener was not compatible with 
the new machine.  A replacement arrived today that wants coding and pairing to 
the wifi network.



clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My landlord’s guy just installed a new garage door opener in the joint. It 
> has Wifi. I  valiantly fought the urge to download the app that allows me to 
> open and close the door and know the status of the door from anywhere on 
> earth. I lasted two days and then I did it mainly to mess with my grown 
> children. 
> Please don’t tell them. This has been fun. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my 
>> washer or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access the 
>> more arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I prefer 
>> analog with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who probably 
>> does not wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
>> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout 
>> of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>> 
>> B. Johnson
>> 01/09/2020
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
>>> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
>>> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
>>> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
>>> 
>>> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
>>> approaches to design and quality control.
>>> 
>>> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
>>> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
>>> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
>>> that can break.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
 major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
 replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
 junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
 
 OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
 
 On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
> 
> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
> than the LG, but only time will tell.
> 
> Bob Massmann
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have a Samsung fridge, the ice makers have minds of their own

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered 
> than the LG, but only time will tell.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Last washer I bought was from Lowes. They didn't have the model I wanted
in stock, but had it on their website, so I ordered it online and had it
delivered to the local Lowes store, where I picked it up. Took a few
extra days but worked out fine.

All our local appliance stores but one are gone, and they only carry
Miele. Lowes, Menards, and Best Buy killed the others off.

Allan

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home
> Depot, I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story,
> can't get appliances until January. They'd like to move in by
> November...  Then they tried a local appliance place, they had
> everything in stock, delivered 2 days later, saved something like
> $2500 over the big box store price.  -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I had a similar issue with a replacement tail light lens for Angie's car. It 
was really poorly packed in just a light cardboard box. Think cereal box and 
you wouldn't be far off. 

They got me a good one on the second try and compared to all the other places 
the price was very good but it was kind of frustrating.
-Curt

On Saturday, October 17, 2020, 2:21:14 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Last time I needed a drain pump for an LG I ordered it on Amazon to save
a few bucks. It arrived broken. They did exchange it, but that's
annoying and left me without a washer for longer than necessary. The
eventual replacement did work and lasted until the pot-metal drum
support broke (see the start of this thread). At that point I replaced
the washer

RepairClinic.com will probably cost a little more but I've never
received a bad part from them.

Allan


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years
> max. Of course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that
> time. I wonder if it has a load counter on it.
>
> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer
> until next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at
> Home Depot.  I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This one was $1400 IIRC. The home warranty paid for $1200 of it. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Prices on good quality dishwashers have gone up 20 percent in the past 6 
> months.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:14 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Our new top of the line Bosch dishwasher we ordered 2 months ago is supposed 
>> to be delivered this week. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I was simply aghast when I walked through Lowe’s the other day and I 
>> > didn’t see a refrigerator in one aisle for less than $2k. That’s nuts.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> >> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home 
>> >> Depot, I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't 
>> >> get appliances until January. They'd like to move in by November...
>> >> 
>> >> Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock, 
>> >> delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store 
>> >> price.
>> >> 
>> >> -Curt
>> >> 
>> >> On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new 
>> >> appliances being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the 
>> >> pandemic. Our new house had no appliances even though they were on the 
>> >> description, so we negotiated $3k off the price. The builder said they 
>> >> can’t get stuff fast enough and they were having to credit people back at 
>> >> closings because they couldn’t get the appliances for the homes fast 
>> >> enough.
>> >> 
>> >> I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through 
>> >> the appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.
>> >> 
>> >> Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if 
>> >> there’s a particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll 
>> >> of the dice when or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent 
>> >> selection of stuff across all price ranges and said that if they’ve got 
>> >> it in the store or warehouse you can have it in a day or two.
>> >> 
>> >> So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be 
>> >> flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about 
>> >> Bosch dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all 
>> >> models.
>> >> 
>> >> -D
>> >> 
>>  On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
>> >>> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
>> >>> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
>> >>> 
>> >>> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
>> >>> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home 
>> >>> Depot.
>> >>> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> >>> 
>>  I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
>>  that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid 
>>  into
>>  plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only 
>>  ruin
>>  that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
>>  room in the house ;)
>>  Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 
>>  7
>>  or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
>>  -Curt
>>  
>>    On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>  
>>  Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
>>  storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
>>  solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
>>  
>>  -D
>>  
>> > On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
>>  cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a 
>>  good
>>  de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active 
>>  ingredient
>>  in your lemonade is citric acid.
>> > 
>> > -Curt
>> > 
>> > On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Karl,
>> > 
>> > I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yup always buy local. Boycott big boxes.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 6:09 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home
> Depot, I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't
> get appliances until January. They'd like to move in by November...
> Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock,
> delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store
> price.
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new
> appliances being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic.
> Our new house had no appliances even though they were on the description,
> so we negotiated $3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff
> fast enough and they were having to credit people back at closings because
> they couldn’t get the appliances for the homes fast enough.
>
> I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through
> the appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.
>
> Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if
> there’s a particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of
> the dice when or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent
> selection of stuff across all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it
> in the store or warehouse you can have it in a day or two.
>
> So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be
> flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch
> dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
> > course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> > wonder if it has a load counter on it.
> >
> > LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
> > next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home
> Depot.
> > I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
> >
> > On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
> >> that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid
> into
> >> plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only
> ruin
> >> that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
> >> room in the house ;)
> >> Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after
> 7
> >> or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
> >> storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
> >> solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
> >> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a
> good
> >> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active
> ingredient
> >> in your lemonade is citric acid.
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Karl,
> >>>
> >>> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart
> and
> >> use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a
> “tub
> >> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to
> that. A
> >> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> >>>
> >>> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>  How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> 
>  On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>  wrote:
> 
> > I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
> >> on the
> > dishwasher and washing machine.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Prices on good quality dishwashers have gone up 20 percent in the past 6
months.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:14 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Our new top of the line Bosch dishwasher we ordered 2 months ago is
> supposed to be delivered this week.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was simply aghast when I walked through Lowe’s the other day and I
> didn’t see a refrigerator in one aisle for less than $2k. That’s nuts.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >>
> >> My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home
> Depot, I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't
> get appliances until January. They'd like to move in by November...
> >>
> >> Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock,
> delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store
> price.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new
> appliances being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic.
> Our new house had no appliances even though they were on the description,
> so we negotiated $3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff
> fast enough and they were having to credit people back at closings because
> they couldn’t get the appliances for the homes fast enough.
> >>
> >> I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked
> through the appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.
> >>
> >> Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if
> there’s a particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of
> the dice when or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent
> selection of stuff across all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it
> in the store or warehouse you can have it in a day or two.
> >>
> >> So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be
> flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch
> dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>  On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max.
> Of
> >>> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> >>> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
> >>>
> >>> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer
> until
> >>> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home
> Depot.
> >>> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>>
>  I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic
> thing
>  that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the
> acid into
>  plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would
> only ruin
>  that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst
> humidity
>  room in the house ;)
>  Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but
> after 7
>  or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
>  -Curt
> 
>    On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>  Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
>  storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
>  solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  > wrote:
> >
> > I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago
> for
>  cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a
> good
>  de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active
> ingredient
>  in your lemonade is citric acid.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart
> and
>  use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has
> a “tub
>  clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to
> that. A
>  couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> >
> > I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> >
> > -D
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Our new top of the line Bosch dishwasher we ordered 2 months ago is supposed to 
be delivered this week. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was simply aghast when I walked through Lowe’s the other day and I didn’t 
> see a refrigerator in one aisle for less than $2k. That’s nuts.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home Depot, 
>> I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't get 
>> appliances until January. They'd like to move in by November...
>> 
>> Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock, 
>> delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store 
>> price.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new appliances 
>> being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic. Our new 
>> house had no appliances even though they were on the description, so we 
>> negotiated $3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff fast 
>> enough and they were having to credit people back at closings because they 
>> couldn’t get the appliances for the homes fast enough.
>> 
>> I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through 
>> the appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.
>> 
>> Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if there’s 
>> a particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of the dice 
>> when or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent selection of stuff 
>> across all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it in the store or 
>> warehouse you can have it in a day or two.
>> 
>> So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be 
>> flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch 
>> dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
>>> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
>>> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
>>> 
>>> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
>>> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
>>> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>> 
 I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
 that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into
 plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin
 that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
 room in the house ;)
 Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
 or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
 -Curt
 
   On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 
 Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
 storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
 solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
 
 -D
 
> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  > wrote:
> 
> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
 cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
 de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
 in your lemonade is citric acid.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> Karl,
> 
> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
 use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub
 clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A
 couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> 
> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com  
 >> wrote:
>> 
>> How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
>> 
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home Depot, I 
forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't get appliances 
until January. They'd like to move in by November...
Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock, 
delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store price.
-Curt

On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new appliances 
being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic. Our new house 
had no appliances even though they were on the description, so we negotiated 
$3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff fast enough and they 
were having to credit people back at closings because they couldn’t get the 
appliances for the homes fast enough.

I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through the 
appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.

Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if there’s a 
particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of the dice when 
or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent selection of stuff across 
all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it in the store or warehouse you 
can have it in a day or two.

So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be 
flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch 
dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
> 
> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
> 
> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
>> that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into
>> plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin
>> that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
>> room in the house ;)
>> Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
>> or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>    On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
>> storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
>> solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
>> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
>> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
>> in your lemonade is citric acid.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Karl,
>>> 
>>> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
>> use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub
>> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A
>> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
>>> 
>>> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 
 How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
 
 On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 wrote:
 
> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
>> on the
> dishwasher and washing machine.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was simply aghast when I walked through Lowe’s the other day and I didn’t see 
a refrigerator in one aisle for less than $2k. That’s nuts.

-D

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> My brother-in-law is building a new place. They went to Lowes or Home Depot, 
> I forget which, for appliances and were told some sob story, can't get 
> appliances until January. They'd like to move in by November...
> 
> Then they tried a local appliance place, they had everything in stock, 
> delivered 2 days later, saved something like $2500 over the big box store 
> price.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:33:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new appliances 
> being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic. Our new 
> house had no appliances even though they were on the description, so we 
> negotiated $3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff fast 
> enough and they were having to credit people back at closings because they 
> couldn’t get the appliances for the homes fast enough.
> 
> I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through the 
> appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.
> 
> Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if there’s a 
> particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of the dice 
> when or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent selection of stuff 
> across all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it in the store or 
> warehouse you can have it in a day or two.
> 
> So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be 
> flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch 
> dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
> > course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> > wonder if it has a load counter on it.
> > 
> > LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
> > next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
> > I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
> > 
> > On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
> >> that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into
> >> plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin
> >> that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
> >> room in the house ;)
> >> Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
> >> or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
> >> -Curt
> >> 
> >>On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
> >> storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
> >> solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
> >> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
> >> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
> >> in your lemonade is citric acid.
> >>> 
> >>> -Curt
> >>> 
> >>> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Karl,
> >>> 
> >>> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
> >> use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub
> >> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A
> >> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> >>> 
> >>> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
> >> >> wrote:
>  
>  How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
>  
>  On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
> >> >>
>  wrote:
>  
> > I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
> >> on the
> > dishwasher and washing 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If it will tell you what part is broken you can just order and install it
yourself, saving some cash potentially on repair people.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my
> washer or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access
> the more arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I
> prefer analog with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who
> probably does not wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.
>
> clay
>
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our
> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
>
> > On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
> > lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
> > replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
> > serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
> >
> > Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
> > approaches to design and quality control.
> >
> > ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
> > touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
> > avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
> > that can break.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after
> two
> >> major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
> >> replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
> >> junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
> >>
> >> OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
> >>> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
> >>> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
> >>> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
> >>> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
> >>> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
> >>> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
> >>>
> >>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better
> engineered
> >>> than the LG, but only time will tell.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Massmann
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[dan--- via Mercedes]

PO of my house put one of those in on the main garage door, so I got it by 
default when I bought the house.

The notifications are a little annoying, but the ability to open and close with 
the app can be convenient when I’m in a car that doesn’t have a remote.

Mine is a belt drive, and the quietest garage door and opener I’ve ever had.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My landlord’s guy just installed a new garage door opener in the joint. It 
> has Wifi. I  valiantly fought the urge to download the app that allows me to 
> open and close the door and know the status of the door from anywhere on 
> earth. I lasted two days and then I did it mainly to mess with my grown 
> children. 
> Please don’t tell them. This has been fun. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my 
>> washer or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access the 
>> more arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I prefer 
>> analog with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who probably 
>> does not wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
>> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout 
>> of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>> 
>> B. Johnson
>> 01/09/2020
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
>>> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
>>> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
>>> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
>>> 
>>> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
>>> approaches to design and quality control.
>>> 
>>> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
>>> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
>>> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
>>> that can break.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
 major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
 replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
 junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
 
 OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
 
 On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
> 
> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
> than the LG, but only time will tell.
> 
> Bob Massmann
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My landlord’s guy just installed a new garage door opener in the joint. It has 
Wifi. I  valiantly fought the urge to download the app that allows me to open 
and close the door and know the status of the door from anywhere on earth. I 
lasted two days and then I did it mainly to mess with my grown children. 
Please don’t tell them. This has been fun. 

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my 
> washer or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access the 
> more arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I prefer 
> analog with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who probably 
> does not wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
>> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
>> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
>> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
>> 
>> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
>> approaches to design and quality control.
>> 
>> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
>> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
>> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
>> that can break.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
>>> major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
>>> replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
>>> junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
>>> 
>>> OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
 frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
 springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
 mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
 when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
 mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
 year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
 
 I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
 than the LG, but only time will tell.
 
 Bob Massmann
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

New appliances are toys not tools.  I have no need to interface with my washer 
or fridge over wifi. EVER.  Except, now I do, if I want to access the more 
arcane and magical permutations of cleaning or food storage.  I prefer analog 
with the brain engagement over expecting some programmer who probably does not 
wash themselves let alone clothing, to kludge software.

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 17, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
> 
> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
> approaches to design and quality control.
> 
> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
> that can break.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
>> major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
>> replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
>> junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
>> 
>> OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
>>> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
>>> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
>>> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
>>> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
>>> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
>>> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
>>> 
>>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
>>> than the LG, but only time will tell.
>>> 
>>> Bob Massmann
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I totally agree.  This is my favorite, most trouble free washing machine.
https://columbuswashboard.com/products/sunnyland-washboard

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 3:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
> lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
> replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
> serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.
>
> Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
> approaches to design and quality control.
>
> ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
> touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
> avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
> that can break.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after
> two
> > major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
> > replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
> > junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
> >
> > OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
> >> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
> >> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
> >> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
> >> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
> >> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
> >> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
> >>
> >> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better
> engineered
> >> than the LG, but only time will tell.
> >>
> >> Bob Massmann
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's hard to draw broad conclusions from anecdotes. My LG front-loader
lasted 13 years with one minor failure (drain pump, which was easy to
replace thanks to good design) prior to its final fatal failure. It was
serving a family of 5 so it got a lot of use during that time.

Samsung and LG are both Korean, so I would expect they have similar
approaches to design and quality control.

ALL modern appliances have gone overboard in terms of adding gizmos,
touch screens, WiFi, remote control from your phone, etc. I actively
avoid models with those features, just adds cost and is one more thing
that can break.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
> major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
> replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
> junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..
>
> OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite
>> frig that was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the
>> springs were to stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their
>> mountings. The last straw was when the interior light didn't shut off
>> when the door was closed, got so hot that the plastic bezel and lamp
>> mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had to send me money every
>> year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
>>
>> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
>> than the LG, but only time will tell.
>>
>> Bob Massmann

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The LG dishwasher we purchased 10 years ago had to be written off after two
major repairs in the first 2 years costing over $600.  The Bosch
replacement performed much better, although we inadvertently bought a
junior sized (not a Tall Tub) model..

OTOH, my LG Android phone is beyond awesome.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:04 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite frig
> that
> was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the springs were
> to
> stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their mountings. The last straw was
> when the interior light didn't shut off when the door was closed, got so
> hot
> that the plastic bezel and lamp mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they
> had
> to send me money every year because them fibbed about its energy usage.
>
> I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered
> than the LG, but only time will tell.
>
> Bob Massmann
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine
>
> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
>
> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
> > that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid
> > into
> > plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only
> > ruin
> > that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
> > room in the house ;)
> > Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
> > or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
> > storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
> > solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
> > cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a
> good
> > de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
> > in your lemonade is citric acid.
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > > On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart
> and
> > use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a
> > “tub
> > clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to
> that.
> > A
> > couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> > >
> > > I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
> > on the
> > > >> dishwasher and washing machine.
> > > >>
> > > >> -D
> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I avoid any LG product ever since I had purchased a Kenmore Elite frig that 
was made for them by LG. Interior latches broke because the springs were to 
stiff. Roller wheels shafts broke from their mountings. The last straw was 
when the interior light didn't shut off when the door was closed, got so hot 
that the plastic bezel and lamp mounted deformed and melted. Oh and they had 
to send me money every year because them fibbed about its energy usage.


I have replaced it with a Samsung which hopefully, is be better engineered 
than the LG, but only time will tell.


Bob Massmann

-Original Message- 
From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Karl Wittnebel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
wonder if it has a load counter on it.

LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.

On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid 
into
plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only 
ruin

that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
room in the house ;)
Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.

-D

> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
in your lemonade is citric acid.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Karl,
>
> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a 
“tub
clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. 
A

couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
>
> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
on the
> >> dishwasher and washing machine.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Last time I needed a drain pump for an LG I ordered it on Amazon to save
a few bucks. It arrived broken. They did exchange it, but that's
annoying and left me without a washer for longer than necessary. The
eventual replacement did work and lasted until the pot-metal drum
support broke (see the start of this thread). At that point I replaced
the washer

RepairClinic.com will probably cost a little more but I've never
received a bad part from them.

Allan


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years
> max. Of course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that
> time. I wonder if it has a load counter on it.
>
> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer
> until next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at
> Home Depot.  I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For what it’s worth, I  was wondering about the chatter about new appliances 
being unobtanium due to everyone staying home with the pandemic. Our new house 
had no appliances even though they were on the description, so we negotiated 
$3k off the price. The builder said they can’t get stuff fast enough and they 
were having to credit people back at closings because they couldn’t get the 
appliances for the homes fast enough.

I was at Lowe’s the other day and it was pretty slow, so I walked through the 
appliance department and spoke to one of the sales people.

Long story short, they can get appliances. It’s hit or miss, and if there’s a 
particular model you want and they don’t have it, it’s a roll of the dice when 
or if it will ever show up. They had a pretty decent selection of stuff across 
all price ranges and said that if they’ve got it in the store or warehouse you 
can have it in a day or two.

So I guess as long as you’re not stuck on a particular model and can be 
flexible, there are appliances to be had. I specifically asked about Bosch 
dishwashers, and she said they had plenty of them but not all models.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
> course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
> wonder if it has a load counter on it.
> 
> LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
> next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
> I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.
> 
> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
>> that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into
>> plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin
>> that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
>> room in the house ;)
>> Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
>> or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
>> storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
>> solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
>> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
>> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
>> in your lemonade is citric acid.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Karl,
>>> 
>>> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
>> use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub
>> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A
>> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
>>> 
>>> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 
 How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
 
 On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 wrote:
 
> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
>> on the
> dishwasher and washing machine.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well the new LG washer ate its drain pump. Lasted a couple years max. Of
course it probably did 5 million loads of Laundry during that time. I
wonder if it has a load counter on it.

LG has only one warehouse and its in AL. So we are without a washer until
next week. Kind of unbelievable given they sell the machines at Home Depot.
I should have just bought a pump on amazon prime.

On Thu, May 28, 2020, 8:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing
> that once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into
> plastic sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin
> that bag. The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity
> room in the house ;)
> Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7
> or 8 years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with
> storing a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would
> solidify into a giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for
> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good
> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient
> in your lemonade is citric acid.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and
> use 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub
> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A
> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> >
> > I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles
> on the
> > >> dishwasher and washing machine.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've got an old coffee can, pot, jug, whatever you call a plastic thing that 
once held a couple pounds of coffee. In that I separated the acid into plastic 
sandwich bags so that if the humidity got to one it would only ruin that bag. 
The whole thing is in the basement which is the worst humidity room in the 
house ;)
Frankly I expected it to, as you say, fuse into a solid block but after 7 or 8 
years (closer to 8 I think) its still fine.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with storing a 
big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would solidify into a giant 
block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.

-D

> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for 
> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good 
> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient in 
> your lemonade is citric acid.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Karl,
> 
> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and use 
> 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub 
> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A 
> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> 
> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> > 
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
> >> dishwasher and washing machine.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

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> On May 28, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with storing 
> a big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would solidify into a 
> giant block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for 
>> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good 
>> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient in 
>> your lemonade is citric acid.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Karl,
>> 
>> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and use 
>> 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub 
>> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A 
>> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
>> 
>> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
 dishwasher and washing machine.
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

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Exactly. It’s cheap and does the job, and I don’t have to mess with storing a 
big tub of it. Around here there’s a good chance it would solidify into a giant 
block if not tightly sealed due to the humidity.

-D

> On May 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for 
> cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good 
> de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient in 
> your lemonade is citric acid.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Karl,
> 
> I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and use 
> 5 of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub 
> clean” mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A 
> couple hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!
> 
> I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> > 
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
> >> dishwasher and washing machine.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I bought 5# of citric acid on Amazon for like $20, 7 or 8 years ago for 
cleaning lantern founts. A teaspoon full in a gallon of water makes a good 
de-rusting agent. Ought to clean your washer too as the active ingredient in 
your lemonade is citric acid.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 9:36:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Karl,

I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and use 5 
of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub clean” 
mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A couple 
hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!

I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.

-D

> On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
>> dishwasher and washing machine.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Karl,

I get the boxes of 10 “sticks” of sugar free lemonade mix at WalMart and use 5 
of them in the washing machine. I’ve got a top loader that has a “tub clean” 
mode, so I dump them in the tub, shut the lid and turn it to that. A couple 
hours later it’s done and the insides are now lemony fresh!

I do the same in the Bosch dishwasher, too.

-D

> On May 26, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
>> dishwasher and washing machine.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

How many scoops per load? And how much goes in the radiator?

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the
> dishwasher and washing machine.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 25, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Running those Affresh packets through the machine periodically and
> leaving
> > the door ajar when not in use seem to fix the smell issue for us.
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We struggled with this on a GE front loader bought in the early 2000s.
> >> Unfortunately, it was not one of the front loaders covered under the
> >> massive recall campaign that seemed to affect nearly every one that was
> >> built. I used to drain the sump almost weekly, but could never get it
> >> totally clean. Black slimy stuff built up in it, and no combination of
> >> bleach or other chemicals would clean it out completely.
> >>
> >> Replaced it with a top loader and will never go back.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 25, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have
> mildew
> >> smell issues.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing.
> >> Turns
>  fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
> 
>  The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
>  gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
>  on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with
> it.
> 
>  Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times
> in
>  the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
>  LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
> 
>  Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
>  standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
>  repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead
> time
>  on orders.
> 
>  Allan
> 
> 
>  Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
> > I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader.
> >> Bearings were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the
> job
> >> but they never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious
> >> problems. In any case the machine had to be nearly completely
> disassembled
> >> but it was not too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader,
> >> probably
> >> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
> >> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
> >>
> >> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells
> >> for
> >> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
> >> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy
> >> plastic
> >> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will
> >> try
> >> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
> >>
> >> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any
> recommendations
> >> on
> >> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
> >> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I
> would
> >> never buy the brand again.
> >>
> >> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is
> a
> >> reasonable lifespan.
> >>
> >> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to
> be
> >> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for
> LG,
> >> Samsung, or GE models.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We leave ours open. Of course those doing laundry around here have a bad habit 
of doing a load, then forgetting about it and coming back the next day to dry 
it and by that time the cloths have to be washed again because they stink. 

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> On May 26, 2020, at 3:21 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Those of you with front loader mildew: do you keep the door closed when the 
> washer is not in use?  We always leave our washer door open, no mildew, 20 
> years of use.
> 
> May 25, 2020 8:42:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
> :
> 
>>  Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have 
>> mildew smell issues.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Leave the door ajar, and wipe out the little puddle on the seal.

I also use a half scoop of plain unscented OxyClean per load unless I'm using 
bleach.  No mildew, clean clothes.
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> We always leave our washer door open, no mildew, 20 years of use.

Top loaders, too.  It's not in the way of anything, another advantage IMHO.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did.

-D

> On May 26, 2020, at 4:21 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Those of you with front loader mildew: do you keep the door closed when the 
> washer is not in use?  We always leave our washer door open, no mildew, 20 
> years of use.
> 
> May 25, 2020 8:42:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
> :
> 
>>  Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have 
>> mildew smell issues.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Those of you with front loader mildew: do you keep the door closed when the 
washer is not in use?  We always leave our washer door open, no mildew, 20 
years of use.

May 25, 2020 8:42:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes :

> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew 
>smell issues.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I buy generic “Kool-Aid” lemonade and use it to run cleaning cycles on the 
dishwasher and washing machine. 

-D

> On May 25, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Running those Affresh packets through the machine periodically and leaving
> the door ajar when not in use seem to fix the smell issue for us.
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> We struggled with this on a GE front loader bought in the early 2000s.
>> Unfortunately, it was not one of the front loaders covered under the
>> massive recall campaign that seemed to affect nearly every one that was
>> built. I used to drain the sump almost weekly, but could never get it
>> totally clean. Black slimy stuff built up in it, and no combination of
>> bleach or other chemicals would clean it out completely.
>> 
>> Replaced it with a top loader and will never go back.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew
>> smell issues.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing.
>> Turns
 fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
 
 The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
 gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
 on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.
 
 Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
 the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
 LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
 
 Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
 standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
 repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
 on orders.
 
 Allan
 
 
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 
> I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader.
>> Bearings were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job
>> but they never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious
>> problems. In any case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled
>> but it was not too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader,
>> probably
>> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
>> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
>> 
>> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells
>> for
>> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
>> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy
>> plastic
>> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will
>> try
>> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
>> 
>> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations
>> on
>> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
>> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
>> never buy the brand again.
>> 
>> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
>> reasonable lifespan.
>> 
>> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
>> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
>> Samsung, or GE models.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Running those Affresh packets through the machine periodically and leaving
the door ajar when not in use seem to fix the smell issue for us.

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We struggled with this on a GE front loader bought in the early 2000s.
> Unfortunately, it was not one of the front loaders covered under the
> massive recall campaign that seemed to affect nearly every one that was
> built. I used to drain the sump almost weekly, but could never get it
> totally clean. Black slimy stuff built up in it, and no combination of
> bleach or other chemicals would clean it out completely.
>
> Replaced it with a top loader and will never go back.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 25, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew
> smell issues.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing.
> Turns
> >> fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
> >>
> >> The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
> >> gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
> >> on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.
> >>
> >> Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
> >> the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
> >> LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
> >>
> >> Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
> >> standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
> >> repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
> >> on orders.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >>
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
> >>> I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader.
> Bearings were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job
> but they never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious
> problems. In any case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled
> but it was not too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader,
> probably
>  close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
>  full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
> 
>  So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells
> for
>  $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
>  disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy
> plastic
>  "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will
> try
>  to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
> 
>  Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations
> on
>  replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
>  appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
>  never buy the brand again.
> 
>  Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
>  reasonable lifespan.
> 
>  Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
>  much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
>  Samsung, or GE models.
> 
>  Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

I used to want an on-premises commercial Speed Queen. (laundromat quality
but no coin box)
Back in 2002 a front loader was about $1400.

I ended up getting Mom a high efficiency Fisher and Paykel top loader
instead. Spiritual ancestor to the Whirlpool Calypso.
No belts or gearbox. Just a high efficiency motor, pump and a bunch of
valves. Only real problem is when the pump motor dies it pulls too much
current and fries the circuit board. Solution to that was an inline fuse
on the pump motor. Parts were cheap, repairs were easy.
But now the parts are expensive. A $35 pump is now $140.

So eventually I'll have to find a new favorite washer. What'll be hard to
replace are the top loading dryers that came with them. Nothing is as fast
or easy as pulling wet stuff out of the top of the washer and dumping it
in the top of the dryer.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

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On Sun, May 24, 2020 10:38 pm, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> Water is rather hard.  Can’t have a teapot on the stove because it
> cakes up inside.

Friend of mine runs distilled water in the coffee maker.
Keurig doesn't get crudded up.

Also, distilled water apparently has less dissolved air in it, makes clear
ice cubes.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yup nothing better than just going back to old school simplicity. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We struggled with this on a GE front loader bought in the early 2000s. 
> Unfortunately, it was not one of the front loaders covered under the massive 
> recall campaign that seemed to affect nearly every one that was built. I used 
> to drain the sump almost weekly, but could never get it totally clean. Black 
> slimy stuff built up in it, and no combination of bleach or other chemicals 
> would clean it out completely.
> 
> Replaced it with a top loader and will never go back.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 25, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew 
>> smell issues.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing. Turns
>>> fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
>>> 
>>> The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
>>> gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
>>> on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.
>>> 
>>> Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
>>> the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
>>> LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
>>> 
>>> Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
>>> standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
>>> repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
>>> on orders.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader. Bearings 
 were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job but they 
 never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious problems. 
 In any case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled but it 
 was not too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
> 
> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
> 
> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
> never buy the brand again.
> 
> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
> reasonable lifespan.
> 
> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
> Samsung, or GE models.
> 
> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We struggled with this on a GE front loader bought in the early 2000s. 
Unfortunately, it was not one of the front loaders covered under the massive 
recall campaign that seemed to affect nearly every one that was built. I used 
to drain the sump almost weekly, but could never get it totally clean. Black 
slimy stuff built up in it, and no combination of bleach or other chemicals 
would clean it out completely.

Replaced it with a top loader and will never go back.

-D

> On May 25, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew 
> smell issues.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing. Turns
>> fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
>> 
>> The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
>> gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
>> on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.
>> 
>> Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
>> the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
>> LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
>> 
>> Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
>> standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
>> repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
>> on orders.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader. Bearings 
>>> were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job but they 
>>> never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious problems. In 
>>> any case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled but it was 
>>> not too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
 close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
 full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
 
 So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
 $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
 disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
 "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
 to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
 
 Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
 replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
 appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
 never buy the brand again.
 
 Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
 reasonable lifespan.
 
 Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
 much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
 Samsung, or GE models.
 
 Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew smell 
issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing. Turns
> fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.
> 
> The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
> gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
> on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.
> 
> Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
> the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
> LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.
> 
> Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
> standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
> repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
> on orders.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader. Bearings 
>> were noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job but they 
>> never started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious problems. In 
>> any case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled but it was not 
>> too hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
>>> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
>>> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
>>> 
>>> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
>>> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
>>> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
>>> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
>>> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
>>> 
>>> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
>>> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
>>> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
>>> never buy the brand again.
>>> 
>>> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
>>> reasonable lifespan.
>>> 
>>> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
>>> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
>>> Samsung, or GE models.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct. Whirlpool was the primary supplier of Kenmore label products when it 
came to large appliances.

-D

> On May 24, 2020, at 10:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The washer drier set that came with the house was kenmore from the late 
>> ‘60s.  The washer failed, but the dryer kept on blazing the moisture out of 
>> cloth until 2008.  It was replaced by the orphaned stacked unit dryer from 
>> the upstair remodel when the washer there (Amana?) had a bearing failure.  
>> Overloading condition.  The guys who hauled both the kenmore dryer and the 
>> dead washer took them to a refurbisher who makes them good again and sells 
>> them cheap to worthy users.
> 
> Kenmore is actually a label not a brand. I think most Kenmore stuff is
> made by Whirlpool, though that has varied over the years and it's not
> exclusive. LG makes some Kenmore stuff also.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

Water is rather hard.  Can’t have a teapot on the stove because it cakes up 
inside.

clay 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 6:32 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Clay wrote:
> 
>> It does a much better job than the turd HE top load, 
> 
>> Whites are dusky instead of BRIGHT white
> 
> Maybe it the water...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

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> Clay wrote:

> It does a much better job than the turd HE top load, 

>  Whites are dusky instead of BRIGHT white

Maybe it the water...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

AK house got a new LG washer just before WRD hit.  Front load, top of the score 
from Consumer Rip-off.  The instruction manual is in four languages.  Mostly 
pictures.  And all it covers is how to turn the thing on to do “normal” load.  
There are a bunch more options, but to use them  you need to QR code in for 
that information.  It will pair with your phone so  you can operate it 
remotely.  Call it from work to do …. something.  Because it can, and you are 
too lazy to wait until you get home? You actually trust the kids to load it and 
put detergent, but fear they will burn the house down if they touch buttons?

It does a much better job than the turd HE top load, but still not as good as 
the front loader Frigidaire in SEA that is a decade old.  Whites are dusky 
instead of BRIGHT white

clay 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oft-overlooked costs of replacement are the hauling and disposal of
> the old, the time it takes to install, hook up, and learn about the new one.
> The time it takes to re-train all operators on how to best use it, etc.
> Plus packaging disposal, cleanup, patching wall dings...
> 
> Keeping one you _like_ going is usually worth it, unless the repair
> costs get stupid.  (As they usually are on anything with a CPU in it,
> fairly soon.)
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> The washer drier set that came with the house was kenmore from the late ‘60s. 
>  The washer failed, but the dryer kept on blazing the moisture out of cloth 
> until 2008.  It was replaced by the orphaned stacked unit dryer from the 
> upstair remodel when the washer there (Amana?) had a bearing failure.  
> Overloading condition.  The guys who hauled both the kenmore dryer and the 
> dead washer took them to a refurbisher who makes them good again and sells 
> them cheap to worthy users.

Kenmore is actually a label not a brand. I think most Kenmore stuff is
made by Whirlpool, though that has varied over the years and it's not
exclusive. LG makes some Kenmore stuff also.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Took one more look at it and tried scraping some of the corrosion and
> gunk off with a screwdriver. The metal is crumbling away. I think it's
> too far gone.

Yep, if the tin worm has got at it...  Replace the part, either solo or in 
concert.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Clay via Mercedes]

I renovated the kitchen in SEA in ’96 with KitchenAid DW and fridge.  Amana 
downdraft gas range is the only thing to have failure, as the early electronic 
control boards cook/desolder with prolonged high oven temps.  Was expensive, 
but better than purchasing new to have a fresh board installed a decade ago.  
The board is now NLA and operated intermittently.  Only issue with the fridge 
was the copper line to the ice maker (plumbing, not internal) broke when the 
cleaning lady moved the fridge one time too many.

The washer drier set that came with the house was kenmore from the late ‘60s.  
The washer failed, but the dryer kept on blazing the moisture out of cloth 
until 2008.  It was replaced by the orphaned stacked unit dryer from the 
upstair remodel when the washer there (Amana?) had a bearing failure.  
Overloading condition.  The guys who hauled both the kenmore dryer and the dead 
washer took them to a refurbisher who makes them good again and sells them 
cheap to worthy users.

clay 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We have an LG in-line compressor refrigerator that’s half way into it’s 5th 
> year. It seems to be doing just fine, but will probably begin to complain 
> after I send this! Our Whirlpool top mount refrigerator in my Shoffice has 
> begun to sound as if it has a cricket inside it after just over 4 years. We 
> also have a 5-year-old Samsung HUGE capacity front loader washer/dryer pair 
> and love ‘em!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 830 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with a low mileage engine, no new news
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, you got to wash them skid marks out of your shorts.

On 5/24/2020 5:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I guess it sounds plausible. Looking at the part though, it's pretty
corroded from the center to about 2/3 of the way out each of the
arms. It would take a good amount of time with a die grinder to get all
of that down to clean metal. Plus fitting the wood and gluing, figuring
out a way to clamp it ensuring that the shaft stays perpendicular (the
drum spins at 1300 RPM), etc.

It's frustrating that this part is not a forged piece of stainless
steel. Cost vs. expected lifetime I guess, few people will complain if
their washer breaks down after 13 years of service.

Honestly I'd probably give it a try if I were living on my own, but in a
household the tolerance level for fooling around with repairs while the
dirty laundry piles up is pretty low.

Definitely an approach I will keep in mind however.

Allan


Jim Cathey  writes:


IDK about that As you can see by all the gunk and corrosion this is
a part that is wet and at least partially submerged when the washer is
running. Can't really imagine wood and JB weld holding up for long?

I can.  For starters, trees are wet 100% of the time while living.  But the
main factor is that I'm talking about basically rolling the wood in epoxy,
completely coating it, pouring a little epoxy in the trough, then pushing
the coated wood down into the trough.  Then pour more on and trowel
it down so that it's completely filling the gaps across the break.  No wood
will be exposed to water.  The wood is there to give the area some flexible
strength, like the back of a sword (which ideally is not as hard as the
cutting edge), but mostly to fill the gap so you don't need stupid amounts
of the epoxy.  Glue works very well if you can get enough surface area
involved.  Hence filling the trough, etc.

For more strength, epoxying thin strips of steel over the back side of
the breaks would not be a bad idea, if they can fit without interference.
As with the wood, coat the steel so that no rust would ever start.  The
steel is for strength, the surface area is for the glue.  Maybe inch-long
strips, inch and a half.  Something like that.  The metal must all be CLEAN,
and rough.

This kind of repair, done well, would outlast the rest of the machine.

The only problem with pot metal like this is that they never make it thick
enough to not eventually break in service.  Window regulators in Mercedes
cars are a prime example.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Took one more look at it and tried scraping some of the corrosion and
gunk off with a screwdriver. The metal is crumbling away. I think it's
too far gone.

Allan

Allan Streib  writes:

> I guess it sounds plausible. Looking at the part though, it's pretty
> corroded from the center to about 2/3 of the way out each of the
> arms. It would take a good amount of time with a die grinder to get all
> of that down to clean metal. Plus fitting the wood and gluing, figuring
> out a way to clamp it ensuring that the shaft stays perpendicular (the
> drum spins at 1300 RPM), etc.
>
> It's frustrating that this part is not a forged piece of stainless
> steel. Cost vs. expected lifetime I guess, few people will complain if
> their washer breaks down after 13 years of service.
>
> Honestly I'd probably give it a try if I were living on my own, but in a
> household the tolerance level for fooling around with repairs while the
> dirty laundry piles up is pretty low.
>
> Definitely an approach I will keep in mind however.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Jim Cathey  writes:
>
>>> IDK about that As you can see by all the gunk and corrosion this is
>>> a part that is wet and at least partially submerged when the washer is
>>> running. Can't really imagine wood and JB weld holding up for long?
>>
>> I can.  For starters, trees are wet 100% of the time while living.  But the
>> main factor is that I'm talking about basically rolling the wood in epoxy,
>> completely coating it, pouring a little epoxy in the trough, then pushing
>> the coated wood down into the trough.  Then pour more on and trowel
>> it down so that it's completely filling the gaps across the break.  No wood
>> will be exposed to water.  The wood is there to give the area some flexible
>> strength, like the back of a sword (which ideally is not as hard as the
>> cutting edge), but mostly to fill the gap so you don't need stupid amounts
>> of the epoxy.  Glue works very well if you can get enough surface area
>> involved.  Hence filling the trough, etc.
>>
>> For more strength, epoxying thin strips of steel over the back side of
>> the breaks would not be a bad idea, if they can fit without interference.
>> As with the wood, coat the steel so that no rust would ever start.  The
>> steel is for strength, the surface area is for the glue.  Maybe inch-long
>> strips, inch and a half.  Something like that.  The metal must all be CLEAN,
>> and rough.
>>
>> This kind of repair, done well, would outlast the rest of the machine.
>>
>> The only problem with pot metal like this is that they never make it thick
>> enough to not eventually break in service.  Window regulators in Mercedes
>> cars are a prime example.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> figuring out a way to clamp it ensuring that the shaft stays perpendicular

Not too much necessary.  The part probably cracked and the crack propagated
along one leg.  Once broken, the additional movement stressed the second leg to
break.  Once cracked it probably wasn't properly perpendicular anymore, yet was
still washing.  Also, pot metal tends to warp with age, so no decent engineer 
would
have used it for anything truly critical.  My guess is that glued good is good 
enough.
You are relying on the cracked edges joining up again rather closely.

I'd use a Dremel metal brush for cleanup, wherever the regular Makita wouldn't 
reach.

As far as fitting wood goes, we're talking more about whittling than any kind of
tight fit.  You're just space-filling, to avoid going broke with JB-Weld.  I'm 
guessing
an hour of labor, plus glue curing time.  Plus re-assembly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I guess it sounds plausible. Looking at the part though, it's pretty
corroded from the center to about 2/3 of the way out each of the
arms. It would take a good amount of time with a die grinder to get all
of that down to clean metal. Plus fitting the wood and gluing, figuring
out a way to clamp it ensuring that the shaft stays perpendicular (the
drum spins at 1300 RPM), etc.

It's frustrating that this part is not a forged piece of stainless
steel. Cost vs. expected lifetime I guess, few people will complain if
their washer breaks down after 13 years of service.

Honestly I'd probably give it a try if I were living on my own, but in a
household the tolerance level for fooling around with repairs while the
dirty laundry piles up is pretty low.

Definitely an approach I will keep in mind however.

Allan


Jim Cathey  writes:

>> IDK about that As you can see by all the gunk and corrosion this is
>> a part that is wet and at least partially submerged when the washer is
>> running. Can't really imagine wood and JB weld holding up for long?
>
> I can.  For starters, trees are wet 100% of the time while living.  But the
> main factor is that I'm talking about basically rolling the wood in epoxy,
> completely coating it, pouring a little epoxy in the trough, then pushing
> the coated wood down into the trough.  Then pour more on and trowel
> it down so that it's completely filling the gaps across the break.  No wood
> will be exposed to water.  The wood is there to give the area some flexible
> strength, like the back of a sword (which ideally is not as hard as the
> cutting edge), but mostly to fill the gap so you don't need stupid amounts
> of the epoxy.  Glue works very well if you can get enough surface area
> involved.  Hence filling the trough, etc.
>
> For more strength, epoxying thin strips of steel over the back side of
> the breaks would not be a bad idea, if they can fit without interference.
> As with the wood, coat the steel so that no rust would ever start.  The
> steel is for strength, the surface area is for the glue.  Maybe inch-long
> strips, inch and a half.  Something like that.  The metal must all be CLEAN,
> and rough.
>
> This kind of repair, done well, would outlast the rest of the machine.
>
> The only problem with pot metal like this is that they never make it thick
> enough to not eventually break in service.  Window regulators in Mercedes
> cars are a prime example.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

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I would clean and rough up the metal thoroughly.  Then rig a clamp or jigs
to hold the piece so that one of the broken off pieces can sit back in place
without aid.  Then I'd mix a bit of JB-weld and dab it all along the break,
both edges.  Then sit the broken piece on and let it cure.  This will tack
the piece in place.  Then do this for the other break.  Once you have a single
intact part again you then begin reinforcing the breaks with wood, metal,
and glue according to your master plan.  You MUST reinforce the repair,
the first gluing alone will be very weak.

Won't take too much time, but there will be a lot of idle time while glue
cures.  You don't have to wait any longer than it takes to become firm,
except for once at the end to let everything get strong.

You get a lot more street cred for fixing something than for buying new.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> IDK about that As you can see by all the gunk and corrosion this is
> a part that is wet and at least partially submerged when the washer is
> running. Can't really imagine wood and JB weld holding up for long?

I can.  For starters, trees are wet 100% of the time while living.  But the
main factor is that I'm talking about basically rolling the wood in epoxy,
completely coating it, pouring a little epoxy in the trough, then pushing
the coated wood down into the trough.  Then pour more on and trowel
it down so that it's completely filling the gaps across the break.  No wood
will be exposed to water.  The wood is there to give the area some flexible
strength, like the back of a sword (which ideally is not as hard as the
cutting edge), but mostly to fill the gap so you don't need stupid amounts
of the epoxy.  Glue works very well if you can get enough surface area
involved.  Hence filling the trough, etc.

For more strength, epoxying thin strips of steel over the back side of
the breaks would not be a bad idea, if they can fit without interference.
As with the wood, coat the steel so that no rust would ever start.  The
steel is for strength, the surface area is for the glue.  Maybe inch-long
strips, inch and a half.  Something like that.  The metal must all be CLEAN,
and rough.

This kind of repair, done well, would outlast the rest of the machine.

The only problem with pot metal like this is that they never make it thick
enough to not eventually break in service.  Window regulators in Mercedes
cars are a prime example.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

IDK about that As you can see by all the gunk and corrosion this is
a part that is wet and at least partially submerged when the washer is
running. Can't really imagine wood and JB weld holding up for long?

Allan

Jim Cathey  writes:

> Acetone clean the broken part, cut sturdy hardwood blocks to fit snugly
> in the webs, and pot it all back together with JB-Weld.  Will be stronger
> than new.  Costs about $5, if you have to go buy the glue.
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[OK Don via Mercedes]

He still has a plastic drum that has been ground on to the point of smoking
and leaking shocks that need to be replaced. The time to cut and fit the
wood blocks would not be minimal, at least for me to do it.

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 4:08 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Acetone clean the broken part, cut sturdy hardwood blocks to fit snugly
> in the webs, and pot it all back together with JB-Weld.  Will be stronger
> than new.  Costs about $5, if you have to go buy the glue.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Acetone clean the broken part, cut sturdy hardwood blocks to fit snugly
in the webs, and pot it all back together with JB-Weld.  Will be stronger
than new.  Costs about $5, if you have to go buy the glue.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup - a new one sounds like a good plan. The wear in the plastic tub could
become a problem (leaking) in the future as well.

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 3:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Took the machine apart. Not particularly difficult, but a little
> tedious.  It's not the bearing. There's a cast metal brace on the back
> of the drum that centers and supports drum on the drive shaft. It's
> cracked in two places (pic attached), so the drum was wobbling when it
> turned. Smoke must have been where the inner stainless steel drum was
> rubbing on the outer plastic tub that contains it, judging from the
> scrapes and shreds of plastic at the bottom of the tub.
>
> Also the washer is a little older than I thought. Date stamps on
> internal parts say it was manufactured in 2007.
>
> New part is $105.
>
> So I could replace it, and still have a 13 year old washer. And risk
> leaks from all the seals and gaskets that I pulled apart. Also the
> shocks supporting the bottom of the tub are leaking oil, probably they
> have been working hard with the wobbling drum for who knows how long.
>
> Think I'm just going to buy a new one.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Oft-overlooked costs of replacement are the hauling and disposal of
the old, the time it takes to install, hook up, and learn about the new one.
The time it takes to re-train all operators on how to best use it, etc.
Plus packaging disposal, cleanup, patching wall dings...

Keeping one you _like_ going is usually worth it, unless the repair
costs get stupid.  (As they usually are on anything with a CPU in it,
fairly soon.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I pay for my water. Not a lot, in comparison to some areas, but it's not
free. Front loaders use less water which is the main reason I bought
this one.

I do have our old top-loader out in the garage, which I will probably
use until I decide whether to repair or replace the LG, assuming it's
still water-tight. It's been sitting for at least 4 years.

Allan

Jim Cathey  writes:

>> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
>> reasonable lifespan.
>
> No, it's not.  But not too horrible if all it needs is a reasonably-priced
> servicing.  I do not ever intend to have a front-loader, I think they're
> inherently more failure-prone.  Water here is free.  It is pumped up
> out of our own well, used, and (eventually) dumped back out on the
> ground to filter back down to the aquifer.  Water 'savings' is not any
> part of our plan, and never will be.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Took the back panel off and can see the motor but not the bearing. Turns
fairly easily by hand but something is scraping.

The current base level LG front-loader (without WiFi and other useless
gizmos, and basically the current model repacement for what I have) is
on sale at Lowes right now so I might just do that and be done with it.

Any issues with mildew in your Maytag? That was mentioned many times in
the reviews I've read. Never had an issue with mildew or odor in the
LG. Maybe because we use it almost daily.

Someone (off-list) said I should look at Staber. They use industry
standard bearings and parts, designed and manufactured to be easy to
repair. But they are 3x the price of the LG and have an 8-week lead time
on orders.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader. Bearings were 
> noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job but they never 
> started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious problems. In any 
> case the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled but it was not too 
> hard of a job. It’s nice and quiet now. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
>> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
>> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
>> 
>> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
>> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
>> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
>> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
>> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
>> 
>> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
>> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
>> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
>> never buy the brand again.
>> 
>> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
>> reasonable lifespan.
>> 
>> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
>> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
>> Samsung, or GE models.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

We have an LG in-line compressor refrigerator that’s half way into it’s 5th 
year. It seems to be doing just fine, but will probably begin to complain after 
I send this! Our Whirlpool top mount refrigerator in my Shoffice has begun to 
sound as if it has a cricket inside it after just over 4 years. We also have a 
5-year-old Samsung HUGE capacity front loader washer/dryer pair and love ‘em!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 830 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with a low mileage engine, no new news

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> On May 24, 2020, at 4:07 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> FWIW:
> Internet wisdom (the same wisdom that says Honda and Toyota have mythical
> powers of dependability) says Samsung washers are as unreliable as LG
> liner compressor refrigerators.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
> reasonable lifespan.

No, it's not.  But not too horrible if all it needs is a reasonably-priced
servicing.  I do not ever intend to have a front-loader, I think they're
inherently more failure-prone.  Water here is free.  It is pumped up
out of our own well, used, and (eventually) dumped back out on the
ground to filter back down to the aquifer.  Water 'savings' is not any
part of our plan, and never will be.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I haven’t bought a refrigerator or washer in a minute. What about going old 
school?   Kenmore? Maytag? What are their stories? 

Bob R

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> On May 24, 2020, at 6:47 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We bought a Samsung refrigerator about 2 years ago. While the refrigerator 
> itself is so far good, their ice makers are total piles of crap. Ours is a 
> French door refrigerator with the freezer in the bottom. It has 2 ice makes 
> one up top for the door and one in the bottom freezer. The bottom one works 
> fine but the top one does not work more often that not. When it drops ice it 
> continually gets jammed up and won’t drop further ice. It then often ends up 
> turning into a huge block of ice that is very difficult to remove. I will 
> never buy another one again. 
> 
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>> On May 24, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> FWIW:
>> Internet wisdom (the same wisdom that says Honda and Toyota have mythical
>> powers of dependability) says Samsung washers are as unreliable as LG
>> liner compressor refrigerators.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We bought a Samsung refrigerator about 2 years ago. While the refrigerator 
itself is so far good, their ice makers are total piles of crap. Ours is a 
French door refrigerator with the freezer in the bottom. It has 2 ice makes one 
up top for the door and one in the bottom freezer. The bottom one works fine 
but the top one does not work more often that not. When it drops ice it 
continually gets jammed up and won’t drop further ice. It then often ends up 
turning into a huge block of ice that is very difficult to remove. I will never 
buy another one again. 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> FWIW:
> Internet wisdom (the same wisdom that says Honda and Toyota have mythical
> powers of dependability) says Samsung washers are as unreliable as LG
> liner compressor refrigerators.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I just went thru this with our 15 year old Maytag front loader. Bearings were 
noisy for probably a year or 2 before I finally did the job but they never 
started smoking. Sounds like you might have more serious problems. In any case 
the machine had to be nearly completely disassembled but it was not too hard of 
a job. It’s nice and quiet now. 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
> close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
> full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.
> 
> So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
> $20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
> disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
> "rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
> to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.
> 
> Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
> replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
> appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
> never buy the brand again.
> 
> Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
> reasonable lifespan.
> 
> Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
> much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
> Samsung, or GE models.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I bought a Bosch at least ten years ago.  No issues at all.  Not cheap, but 
then you do often get what you pay for, eh?

I don't know how available they are now, I got mine at Lowes when they 
discontinued them.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

FWIW:
Internet wisdom (the same wisdom that says Honda and Toyota have mythical
powers of dependability) says Samsung washers are as unreliable as LG
liner compressor refrigerators.

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[MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Washing machine suddenly very noisy tonight. LG front-loader, probably
close to 10 years old. Went to check on it and found the wash tub is
full of smoke and smoke is pouring out of the detergent tray.

So I'm guessing it's the main tub bearing, which repair clinic sells for
$20 but says it is a "very difficult" repair due to the amount of
disassembly required. From pictures, the bearing sits in a heavy plastic
"rear drum" but from the smoke I'm guessing maybe it's melted. Will try
to open it up tomorrow. The rear drum with bearing is NLA.

Assuming it's not worth it or possible to repair, any recommendations on
replacement?  I've found that GE is highly rated but my last GE
appliance (refrigerator) was a disaster so I had been thinking I would
never buy the brand again.

Was pretty happy with this LG washer until now, I guess 10 years is a
reasonable lifespan.

Glanced at Miele and Bosch but they are very expensive and seem to be
much lower capacity. 2.5 cu. ft. compared to 4.5 or 5 cu. ft. for LG,
Samsung, or GE models.

Allan

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