Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Of course computers made by apple are personal computers. However the MS/DOS (later wintel) crowd claimed Personal computer to mean a MS/DOS machine upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago. Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few years ago. unfortunate, but that is the way it is. PC means M$ or M$ or *nix Mac means any PC running the Mac os. If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. Kind of like is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? LWB250 wrote: If you are going to go PC, Isn't an Apple a PC? Personal Computer? Some of the first ones were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at $1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to your Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: E76B735634ED4DA198A26538CC6F9A19@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed under small business solutions, and 4 docking stations that range from $85 to $137. I suppose that laptop would work with any of them. Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Gerry, If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend one of the professional level HP laptops. They have an available option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five seconds. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I paid about $700 for a refurb Macbook by watching the website for a couple of weeks. It's indistinguishable from a new one. I wouldn't want to pay much more than that for a PC since I don't use it in a business or do much of anything besides email and searches. Right now I'm checking on the web to see which computers besides Compaqs have card readers. The old Compaqs card reader has been great for downloading pictures from the camera. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at $1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to your Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: E76B735634ED4DA198A26538CC6F9A19@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed under small business solutions, and 4 docking stations that range from $85 to $137. I suppose that laptop would work with any of them. Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Gerry, If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend one of the professional level HP laptops. They have an available option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five seconds. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3872 - Release Date: 09/02/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Refurb Macbook air start at $750 Refurb Macbooks start at $850 Refurb Macbook pros start at $899 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw Macbook air new starts at $999 Macbook pro new starts at $1199 Mac mini new starts at $599 imac new starts at $1199 apple.com/store I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt. I expect it to last a long time. One thing when comparing Mac machines to PC machines is to factor in the useful life. Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer world. Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years for the PC. a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I have long been an advocate of Apple's refurbs. My 15 MacBookPro is a refurb that I bought for several hundred (if not more) off the new price. You can buy a previous generation machine as a refurb and save a substantial amount of coin in the process. Only difference with a refurb from a new is the packaging. A refurb comes in a plain cardboard box rather than retail packaging. Other than that, everything is exactly the same as a new machine. Same accessories, inserts, cables, etc. And refurbs are treated as new equipment, so they have the same warranty and are eligible for AppleCare as well. As both my MBP and 20 iMac are only CoreDuo processors, I will probably be looking to buy replacements in the next year or so. Those will be refurbs when the time comes, too. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I paid about $700 for a refurb Macbook by watching the website for a couple of weeks. It's indistinguishable from a new one. I wouldn't want to pay much more than that for a PC since I don't use it in a business or do much of anything besides email and searches. Right now I'm checking on the web to see which computers besides Compaqs have card readers. The old Compaqs card reader has been great for downloading pictures from the camera. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at $1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to your Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: E76B735634ED4DA198A26538CC6F9A19@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed under small business solutions, and 4 docking stations that range from $85 to $137. I suppose that laptop would work with any of them. Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Gerry, If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend one of the professional level HP laptops. They have an available option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five seconds. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3872 - Release Date: 09/02/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
If you are looking for refurbs, watch carefully and regularly, as the Apple Store inventory changes constantly. Stuff will show up there and be gone in a matter of minutes sometimes. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Refurb Macbook air start at $750 Refurb Macbooks start at $850 Refurb Macbook pros start at $899 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw Macbook air new starts at $999 Macbook pro new starts at $1199 Mac mini new starts at $599 imac new starts at $1199 apple.com/store I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt. I expect it to last a long time. One thing when comparing Mac machines to PC machines is to factor in the useful life. Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer world. Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years for the PC. a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I always say Apple Linux or Windows machine. Walt On Sep 2, 2011 9:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course computers made by apple are personal computers. However the MS/DOS (later wintel) crowd claimed Personal computer to mean a MS/DOS machine upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago. Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few years ago. unfortunate, but that is the way it is. PC means M$ or M$ or *nix Mac means any PC running the Mac os. If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. Kind of like is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? LWB250 wrote: If you are going to go PC, Isn't an Apple a PC? Personal Computer? Some of the first ones were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a BSD-ish flavor) Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
OSx is unix Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2011, at 6:09, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course computers made by apple are personal computers. However the MS/DOS (later wintel) crowd claimed Personal computer to mean a MS/DOS machine upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago. Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few years ago. unfortunate, but that is the way it is. PC means M$ or M$ or *nix Mac means any PC running the Mac os. If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. Kind of like is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? LWB250 wrote: If you are going to go PC, Isn't an Apple a PC? Personal Computer? Some of the first ones were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. Allan Streib wrote: If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a BSD-ish flavor) Not really. Just because I put a OM617 in a Model A doesn't make the car a Mercedes. In the same way, OSX has some BSD at the core, but there is so much junk piled on top it hardly counts as *nix anymore. Ordinary core *nix tools don't even work fully. For example, cp won't copy the resource fork that OSX uses/needs. At least, that was the case last I check. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
All true, but OSX is not known as mac unix, but rather as Mac OSX or OS10. I was referring to privateers who load other flavors of *nix on Mac hardware. On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the industry terminology, so you have to say *nix running on a mac to describe yourself. If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a BSD-ish flavor) Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:01 -0500, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Not really. Just because I put a OM617 in a Model A doesn't make the car a Mercedes. In the same way, OSX has some BSD at the core, but there is so much junk piled on top it hardly counts as *nix anymore. Ordinary core *nix tools don't even work fully. For example, cp won't copy the resource fork that OSX uses/needs. At least, that was the case last I check. Mac OSX is really NEXTSTEP, so you're right, the unix utilities don't understand some of the old classic MacOS oddities like resource forks. I thought I heard that they finally did away with resource forks in Lion or maybe even Leopard. I copy files using 'cp' all the time, I find it much easier than using the Finder and have NEVER had an issue or complaint about resource forks one way or the other. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I thought I heard that they finally did away with resource forks in Lion or maybe even Leopard. Snow Leopard. The first version without a Classic Mode OS 9 virtual machine. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
*Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair. A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac though Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys. If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because you've never used a GOOD PC. The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable and built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5 Mac doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty much all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked... -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:01:45 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: a06240833ca868fc811b8@[172.16.42.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Refurb Macbook air start at $750 Refurb Macbooks start at $850 Refurb Macbook pros start at $899 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw Macbook air new starts at $999 Macbook pro new starts at $1199 Mac mini new starts at $599 imac new starts at $1199 apple.com/store I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt. I expect it to last a long time. One thing when comparing Mac machines to PC machines is to factor in the useful life. Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer world. Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years for the PC. a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Macs may cost more but tend to have higher user satisfaction. I've been issued some pretty Windows laptops at work made by Dell and HP but they were thicker and came with physically massive power supplies that I wouldn't want to carry around very often. My most recent work laptop was a HP that had a fan on the side that would make my coffee warm but would heat up any cold drinks. Never had that kind of problem with my MacBook! Curt - Another downside of G5 worth pointing out 's is they can't run the last two OS releases from Apple - they're stuck on Leopard and can't be upgraded to Snow Leopard or Lion. Brian On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: *Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair. A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac though Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys. If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because you've never used a GOOD PC. The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable and built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5 Mac doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty much all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked... -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:01:45 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: a06240833ca868fc811b8@[172.16.42.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Refurb Macbook air start at $750 Refurb Macbooks start at $850 Refurb Macbook pros start at $899 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw Macbook air new starts at $999 Macbook pro new starts at $1199 Mac mini new starts at $599 imac new starts at $1199 apple.com/store I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt. I expect it to last a long time. One thing when comparing Mac machines to PC machines is to factor in the useful life. Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer world. Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years for the PC. a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
That's not a major issue - I have an iMac G5 that runs Leopard and an Xserve G5 dual processor with a 5TB Xserve RAID that runs Leopard Server. Both are very functional machines and play quite nice with my machines running Snow Leopard (OSX 10.6). No issues with apps, either. Dan From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Curt - Another downside of G5 worth pointing out 's is they can't run the last two OS releases from Apple - they're stuck on Leopard and can't be upgraded to Snow Leopard or Lion. Brian On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: *Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair. A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac though Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys. If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because you've never used a GOOD PC. The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable and built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5 Mac doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty much all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Yes, OSX *is* UNIX as described by the Open Group, owners of the UNIX trademark. In fact, Linux is *not* UNIX as it has never been submitted for certification. Neither is any of the open BSD systems. OSX 10.5 OSX 10.6 AIX 5L AIX 6 Solaris 10 HP-UX 11 This is UNIX 03 certified, and capable of using the UNIX trademark in branding and advertising. Note, OSX 10.7 has not yet been submitted for UNIX certification, so technically Lion is *not* UNIX either. :) EdB On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: OSx is unix -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
summer storms. So far, the laptops haven't been hit like the old desktops were regularly. Not sure if that's coincidence or that laptops are more resistant. Transients thrive on antennae. Laptops, being compact and all wired together to begin with, have less of 'em. Also, since the things are all-in-one they are designed and tested to work together, which means that they pass government-mandated EMI tests. And EMI is the flip side of transient susceptibility, so if you fix one you're nearly automatically in a better position for the other. Desktops, being all strung out and filled with crap made by everybody and his dog, are going to suffer by comparison. Of course, you _can_ make a desktop computer that is largely immune to transients. We used to, you could turn up the ESD machine to the point it was pitting craters in the paint on our gear and it didn't even blink. That was awhile ago, those machines could run CP/M, though that's not what they ran when our customers were using them. I have no idea where one might be found now, except for one of the monitors that I just saw being used as a prop in the arctic ride waiting room at SeaWorld in San Diego! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run. On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Luther's Benzbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended.nbsp;Unless Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day. One screw = access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly, etc. I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :) Dell has consistency problems, seems like a lot of component failures in the first few months (probably only 1% but I hear about a lot of them). That said, once a laptop is working well it seems to work well for a long time, and the vast majority of our Dells are retired for performance rather than failure reasons. Unfortunately I don't know how their end-user support is, all of my personal Dells - including the refurbs - have worked fine through the warranty period. Best, -Tim who kept a Thinkpad A20m for five years just to avoid getting issued an HP :) On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dell doesn't show Precision M4300 laptops. It pulls up M4600 laptops instead. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work machine has been a laptop since 2003... Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15 to the 17 M90. -Curt Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: 3B4077EFEB634F16A7AA865D82ECD872@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim C wrote: I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day. One screw = access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly, etc. I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :) The new high line consumer HPs (dv6, dv7) have a tool free access hatch. Memory, hard drive, network card, etc are under the hatch. Shove the battery latch one way to remove the battery, then shove it the other way to pop the edge of the hatch loose. Takes me less than ten minutes to install a 2nd hard drive in a dv7, including moving the factory drive to the secondary drive bay. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry, If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend one of the professional level HP laptops. They have an available option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five seconds. EdB Das beste Oder nichts. --Gottlieb Daimler On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ed Booher wrote: Don't even need to open, dock has power button. My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button. My idea of a desktop replacement computer: You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up little desk space. You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable. You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are some aftermarket solutions for Apple notebooks that are configured in this manner. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ed Booher wrote: Don't even need to open, dock has power button. My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button. My idea of a desktop replacement computer: You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up little desk space. You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable. You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :) Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run. On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats why we only get Lenovo for our reps. My computer is a R61, have been ordering the X100e and now the X120e for the reps. Great little computers for the size. On 9/1/2011 6:03 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :) Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run. On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:08:47 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ed Booher wrote: Don't even need to open, dock has power button. My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button. My idea of a desktop replacement computer: You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up little desk space. You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable. You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid. As Ed mentioned, my '02 Dell C840 has a docking station and the power-on button is on the side of that. Plus, using the docking station you can get 1920x1200 resolution while plugging a monitor in the back is restricted to 1024x768. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed under small business solutions, and 4 docking stations that range from $85 to $137. I suppose that laptop would work with any of them. Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Gerry, If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend one of the professional level HP laptops. They have an available option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five seconds. EdB Das beste Oder nichts. --Gottlieb Daimler On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LWB250 wrote: If you are going to go PC, Isn't an Apple a PC? Personal Computer? Some of the first ones were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run. Benz Hogs wrote: Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :) Nobody has mentions Panasonic Toughbooks yet... http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/laptop-computers.asp Certainly not the fastest, but it's hard to find any tougher. Their semi-rugged are pretty sturdy, but thefully-ruggedized are nearly indestructible. Try putting anything but a fully rugged laptop in a rain storm, for half an hour, running, with the lid open. I've purchased a couple semi-rugged ones from Bob Johnson's Computer Stuff. http://www.bobjohnson.com/ Panasonic isn't the only maker, but there seem to be more of them so used ones are easier (and cheaper) to find. http://www.groupmobile.com/dept.asp/dept_id=4/Fully+Rugged+Laptops.html --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended. nbsp;Unless Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz. Luther On Aug 31, 2011 7:16 PM, Gerry Archer lt;arche...@embarqmail.comgt; wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83nbsp; ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended. nbsp;Unless Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz. Luther On Aug 31, 2011 7:16 PM, Gerry Archer lt;arche...@embarqmail.comgt; wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83nbsp; ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Slave cylinder is easy, you just need to know if you've got the old type or new and get a new gasket with it. Which reminds me I bought a new gasket for mine... The clutch master cylinder and its rod on the other hand, thats a completely different story... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:50:22 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CALk3cy7xmHjNqaaqXROo8p_DF6jN=gjt7glmdh19e9feotl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 --R wrote: yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've made a career out of remembering things. I also spend a lot of time reading things and remembering them. Sometimes its something I can't turn off though... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:45:41 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: 4e5da055.5070...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That was Andrew that got the whole thing started? (Shows how much attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...) --R On 8/30/11 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered the same. Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain? I've used my MacBook Pro for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc. They are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry. The power supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying. Apple also sells an Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply. I usually carry one of these with me too. That way if I'm at someone's house and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect my wifi to their router. All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines. The newer Mac's have Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc. Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do they have parallel ports on the back? --R On 8/31/11 9:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The physical layout in the computer area makes changing laptops a pain. I've used PCs since before windows (for about 16 years) such that they've become second nature. I can see that after I've learned the Apple system as well as I know PC/Windows, I'll like it better since it has many advantages such as being faster and more intuitive than Windows. Apple, of course, does not have the installed base that Windows has; and that creates problems when trying to solve various glitches that arise. For example, I installed Snow Leopard and mail had problems. Isp couldn't help. Wiped the hd and installed Leopard 10.5xx that came with the Mac which helped but still couldn't receive mail. After talking to four techs at the isp, the last one finally transferred me to someone who knew Apple and he solved the problem in about five minutes. In general, I get along well on both the PC and the Mac and I'm even beginning to figure out Linux. Sort of a hobby after one retires, but a slow hobby since one doesn't learn as fast as when one is younger. I do carry the Macbook when I go out and like its thinness, smaller size, and less weight. My Macbook has built in wifi which works better than the PC at hotspots such as restaurants and airline terminals. This Macbook probably doesn't have Thunderbolt since it's 2 years old, but it sounds like it would be considerable advantage for one using it as a desktop. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain? I've used my MacBook Pro for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc. They are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry. The power supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying. Apple also sells an Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply. I usually carry one of these with me too. That way if I'm at someone's house and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect my wifi to their router. All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines. The newer Mac's have Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc. Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Docking station makes hooking it up for desktop use simple Clay Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 18:49, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain? I've used my MacBook Pro for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc. They are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry. The power supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying. Apple also sells an Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply. I usually carry one of these with me too. That way if I'm at someone's house and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect my wifi to their router. All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines. The newer Mac's have Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc. Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the test programs show no problems. Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D -- From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
If you are going to go PC, buy s commercial (business) grade HP. We use thousands of them in the school district and most are pretty bulletproof. I had an 8540, and it was built like a brick doghouse and never gave me a moment's trouble. Dan From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the test programs show no problems. Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D -- From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work machine has been a laptop since 2003... Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15 to the 17 M90. -Curt Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: 3B4077EFEB634F16A7AA865D82ECD872@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I can understand the support issues. When I moved from Window to Mac a few years ago I still needed to run Windows applications so I converted my work issued laptop to a virtual machine that I could use with VMWare Fusion. In my case I converted a Windows partition (bootcamp) to a virtual machine, but VMWare now has software you can install on the Windows machine and it will create a virtual machine on your Mac. It even will sync the two, so if you're writing a document in Word on the Windows machine while VMWare is creating the image, you'll have the most recent save on your virtual machine! Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the test programs show no problems. Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D --** From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Luther's Benzbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended.nbsp;Unless Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope, the t60 is post-parallel. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 8/31/2011 9:04 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Do they have parallel ports on the back? --R On 8/31/11 9:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Dell doesn't show Precision M4300 laptops. It pulls up M4600 laptops instead. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work machine has been a laptop since 2003... Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15 to the 17 M90. -Curt Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: 3B4077EFEB634F16A7AA865D82ECD872@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
That's a thought. I'll keep that in mind. Gerry From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Docking station makes hooking it up for desktop use simple Clay On Aug 31, 2011, at 18:49, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain? I've used my MacBook Pro for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc. They are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry. The power supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying. Apple also sells an Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply. I usually carry one of these with me too. That way if I'm at someone's house and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect my wifi to their router. All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines. The newer Mac's have Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc. Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
That's a thought! I'd forgotten about Bootcamp. I'll probably get around to a dual system after becoming more familiar with Apple software, etc. Over the years I've found that three working computers are almost a necessity because of the lightning transients in this area. I have nearly everything powered through Panamax surge protectors which are supposed to be the best, but nothing seems to stop the transient voltages generated by the almost daily summer storms. So far, the laptops haven't been hit like the old desktops were regularly. Not sure if that's coincidence or that laptops are more resistant. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com I can understand the support issues. When I moved from Window to Mac a few years ago I still needed to run Windows applications so I converted my work issued laptop to a virtual machine that I could use with VMWare Fusion. In my case I converted a Windows partition (bootcamp) to a virtual machine, but VMWare now has software you can install on the Windows machine and it will create a virtual machine on your Mac. It even will sync the two, so if you're writing a document in Word on the Windows machine while VMWare is creating the image, you'll have the most recent save on your virtual machine! Brian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the test programs show no problems. Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D --** From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now. HPs are an option and they cost less than Thinkpads. Anytime you mention something related to work, I think of my old high school, Plant, and the difference in then and now. Plant, Jefferson, Jesuit, and Hillsborough; that was all; and they were small schools. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com If you are going to go PC, buy s commercial (business) grade HP. We use thousands of them in the school district and most are pretty bulletproof. I had an 8540, and it was built like a brick doghouse and never gave me a moment's trouble. Dan From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the test programs show no problems. Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D -- From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board? --R On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a desktop for five years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good Acronis program always restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of the bullet proof models that have been discussed on this list. The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed. Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3868 - Release Date: 08/30/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, Oh, and the defective battery (one of its four) has been replaced. Live, so that I wouldn't incur an unnecessary reboot! There have been no power failure reboots in the year since. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
OWC (Other World Computing). Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good. Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat. More info if you need it - just ask. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a whole discussion on this last week, or the week before, but I forget what the source was. -R On 8/30/11 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Catheyj...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like my G4 Quicksilver. Built like a brick doghouse. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at the Apple store. Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much cheaper I would be suspicious of. Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would not hesitate to recommend that approach. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: OWC (Other World Computing). Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good. Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat. More info if you need it - just ask. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is more than I want to spend. What about this for about half the price from Batteryedge? http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at the Apple store. Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much cheaper I would be suspicious of. Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would not hesitate to recommend that approach. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: OWC (Other World Computing). Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good. Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat. More info if you need it - just ask. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
It has been my experience that the third party batteries (other than OWC's) have serious fit and finish issues. If you are willing to risk it, go ahead. Since the battery is an integral part of the computer case, I wouldn't, but that's a personal preference. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:24 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is more than I want to spend. What about this for about half the price from Batteryedge? http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at the Apple store. Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much cheaper I would be suspicious of. Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would not hesitate to recommend that approach. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: OWC (Other World Computing). Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good. Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat. More info if you need it - just ask. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the part number and price? Yeah, we did do that... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=vvyvS9NZiN8600KqE-m=ikb6o4rnoqswtaprkbeg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. --R On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the part number and price? Yeah, we did do that... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=vvyvS9NZiN8600KqE-m=ikb6o4rnoqswtaprkbeg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, but if not, maybe it can be found in the archives. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. --R On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the part number and price? Yeah, we did do that... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=vvyvS9NZiN8600KqE-m=ikb6o4rnoqswtaprkbeg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
A cheap battery will give cheap results. About 2 years ago the battery in my Dell failed. I got an inexpensive replacement (Dell wanted ~$150, the inexpensive replacement was about $80) the replacement lasted about 9 months before it inexplicably failed completely. Ended up buying a full price replacement... You pays your money and you takes your chance. -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:24:46 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=upK80EuXFRmcOXH7DDPDfwDgSG=SL+=xzwbwphvsp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is more than I want to spend. What about this for about half the price from Batteryedge? http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at the Apple store. Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much cheaper I would be suspicious of. Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would not hesitate to recommend that approach. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered the same. Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:59:25 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: 4e5d5d3d.40...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. --R On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the part number and price? Yeah, we did do that... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=vvyvS9NZiN8600KqE-m=ikb6o4rnoqswtaprkbeg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Win blows partition on the Dell mackintosh kacked, taking the OSx setup data with it. Not sure how. Decided to just get a Mac pro that will do lion out of the box. No sinking around with unix drivers for non standard hardware to get minimal functionality Clay Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:00, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Expect $150. You could do better with used on cl or a cinese exploding one on flea bay. I get good life per $$ spent off eBay Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:06, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Ages ago I sourced a nupower for my newton 2100. That thing is still going strong and holds 98% of new charge ability Clay Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2011, at 9:24, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is more than I want to spend. What about this for about half the price from Batteryedge? http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at the Apple store. Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much cheaper I would be suspicious of. Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would not hesitate to recommend that approach. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: OWC (Other World Computing). Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good. Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat. More info if you need it - just ask. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3 has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has resided in my new computer room. It normally runs 24/7, is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc. Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session. (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely a problem.) Only once in two years due to software failure. Take that, Microsoft! (The PC I am forced to use at work, though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only, can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots. Unless it can't.) Not bad for free! I believe I've been running it since 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:06:41 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ You can also see them at http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/info.html with a list of emails at http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/maillist.html They're really up-to-date with Robert Koziak's email of 8 minutes ago already archived. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:15:20 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: You can also see them at http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/info.html with a list of emails at http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/maillist.html They're really up-to-date with Robert Koziak's email of 8 minutes ago already archived. Maybe our fearless leader followed the advice on the home page for www.mail-archive.com : Looking for an easy way to turn your mailing list into a searchable archive? Just add The Mail Archive as a member to your mailing list as described in the how-to-guide. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
--R wrote: yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:50:22 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian? No. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
That was Andrew that got the whole thing started? (Shows how much attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...) --R On 8/30/11 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered the same. Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:59:25 -0400 From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID:4e5d5d3d.40...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again when you do need to know. --R On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the part number and price? Yeah, we did do that... -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Message-ID: CAC35L=vvyvS9NZiN8600KqE-m=ikb6o4rnoqswtaprkbeg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay. It's very cool but the battery only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement. My son says to purchase a new genuine Apple battery. What's the best place to get a good deal on one of these? How much should I expect to pay? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: That was Andrew that got the whole thing started? (Shows how much attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...) I plead guilty to asking questions here that I know have been answered, or I may have myself asked in the past... just because in general I've found mail list archives very difficult to search effectively. Subject matter and subject lines often bear no relationship to one another, there tends to be a lot of OT content to weed out, and a lot of list archive sites have poor search capabilities to begin with. So it's easier to just ask again. Though I do try not to do it twice in the same month ;). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
And we learn more easily by repetition, so an occasional reminder is good. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: That was Andrew that got the whole thing started? (Shows how much attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...) I plead guilty to asking questions here that I know have been answered, or I may have myself asked in the past... just because in general I've found mail list archives very difficult to search effectively. Subject matter and subject lines often bear no relationship to one another, there tends to be a lot of OT content to weed out, and a lot of list archive sites have poor search capabilities to begin with. So it's easier to just ask again. Though I do try not to do it twice in the same month ;). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
