Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 00:52, Rick Kunath wrote:
 This one has me stumped...

 I have a pure 10 community install with the correct 10 official
 updates because I reinstalled Mandrake after the short mistaken
 trip some of us took to Cookerville.

 I know the Mandrake updates of the last few days are on the
 mirror I am using.

 I know I don't have them already installed.

 I have the correct Mandrake 10 updates and distribution set up
 via urpmi.

 I deleted the update source several times and forced a reload by
 recreating it.

 Still, no updates appear in the MCC list.

 Any idea as to why MCC isn't working. I've never seen this issue
 through all of the Mandrake distros I ever used.

Rick, as far as I can see there is no didicated updates tree for 
MDK 10.0CE. It seems that all the updates go into main. I guess 
that's why Mandrake Update doesn't work.

Now, if you have defined main, contrib and plf, try this :

In MCC remove updates. Then, go to at root command-line and type

urpmi --auto-select

I wouldnt' be surprised if you suddenly find youself in a maelstrom 
of updates. Worked for me, but YMMV.

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Rick Kunath
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:00 am, Margot wrote:
 I kept getting emails from Mandrake about available updates, I
 finally found a working mirror, but still didn't get any updates
 through MCC, so I checked the list of updates against the list of
 packages I had installed and found that the updates were for
 packages I didn't have installed! Maybe you have the same situation?

 MCC 'Update' only gives you updates for packages where you've got an
 out-of-date version installed. If you decide later that you do need
 these packages, go to 'Install' rather than 'Update' in MCC and you
 can then download the newest version from the updates mirror.

 Margot


I thought the same thing too, but I did a check of one of the packages, 
xine-ui of yesterday. I have an old version of the package installed. The new 
version is on the updates mirror I have configured. I have the updates mirror 
configured correctly using the --update switch of urpmi, so it is actually 
recognized as an updates mirror. The path of the mirror is correct. If I 
enter xine into the search box of the update utility of MCC after it has run, 
showing nothing, the updated xine package appears in the package list, as I 
expected it to with the update check. But it won't appear during an update 
check, nor do any of the other packages that should.

I am beginning to think that Mandrake Update is broken on 10? 

Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 updated just fine on several other of my boxes after I 
corrected the mirror info. No such luck on 10.

There isn't any reason I can think of that the updates shouldn't show up in 
Mandrake Update. 

This one has me stumped.

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 14:02, Rick Kunath wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:00 am, Margot wrote:
  I kept getting emails from Mandrake about available updates, I
  finally found a working mirror, but still didn't get any
  updates through MCC, so I checked the list of updates against
  the list of packages I had installed and found that the updates
  were for packages I didn't have installed! Maybe you have the
  same situation?
 
  MCC 'Update' only gives you updates for packages where you've
  got an out-of-date version installed. If you decide later that
  you do need these packages, go to 'Install' rather than
  'Update' in MCC and you can then download the newest version
  from the updates mirror.
 
  Margot

 I thought the same thing too, but I did a check of one of the
 packages, xine-ui of yesterday. I have an old version of the
 package installed. The new version is on the updates mirror I
 have configured. I have the updates mirror configured correctly
 using the --update switch of urpmi, so it is actually recognized
 as an updates mirror. The path of the mirror is correct. If I
 enter xine into the search box of the update utility of MCC after
 it has run, showing nothing, the updated xine package appears in
 the package list, as I expected it to with the update check. But
 it won't appear during an update check, nor do any of the other
 packages that should.

 I am beginning to think that Mandrake Update is broken on 10?

 Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 updated just fine on several other of my
 boxes after I corrected the mirror info. No such luck on 10.

 There isn't any reason I can think of that the updates shouldn't
 show up in Mandrake Update.

 This one has me stumped.

Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ?

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Rick Kunath
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:


 Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ?


Yes.

Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to 
what it wanted to install, package wise.

I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my 
inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards.

I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update. 

Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed updates? 
I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything.

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 14:55, Rick Kunath wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
  Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ?

 Yes.

 Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no
 idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise.

 I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated
 after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the
 reinstall afterwards.

 I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake
 Update.

 Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's
 proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to
 discover anything.

When I did urpmi --auto-select it showed me about 120 rpms and asked 
if I wanted to proceed. Like you, I was a little confused, so I 
compared the list to what I actually had installed on my system, 
and - lo and behold - all the proposed packages were of a newer 
version. So, I entered Y, and about ½ an hour later everything 
was up to date. I even compared the new rpms to the ones in the 
official updates tree, and you know what ? - Mine were newer.

I think it's safe to conclude, that there are no updates to CE, 
but main, contrib and plf gets updated as time goes by.

Who knows ?

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[newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Hi all,
I'm using Mdk 10.0 and I have a USB2 drive which is detected ok by
hotplug (/etc/fstab gets updated when I plug the drive), but I still
have to mount /mnt/removable to have it mounted.
Is there a way to have it automatically mounted?
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Re: [newbie] Help! I Killed Samba

2004-04-21 Thread Amichai Rotman
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 11:12, shaz wrote:
 Hi all

 Up until recently my system has been running fine.

 Then I had a power cut :(

 Now.

 I have two computers. 1 mandrake 9.1 and 1 winxp.

 linux connected to dialup modem. winxp thru network to linux.

 this is the situation after power cut.

 XP cannot ping itself (127.0.0.1) and cannot ping linux.
 linux cannot ping itself and cannot ping xp.

 linux = 192.168.0.2
 xp = 192.168.0.1

 static ip

 linux cannot see xp in linneighbourhood. linux cannot see itself in
 linneighbourhood. linux cannot access any xp hard drives.

 xp CAN see linux in windows explorer. but EXTREMELY slow exploring
 xp can see itself in windows explorer.
 xp CAN access linux hard drives.

 and xp has no problems connecting to internet thru linux.

 any ideas? any files i need to find and copy/paste to here?

 TIA

 Shaz

Sounds like your TCP/IP is corrupt. Try removing, rebooting and re-insatlling 
the XP Network settings (Remove all protocols) then re-run DrakConnect to 
reset the network settings on the LinuxBox. 

I would switch the IP #s between them. IMHO, Linux should be 192.168.0.1...

Good Luck,
 
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Re: [newbie] Evolution crashes while adding signature

2004-04-21 Thread Paul
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 23:27, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

 If that doesn't work, you might want to update/upgrade GTKHTML and the
 other associated libs; you can use Ximian's Red-Carpet to update Evo and
 the libs without a hassle/problem. Also, you might want to just
 completely upgrade Evo to the current standard for MDK 9.1 which is
 1.4.4 = runs alot more smoothly and faster...

Hi again Stephen,

I downloaded red-carpet and ran it. It tells me the whole system
regarding evolution-stuff is up to date.

I then backed up the ~/.gconf and ~/evolution directories. Rename both
the ~/.gconf/mail/evolution subdirectory and ~/evolution. Ran evo. It
started up clear, but the accounts were still in there?? Tried creating
a signature and things crashed again. What could yet another place be to
look at? Does anyone have a clue? This is getting interesting...

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[newbie] Question about remote access

2004-04-21 Thread Ian MacGregor
I have a question concerning remote access and iptables.
I have installed Mandrake 10.0 Community on a PII 450Mhz. with 256Mb RAM.
I have tweaked all the settings in Mandrake Control Center, but I know nothing 
about iptables.

I have assigned the following to the su and login commands:
owner: root
group: wheel
PERMISSIONS:
owner: read, write, execute, setuid
group: read, write, execute
others: forbidden
And, I have added myself (the only user) to the wheel group.
I have, and use, rkhunter.

Even if someone had remote access to my system, they would not be able to call 
the su or login commands.

I tried to telnet myself in a konsole session and got a reply telling me 
connection refused. I tried to ping myself and got 6 packets transmitted, 
0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4999ms

It seems that my box would be invisible to anyone trying to ping me and 
unavailable to anyone trying to telnet me.
Is this sufficient? Or, must I learn how to deal with iptables?

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[newbie] Knotify and Soundcard

2004-04-21 Thread James Hill

An interesting one this

I finally found the route to a stable(ish) 10 community, buy installing 9.2 
and upgrading, as opposed to a clean install of 10.

I've always had some driver issues with the soundcard (C Media CM8738), but 
nothing that was not easily sorted. Until today.

Boot up, and you get the nice little KDE tune as KDE starts. Play a few MP3's 
with XMMS, and you get to hear music.

Until after a while. Then, try to use the soundcard, and the error message 
pops up, saying that the soundcard is either not configured properly, or 
another program is blocking the soundcard.

A quick look at ksysguard process table, revealed 7 instances of knotify 
running. Killed them all, and the sound is back again.

Any ideas how to to either disable knotify, or configure it so that when it 
has notified, it exits? as for some reason it cant be killing itself, and 
thus is hogging the soundcard.

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Question about remote access

2004-04-21 Thread Paul
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:05, Ian MacGregor wrote:
 I tried to telnet myself in a konsole session and got a reply telling me 
 connection refused. I tried to ping myself and got 6 packets transmitted, 
 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4999ms
 
 It seems that my box would be invisible to anyone trying to ping me and 
 unavailable to anyone trying to telnet me.
 Is this sufficient? Or, must I learn how to deal with iptables?

I'd have a look at the IPaddress your machine has when connected to the
net, send that to a good friend and see if (s)he can ping you. That
would be a better test imho.
If you are hesitant about IPtables, there are helpful scripts, like
EasyTables, QuickTables etc, that do a great job in helping you set up a
good firewall.

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Re: [newbie] Question about remote access

2004-04-21 Thread Ian MacGregor
Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who knows how to ping :(

On Wednesday 21 April 2004 8:21 am, Paul wrote:
 On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:05, Ian MacGregor wrote:
  I tried to telnet myself in a konsole session and got a reply telling me
  connection refused. I tried to ping myself and got 6 packets
  transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4999ms
 
  It seems that my box would be invisible to anyone trying to ping me and
  unavailable to anyone trying to telnet me.
  Is this sufficient? Or, must I learn how to deal with iptables?

 I'd have a look at the IPaddress your machine has when connected to the
 net, send that to a good friend and see if (s)he can ping you. That
 would be a better test imho.
 If you are hesitant about IPtables, there are helpful scripts, like
 EasyTables, QuickTables etc, that do a great job in helping you set up a
 good firewall.

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 13:55, Rick Kunath wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
  Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ?

 Yes.

 Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no idea as to
 what it wanted to install, package wise.

 I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting updated after my
 inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago, and the reinstall afterwards.

 I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake Update.

 Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's proposed
 updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to discover anything.

 Rick

urpmi --update --auto-select --auto
installs without showing a list

urpmi --update --auto-select
shows you a list of proposed updates and asks for confirmation.

Mandrake Software Install GUI has a filter on 'Update Availability' so you can 
browse the descriptions before deciding to install updates.

Mandrake Update GUI similarly shows a list of updates

mdkonline  will pull up mdkupdate when you select 'Install Updates', and will 
then show a list.

How many more ways do you need?

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Re: [newbie] Question about remote access

2004-04-21 Thread Paul
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:27, Ian MacGregor wrote:
 Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who knows how to ping :(

Hmmm. Not sure if you could see me as a good friend, but I do ping once
in a while.
You can send me your IP through private mail, I could check for you.

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Re: [newbie] Question about remote access

2004-04-21 Thread Ian MacGregor
I just sent you some info.
thanks for volunteering.

On Wednesday 21 April 2004 8:36 am, Paul wrote:
 On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:27, Ian MacGregor wrote:
  Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who knows how to ping :(

 Hmmm. Not sure if you could see me as a good friend, but I do ping once
 in a while.
 You can send me your IP through private mail, I could check for you.

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 17:32, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 13:55, Rick Kunath wrote:
  On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:28 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
   Me too. Have you tried (as root) : urpmi --auto-select ?
 
  Yes.
 
  Urpmi wanted to do an update, but I aborted it because I had no
  idea as to what it wanted to install, package wise.
 
  I am still a bit leery about not knowing what is getting
  updated after my inadvertent trip to Cooker a few weeks ago,
  and the reinstall afterwards.
 
  I have a feeling that urpmi may be working, but not Mandrake
  Update.
 
  Any idea as to how to force urpmi to display a list of it's
  proposed updates? I did a lot of Googling, but couldn't seem to
  discover anything.
 
  Rick

 urpmi --update --auto-select --auto
 installs without showing a list

 urpmi --update --auto-select
 shows you a list of proposed updates and asks for confirmation.

 Mandrake Software Install GUI has a filter on 'Update
 Availability' so you can browse the descriptions before deciding
 to install updates.

 Mandrake Update GUI similarly shows a list of updates

 mdkonline  will pull up mdkupdate when you select 'Install
 Updates', and will then show a list.

 How many more ways do you need?

 derek

Derek, I think the confusion stems from the re-arranged mirrors.
When launching Mandrake Update, nothing happens although there are 
tons of upgrades to 10.0CE. A closer look reveils that the original 
sources in Mandrake Update are out of date. Furthermore, when 
browsing the updated mirrors, i.e. proxad, the are a multitude of 
Mandrake trees. In the devel-branch, however, no updates are 
anywhere to be found. But in the official tree, there is the 
usual updates tree for all, recent versions.

My guess is, that for official the GUI Update works, but it 
certainly doesn't in CE. Hence this long thread.

Your above mentioned CLI options do, luckily.

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[newbie] Knotify and Souncard issue......

2004-04-21 Thread JRH
An interesting one this

I finally found the route to a stable(ish) 10 community, buy installing 9.2 
and upgrading, as opposed to a clean install of 10.

I've always had some driver issues with the soundcard (C Media CM8738), but 
nothing that was not easily sorted. Until today.

Boot up, and you get the nice little KDE tune as KDE starts. Play a few MP3's 
with XMMS, and you get to hear music.

Until after a while. Then, try to use the soundcard, and the error message 
pops up, saying that the soundcard is either not configured properly, or 
another program is blocking the soundcard.

A quick look at ksysguard process table, revealed 7 instances of knotify 
running. Killed them all, and the sound is back again.

Any ideas how to to either disable knotify, or configure it so that when it 
has notified, it exits? as for some reason it cant be killing itself, and 
thus is hogging the soundcard.

Thanks,

JRH

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Re: [newbie] 10 Updates not showing?

2004-04-21 Thread Ronald
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Op woensdag 21 april 2004 00:52, schreef Rick Kunath:
 This one has me stumped...

 I have a pure 10 community install with the correct 10 official updates
 because I reinstalled Mandrake after the short mistaken trip some of us
 took to Cookerville.

 I know the Mandrake updates of the last few days are on the mirror I am
 using.

 I know I don't have them already installed.

 I have the correct Mandrake 10 updates and distribution set up via urpmi.

 I deleted the update source several times and forced a reload by recreating
 it.

 Still, no updates appear in the MCC list.

 Any idea as to why MCC isn't working. I've never seen this issue through
 all of the Mandrake distros I ever used.

 Rick Kunath

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Re: [newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Ian Urie
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 14:06, Alexandre Aractingi wrote:
 Hi all,
 I'm using Mdk 10.0 and I have a USB2 drive which is detected ok by
 hotplug (/etc/fstab gets updated when I plug the drive), but I still
 have to mount /mnt/removable to have it mounted.
 Is there a way to have it automatically mounted?
 Thanks,
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[newbie] Knotify and Soundcards......

2004-04-21 Thread JRH
An interesting one this

I finally found the route to a stable(ish) 10 community, buy installing 9.2 
and upgrading, as opposed to a clean install of 10.

I've always had some driver issues with the soundcard (C Media CM8738), but 
nothing that was not easily sorted. Until today.

Boot up, and you get the nice little KDE tune as KDE starts. Play a few MP3's 
with XMMS, and you get to hear music.

Until after a while. Then, try to use the soundcard, and the error message 
pops up, saying that the soundcard is either not configured properly, or 
another program is blocking the soundcard.

A quick look at ksysguard process table, revealed 7 instances of knotify 
running. Killed them all, and the sound is back again.

Any ideas how to to either disable knotify, or configure it so that when it 
has notified, it exits? as for some reason it cant be killing itself, and 
thus is hogging the soundcard.

Thanks,

JRH
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Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree

2004-04-21 Thread Todd Slater
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 02:34:19PM +0800, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
 How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the permissions and 
 time stamps preserved?
 
 I tried:
 1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the stuff 
 gets big; AND
 2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with 
 sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT preserved.
 
 Is there a much simpler way to do this?

Would rsync work?

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[newbie] Updating: ftp vs. http

2004-04-21 Thread Travis Crook
Hi all,
I am trying to add sources via urpmi.  When I try and add a source that
is ftp it times out - no matter which one I use.  When I try a source
that is http, it connects no problem and adds the source.  Any ideas as
to why?  I am behind a firewall but haven't seen ftp problems using an
ftp program.

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[newbie] Official ATI drivers in 10.0

2004-04-21 Thread Karl Ove Hufthammer
I see I have access to official ATI drivers from
http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/, but how do I get them to work (with my
Radeon)?

I have downloaded and installed

ATI_GLX-3.7.6-2mdk.i586.rpm
ATI_GLX-utils-3.7.0-2mdk.i586.rpm
ATI_kernel-2.6.3.7mdk-3.7.6-2mdk.i586.rpm

and was told to run XFdrake. I did, but what driver should I choose (none
seems to have any effect on 3D performance)? Is there something else I'm
missing?

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[newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
On April 21, 2004 11:27, Ian Urie wrote:
...
 In KDE...go to behaviour , tick the mounted hard drive partition.

I take it you mean System - Configuration - KDE - LookNFeel - Behavior

I was trying this out (I'm having usb problems too), and noticed the option to 
show icons for unmounted drives. Decided to check it out (when the icons only 
appear on mount, they seem to appear in random screen locations, not lined 
up with the other icons, which is kinda ugly; call me neurotic, but I like to 
keep my desktop neat).

So then I got curious what happens when I double click an icon for an umounted 
drive. Guess what? It mounts it, even if there's nothing in it (I tried it 
with my cdrom drive empty). 

So then I unmounted, and it hung my system solid - mouse, keyboard, everything 
frozen! Had to hit the reset button. After it rebooted, it had shifted my 
display an inch to the right and a half inch up (had to use the menu built 
into my monitor to reposition), and randomly repositioned all my desktop 
icons. Nasty!

BTW, I'm on 10.0 CE download, with no updates (cuz in 6 weeks, I haven't 
gotten MU or urpmi to work once; always dies on a curl error).

Is there a Mandrake equivalent to Ctrl-Alt-Del, which on Windoze 2K usually at 
least allows me to gain enough control to do a clean shutdown (I'm not a 
Windoze fan, my employer makes me use it, I just like to have that particular 
feature available).

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Re: [newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:40, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:

snip
 Is there a Mandrake equivalent to Ctrl-Alt-Del, which on Windoze
 2K usually at least allows me to gain enough control to do a
 clean shutdown (I'm not a Windoze fan, my employer makes me use
 it, I just like to have that particular feature available).
/snip

Depending on your setting in /etc/inittab the Windows-salute 
should initiate a clean shutdown or reboot. But, honestly, this is 
hardly ever needed in linux.

In case of a hanging application (in KDE) you
can hit Ctrl + Alt + Esc then move your cursor (now a skull) to 
the offending application and left-click. That's a kill.

In case of a hanging GUI (X-server), you can hit Ctrl + Alt + 
Backspace. This kills X and gets you to a new login.

In case of nothing (exept the keyboard) working, and right before 
you consider a hard reset, you have to play a little piano-sonata :

Alt + SysRq + r + s + e + i + u + b

(Mnemotech : Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring)

This sequence performs a clean reboot, including sync.

HTH
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Re: [newbie] trying xfce4 - help

2004-04-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 5:20 am, Carl J. Bauman wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can run anything you like from within XFCE, the right-click menu
  should be the same as your KDE or Gnome menus

 Hi Joe,

 I didn't find this to be true in my case.  I'm running Mandrake 10.0
 and, since I was having trouble with urpmi in general at the time, I
 installed xfce4 from sources.  Is there a way to add my KDE menus to
 the desktop menu, short of manually adding everything to menu.xml?  I
 didn't see anything mentioned in the online manual.

If you install from Charles' source the Mandrake menu appears as on 
entry in the right click menu. You'll have to ask him how he did it 
though if you want to stick with the compiled version.

My best tip: load the command line applet and add it to the panel. 
You'll soon wonder how you survived without it.

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Re: [newbie] wc

2004-04-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 5:51 am, JoeHill wrote:
 Just saw this on the Procmail Tips page and it has me all excited:

 see 'man wc'

 ...haven't the faintest idea what to use it for yet, but I haven't
 been this horned up about a command line tool since I discovered
 'grep' :-D

On a distant list, far away...
Someone asked if Ethereal had the functionality of Sniffer (the 
commercial equivalent) to draw a picture of the communications between 
machines. It only took me an hour and a half to write a command line 
script that accepted a network capture file and produced a picture 
(gif, postscript or what-have-you) that showed conversations between 
machines as lines between labelled boxes. Then someone else pointed out 
that two sed invocations and a tr could be replaced by a simple awk 
script. I love Linux.

To blow your mind: man awk

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Re: [newbie] Updating: ftp vs. http

2004-04-21 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 02:22 pm, Travis Crook wrote:
 Hi all,
   I am trying to add sources via urpmi.  When I try and add a source that
 is ftp it times out - no matter which one I use.  When I try a source
 that is http, it connects no problem and adds the source.  Any ideas as
 to why?  I am behind a firewall but haven't seen ftp problems using an
 ftp program.

Most mirrors allow a certian number of connections from ftp and http clients.  
You probably found a mirror that was full-up on it's ftp connections but had 
some available http connections.
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Re: [newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Le mer 21/04/2004 à 19:27, Ian Urie a écrit :
 In KDE...go to behaviour , tick the mounted hard drive partition.

Hi, thanks for the tip. Actually this was already ticked, I also ticked
unmounted hard drive partition and it appeared when I plugged my USB
device, so it's kinda working.

But I don't use KDE that often (XFCE4 is my desktop), and there is no
desktop icons. Would there be a way to tell the system to mount the
drives as soon as they are created by hotplug? Then it shouldn't be
configured at the desktop level...

Again, thanks for your help,

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Re: [newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 21 Apr 2004 9:24 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 In case of nothing (exept the keyboard) working, and right before
 you consider a hard reset, you have to play a little piano-sonata :

 Alt + SysRq + r + s + e + i + u + b

 (Mnemotech : Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring)

 This sequence performs a clean reboot, including sync.

There are one or two people who have recently said they had no option 
but a hard reset. I would say it was absolutely vital to do this 
sequence, even if you think the keyboard is dead.

I would suggest that Raising Skinny Elephants Is Sometimes Utterly 
'Orrible, because

It's probably a good idea to sync after killing all the tasks.

A soft reboot doesn't send a bus reset to the peripherals, so it might 
leave them in a bad state. Given the choice it's better to switch the 
machine off.

But either version is a lot better than nothing.

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Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree

2004-04-21 Thread Arys P. Deloso
Noong Thursday 22 April 2004 01:20, isinulat ni Todd Slater:
 On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 02:34:19PM +0800, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
  How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the
  permissions and time stamps preserved?
 
  I tried:
  1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the
  stuff gets big; AND
  2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with
  sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT
  preserved.
 
  Is there a much simpler way to do this?

 Would rsync work?

I get overwhelmed by rsync array of options. What are the most common 
options used with rsync?

I tried using mirrordir and it seems to working fine (except for a 
really big file). I am working on it now.

Thanks Guys! :-)


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Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree

2004-04-21 Thread Floyd Hagen
How about wget?

from man wget:


   -m
   --mirror
   Turn on options suitable for mirroring.  This option turns on
   recursion and time-stamping, sets infinite recursion depth
   and keeps FTP directory listings.  It is currently equivalent to
   -r -N -l inf -nr.



On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
 Noong Thursday 22 April 2004 01:20, isinulat ni Todd Slater:
  On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 02:34:19PM +0800, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
   How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the
   permissions and time stamps preserved?
  
   I tried:
   1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the
   stuff gets big; AND
   2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with
   sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT
   preserved.
  
   Is there a much simpler way to do this?
 
  Would rsync work?
 
 I get overwhelmed by rsync array of options. What are the most common 
 options used with rsync?
 
 I tried using mirrordir and it seems to working fine (except for a 
 really big file). I am working on it now.
 
 Thanks Guys! :-)
 


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Re: [newbie] Automatically mount a USB drive

2004-04-21 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
On April 21, 2004 14:24, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:40, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:

 snip

  Is there a Mandrake equivalent to Ctrl-Alt-Del, which on Windoze
  2K usually at least allows me to gain enough control to do a
  clean shutdown (I'm not a Windoze fan, my employer makes me use
  it, I just like to have that particular feature available).

 /snip

 Depending on your setting in /etc/inittab the Windows-salute
 should initiate a clean shutdown or reboot. But, honestly, this is
 hardly ever needed in linux.

I haven't touched my inittab, just whatever 10.0 CE has by default. I see 
these lines in there:

# Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now

Looks like what you're talking about. But I tried it before (out of habit), 
and it did nothing. Just tried it again, and all it did was log me out.


 In case of a hanging application (in KDE) you
 can hit Ctrl + Alt + Esc then move your cursor (now a skull) to
 the offending application and left-click. That's a kill.

Sweet.

 In case of a hanging GUI (X-server), you can hit Ctrl + Alt +
 Backspace. This kills X and gets you to a new login.

 In case of nothing (exept the keyboard) working, and right before
 you consider a hard reset, you have to play a little piano-sonata :

 Alt + SysRq + r + s + e + i + u + b

 (Mnemotech : Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring)

 This sequence performs a clean reboot, including sync.

Interesting. I thought I saw the alt+sysrq somewhere. It didn't do 
anything for me. I didn't know the rest of the incantation.

 HTH
 Kaj Haulrich.

Problem is I won't remember these the rare times I need them (I'm kind of like 
Dory in Finding Nemo). I could just hold down ctrl and alt and hammer 
randomly on the keyboard :^). I suppose I should write it down.

Anyway, thanks for the tips.

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[newbie] Trying to get usb cd burner working

2004-04-21 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
Sent this yesterday, but it seems that I didn't respond to the confirmation 
soon enough,  so it was never distributed...

And to update a bit:

1. I discovered that the harddrake and hotplug services were not set to start 
at boot, so I manually started them, and set them to start at boot.

2. lspcidrake -v still gives me the same result, even after a  reboot (due to 
the hang I mentioned earlier today). Is there some table I have to update or 
something to get the device to be recognized from the id?

3. There's no /etc/fstabs entry for this device. Do I need to add one 
manually, or should hotplug do this for me? How do I  know what device this 
would be in /dev?

Anything else I should be looking at?

Ron


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Subject: Trying to get usb cd burner working
Date: April 20, 2004 17:43
From: Ron Hunter-Duvar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get my clunky old Micro Solutions Backpack CD Rewriter running
under 10.0 CE on my clunky old Dell Dimension XPS R400 desktop (so that I can
backup my personal files before upgrading to 10.0 Official).

I've installed the driver RPM available from
http://www.micro-solutions.com/software_library/linux/index3.html
(thanks Micro Solutions for providing a Linux driver).

Now what? The device shows up as Unknown/Others in the Hardware - Hardware
section of MCC, with the following details:

  Vendor: (null)
  Bus: USB
  Description:
  Module: unknown
  Media class:

lspcidrake -v gives me the following line:

  unknown : unknown (0ac9///)

I know this is the right line, because it disappears if I unplug the burner.
On http://www.linux-usb.org/ I see the following in the list of Linux USB
devices:

0ac9  Micro Solutions, Inc.
  BackPack CD-ReWriter

It says somewhere else on this site that this device has been supported since
2002. I'm seeing the right device id. So why doesn't it recognize the device?

Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I'm a total newbie to Linux - Mandrake 10.0 CE download is my first
 Linux install, and it'll be 6 weeks tomorrow. I am a techie though, and have
 some Solaris sys admin experience more years ago than I care to admit. So I
 can track down a problem when I have to, but I prefer when things just work.

So far Mandrake is great. I had to disable power management to keep it from
making my display all wonky (black and white horizontal stripes, jailbird
style), and I still can't get my sound working. But I'm waiting to see if
Official fixes that. Oh, and I've yet to get a successful update from
Mandrake too. Otherwise, it's been smooth sailing, other than the inevitable
learning curve. I can tell you that it's easier to administer than the NT 4.0
that it replaced (good riddance!). Been meaning to take this plunge for a
while, but couldn't find the time (thanks in part to the Microscum
treadmill). Anyway, enough babble.

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Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree

2004-04-21 Thread Todd Slater
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:10:27AM +0800, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
 Noong Thursday 22 April 2004 01:20, isinulat ni Todd Slater:
  On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 02:34:19PM +0800, Arys P. Deloso wrote:
   How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the
   permissions and time stamps preserved?
  
   I tried:
   1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the
   stuff gets big; AND
   2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with
   sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT
   preserved.
  
   Is there a much simpler way to do this?
 
  Would rsync work?
 
 I get overwhelmed by rsync array of options. What are the most common 
 options used with rsync?
 
 I tried using mirrordir and it seems to working fine (except for a 
 really big file). I am working on it now.
 
 Thanks Guys! :-)

If you use --archive I think it uses sensible options to preserve dates,
owner, group, permissions, recurses, etc.

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[newbie] Legends

2004-04-21 Thread Miark
I was excited to try a Tribes-type game called Legend:

http://hosted.tribalwar.com/legends/

but the fonts used in the in-game menus are so screwed up that I
can't configure it. No mention of this in their FAQ or forums. 
Any ideas?

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[newbie] chmod directory and file?

2004-04-21 Thread Fajar Priyanto
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Hi all,
I found out that some directories and files that I copied from windows have 
777 in permission.

I tried to chmod -R 644 /directoryname, all files were correctly set into 644, 
but then all directories were also set into 644. I understand that directory 
must be set into 755? So, how do I set all files to 644 while also setting 
the directories into 755? 

I tried man chmod, but the only seemed related options was -R which gave me 
the wrong result.
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Re: [newbie] Evolution crashes while adding signature

2004-04-21 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 00:57, Paul wrote:
 On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 23:27, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 
  If that doesn't work, you might want to update/upgrade GTKHTML and the
  other associated libs; you can use Ximian's Red-Carpet to update Evo and
  the libs without a hassle/problem. Also, you might want to just
  completely upgrade Evo to the current standard for MDK 9.1 which is
  1.4.4 = runs alot more smoothly and faster...
 
 Hi again Stephen,
 
 I downloaded red-carpet and ran it. It tells me the whole system
 regarding evolution-stuff is up to date.
 
 I then backed up the ~/.gconf and ~/evolution directories. Rename both
 the ~/.gconf/mail/evolution subdirectory and ~/evolution. Ran evo. It
 started up clear, but the accounts were still in there?? Tried creating
 a signature and things crashed again. What could yet another place be to
 look at? Does anyone have a clue? This is getting interesting...
 
 Paul

Now ya got me stumped - but you might want to get on the mailing list
for Evo and ask there - they're wizards in that group.

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Re: [newbie] trying xfce4 - help

2004-04-21 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 07:08, Richard Urwin wrote:

 If you install from Charles' source the Mandrake menu appears as on 
 entry in the right click menu. You'll have to ask him how he did it 
 though if you want to stick with the compiled version.
 
 My best tip: load the command line applet and add it to the panel. 
 You'll soon wonder how you survived without it.

MenuMaker-0.17

Find it at SourceForge.net

Very simple to setup.

Else you can manually edit the /usr/local/etc/xfce4/menu.xml

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Re: [newbie] Evolution crashes while adding signature

2004-04-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 06:43, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

 Now ya got me stumped - but you might want to get on the mailing list
 for Evo and ask there - they're wizards in that group.

Okay, I'll do that. Thanks for the help and the tips!!

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Re: [newbie] chmod directory and file?

2004-04-21 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
On April 21, 2004 15:01, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 Hi all,
 I found out that some directories and files that I copied from windows have
 777 in permission.

 I tried to chmod -R 644 /directoryname, all files were correctly set into
 644, but then all directories were also set into 644. I understand that
 directory must be set into 755? So, how do I set all files to 644 while
 also setting the directories into 755?

 I tried man chmod, but the only seemed related options was -R which gave me
 the wrong result.
 TIA,

That's something I always thought was a deficiency of the chmod command in 
Unix, thatthere's no easy way to do this. They seemed to have propagated this 
deficiency to Linux. Should be an option that goes with -R, but there isn't.

There's an incantation with the find command that can do this. I can never 
remember it exactly, but it's in the man pages. Something like this:

  find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;

where the . indicates the current directory. Put any other path there if 
you're not in the directory where you want to do this. I might not have the 
syntax exactly correct (could be you need a \ before the {} too).

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Re: [newbie] Re: Mozilla fonts

2004-04-21 Thread Miroslav Skoric
John Richard Smith wrote:


Now I am not saying that the problem you are experiencing is due to this 
ongoing problem, but it may be, If you cannot get true trype fonts to 
work now maybe the problem is that they have fixed the ghostscript to 
work with the new fonts and in doing so messed up the others, I don't 
know, but in the back of my mind is a feeling that we are going to have 
trouble with fonts from now on.
Maybe that might be the case. I remember that long ago with Red Hat 6.1 
(6.2 or like) I had the similar problem but in the opposite direction. 
Those distros came with Netscape and I wanted to add some Mozilla to try 
it. You bet, although the 'original' Netscape looked fine on the screen, 
the new added Mozilla was capable to execute and run - but looked ugly.

Certainly betweenM9.0 and  M9.1 my printer had enormous trouble printing 
almost every font in kde properly, 
Haven't tested printing yet (at least seems that KDE's initial printer 
setup test was ok, as long as I remember now). Will check about.

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[newbie] Re: Mozilla fonts

2004-04-21 Thread Miroslav Skoric
Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:


On windoze 2k (forced to use it by my employer), I installed mozilla, then 
later netscape (can't remember why I needed netscape). Netscape stomped all 
over my mozilla settings. Trashed my bookmarks and everything (it grabbed the 
existing profile without asking me). I was quite upset. Don't know if this is 
related to your problem, but netscape does not cooperate well with mozilla on 
the same machine.
Haven't tested them both on Windows yet. What is suggested by setup 
manuals is that Netscape 6/7 and Mozilla should NOT share users' 
profiles. But I think that is true only when you try to activate both of 
software in the very same time (i.e. the other while the first is 
running). Seems that the first program started somehow 'lock' the 
profile and the other program reports that a specific profile can't be 
used. I find that resonable and, btw there's no logic to handle incoming 
email with two mailers in the same time, is it?

The other problem might be with the OS. In fact, either Netscape 7.1 and 
Mozilla 1.6 use different folder paths to be installed under Linux (per 
default), so if you follow those paths there is low chance to screw up 
things. In the same time, user's profile(s) shouldn't be changed because 
they're located in *separate* user's homes. So I don't see reasons 
something like that to be a problem.

Maybe, on Windows installations they *share* a part of 'Program Files' 
path and that could be a problem.

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[newbie] Re: Mozilla fonts

2004-04-21 Thread Miroslav Skoric
JoeHill wrote:


Nothing, just an a suggestion *if you wanted the TrueType fonts*. 
 
Does it mean that the 'original' Mozilla that comes with Mdk 9.1 does 
not use TrueType fonts? It looks just fine.

Anyway, tnx for suggestion.

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