[MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[Fredd]

I told my two sons when they reached the age of 21, that they were 
considered adults and responsable for their own live.

That included to move out and support them selves.
They did and became very responsble and thanked me later for the advice.

I do not agree with OK Don that live begins when the dog dies.
Just a few weeks ago I lost my 16 year old best friend, a Jack Russell.

Fredd



Kids actually leave home??  Ever?? ;))


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM, OK Don  wrote:


"Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies."

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over 
> a

> nuke fire.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>
>> Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?
>>
>> I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout
the
>> day.:)
>>
>> Walt
>>



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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[OK Don]

Knocking on wood - so far!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:10 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Kids actually leave home??  Ever?? ;))
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > "Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies."
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas <
> > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over
> a
> > > nuke fire.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> > >
> > >> Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?
> > >>
> > >> I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout
> > the
> > >> day.:)
> > >>
> > >> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[G Mann]

Kids actually leave home??  Ever?? ;))


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> "Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies."
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a
> > nuke fire.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> >
> >> Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?
> >>
> >> I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout
> the
> >> day.:)
> >>
> >> Walt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[David Bruckmann]

There are thousands of cars in CA running around with no plates because it 
takes the DMV three months to print them. Ridiculous. I couldn't believe it 
when I got here. The car dealers just put their branded plate substitute in 
place of the real thing. 

Yet in 30 years of driving and plenty of times with questionable plates, 
California is also the only place in the world where I've been pulled over for 
having an expired sticker, naturally at night during the trip home from buying 
the W115 300D. 

In fact the sticker had been paid but not applied by the PO (cop looked it up 
in the computer), so he let me off. I'd have been better not to have had plates 
on at all!

On 2012-04-06, at 18:27, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[David Bruckmann]

There are thousands of cars in CA running around with no plates because it 
takes the DMV three months to print them. Ridiculous. I couldn't believe it 
when I got here. The car dealers just put their branded plate substitute in 
place of the real thing. 

Yet in 30 years of driving and plenty of times with questionable plates, 
California is also the only place in the world where I've been pulled over for 
having an expired sticker, naturally at night during the trip home from buying 
the W115 300D. 

In fact the sticker had been paid but not applied by the PO (cop looked it up 
in the computer), so he let me off. I'd have been better not to have had plates 
on at all!

On 2012-04-06, at 18:27, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[OK Don]

"Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies."

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a
> nuke fire.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>
>> Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?
>>
>> I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the
>> day.:)
>>
>> Walt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[Rich Thomas]

I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a 
nuke fire.


--R

On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?

I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the
day.:)

Walt


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[Craig]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:00:50 -0400 "Rusty Cullens" 
wrote:

> My daughter just got a new Border Collie puppy. He is pretty cool.

Neat.

We no longer have a puppy; Ori is 6.5 years now.

Going along with the tangent and the original subject, very aggravating,
we have some new neighbors who have been next door about a year. They
have four noisy dogs. I've gone over and asked if there were anything we
could do to convince the dogs that we belong over in our yard, but was
told if I ignored it, the dogs would get tired of making noise. Sure.
Meanwhile, the dogs growl at us like they would bite us if they got a
chance.

We called Animal Control last Friday. It hadn't been quieter until late
this morning. We'll see how it goes. The neighbors on the other side of
the dogs are having some yard work done in their back yard, so the people
with the dogs are probably keeping close tabs on them. It will be
interesting to see if the quiet keeps up after the yard work is done.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[G Mann]

Since the death row in every state [or life with extreme circumstances, for
those who don't have "death"] is full to overflowing, should there also be
a daytime version?  We would after have a nearly endless supply of
"contestants".

I understand the Oprah network is struggling for ratings, maybe she would
like to pick up the daytime version, morning show and afternoon "nap time"
slot?

Sick and Twisted... the new replacement for "Judge Judy" watch
civilization slide in three 15 minute segments 3 times a day.  I think we
are onto something here...

Charlie Sheen / Lindsey Lohan 2012  "The country is going to hell,
elect a team that knows the way"
[Need the right politics to pull off the government grant you know]
; )`)

Grant... [who is bored with all this 'slap on the wrist' justice system and
wants better bread and circuses at the Colosseum, come on Hollywood, grow a
set]
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat
>> and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice.
>>
>> I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism
>> it would be like the "suvivor show" or "reality TV" in about a month with
>> ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host
>> slot or Simon Whatzname.
>>
>> Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors?  Maybe Depends and some good Pharm
>> company for anti psychotics.
>>
>> Sorry, have to go throw up now,  Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a
>> good anti nausea med.
>>
>> All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some
>> government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)')
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead
>>>  animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower.  It is
>>>  environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an
>>>  entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting
>>> with
>>>
>>  > s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant)
>>  >
>>
>
>
> You are sick and twisted.  (TV Show) Great post!
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[Rusty Cullens]

My daughter just got a new Border Collie puppy. He is pretty cool.

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On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?

I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the
day. :)

Walt
On Apr 11, 2012 8:44 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat
>> and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice.
>>
>> I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to
sensationalism
>> it would be like the "suvivor show" or "reality TV" in about a month with
>> ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host
>> slot or Simon Whatzname.
>>
>> Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors?  Maybe Depends and some good Pharm
>> company for anti psychotics.
>>
>> Sorry, have to go throw up now,  Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a
>> good anti nausea med.
>>
>> All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some
>> government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)')
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead
>>>  animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower.  It
is
>>>  environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an
>>>  entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting
>>> with
>>>
>>  > s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant)
>>  >
>>
>
>
> You are sick and twisted.  (TV Show) Great post!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents...

[Walt Zarnoch]

Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors?

I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the
day. :)

Walt
On Apr 11, 2012 8:44 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat
>> and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice.
>>
>> I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism
>> it would be like the "suvivor show" or "reality TV" in about a month with
>> ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host
>> slot or Simon Whatzname.
>>
>> Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors?  Maybe Depends and some good Pharm
>> company for anti psychotics.
>>
>> Sorry, have to go throw up now,  Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a
>> good anti nausea med.
>>
>> All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some
>> government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)')
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead
>>>  animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower.  It is
>>>  environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an
>>>  entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting
>>> with
>>>
>>  > s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant)
>>  >
>>
>
>
> You are sick and twisted.  (TV Show) Great post!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat
and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice.

I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism
it would be like the "suvivor show" or "reality TV" in about a month with
ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host
slot or Simon Whatzname.

Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors?  Maybe Depends and some good Pharm
company for anti psychotics.

Sorry, have to go throw up now,  Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a
good anti nausea med.

All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some
government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)')

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead
 animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower.  It is
 environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an
 entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with

 > s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant)
 >



You are sick and twisted.  (TV Show) Great post!

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[G Mann]

I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat
and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice.

I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism
it would be like the "suvivor show" or "reality TV" in about a month with
ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host
slot or Simon Whatzname.

Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors?  Maybe Depends and some good Pharm
company for anti psychotics.

Sorry, have to go throw up now,  Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a
good anti nausea med.

All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some
government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)')

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead
> animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower.  It is
> environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an
> entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with
> s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant)
>
>
>  The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
>> of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
>> death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
>> proven so.
>>
>> If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that
>> public
>> test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?
>>
>> [Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
>> concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
>> presented.
>>
>> Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>>   I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
  Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
  witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
  wrenching scenes.



   So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to
>>> come. The
>>>  wood chipper scene against the snow.
>>>
>>>  Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for 
dead animals.  Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little 
slower.  It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled 
into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four 
letter word starting with s.  (tongue in cheek to the same extent as 
Grant)




The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
proven so.

If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public
test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?

[Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
presented.

Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


 On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


 I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
 Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
 witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
 wrenching scenes.




 So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The
 wood chipper scene against the snow.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[andrew strasfogel]

Yep.  That's our go-to show, along with masterpiece Theatre.

<>



On 4/10/12, OK Don  wrote:
> I think you're right, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:
>
>> I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, "j...@windwireless.net"
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates
>> > (also
>> >> without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with
>> >> no
>> >> permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
>> >
>> > State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the
>> > front
>> > seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.
>> > _Concealing_
>> > it was the crime, not the having of it...
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[OK Don]

I think you're right, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:

> I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, "j...@windwireless.net" 
> wrote:
>
> >> That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates
> > (also
> >> without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
> >> permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
> >
> > State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
> > seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.
> > _Concealing_
> > it was the crime, not the having of it...
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[OK Don]

The wood chipper scene snow globe was selling at a premium on fleabay a few
years ago - quite the collectors item.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
> of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
> death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
> proven so.
>
> If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public
> test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?
>
> [Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
> concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
> presented.
>
> Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
>
> > On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
> >> Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
> >> witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
> >> wrenching scenes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come.
> The
> > wood chipper scene against the snow.
> >
> > Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[OK Don]

True - used to be that way here also. Remember gun racks in the back
windows of ALL the pickups?

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net  wrote:

> >That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates
> (also
> >without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
> >permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
>
> State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
> seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.
> _Concealing_
> it was the crime, not the having of it...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Scott Ritchey]

Laws do indeed vary by state.  

In NC, anyone who can legally own a handgun can carry it in their car
provided it is either in plain sight or inaccessible (like in the trunk).
Still, if stopped by a cop it's a good idea to call it to his/her attention
or even put it on the dash (and keep your hands on the wheel or window).  

Don't try that in Illinois or most other liberal strongholds. 


>  State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
>  seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.  
>  _Concealing_
>  it was the crime, not the having of it...
>
>  -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

First time I saw it I found it disturbing. Second time, not so much.

Now I appreciate it as truly dark. I can watch the chipper scene, but not 
without wincing.

BTW, has anyone seen William H. Macy on Showtime in "Shameless?" Its a great 
show.

Dan

On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> 
> A bit of an odd movie. The deranged killer was just disposing of a body so I 
> guess we can sort of understand that side of it. It was not like the police 
> used it to get rid of the bad guy.
> 
> Got to love Margie.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 10/04/2012 11:00 AM, G Mann wrote:
>> The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
>> of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
>> death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
>> proven so.
>> 
>> If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public
>> test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?
>> 
>> [Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
>> concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
>> presented.
>> 
>> Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
 I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
 Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
 witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
 wrenching scenes.
 
 
 
>>> So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The
>>> wood chipper scene against the snow.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Randy Bennell]

A bit of an odd movie. The deranged killer was just disposing of a body 
so I guess we can sort of understand that side of it. It was not like 
the police used it to get rid of the bad guy.


Got to love Margie.

Randy

On 10/04/2012 11:00 AM, G Mann wrote:

The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
proven so.

If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public
test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?

[Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
presented.

Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
wrenching scenes.




So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The
wood chipper scene against the snow.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[G Mann]

The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control
of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on
death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been
proven so.

If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public
test, it is no longer "cruel and unusual" is it?

[Please note the very "tongue in cheek" of these comments] I'm deeply
concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be
presented.

Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
>> Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
>> witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
>> wrenching scenes.
>>
>>
>>
> So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The
> wood chipper scene against the snow.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Randy Bennell]

On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
wrenching scenes.




So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. 
The wood chipper scene against the snow.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[andrew strasfogel]

I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho
Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental
witnesses.  Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach
wrenching scenes.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:
> I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, "j...@windwireless.net"  
> wrote:
>
>>> That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates
>> (also
>>> without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
>>> permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
>>
>> State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
>> seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.
>> _Concealing_
>> it was the crime, not the having of it...
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Peter Hertzing]

I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, "j...@windwireless.net"  
wrote:

>> That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates 
> (also
>> without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
>> permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
> 
> State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
> seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.  
> _Concealing_
> it was the crime, not the having of it...
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[j...@windwireless.net]

>That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates 
(also
>without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
>permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---

State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.  
_Concealing_
it was the crime, not the having of it...

-- Jim

 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Russ Williams]

Not quite true.
Sales tax is paid to the State thru the Local Sheriff Dept who is the 
tax collector

for the state and Parish.
If you buy a vech. in Miss or Ark and paid taxes there you only pay the 
difference

in taxes if your local taxes is more.
If you buy a vech in Texas and tell them you are going to Reg it in 
another state

They will let you skip paying the sales tax. I've done this twice.
You can go to the DMV and get a La Temp tag if you are going to buy a 
car out of state.
Only need the VIN and Sellers Name and Proof of Ins card. But there is a 
caveat to doing that.
It's good for 30 days only. Normally Temp tags from a dealer is good for 
90 days.
When you move to La you have 30 days to Reg your vechs and obtain an La 
Drivers License.
You pay taxes according the Blue Book value. Reg fee is 75 bucks tag fee 
vary depending on

how old the vech is. The fee for my 84 300D is 20 bucks for 2 years.

Russ W.


On 4/9/2012 11:31 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

In Louisiana you pay the sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the
state.  The check is made to the name of the current county sheriff :-)

Brian


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like
the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out
of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase.

Dan

On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano
wrote:


So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
vehicles within MA?


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib

wrote:

Michael Canfield  writes:


MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
impound cars over it.

OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
(so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):

   "Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.

   "Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
state vehicles.

So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
drive it in/through MA legally.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Curt Raymond]

I think you are under the mistaken impression that any of it is related in any 
way to sense...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:23:52 -0600
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So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
vehicles within MA?


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Michael Canfield  writes:
>
> > MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
> > impound cars over it.
>
> OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
> (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):
>
>"Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
> issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.
>
>"Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
> but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
> state vehicles.
>
> So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
> temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
> I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
> drive it in/through MA legally.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Brian Toscano]

In Louisiana you pay the sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the
state.  The check is made to the name of the current county sheriff :-)

Brian


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like
> the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out
> of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase.
>
> Dan
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> > So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
> > vehicles within MA?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Canfield  writes:
> >>
> >>> MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
> >>> impound cars over it.
> >>
> >> OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
> >> (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):
> >>
> >>   "Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
> >>issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.
> >>
> >>   "Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
> >>but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
> >>state vehicles.
> >>
> >> So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
> >> temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
> >> I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
> >> drive it in/through MA legally.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
drive it in/through MA legally.


OK, that's not a full faith and credit problem, it's more like an abusive spouse 
not wanting the victim to seek help elsewhere.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:

MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound
cars over it.


Full faith and credit clause, haul them into federal court and see how they like 
paying a million or so in attorney fees after their final loss at the Supreme 
Court level.


Oh, I forget, government employed criminals never pay anything for violating the 
Constitution, their taxpayers foot the bill. But, just like in Chicago, they 
deserve it for electing the jackasses in the first place.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Dan Penoff]

Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like the 
WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out of state 
if you establish residency within six months of the purchase.

Dan

On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano  wrote:

> So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
> vehicles within MA?
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
>> Michael Canfield  writes:
>> 
>>> MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
>>> impound cars over it.
>> 
>> OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
>> (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):
>> 
>>   "Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
>>issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.
>> 
>>   "Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
>>but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
>>state vehicles.
>> 
>> So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
>> temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
>> I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
>> drive it in/through MA legally.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

[Brian Toscano]

lobbyists who influence the politicians too.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state
>> wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on
>> anyone who buys a newer car.
>> Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you
>> register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the
>> type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that
>> is 20 years old.
>>
>> Hendrik
>> who hates paying for rego
>>
>
> WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. Why
> does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group?
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Brian Toscano]

So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
vehicles within MA?


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Michael Canfield  writes:
>
> > MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
> > impound cars over it.
>
> OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
> (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):
>
>"Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
> issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.
>
>"Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
> but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
> state vehicles.
>
> So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
> temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
> I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
> drive it in/through MA legally.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Allan Streib]

Michael Canfield  writes:

> MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
> impound cars over it.

OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
(so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):

"Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
 issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.

"Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
 but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
 state vehicles.

So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
drive it in/through MA legally.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Michael Canfield]

MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound
cars over it.

Mike
On Apr 8, 2012 11:34 AM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed
> > to stop such BS.  But our legislators cant read, and the courts
> > believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they
> > can't read either.)  The really like sure rea law, because they could
> > knock of f anyone they don't like under that.
> >
>
> I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary
> registration from another state.
>
> The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is
> claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case.
>
> What you might need to be asking about is a "transport permit" or
> some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are
> not the most creative folk.  Also don't expect them to know the rules,
> if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer
> questions incorrectly.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

[Dieselhead]

Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the 
state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an 
extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car.
Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you 
register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based 
on the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same 
as one that is 20 years old.


Hendrik
who hates paying for rego


WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. 
Why does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group?

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

Bingo!  Brian gets a prize!


Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun,
they're probably going make it hard to drive :-)


Or if it is a "blue state" they most likely make it hard to drive.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[G Mann]

Here in Arizona, you can buy the temp registration online for $2.00, good
for 3 days. If you want/need longer there is a 45 day temp registration for
about $25.00 that you have to go to DMV and ask for. They are usually used
for out of state cars that need a little delay in getting title sorted out
or for new cars that need time to get all the dealer docs processed before
issue of license.

I'm stunned at how the East is shot full of overkill and paperwork. Don't
the folks back east know how to vote this stuff out?

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> That is just so weird, sure over here getting a temporary registration for
> an un-registered car is a bit more complicated than buying a registered car
> but quite do able with a visit to the car rego place.
> Why would a state want to miss out on a few dollars (temp rego is
> relatively expensive) and the end result being that a vehicle shipper gets
> some business.
>
> Hendrik
> who lives in a civilised country with mostly sensible rules
>
> On 09/04/12 01:04, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com**>  writes:
>>
>>  Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed
>>> to stop such BS.  But our legislators cant read, and the courts
>>> believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they
>>> can't read either.)  The really like sure rea law, because they could
>>> knock of f anyone they don't like under that.
>>>
>>>  I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary
>> registration from another state.
>>
>> The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is
>> claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case.
>>
>> What you might need to be asking about is a "transport permit" or
>> some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are
>> not the most creative folk.  Also don't expect them to know the rules,
>> if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer
>> questions incorrectly.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Hendrik & Fay]

That is just so weird, sure over here getting a temporary registration 
for an un-registered car is a bit more complicated than buying a 
registered car but quite do able with a visit to the car rego place.
Why would a state want to miss out on a few dollars (temp rego is 
relatively expensive) and the end result being that a vehicle shipper 
gets some business.


Hendrik
who lives in a civilised country with mostly sensible rules

On 09/04/12 01:04, Allan Streib wrote:

Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  writes:


Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed
to stop such BS.  But our legislators cant read, and the courts
believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they
can't read either.)  The really like sure rea law, because they could
knock of f anyone they don't like under that.


I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary
registration from another state.

The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is
claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case.

What you might need to be asking about is a "transport permit" or
some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are
not the most creative folk.  Also don't expect them to know the rules,
if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer
questions incorrectly.

Allan




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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

[Hendrik & Fay]

Sounds like a rip off to me, unless the remainder of the rego is 
transferable to the new owner.
How do they get away with it? Wonder how much money they make out of 
duplicate registrations on vehicles?


Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state 
wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on 
anyone who buys a newer car.
Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you 
register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on 
the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one 
that is 20 years old.


Hendrik
who hates paying for rego

On 08/04/12 23:30, Brian Toscano wrote:

Refunds are not common but some states do/did issue them.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the
registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid.

Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual
registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee.
If you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of
dollars each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years.

I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do.






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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun,
they're probably going make it hard to drive :-)


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East.
> But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> t'other side.
>>
>>
>>  Florida is South of the mountains.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety

>  inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
>  whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
>  Florida
>  is basically the Northeast without snow).
>
>
>   Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East.
But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> t'other side.
>
>
>  Florida is South of the mountains.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
>>>
  inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
  whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
  Florida
  is basically the Northeast without snow).


   Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed
> to stop such BS.  But our legislators cant read, and the courts
> believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they
> can't read either.)  The really like sure rea law, because they could
> knock of f anyone they don't like under that.
>

I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary
registration from another state.

The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is
claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case.

What you might need to be asking about is a "transport permit" or
some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are
not the most creative folk.  Also don't expect them to know the rules,
if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer
questions incorrectly.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> Indiana used to do the excise tax thing, based on the value of the car
> - I don't think they do it anymore

They do, but it's less of a hit than in the past.

It *is* deductible on your federal itemized deductions, as a small
offset as well.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Curt Raymond]

Bit of a joke there by an independent minded New Englander.

I was on a tractor forum one time when gay marriage was legalized here in MA. 
Of course tractor forums are very conservative and somebody posted "What are 
they doing in MA?" to which I responded "Whatever the hell we please. Now get 
your dammed nose out of it!"

-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:18:34 -0600
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I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm
talking about the whole region in general.  I think those states just been
around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their
bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster.



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> > Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia
>
> So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth?
>
>
> Craig
>

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

In Florida any state LEO can do a VIN verification - I had one of our school 
district security guys do one once for me!  We also have community resource 
officers in the county who will do it at their leisure, all you have to do is 
call their office and ask them to come by.  That's how I got the 300E done, as 
I wasn't driving it and I needed the VIN verified to get it titled and tagged.

Indiana used to do the excise tax thing, based on the value of the car - I 
don't think they do it anymore, as I don't recall getting gouged on our cars 
when I lived there a few yard ago. Back in the day when I was growing up there, 
I never owned anything new enough to get dinged with the fees - I was always at 
the bottom of the table, so I think I paid something like $25 for my tags.

Dan

 
On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

> I had to go to the state snooper's cop shop (70 miles away) for a VIN 
> verification when I took a vehicle into WI to license.  at the time WI was 
> something like $25 a yr for license.  The next year they changed to something 
> like $90 a year flat  rate.  At the same time, I was paying $13 or $16 a year 
> for MB 110 Diesels in a joining state, based on depreciation.  A new car was 
> hundreds there for license, but I took advantage of the depreciated rate by 
> driving mostly old vehicles.
> 
> 
> 
>> Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the 
>> DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin.
>> 
>> Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's 
>> political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navigate if 
>> you had anything out of the ordinary.
>> 
>> As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it is when 
>> the title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's Florida car or 
>> a new car, VIN verification is not required.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Brian Toscano  wrote:
>> 
>>> Florida is South of the mountains.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
> inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
> whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
> Florida
> is basically the Northeast without snow).
> 
> 
 Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[WILTON]

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating


Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer 
is also responsible for collecting all fees at the time of sale, which are 
forwarded to the DMV for processing.


This can be problematic, as the last car I bought the dealer did not 
forward the fees in a timely manner and my paper plate expired. I reported 
this to the DMV, they issued my new plates on the spot since I had a 
receipt for the fees, and the dealer got a nice $500 fine for holding back 
my fees.


Ouch!

Dan

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to
the favor of stealers.  Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at
the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the "new"
vehicle.  As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car
after you sell a car to transfer plates.  It is illegal to move a
plate to a car before the old one is sold.  Makes no difference if is
not being used or if it is junked.  No dice.

The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in
and got a refund.  It was completely independent of purchasing.  When
you purchased a vehicle, you bought a plate.  clean and simple.

Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate.

In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as
long as you had a bill of sale within 10 days.  Not sure if that
still is true.



SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags

LarryT


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer is 
also responsible for collecting all fees at the time of sale, which are 
forwarded to the DMV for processing.

This can be problematic, as the last car I bought the dealer did not forward 
the fees in a timely manner and my paper plate expired. I reported this to the 
DMV, they issued my new plates on the spot since I had a receipt for the fees, 
and the dealer got a nice $500 fine for holding back my fees.

Ouch!

Dan

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to 
>the favor of stealers.  Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at 
>the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the "new" 
>vehicle.  As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car 
>after you sell a car to transfer plates.  It is illegal to move a 
>plate to a car before the old one is sold.  Makes no difference if is 
>not being used or if it is junked.  No dice.
>
>The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in 
>and got a refund.  It was completely independent of purchasing.  When 
>you purchased a vehicle, you bought a plate.  clean and simple.
>
>Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate.
>
>In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as 
>long as you had a bill of sale within 10 days.  Not sure if that 
>still is true.
>
>
>>SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags
>>
>>LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

Quite a few places, you cant do anything relating to the gummit after 
4 pm ANY day.



True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a 
Saturday afternoon?


I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any 
state I have lived in to-date.


Dan

Michael Canfield  wrote:


Those "private companies" in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth
and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business.  They take your
paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to
go to Hburg to do it yourself.  Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in
most states in minutes.


 >Mike
 >


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

I had to go to the state snooper's cop shop (70 miles away) for a VIN 
verification when I took a vehicle into WI to license.  at the time 
WI was something like $25 a yr for license.  The next year they 
changed to something like $90 a year flat  rate.  At the same time, I 
was paying $13 or $16 a year for MB 110 Diesels in a joining state, 
based on depreciation.  A new car was hundreds there for license, but 
I took advantage of the depreciated rate by driving mostly old 
vehicles.




Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far 
as the DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better 
was Wisconsin.


Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the 
governor's political party) and California was a total nightmare to 
try and navigate if you had anything out of the ordinary.


As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it 
is when the title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's 
Florida car or a new car, VIN verification is not required.


Dan

Brian Toscano  wrote:


Florida is South of the mountains.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety

 inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
 whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
 Florida
 is basically the Northeast without snow).



 Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a Saturday 
afternoon?

I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any state I have 
lived in to-date.

Dan

Michael Canfield  wrote:

>Those "private companies" in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth
>and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business.  They take your
>paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to
>go to Hburg to do it yourself.  Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in
>most states in minutes.
>
>Mike
>On Apr 8, 2012 9:36 AM, "Tony Wirtel"  wrote:
>
>> te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400
>> > From: Dan Penoff  
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
>> > Message-ID: <067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >
>> > That doesn't make a lot of sense.
>> >
>> > I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV
>> branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime.  I asked them how I
>> should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know.  The catch-22
>> regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they
>> didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current
>> laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or
>> your possession.  Duh.
>> >
>> > I called PA and they were equally clueless.  It wasn't until we were at
>> the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up.
>> >
>> > Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing.  For
>> certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain
>> types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or
>> the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the
>> state capital by mail.  And it's quite common for the people who are
>> actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something
>> they're responsible for.
>> I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used
>> to cost 15 or 20 bucks.  It seems someone in the state had a brilliant
>> eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack
>> out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times.  And if I was
>> Dan I would've said the heck with it too.
>> Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the
>> heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the
>> old structure.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Wirtel
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the DMV 
is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin.

Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's 
political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navigate if 
you had anything out of the ordinary.

As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it is when the 
title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's Florida car or a new 
car, VIN verification is not required.

Dan 

Brian Toscano  wrote:

>Florida is South of the mountains.
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
>>> inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
>>> whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
>>> Florida
>>> is basically the Northeast without snow).
>>>
>>>
>> Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

t'other side.



Florida is South of the mountains.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety

 inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
 whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
 Florida
 is basically the Northeast without snow).



 Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to 
the favor of stealers.  Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at 
the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the "new" 
vehicle.  As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car 
after you sell a car to transfer plates.  It is illegal to move a 
plate to a car before the old one is sold.  Makes no difference if is 
not being used or if it is junked.  No dice.


The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in 
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Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate.

In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as 
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still is true.




SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags

LarryT


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm
talking about the whole region in general.  I think those states just been
around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their
bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster.



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> > Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia
>
> So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

Florida is South of the mountains.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
>> inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
>> whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
>> Florida
>> is basically the Northeast without snow).
>>
>>
> Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Brian Toscano]

Refunds are not common but some states do/did issue them.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the
> registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid.
>
> Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual
> registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee.
> If you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of
> dollars each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years.
>
> I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do.
>
> Dan
>
> Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
>
> >No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a memorandum
> >of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. Within the
> >federal law there is a section that states that a state cannot hamper
> >free trade, this is a simplification of the law but it's purpose is to
> >stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products from another state.
> >Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in the
> >respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused portion and
> >then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the purchase price, which
> >is stated on the ownership transfer form.
> >
> >Hendrik
> >who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation
> >
> >On 08/04/12 12:06, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >> Hendrik,
> >>
> >> The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state
> governments here when it comes to regulating commerce within their
> respective state.  You have federal laws governing such things, where in
> our case they are controlled by the individual states.
> >>
> >> Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of
> vehicles, and it's a very complex thing.  Part of the problem originates
> from the fact that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each
> state, so they guard their individual processes very closely.
> >>
> >> For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal
> resident of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of
> becoming a state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal
> to what would be charged by the respective state.
> >>
> >> For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to
> Florida within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to
> register the car in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the
> difference (if any) between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the
> sales tax in Florida.  If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%,
> I would have to pay Florida the 2% difference when I register the car there.
> >>
> >> This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Larry T]

SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags

LarryT

On 4/8/2012 9:36 AM, Tony Wirtel wrote:

te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400

From: Dan Penoff
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That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch 
there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime.  I asked them how I should deal 
with the purchase and they really didn't know.  The catch-22 regarding 
temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how 
you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a 
temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession.  
Duh.

I called PA and they were equally clueless.  It wasn't until we were at the 
title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up.

Dan



Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing.  For 
certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain 
types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the 
state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state 
capital by mail.  And it's quite common for the people who are actively 
involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're 
responsible for.
I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to 
cost 15 or 20 bucks.  It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka 
moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state 
people by raising the fee by five or six times.  And if I was Dan I would've 
said the heck with it too.
Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck 
with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old 
structure.



Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Michael Canfield]

Those "private companies" in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth
and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business.  They take your
paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to
go to Hburg to do it yourself.  Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in
most states in minutes.

Mike
On Apr 8, 2012 9:36 AM, "Tony Wirtel"  wrote:

> te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400
> > From: Dan Penoff  
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
> > Message-ID: <067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > That doesn't make a lot of sense.
> >
> > I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV
> branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime.  I asked them how I
> should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know.  The catch-22
> regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they
> didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current
> laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or
> your possession.  Duh.
> >
> > I called PA and they were equally clueless.  It wasn't until we were at
> the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up.
> >
> > Dan
>
>
>
> Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing.  For
> certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain
> types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or
> the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the
> state capital by mail.  And it's quite common for the people who are
> actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something
> they're responsible for.
> I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used
> to cost 15 or 20 bucks.  It seems someone in the state had a brilliant
> eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack
> out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times.  And if I was
> Dan I would've said the heck with it too.
> Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the
> heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the
> old structure.
>
>
>
> Tony Wirtel
>
> Former '92 300e/2.6
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Curt Raymond]

One of the things that people not from here don't realize is that the 
"Northeast" is New York and SOUTH to Virginia.


North of New York is New England, NOT the same thing.

Aroostook County, Maine is a whole different thing entirely. Look up the 
bloodless war of Aroostook secession...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:49:26 -0600
From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Message-ID: <20120407214926.0b997649.diese...@pisquared.net>
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano 
wrote:

> Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia

So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Curt Raymond]

Actually a lot of what I'm seeing here makes me think the New England states 
are pretty civilized. When I bought my '83 240D I paid upfront, they sent me 
the title, I got plates, took the bus to NJ and drove the car back to MA, very 
simple.

All this fluff about needing to see the car to prove the VIN got taken care of 
7 days later when I got the car inspected. The inspection stations here are 
quite un-corrupt. Even back when I had a bought and paid for inspection station 
there were things I couldn't have done, rule #1 was that paperwork had to be in 
order...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:07:37 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Message-ID: 
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>NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
>go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
>the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
>we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
>tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
>it, you're in trouble.
>
>Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
>technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
>catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
>very similar car, you can get away with it.
>
>But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
>during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
>before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
>days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
>another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
>of insurance), but nothing for people in state.
>
>Jaime

Guess I am lucky.  The one time i got a car from east of the 
Appalachians, It didn't run so I had no choice but to pay to have it 
hauled .

Seems beat to avoid buying cars from East of the Appalachians, as 
whacko state laws originate there or Kalyfornya

I still liked my old system, with old cars that had the serial number 
plate screwed on:  I swapped the plates and TYP plate, (before VIN) 
and never told the insco.  Same car.just changed color...

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Tony Wirtel]

te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff  
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
> Message-ID: <067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> That doesn't make a lot of sense.
>
> I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV 
> branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime.  I asked them how I 
> should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know.  The catch-22 
> regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they 
> didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current 
> laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your 
> possession.  Duh.
>
> I called PA and they were equally clueless.  It wasn't until we were at the 
> title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up.
>
> Dan



Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing.  For 
certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain 
types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the 
state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state 
capital by mail.  And it's quite common for the people who are actively 
involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're 
responsible for. 
I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to 
cost 15 or 20 bucks.  It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka 
moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state 
people by raising the fee by five or six times.  And if I was Dan I would've 
said the heck with it too.  
Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck 
with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old 
structure.



Tony Wirtel

Former '92 300e/2.6

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Dan Penoff]

No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the registration 
expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid.

Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual 
registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee. If 
you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of dollars 
each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years.

I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do.

Dan

Hendrik & Fay  wrote:

>No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a memorandum 
>of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. Within the 
>federal law there is a section that states that a state cannot hamper 
>free trade, this is a simplification of the law but it's purpose is to 
>stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products from another state.
>Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in the 
>respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused portion and 
>then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the purchase price, which 
>is stated on the ownership transfer form.
>
>Hendrik
>who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation
>
>On 08/04/12 12:06, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Hendrik,
>>
>> The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state 
>> governments here when it comes to regulating commerce within their 
>> respective state.  You have federal laws governing such things, where in our 
>> case they are controlled by the individual states.
>>
>> Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of 
>> vehicles, and it's a very complex thing.  Part of the problem originates 
>> from the fact that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each 
>> state, so they guard their individual processes very closely.
>>
>> For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal 
>> resident of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of 
>> becoming a state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal to 
>> what would be charged by the respective state.
>>
>> For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to 
>> Florida within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to 
>> register the car in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the 
>> difference (if any) between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the 
>> sales tax in Florida.  If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%, I 
>> would have to pay Florida the 2% difference when I register the car there.
>>
>> This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Michael Canfield]

You can go to the insurance company but here in NY the insurance does not
take effect until the temporary cards are scanned into the dmv computer
when you register the car.

Mike
On Apr 7, 2012 11:34 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
>> inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
>> whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that
>> Florida
>> is basically the Northeast without snow).
>>
>>
> Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano 
wrote:

> Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia

So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida
is basically the Northeast without snow).



Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Dieselhead]

Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed 
to stop such BS.  But our legislators cant read, and the courts 
believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because 
they can't read either.)  The really like sure rea law, because they 
could knock of f anyone they don't like under that.



No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a 
memorandum of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. 
Within the federal law there is a section that states that a state 
cannot hamper free trade, this is a simplification of the law but 
it's purpose is to stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products 
from another state.
Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in 
the respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused 
portion and then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the 
purchase price, which is stated on the ownership transfer form.


Hendrik
who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation



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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

California likes cars but hates polluters.  So there are no safety
inspections and no strict tag requirements.  Reserve your judgement of
whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida
is basically the Northeast without snow).



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
>> go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
>> the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
>> we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
>> tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
>> it, you're in trouble.
>>
>> Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
>> technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
>> catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
>> very similar car, you can get away with it.
>>
>> But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
>> during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
>> before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
>> days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
>> another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
>> of insurance), but nothing for people in state.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>
> Guess I am lucky.  The one time i got a car from east of the Appalachians,
> It didn't run so I had no choice but to pay to have it hauled .
>
> Seems beat to avoid buying cars from East of the Appalachians, as whacko
> state laws originate there or Kalyfornya
>
> I still liked my old system, with old cars that had the serial number
> plate screwed on:  I swapped the plates and TYP plate, (before VIN) and
> never told the insco.  Same car.just changed color...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dieselhead]

NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
it, you're in trouble.

Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
very similar car, you can get away with it.

But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
of insurance), but nothing for people in state.

Jaime


Guess I am lucky.  The one time i got a car from east of the 
Appalachians, It didn't run so I had no choice but to pay to have it 
hauled .


Seems beat to avoid buying cars from East of the Appalachians, as 
whacko state laws originate there or Kalyfornya


I still liked my old system, with old cars that had the serial number 
plate screwed on:  I swapped the plates and TYP plate, (before VIN) 
and never told the insco.  Same car.just changed color...


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Hendrik & Fay]

No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a memorandum 
of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. Within the 
federal law there is a section that states that a state cannot hamper 
free trade, this is a simplification of the law but it's purpose is to 
stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products from another state.
Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in the 
respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused portion and 
then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the purchase price, which 
is stated on the ownership transfer form.


Hendrik
who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation

On 08/04/12 12:06, Dan Penoff wrote:

Hendrik,

The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state governments 
here when it comes to regulating commerce within their respective state.  You 
have federal laws governing such things, where in our case they are controlled 
by the individual states.

Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of vehicles, 
and it's a very complex thing.  Part of the problem originates from the fact 
that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each state, so they 
guard their individual processes very closely.

For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal resident 
of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of becoming a 
state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal to what would be 
charged by the respective state.

For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to Florida 
within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to register the car 
in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the difference (if any) 
between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the sales tax in Florida.  
If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%, I would have to pay Florida 
the 2% difference when I register the car there.

This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Dan Penoff]

Hendrik,

The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state governments 
here when it comes to regulating commerce within their respective state.  You 
have federal laws governing such things, where in our case they are controlled 
by the individual states.

Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of vehicles, 
and it's a very complex thing.  Part of the problem originates from the fact 
that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each state, so they 
guard their individual processes very closely.

For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal resident 
of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of becoming a 
state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal to what would be 
charged by the respective state.

For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to Florida 
within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to register the car 
in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the difference (if any) 
between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the sales tax in Florida.  
If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%, I would have to pay Florida 
the 2% difference when I register the car there.

This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be

Dan

On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> This is a bit confusing for me, you're saying you bought a car in one state 
> and then can't drive it home?
> Not sure how that works but over here, I can buy a registered car in any 
> state and then once the rego paper have been signed over have two weeks in 
> which to notify the gov that I am the new owner.
> So in fact I am driving a car which is registered in the old owners name. 
> However on the rego papers you have to specify the date and time of sale, 
> which both parties get a copy of. So if 20 minutes after buying the car I go 
> through a speed trap, the fine will be sent to the PO but he/she can then 
> inform the cops that at the time of the offence they where no longer the 
> registered owners, they will then re-issue a fine and send it to me.
> Buying an unregistered vehicle is a bit more tricky but you can get a 
> temporary permit to drive the vehicle home.
> 
> Hendrik
> who has not a bought a car for a while but is tempted by a S124 200TE with a 
> 5 speed man tran
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

Not to belabor the point, but as described earlier, in Florida you could never 
do this the way you describe.

The only way Florida will allow titling and registration is if the vehicle can 
be physically inspected (VIN verification) by a Florida law enforcement 
officer.  In other words, the car has to be present when you go to title and 
register it. Period.

That's the Catch-22. If the state where you are purchasing the car has no 
provision for issuing a temporary tag, you have no choice but to skirt the law 
and use an existing tag of your own.

This is the way I have done it for years, and while I will admit I was ignorant 
of such laws, I have never had it be an issue, even when I have been stopped.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Larry T wrote:

> a good insurance company they will allow up to 30 days of use before 
> requiring payment for insurance.   to me that''s the most important.  I don't 
> see using another vehicle's plate as a great risk but that's me.
> 
> But to do things properly, get the title, go to your home DMV and get tags - 
> then go get the new car.   It may involve a 2nd trip (1 to buy, another to 
> pick up) but it would be legal.  Except for a state inspection - Va allows 30 
> days to get an inspection before penalties start - I lived in MD for a while 
> (and was happy to leave) - and I know they have an odd state inspection law 
> but I believe they give you 30 days to get the car and paperwork before 
> penalties start.
> 
> Or, if you know/trust the seller, wire the money, have them Fedex the title 
> and get the tags - then get the car.
> 
> But with DMV laws in different states, and the states you would transit, 
> things could be a real PITA.   It's like Concealed carry laws but with more 
> severe penalties...
> 
> You're right about the Land of the Free being a thing of the past -  wish you 
> had been able to get your W124 - they're great cars --
> 
> LarryT
> 91 300D
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2012 2:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long 
>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT 
>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely 
>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to 
>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red 
>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a 
>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very 
>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of 
>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. 
>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will 
>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the 
>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a 
>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square 
>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Hendrik & Fay]

This is a bit confusing for me, you're saying you bought a car in one 
state and then can't drive it home?
Not sure how that works but over here, I can buy a registered car in any 
state and then once the rego paper have been signed over have two weeks 
in which to notify the gov that I am the new owner.
So in fact I am driving a car which is registered in the old owners 
name. However on the rego papers you have to specify the date and time 
of sale, which both parties get a copy of. So if 20 minutes after buying 
the car I go through a speed trap, the fine will be sent to the PO but 
he/she can then inform the cops that at the time of the offence they 
where no longer the registered owners, they will then re-issue a fine 
and send it to me.
Buying an unregistered vehicle is a bit more tricky but you can get a 
temporary permit to drive the vehicle home.


Hendrik
who has not a bought a car for a while but is tempted by a S124 200TE 
with a 5 speed man tran


On 07/04/12 04:24, Rick Knoble wrote:

Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, 
for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in 
the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to 
the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in 
one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive 
laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You 
could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers 
license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an 
impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take 
that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for 
transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV 
will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another 
state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet.

Rick





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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Larry T]

a good insurance company they will allow up to 30 days of use before 
requiring payment for insurance.   to me that''s the most important.  I 
don't see using another vehicle's plate as a great risk but that's me.


But to do things properly, get the title, go to your home DMV and get 
tags - then go get the new car.   It may involve a 2nd trip (1 to buy, 
another to pick up) but it would be legal.  Except for a state 
inspection - Va allows 30 days to get an inspection before penalties 
start - I lived in MD for a while (and was happy to leave) - and I know 
they have an odd state inspection law but I believe they give you 30 
days to get the car and paperwork before penalties start.


Or, if you know/trust the seller, wire the money, have them Fedex the 
title and get the tags - then get the car.


But with DMV laws in different states, and the states you would transit, 
things could be a real PITA.   It's like Concealed carry laws but with 
more severe penalties...


You're right about the Land of the Free being a thing of the past -  
wish you had been able to get your W124 - they're great cars --


LarryT
91 300D


On 4/6/2012 2:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, 
for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in 
the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to 
the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in 
one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive 
laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You 
could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers 
license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an 
impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take 
that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for 
transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV 
will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another 
state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

Cops give out PBA cards to friends and family.  Immediate family can get a
shield for the window.  They make problems go away.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Craig wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:42:37 -0600 Brian Toscano 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA
>>> cards :-)
>>>
>>
>> PBA cards?
>>
>
> Remember when the Catholic Church used to sell indulgences?
> In Jerkski, they're called PBA cards:
> http://www.njspba.com/
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:42:37 -0600 Brian Toscano 
wrote:


I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA
cards :-)


PBA cards?


Remember when the Catholic Church used to sell indulgences?
In Jerkski, they're called PBA cards:
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[clay monroe]

Washington state allows you to use plates that were contemporary to the model 
year of the vehicle.  If you have a 1963 Ford P/U, you can tag it with 1963 
truck plates as a classic car.   No need for anything other than the plate.  Of 
course you can get the new silk screen plate that says it is collector.  My SL 
has only a rear plate (as required by state law) and a 1974 registration tag.  
Only the one tag was ever on the plate.

With all the froo-for-all about idiot laws in other states, will this result in 
my vehicle being impounded or my being tossed into the hoosgow?   Seems to be a 
violation of commerce clause to try to impose your laws on my legally 
registered car from another jurisdiction.  Imagine all the pettiness and 
retribution that would befall the fool state that waded into those waters.



clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
> go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
> the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
> we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
> tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
> it, you're in trouble.
> 
> Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
> technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
> catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
> very similar car, you can get away with it.
> 
> But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
> during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
> before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
> days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
> another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
> of insurance), but nothing for people in state.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been
>> pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale
>> 
>> Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other
>> states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the
>> ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:42:37 -0600 Brian Toscano 
wrote:

> I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA
> cards :-)

PBA cards?


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:42 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

> So these scanners are more than license plate scanners, they are whole car
> scanners that can tell if you have a tag on the wrong car?


Who knows what they have technology wise? I would guess it would be the cops 
call whether to pull over a car that was blue, because the plate came back as a 
car registered as grey. 

http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Technology/Articles/Print/Story/2011/02/New-Developments-In-ALPR.aspx


http://www.technicalelectronics.net/alpr/index.htm

http://www.experiencedcriminallawyers.com/license-plate-scanners-surveillance/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition#

Privacy, it would seem, is a thing of the past. 
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

So these scanners are more than license plate scanners, they are whole car
scanners that can tell if you have a tag on the wrong car?

I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA
cards :-)


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
> go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
> the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
> we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
> tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
> it, you're in trouble.
>
> Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
> technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
> catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
> very similar car, you can get away with it.
>
> But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
> during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
> before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
> days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
> another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
> of insurance), but nothing for people in state.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble 
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been
> > pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale
> >
> > Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other
> > states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan
> the
> > ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Jaime Kopchinski]

NJ is very strict... I've been "involved" in a few situations that didn't
go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly.  In one case,
the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but
we did have insurance, just no proof).  Other times resulted in lots of
tickets, but no impound.  In NJ, the key is insurance.  If you don't have
it, you're in trouble.

Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning
technology.  So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they
catch you just by driving by.  I suppose if you use a valid plate from a
very similar car, you can get away with it.

But I don't take any chances now.  In state, I always arrange to buy cars
during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance
before driving.  Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few
days later after I register it.  Out of state is still difficult.  NJ is
another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof
of insurance), but nothing for people in state.

Jaime


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
>
> > I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been
> pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale
>
> Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other
> states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the
> ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:31 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

> So what are you going to do now?  Fly back to Maryland with an Indiana tag?

Plan A is to have the car shipped back. I have already contracted with a 
shipper, but in my limited experience, these shippers ( who are actually 
brokers I believe) are unreliable. Plan B1 is to have a friend of mine, who is 
unemployed but has access to a dealer tag, fly out and drive it back for a few 
bucks. Plan B2 is fly out with the other Benz tag and drive it home. Plan B3 is 
to up the cost and actually contract with a known good shipper. 

With the feedback I have gotten here, I realize I am not the only one who has 
attempted this feat, just the one who got caught. There is consolation in 
knowing that I am not a complete idiot,  just unlucky. Hopefully, my experience 
will save someone here a whole bunch of aggravation, money, grief, and time 
when they are faced with similar circumstances. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch 
there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime.  I asked them how I should deal 
with the purchase and they really didn't know.  The catch-22 regarding 
temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how 
you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a 
temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession.  
Duh.

I called PA and they were equally clueless.  It wasn't until we were at the 
title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Thats actually where it gets very interesting. When I was going to buy the 
> Quantum from Wonko IA was quite willing to give me a temp tag for an 
> inexpensive price. MA doesn't honor temp tags and in a discussion with a 
> clerk at the RMV I was told I could be pulled over and impounded and hauled 
> off to jail for having temp tags.
> I pointed out that people drive through MA with NH and ME temp tags all the 
> time and the police let them go, she stuck to her guns that it was illegal 
> and those people could go to jail...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:42:33 -0400
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> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> I had no idea it was that big of a deal.
> 
> If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I 
> would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving 
> you're legal.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Curt Raymond]

Thats actually where it gets very interesting. When I was going to buy the 
Quantum from Wonko IA was quite willing to give me a temp tag for an 
inexpensive price. MA doesn't honor temp tags and in a discussion with a clerk 
at the RMV I was told I could be pulled over and impounded and hauled off to 
jail for having temp tags.
I pointed out that people drive through MA with NH and ME temp tags all the 
time and the police let them go, she stuck to her guns that it was illegal and 
those people could go to jail...

-Curt


Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:42:33 -0400
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Dan Penoff wrote:
> I had no idea it was that big of a deal.

If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I 
would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving 
you're legal.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

I never thought about using one from a similar vehicle - I just used a
valid tag that had the same name as my driver's license.

So what are you going to do now?  Fly back to Maryland with an Indiana tag?

Every state has it quirks in registration and titling.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Brian Toscano" 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home
> state
> > of Indiana.
> > Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you have
> > a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.
>
>
> I have a ticket and tow receipt proving that to be a problem.
>
> >  (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
> > and driven it with the title in my possession,
>
> I should've done that. Some police have plate scanners that can scan quite
> a few plates a minute. I would've put a plate on from another Benz 300d,
> just a different year and color. Your average doughnut eater would probably
> not catch that.
>
> > (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out to
> > the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
>
>
> Need a VIN check in Indiana. Got to have the car first.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

I was a long time State Farm customer, and it was my understanding that no 
matter what, when I bought a new car I was automatically covered for 30 days.

When I checked with my Allstate guy (with whom I am insured now) he told me 
that if I was replacing an existing car on the policy the 30 day rule was 
valid.  If I was adding a car to the policy, it was my responsibility to 
contact Allstate upon purchase and the car would be covered.  Coverage would 
not be "automatic" in the case of adding to the policy - only if an existing 
insured vehicle was replaced with another.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Yeah, I was just commenting on what Dan mentioned.  I generally put
> insurance on the car as soon as I can by contacting my carrier.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> 
>> I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc.
>> wouldn't believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may
>> be true, but one needs to take care of certain things for himself;
>> insurance is one of 'em).  I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells
>> me it's covered; might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Toscano" <
>> brian.tosc...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:13 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
>> 
>> 
>> Dan,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws.  The last
>>> time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
>>> covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
>>> them.
>>> 
>>> If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
>>> call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car.  If I was
>>> ever
>>> stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
>>> just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
>>> policy.  Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
>>> can't
>>> cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way.  I believe it is illegal
>>> to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
>>> 
>>> As for temporary tags,
>>> 
>>> I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
>>> required them.
>>> 
>>> In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
>>> on the car.  If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
>>> is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
>>> finalized with the title & tag office - operating under the presumption
>>> better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
>>>> purposely avoiding it.  The two scenarios I have personally used are:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
>>>> days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
>>>> Farm/Allstate.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
>>>> the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
>>>> this.)
>>>> 
>>>> When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
>>>> 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered.  I did have a copy
>>>> of
>>>> my insurance card with me as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

Yeah, I was just commenting on what Dan mentioned.  I generally put
insurance on the car as soon as I can by contacting my carrier.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc.
> wouldn't believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may
> be true, but one needs to take care of certain things for himself;
> insurance is one of 'em).  I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells
> me it's covered; might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Toscano" <
> brian.tosc...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:13 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
>
>
>  Dan,
>>
>> I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws.  The last
>> time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
>> covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
>> them.
>>
>> If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
>> call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car.  If I was
>> ever
>> stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
>> just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
>> policy.  Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
>> can't
>> cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way.  I believe it is illegal
>> to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
>>
>> As for temporary tags,
>>
>> I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
>> required them.
>>
>> In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
>> on the car.  If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
>> is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
>> finalized with the title & tag office - operating under the presumption
>> better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>>  There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
>>> purposely avoiding it.  The two scenarios I have personally used are:
>>>
>>> 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
>>> days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
>>> Farm/Allstate.
>>>
>>> 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
>>> the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
>>> 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered.  I did have a copy
>>> of
>>> my insurance card with me as well.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>> > You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it.  Insurance
>>> > usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano <
>>> brian.tosc...@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home
>>> state
>>> >> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you
>>> have
>>> >> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have
>>> purchased
>>> >> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on
>>> >> it
>>> >> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
>>> previous
>>> >> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out
>>> to
>>> >> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble >> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
>>> long
>>> >>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
>>> do NOT
>>> >>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
>

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:44 AM, "Mike Esh"  wrote:

> Still sober today.


I haven't had a drink in eleven years. I still do stupid things though, like 
attempting to drive 800 miles in a car with no plates. As expensive as this 
Benz and my Benz addiction may be, it is considerably cheaper than some habits 
I have given up. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

> 
>> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home state
> of Indiana.
> Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you have
> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.


I have a ticket and tow receipt proving that to be a problem. 

>  (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
> and driven it with the title in my possession,

I should've done that. Some police have plate scanners that can scan quite a 
few plates a minute. I would've put a plate on from another Benz 300d, just a 
different year and color. Your average doughnut eater would probably not catch 
that. 

> (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out to
> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.


Need a VIN check in Indiana. Got to have the car first. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags?

Indiana requires a VIN check on vehicles purchased out of state. In state, I 
could've gotten a temp tag. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been 
> pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale

Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other 
states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the 
ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[WILTON]

I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc. wouldn't 
believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may be true, 
but one needs to take care of certain things for himself; insurance is one 
of 'em).  I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells me it's covered; 
might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Toscano" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating



Dan,

I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws.  The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.

If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car.  If I was 
ever

stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy.  Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they 
can't

cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way.  I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.

As for temporary tags,

I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.

In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car.  If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title & tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
purposely avoiding it.  The two scenarios I have personally used are:

1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
Farm/Allstate.

2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on 
this.)


When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered.  I did have a copy 
of

my insurance card with me as well.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it.  Insurance
> usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home
state
>> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you
have
>> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have
purchased
>> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on 
>> it

>> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
previous
>> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out
to
>> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
long
>>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
do NOT
>>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
>>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
>>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because
of red
>>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can
use a
>>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one
(very
>>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the
chance of
>>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from 
>>> another

car.
>>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV
will
>>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and
in the
>>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of 
>>> a

>>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to
square
>>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
>>>
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

I would have to go back and check, but if memory serves me correctly, Florida 
gives you 10 days  to register the vehicle.  They don't state a time period for 
titling, but assuming you're registering it as well I would suspect it's 10 
days as well.

All they require is a fully executed bill of sale and a VIN verification by an 
LEO, which they have present at all DMV locations.

If you are an out-of-state resident, purchased a vehicle in Florida and want to 
drive it back home, you are eligible to obtain a temporary license plate for 
"in-transit" purposes. However, proof of insurance (from Florida or home 
state), proof of out of state residency such as a driver license,  and sales 
tax in the amount required by your home state must be paid. If you feel you may 
be eligible for a temporarylicense plate, inquire through the local county tax 
collector's office. 

Your local tax collector is your best source for questions about title and 
registration,  find their contact information here.

If you are not a dealer, but you have acquired another vehicle and transferred 
your license plate from your old vehicle to the new vehicle, a temporary 
license plate may be obtained from the tax collector's office so you may 
demonstrate your old vehicle while it is for sale.

If you are a Florida resident and purchased a vehicle through a private sale, 
you cannot apply for a temporary tag.  You and the current owner need to go to 
the local tax collector's office and transfer the title to your name and 
purchase registration in your name.

This is the conundrum I ran into with the 300E, although I could have dealt 
with it by purchasing a temporary tag from PA, which it appears can be done 
under similar situations in Florida.  The only problem with this is that you 
have to be able to go to a license branch, which limits you to regular business 
hours.  In the case of PA, they have designated places that are open on 
Saturdays to do all the title work, so it was an option when I did it.

You're also paying sales tax in Florida, which will be credited back to your 
state when you register and title the car (Florida does this as well.)  I don't 
think that was the case in PA - I think it was just a straight fee.  If it was 
a tax that I would have got applied to my taxes in Florida, I would have done 
it just for the convenience.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> I had no idea it was that big of a deal.
> 
> If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I 
> would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving 
> you're legal.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

I had no idea it was that big of a deal.


If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I 
would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving 
you're legal.


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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

In ok you have 30 days to transfer the title. It's automatically covered by 
your insurance company even without adding it to your policy as long as you 
have a bill o sale. Half the cars I buy I just come up with a new bill of sale 
every 30 days.

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On Apr 7, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Fred Moir  wrote:

> For three days only and with the consent of your insurer.
> 
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred
> 
> 
> On 4/7/2012 9:58 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on 
>> selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then 
>> be transferred to the new car.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled 
over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale

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On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Brian Toscano  wrote:

> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home state
> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you have
> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have purchased
> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous
> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out to
> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long
>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT
>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red
>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a
>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very
>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of
>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car.
>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will
>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the
>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a
>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square
>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

Dan,

I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws.  The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.

If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car.  If I was ever
stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy.  Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they can't
cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way.  I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.

As for temporary tags,

I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.

In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car.  If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title & tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
> purposely avoiding it.  The two scenarios I have personally used are:
>
> 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
> days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
> Farm/Allstate.
>
> 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
> the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on this.)
>
> When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
> 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered.  I did have a copy of
> my insurance card with me as well.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it.  Insurance
> > usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano  >wrote:
> >
> >> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home
> state
> >> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you
> have
> >> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have
> purchased
> >> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
> >> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
> previous
> >> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out
> to
> >> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble  >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
> long
> >>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
> do NOT
> >>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
> >>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
> >>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because
> of red
> >>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can
> use a
> >>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one
> (very
> >>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the
> chance of
> >>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another
> car.
> >>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV
> will
> >>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and
> in the
> >>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a
> >>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to
> square
> >>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>> Sent from my iPhone.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Dan Penoff]

There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were 
purposely avoiding it.  The two scenarios I have personally used are:

1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30 days to 
notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State Farm/Allstate.

2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify the 
insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on this.)

When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's 800 
number, gave them the details, and I was covered.  I did have a copy of my 
insurance card with me as well.

Dan


On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it.  Insurance
> usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> 
>> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home state
>> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you have
>> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have purchased
>> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
>> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous
>> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out to
>> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long
>>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT
>>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
>>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
>>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red
>>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a
>>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very
>>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of
>>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car.
>>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will
>>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the
>>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a
>>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square
>>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from my iPhone.
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Brian Toscano]

You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it.  Insurance
usually happens first and only requires the VIN.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title & tag it in your home state
> of Indiana.  Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car.  If you have
> a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem.  When I have purchased
> cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it
> and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous
> owners tags, or (c) titled & tagged it when I was at home and flew out to
> the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long
>> story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT
>> live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
>> restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
>> purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red
>> tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a
>> trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very
>> expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of
>> losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car.
>> I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will
>> not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the
>> state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a
>> vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square
>> one, with a much lighter wallet.
>>
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone.
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>>
>
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