Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Benz Hogs]

Then put the order on paper/spreadsheet and IM Rusty.  Copy&Paste work well.

Luther

Tim C. wrote:

Is Diesel Purge on the web site somewhere?  I looked briefly and then forgot 
about it, but I'll need another order soon anyway I'm sure. :) And yes I know 
you all call in but it's easier to multitask when you put an order on a 
computer.

-Tim

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From: Benz Hogs 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

Sounds like the perfect time to run some Diesel Purge. Call Rusty...

Luther

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Tim C .]

Is Diesel Purge on the web site somewhere?  I looked briefly and then forgot 
about it, but I'll need another order soon anyway I'm sure. :) And yes I know 
you all call in but it's easier to multitask when you put an order on a 
computer.

-Tim

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From: Benz Hogs 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

Sounds like the perfect time to run some Diesel Purge. Call Rusty...

Luther

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Just to update:
> The l90D is not as bad off as I feared. The thing isn't really using oil at
> any sort of fast rate. I keep checking it and it keeps being around the
> middle of the range on the dipstick.
> 
> I did follow the wife driving it the other day and I did see the same smoke,
> and did smell the same burning oil smell when she would accelerate, but I'm
> just glad it isn't using oil that fast. I feared it would be going through a
> quart every couple days or something.
> 
> Still runs pretty much flawlessly. Starts immediately and is nice and peppy.
> 
> Brian
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'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Peter Frederick]

Probably needs valve guide seals.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Benz Hogs]

Sounds like the perfect time to run some Diesel Purge. Call Rusty...

Luther

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Just to update:
The l90D is not as bad off as I feared. The thing isn't really using oil at
any sort of fast rate. I keep checking it and it keeps being around the
middle of the range on the dipstick.

I did follow the wife driving it the other day and I did see the same smoke,
and did smell the same burning oil smell when she would accelerate, but I'm
just glad it isn't using oil that fast. I feared it would be going through a
quart every couple days or something.

Still runs pretty much flawlessly. Starts immediately and is nice and peppy.

Brian

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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

AAAK! No AC in Phoenix? Uncomfortable just thinking of it.
It's going to be 85 here today and I'm dreading it. I dislike being in
direct sunlight anymore.

Hard to believe I lived in AZ for some 25 years.

Brian

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> My '77 300D (208K miles only) is now consistantly burning a quart every 300
> miles (each fillup). Yesterday, after having barrelled down the freeway at
> 80 for 25 minutes, the exhaust wafting in my rolled down window on the 115
> degree day smelled like Red Adair should be following me.
>
> I wonder how much longer it will run like this? I love this car (like I've
> loved all my cars), but I'm growing tired of it's quart a fillup habit and
> the no AC factor.
>
> Bob R
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Zoltan Finks  >wrote:
>
> > Just to update:
> > The l90D is not as bad off as I feared. The thing isn't really using oil
> at
> > any sort of fast rate. I keep checking it and it keeps being around the
> > middle of the range on the dipstick.
> >
> > I did follow the wife driving it the other day and I did see the same
> > smoke,
> > and did smell the same burning oil smell when she would accelerate, but
> I'm
> > just glad it isn't using oil that fast. I feared it would be going
> through
> > a
> > quart every couple days or something.
> >
> > Still runs pretty much flawlessly. Starts immediately and is nice and
> > peppy.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Bob Rentfro]

My '77 300D (208K miles only) is now consistantly burning a quart every 300
miles (each fillup). Yesterday, after having barrelled down the freeway at
80 for 25 minutes, the exhaust wafting in my rolled down window on the 115
degree day smelled like Red Adair should be following me.

I wonder how much longer it will run like this? I love this car (like I've
loved all my cars), but I'm growing tired of it's quart a fillup habit and
the no AC factor.

Bob R


On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Just to update:
> The l90D is not as bad off as I feared. The thing isn't really using oil at
> any sort of fast rate. I keep checking it and it keeps being around the
> middle of the range on the dipstick.
>
> I did follow the wife driving it the other day and I did see the same
> smoke,
> and did smell the same burning oil smell when she would accelerate, but I'm
> just glad it isn't using oil that fast. I feared it would be going through
> a
> quart every couple days or something.
>
> Still runs pretty much flawlessly. Starts immediately and is nice and
> peppy.
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

Just to update:
The l90D is not as bad off as I feared. The thing isn't really using oil at
any sort of fast rate. I keep checking it and it keeps being around the
middle of the range on the dipstick.

I did follow the wife driving it the other day and I did see the same smoke,
and did smell the same burning oil smell when she would accelerate, but I'm
just glad it isn't using oil that fast. I feared it would be going through a
quart every couple days or something.

Still runs pretty much flawlessly. Starts immediately and is nice and peppy.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[brian . toscano]

Its extra insurance, plus the oil may hold up for more miles than 15w-50.  I 
use it because I can put it in anything I own.
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From: Curt Raymond 

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:35:47 
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


Okay, I'll buy that but Playing devils advocate here:
Who cares? MB says you need to change the oil at 2% soot load anyway...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:54:46 +
From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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The 5w40 has better ability to suspend soot...
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From: Curt Raymond 

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:15:56 
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


What
advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually
slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but
other than that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden
tractor because it leaks less but still starts better at -10F than
10w40 conventional oil.
5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a 
big might...


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Okay, I'll buy that but Playing devils advocate here:
Who cares? MB says you need to change the oil at 2% soot load anyway...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:54:46 +
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From: Curt Raymond 

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:15:56 
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


What
advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually
slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but
other than that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden
tractor because it leaks less but still starts better at -10F than
10w40 conventional oil.
5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a 
big might...


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[brian . toscano]

The 5w40 has better ability to suspend soot...
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-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond 

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:15:56 
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually 
slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than 
that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it leaks 
less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil.
5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a 
big might...


-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:59:54 -0700
From: tyler 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.

If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby 
gases to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out 
on the ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue 
smoke could be an injection system issue.

I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!

Tyler



  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[brian . toscano]

I'd never use 5w30 unless the HTHS was more than 3.5-3.6 !
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From: tyler 

Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:31:05 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


I realize oil brands and weights tend to be a quasi-religious issue, 
with most people (myself included) having strong convictions with little 
evidence.

Some of the reasons I use the thinner oil:
1) The 5w40 will start quicker, and build oil pressure quicker, 
especially in cold weather
2) It remains just as thick at operating temp and above
3) M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is only widely available in this weight, and 
it's intended for diesels and rated to handle more diesel soot than 
regular M1
4) It's usually about the same price
5) It's MB approved for all temps (is 10w40 approved at all in the 
current specs?)
6) And last but not least- it's what Marshall used

I wouldn't hesitate to use another weight of M1 if I couldn't get 5w40, 
but 5w30 would be my second choice. I think that the thicker oil will 
accelerate engine wear, especially in cold climates and offer no 
advantages in warm climates, except for possibly reduced oil consumption 
in a worn or leaky engine. My 190DT doesn't burn or leak significant 
amounts of oil...

Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:
> What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually 
> slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than 
> that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it 
> leaks less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil.
> 5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats 
> a big might...
>
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

Well, after a week of driving to work (maybe 170 miles total) the oil level
hasn't gone down very much at all.
The way it was smelling when I followed behind it, I thought the oil might
be getting burned pretty quickly. But I don't know.

She says the thing is running more sluggish than it did right after I
changed the fuel filters. Wonder if it needs another fuel filter change
already? Or if it's related to whatever problem the engine has.

I will try to drive it this weekend and see what I think. Would also like to
follow behind it again and see if it's smoking the same as it was.

Brian

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Douglas  wrote:

> good points.. !
>
> Douglas
>
> --
> From: "Rick Knoble" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:09 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
>
>  From: "Zoltan Finks" 
>>
>>> I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
>>> the
>>> tailpipe.
>>>
>>> Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
>>>
>>> Filled it after it sat for a weekend
>>>
>>
>> One thing Marshall was adamant about was letting a MB diesel seek it's own
>> oil level. Don't let it run out of oil for sure, but don't keep it topped
>> off either.
>>
>> I would make sure it is getting up to temp (you did change the thermostat
>> and it does work?) and drive the snot out of it. IIRC you live in the
>> Pacific Northwest so mountains to blaze up with foot to the floor should
>> be
>> in abundance. You can also leave it in second (third?) around town to keep
>> the rpms up. Italian tune-ups work best with a load, though, so mountain
>> driving would be ideal.
>>
>> The 16 grand plus money for a new Focus plus full coverage insurance plus
>> interest on the loan plus maintenance work (new cars still need oil
>> changes,
>> tires, brakes, ect.)  will buy a heck of a lot of parts (and labor for
>> that
>> matter) for an old Benz.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Rick Knoble
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Douglas]

good points.. !

Douglas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


From: "Zoltan Finks" 

I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
the
tailpipe.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend


One thing Marshall was adamant about was letting a MB diesel seek it's own
oil level. Don't let it run out of oil for sure, but don't keep it topped
off either.

I would make sure it is getting up to temp (you did change the thermostat
and it does work?) and drive the snot out of it. IIRC you live in the
Pacific Northwest so mountains to blaze up with foot to the floor should 
be

in abundance. You can also leave it in second (third?) around town to keep
the rpms up. Italian tune-ups work best with a load, though, so mountain
driving would be ideal.

The 16 grand plus money for a new Focus plus full coverage insurance plus
interest on the loan plus maintenance work (new cars still need oil 
changes,
tires, brakes, ect.)  will buy a heck of a lot of parts (and labor for 
that

matter) for an old Benz.

Just my opinion.

Rick Knoble




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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

Yep, Rick, I did change the thermostat and it works. I used the CD manual
that a nice guy sent to me.

Brian

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> From: "Zoltan Finks" 
>
>> I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
>> the
>> tailpipe.
>>
>> Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
>>
>> Filled it after it sat for a weekend
>>
>
> One thing Marshall was adamant about was letting a MB diesel seek it's own
> oil level. Don't let it run out of oil for sure, but don't keep it topped
> off either.
>
> I would make sure it is getting up to temp (you did change the thermostat
> and it does work?) and drive the snot out of it. IIRC you live in the
> Pacific Northwest so mountains to blaze up with foot to the floor should be
> in abundance. You can also leave it in second (third?) around town to keep
> the rpms up. Italian tune-ups work best with a load, though, so mountain
> driving would be ideal.
>
> The 16 grand plus money for a new Focus plus full coverage insurance plus
> interest on the loan plus maintenance work (new cars still need oil changes,
> tires, brakes, ect.)  will buy a heck of a lot of parts (and labor for that
> matter) for an old Benz.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Rick Knoble
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Robert Rentfro]

I rely on smell more than looks.Bluish exhaust can be fuel or oil, but a
smell will tell.

Bob R

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of tyler
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

You're correct- but diesel fuel is oil. If you search diesel forums 
online, you'll find many cases of blue smoke being caused by problems 
with the injectors, or injection timing rather than burning oil.

Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> So blue smoke could be something other than burning oil? I thought blue
> smoke always meant burning oil.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to try to check the breather
and/or
> install a new one.
>
> Brian

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[tyler]

I've seen different fuel system problems can cause white smoke, blue 
smoke, or black smoke on a diesel - without burning oil or losing coolant.


Overfuelling results in black smoke, but you can also have a leaky 
injector, poor spray pattern, over-advanced timing, or retarded timing.


Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:

Blue smoke is always burning oil, the path for the oil to get into the 
cylinders where it gets burned can be different, it doesn't always have to go 
past the rings. Worn valve stem seals could potentially (although Marshall pooh 
poohed it) allow oil in as could a clogged breather.

Over fueling (what Tyler talks about in his later message) makes black smoke.

White smoke would be coolant.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Blue smoke is always burning oil, the path for the oil to get into the 
cylinders where it gets burned can be different, it doesn't always have to go 
past the rings. Worn valve stem seals could potentially (although Marshall pooh 
poohed it) allow oil in as could a clogged breather.

Over fueling (what Tyler talks about in his later message) makes black smoke.

White smoke would be coolant.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:57:38 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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So blue smoke could be something other than burning oil? I thought blue
smoke always meant burning oil.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to try to check the breather and/or
install a new one.

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Don't get me wrong I don't really care but...

Marshall ranked the 3 approved M1 formulations thusly in decreasing order of 
preference
5w40 - Now called Turbo Diesel Truck, formerly Truck and SUV, also available as 
Delvac 1
15w50 - Also comes in an extended performance variety which for me is easier to 
find but more expensive
0w40 - In my experience will lead to the easiest cold starts but a lot more 
valve noise in a 616 engine. I never tried it in anything else. Oh and it 
leaked out of my 240D like crazy...

Anyway all 3 meet pretty much the same MB specs IIRC, 5w40 might meet one the 
others don't. I'm with you on the ease of cold starts but it needs to be very 
cold before I see any difference 0F at least. The M1 15w50 flows better than a 
conventional 10w40 at 0F...

The argument that 15w50 will increase wear doesn't really float. These engines 
will go hundreds of thousands of miles on conventional oil... Sure wear might 
be decreased 1% but the big question is "does it really matter?"

According to Marshall (whom I will now try to emulate) MB NEVER approved ANY 
x30 formulation for diesel use.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:31:05 -0700
From: tyler 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I realize oil brands and weights tend to be a quasi-religious issue, 
with most people (myself included) having strong convictions with little 
evidence.

Some of the reasons I use the thinner oil:
1) The 5w40 will start quicker, and build oil pressure quicker, 
especially in cold weather
2) It remains just as thick at operating temp and above
3) M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is only widely available in this weight, and 
it's intended for diesels and rated to handle more diesel soot than 
regular M1
4) It's usually about the same price
5) It's MB approved for all temps (is 10w40 approved at all in the 
current specs?)
6) And last but not least- it's what Marshall used

I wouldn't hesitate to use another weight of M1 if I couldn't get 5w40, 
but 5w30 would be my second choice. I think that the thicker oil will 
accelerate engine wear, especially in cold climates and offer no 
advantages in warm climates, except for possibly reduced oil consumption 
in a worn or leaky engine. My 190DT doesn't burn or leak significant 
amounts of oil...

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[tyler]

You're correct- but diesel fuel is oil. If you search diesel forums 
online, you'll find many cases of blue smoke being caused by problems 
with the injectors, or injection timing rather than burning oil.


Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:

So blue smoke could be something other than burning oil? I thought blue
smoke always meant burning oil.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to try to check the breather and/or
install a new one.

Brian


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

So blue smoke could be something other than burning oil? I thought blue
smoke always meant burning oil.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to try to check the breather and/or
install a new one.

Brian

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM, tyler  wrote:

> You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.
>
> There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I
> would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1
> (hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.
>
> If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby gases
> to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out on the
> ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue smoke could
> be an injection system issue.
>
> I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 300k
> miles!
>
> Tyler
>
> Zoltan Finks wrote:
>
>> We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand
>> miles
>> ago, maybe a bit less.
>>
>> We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
>> moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
>> without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic.
>> But
>> nothing considered hard driving.
>>
>> Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
>> thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.
>>
>> I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
>> cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.
>>
>> Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
>> sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
>> throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will
>> no
>> longer be on worry patrol.
>>
>> We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.
>>
>> Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the
>> current
>> auto market.
>>
>> Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the
>> 190,
>> because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
>> drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of
>> the
>> mill newer car.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[tyler]

I realize oil brands and weights tend to be a quasi-religious issue, 
with most people (myself included) having strong convictions with little 
evidence.


Some of the reasons I use the thinner oil:
1) The 5w40 will start quicker, and build oil pressure quicker, 
especially in cold weather

2) It remains just as thick at operating temp and above
3) M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is only widely available in this weight, and 
it's intended for diesels and rated to handle more diesel soot than 
regular M1

4) It's usually about the same price
5) It's MB approved for all temps (is 10w40 approved at all in the 
current specs?)

6) And last but not least- it's what Marshall used

I wouldn't hesitate to use another weight of M1 if I couldn't get 5w40, 
but 5w30 would be my second choice. I think that the thicker oil will 
accelerate engine wear, especially in cold climates and offer no 
advantages in warm climates, except for possibly reduced oil consumption 
in a worn or leaky engine. My 190DT doesn't burn or leak significant 
amounts of oil...


Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:

What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually 
slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than 
that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it leaks 
less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil.
5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a 
big might...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[tyler]

I think the old insights get as much as 75mpg if you get the correct 
model (manual transmission w/ lean burn)!


Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:

I'm seriously disappointed by the new Insight, I can't see why I'd want one, 
40/43 mpg, seriously? In 2003 it got 47/49...
You want mileage get a Smart, its cheaper. Or for nearly the same economy in a 
sportier car wait for the Festiva... I'm seriously considering a Festiva.

I'll give you $500 for your 190D. $1000 if you deliver to MA.

-Curt
  


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Thats my point, why do I want an Insight and not a Civic hybrid? They're 
diluting their line with a pointless model.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:24:56 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> I'm seriously disappointed by the new Insight, I can't see why I'd want one, 
> 40/43 mpg, seriously? In 2003 it got 47/49...

There's probably 10-20% (or more) difference in the mpg ratings standard since 
2007. Or were you quoting the revised ratings for the old car?

At any rate, the old Insight was a tiny two seater. A CRX had three times the 
carrying capacity. I assume the new one will have more utility. OTOH, the old 
one was a great commuter car, capable of 60-90mpg with a little driving skill.
You just needed to find something else to haul the materials home from Home 
Depot if you wanted to retile the bathroom on the weekend.

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Keeping the revs up is a good point, remember you CAN'T over rev the engine at 
a standstill. The governor will kick in and save the engine. Watch the pips on 
the speedo to tell you max speed shift points, try getting a little closer to 
the pips when you shift. Keep it in 3rd below 40mph...

Keeping revs up is generally true when riding a motorcycle too (Jap bikes 
anyway) and something I had to teach my wife, she was shifting way too early 
and getting scared when the bike would shudder as it was lugged. Got her shifts 
up around 6,000 rpm and her riding smoothed right out. I pointed out that on 
her bike the redline is at 9500 and she got the idea.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:09:37 -0500
From: "Rick Knoble" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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From: "Zoltan Finks" 
> I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out 
> the
> tailpipe.
>
> Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
>
> Filled it after it sat for a weekend

One thing Marshall was adamant about was letting a MB diesel seek it's own 
oil level. Don't let it run out of oil for sure, but don't keep it topped 
off either.

I would make sure it is getting up to temp (you did change the thermostat 
and it does work?) and drive the snot out of it. IIRC you live in the 
Pacific Northwest so mountains to blaze up with foot to the floor should be 
in abundance. You can also leave it in second (third?) around town to keep 
the rpms up. Italian tune-ups work best with a load, though, so mountain 
driving would be ideal.

The 16 grand plus money for a new Focus plus full coverage insurance plus 
interest on the loan plus maintenance work (new cars still need oil changes, 
tires, brakes, ect.)  will buy a heck of a lot of parts (and labor for that 
matter) for an old Benz.

Just my opinion.

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

I'm seriously disappointed by the new Insight, I can't see why I'd want one, 
40/43 mpg, seriously? In 2003 it got 47/49...


There's probably 10-20% (or more) difference in the mpg ratings standard since 
2007. Or were you quoting the revised ratings for the old car?


At any rate, the old Insight was a tiny two seater. A CRX had three times the 
carrying capacity. I assume the new one will have more utility. OTOH, the old 
one was a great commuter car, capable of 60-90mpg with a little driving skill.
You just needed to find something else to haul the materials home from Home 
Depot if you wanted to retile the bathroom on the weekend.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually 
slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than 
that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it leaks 
less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil.
5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a 
big might...


-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:59:54 -0700
From: tyler 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.

If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby 
gases to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out 
on the ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue 
smoke could be an injection system issue.

I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

I'm seriously disappointed by the new Insight, I can't see why I'd want one, 
40/43 mpg, seriously? In 2003 it got 47/49...
You want mileage get a Smart, its cheaper. Or for nearly the same economy in a 
sportier car wait for the Festiva... I'm seriously considering a Festiva.

I'll give you $500 for your 190D. $1000 if you deliver to MA.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:47:43 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand miles
ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. But
nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will no
longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

I assume you ment that as a joke... My 240D leaks bad like a qt in 500 miles. 
At one point just before I got rid of it last time I was using the oil from the 
last oil change as makeup for the current... I was using Mobil 1 then to make 
the car start in the cold when I didn't have an outlet to plug into. Now I use 
dino oil (whatever is the cheapest 15w40 per ounce at Autozone) and plug in 
when its cold.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:00:39 -0500
From: Luther 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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How can you justify keeping "shorter oil change intervals" when the car 
burns 1qt/150-200mi like my coupe? 

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
> DING!
>
>
How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad
thermostat at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to
remember that.
>
> I'd guess your carboned up rings are
starting to let go of the carbon resulting in them seating badly as the
carbon comes off unevenly. In which case the solution is to drive it
like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals until it clears
up.
>
> -Curt
>   
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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Rick Knoble]

From: "Zoltan Finks" 
I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out 
the

tailpipe.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend


One thing Marshall was adamant about was letting a MB diesel seek it's own 
oil level. Don't let it run out of oil for sure, but don't keep it topped 
off either.


I would make sure it is getting up to temp (you did change the thermostat 
and it does work?) and drive the snot out of it. IIRC you live in the 
Pacific Northwest so mountains to blaze up with foot to the floor should be 
in abundance. You can also leave it in second (third?) around town to keep 
the rpms up. Italian tune-ups work best with a load, though, so mountain 
driving would be ideal.


The 16 grand plus money for a new Focus plus full coverage insurance plus 
interest on the loan plus maintenance work (new cars still need oil changes, 
tires, brakes, ect.)  will buy a heck of a lot of parts (and labor for that 
matter) for an old Benz.


Just my opinion.

Rick Knoble




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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[LarryT]

Tyler's suggestions are very good.  Diesels like to be driven hard - they 
like to be driven long distances and to be fully warmed up.  Short trips at 
moderate/slow speeds are bad on diesels as well as gas engines as that kind 
of driving doesn't get the oil warmed enough to burn off any condensation 
that will naturally form in all engines.  If it's not burned of it stays and 
mixes with the oil reducing the oils ability to lubricate.


If it were me, I'd change the oil to the M1 5W40 mentioned and add the 
proper amount of Marvel Mystery Oil (a long time favorite of mine) to help 
free the rings.  While it;s true the Mobil has its own additives, a little 
extra once in a while - especially on an older engine will help it along. 
Some will say the MMO is not needed - to each his own.


When an engine gets old one of the inescapable problems will be hard 
starting in the winter  -  my 78 240D only used a quart of oil every 2000 mi 
or so - and it didn;t have visible smoke except at night when I revved it 
out and there were headlights behind me - then one cold day it would not 
start no matter what I did.  Turned out to have almost zero compression on 3 
of 4 cylinders.  When I rebuilt it I found the 3 bad cylinders all had a 
broken top ring - the pistons and liners were all replaced.


The point of the above is - the engine seemed fine until one day when it 
would no longer start - from OK to bad in 1 day/


It's possible Tyler is right about the rings being stuck - once they are 
loosened the oil burning may stop or be reduced.


IMO your family is much safer in a older MB than a new Ford ---

Good luck
LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

- Original Message - 
From: "tyler" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil



You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.


If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby gases 
to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out on the 
ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue smoke could 
be an injection system issue.


I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!


Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:
We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand 
miles

ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. 
But

nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about 
our

cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will 
no

longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the 
current

auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 
190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) 
and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of 
the

mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[tyler]

You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.


If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby 
gases to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out 
on the ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue 
smoke could be an injection system issue.


I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!


Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:

We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand miles
ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. But
nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will no
longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand miles
ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. But
nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will no
longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> DING!
>
> How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad
> thermostat at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to
> remember that.
>
> I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon
> resulting in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which
> case the solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil
> change intervals until it clears up.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
> From: Zoltan Finks 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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>
> It's the 2.5 non-turbo.
>
> I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.
>
> Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause
> this?
>
> For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I
> have
> suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.
>
> Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Luther]

How can you justify keeping "shorter oil change intervals" when the car 
burns 1qt/150-200mi like my coupe? 


Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

DING!

How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad thermostat 
at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to remember that.

I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon resulting 
in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which case the 
solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals 
until it clears up.

-Curt
  

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'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[LWB250]

Yup.  Time for the proverbial "Italian Tune-Up".

Or, as my kids like to say, "Drive it like a rental!"

Dan

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> From: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
> To: "Diesel List" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:51 AM
> DING!
> 
> How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did
> have a bad thermostat at some point not all that long ago
> didn't you? I seem to remember that.
> 
> I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of
> the carbon resulting in them seating badly as the carbon
> comes off unevenly. In which case the solution is to drive
> it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals
> until it clears up.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
> From: Zoltan Finks 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> It's the 2.5 non-turbo.
> 
> I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.
> 
> Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being
> clogged cause this?
> 
> For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at
> cruising. Lately, I have
> suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.
> 
> Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k
> now.
> 
> Brian
> 
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

DING!

How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad thermostat 
at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to remember that.

I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon resulting 
in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which case the 
solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals 
until it clears up.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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It's the 2.5 non-turbo.

I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.

Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause this?

For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I have
suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.

Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Curt Raymond]

Did you ever get the thermostat fixed? Carboned up rings would make this happen.

How long did it take to get down 1.5 qts of oil? What kind of oil? How long 
using that oil? All those factors will come into play. If using a lighter M1 
formulation (like 5w40) you might try a heavier weight like 15w50. You might 
try a conventional oil (Delvac 1300 15w40) too.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:25 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks 
Subject: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out the
tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

Just when she accelerates.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
smell.

The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

Oh Well!

Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
direction.

We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

Wonder how much the ring job would be?

Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Allan Streib]

Is this the one that had the bad thermostat, and was running cold all the time?

Allan


On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:40 -0700, "Zoltan Finks"  
wrote:
> It's the 2.5 non-turbo.
> 
> I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.
> 
> Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause
> this?
> 
> For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I
> have
> suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.
> 
> Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Tyler  wrote:
> 
> > Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the crankcase
> > breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many miles?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Tyler
> >
> >
> > On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
> >
> >  I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
> >> the
> >> tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.
> >>
> >> Just when she accelerates.
> >>
> >> Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
> >>
> >> Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
> >> when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
> >> smell.
> >>
> >> The thing still starts right up and runs normally.
> >>
> >> Oh Well!
> >>
> >> Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
> >> direction.
> >>
> >> We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.
> >>
> >> Wonder how much the ring job would be?
> >>
> >> Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Zoltan Finks]

It's the 2.5 non-turbo.

I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.

Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause this?

For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I have
suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.

Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.

Brian

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Tyler  wrote:

> Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the crankcase
> breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many miles?
>
> Sincerely,
> Tyler
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
>
>  I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
>> the
>> tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.
>>
>> Just when she accelerates.
>>
>> Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
>>
>> Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
>> when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
>> smell.
>>
>> The thing still starts right up and runs normally.
>>
>> Oh Well!
>>
>> Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
>> direction.
>>
>> We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.
>>
>> Wonder how much the ring job would be?
>>
>> Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

[Tyler]

Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the  
crankcase breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many  
miles?


Sincerely,
Tyler

On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke  
out the

tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

Just when she accelerates.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as  
much
when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the  
smoke and

smell.

The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

Oh Well!

Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a  
different

direction.

We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

Wonder how much the ring job would be?

Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

Brian


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