Re: [newbie] LM9.0 & CDROM Problems

2002-12-25 Thread Sevatio
Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 06:43, Sevatio wrote:


Are there problems with the automount on LM9.0?  It's been very 
inconsistent when I'm trying to transfer data from CDs onto my HD.  As a 
result, I've had to do it on a different PC runnint LM8.2 and then ftp 
the files into my LM9.0 box.

Thanks,
Sevatio


If you're having problems with the automount, why not just manually
mount the CD's and try it that way - seems a bit of a tough go to jump
through all those hoops to get files onto yer drive...





I know of the manual way of doing it in a text environment via superuser 
login.  Is there another more friendly and short way of manually 
mounting this?  I'm thinking in terms of ease of use for the average 
windows user that I setup linux boxes for.

I'm really surprised that after all these versions, Mandrake still 
hasn't quite figured this out.


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[newbie] RE: The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2 (a little OT)

2002-12-25 Thread Richard Babcock
Check out Creator (http://www.creatorsoftware.com/). When I worked for them
they were exclusively Macintosh and were working on Windows and Unix
versions. I know the Windows version is shipping and I know the Unix version
is client/server, not standalone workstation like the Mac and Win stuff is.
It's a solid product which, to it's loyal user base, beats Quark and
Indesign hands down.
There is also a user group at http://www.wacondatrader.com/creator/ which is
not affiliated with the company but will give you an idea of the problems
the production people face. Be aware that the majority of the long term
users are Mac people and will have little experience with the Unix product.
I know several of the programmers monitor the list though.
Rich

> and if there is a linux equivalent to freehand or
> illustrator, or to page layout software such as
> indesign and quarkxpress, i haven't been able to find
> it 
>
> so as much as i'd like to use linux for a professional
> color design workstation, the software just isn't
> there ...
>
> yet.
>
> MYO,
>
> kenn
>
>
> --- Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:35 am, Aurélio Diniz
> > wrote:
> > > I want the same has you! To work with inDesign,
> > Freehand and Photoshop in
> > > Linux.
> >
> > Download the Gimp .pdf and browse it.  Gimp is a lot
> > more powerful than you
> > first think.
> >
> > Anne
> >
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Re: [newbie] DVD region killer

2002-12-25 Thread John McQuillen
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 15:34, Sasongko Pribadi Djoko wrote:
> Dear Stephen, Friends,
> 
> I did delete all file in dvd_disc_2215_css and re-extract the tar file.
> And then I did below instruction:
> -
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# l
> COPYING  dvd_disc.c  dvd_disc_.o  dvd_file.h  dvd_udf.h  README.dvd_disc 
>   RE
> dvdbackup.c  dvd_disc.h  dvd_file.c   dvd_udf.c   Makefile   README.dvd_file 
>   re
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# ./configure
> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make
> make: *** No rule to make target `../dvd_css', needed by `dvd_udf.o'.  Stop.
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make install
> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]#
> --
> 
> Did I do something wrong?
> 
Hi,

You have the same archive as I do, yet mine works... Hm.

Check your Makefile...

is the second line as quoted below uncommented in your makefile?

# include this only, if dvd_css modules is available
#UDF_SOFT_CSS=1

It should be as above (commented with a #) if you don't have the dvd_css
sources (which you don't). 

Make sure the above line is commented as shown and do:

make clean && make

That should be all you need to do.

Regards,

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Re: [newbie] Internet Routing has Died

2002-12-25 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 20:35, Barry Premeaux wrote:

> I gave that a shot, but it didn't make a difference.  
> 
> Although, it seems to be a mute point for now.  In tinkering with LILO (I 
> also boot RH8.0 and SuSE8.0 from this machine), I hosed the boot loader.  Had 
> difficulty getting CD1's rescue mode to see the reiserfs of my 9.0 load, so I 
> simply went back to a fresh install.  (No, I didn't make a boot floppy the 
> first time, but I did this time.  Lesson learned.)
> 
> Everything is back up and running again for now.  I'll have to watch it as I 
> begin retracing my steps with the firewall and updates again.
> 
> Thanks for responding.
> 
> Barry

Sometimes Kppp will not route like it is supposed to.  I had this
problem some ages ago when I was on a dialup, but it's been quite a
while.

Try the following.  When kppp connects, note the ip address.  Then from
a root command prompt do

route add default gw your.isp.dynamic.ip ppp0
 

In my case (in case you're interested) the final qualifier on my
workstation here is eth0 instead of ppp0.  If you were on a local lan
attempting to connect to a gateway, you'd use the same route command
line as above but just changing the device.

This is a manual fix, a way to test.  You should be able to ping out
after you do this.

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Re: [newbie] gnome menu fonts.

2002-12-25 Thread Noah A Hicks

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, L.V.Gandhi wrote:

> On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 5:34 pm, Pilagá wrote:
> > El Mar 24 Dic 2002 01:15, Noah A Hicks escribió:
> > > I don't know if anyone is still intrested in this topic but I have the
> > > same question as Gandhi.  But my problem is slightly different.  I change
> > > the fonts in GNOME with no trouble.  But Galeon and some (most) other
> > > GNOME programs don't respond to the change.  ie, they stay large and
> > > cumbersome.  I find this to be a major functionality problem.  Could
> > > anyone tell me a way to fix it?  Thanks a lot.
> > > -Noah
> >
> > Open a console a try this: gtkhtml-properties-capplet
>
> Luckily now i have desired small font. I don't know how it came. Hence I tried
> the gtkhtml-properties-capplet for another user. I used the same fonts
> reported for me to the other user. I logged out and relogged so that conf
> can take effect. Still no change in font sizes for the other user.
> I tried to change font generally as suggested by Mr.Kuhn using
> gnome-font-properties similar to one i have to the other user. Still font
> size is large for the other user in mozilla.
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>
>
>

Is it just mozzila your trying to change? I beleive mozzila operates on
it's own settings, separate from GNOME (or KDE).  However, I'm not totally
sure.




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Re: [newbie] DVD region killer

2002-12-25 Thread Sasongko Pribadi Djoko
Dear Stephen, Friends,

I did delete all file in dvd_disc_2215_css and re-extract the tar file.
And then I did below instruction:
-
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# l
COPYING  dvd_disc.c  dvd_disc_.o  dvd_file.h  dvd_udf.h  README.dvd_disc 
 RE
dvdbackup.c  dvd_disc.h  dvd_file.c   dvd_udf.c   Makefile   README.dvd_file 
 re
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# ./configure
bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make
make: *** No rule to make target `../dvd_css', needed by `dvd_udf.o'.  Stop.
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make install
make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]#
--

Did I do something wrong?

Thank you in advance,
PDS

From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] DVD region killer
Date: 26 Dec 2002 06:28:13 +1100

On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 02:18, Sasongko Pribadi Djoko wrote:
> Dear H.J. Bathoorn, Friends,
>
> Thank you for your mail below and I did the "urpmi gcc".
> When I try again to do "make -f Makefile" below listing occure:

When you're in a source directory, the steps to compile a program are
basically this:
./configure
make
make install

...there should be no reason to do a make -f Makefile - unless it has
been modified. You need to have the configure script take care of
running aclocal, autoheader, automake autoconf and the likes. So, unpack
your source code again (delete what you've mucked with already so it's
fresh) and when you're in that source dir, type:

1.) ./configure
2.) make
3.) make install

...now if you've got problems after that, then we'll start digging
deeper.

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Re: [newbie] Installation Help for v7.1

2002-12-25 Thread Michael Adams
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 07:05, Spencer wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:47:07 -0800 (PST)
>
> Andre Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Gang:
> > I'm trying to install Linux 7.1 on an old PC in my
> > office, (128 M of RAM; don't remember how much hard
> > drive space I have butI think it's at least 4G), but
> > it keeps hanging at the point where it's supposed to
> > be configuring the IDE. Any idea why this is
> > happening? Is there a fix?
> >
> > HLP!!!
> >
> > Andre---
>
> Is that a Pentium or a 486?
>
> Spence

I installed and currently have running 7.1 on a P100S with 4G HD.
I had to do a text install and try a few times before i got it right. Don't 
mess with the partition table too much or you may fsck it. At one stage i had 
to remove all partitions then DOS FDISK a FAT32 partitions covering the whole 
disk to reset the partition table to something acceptable. A well thought out 
install then worked fine.

Only other major i had with 7.1 is fixing up the logrotate script 
file:/etc/logrotate.d/syslog. If you don't know about this, e-mail the list 
when you are ready.

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Re: [newbie] Scanjet 3200c almost working...

2002-12-25 Thread Smiley
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:41:40 +0530
"L.V.Gandhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have seen your post with regard to compilation. I hope you meant that. But I 
> can't remove rpms sane-backends and libsane1 because of dependency problems. 
> Further it didn't say, anything about modprobing parallel port automatically. 
> Can you reply on what distro you installed src files. Whether you have 
> removed old sane-backends and libsane1. If so how?

Uhm... on my box (with Mandrake 9.0) only xsane and the gimp plug-in need sane... 
anyway; I had to compile
from source even them to make my scanner works...
I still have kooka installed from rpm, and not working;
xscanimage, compiled from tar.gz,  does.

Elsewere I saw reccomendation to uninstall rpms; I must say I didn't! :-)
I realized just later I previously reinstalled rpms, but I didn't remember!
So, I still have sane-backends from rpm...
Sane and xsane are located in my home directory and working very well :)

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Re: [newbie] Sound gone again

2002-12-25 Thread David Williams
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 05:14 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 6:07 pm, David Williams wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 December 2002 11:36 am, David Williams wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 25 December 2002 07:01 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 11:22 pm, David Williams wrote:
> > > > > I spoke to soon. I have most of my sound back.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have my CDs playing and game sounds in the front speakers. I have
> > > > > all of the system noises working correctly. The problem is that the
> > > > > back speakers and the Sub-woofer doesn't work again. I have tried
> > > > > the AUMIX and SOUND CONTROL settings (which is what I thought fixed
> > > > > it the first time). Any ideas that I can follow after
> > > > > David
> > > >
> > > > Don't know whether it will help, but I needed the fix described on
> > > > Derek's page
> > > >
> > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/djennings/
> > > >
> > > > It says it is to fix problems if you don't have an audio cable from
> > > > your soundcard, but I had such a cable, and the fix was still needed.
> > > > You can't lose, I think, so it's worth a try.
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > As you said it was worth a shot, however it didn't help.
> > > I can play CDs through the front speakers. I just don't have the back
> > > channels or subwoofer working. I did load the EMUL10K1 which is what I
> > > use and it isn't what was loaded. However, that didn't seem to help.
> > > Thanks for the idea. If nothing else, I learn something new everyday.
> > > David
> >
> > Anne --
> > Spoke to soon, once again. I reloaded rather than logout and log back in
> > and I once again have all of my sound.
> > Thanks for the tip.
>
> Glad it helped.
>
> > Its been a good weekend. I have SAMBA running (this took me three weeks),
> > VNC working, my sound is back. I have all of the stuff loaded that I
> > wanted loaded (with the exception of Bannerblind in Mozilla). Life and
> > Linux MDK9.0 is good.
> > Merry Christmas
> > David
>
> Just as a matter of interest - do you have a cable from your audio card, or
> is it an oddity, like mine was?
>
> Anne

That was the first thing that I checked an d I have a cable between the drive 
and the card.  
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Re: [newbie] Internet Routing has Died

2002-12-25 Thread Barry Premeaux
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote:
> set up dns1 and dns2 servers maybe even try a dns3 put in the gateway
> information for experiment purposes order a static ip from the isp.
> Mandrake is funny when it comes to the internet.
>
> Give it a try
>
>
I gave that a shot, but it didn't make a difference.  

Although, it seems to be a mute point for now.  In tinkering with LILO (I 
also boot RH8.0 and SuSE8.0 from this machine), I hosed the boot loader.  Had 
difficulty getting CD1's rescue mode to see the reiserfs of my 9.0 load, so I 
simply went back to a fresh install.  (No, I didn't make a boot floppy the 
first time, but I did this time.  Lesson learned.)

Everything is back up and running again for now.  I'll have to watch it as I 
begin retracing my steps with the firewall and updates again.

Thanks for responding.

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[newbie] test

2002-12-25 Thread Abraham Mandac
Please ignore.


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Re: [newbie] gnome menu fonts.

2002-12-25 Thread L.V.Gandhi
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 5:34 pm, Pilagá wrote:
> El Mar 24 Dic 2002 01:15, Noah A Hicks escribió:
> > I don't know if anyone is still intrested in this topic but I have the
> > same question as Gandhi.  But my problem is slightly different.  I change
> > the fonts in GNOME with no trouble.  But Galeon and some (most) other
> > GNOME programs don't respond to the change.  ie, they stay large and
> > cumbersome.  I find this to be a major functionality problem.  Could
> > anyone tell me a way to fix it?  Thanks a lot.
> > -Noah
>
>   Open a console a try this: gtkhtml-properties-capplet

Luckily now i have desired small font. I don't know how it came. Hence I tried 
the gtkhtml-properties-capplet for another user. I used the same fonts 
reported for me to the other user. I logged out and relogged so that conf 
can take effect. Still no change in font sizes for the other user.
I tried to change font generally as suggested by Mr.Kuhn using 
gnome-font-properties similar to one i have to the other user. Still font 
size is large for the other user in mozilla.
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Re: [newbie] Scanjet 3200c almost working...

2002-12-25 Thread L.V.Gandhi
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 7:09 am, Smiley wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:40:52 +0530
>
> "L.V.Gandhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have the following line in /etc/modules.conf
> > alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
> > Still I don't find parport module in lsmod.
> > When I do modprobe parport_pc, I get
> > parport_pc 21672   0
> > parport23936   0  [parport_pc]
> > then
> > [root@lvghomepc lvgandhi]# xsane umax_pp:0x378
> > [umax_pp_low] TestVersion(0) (umax_pp_low.c:4412) failed ...
> > Also I get msg box Failed to open device umax_pp:0x378
> > Invalid Argument.
> > What to do?
>
> Yhat's the outpu I myself received from sane till last week...
> Have you tried the same procedure I reported in another
> post in this thread...?
I have seen your post with regard to compilation. I hope you meant that. But I 
can't remove rpms sane-backends and libsane1 because of dependency problems. 
Further it didn't say, anything about modprobing parallel port automatically. 
Can you reply on what distro you installed src files. Whether you have 
removed old sane-backends and libsane1. If so how?

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Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD duringinstallation

2002-12-25 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:42:03 -0800
Spencer Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a
> slow, low memory computer ( I have several  ), the installer
> doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is
> really obvious if you need to go to a text install.

All mine exceed specs so I will bow (-: 
to one who has first hand experience.


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Re: Fw: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Kenn Murrah
the gimp is powerful, but it has one glaring flaw: it
does not work in CMYK.  and for professional design
work, lab color and CMYK are absolutely,
non-negotiable necessities ...

and if there is a linux equivalent to freehand or
illustrator, or to page layout software such as
indesign and quarkxpress, i haven't been able to find
it 

so as much as i'd like to use linux for a professional
color design workstation, the software just isn't
there ...

yet.

MYO,

kenn


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> On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:35 am, Aurélio Diniz
> wrote:
> > I want the same has you! To work with inDesign,
> Freehand and Photoshop in
> > Linux.
> 
> Download the Gimp .pdf and browse it.  Gimp is a lot
> more powerful than you 
> first think.
> 
> Anne
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Re: [newbie] Network speeds: Mandrake -> WindowsXP

2002-12-25 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 7:53 pm, Barry Michels wrote:
> Any reason why transferring files from a samba share to a windows folder
> would be faster when working from windows?  I was at the console in
> Mandrake and used mv to move files from a directory to a mounted windows
> share and got about 7.2MB/s.  Then, I stopped the transfer and went to the
> windows machine. Moving from Network Neighborhood to the local windows
> folder, I got 12MB/s (with peaks at 16MB/s).  Both processes were moving
> the same data to the same folders.  Both measurements were done from Task
> Manager in Windows XP and compared using net-monitor in Mandrake.
> BTW, I've got gigabit ethernet on these 2 machines and ATA 100 IDE drives.
>
> Barry

There are any number of parameters which could affect throughput. One worth 
checking is that you have this line in your /etc/samba/smb.conf files of both 
your server and your client

   socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192

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[newbie] CDROM Lilo entry?

2002-12-25 Thread Barry Michels
I noticed that there's a 'Boot from floppy' entry in lilo.  Is there a way to 
add a 'Boot from CD' entry?  I have an old laptop that can't boot from a CD.

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Re: [newbie] OT The Outcome of Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Dennis & Sue
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 02:46 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 06:41, Dennis & Sue wrote:
> > So I formatted, and got rid of windows 2000, Loaded Windows 98, And
> > reinstalled my boot loader. Here is the tale of woe :
> >
> > Windows 98 required too many reboots to count. It took me over 2 hours to
> > load the O.S., install the video driver, the sound card driver, antivirus
> > ,firewall, camera software, and cdr software.
> > I have not yet installed Office, Winzip, or anything else, ( At this
> > point I'm not sure I'll even bother ).
> >
> >  Installing and configuring  Mandrake with all the bells and whistles,
> > with OO, and KOffice, and everything else took about 1 hour,  Maybe
> > slightly longer but not much, as I recall.
> >
> > Windows boot up is slw. The whole thing is cumbersome and , well
> > ehh, ( We've only been running Mandrake full time for about 5-6
> > months now ).
> > Anyway, After doing all of this ( rebooting between everything of course
> > ), On the final reboot the damn thing goes into a ... BSOD.
> > HaHaHaHaHa. I can't believe that at one time this was the best we could
> > do.
> > What the hell were we thinking ?
> > It took me about 10 minutes to reload lilo ( I did an upgrade and picked
> > up a couple packages ), and get back to where we belong.
> > Now I'm thinking about dual booting something real with Mandrake, or
> > repartitioning and giving all 40 gigs to Mandrake, because THAT just
> > hurt.
>
> It is sad to realize that there are millions and millions of people that
> think the MS solution is the "end all" solution - until they see
> something different.
>
> Like buying a Volvo station wagon - ya'd never think about it until you
> get in an accident with the kids in the car - THEN you're buying the
> Volvo station wagon...(bad analogy, but I though it was cool).
>
> Think of it this way:
>
> Windows users are like robots - when they hunger, they walk into Maccas
> and order a meal - it is delivered - they eat it. Never once thinking
> about how shitty the meal is, or what the meal is lacking. When they're
> shown that they can cook a steak and potatoes and veggies and make a
> salad and eat THAT instead - it just takes the time to make it - all of
> a sudden their world changes...they have something more fulfilling and
> they've cooked it themselves...all the while wondering why in the hell
> they were eatting Maccas this whole time...

Now I still have problems with Linux, and don't understand much about it 
really. And my camera still isn't supported. And at times it is difficult and 
frustrating for me. But atleast it doesn't explode on contact.
The way dependencies aren't handled is a pain, If you grab something it ought 
to either have the necessary libraries, or provide a means to get them 
somewhat easily.
None the less, with all it's warts Linux is still my choice.


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[newbie] Network speeds: Mandrake -> WindowsXP

2002-12-25 Thread Barry Michels
Any reason why transferring files from a samba share to a windows folder would 
be faster when working from windows?  I was at the console in Mandrake and 
used mv to move files from a directory to a mounted windows share and got 
about 7.2MB/s.  Then, I stopped the transfer and went to the windows machine.  
Moving from Network Neighborhood to the local windows folder, I got 12MB/s 
(with peaks at 16MB/s).  Both processes were moving the same data to the same 
folders.  Both measurements were done from Task Manager in Windows XP and 
compared using net-monitor in Mandrake.
BTW, I've got gigabit ethernet on these 2 machines and ATA 100 IDE drives.

Barry


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Re: [newbie] Recording streaming audio.

2002-12-25 Thread Sevatio
Robin Ballantine wrote:

Does anyone know how to record the streaming ram from realplay? I've been 
listening to a few programmes on the BBC website (www.bbc.co.uk) using 
realplay, which works pretty good; the only problem is that what I listen to 
does not get cached and so if I want to listen to it again I have to go 
online again for the full length of the programme.

I'm using MDK9, kde3.0.4, kernel-2.4.20, with onboard sound ac97 via82c686b.

I reckon I should be able to record using artsrec but have had no success yet.
Any help appreciated.

	Robin





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The only one I know of is TotalRecorder.  Unfortunately, last I checked 
it is stuck in the Windows Environment.


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Re: [newbie] LM9.0 & CDROM Problems

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 06:43, Sevatio wrote:
> Are there problems with the automount on LM9.0?  It's been very 
> inconsistent when I'm trying to transfer data from CDs onto my HD.  As a 
> result, I've had to do it on a different PC runnint LM8.2 and then ftp 
> the files into my LM9.0 box.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sevatio

If you're having problems with the automount, why not just manually
mount the CD's and try it that way - seems a bit of a tough go to jump
through all those hoops to get files onto yer drive...

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Re: [newbie] OT The Outcome of Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 06:41, Dennis & Sue wrote:
> So I formatted, and got rid of windows 2000, Loaded Windows 98, And 
> reinstalled my boot loader. Here is the tale of woe :
> 
> Windows 98 required too many reboots to count. It took me over 2 hours to load 
> the O.S., install the video driver, the sound card driver, antivirus 
> ,firewall, camera software, and cdr software.
> I have not yet installed Office, Winzip, or anything else, ( At this point I'm 
> not sure I'll even bother ).
> 
>  Installing and configuring  Mandrake with all the bells and whistles, with 
> OO, and KOffice, and everything else took about 1 hour,  Maybe slightly 
> longer but not much, as I recall.
> 
> Windows boot up is slw. The whole thing is cumbersome and , well 
> ehh, ( We've only been running Mandrake full time for about 5-6 months 
> now ).
> Anyway, After doing all of this ( rebooting between everything of course ), On 
> the final reboot the damn thing goes into a ... BSOD. HaHaHaHaHa.
> I can't believe that at one time this was the best we could do.
> What the hell were we thinking ?
> It took me about 10 minutes to reload lilo ( I did an upgrade and picked up a 
> couple packages ), and get back to where we belong.
> Now I'm thinking about dual booting something real with Mandrake, or 
> repartitioning and giving all 40 gigs to Mandrake, because THAT just hurt.

It is sad to realize that there are millions and millions of people that
think the MS solution is the "end all" solution - until they see
something different.

Like buying a Volvo station wagon - ya'd never think about it until you
get in an accident with the kids in the car - THEN you're buying the
Volvo station wagon...(bad analogy, but I though it was cool).

Think of it this way:

Windows users are like robots - when they hunger, they walk into Maccas
and order a meal - it is delivered - they eat it. Never once thinking
about how shitty the meal is, or what the meal is lacking. When they're
shown that they can cook a steak and potatoes and veggies and make a
salad and eat THAT instead - it just takes the time to make it - all of
a sudden their world changes...they have something more fulfilling and
they've cooked it themselves...all the while wondering why in the hell
they were eatting Maccas this whole time...

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[newbie] LM9.0 & CDROM Problems

2002-12-25 Thread Sevatio
Are there problems with the automount on LM9.0?  It's been very 
inconsistent when I'm trying to transfer data from CDs onto my HD.  As a 
result, I've had to do it on a different PC runnint LM8.2 and then ftp 
the files into my LM9.0 box.

Thanks,
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[newbie] OT The Outcome of Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Dennis & Sue
So I formatted, and got rid of windows 2000, Loaded Windows 98, And 
reinstalled my boot loader. Here is the tale of woe :

Windows 98 required too many reboots to count. It took me over 2 hours to load 
the O.S., install the video driver, the sound card driver, antivirus 
,firewall, camera software, and cdr software.
I have not yet installed Office, Winzip, or anything else, ( At this point I'm 
not sure I'll even bother ).

 Installing and configuring  Mandrake with all the bells and whistles, with 
OO, and KOffice, and everything else took about 1 hour,  Maybe slightly 
longer but not much, as I recall.

Windows boot up is slw. The whole thing is cumbersome and , well 
ehh, ( We've only been running Mandrake full time for about 5-6 months 
now ).
Anyway, After doing all of this ( rebooting between everything of course ), On 
the final reboot the damn thing goes into a ... BSOD. HaHaHaHaHa.
I can't believe that at one time this was the best we could do.
What the hell were we thinking ?
It took me about 10 minutes to reload lilo ( I did an upgrade and picked up a 
couple packages ), and get back to where we belong.
Now I'm thinking about dual booting something real with Mandrake, or 
repartitioning and giving all 40 gigs to Mandrake, because THAT just hurt.




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Re: [newbie] DVD region killer

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 02:18, Sasongko Pribadi Djoko wrote:
> Dear H.J. Bathoorn, Friends,
> 
> Thank you for your mail below and I did the "urpmi gcc".
> When I try again to do "make -f Makefile" below listing occure:

When you're in a source directory, the steps to compile a program are
basically this:
./configure
make
make install

...there should be no reason to do a make -f Makefile - unless it has
been modified. You need to have the configure script take care of
running aclocal, autoheader, automake autoconf and the likes. So, unpack
your source code again (delete what you've mucked with already so it's
fresh) and when you're in that source dir, type:

1.) ./configure
2.) make
3.) make install

...now if you've got problems after that, then we'll start digging
deeper.

Cheers!

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Re: [newbie] Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 02:11, Dennis & Sue wrote:
> Merry Christmas All.
> Here is my situation :
> I have loaded Windows 2000 on 20 gigs, And Mandrake 9 on 20 gigs. ( One 
> Harddrive ). The Windows setup went South ( trashed itself almost immediately 
> ). The Mandrake setup is solid ( surprise, surprise ).
> I've decided that I want to dump Windows 2000, and replace it with Windows 98.
> When I do this, It will ( probably, I don't know for sure ) rewrite the boot 
> record and I will lose access to Mandrake.
> The only way I know how to regain access is to reload / ( I am an unashamed 
> Newbie ).
> I know there is an easier way, and I really like my current setup.
> Any suggestions ?

No reloads. Dig this:

Take the Win98 boot disk and boot with it - but don't let it install
Windows just yet, use FDISK to change the ACTIVE PARTITION to the
partition that had Win2k on it (make sure you remember which partition
was originally set active for your MDK boot!). After you set the
partition to ACTIVE, reboot - STILL with the Win98 disk in. Once again,
don't load Windows, but use FDISK to delete then recreate the Win2k
partition so that it is not a Win98 VFAT partition. Don't worry about
setting it as active - let it - so that you can complete the Win98
install without problems. Once the partition is recreated, format the
partiton for Win98. Now continue with your Win98 installation. After the
installation is done (and you're happy with it's stability - or
instability as the case may be), boot up once more with the Win98 boot
disk, and use FDISK to set the ACTIVE PARTITION back to the MDK boot
partition (probably the smallest partiton on the drive - shown as a
NON-DOS partition - depending on how y'all partitioned it). Reboot - and
you should now see your MDK boot screen. Login to MDK as you normally
would - once logged in, open up a term and run lilo at the prompt - it
will rebuild/readd the Windows partition to your boot menu. You're done.

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Re: [newbie] resolution

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 02:04, Gil Katz wrote:
> Hi
> i run 768x1024 some of the programs like GnomeToaster is bigger then the
> screen area and i cann't do a thing.
> help pls.
> Thanks
> Gil
> 

Not knowing what you set your max screen res, you can try hitting CTRL
ALT +  and seeing if that makes the screen bigger...else you can change
the screen res through MCC to a higher mode and switch back to a lower
mode with the key-combo.


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Re: [newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 00:34, magnet wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working fine 
> but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on IRC. Does 
> anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works fine 
> connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers.
> 
> Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.
> 
> Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other 
> machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc block 
> but connects fine to ICQ.
> 
> Cheers
> magnet

ICQ port is 5190
Have you checked the scripts to see if it's being blocked?

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Re: [newbie] modprobe

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 23:53, Gil Katz wrote:
> Hi
> i install firewire and all the necessary files.
> each time i start the computer i have to do modprobe raw1394 and modprobe
> video1394 to start the driver.
> what to do so the system will do that authomaticaly?
> Thanks
> Gil

You could always do a depmod -a after you've loaded them - that should
set it up for automatic loading - else you can manually edit your
/etc/modules.conf file, or add them in a script to like your
/etc/rc.d/rc.local script.

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Re: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Rob Lindsay
Re: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2
 From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


Stephen,

Thanks for the comprehensive answer to all my points.

Will get on with trying out some of the applications you suggest.

Rob



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[newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Rob Lindsay
Re: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2
 From: Rob Lindsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> To answer just one of your questions.
>
> If you have an audio cable from your CD to your sound card then just
>
> Right click on Xmms
> Options>Preferences
> Configure and enable the CD Audio Player plugin defining the device name
> and mount point
>
> Then to play the CD Right click on xmms>Play Directory and select the mount
> point.
>
> If you have no audio cable you need the cdread plugin. You can find
> instructions on using it on my home page.
>
> HTH
>
> derek

Thanks for the speedy help.

Did what you said and it is now working.

Rob



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[newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Rob Lindsay
Re: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2
 From: Rob Lindsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 December 2002 03:56 pm, Rob Lindsay wrote:
> 
>
> > Finally, how do I play music direct from CD with XMMS.
> > Have only had success reading tracks in with X-CD-Roast
> > and then selecting them through XMMS.
>
> 
>
> Rob, supposing your CD is in the cupholder and it is
> mounted, right-click somewhere in xmms and select *play
> directory*. Then browse to /mnt/cdrom or whatever and
> enjoy. This is somewhat different from other CD-players
> like Noatun, because normally a music-CD must be unmounted
> to play.
>
> HTH
>
> Kaj Haulrich
> Denmark

Thanks Kaj,

I had the /dev/scd0 line in the CD Audio Player Config wrong.

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[newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Rob Lindsay
Fw: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2
 From: Aurélio Diniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
I want the same has you! To work with inDesign, Freehand and Photoshop in
Linux.
I've just installed vmware (thanks to stephens!) and i'll give a try on
thursday.
I sincerely hope that BIG companies like Macromedia, Adobe, etc can one day
release linux versions of there products. When they do so, many like me
would not hesitate to trash their windows and enter the linux world. Until
then i can't get rid of my windows, permanently..

If you're looking for a vector art program, try: Scretch (not to sure right
now about the name). It's free and be used like coreldraw or freehand,
althought it's no match for neither.

cheers,

filipe

Yes Filipe, but I find Gimp very capable as a Photoshop replacement. I would 
just like to be able to drag open images from an image viewer straight into 
Gimp - something that is easy to do under W2K. It's probably possible under 
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Re: [newbie] cron & smbtar

2002-12-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 21:57, Colin Jenkins wrote:
> Hi all,
> The script below works ok from the command line but when I run it as a
> cron job, it starts ok, but stops after backing up a few directories.
> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? is it a bug with cron?
> btw, I'm using mdk9
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> smbtar -s elendil -t /dev/st0 -x "stuff1" -v -i  -X System\ Volume\ Information
> mt -f /dev/st0 offline  
> 
> -- 
> regards,
>  Colin
> 

You might want to give ownership of the cron job to root - so that it
will run no matter what - could be that when the job hits those
directories it's "chucking a wobbly" because of improper permissions.

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Re: [newbie] More OO woes

2002-12-25 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
robin wrote:
> 
> After migrating to another box, I found OO would open for all users but
> only root could print (see previous post).  After trying various
> remedies unsuccessfully (deleting ~/.openoffice, rerunning setup, trying
> with a brand new user etc.) I uninstalled the OO rpms and reinstalled
> it.  My reward for trying this Windows-like approach is that now,
> whether as root or a normal user, OO starts to open, gets as far as the
> splash screen, then crashes.  Running setup produces a slew of error
> messages saying it can't copy various files in /usr/lib/openoffice/user
> to ~/.openoffice . (this is using the RPMs that come with 9.0, BTW -
> funny thing is that they worked fine on the original box).
> 
> Has anyone had a similar experience?  Searching the OO archives didn't
> produce anything useful.

Merry Christmas Sir,

Are the other users members of the print group, if such a thing exists?

HIH
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Re: [newbie] howto configure synaptic apt-get to run as user?

2002-12-25 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 5:09 pm, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
> Merry Christmas list members,
>
> I am running Fluxbox windowmanager with Roxfiler filemanager (using
> a panel launcher for common apps) and my question is, how can I
> configure something like synaptic apt-get to run from a icon on the
> panel as a user?
>
> Apt-get requires root priv's to run.  The icon I have now just attempts
> to run /usr/sbin/synaptic, which I receive a error msg stating only root
> can run synaptic.
>
> MandrakeUpdate requires root priv's for example, and when it is run as
> a user, it prompts me for the root password.
>
> Is there a script (which I wouldn't know how to create) or a link or...
> which I could do in order for synaptic to run?
>
> I checked my menus to see what was configured for synaptic to run, and
> it shows for the command to run as;
> kdesu /user/sbin/synaptic
> which does not work for the icon I created on my panel.
>
> TIA for any help or ideas
> Steve

PAM (permissions access module does what you want)  To see how PAM can help 
take userdrake as an example.

/usr/bin/userdrake is a symlink to /usr/bin/consolehelper

consolehelper is an app which looks to see how it was called (via userdrake) 
and then looks in /etc/pam.d for a file of the same name. (I think if one 
does not exist it will default to the file /etc/simple_root_authen )

These files contain the tests which must be true in order to be allowed to 
execute the command. These tests may include putting up a pop up for you to 
enter root password. If all the tests are passed, then execution will pass to 
/usr/sbin/userdrake.real and the application then executes normally.

I have never spent much time looking at the syntax for the pam authentication, 
but if you look at the files already present you should be able to work out 
how to do what you want.

My website has an example showing how to get net_monitor running as a user.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] synaptic apt-get reports conflict between iptables andipchains

2002-12-25 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:26:49 -0600
Steve Jeppesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The main one I am concerned about is that it states there is a
> conflict between ipchains and iptables - which I would have thought
> when I installed MD 9.0, it would have stated something about those
> two do not go together.  I did not install either ipchains or iptables
> -after- installing 9.0, I installed them during the main installation.
> 
> If there was a conflict, shouldn't it have caught it then?


During the Mandrake installation Any and Every pkg you select will be
installed irregardless of any conflict which might exist.

So, yes, iptables and ipchains Do conflict as do TiMidity++ and kdevelop
as well as several others.

As to your other query any computer that connects to the Internet or a
multiple user network Should use some type of firewall.


Charles


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Re: [newbie] Sound gone again

2002-12-25 Thread David Williams
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 11:36 am, David Williams wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 December 2002 07:01 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 11:22 pm, David Williams wrote:
> > > I spoke to soon. I have most of my sound back.
> > >
> > > I have my CDs playing and game sounds in the front speakers. I have all
> > > of the system noises working correctly. The problem is that the back
> > > speakers and the Sub-woofer doesn't work again. I have tried the AUMIX
> > > and SOUND CONTROL settings (which is what I thought fixed it the first
> > > time). Any ideas that I can follow after
> > > David
> >
> > Don't know whether it will help, but I needed the fix described on
> > Derek's page
> >
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/djennings/
> >
> > It says it is to fix problems if you don't have an audio cable from your
> > soundcard, but I had such a cable, and the fix was still needed.  You
> > can't lose, I think, so it's worth a try.
> >
> > Anne
>
> As you said it was worth a shot, however it didn't help.
> I can play CDs through the front speakers. I just don't have the back
> channels or subwoofer working. I did load the EMUL10K1 which is what I use
> and it isn't what was loaded. However, that didn't seem to help.
> Thanks for the idea. If nothing else, I learn something new everyday.
> David

Anne --
Spoke to soon, once again. I reloaded rather than logout and log back in and I 
once again have all of my sound.
Thanks for the tip.
Its been a good weekend. I have SAMBA running (this took me three weeks), VNC 
working, my sound is back. I have all of the stuff loaded that I wanted 
loaded (with the exception of Bannerblind in Mozilla). Life and Linux MDK9.0 
is good.
Merry Christmas
David

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Re: [newbie] howto configure synaptic apt-get to run as user?

2002-12-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 19:09, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
> Merry Christmas list members,
>
> I checked my menus to see what was configured for synaptic to run,
> and it shows for the command to run as;
> kdesu /user/sbin/synaptic
> which does not work for the icon I created on my panel.

Sorry, can't help, but I've also found that while synaptic runs fine 
when launched from an root xterm, it refuses to cooperate with menu 
systems, even with kdesu. Maybe in the next version ...

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[newbie] synaptic apt-get reports conflict between iptables and ipchains

2002-12-25 Thread Steve Jeppesen
I recently installed apt-get after reading about it through the list
here.  Great program, but I have not attempted to even fix the things it
is reporting as broken.

The main one I am concerned about is that it states there is a conflict
between ipchains and iptables - which I would have thought when I
installed MD 9.0, it would have stated something about those two do not
go together.  I did not install either ipchains or iptables -after-
installing 9.0, I installed them during the main installation.

If there was a conflict, shouldn't it have caught it then?

I understand iptables are the most current set of firewall control
varibles, and ipchains is older...so I should be able to uninstall
ipchains - right?

My goal is to end up configuring apt-get to automatically keep my system
up to date, but before I set it up as such (if I can?  LOL) I want to
get my system in tip top shape.

The system I am referring to here is my personal p.c. - the network
itself is protected on the internet router/firewall computerwhich I
think is also running ipchains along side iptables.  I understand there
may not really be a need to run a firewall on my p.c. - just taking the
stance of it doesn't hurt to have a main firewall/router protecting the
network, and on all Windoze p.c.'s within the network are running Zone
Alarm as back up protection...thus I have installed (but never really
changed any configuration) iptables and ipchains on my mandrake p.c.

Excuse me if I give a little too much info, never sure what exactly is
needed so I blab blab blab  LOL

TIA
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Re: [newbie] More OO woes

2002-12-25 Thread Milos Prudek
e on the original box).


Has anyone had a similar experience?  Searching the OO archives didn't 
produce anything useful.

Absolutely not. Not a single problem with OpenOffice and Mandrake 9.

I installed Open Office during my Mandrake 9 installation.

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[newbie] howto configure synaptic apt-get to run as user?

2002-12-25 Thread Steve Jeppesen
Merry Christmas list members,

I am running Fluxbox windowmanager with Roxfiler filemanager (using
a panel launcher for common apps) and my question is, how can I
configure something like synaptic apt-get to run from a icon on the
panel as a user?

Apt-get requires root priv's to run.  The icon I have now just attempts
to run /usr/sbin/synaptic, which I receive a error msg stating only root
can run synaptic.

MandrakeUpdate requires root priv's for example, and when it is run as
a user, it prompts me for the root password.

Is there a script (which I wouldn't know how to create) or a link or...
which I could do in order for synaptic to run?

I checked my menus to see what was configured for synaptic to run, and
it shows for the command to run as;
kdesu /user/sbin/synaptic
which does not work for the icon I created on my panel.

TIA for any help or ideas
Steve

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RE: [newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread Brandon Vanderberg
Hi,
To enable DCC through a firewall, I did the following:
Configure Xchat to use 2 ports (say 1087 and 1088) for dcc. You can use
more, but not less.
Configure my firewall to allow 2 ports for dcc.

~brandon

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Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] blocked ports?


Hi all,

Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working
fine
but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on IRC. Does
anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works fine
connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers.

Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.

Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other
machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc block
but connects fine to ICQ.

Cheers
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Re: [newbie] Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Dennis & Sue
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 10:55 am, Michel Clasquin wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 December 2002 17:11, Dennis & Sue wrote:
> > I've decided that I want to dump Windows 2000, and replace it with
> > Windows 98. When I do this, It will ( probably, I don't know for
> > sure ) rewrite the boot record and I will lose access to Mandrake.
>
> Yes it will
>
> > The only way I know how to regain access is to reload / ( I am an
> > unashamed Newbie ).
> > I know there is an easier way, and I really like my current setup.
> > Any suggestions ?
>
> 1.Make a boot floppy. Before you do anything else MAKE A BOOT FLOPPY.
> Even if you made one when you installed Mandrake, make a new one now
> (floppies can degrade over time if they are unused, and you might
> have changed something else since then). The easiest way is to run
> drakconf (as root), click on the booting section and select the "make
> a boot floppy" option there.
>
> 2.Now test the boot floppy. That is, boot from it. Hold down DEL as
> you boot and set your computer to boot from the floppy drive instead
> of the hard disk. Save the setup and reboot. If linux comes up, you
> can move on.
>
> [optional]
> back up the following files to floppy, just in case:
> /etc/lilo.conf
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (if it exists on your system)
>
> If there is no /etc/lilo.conf on your system, you must be booting from
> grub: get back to us in that case
>
> 3. Install windows98. Don't worry, it won't even know your Linux disk
> is there. But if you installed win2000 on NTFS rather than FAT32, you
> may need to dive into FDISK and remove the win2000 partition.
>
> 4. If win98 is working OK, or as well as can be expected, then boot
> from your linux boot floppy. Sign in as root and run the following
> command in a console or xterm:
>
> lilo
>
> That should restore your boot menu with both linux and windows listed
> just as you had them. Test everything thoroughly, then set your
> computer back to booting from the hard disk by default.
>
> Easy, huh?
Yeah real easy. Nothing weird for file system just fat32.
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Re: [newbie] Sound gone again

2002-12-25 Thread David Williams
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 07:01 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 11:22 pm, David Williams wrote:
> > I spoke to soon. I have most of my sound back.
> >
> > I have my CDs playing and game sounds in the front speakers. I have all
> > of the system noises working correctly. The problem is that the back
> > speakers and the Sub-woofer doesn't work again. I have tried the AUMIX
> > and SOUND CONTROL settings (which is what I thought fixed it the first
> > time). Any ideas that I can follow after
> > David
>
> Don't know whether it will help, but I needed the fix described on Derek's
> page
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/djennings/
>
> It says it is to fix problems if you don't have an audio cable from your
> soundcard, but I had such a cable, and the fix was still needed.  You can't
> lose, I think, so it's worth a try.
>
> Anne

As you said it was worth a shot, however it didn't help.
I can play CDs through the front speakers. I just don't have the back channels 
or subwoofer working. I did load the EMUL10K1 which is what I use and it 
isn't what was loaded. However, that didn't seem to help.
Thanks for the idea. If nothing else, I learn something new everyday.
David

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Re: [newbie] lpr problem

2002-12-25 Thread Erik Farnsworth
Robin,

I'm not sure this is the definitive answer, but I overcame the problem
by adding my user account to the group 'lp' in
Config>Other>userdrake--erik>edit>groups.  Now all programs are willing
to print for user erik.

HTH.


On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 09:27, robin wrote:
> It turned out my OO problem seems to be a problem with the way it calls 
> lpr - Mozilla does the same. LyX and Kwrite work fine for a normal user, 
> but OO and Moz will still only print as root.  When opened from a 
> terminal, OO gives the error "lpr: unable to create temporary file." 
> Any idea what's causing this?  /tmp is full of files created by LyX but 
> not OO, as far as I can tell.
> 
> Sir Robin



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Re: [newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread mike
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 10:49 am, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 3:14 pm, mike wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 December 2002 08:34 am, you wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's
> > > working fine but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using
> > > xchat on IRC. Does anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and
> > > xchat works fine connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc
> > > transfers.
> > >
> > > Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.
> > >
> > > Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the
> > > other machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the
> > > dcc block but connects fine to ICQ.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > magnet
> >
> > I had the same trouble with DCC.Finally I went to the #xchat channel on
> > irc and they told me to enable "Get my IP from server" in the settings.
> >
> > Settings/Setup/IP Address/Get my IP from Server
> >
> > This solved my DCC problem and I hope it works for you.Also you will need
> > to reconnect to the server.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Mike
>
> Appreciate you taking time during xmas to help. Unfortunately I have always
> had that setting here so it must be something specific to me running
> gshield here
>
> Regards
> magnet

My firewall is IPKungfu and I didnt have to open any ports to use DCC.
I am not familiar with Gshield.

Mike

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Re: [newbie] Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 17:11, Dennis & Sue wrote:

> I've decided that I want to dump Windows 2000, and replace it with
> Windows 98. When I do this, It will ( probably, I don't know for
> sure ) rewrite the boot record and I will lose access to Mandrake.

Yes it will

> The only way I know how to regain access is to reload / ( I am an
> unashamed Newbie ).
> I know there is an easier way, and I really like my current setup.
> Any suggestions ?

1.Make a boot floppy. Before you do anything else MAKE A BOOT FLOPPY. 
Even if you made one when you installed Mandrake, make a new one now 
(floppies can degrade over time if they are unused, and you might 
have changed something else since then). The easiest way is to run 
drakconf (as root), click on the booting section and select the "make 
a boot floppy" option there.

2.Now test the boot floppy. That is, boot from it. Hold down DEL as 
you boot and set your computer to boot from the floppy drive instead 
of the hard disk. Save the setup and reboot. If linux comes up, you 
can move on.

[optional]
back up the following files to floppy, just in case:
/etc/lilo.conf
/etc/X11/XF86Config
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (if it exists on your system)

If there is no /etc/lilo.conf on your system, you must be booting from 
grub: get back to us in that case

3. Install windows98. Don't worry, it won't even know your Linux disk 
is there. But if you installed win2000 on NTFS rather than FAT32, you 
may need to dive into FDISK and remove the win2000 partition.

4. If win98 is working OK, or as well as can be expected, then boot 
from your linux boot floppy. Sign in as root and run the following 
command in a console or xterm:

lilo

That should restore your boot menu with both linux and windows listed 
just as you had them. Test everything thoroughly, then set your 
computer back to booting from the hard disk by default.

Easy, huh?

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Re: [newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread magnet
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 3:14 pm, mike wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 December 2002 08:34 am, you wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working
> > fine but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on
> > IRC. Does anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works
> > fine connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers.
> >
> > Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.
> >
> > Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other
> > machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc
> > block but connects fine to ICQ.
> >
> > Cheers
> > magnet
>
> I had the same trouble with DCC.Finally I went to the #xchat channel on irc
> and they told me to enable "Get my IP from server" in the settings.
>
> Settings/Setup/IP Address/Get my IP from Server
>
> This solved my DCC problem and I hope it works for you.Also you will need
> to reconnect to the server.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Mike

Appreciate you taking time during xmas to help. Unfortunately I have always 
had that setting here so it must be something specific to me running gshield 
here

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[newbie] lpr problem

2002-12-25 Thread robin
It turned out my OO problem seems to be a problem with the way it calls 
lpr - Mozilla does the same. LyX and Kwrite work fine for a normal user, 
but OO and Moz will still only print as root.  When opened from a 
terminal, OO gives the error "lpr: unable to create temporary file." 
Any idea what's causing this?  /tmp is full of files created by LyX but 
not OO, as far as I can tell.

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Re: [newbie] DVD region killer

2002-12-25 Thread Sasongko Pribadi Djoko
Dear H.J. Bathoorn, Friends,

Thank you for your mail below and I did the "urpmi gcc".
When I try again to do "make -f Makefile" below listing occure:


[os@localhost DVD]$ cd dvd_disc_2215_css
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ l
	COPYING  dvd_disc.h  dvd_udf.c  README.dvd_disc  regionset.c
	dvdbackup.c  dvd_file.c  dvd_udf.h  README.dvd_file
	dvd_disc.c   dvd_file.h  Makefile   README.dvd_udf
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ make -f Makefile
	gcc -Wall -g -o dvd_disc_.o -c dvd_disc.c
	make: *** No rule to make target `../dvd_css', needed by `dvd_udf.o'.  
Stop.
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ make all
	make: *** No rule to make target `../dvd_css', needed by `dvd_udf.o'.  
Stop.
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ make regionset.c
	make: Nothing to be done for `regionset.c'.
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ l
	COPYING  dvd_disc.h   dvd_file.h  Makefile README.dvd_udf
	dvdbackup.c  dvd_disc_.o  dvd_udf.c   README.dvd_disc  regionset.c
	dvd_disc.c   dvd_file.c   dvd_udf.h   README.dvd_file
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ COPYING
	bash: ./COPYING: Permission denied
[os@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]$ su
	Password:
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make -f Makefile
	make: *** No rule to make target `../dvd_css', needed by `dvd_udf.o'.  
Stop.
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# cd..
[root@localhost DVD]# l
	dvd_disc_2215_css/
[root@localhost DVD]# md dvd_css
[root@localhost DVD]# l
	dvd_css/  dvd_disc_2215_css/
[root@localhost DVD]# cd dvd_disc_2215_css
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make -f Makefile
	make -C ../dvd_css dvd_css.o
	make[1]: Entering directory `/home/os/Documents/DVD/dvd_css'
	make[1]: *** No rule to make target `dvd_css.o'.  Stop.
	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/os/Documents/DVD/dvd_css'
	make: *** [dvd_udf.o] Error 2
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# l
	COPYING  dvd_disc.h   dvd_file.h  Makefile README.dvd_udf
	dvdbackup.c  dvd_disc_.o  dvd_udf.c   README.dvd_disc  regionset.c
	dvd_disc.c   dvd_file.c   dvd_udf.h   README.dvd_file
[root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# cd ../dvd_css
[root@localhost dvd_css]# l
[root@localhost dvd_css]#
end

I have no idea why the "make -f Makefile" doesn't work.
Any suggestion what I have to do?

Thank you,
PDS

From: "H.J.Bathoorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] DVD region killer
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:43:15 +

On Tuesday 24 December 2002 13:10, Sasongko Pribadi Djoko wrote:
> Dear John McQuillen,Friends,
>
> Thank you for your mail on 19 Dec 2002.
> I did download the tar file (in
> www.linuxtv.org/download/dvd/dvd_disc_2215_css.tar.gz) and extract 
the
> files.
>
> When I try to do to "make" the file, below listed error occure:
> 
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# l
> COPYING  dvd_disc.h  dvd_udf.c  README.dvd_disc  regionset.c
> dvdbackup.c  dvd_file.c  dvd_udf.h  README.dvd_file
> dvd_disc.c   dvd_file.h  Makefile   README.dvd_udf
> [root@localhost dvd_disc_2215_css]# make -f Makefile
> gcc -Wall -g -o dvd_disc_.o -c dvd_disc.c
> make: gcc: Command not found

Looks like you don't have the compiler installed. Just install gcc (as
root/su:"urpmi gcc") and it should work.

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Re: [newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread mike
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 08:34 am, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working
> fine but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on IRC.
> Does anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works fine
> connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers.
>
> Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.
>
> Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other
> machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc block
> but connects fine to ICQ.
>
> Cheers
> magnet


I had the same trouble with DCC.Finally I went to the #xchat channel on irc 
and they told me to enable "Get my IP from server" in the settings.

Settings/Setup/IP Address/Get my IP from Server

This solved my DCC problem and I hope it works for you.Also you will need to 
reconnect to the server.

Good Luck 

Mike

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[newbie] Reloading Windows

2002-12-25 Thread Dennis & Sue
Merry Christmas All.
Here is my situation :
I have loaded Windows 2000 on 20 gigs, And Mandrake 9 on 20 gigs. ( One 
Harddrive ). The Windows setup went South ( trashed itself almost immediately 
). The Mandrake setup is solid ( surprise, surprise ).
I've decided that I want to dump Windows 2000, and replace it with Windows 98.
When I do this, It will ( probably, I don't know for sure ) rewrite the boot 
record and I will lose access to Mandrake.
The only way I know how to regain access is to reload / ( I am an unashamed 
Newbie ).
I know there is an easier way, and I really like my current setup.
Any suggestions ?


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[newbie] resolution

2002-12-25 Thread Gil Katz
Hi
i run 768x1024 some of the programs like GnomeToaster is bigger then the
screen area and i cann't do a thing.
help pls.
Thanks
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Re: [newbie] installing java

2002-12-25 Thread Daryl Johnson
You can, in fact, install Star Office without Java if neccessary however... 
:o)

The Java package is pretty much self installing, from memory.  Could you post 
the name of the package you downloaded please because there are sources, 
which is done one way, and RPMs which are done another.  For example I 
downloaded the rpm.bin.

regards

Daryl

On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 1:24 pm, Owen Berio wrote:
> At 08:10 PM 12/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >X86 / 9.0 (Dolphin) / Installation Q
> >
> >I have down loaded java  j2re-140-03 from Sun Microsystems download page.
> >It now resides in /home/owen/dlsoftware. (dlsoftware is a folder I
> > created). Now how do I go about installing it?
> >Please explain step by step. As a newbie my skill level stopped with
> >pushing icon buttons.
> >My end objective is to install Star Office but the installation stalls
> >because I lack the necessary java software.
> >Owen

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Re: [newbie] Lindows

2002-12-25 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote:

On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:21 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:


On Monday 23 December 2002 08:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote:


On Friday 23 Dec 2022 1:09 pm, robin wrote:


Richard Babcock wrote:


Greetings,
I was just surfing the Wal-Mart site and found them hawking an OS
called Lindows. Anyone know anything about this? It seems they are
working hard to convince neophytes that Windows is good but not that
good. I just don't like the approach and am disappointed in Wal-Mart
for taking it.


From what I know of Lindows, it strikes me as the worst of both
worlds. I hear it automatically logs you in as root, thus blowing most
of the famous Linux security and stability in one fell swoop.


That should make windows users feel at home :)

Anne


Anne:

Once they learn to get along without their daily dose of BSOD's they should
be OK. I've heard that some of them are so badly hooked that they need them
even more frequently. Sad, but true.

Merry Christmas!

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I think I'm nearly over it, but you know, every once in a while I get that 
low-down feeling - I haven't had a good dose of adrenaline for ages!


Two alternatives:

1.  Install a development kernel, hack your config files and generally 
do anything that will make your system unstable. Trust me, it can be done!

2.  Download the next alpha release.  Preferably not a sissy "release 
candidate" distro, but raw code hot off the Cooker.  It probably still 
won't crash as much as Win98, but it's more fun.

Sir Robin


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Re: [newbie] modprobe

2002-12-25 Thread Dave Kufta
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On Wednesday 25 December 2002 07:53 am, Gil Katz wrote:
'> Hi
> i install firewire and all the necessary files.
> each time i start the computer i have to do modprobe raw1394 and
> modprobe video1394 to start the driver.
> what to do so the system will do that authomaticaly?
> Thanks
> Gil
  Hello Gil,
 You could put your modprobe commands in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file as 
it is last looked at during boot and that should load modules fir you

Merry Christmas,
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[newbie] blocked ports?

2002-12-25 Thread magnet
Hi all,

Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working fine 
but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on IRC. Does 
anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works fine 
connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers.

Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all.

Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other 
machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc block 
but connects fine to ICQ.

Cheers
magnet


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RE: [newbie] installing java

2002-12-25 Thread Owen Berio

At 08:10 PM 12/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:
X86 / 9.0
(Dolphin) / Installation
Q
I have down loaded java 
j2re-140-03 from Sun Microsystems download page. 
It now resides in /home/owen/dlsoftware. (dlsoftware is a folder I
created).
 Now how do I go about installing it? 
Please explain step by step. As a newbie my skill level stopped with
pushing icon buttons. 
My end objective is to install Star Office but the installation stalls
because I lack the necessary java software. 
Owen 




[newbie] modprobe

2002-12-25 Thread Gil Katz
Hi
i install firewire and all the necessary files.
each time i start the computer i have to do modprobe raw1394 and modprobe
video1394 to start the driver.
what to do so the system will do that authomaticaly?
Thanks
Gil



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Re: [newbie] linux office suite comparison?

2002-12-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 04:57, Andrei Raevsky wrote:

> What does StarOffice6 offer which OpenOffice 1.0.1 cannot do?  

AFAIK, a database component, some fonts and graphics, and a free 
support hotline for a limited period (after which you pay for 
support).

But you're a club member: download it and see! The two will live 
happily side by side.

>How
> does Hancom's product compare?

I bought version 2.0 when it came out. Problem is, mdk 9 broke some 
obscure compatibility and now HO won't install unless you download 
the new version (2.01 IIRC). But over 200 MB on a 56K dialup 
connection?  maybe not.

Compared to OOo, HO has a few features OOo doesn't, but the reverse is 
also true. Nothing major. Perhaps HO is a little less obsessed with 
styles than OOo. Oh yes, the word processor plays nicely with 
Unicode, if that is important to you.

Still pining for WordPerfect ...
Michel

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Re: [newbie] Way off topic Gospel of tux

2002-12-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 03:28, Marc wrote:
>   I just thought some of you folks would enjoy this. Sorry if I
> am wasting bandwith for others
>
> Marc

I sure hope that was under an open doccie license, for I've just 
forwarded it to two religion lists!

Thanks, Marc, that was magnificent.

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Re: [newbie] Digital cameras

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 10:45 pm, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
> Anne,
> Sorry if you had posted this and/or noticed something like this but did
> you try and plug the camera into a usb slot and reboot?
>
> I had set up my fstab according to the instructions I believe Todd
> posted (create a fstab entry with /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat
> noauto,owner,ro,user 0 0)
>
> and the Newbie that I am, forgot how to "restart" fstab with mount -a
> so I just rebooted with the camera on and plugged in.  Somehow my system
> created an entry for it automatically - BUT a slightly different entry
> (check below for /dev/sdb1)
>
> I am expreiencing some problems now, but will try and figure it out
> before I post anything specific to my probs.
>
> Just wondering if your system is doing something like this, and maybe
> you are not choosing the right /dev/sdxx.  This sounds close to what I
> was asking before, but different in that if you tried booting once with
> it plugged in, see what your fstab looks like afterwards.
>
> It sounds as if maybe you are trying this - but try to disconnect all
> usb devices and see if that works.  Then add them back in one at a time
> till everything works.
>
> Below is my fstab (sort of ugly from the copy/paste);
>
> /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
> none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
> /dev/hda6 /enddrive ext3 defaults 1 2
> /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto
> codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0
> 0
> /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto
> iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,sync,unhide,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user
> ,nodev 0 0
> /dev/sdb1 /mnt/removable auto
> user,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0
> 0
> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
> /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip auto
> codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user,nodev 0
> 0
> /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat noauto,owner,ro,user 0 0
> 192.168.0.247:/music /music nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 none /proc proc
> defaults 0 0
> 192.168.0.247:/shared /shared nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
> 192.168.0.247:/southpark /southpark nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0/dev/hda5 swap
> swap defaults 0 0
>
> Any thoughts?
> Steve
>
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:05:11 +
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 5:46 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > next I have created a directory to mount the camera: mkdir -m 777
> > > > /mnt/camera
> > > >
> > > > As soon I plug the camera, I can mount as root the pictures on the
> > > > camera:
> > > >
> > > > mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera
> > > >
> > > > And one new directory appears into /mnt/camera with a subdirectory
> > > > that show the pictures.
> > > >
> > > > In every case I use directly an usb port, not a usb-hub.
> > > >
> > > > Francisco Alcaraz
> > > > Murcia (Spain)
> >
> > Interval: 1ms
> >
> > > I wonder if there is a problem with having more than 1 usb-storage
> > > device plugged in at once?  While I'm trying to cover all the
> > > options I'll unplug the LS120 drive.  I've been reluctant to do that
> > > because of previous problems, but I'm sure it will be sortable
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > I have unpowered the LS120 drive, so it shouldn't be visible to the
> > system now.  That leaves just the camera, so I expected it to be
> > mounted as sda.  So:
> >
> > [root@anne-linux anne]# mount /dev/sda /mnt/camera
> > mount: Cannot allocate memory
> > [root@anne-linux anne]# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera
> > mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
> > [root@anne-linux anne]# mount /dev/sdb /mnt/camera
> > mount: No medium found
> > [root@anne-linux anne]#
> >
> > usb-view shows:
> >
> > Vendor: (null)
> > Bus: USB
> > Location on the bus: 0:11a
> > Description:
> > Module: unknown
> > Media class: Mass Storage|SFF-8070i
> >
> > It appears that both usb-view and MCC Hardware List are aware of its
> > existence, but don't really understand what it is.
> >
> > Sadly, I'm beaten for now.  Until someone has any more ideas, I'll
> > have to give it up.  I'm sickened about this, though.  Slow as it was,
> > the old camera plugged in under gPhoto.  I hate going back to windows
> > to get my pics, but I guess I have no choice right now.
> >
> > Anne

Thanks for this, Steve.  Yes, I've tried every combination of usb slots, mount 
-a and rebooting with everything switched on, all without success.  The 
output of usb-view and MCC Hardware List seem to imply that the camera is 
recognised as being a mass storage device, but not really sure what type, so 
that no sdx node is being formed.  Consequently I can't mount it at all.  I 
tried creating a node sdb, as someone suggested, but it doesn't help.

Anne


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Re: Fw: [newbie] The MD Alternative to W2K and MacOS9.2

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:35 am, Aurélio Diniz wrote:
> I want the same has you! To work with inDesign, Freehand and Photoshop in
> Linux.

Download the Gimp .pdf and browse it.  Gimp is a lot more powerful than you 
first think.

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Sound gone again

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 11:22 pm, David Williams wrote:

> I spoke to soon. I have most of my sound back.
>
> I have my CDs playing and game sounds in the front speakers. I have all of
> the system noises working correctly. The problem is that the back speakers
> and the Sub-woofer doesn't work again. I have tried the AUMIX and SOUND
> CONTROL settings (which is what I thought fixed it the first time).
> Any ideas that I can follow after
> David

Don't know whether it will help, but I needed the fix described on Derek's 
page

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/djennings/

It says it is to fix problems if you don't have an audio cable from your 
soundcard, but I had such a cable, and the fix was still needed.  You can't 
lose, I think, so it's worth a try.

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?)

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 12:05 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 10:39, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
> > And anyone remembering Windows 3.0, should also remember GPFs.  They
> > were the main feature of the new desktop BG ripped off from Apple's
> > Macintosh.  Too bad his developers didn't write the code for Windows 3.0
> > as well as they did the code for the Mac desktop. Also, anyone who
> > remembers Windows 3.0 probably won't use 'intuitive' in a sentence
> > describing it, eitherROFLWTIME
>
> Windows 3.0 ran really great under OS/2 and under Desqview/X - but you
> couldn't run a BBS with it - so it went in the trash. OS/2 was great -
> cuz if the progman.exe died, it was just a program to kill - same with
> any Windows program that ran separately from Windows via the
> Presentation Manager. AND, the card games were at least
> nicer...(Seahaven)...Desqview/X was cute cuz you could run the 16 MS-DOS
> term sessions for the BBS whilst doing other DOS related things...(like
> playing door-games locally or chatting w/ those online).

I remember my friendly vendor telling me that he was greatly impressed by 
OS/2, much better than windows, but that with IBM marketing OS/2 and MS 
marketing windows it didn't stand a chance.  Lessons to be learned here!

>
> > Most of the time, I just booted into DOS and let Windows 3.0 sit idle.
> > That way I could honestly say I didn't have any problems with it > grin>

I stuck with dos until I was forced into 3.1

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Re: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?)

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 8:30 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-12-25 at 03:31, ET wrote:
> >  (Quick, what MS windows release number was out in 1990?)
>
> 1.0
> (End of 8-in-1)
>
> ...then there was OS/2 and Desqview and Desqview/X and PcShell, and
> Quickmenu, Xtree, Norton Commander, DrDOS...

That brings back memories.  I didn't use windows at all in those days, but 
used to use Desqview to run two copies of my Sage accounts program, so that I 
could work in the accounting section but get quick lookups in the stock 
section.  Ah, happy days.

Anne




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Re: [newbie] Mozilla/Phoenix

2002-12-25 Thread Ralph Slooten
Just found out that dillo is now on another server, for those
interested:

http://dillo.auriga.wearlab.de/

Greetings
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Re: [newbie] linux office suite comparison?

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:57 am, Andrei Raevsky wrote:

> What does StarOffice6 offer which OpenOffice 1.0.1 cannot do?  

Not a lot.  There are a few extra modules, which I haven't explored yet, but 
look as though they are things like a quick access to label templates, etc.  
I understood that Adibas database was part of SO6, but it hasn't loaded as 
part of the install, so I'll have to explore the disks to see if it's there.

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Lindows

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 2:21 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Monday 23 December 2002 08:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 23 Dec 2022 1:09 pm, robin wrote:
> > > Richard Babcock wrote:
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > I was just surfing the Wal-Mart site and found them hawking an OS
> > > > called Lindows. Anyone know anything about this? It seems they are
> > > > working hard to convince neophytes that Windows is good but not that
> > > > good. I just don't like the approach and am disappointed in Wal-Mart
> > > > for taking it.
> > >
> > >  From what I know of Lindows, it strikes me as the worst of both
> > > worlds. I hear it automatically logs you in as root, thus blowing most
> > > of the famous Linux security and stability in one fell swoop.
> >
> > That should make windows users feel at home :)
> >
> > Anne
>
> Anne:
>
> Once they learn to get along without their daily dose of BSOD's they should
> be OK. I've heard that some of them are so badly hooked that they need them
> even more frequently. Sad, but true.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> -- cmg

I think I'm nearly over it, but you know, every once in a while I get that 
low-down feeling - I haven't had a good dose of adrenaline for ages!

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft

2002-12-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 4:51 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Monday 23 December 2002 06:11 pm, civileme wrote:
> > I have some good news and some urgent news
> >
> > 1.  I will be returning to the lists.  I will have an email address that
> > can handle list level traffic.
> >
> > 2.  All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get
> > Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level.
> >
> >>> snip
> >
> > But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight
> > and in a few months.  The short term still requires more cash than they
> > have now, to get out that next release.
> >
> >>> snip
> >
> > Still loyal to MandrakeLinux,
> >
> > Civileme
>
> Civileme:
> This is really great news. Now, if Santa leaves a bright red Ferrari in the
> drive tonight, this will be the second best Christmas ever. (None of your
> business about #1.)
>
> Question: Where is it written that Mandrake has to turn out a new release
> every six months? "We've always done it that way" and "Everyone else does
> it that way" are not acceptable responses. There was some talk this summer
> about extending the release interval and, IIRC, the response was largely
> favorable. As a boss of mine once said, "Right now we have to deal with the
> alligators that are biting us in the ass; we'll get back to draining the
> swamp later." 

Love that one!

> An added benefit to a longer development cycle is that it
> would encourage more users to participate in beta testing.

Particularly since comments have been made about the speed of new betas making 
it difficult to keep abreast.

Anne


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