[midgard] Sending attachments to this list
Greetings! Just a brief note on sharing files (screenshots, etc.) with the subscribers of this list. Currently people are sending lots of files to these lists as email attachments, which causes lots of load on subscribers' mailboxes, and frustration to people who follow these lists using web archives. Please do not send file attachments to these mailing lists. If you have files you want to share, place them to a public Web or FTP server instead, and send the URL. Thanks! /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Re: Images from Midgard European Tour available
Greetings! Now I have a thumbnailed gallery of the Midgard European Tour pictures online (thanks to Henri Hovi for the code). This gallery should be a bit more comfortable to use. You can find it at: http://bergie.envida.org/gallery/116.html Then to the questions asked previously on this thread (I can't handle the email loads from Midgard's mailing lists during my military service so I use the archives). Anatol Mayr wrote: Must have been a funny journey :-) It was a very successful one. I enjoyed the chance to actually meet many of the people from our community in person. Hopefully we'll be able to arrange similar events in the future as well. One question: I read one month ago, that some of you are working for Aurora, now. Can someone tell my how this is handled? How do you get your fees etc.? Is there a monthly meeting? ... I'm currently doing my military service in Finnish Defence Forcesm so I can't do any work. However, Emile, David, Ron and Alexander work for Aurora so they can probably describe the arrangements better. In our company we're thinking about how it would be, to give some of our daily work to volunteers of the 'midgardians', who can make this work for us (it's sure that we pay these volunteers :-) ) Not at all a bad idea. You just need to remember that the Midgard Project association can't make these commitments, but you have to arrange this with individual developers. Alan Knowles wrote: Did you fancy doing an asian tour ? I would love to. I held a session on Midgard in Global Linux 2000 in Seoul, Korea, and that was a very good trip. However, I believe that there are not yet many Midgard users in Asia. Of course, this could be a good opportunity for evangelizing Midgard there. Let me know if you're interested in arranging something like this. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Images from Midgard European Tour available
Greetings! I finally took time to post some of my pictures from the Midgard European Tour (June 17th - June 28th 2000) online. http://bergie.envida.org/misc/tour-2000/ You can find captions for the images in the captions.txt file. At the moment these are just files in a directory. I want to serve them as Midgard BLOBs, with appropriate thumbnails and everything, but haven't yet found the time to write code to do this. Because of the military service period, I can access Web for only two or three hours every week, so coding anything new is a bit difficult. However, if someone were to write code for this, I would be happy to implement it for these pictures. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Fwd: Problem with Midgard site at http://www.midgard-project.org/manual/midgard-help@greywolves.org?
Greetings! I think this is better resolved on the list... /Bergie, in a military hospital (just a flu) ___ Forward Header ___ Subject:Problem with Midgard site at http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]? Author: Roman Engelbarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:39:07 +0200 I have encountered a problem with Midgard's site at URL http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]? Could you please look at it? Comments: I´ve just installed midgard on a Suse Linux 6.4 System, and I´ve used the AMP Version installed by Suse. Now I´ve made all changes in the httpd.conf and updates to the db, but if I start the recommended server no authentification is requestet. So I put in the midgard_root.php3 file into the htdocs directory, but after the authorization Apache gives me an error that there is no user file present. Maybe I´ve done something wrong? I don´t know! Is there any experience in setting up midgard in the way I described it? Unfortunately I´m not that deep in LAMP to solve the problem on my own!? Thx for your help. (originating URL: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] My military service begins tomorrow
Greetings! My 180 days long military service begins tomorrow, so I'm now going offline. As my email connectivity will be unsteady at best, I'll unsubscribe the Midgard mailing lists now. I will still be reading my personal email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) every now and then, so you can contact me by using that. For urgent matters, please also contact Laeticia Soderman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), so she can get the word to me. I hope to work actively with Midgard again after my service ends. In the meanwhile, thanks to you all for being part of this community, it has been a great year working with you all! /Bergie PS. My personal Web site will show the amount of service days left. If there are any changes to it, I will update the information there. -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Where can I get an archive of the mailing listS ?
On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Greetings! I'll ask Cedric to communicate directly with you on this topic. He's attempting to pull all our existing materials into one local spot. He has commented that the current site is difficult to find things on without the use of "search". Ultimately, I suspect he'll demonstrate an improved organization of data. Not entirely sure about this but I know he's looking for a way to help us. That sounds very good. However, it would be good to do this in the scope of the new Midgard Web site (which is not yet released but can be tried at http://bergie.greywolves.org:8081), instead of the existing one. The organization of information is much improved in the newer site, thanks to efforts from Phillip Rotmann, Alexander and others. Ron /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Midgard association yearly meeting 2000 minutes
Greetings! Here's the English translation of the meeting minutes. It can also be found from: http://www.midgard-project.org/article/8249.html -- The Midgard Project Ry yearly meeting (June 24th 2000) Location: Aurora office, 69-71 Avenue Pierre Grenier, 92100 Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, France Time: June 24th 2000, 14.00 Participants: Wouter Crooy, Emiliano Heyns, Ron Parker, Armand Verstappen, Jean-Philippe Brunon, Cedric Musso, Christophe Dietrich, Jean-Pierre Arneodo, Patrick Duplouy, Alexander Bokovoy, David Guerizec, Henri Bergius, Laeticia Soderman Meeting minutes 1. Opening of the meeting The chairman Henri Bergius opened the meeting at 14.25 2. Choosing of the chairman, a secretary, two persons for checking the meeting minutes and two persons for counting the votes if needed. Henri Bergius was chosen for the chairman of the meeting, Laeticia Soderman as the secretary, and Emiliano Heyns and Wouter Crooy for counting the votes. 3. Noting of legality and jurisdiction The meeting was noted to be called together on April 14th in the official mailing list of the association, thus the meeting was noted legal and jurisdictory. 4. Accepting of the meeting items The meeting items were accepted without changes 5. Finalizing of budget and accounts for previous term of operation Because the association was founded on April 6th 2000,there hasn't been any annual report. Also the organization has not handled any monetary transactions, so the budget and accounts of previous term were left from the meeting scope. 6. Decision on freedom from responsibilities for board and acceptance of budget and account items Because of the youth of the organization, and lack of official operations during the previous term, handling of budget and account items in the meeting was not needed. The board of the previous term of operation was freed from responsibilities. 7. Acceptance of operational plan, budget and membership fees for next term of operation A specific operational plan was not made, but it was decided to continue the operations as defined in the charter of the association. A specific budget was not made for the next term, but the board gained jurisdiction for handling the associations budget decisions as defined in the association's charter, for the good of the association. Discussion about the specifics on the supportive membership was postponed for the item 11. "We support Midgard" program. For the supporting membership fees the personal fee was decided to be lowered to 50 EUR and the organizational fee was decided to be left to 1000 EUR. 8. Choosing of the chairman of the board, the board and other officials It was decided that Henri Bergius continues as the chairman of the association, and the same board continues. The board is: Eero af Heurlin, Jukka Zitting, Laeticia Soderman Armand Verstappen was chosen as the Documentation Branch Maintainer 9. Choosing of one or two accountants and vice accountants for both Henri Hovi will continue as the accountant of the association. Also his vice accountant Johannes Hentunen continues. 10. Membership terms for the term 2000-2001 No changes were made in the membership terms. 11. "We support Midgard" program For need of clarifying the supportive membership system of the organization, Henri Bergius proposed a new branding program for handling these memberships. The program provides companies and individuals operating in the Midgard space a means to fund Midgard by becoming supportive members for the association. While this kind of contribution is not required from any users of the Midgard software, many companies using it actively have shown interest in helping the project monetarily. While the members of this program would get no actual material benefits from it, they would be able to show commitment to the Midgard project by using a specific 'We support Midgard' label in their marketing communications. The actual benefit from their contribution would however be that the association would gain resources for advancing the Midgard project. The resources will be used according to the association's charter wholly to the benefit of the Midgard project. Examples of such usage would be acquiring of important server and connectivity infrastructure for the project, and allowing project members to participate in technical conferences and other important events. The program was accepted by the meeting, with the requirement of clarifying the actual meaning of the program and usage of the resources gained by the program in the association's communications. Trademarking the 'We support Midgard' label was discussed briefly but was declined because of too high costs. 12. Needed resources I. Project main server So far the Midgard project has been using a server computer owned by Harmaasudet Ry, and Finnish historical association as its main project server. This server has however been noted as too unreliab
Re: [midgard] Midgard
On 28 Jun, Emiliano Heyns wrote: Oops. Btw, is there a windows 98 and windows NT version? A porting effort has been started by http://www.opensa.de/ Actually, http://www.opensa.org/ Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Midgard European tour
Greetings! We finally arrived to Helsinki today with the Land Rover, so the Midgard European tour 2000 is now over. Thanks to everyone involved for making this a great trip! Next Midgard meeting will be during Jan/Feb 2001 in Helsinki, Finland, and I hope to see many of you here then. I have lots of pictures from this month-long tour (Atlanta - San Francisco - Helsinki - Seoul - Karlskrona - Arnhem - Paris - Stockholm - Helsinki), and I will post them to the site soon. My military service begins on Monday, so I will soon unsubscribe the Midgard mailing lists. I will be able to read my email now and then during the service period, so you can still reach me using my email address. I try to be somewhat involved in the Midgard community also during the service, and will at least monitor the progress using MWS and the mailing list archives. The service should end in new year, after which I will again be more active in the community. Thanks to everybody here for the last year! /Bergie PS. David, do you have the image archiving script ready? -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] The Midgard tour begins
Greetings! I got the hotel's LAN-over-serial Internet connection working, so I'll try to be in touch with you guys as much as I can. Quoting Emiliano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So expected arrival in Arnhem is on the 21st? Evening or morning? Probably evening on 20th. I have 21st evening arrival, 22nd netherlands, 23rd leave for France lodged in my brain. Someone help me out here, please. Actually, the one schedule is one day earlier, so we'll arrive on 20th, 21st in Netherlands, and 22nd leave for France. Emile /Bergie -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] new 1.4b3 spec
On 12 Jun, Ami Ganguli wrote: I've never messed with Redhat spec. files. Is it reasonable to auto-generate 'daily RPMs' based on current CVS? Would it be difficult to set up? It shouldn't be too difficult to make a script to do this, as long as we have some build machines available. To make it even better, we could add some reporting to the build script, that would tell the build status (succeeded/failed) to the Midgard Web site. This way we could have a Tinderbox-like functionality. I was working on a build system like this back in spring, but never had time to finish it. The system was written in Python to allow it to be generic enough to work on all our target platforms, and accept platform-specific build instructions in a XML format. I think this might be useful to some people and I'm willing to do it myself and host it my server as long as it's not a major undertaking. Very good. If you implement this, and have the RPMs available via HTTP somewhere, I'll then set up a cron job to mirror the packages to our main server. Ami. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard with iPlanet NSAPI?
Greetings! On 13 Jun, Paul Gillingwater wrote: Has anyone looked into whether Midgard's core module can be compiled using NSAPI, to work with Netscape's iPlanet Web server? I think the regular PHP already works with NSAPI, so the only thing that would need porting is mod_midgard. Does anyone know NSAPI enough to make any estimations on the amount of work involved? It would be a good thing to support other Web servers besides Apache. If this port isn't feasible for Midgard 1.4, then it should be at least in the requirements for Midgard 2. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard with iPlanet NSAPI?
On 13 Jun, Emiliano wrote: I'd welcome it. Time permitting, I'll look into AOLServer. Hopefully the request phases are more flexible there. Apache is great and all but it makes us go through some utterly insane hoops. Yes, it would be good to support as many servers as possible. This should make porting between different operating systems easier as well. I would love to see Midgard+Repligard available for Epoc so I could develop Web applications on the road. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] The Midgard tour begins
Greetings! I will be leaving to airport bus in a couple of minutes. I just wanted to note that the Midgard tour is now beginning. I will be in Global Linux 2000, Korea for this week, and then fly on Sunday to Sweden, where we will have a Midgard seminar in Karlskrona. After Karlskrona the next location is Arnhem, The Netherlands, where we will meet with Emile. After Arnhem, we will drive to Paris on Thursday 22nd. We will have a Midgard developer meeting there on June 24th - 25th. I look forward to meeting many of you along the route! And to others, there will probably be another tour next year, with different locations, so we'll hopefully meet then. As I'm not sure how much connectivity I will have on the road, here's the contact information for the events: Global Linux 2000, Seoul, Korea http://www.globallinux2000.com Midgard Seminar, Karlskrona, Sweden http://www.marlowes.com Michael Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midgard meeting, Arnhem, The Netherlands Emile Heyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midgard Developer Meeting, Paris, France http://bergie.greywolves.org/misc/tour-2000/paris/ David Guerizec [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the tour: http://bergie.greywolves.org/misc/tour-2000/ Eero af Heurlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Install trouble: I must be close, but not there yet
Greetings! On 12 Jun, Rob Leachman wrote: I don't have those, but I do have these: LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so AddModule mod_php4.c This will work with php4 won't it? I think I'm starting over with a fresh build (see next) and knowing this will be important. Sorry, you need the Midgard-patched version of PHP3 at the moment. We're working with Zend to get Midgard included to PHP4, but this will still take time. Also, and I wonder if this is the problem just noticed it, I did not build my PHP with mysql extensions... seems an obvious "go to jail go directly to jail" kind of thing doesn't it? No time to fix this just now (though I'm getting pretty good at compiling Apache, ha ha) but I'll do it tonite, unless someone has a different idea. You don't need MySQL support in your PHP, if you only want to access the database through Midgard's database abstraction (topics, articles, etc.) While Midgard uses MySQL (or Oracle) as its database, it handles the database connection with midgard-lib, and not the PHP database connectivity libraries. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [midgard] Announcement: Midgard Translation (German, Spanish) by Lanifex Partners
On 8 Jun, Ken Pooley wrote: first I miss Henri (ok that was my fault...I mark it up to fatigue and some small measure of stooopidity) then I will miss the meeting in Paris, a huge blow, and now this! I am just not enjoying myself here.. Ouch, that is too bad. Well, maybe we can arrange the next year's Midgard meeting in the US? kp /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Fwd: apxs make error (using Apache 1.3.6)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Partyka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: apxs make error (using Apache 1.3.6) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:30:55 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I am trying to install midgard on a linux box with apache 1.3.6, and I have confirmed it is using the apxs distributed with 1.3.6, yet i'm still getting this error. Thanks for any help you may provide. -Jason output: -- gcc -DLINUX=2 -DUSE_HSREGEX -I/webhome/include -I/usr/local/include -c mod_midgard.c -o mod_midgard.so mod_midgard.o -L/usr/local/lib -lmidgard apxs:Break: Command failed with rc=16711680 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Products and Topics once again
On 7 Jun, Frank Boehme wrote: ooops it doesn.t work , no error but no topics Topic records do not have a title field! Yes. If you are actually using topics, then the field you want is 'name'. However, if you want to list articles instead, use mgd_list_topic_articles Frank /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] A newby question
On 26 May, Sam Grinstead wrote:
I've not worked with php or midgard before, and I have a pretty
basic question on loops. How do you imbed one loop in another? I want
to display the information in a tree with each of the topic names followed
by the articles in that topic. These two display all the topics, then all
the names.
You simply add the second loop within the first.
Here's an example:
?php
$topic = mgd_list_topics(354);
if ($topic) {
for ($i = 0; $i 25 $topic-fetch(); $i++) {
/* We're inside the topic listing for loop now */
?
strong(topic.name);/strongbr
?php
$article = mgd_list_topic_articles($topic-id);
if ($article) {
/* I'm using 'while' here but a 'for' loop
would work as well */
while ($article-fetch()) {
?
(article.title);br
(article.abstract);br
?php
}
}
}
}
?
Hopefully this helps.
Sam
/Bergie
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[midgard] Fwd: [midgard-dev] European Tour - Paris Meeting Schedule
-- Forwarded message -- From: "David Guerizec" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [midgard-dev] European Tour - Paris Meeting Schedule Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:13:32 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, For every midgardian who's interrested in the Paris meeting in June, here is the schedule for the stay: Thursday, June 22nd - Arrival Park cars Get rooms at Olympic Hotel Rush to the pub ! Try to get some sleep Friday, June 23rd - Sight seeing day Wake up time whenever possible Adventures in Paris Diner Rush to the pub (if you can :) Pass out from exhaution Saturday, June 24th - Midgard now 10h30 Rendez-vous at La Défense with Jean-Pierre How do you do ? Midgard guys introduction Midgard sites presentation 12h30 Lunch break 14h00 Midgard Project Ry yearly meeting Henri's discours... 16h00 End of meeting Free time Diner Rush to the pub Good nite ! Sunday, June 25th - Future of Midgard 10h30 Rendez-vous at Concorde Once upon a time Midgard 2.0 12h30 Out to lunch 14h00 Delirium Futurum 16h00 End of meeting Rush to the pub (again ;) Bed time Monday, June 26th - Departure Wake up early Take the car On the way home ! You'll find more information on the locations at http://bergie.greywolves.org/misc/tour-2000/paris/ Best regards David -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [midgard] {object.id}.html
On 18 May, Nick Rohrlach wrote: (code-compat) What does this one do? These 'reserved' elements don't do anything by themselves, only what you program them to do. However, a convenient practice could be the following: code-compat Compatibility code used for handling possible differences between Midgard versions. Can be also useful when moving to Midgard from regular PHP code-global Handling of globally-used functions and variables code-init Handling of active page parameters and setting variables needed in page construction. Also, setting additional HTTP headers could be done here. Nick /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Binaries
On 19 May, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greetings! I am running a COMPAQ Alpha Station with SuSE Linux 6.3 (kernel 2.2.13) with egcs-1.1.2. I just have downloaded your source. Are you interested in a copy of the resulting binaries for your download page? Sure! Can you make them available somewhere? I can then copy them over to our site. Martin /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] About the Paris meeting
On 17 May, Emiliano wrote: The plans for the stay in .nl are also still very open. Any ideas yet on ETA/ETD? Maybe we could get together on IRC to synchronize? Not yet, since this depends on the plans in Paris. However, we'll start driving from Karlskrona towards the Netherlands in Tuesday 20th morning, and will probably be there sometime in the evening. The departure date to Paris then depends on how long we want to be in .nl. I'd imagine we'd like to be there for one full day, and then start moving to Paris sometime in Thursday 22nd. The other option would be to stay for two full days in .nl. David, Jean-Pierre and Emile, what time would be OK to you for the IRC session? Of course, others interested in the arrangements are also free to attend. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] {object.id}.html
On 19 May, Steve Sobol wrote: Obviously code-init is... well, I hesitate to call it a "reserved" keyword, but that's what it would be called in other programming languages... point is, "code-init" is an element name that has special meaning to Midgard. I've seen "code-global" used on the Admin site also. Is there a list of these special element names and their meanings anywhere on the Midgard web site? When serving pages, Midgard begins constructing them by parsing the midgard-root.php3 file. You can find the following style elements called in there: (code-compat) (code-global) (code-init) (ROOT) These are the 'reserved' style element names Midgard has, and can be used in your applications. As you see, the ROOT element is also called there, bringing the Midgard Style into use. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Site structure, was Re: Can't login to admin site
On 12 May, Philipp Rotmann wrote: Graphical tour ... based on the slides from the Midgard Workshop? Nope. Rather a series of screenshots around the Admin site. There is something like this already on the site, although it could be improved a lot: http://www.midgard-project.org/topic/290.html Management summary What does this one mean? The "Business Case for Midgard"? Yes, in a short format. Michael Ed was working on something like this last autumn, but I'm not sure if anything came of it. What about a link to all or to selected case studies under "About"? Sure, although we don't have any case studies yet. This was one of the things I meant with the crosslinking. Documentation Link to Mailing lists as another source of documentation? A good point. What is exactly the difference between "Getting Started" and "Acquiring Midgard" and "About Midgard"? As I understand this kind of labeling system, "Acquiring Midgard" would be a guide to planning and implementing a Midgard solution, whereas "About Midgard" would include general information on Midgard for people who do not want to deploy Midgard anywhere yet. I agree on "About Midgard". However, the idea of "Getting started" was to provide a set of links to resources around the site that would help people start working with Midgard. This would of course also include links to information on installing Midgard or finding a hosting provider. "Acquiring Midgard" is the current "Getting Midgard" section. It maybe should be renamed to "Download" to make things clearer. I'm still not sure whether to include "Hosting providers" here, since "my" "Getting started" would be a mainly technical topic -- perhaps it would fit better under "About Midgard", with links from "Getting started" and "Midgard Community"? We will have two levels of links in the front page of every section, so we can prioritize stuff based on what is seen as most relevant for that particular section. Also, I think in this case more links is better than less links, so that people find the information they're looking for more easily. Done ;-) Thanks! phr /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Site structure, was Re: Can't login to admin site
On 12 May, Emiliano wrote: I'd like to see the Active project list(s) here somewhere. Yes, that would be the correct place. However, some questions before I even think about implementing it: -How would this relate with Keystone? -Would people really keep it up-to-date? -Any ideas for needed functionality? Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Re: Midgard and multi-language web site
On 11 May, Emiliano wrote: Since you'll need admin customizations anyway, you could store this xlink info in record extensions I guess. If you're still on Midgard 1.2.5, another place to store this information could be the 'name' field. Just provide translations with the same 'name' attribute, and you can easily present them together in a custom administration interface. BTW, if you want to see the solution Henri described in action, our http://www.stonejobs.com uses it. We support two languages there. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] About the Paris meeting
On 11 May, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ehhh.. :-( I have no time and some limitation in funds to go to Paris this summer... I think that we could arrange next year meeting in Belarus? ;-) I kind of had the idea that we would sooner or later want to visit Minsk. However, this summer is already quite full of activities. I'll be caught up with the army service until winter, so next year sounds good. Of course, the other option would be for some of the companies doing business with Midgard to pay your trip to Paris. Any takers? Alexander /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] php configure warning:
On 9 May, Daryle Dianis wrote: ok, I can answer my own question, sometimes, the php site helped out with this. I got bison, installed it. I'm back to 'midgardengine on' mispelled or missing library or something. I think the directives in httpd.conf are case sensitive, so this should be: MidgardEngine on If this is not the problem, are you sure the Midgard modules have been loaded to your Apache? daryle /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Site structure, was Re: Can't login to admin site
On 10 May, Sergey N. Brusov wrote: Thanx, I get it worked. Isn't so easy to find that info on Midgard Project site! I agree. The current architecture of our site is rather confusing. I'm planning to do a redesign of the site this month (actually, I started the work today), and I'll try to rearrange the contents for better usability as well. Here's the new site structure I've been thinking about: About Midgard (generic product info) Introduction to Midgard Graphical tour Licensing Organization - Management summary Introduction to Midgard's architecture Platforms (summary on OSs Midgard works with) - Getting started Tutorial - Installation guide - Troubleshooting - Hosting providers - FAQ - Technology solutions Architecture Whitepapers (about Midgard components, etc) Case studies Midgard-powered Web sites Roadmap Acquiring Midgard Platforms Downloads Installation guide - Hosting providers Troubleshooting Documentation Midgard Manual Tutorial - (in manual) FAQ - (in manual) Installation guide - (in manual) Function reference - (in manual) Midgard community Contributions Development contributions Documentation contributions Packaging contributions The Midgard Project Ry - Mailing lists Subscribing Archives The Midgard Project Ry Organizational charter Board and officials Membership Regulations Papers The idea here is that the sections should be interlinked very strongly. We don't have content for all sections yet, but I hope we'll see progress in that field soon. Please comment. Sergey Brusov /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] moving article
On 9 May, Henri Bergius wrote: ?php $article = 123; $target_topic = 456; mgd_move_article($article, $target_topic); ? Actually, there is a bug here (in PHP or Midgard? I'm not sure). The mgd_move_xx functions do not return any values, but if their nonexistent return value is not read to a variable, the PHP parser exits. So instead of the example above, do: ?php $status = mgd_move_article($article, $target_topic); ? /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] The first year of Midgard
Greetings! It is now a year since Midgard 1.0 was first released on May 8th 1999. While the project has obviously been going on for a longer time than that (first mention of the project is on Bergie's personal Web site, dated April 25th 1998), the 1.0 launch was when the project became public. As it is very easy to only see where the project is now, and forget the long process that has taken us here, I decided to put together a quick look back into major happenings with the project in last year. To summarize, the year was one of quick growth for Midgard. We've gathered a quite sizable community of active users and contributors, and also made inroads to corporate acceptance of Midgard both as an important business tool, and a product. In addition, the Midgard application server itself has evolved much from its modest beginnings, and the development team has had good time working on it. - http://www.midgard-project.org/article/1712.html Please note that this document is still in draft state. If you want to make any additions or corrections, please contact Henri Bergius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about them. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Debian packages of midgard 1.2.5, please test
On 8 May, Teemu Hukkanen wrote: I'm still waiting for a version of midgard that doesn't use mysql, but as I needed the packages myself, I spent a bit more time in making them, and will make them available. Thanks! We have some spare Debian boxes here at work where we can install them. URL:http://www.fishpool.com/debian/midgard/ However, the page had some problems with it. Please end the HEAD element there, and configure your server to understand .deb files. Otherwise downloading is slightly difficult. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Debian packages of midgard 1.2.5, please test
On 8 May, Teemu Hukkanen wrote: I've added the dependency now, and also fixed the problems described below, new packages are being uploaded as I write this. Thanks! I'll test this on the boxes I have running Debian unstable at work tomorrow. BTW, would it make sense to create a Packages.gz file for the directory, so that this could be installed using apt-get? /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [midgard] MWS for 3rd of May, 2000 (#36)
Greetings! On 5 May, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll wait for Henri to explain the technical details to me, then we'll just do the first one and see what developes. It shouldn't be to difficult if programmers send us an abstract of their activities. Of course we'll pick plenty of material from the list. Thanks to you three for volunteering! I definitely have nothing against you guys continuing the MWS production. Gathering the MWSs is relatively simple. I have an email template (which I can put into the CVS if needed), to which I gather the newsworthy items from list archives every Wednesday. Then I just reread it to get rid of obvious spelling or factual mistakes, and post it to the list and some other email addresses (editors from the sites that run MWS). After the email arrives to the list, I then go and create a new topic to the Midgard Web site under which I then place the news items as articles. So, how shall we proceed with this. When do you want to start producing the summaries? Also, how will you share the responsibility (do you take turns in producing the MWS, etc.)? Sound good? Very good. Ron /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Schedules
On 5 May, Philipp Rotmann wrote: Hi, Greetings! When do you plan to release a final version of Midgard 1.4? Alexander said that the production deadline for beta4 would be on May 28th (three days after the deadline for two-way Repligard). The beta should come out soon after that. After the beta we will concentrate on fixing problems found by the testers, and try to get the final 1.4 release out in mid-June. Of course, these schedules may still change. When will ACLs get implemented? There has been some discussion on introducing them to the Midgard 1.x tree. However, I'd guess they won't be ready for Midgard 1.4. So perhaps the next release, like 1.4.1? Emile, Alexander, what are your opinions on this? phr /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Schedules
On 5 May, Emiliano wrote: Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. The acl proposal can be ported back to the 1.4 series. When the repligard guids are in effect it'd be a 2-3 week effort. I'm just not sure that we should. I agree with your concerns on this. The 1.x architecture isn't too flexible, and so additions like this can become messy. The other option would be to start the work on Midgard 2 after we get 1.4 final out, and slowly move all efforts to the new architecture. To do that, we would need to get a usable alpha version of the 2.x architecture out soon, though. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Re: 1.4beta3: Something is not working
On 3 May, Frank Boehme wrote: mod_midgard.c(619): [client 143.239.211.92] Midgard: host record for wizard.ucc.ie:8101 not found snip +++--+---+--+---+--++--+---+ | id | name | root | style | info | owner | port | online | prefix | sitegroup | +++--+---+--+---+--++--+---+ | 1 | wizard.ucc.ie:8101 |1 | 1 | auth | 1 | 8101 | 1 | /admin | 0 | The problem is with the prefix there, it is an integral part of your Midgard host. This means that your host can be found from http://wizard.ucc.ie:8101/admin/ Instead of just: http://wizard.ucc.ie:8101/ If you want to use the latter, update your host record to have an empty prefix field: UPDATE host SET prefix='' WHERE id=1; In row 1, I manually changed owner from 0 to 1, because there is no member with id 0. Was this correct? The owner field points to a group. The group 0 is Administrator (root) group. Frank /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] MWS for 3rd of May, 2000 (#36)
Greetings! It seems that my schedules have forced these summaries to a semi-weekly state. It certainly doesn't do justice to the speed Midgard development projects are evolving, and I apologize for that. It is possible for others to help with this, though, as can be seen from the last item in this week's MWS. But now to the announcements... Current versions: Stable: 1.2.5 (Mad King) Devel.: 1.4-beta3 Oracle: 1.2.5-beta1 Midgard 1.2.5-beta1 for Oracle released Jean-Pierre Arneodo has released the first beta release of Midgard 1.2.5 for the Oracle 8i database environment. The release has been developed by Philippe Pierre, Christophe Azecat, Bruno Richaud and Jean-Pierre Arneodo, and was sponsored by E-TARGET-B, a French eCommerce software developer. The Oracle port of Midgard should be mostly compatible with the regular (MySQL) versions of Midgard on the PHP level. In addition, it includes the record extension system developed by Initiative Internet. Since this is still a beta release, caution should be exercised in deploying it. In case of installation problems, please contact the Midgard mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). The release announcement can be found from the Midgard Web site. - http://www.midgard-project.org/article/1697.html Midgard European tour meetings in June A group of Finnish Midgard enthusiasts will be driving from Helsinki to Paris in late June (weeks 25 and 26). Along the way, we will have several meetings with local Midgard people, the major ones being held in Karlskrona (Sweden), Arnhem (The Netherlands) and Paris (France). In Karlskrona, we will have a Midgard seminar sponsored by Roxtec on Monday June 19th, and in Paris a bigger meeting in the weekend starting on Friday June 23rd. The current state of the tour plans can be seen from my personal Web site. We are still accepting suggestions for locations where to stop along the route, as well as things to discuss in the meetings. Welcome! - http://bergie.greywolves.org/misc/tour-2000/ Midgard US tour in July In addition to the European tour, there is also one coming up in the United States. Ken Pooley is arranging the roadtrip to be in July, with a meeting in Armadillo. I'm not talking about details here, as those are not quite clear yet. Ken's announcement on the tour can be found from Midgard's mailing list archives: - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgardm=95693658426958w=2 Migrating to SiteGroups There is now a new utility available for migrating a Midgard database to use the new SiteGroups virtual database environment that comes with Midgard 1.4-beta3. The tool is still rather experimental, but might be helpful for people considering the move to this new system. If you wish to use it, be sure to read the sources first! - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgard-devm=95720922813320w=2 Looking for new MWS editor Because of my army service starting in early July, I'm now looking for someone to take the responsibility of producing these summaries. While I will probably have some level of connectivity during my service, I'll still be unable to follow Midgard development quite as closely as I do now. If you are following the discussions on Midgard mailing lists, and would be interested in starting to gather these summaries, please let me know and we can discuss the details. - http://bergie.greywolves.org/contact/ About Midgard Midgard is a freely-available Web application development and publishing platform based on the popular PHP scripting language. It is an Open Source development project, giving you the freedom to create your solutions in an open environment. Midgard is the tool for creating, modifying and maintaining dynamic database-enabled web services. - http://www.midgard-project.org About MWS The Midgard Weekly Summary is a newsletter for the Midgard user and developer community. The MWS is currently being distributed in following mediums: -The Midgard Project's Web site - http://www.midgard-project.org -Linux Weekly News - http://www.lwn.net -Linux Today - http://www.linuxtoday.com -Linux Developer's Network - http://linuxdev.net -LinuxProgramming - http://www.linuxprogramming.com -Midgard mailing list If you would like to release it elsewhere, please contact Henri Bergius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Previous issues of Midgard Weekly Summary can be found archived at the Midgard web site. - http://www.midgard-project.org/topic/169.html /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi
[midgard] Midgard people in Atlanta, GA?
Greetings! Henri Hovi and I will be visiting Stonesoft's Atlanta office for internal training purposes on week #22 (May 27th - June 4th). In addition, Henri Hovi will probably be in San Mateo sometime around May 26th or 29th. If there are Midgard people near these locations we could try to arrange some kind of a meeting, as we'll miss the US Midgard road trip. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] First beta of Midgard 1.2.5 for Oracle released
First beta of Midgard 1.2.5 for Oracle released The first test release of Midgard 1.2.5 port to the Oracle 8i database is now available for download. This release E-TARGET-B, a French eCommerce software developer has sponsored a port of version 1.2.5 of the Midgard Web Application Server to the Oracle 8i database platform. This improves Midgard's scalability greatly, making it a possible Web architecture solution in even demanding publishing and eCommerce environments. The software has been released under the original Midgard licensing terms, and is compatible on the application level with the regular (MySQL) version of Midgard. The release also includes Initiative Internet's solution for adding extensible record support to Midgard. While it is still unclear whether the release will be integrated with the official Midgard source branch, it is an important step in Midgard's evolution towards actual database independence. The release is available in source format, and includes preliminary installation notes. Documentation for the release is still under work, and will hopefully be included to the next beta release of Midgard's Oracle port. Because of lacking documentation, it is recommended to contact the Midgard mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in case of installation problems. Developers for the Oracle port were: -Philippe Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED], DBA -Christophe Acezat [EMAIL PROTECTED], OCI -Bruno Richaud, Debug -Jean-Pierre Arneodo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The release can be downloaded from: http://demo.initiative.fr/midgard/oracle/ See also the original release notes for Midgard 1.2 series: http://www.midgard-project.org/article/1171.html Licensing issues The Midgard core libraries are distributed under the GNU Library General Public License, a license which permits the software to be freely used so long as it is dynamically linked or the user can relink it to new versions of the libraries. This is the same license used by, for example, the Linux C libraries. Because of the licensing scheme, Midgard can be considered to be free software developed with an Open Source model. The Midgard-based administration tools and usage examples in the Midgard packages are distributed under the X Consortium license, which doesn't impose any conditions on modification or redistribution of source code or binaries other than requiring that copyright/license notices are left intact. About Midgard Midgard is a freely-available Web application development and publishing platform based on the popular PHP scripting language. It is an Open Source development project, giving you the freedom to create your solutions in an open environment. Midgard is the tool for creating, modifying and maintaining dynamic database-enabled Web services. Learn more at http://www.midgard-project.org/ About E-TARGET-B E-TARGET-B develops a product to maintain the logistic product chain, from a basket, as front office, to the shipping through suppliers. The back office of the tool is written in Midgard, and the front office is Midgard itself. About The Midgard Project Ry The Midgard Project is a nonprofit organization founded in Helsinki, Finland to advance the development and usage of the Midgard Web Application environment and project, and to provide equal opportunities of making use of the system to both users and developers. The organization offers all contributors of the Midgard project the needed development environment by governing the copyrights of the major components of the Midgard Application Server. Contact information Jean-Pierre Arneodo, Initiative Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henri Bergius, The Midgard Project Ry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [midgard] everything
On 1 May, Maarten Stolte wrote: please ban all adresses not on subscribed? We'd rather not do that, as it would make the list less approachable for people who actually want to discuss Midgard. As Emile mentioned earlier, we view the occasional spam email less severe than alienating potential users. Of course, this point is open to discussion. If people feel strongly that a different policy would need to be implemented, we'll of course do so. To prevent flooding the list with discussion on this, please reply to me (Cc:ing Emile and Jukka preferably) privately. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Install on Virtual server
On 28 Apr, Todd Bole wrote: Hello - Greetings! Midgard looks very much like what I am looking for, although I was wondering, is it possible to install on a "virtual" server? I am using www.nomonthlyfees.com as my virtual server. I have my own domain www.rockcut.com with access to MySQL via MyPHPadmin. At this time I do not have Telnet access, but I could if I needed to. But I don't have, and can not have any access to the Apache Server setup files or anything like that. Will I be wasting my time in trying to setup Midgard? The lack of administrative access to the Apache installation there is a stopper here. However, if you can install your own software there, you could possibly run a Midgard+Apache installation there in a nonstandard port number (say, 8080), and redirect the queries from your regular Apache installation to that. Todd Bole [EMAIL PROTECTED] /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] ImageFiles
On 27 Apr, Dennis Gearon wrote: Are images stored in BLOB format on the backend database, or are they stored as files and the filelink stored in the backend database? If you are using the Midgard article attachments, then they are stored into the file system, with links in a Midgard table. However, Emile is working on adding BLOB support to Midgard. If you are interested in it, the code is available for download: http://www.midgard-project.org/article/1680.html Dennis K. Gearon (Kegley) /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] European tour and developer meeting
Greetings! To follow up with the European tour plans I posted earlier (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgardm=95588408906905w=2), we now have some schedules available. The tour will take place on weeks 25 and 26, with the developer meeting in Paris probably being on June 23rd to 25th. It seems that we will also have a Midgard seminar in Karlskrona, Sweden during the tour. The seminar will be arranged by Michael Ed from Roxtec. I have some information on the tour available on my Web site: http://bergie.greywolves.org/misc/tour-2000/ As earlier, please let me know if you want to make modifications to the schedule or want to participate in some way. Also, if you live somewhere along the route and would like to arrange something, let us know. Of course, we're still in middle of planning these things, so the schedules might be subject to even severe changes. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] How the different Open Source components connect
Greetings! On 24 Apr, Dennis Gearon wrote: This is is how I believe that a site using Midgard application server is set up as far as abstraction layers, services supplies between components and hardware, and installation dependencies. To build this, start from the bottom. What I am not sure of is where PERL fits in if at all, if PHP is drawn into Midgard or Apache completely or it is still a seperate service of the Linux system, and if Midgard calls down to Apache or it is drawn into and part of Apache. Would someone on the list draw up a representative of how these relationships really are, including options? Thank you in advance. Your diagram was mostly correct. However, here is how the different Midgard components interact: Midgard-Lib is the core Midgard library that handles Midgard's interaction with the MySQL database, and provides basic API for the other modules to use. Midgard-PHP is a patched version of the regular PHP module. It has functions for accessing parts of the Midgard database through midgard-lib (like mgd_get_article). Midgard-php works as a Apache module. Mod_Midgard is a Apache module that handles catching all URL requests for Midgard hosts and pages and forwarding those to Midgard-PHP for processing. It also uses Midgard-Lib for database connectivity. Dennis K. Gearon (Kegley) /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] zip archive?
On 24 Apr, Michael McCue wrote: I am hosted by a virtual host and I do all site development via a windows machine... is there a .zip archive of midgard that I can download and look at locally before uploading to my server? Sorry, since Midgard is at the moment available only for UNIX platforms, we distribute it only as tarballs or platform-specific binary packages. If you only want to look at the sources, WinZip should be able to handle the .tar.gz compression. You can also read the sources via a Web interface at http://www.midgard-project.org/cvsweb.pl There is a Windows port of Midgard under work by the Open Server Architecture project. See their page at http://www.opensa.org/midgard for more information. Also, I am looking to host information in thousands of MySQL records, spanned across several tables, ex : Movie titles, with the descriptions, screen shots (in another table using a primary key from the movies table), reviews (in another table, again using a primary key from the movie title). The movie titles would be broken up into several "groups" such as beta, vhs, and dvd... I would need users to be able to search all these records, as well as get to the individual record/information by a top down selection process... would it be too difficult to get into midgard to do this ? Currently my site is being built under php... Well, since Midgard contains PHP you can keep the current code there and access the database with it, and still benefit from Midgard's style handling, etc. However, Midgard should be able to do the job, especially with the record extension system currently being worked on for Midgard 1.4-beta4. It will require some PHP coding, though. Last question, how does midgard compare to Zope? Are they of the same idea? They are pretty much different in both usage and architecture. You can find some information on the differences by reading some of the various discussions on the topic available online: http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Midgard/ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgardm=95372424006580w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgardm=95372395706400w=2 http://www.midgard-project.org/manual/faq.other.html#FAQ.OTHER.ZOPE And does midgard manage users in the way I'm thinking... such as creating a registry, users log on and log off of services ? Users have permissions based on their memberships to different groups. They can log on and off between sites as needed. Mike /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] HELP:apxs not included in redhat6.x apache
On 26 Apr, daniel rapp wrote: Need help... i have redhat6.1, the apache version that came with the system uses Dynamic modules... and all that but dosent have axps. I have updated apache today, to the newest.. (used the rpm package..) but with the same result.. ii have even tried copying apxs from another computer ... no luck there... /thanks... You need the apache-dev package as well. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Web Techniques article on Midgard
Greetings! The Web Techniques article earlier mentioned by Carilda is now available online: http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/2000/05/jepson/ While the article only touches the very basics of Midgard development, it is rather positive: "I found Midgard extremely usable on the first try, which is more than I can say for a lot of software." /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] cluster?
On 25 Apr, Andrew Voronin wrote: Hi! Greetings! Is Midgard ready for cluster environment? Midgard is just an add-on for Apache, so normal Apache clustering capabilities should apply. The only concern Midgard brings to a clustering environment is that the servers should either use the same database server, or you need to ensure in some other way that the databases being used all contain the same data. To do this, you can either use MySQL dumps that are transferred from a master server to the cluster servers, or use the Repligard database replication technology. Repligard is not yet available in Midgard releases, but you can compile it yourself from CVS. However, I haven't yet tried building a Midgard cluster yet myself, but I'm looking to try our new StoneBeat WebCluster (http://www.stonebeat.com) product with it. Andrew Voronin /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Found a site you should be on ...
On 24 Apr, Rudolf Potucek wrote: Hi Guys! Greetings! I admit I am somewhat unhappy with the basic concept behind midgard (then again I still do not quite understand it, either) so I went and looked for other products and I found this site: http://idm.internet.com/tools/km.shtml which lists all sorts of content management systems. Since Midgard ain't there I figured I'd give you a hint ... Thanks! I sent them details on Midgard for inclusion. P.S.: I guess the things I dislike most about midgard are the lack of decent documentation (but I've seen you're workng on that), BTW. This is something that everybody can help with. the totally non-obvious initial setup (both to get the engine running and to get a working basic page structure. That is also something that is being worked on. I'd identify the three most important steps here as: -Getting Midgard bundled with Linux distributions (this will require Postgres support as MySQL can't be shipped with distributions) -The Repligard packaging system will make installing and configuring the basic Midgard applications (like Admin site) much easier -We need a generic installation script that would make the process easier on platforms that we don't have binaries for (I'm working on a solution for this) Also, better documentation will help here. MOST of all however I feel there is a lack article management functionality, i.e. you can't add fields to the article type (at least not obviously) and there is no decent way of moving articles around or backing up while sections (at least not short of analyzing a lot of midgard code and doing some fancy SQL coding but that is just waht midgard is supposed to do for you, isn't it? Eventually, yes. Most of the functionality you mention already exists in the 1.4 betas, although the Admin site doesn't support it all yet. If you want these functionalities, just get a recent development version and make a custom content administration interface that supports them. Or if that sounds too much work, then just wait for a stable 1.4 release. There are currently two different implementations for extensible records support in Midgard. Emile's implementation is available in the CVS, and the one created by Jean-Pierre Arneodo from Initiative Internet will be shipping with Midgard 1.2.5-oracle. Version control is something that nobody is really working on at the moment. There have been some PHP-level solutions for this, but sooner or later we'll need to have a real system for it. This is something where you can help by contributing design ideas or even actual code. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard hosting in General
On 12 Apr, Emiliano wrote: Once Henri gets back we'll have a page on the midgard site pointing to these opportunities. It's good to have these ventures pop up. I'll start setting up a section about hosting providers on the Midgard site, but before that I would like to receive some information about the organizations providing the hosting: Name URL Email Short description of company and the service Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Documentation.
On 15 Apr, Miles Scruggs wrote: It would be nice to have a place, site, list or somewhere we could submit questions that the manual doesn't answer. Then others could work on developing answers. We have that for the source but nothing for documentation. I know not everyone can write code and not everyone is good at explaining it but between the two groups we could have some nice documentation. This idea has been discussed before, and Paul Newby was already developing a new section to the Midgard site for this. However, I haven't heard anything about it for quite some time now. Miles Scruggs /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] SiteGroups: sitegroups02.txt
On 16 Apr, Henri Bergius wrote: Adequate documentation is part of Jukka's Repligard project at Stonesoft, so that should be forthcoming. As an update, Johannes Hentunen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) from Stonesoft has been assigned to work on the Repligard docs. He'll be writing the API documentation first, and then possibly start work on user documentation. I will grant him a CVS write access when he has some material ready. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] European tour and developer meeting
On 20 Apr, David Guerizec wrote: Aha, but does it have a fridge with beer? If it is still alive in June, it will surelly be full of beer ;-) Great! It seems that we're getting a requirements spec together for the meeting... ;-) But seriously, we will be depending on local people to arrange the meetings and locations on the tour. Now that we have at least a couple of places where tp have a meeting up (Maarten's and David's), we can start planning the tour. I will have a meeting with Eero sometime next week, so if you have any suggestions for places along the route or schedules, please let us know. David /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] question
On 21 Apr, Janet Pipkin wrote: we are currently using midgard. it was installed by a previous employee. i am trying to determine what version it is. would you please tell me how i would locate that info. This information is contained in the Server string that is transmitted alongside every HTTP request. The easiest way to find it out would be to establish a telnet connection to the server (port 80) and run a HEAD command (HEAD / HTTP/1.0 [enter] [enter]). This should produce something like the following: $ telnet www.stonesoft.com 80 Trying 192.89.38.169... Connected to www.stonesoft.com. Escape character is '^]'. HEAD / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:49:55 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.6.2 OpenSSL/0.9.5 Midgard/1.4-beta3 PHP/3.0.15+Midgard/1.4-beta3 WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Midgard" X-Powered-By: PHP/3.0.15 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 Content-Type: text/html Connection: close Connection closed by foreign host. The information is also available as the variable $SERVER_SOFTWARE inside Midgard pages. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] [Fwd: Additional BTW]
On 20 Apr, Jean-Pierre Arneodo wrote: J'ai de regret, This is a last minute thought, what kind of version control for content is in Midgard? There is nothing inbuilt (we don't want to force the additions to database sizes caused by this to all users), but a simple version controlling system can be easily implemented by using a custom content administration interface. We're doing this with our Intranet at Stonesoft. The article administration interface we use saves all modifications as reply articles to the latest article version, so the history can be tracked quite easily. As an addition, we also use the approval feature for controlling what article versions are shown on the production sites. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Issues with 1.4b3 Install
On 18 Apr, Fred Hirsch wrote: Hallo, Greetings! Got 1.4b3 installed with very few problems after upgrading from 1.26b2. That is good to hear. I haven't yet had the time to try the release myself... Admin has a plain password of "**password" assigned in the database, while the test user has an encrypted password. No matter what I attempt, I cannot logon to the admin ID using the given password. However, the test user can logon just fine. The new Midgard version has SiteGroups enabled by default, and so uses its login conventions. Here is what Emile wrote on it recently: The delimiters are now: '*' I am root and want a full view of the system '!' I am root and want an admin view '$' I am root and I want a user view '+' I am an admin/user Fred /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Article on midgard
On 17 Apr, Carilda Thomas wrote: Did I miss a mention in the lists or I am the first to have seen the article on Midgard in the May issue of Web Techniques by Brian Jepson? I think you are, I just got the April issue a couple of days ago. Thanks for mentioning it! It is a nice little cookbook on how to get started. I tried to see if it's online, and it will be available at www.webtechniques.com/archives/2000/05 somewhere after 1 May. May I suggest that one of the officers request permission to duplicate it on the site, or at minimum, link to it? I'll do that once it appears. Do we know who Brian Jepson is? Or am I just out of it lately? (Not that the two are mutually exclusive... tax time in US, and I am only 18 months behind on my paperwork... ) At least he hasn't been active on our mailing list. A quick search on MARC shows that he's been posting on various Linux/Apache/Perl mailing lists, though. His author line on other Web Techniques articles appears to be "Brian is the author of the UNIX Perl Resource Kit Utilities Guide (O'Reilly Associates)." Anyway, it is nice to see that even other people than the Midgard team are interested in writing about it. cat /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] HELP - serving different layouts with pages on same site
On 17 Apr, Chari Daignault wrote:
Greetings, all!
Greetings!
Has anyone worked on being able to serve a different layout
style (template) with pages from the same midgard site/database?
Yes. You have many options for this in Midgard.
First of all, you can create different Styles
for each section. Then just either split your
site into multiple (prefixed) hosts, or assign
the styles to pages individually.
The next option is to use Style and Page elements.
With these you can easily override some style
parts for individual pages or page trees. You
can even override the ROOT element if you want.
The third option would of course be using variables
to handle this all within a single style and element
set. This way you would:
(in a page element or page):
?php $area = 'main'; ?
(in the style):
body
?php if ($area == 'main') { ?
bgcolor="#00"
?php } else { ?
bgcolor="#FF"
?php } ?
Chari
/Bergie
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Re: Repligard (wouldn't it be nice if...) (was Re: [midgard] SiteGroups: sitegroups02.txt)
On 16 Apr, Sean D. Ackley wrote: The theory would be, Midgard would have a security web page for repligard which would say what servers (usernames/passwords maybe) would have the access to read, write, copy, write to and or replicate your Midgard site. You should also be able to say which hosts within your Midgard site could be replicated as well. This way, we could lets say all be running multiple Midgard sites, but only the "midgard" site would be replicated and not the "my private domain" site. By having an RPC or direct "server to server" communication, we wouldn't have to worry about externally spawned processes handling the replication, plus I would think it would be faster. This should be pretty much doable once we have the Repligard capabilities wrapped in PHP functions. That should happen soon anyway, as we'll probably want to have access to Repligard from the Admin site. After that, enabling replication between servers in the way you describe is just about writing some PHP code. sean. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Slashdot on multilingual Web sites
Greetings! There is an interesting thread on Slashdot.org about creating multi-lingual Web sites. We have developers from many countries and language areas, and I'm sure it is to the interests of most of us to make Midgard a good system to use in multi-lingual environments. Hopefully the discussion there raises some ideas on what parts in Midgard could be refined to reach these goals... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/04/11/1249259mode=thread BTW. As an example of a multi-lingual Web site built in Midgard, I present StoneJobs.com (http://www.stonejobs.com), which has been internationalized by Henri Hovi from Stonesoft's Web team. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard and Slashcode....
On 11 Apr, Carilda Thomas wrote: My suggestion is to either keep a separate server which does mod_perl type stuff from the php/midgard server, or to have a look at the php slash-dot-like thingy which is called phpslash and can be located from the php projects page (I think). Also, it shouldn't be too difficult to build a Slashdot-like system natively in Midgard, since we already have the concept of article replies. cat /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Re: Midgard 1.2.6beta2 trouble
On 12 Apr, Derek Beattie wrote: I have a script I use to install midgard. I can post it if anyone is interested. Sure! It might even be nice to have in the CVS. I've also been working on a generic installation system for Midgard (expect to hear more in couple of weeks), so I'd be interested in seeing the script. * Sender: Derek Beattie* /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Old new Midgard site
On 12 Apr, Philipp Rotmann wrote: Hi folks, Greetings! it's online just about four months now, but I just didn't manage to get this e-mail across to you -- our own first Midgard website :-) Have a look at http://www.spun.de (sorry, only in German). If you drop me a line or two on your site, I'll add it to the 'Midgard-powered Web sites' list on http://www.midgard-project.net/topic/281.html phr /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] SiteGroups: sitegroups02.txt
On 8 Apr, Emiliano wrote: Blobserving (Binary Large OBject) will add the capability to serve non-text objects (images, sounds, flash, etc) by Midgard itself instead of passing the buck back to Apache. The advantage will be that these BLOBS can be governed by the same administration interface/access control as the rest of the midgard resources. These objects need not be large, BTW, but who would want the term BobServing (nasty flashbacks to MS Bob here). BTW. Something that will need some thought is whether the BLOBs should be handled by Repligard or not. Cue: Jukka Alexander. I have only slightly more clue on this issue, and even that is a pretty bold assesment. At the moment Repligard is a pretty simple concept. It is just an utility that can dump (parts of) a Midgard database into a XML file, and upload it back to the same or another database. At the moment it is still dependent on the database ID numbers of the records, and so replication between two different sites would require that they use the same ID space (ie. one is the master database and the other just a copy). This doesn't differ much from doing things with normal SQL dumps, and so we should be able to handle Admin and example sites via Repligard even now. The next phase will be the addition of two-way replication, where Repligard converts all IDs and ID references into GUIDs (global unique IDs) in download phase, and then back to normal IDs on upload. What this provides us with is a generic packaging system for Midgard data. You could for example package one site, topic tree or even just a single page, and copy it over to other Midgard servers. And if some of the records were changed on that second server, those changes could also be replicated easily to all other servers where the same record resides, regardless of what local database IDs the record(s) would use there. So Repligard just handles downloading and uploading the XML file, and conversions between GUIDs and local database IDs. Transferring the data between servers can then be handled with conventional methods like rsync. The Repligard extension provides a simple command line utility for doing these things, and also some example scripts that can be useful for setting the system up. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] SGML grief
On 16 Apr, Ami Ganguli wrote: I've finally found some more time to work on my midgard-lib documentation, but I find myself struggling with the sgml tools. The formatting is not that important. If you get the material written, I can then convert it to SGML. It's a little off-topic for this list, but can somebody who's successfully compiled the midgard documentation on RedHat give a short rundown of prerequisites? I've had similar problems that you describe (on Debian), but maybe Jukka or Emile could help? Ami. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard
Greetings! On 17 Apr, schleder.de wrote: p.s.: The Apache run on an Windows 98 sr2 PC, is it a problem? Alas, yes. At the moment Midgard only runs on UNIX platforms. The Open Server Architecture project is doing a Windows port of Midgard, but we haven't received any word of their progress for quite some time now. http://www.opensa.org/midgard /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] PHP
On 6 Apr, Michael Zielinski wrote: Hi, Greetings! A couple of questions: The PHP release that comes with Midgard, does it only contain MySql functionality? I might need ODBC supporrt in the near future. You can compile the PHP module with whatever database support you want. For Midgard data, the PHP module uses the connectivity provided by midgard-lib, and so doesn't need to have the MySQL module at all. When new versions of PHP are released, how long will there go before they are incorporated into Midgard's PHP? It depends. Usually it is pretty easy to add our patches to PHP, but developers don't always have time to do it immediately. If the new PHP version is an important one (contains major security fixes, etc.), we usually try to get the patch out ASAP. PHP4 is a different case, though. It changes the architecture so much that a new port of midgard-php will be needed. We'll try to work on that soon, though. Michael /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] The Midgard Project Ry founded
Greetings! The founding meeting for our new nonprofit just ended. Laeticia will be writing down the meeting minutes soon, so you'll hear more on it then. The board is: Henri Bergius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Chairman Eero af Heurlin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Vice Chairman Laeticia Söderman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Secretary Jukka Zitting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Treasurer Also, we decided to move the copyrights of Midgard code and the Web site from Jukka Zitting and myself to the new organization. That should be changed in the sites and CVS soon. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Promotional material
On 6 Apr, Jochen Lillich wrote: Hi, Greetings! I'm missing some promotional texts and other material about Midgard on the web site. Wasn't there something not long ago? I don't recall deleting anything recently. Anyone else? What material were you looking for? If it is not on the site, I might still have it around somewhere... Jochen /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Foundation Meeting minutes
Greetings! This is the first draft of the foundation meeting minutes. Please send comments or corrections if you have any. Sorry about including only the changed parts of the regulations, I'll make a translation of the rest tomorrow. -- Foundation meeting - The Midgard Project Ry Location: Taivalmäki 9, 02200 Helsinki, Finland Time: April 6th 2000, 18:30 Participants: Henri Bergius, Eero af Heurlin, Laeticia Söderman, Jukka Zitting 1. Opening of the meeting Henri Bergius opened the meeting at 18:45. 2. Founding the organization The meeting decided to found a nonprofit organization named The Midgard Project Ry to advance progress in the Midgard development project and to offer the needed services infrastructure for project contributors. 3. Regulations of the organization The meeting chose the National Board of Patents and Registration example regulations template Sääntömalli II as the basis for the organization's regulations. The following amendments were made to the example regulations: 1. Name and home place of the organization The name of the organization is The Midgard Project Ry, and its home place is Helsinki. 2. The goals of the organization The purpose of the organization is to advance the development and usage of the Midgard Web Application environment and project, and to provide equal opportunities of making use of the system to both users and developers. To advance these goals, the organization offers the project the needed working environment and services infrastructure, and enhances the knowledgeability of Midgard by publishing announcements and other material concerning Midgard. The organization also represents Midgard by participating to IT industry events and arranging training, PR, and other events. The organization also offers all contributors of the Midgard project the needed development environment by governing the copyrights of the major components of the Midgard Application Server. To support its operations, the organization accepts donations from its supporters and collects membership fees from its members. In addition, the organization also practices publishing and sells supplemental products for the project. 6. The board The daily matters of the organization are handled by the board, to which belong the chairman nominated in the yearly meeting, and the amount of other members, at least two, chosen in the yearly meeting. ... 9. Organizational meetings The yearly meeting of the organization is held yearly at a date chosen by the board between March and July. ... 10. Calling of organizational meetings The board has to call together the organizational meetings seven days in advance by either letters sent to all members, or by an announcement on the organization's Internet services. 4. Membership fees for year 2000 The meeting decided the following fees as the membership fees for year 2000: Actual (contributing) member: 0 EUR Supporting member: 100 EUR Organizatorial supporting member: 1000 EUR 5. Election of chairman and the board Henri Bergius was chosen as the Chairman of the Board. The board is: Eero af Heurlin, Laeticia Söderman and Jukka Zitting. 6. Election of accountants NN was chosen as the accountant of the organization, and NN as the vice accountant of the organization. 7. Closing the meeting The Chairman of the Board close the meeting on 19:45 -- /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Inquiry
Greetings! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that is an Linux*Apache/PHP/my SQL combination of resources Yes. Midgard combines Apache Web serving, MySQL database backend and PHP scripting capabilities into a nice Web application development environment. As our ISP in US premises , uses LinuxApache/PHP/mySQL too, so I wonder if I can be use Windows on a developer workstation, or it only runs on Linux ? Midgard runs only on Unix systems (Linux included), but its administration interfaces are used with a browser. This means that you can use whatever platform you want for your development work. Sometimes I find very difficult the traffic from Buenos Aires (Argentina) to http://www.midgard-project.org not a common problems with websites tied to US backbones.. is that because are you in northern Europe ? Possibly. The other reason is that our current project server is severely overloaded. It servers a few dozen Web sites, and also is the primary mail server for many users. We're in the process of replacing it soon, though, so things should improve then. As I don't want to be tied to ASP pages only, I only found PHP as the only scripting language of OpenSource, really able to use for adding dynamic content. Feel free to send information how to be a volunteer for betatesting. The software is freely available. Just go to http://www.midgard-project.org/download Nes Loyola /Bergie PS. Sorry if the formatting looks strange, I'm testing the new Netscape 6 beta here. -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Lost URLs
On 3 Apr, Chari Daignault wrote: I've gotten the Midgard system up and running just fine. The only problem I'm having is when I create a new root page and new top level page and content pages, and reference the correct article and topic numbers for the url creation, the system still can't find/create the pages. The admin site and example site work fine, though. I'm referencing the topic and article numbers from the midgard database... not sure what's up. Has anyone had this problem? Can you show me the code you're using on your content pages? Chari /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit (continued)
On 30 Mar, Ron Parker wrote: The primary asset is the code, correct? If the code is GPL and OSS, then the code is forever freely available to the public whether the non-profit enterprise disbands or continues to remain an organized effort. I assume, this principle is a primary consideration upon which decisions to use or not to use Midgard are based on. You're correct. However, the point here is that the copyright holder of the software can change the licensing terms whenever he wishes to. At that point all software that has been released so far remains under the licensing it has been released under, but the new releases are done under the new licensing. Effectively, this would mean a code fork. An example of this would be if Jukka decided to sell his copyrights to a software company that would then start making proprietary version of Midgard. I'd guess that the development team here would continue working on the GPLd version, and the proprietary version would eventually start falling back feature-wise. But still, a fork would be something we'd rather avoid as it has the tendency of causing incompatibility between versions and needless work (see the Emacs/XEmacs situation, for example). Also, the GPL is currently being contested by Mattel in the cphack lawsuit. If it ends in Mattel's favor, that could be a nasty precedent against free software. (The case in nutshell is that Mattel tries to prevent distribution of old GPLd versions of a program it now owns). I trust the people on our team to make right decisions, and so problems like this are highly unlikely for us. But for companies making strategic choices, that trust might not be enough, and so it is good to clarify the situation. I'm not entirely aware of the licensing for the core libraries. I recall there was mention of this by Bergie earlier in this thread. This appears to be an appropriate time for Midgard users, such as myself, to become accutely aware of all licensing issues. There are no serious issues there, all the code is being distributed under standard free software licenses (different parts of Midgard are either under GPL, LGPL or the MIT license). The point I had there was that currently Jukka Zitting holds all copyrights of Midgard, even on the parts written by other developers. There are some approaches to solving this. One would be the way Linux kernel is copyrighted. There every contributor owns the code he has written there. The problem with this is that changing the license (if GPL begins causing some problems, for example) would require acceptance from *all* code contributors, which in case of a big software problems is quite difficult. The other approach, which is the one we'll be taking is to form a nonprofit where all contributors can gain membership in, and then turn the copyrights to that organization. This way everybody gets a vote on what is done, but single developer can't make it impossible for the whole project to make advancements. I think this is the core of it. If you (or anyone else) have questions on the licensing, I'll be glad to try answering them. I think it's a fine strategy to assume nonprofit status in order to enable monetary and property contributions. The continued growth in Midgard as a freely available product is in my interest. That is the point. It is very important to provide the needed development infrastructure (Web sites, version controlling, mailing lists, ...), and that is where we need a supporting organization. That organization could be a company, but I feel that a nonprofit would do better with creating a level playing field for all parties willing to participate in the project. Ron /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Midgard hosting in General
On 31 Mar, David Guerizec wrote: Hi, Greetings! I'm gonna buy a server and install Midgard on it to host sites and services for the clients of my enterprise. If someone is interested in participating to the project as a partner or a client, please let me know. It is good to know that there are hosting opportunities for Midgard appearing. This is very important for smaller companies who can't afford servers of their own. I would be interested in hearing about all companies offering Midgard hosting, and possibly listing them on the Midgard project Web site. David /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit (continued)
On 30 Mar, Emiliano Heyns wrote: If under "The Midgard Project, Ry", probably. But nothing's keeping any person or firm from offering Midgard consulting, so even if "we" want to go commercial, we can do so. Yes. The idea of the nonprofit is just to provide the infrastructure (servers, mailing lists, etc) for the project and ensure that all parties involved have equal opportunities in using Midgard and doing business with it. I feel that doing things like consulting work under the nonprofit would erode this idea badly. Rather, if some people from the developer team want to start doing business with Midgard, they can do so as a separate entity, so that the nonprofit can be kept neutral business-wise. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit (continued)
On 30 Mar, Emiliano Heyns wrote: On the topic of assets: I propose we have a clause in our regulations stating that if we are ever to disband "The Midgard Project, Ry", any assets remaining are donated to charity. Under the Finnish law, the possible disbanding is decided by a general meeting of the organization. Usually the regulations state that the assets of the organization are at that point donated onwards to advancement of the organization's goals. For us, that could mean that if the organization were disbanded, the copyrights could be donated to for example FSF. However, I think it is better to have nothing of where the donations should go at that event written down to the regulations, but rather let the general meeting decide that following some guidelines set by the rules. Reading from example regulations provided by the bureau (Sääntömalli I - quick translation): 12. Modifications to regulations and disbanding of the organization The decision on modifying the regulations or disbanding the organization has to be made by a general meeting with at least three quarters (3/4) majority vote. The meeting invitation has to include a mention on modifying rules or disbanding the organization. In the event of disbanding the organization its assets are used to advance the organization's purposes in a way decided by the disbanding meeting. When the organization is disbanded its financial assets are also used on that same purpose. Of course, I'm operating here on the notion that we shouldn't be wanting to disband the organization anytime soon. :-) Emile. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit (continued)
On 30 Mar, Emiliano Heyns wrote: How many of us do live in Finland? I guess that enough, the board should be too big for practical reasons anyway. Also, if we want to have more foreign board members, we can ask for the permission, and if I understood correctly that is just a formality, and so shouldn't be denied normally. In .nl there are provisions (as I rememebr them, IANAL) for voting-by-proxy, where a local resident can be authorized to vote on your behalf. Maybe similar provisions exist in Finland? Yes, but it needs to be a signed permission. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Re: Access control
On 29 Mar, Jochen Lillich wrote: Midgard 2? Where can I get information about the different versions that you people are working on? Midgard 2 is a complete rewrite of Midgard that we eventually hope to release. At the moment the development work on it has been halted, and will probably resume only sometime in late Q2. The Midgard 1.x branch is the one currently in development, with the latest test version being 1.4-beta3 (to be released later this week). The stable release for that branch is version 1.2.5. Okay, done. I'm also already both on midgard and on midgard-dev. If I want to help development, should I get the current CVS of Midgard 1 or that of Midgard 2? Get Midgard 1, as that is where we're working now. You can also look at the Midgard 2 sources, but it won't make much sense to write code there as it isn't anywhere near stable yet. You can also find the CVS material from http://www.midgard-project.org/cvsweb.pl Jochen /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit
On 29 Mar, Maarten Stolte wrote: Hi, Greetings! Need ftp resources too? I have a ftp site which i'm not using, has 25megs of space,and is on a fast line.. Sure! It would be nice to have some mirror sites serving the release versions. At first, if you can manually mirror the 1.2.5 sources and binaries there, and possibly the upcoming 1.4-beta3 as well. Later on we can then setup a more automatic mirroring solution. Maarten Stolte /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit
On 29 Mar, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: Hello Henri, Greetings! OK for me (I'm too busy with my work on Ph.D. thesis and work in University to be daily involved with administration duties) Good. Now, the first board could be the following: Eero af Heurlin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Henri Bergius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jukka Zitting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) If you want to see other names in it as well, please let me know. Are we have to use this suffix or it could be omitted? Personally, I would like to see "The Midgard Project" as a name because "mysterious" Ry will be a problem for the newcomers not familiar with Finnish laws. I even expect that question about "Ry" will be included into FAQ :-) We have to use the 'Ry' extension in official records, but can omit it elsewhere. And hey, it's better than 'Rekisteröity Yhdistys', isn't it? ;-) Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit
Greetings! The project has been growing steadily for the last year, and now it could be a good point to organize a bit. We could found a nonprofit organization to handle some aspects of this project. The benefits here would be the ability to own property and handle donations without having to channel those through private contributors. The money would at first be going for things like domains, but at a later point also arranging training events and workshops would be possible with this. It could also clarify the copyright situation with the core Midgard libraries, as their ownership could be transferred to the organization. This would make the software much safer to develop with. If we want to found this organization, a good place for it could be Finland, as we have quite many project participants here, and most of us also already have experience in running nonprofits. The membership for the organization should be open to all project contributors for free, and possibly also to others for a nominal fee. For the first year, I'd like to have a majority (or all) board members to be living in Finland, because there are often situations demanding a sudden meeting before the procedures settle down, and having all board members available on a short notice would be a good thing. What do you think? I'd like to see some discussion on this, and if we decide to continue with the plan already hold the founding meeting within a month. Oh, and as the name, how would The Midgard Project Ry sound? (Ry being short for registrated nonprofit in Finnish) /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Founding a Midgard nonprofit
Greetings! The project has been growing steadily for the last year, and now it could be a good point to organize a bit. We could found a nonprofit organization to handle some aspects of this project. The benefits here would be the ability to own property and handle donations without having to channel those through private contributors. The money would at first be going for things like domains, but at a later point also arranging training events and workshops would be possible with this. It could also clarify the copyright situation with the core Midgard libraries, as their ownership could be transferred to the organization. This would make the software much safer to develop with. If we want to found this organization, a good place for it could be Finland, as we have quite many project participants here, and most of us also already have experience in running nonprofits. The membership for the organization should be open to all project contributors for free, and possibly also to others for a nominal fee. For the first year, I'd like to have a majority (or all) board members to be living in Finland, because there are often situations demanding a sudden meeting before the procedures settle down, and having all board members available on a short notice would be a good thing. What do you think? I'd like to see some discussion on this, and if we decide to continue with the plan already hold the founding meeting within a month. Oh, and as the name, how would The Midgard Project Ry sound? (Ry being short for registrated nonprofit in Finnish) /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Portable Site Information project
Greetings! XML.com is running a story on the Portable Site Information project, which concentrates on defining a XML format for moving Web sites and applications between different frameworks like NetObjects and Midgard. This idea might sound familiar to those of you who have been reading the list for a longer time, and indeed, it is the same project that has been discussed here with Patrick Hayes every now and then. I think the idea is good, and while the work won't be easy, it will be an important step in improving the interoperability between different Web application frameworks. Check out the article at: http://www.xml.com/pub/2000/03/22/psi/index.html /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Admin interface disappeared!
On 27 Mar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the weekend, I ran Adobe Acrobat, which has an option to archive a Web site as a PDF. I ran this on the old site (which I later discovered has a link to the Admin site), and it churned away for a few hours, fetching all the links on each page. My concern is that one of the links it fetched was a "delete" link on the Admin pages. I've seen this happen a couple of times. It is a good idea to be careful with all kinds of site spiders and not give them big enough permissions to actually destroy anything (if possible, run them so that they won't even authenticate). Curiously, the site itself (see link above) is still fine -- but when I click on the Admin page, I get the prompt for password, and I get the HTMLHEAD.../HEAD but no BODY tags and no content. Strange. Have you looked at the database? Any ideas? Can I safely reload the Midgard admin pages without affecting the work we've done? That should be safe, as the Admin site in the packages only uses the same database record IDs every time. However, it would be a good idea to backup your Midgard database beforehand, as with all upgrades. Paul Gillingwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Support for Oracle
On 27 Mar, Dave Viner wrote: Hello all, Greetings! I am currently reviewing various content management/content rendering solutions. I am very interested in Midgard as it uses Apache, our current webserver, and PHP, a well-known and tested scripting language. However, a requirement for our environment is integration with Oracle. What is the status of the Oracle integration effort? I think I remember Jean-Pierre Arneodo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mentioning that they expect the midgard-lib part of Midgard 1.2.5-oracle to be stable sometime this week. However, while the Oracle port isn't available yet, the other option is to use PHP's own Oracle connectivity. This way you can have the normal Midgard data in a MySQL database and then connect to an Oracle database for other applications. From reading the various messages, documentation, and the midgard site, it appears that ODBC support will be integrated in Midgard 2.0. According to the web site, this release is scheduled for the 1st quarter of 2000. Is this still on track? Is there a revised estimate? Midgard 2 has been delayed severely, but we look forward to working on it again sometime later this year (late Q2?) Midgard 1.4 (which is the current version being actively developed) will contain many of the features originally intended for Midgard 2 - such as replication and extensible records. There has also been some interest in porting Midgard 1.4 to other databases. Dave Viner /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Access control
On 25 Mar, Jochen Lillich wrote: Hi, Greetings! taking the first steps with Midgard I've soon been missing detailed access control features. The "Possible changes" stated on http://www.midgard-project.org/article/1110.html sound very reasonable to me. Is there anything of these changes already on the way? Emile has been working on access control lists for Midgard. The work has so far been mostly for Midgard 2, but it might be portable back to Midgard 1.x You can find information about the implementation plans by searching for 'access control' or 'acl' on the mailing list archives. If I can be of any help, let me know. Our company probably will be choosing Midgard as standard application server, so we're quite motivated in bringing Midgard development forward. It might be a good idea to get started by reading the 'How to contribute' document on our site: http://www.midgard-project.org/article/999.html Welcome to the project! Jochen /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] code-init
On 27 Mar, Torben Nehmer wrote: Hi. Greetings! Can I do something like this: In the Layout I define code-init. In a subpage I want do redefine code-init so that it first calls the orignial and then add's some improvement like: code-init of subpage: ...some code (code-init) ...more code Nope, this would just include the element back to itself. What you can do instead is to define another element with your code, say my-code, and call that from both the style's and the page's code-init elements: global code-init: (my-code) code-init of a subpage: ...some code (my-code) ...more code Torben Nehmer /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Using Midgard on Windows platform
On 22 Mar, Stéphane Baudet wrote: Did anybody have success in using Midgard on an NT platform using apache and mysql ? At the moment Midgard works only on Unix platforms. The folks at OpenSA project are making a NT port, you can find out more at: http://www.opensa.org/midgard/ stephane Baudet. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Integration alternative administration interfaces
Greetings! There has been some discussion on developing alternative administration interfaces for Midgard before. So far the discussion has stopped into the point that Midgard would need bindings to other languages before they could be used to develop a new Admin system. However, since this topic touches integration quite much, and that is a topic I need to think about a lot at work, I've been seeking for other ways of solving this problem. Now, once we think about it, if there were language bindings to another language, say, Python or Java, in midgard-lib, and we were to use that for the interface, then practically every user running this interface would be using direct database connections - something that can be troublesome. The other solution would be to use some kind of RPC system with which would enable the normal Midgard application server to serve these desktop clients just as it does Web-based ones, reducing the number of needed database connections (or the need of even enabling those connections from outside the Web server). Good options for this exist. For example, XML-RPC is a relatively simple HTTP-based protocol for which you can find support libraries to many different languages, including Python, Java, PHP and Perl. Yes, PHP is one of those, meaning that you can use a Midgard server as a XML-RPC client or server even now. We're using this for a couple of applications at Stonesoft, and will surely be using it for many more in near future. These applications range from a GNOME panel applet written in Python fetching the corporation's realtime stock quote from our Midgard server to backend Perl scripts creating articles into the database from incoming email. With this, we could write the administrative programs quite easily, and possibly extend existing ones as well. Think about an Open Source PHP code editor that could also edit Midgard styles and pages. All this needs is a couple of programmers getting familiar with the spec, and a XML-RPC server that would provide the needed Midgard functions as methods (which is really quick to write). If this would become a popular method of administrating the Midgard database, we could then rewrite the XML-RPC support libraries in C and place them into the actual Midgard packages as an extension - just like Repligard will be. XML-RPC spec: http://www.xmlrpc.com XML-RPC support for PHP: http://www.usefulinc.com/xmlrpc/php.html There is also another potentially useful standard out there - SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol), an extension of XML-RPC developed by Microsoft. However, this is slightly more complex, and also lacks the level of language support XML-RPC has. SOAP spec: http://develop.com/soap/ There are also some other XML-over-HTTP -based RPC systems available. While these wouldn't replace the need for native bindings, they will surely be a nice addition, and provide interesting integration opportunities as well. Another slightly different approach would be to use Mozilla for the interface. Mozilla is a multiplatform application environment that comes with its own system for defining GUI programs and the data they use. What is interesting in the XUL standard, is that at least most of the UI and data used in it can be loaded from a remote server just as easily as a local one. This could enable us to create a XUL-based admin site, maybe as a superset of the HTML-based one, and the users could use that just as they do a normal desktop application. Mozilla XPToolkit: http://mozilla.org/xpfe/ XUL tutorial: http://www3.sympatico.ca/ndeakin/mozilla/xultu/ And then there is also CORBA, which Emile has been looking at lately. While I wouldn't rule any of these opportunities out entirely, it is clear that we don't currently have the developer resources to pursue all of them, but will rather have to select one or two options to concentrate on. But even if we won't end up with complete bindings to all of these options at once, they provide good opportunities that probably are of interest to all of you who seek to integrate other information systems with Midgard. Which I'm sure that many of you do. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Re: Export Midgard site
On 22 Mar, Emiliano Heyns wrote: Correct. Henri mentioned some scripts a long while ago used for copying only specific sites. These could be useful to put up on the Midgard site but I don't know how specific to his situation they are. Yes, we've been running partial replication from our internal Web server to an external one regularly (every five minutes if the database has been modified) since late October. The system works ok, but has some setbacks that have made developing Repligard into usable state a quite high priority for us. The current system works so that we have a Perl script on the internal server that runs mysqldump, and then removes all internal content (based by location of the DB entries in Midgard's tree structures) from the dump, then checks whether it has changed from last replication. If it has, it is then transferred to our external server, where we have another script which monitors the arrivals of new database dumps. We also have two different Midgard databases running there, of which one is being used by Apache at a time. When a dump arrives, the script copies it over the Midgard database which isn't being used, and restarts Apache with Midgard using that database instead. This is messy, but it works. The main problem is that every once in the while, the Apache fails to get the MySQL interface opened, and then our site is down. Of course, this all goes into the "don't try this at home" department. About when will these tools be available? The plans for this utility (repligard) were discussed briefly on midgard-dev: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=9526180571w=2r=1 At the moment, most of one-way Repligard works and is available from the CVS. However, I'm quite sure that the CVS version isn't now in a compilable shape, and so getting Repligard to work right now will require some C programming experience. By what we've been discussing on midgard-dev, we hope to have the third beta available sometime within a month, and that should contain Repligard (as well as some other nice additions, like the SiteGroups). We have two servers at Stonesoft doing test Replication with a 25MB Midgard database and some Apache load, and we'll be looking at the results with Jukka tomorrow. If things have worked nicely, we'll move the system into production soon. I'll let you know about our experiences. Emile /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] favicon.ico
On 22 Mar, Carilda Thomas wrote:
There is no document root unless I put it there and I don't.
You can also store the favicon.ico file as an
attachment into the Midgard database, create a
favicon.ico page under your root page and serve
the file from there.
?php
$article = 123;
$filename = 'favicon.ico';
if ($article = mgd_get_article($article))
($files = mgd_list_files($article-id))) {
while ($files-fetch()) {
if ($files-name == $filename
($file = mgd_get_file($files-id))) {
header('Content-type: ' . $file-type);
header('Content-length: ' . $file-size);
readfile($file-content);
exit();
}
}
}
?
Do this either in the code-init, or just override
the ROOT element to point to (content), and the
normal Midgard style shouldn't get into way.
^..^
mrow
/Bergie
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Re: [midgard] [Q] host not found error.
On 21 Mar, Sean D. Ackley wrote: [Tue Mar 21 13:48:59 2000] [notice] [client 206.170.157.66] Midgard: host record for midgard.ackind.net:80 not found [Tue Mar 21 13:49:00 2000] [notice] [client 206.170.157.66] Midgard: host record for midgard.ackind.net:80 not found Then, I can't access the midgard system. Either via the admin.* or the real website. It just error with this message. On my other system, I have the admin.* and the real website working properly, but I get this error message, if I go to another website on that machine. I can understand that. So I guess, 2 question, how to get rid of that message and just display midgard? On the second machine, how to NOT display that error message when I am using a website on the webserver, but a non-midgard site. It would seem that your Midgard is otherwise set up properly, but there is something wrong with the Host records in Midgard's database. To fix this, make a MySQL connection: $ mysql -umidgard -pmidgard midgard (assuming that those are the username and password for you Midgard database) When you get to the MySQL prompt, run: SELECT * FROM host; This should return you the host records stored in the database. Something like: ++-+--+---+--+---+--+++ | id | name| root | style | info | owner | port | online | prefix | ++-+--+---+--+---+--+++ | 1 | admin.greywolves.org| 233 |22 | auth | 0 |0 | 1 || | 2 | wolfpack.greywolves.org | 33 | 2 | | 2 |0 | 1 || ++-+--+---+--+---+--+++ 2 rows in set (0.00 sec) It is very probable that the 'name' fields of the hosts are pointing somewhere else than the hostnames you configured in your httpd.conf. Fix this by running: UPDATE host SET NAME='admin.midgard.ackind.net',port=0 WHERE id=1; UPDATE host SET NAME='midgard.ackind.net',port=0 WHERE id=2; Now, try accessing the Midgard sites again with your browser. The idea here is that the 'name' and 'port' fields of the host records must match with the ones defined in Apache's config for Midgard to find them. If you configure a host to have port 0, then it will answer in all ports Apache listens to for that host name. sean. /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New midgard powered site
On 18 Mar, Ronan-Yann Lorin wrote: Hi all, Greetings! Just if you plan to have a list of midgard powered sites as examples of what can be done with midgard, I just released a french web site a few days ago that is fully build using midgard at the following url: http://www.ism.asso.fr Thanks! It is now listed at http://www.midgard-project.org/topic/281.html If you want to have a more accurate description of the site there, just let me know. Ronan-Yann Lorin tél: +33 617 960 627 /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New midgard powered site
On 18 Mar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note, I noticed that my site, the Lincoln High School web site, which uses midgard + PHP almost exclusively, isn't up on the list, either. http://www.lincolnhs.pps.k12.or.us/ Ok, it is now listed. As a policy here, I will add sites there only by request of their maintainers. So if you have a site that could be listed there, just let me know! Once we have this list in a bit better shape, the next step then is to start gathering actual case studies. I'll start writing one about Stonesoft's new recruitment system (which is going live sometime next week) quite soon. Ben Garney /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] MWS for 15th of March, 2000 (#33)
. This is not to add needless bureaucracy to Midgard development work, but rather to ensure that everybody working on the code knows what is going on and to keep the tree in a shape where it can be stabilized when making a release. The thread about this new policy also includes some discussion about Midgard release practices and a listing by Alexander about what additions have so far been discussed for inclusion into Midgard 1.4. - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=9527913801w=2r=1 About Midgard Midgard is a freely-available Web application development and publishing platform based on the popular PHP scripting language. It is an Open Source development project, giving you the freedom to create your solutions in an open environment. Midgard is the tool for creating, modifying and maintaining dynamic database-enabled web services. - http://www.midgard-project.org About MWS The Midgard Weekly Summary is a newsletter for the Midgard user and developer community. The MWS is currently being distributed in following mediums: -The Midgard Project's Web site - http://www.midgard-project.org -Linux Weekly News - http://www.lwn.net -Linux Today - http://www.linuxtoday.com -Linux Developer's Network - http://linuxdev.net -Midgard mailing list If you would like to release it elsewhere, please contact Henri Bergius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Previous issues of Midgard Weekly Summary can be found archived at the Midgard web site. - http://www.midgard-project.org/topic/169.html /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Repligard...?
On 15 Mar, Ken Pooley wrote: I thought I understood the Repligard dingus to be something to migrate 1.2.5 and earlier midgard DBs to a new format for 1.4..having read the latest MWS I am not so sure, can somebody summarize it real quick? Repligard should make migration between Midgard releases a lot easier than it is now. But it is also does more, offering capabilities like replication of sites between hosts and packaging of Midgard applications. The format Repligard deals with is a simple XML format that is used to describe contents of part of the Midgard database (for example, a host or a topic tree). These XML files can then be transferred between different Midgard sites (for example, if you have a mirror site or want to move data easily between a development server and a production server), and also version controlled using standard tools like CVS. I'd imagine that once the two-way replication is in place you'll start seeing a lot of ready-made Midgard applications become available. Of course, we're still some way from that point. kp /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] proposal of cooperation
Greetings! On 13 Mar, Niels Vejrup Carlsen wrote: I am in the process of selecting af content management system / publishing system for a large multilanguage set of information portal sites. The system must be able to handle all the traditional publishing features incl. workflow (editorial approval, ...), archiving, multiple placement of articles, delayed publishing, timed removal, On top of this we would like the system to allow for CRM (data mining etc.) and for the establishment of communities (chats, newsgroups, ...) - either through its own modules or by allowing 3rd party modules to be added. Most of this is possible by adding logic on the PHP level, but certainly would be easier is Midgard had support for the major features builtin. For example, our Midgard sites at Stonesoft include features like chat and even workflow applications like the company's recruitment system. They work, but creating them has at times required creative usage of the database fields provided in Midgard's article system. I have looked a bit at your project - and would like to know whether you would be open for a collaboration along the lines: - you guarantee that ressources will be devoted to making the system fit our purposes (the extent of this we of course need to agree on from the beginning) - on the other hand we guarantee a certain amount of ressources being spent on improving your project (within the open source license) - for a certain period of time. Your proposal is very interesting, and I'm sure some Midgard developers would be eager to help you out. However, our project works on volunteer basis and so we as a project can't make any commitments on our developers' behalf. It is all up to individual developers here. I hope to see something come out of this. Midgard has been a very nice low-end content management system, but I'm sure it is to the interests of many people working with it to see it improve in the field. Please keep us posted on how things turn out. /Niels Vejrup Carlsen /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] PHP Version 3.0.15
On 13 Mar, Thomas James Mackie III wrote: Is there a new patches available for PHP 3.0.15 for Midgard 1.2.5 since there are some major known security holes in PHP 3.0.12 and performance issue's? I have looked through the site and it's seems that there might be, but I was unable to find a download location for them. Please let me know one way or another. Alexander has a patch for this. It isn't in CVS yet, but you can find it from: http://www.midgard.f2s.com/midgard-php_3.0.15.batch.bz2 Alexander's note is at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=midgard-devm=95281835104827w=2 Thomas James Mackie III /Bergie -- -- Henri Bergius -- +358 40 525 1334 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.iki.fi/Henri.Bergius -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
