Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
- Original Message - From: Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. I know that this is probably not the right mailing list, but for those of you still dealing with XP, 2000, et al who need to do an installation but don't want to make the box vulnerable by attaching to the net to get updates, take a look at this site: http://www.autopatcher.com/ You can download the entire set of MS updates, burn to a CD and install everything prior to connecting to the net the first time. Added benefit, in most cases, you don't have to reboot the box interminable numbers of times to get the updates installed, simply run, check off the updates you want and click install, sit back for about 40-60 minutes while it runs and then reboot once. If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. -- Bryan Phinney That's exactly what I spent three days preaching at hin to do Bryan. I had already downloaded SP2 to CD-RW for him before I found out about the gotchas included in that. That, Zone Alarm, AVG and TweakUI were all he needed to be safe enough to work with for the time it takes to go through any further required updates, but like 99% of the Windows users I've encountered in the past 12 years he doesn't have the patience. Hell i even threw in a copy of The Cleaner. Maybe that's why i called him a dork and charged him _way_ too much for being there? g Please excuse this weird looking message, if it is. I'm stuck on the web interface because the last update to cooker did strange things to the system. Or maybe it's all PEBCAK? lol Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MP3U files (stupid newbie question-so shoot me
On July 8, 2004 11:44 pm, Aron Smith wrote: 1. what is a MP3u file ? I know it is necessary for the mp3 player in my truck to read the disk How do I generate the file as i have a couple of gigs of mp3s with no mp3u files? Yeah, right Aron. How many times do I have to tell you; the stupid questions are the ones you _don't_ ask! m3u is a stream or playlist designator. mp3u is a site that doesn't seem to have a very good reputation from what I gather at Google: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=file+extensions%3B+meaningbtnG=Searchmeta= For confising file extensions try webopedia: http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/fileextensionsm.asp Of course there's a lot more at the site that just that. g Regards; Charlie -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.4-1.tmb.6mdk 00:15:21 up 2:46, 0 users, load average: 0.26, 0.11, 0.07 Bushydo -- the way of the shrub. Bonsai! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] More on Sympatico Microsoft.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 8, 2004 12:37 pm, Lanman wrote: Looks like existing Sympatico customers DID receive advance notice about this, but did not receive a choice in the matter. Still, there's no news about the fact that their email system is being moved to Microsoft. Hmmm. http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcategory_id=60content_id=2109 The plot thickens? Lanman Don't you mean The plot _sickens_? All I'd want to know from Sympatico on this subject would be an answer to: Why the devil do you think I would want you to share any data about me, of any kind, with a third party. Especially if that third party is a corporation like Microsoft? I wonder if they'd even *try* to answer. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.4-1.tmb.6mdk 12:51:21 up 2:52, 0 users, load average: 0.30, 0.22, 0.18 Gordon's first law: If a research project is not worth doing, it is not worth doing well. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA7ZkhZqvqlrLPr5YRAjsIAJ0SoH1mymYlvwv0rLc3b6M9fiiw3wCfT87k vmh6cAmL5jfBTmT7a0iaBtA= =1xs6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] More on Sympatico Microsoft.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 8, 2004 01:46 pm, Lanman wrote: chop Actually Charlie; They HAVE to answer. I filed a complaint with the CRTC, which was forwarded to Sympatico. They have 30 days to respond, and when they do, it will come to me and will be sent to the CRTC as well, who will then have a review panel take a look at my complaint and Sympatico's response and then we'll see what happens. I intend to keep the list up to speed on whatever I hear about it. If it goes well, then I come back here and ask all interested parties to submit a complaint as well, so that the CRTC spends all their time dealing with this issue! Finally, my tax dollars at work! Lanman Let's hope the work the tax dollars do is better than the performance I've observed in the past. )-: Thanks for staying on top of the situattion. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.4-1.tmb.6mdk 14:04:13 up 4:05, 0 users, load average: 0.33, 0.11, 0.05 Kissing your hand may make you feel very good, but a diamond and sapphire bracelet lasts for ever. -- Anita Loos, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA7alVZqvqlrLPr5YRAjB+AJoD+iF9hRUhIrxehtUyCI35cK9rJwCgms3H ZNpY3QUONXyb2RYOmEYN5UI= =2b6i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 7, 2004 06:21 pm, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: Dear sir, When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the steps to get the problem fixed Can one of you guys show me the steps. thanks, Gregory Follow the bouncing drivers at this link: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html Pick the correct driver for the machine architecture in question, click the appropriate link there, and follow the installation instructions. Remember, IA32 includes AMD processors except the AMD64 versions. There are drivers there for those as well. Download the Text Version instructions as well, then you can print them out for yourself. Good luck; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.4-1.tmb.6mdk 23:42:00 up 2:13, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08 Give all orders verbally. Never write anything down that might go into a Pearl Harbor File. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA7OBDZqvqlrLPr5YRAnOZAJ9I4nVwS0ldv7Df6HLaA3+SVFMYAwCeK487 RB4kOykMdMEPgVSz3PSYU4U= =TPLk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent on dialup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 02:35 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: axe Charlie, Indulge me, but what's the --delete flag good for other than saving diskspace? Yeah HarM, space. But with 240 GB of disk space available here that isn't the main concern. g It also makes a nice clean tree that, in the example given for Mandrake 10, means the tree and hdlists will be in total agreement after the operation is completed. Finally since we're discussing ISOs, if a file or package exists on an old set of disk images but not on the source images for the new version being synced, there will be no discrepancies left if the --delete flag is there. The old files and packages will be deleted. That's why I specified copying the old ISOs. There are many possible reasons to keep ISOs for older releases. That way if the rsync job hangs or is lost someway you lose everything.it does leave a nice clean slate though;) You won't lose everything HarM. The application does a /tmp mount (the r switch for recursive means all and sub directories in the source and target) of the images in order to do the sync. If rsync or the connection crashes whatever has already been written is still there, so it isn't as though you start over if that happens. I use rsync to keep a local tree of the current and previous 2 releases of Mandrake plus a few other distributions. Also keep all the updates synchronized daily for them. Plus I keep images of OEM Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 Pro and XP Pro. Although the latter are just here in case someone that has kids and a Windows system needs a re-install, but their original disk has become a casualty of parenting. (-; I never know what I'll be asked to install, re-install, or install for someone and I hate waiting for downloads. Good luck, HarM Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Dead? No excuse for laying off work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVyuhZqvqlrLPr5YRAsxAAJ44chahLIZBgbqAufwL0ESK6dihOACfeM8L H3ixbMgvlfEBxS8dlatSWx0= =2KfF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent on dialup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 15, 2004 09:08 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Tuesday 16 March 2004 04:26 am, Charlie M. wrote: it's one way, download only. Sort of anyway, rsync reads everything on both ends but only downloads what's required to synchronize the directories. Rather than upload and download as with bit torrent. Again less bandwidth; Less chance of file corruption due to restarts. Maybe. HTH Charlie Thanks a lot Charlie, I'll try rsync. It's good to know there are someone like you out there :) I dread reading such responses Fajar. I'm just an Open Source Software user that has learned a few things, and feels obliged to put those 'snippets of knowledge' to work by helping however I'm able. Pass it on in other words. I'll never be able to return a fraction of the benefit I have derived from the Open Source Community in general; and this Mandrake Community in particular. You're very welcome, and I hope mine was a useful response to your post. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Rocky's Lemma of Innovation Prevention: Unless the results are known in advance, funding agencies will reject the proposal. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVy1aZqvqlrLPr5YRAvhdAKC5k9YGwPhv9DXsJSJpPg8AW8ymzgCeOY/C 1J1V1Znw+jxckkOIM4fXJrk= =M8R1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kernel upgrade? (# 2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 07:50 am, Greg Meyer wrote: whack I think I leave the source build for later. These are the steps I'll follow. If something is screwed up, let me know. 1. Make sure my boot floppy works 2. Add the following to /etc/lilo.conf image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk label=linux-old root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img append=quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off vga=788 read-only ?? do I also have to run lilo to get the config to take ?? 3. Install kernel-2.4.21.0.28mdk rpm 4. reboot and... Don't forget to rerun lilo to update the boot time choices, but this should work. You might want to reboot using the item you added to lilo.conf to make sure it works before you do the new kernel install. -- Addendum to reply -- I forgot to ask in the previous reply about the following 0.13 specific symlinks in /boot config, kernel.h and System.map I did not see them referenced in lilo.conf. They will be updated when you boot into the new kernel. Am I missing something here? Installing a new kernel will add not replace. One never upgrades a kernel. Since Mike specified a non-networked workstation he has to copy the rpm for the new kernel from somewhere. Wherever that somewhere is, the easiest way to install a new kernel on any Mandrake release since forever has been urpmi, but that requires sources for software be set up. Second easiest, after transferring the package to the target machine, is to open a terminal in the directory holding the new package and as super user type: rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.21.0.28mdk.rpm [Enter] Then in the same terminal, after the previous operation completes: lilo -v [Enter] You could combine the two; rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.21.0.28mdk.rpm lilo -v [Enter] I don't like telling people that are uncertain of _anything_ to manually edit configuration files. The results will be the same, just a lot less chance of an oopsie happenning. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVzH5ZqvqlrLPr5YRAshbAJwJ1C0Jk+FFu+Tmyox/5o0GbMJsGgCglHne WGCkOZz2YGwsYpZGxtK6YUc= =eNRt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] java path for Konquerer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 15, 2004 07:42 pm, acid wrote: what should be the correct path to java for Konqueror web browser be so I can use chat rooms? mine is currently:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/lib/i386/libjava.so which only gives me a 'applet loading' screen for days. I know it's in the /lib/i386/ folder because thats the directory I set for Opera, and it works. Opera only needs the directory java is in , Konqueror requires you t point to the exact file which obviously isn't /libjava.so. My java is set to; Global, Use security manager, Shutdown applet server when inactive, 60 second time out and the path I'm using is just java. The appropriate plug-in for Konqueror is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins which should contain a symbolic link to the correct location. My browsers all work, test them at: http://www.expertit.co.uk/support/browsertest/ I'd use Opera but I hate it. so please tell me which file I should point to in the /i386/ directory. There is a executive file named aw_robot or something but that doesn't seem to work, there are a bunch of .so files, I imagine it's one of them , but which one? Just use the plug-ins and let the software work maybe? Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will recommend that they do what they want to do. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVzYcZqvqlrLPr5YRAtpHAJ9DmCbytKpPwDOcfqjzIk8mE6ECDQCfbMrq StZuF6CnG0c4RyXq5zydWyQ= =vZkF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 MCC: Error inserting floppy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 02:57 am, Chuck Mattsen wrote: I believe this is the first time since installing 10.0 that I've fired up the MCC via a terminal window, so this may not be a new error, just the first I've seen it. Should I be concerned/correct in some way? All appears to operate normally (and this laptop has no floppy drive). [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# mcc [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.3-4mdk/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko.gz): No such device No worries. Since harddrake and diskdrake are embedded in the Mandrake Control Center you'll always notice the disks being checked when you start it. FATAL: Error inserting floppy means there's no disk to read. Since it's just an error ignore it. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org No one can feel as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVz5cZqvqlrLPr5YRAt2PAJ9nXch5/s5Bx9723DX/I1q7tYNjggCaA8Bt sHeeBd+dgFzdyWyH8sOIX7o= =5V5K -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 10.0 Community-Download hdlists question;
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 01:54 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: Hello all, I'd like some comments here: I'm a silver Mdk club member so I downloaded CD4-5 using bittorrent but I prefer using rsync on a mirror on my previous (rc1) iso's. Do that, then start the Club torrent. Stop the torrent after it sets the directory and file structure for the ISOs. Move the synced disks to that directory overwriting the empty ISOs that are there, then restart the torrent. It will check the disks, download any not present while uploading the ones already there. BTW the average wrote difference that I've seen using rsync this way has been about 350 KB. Not many bites compared to a full download, is it? I have this gut feeling that there will be no mention of CD4 and 5 on CD1 on the download CD's meaning I'd have to add them later as a source. You're probably right but since I cheat try what I posted above. It should work, I almost always copy ISOs to a torrent directory and start it uploading since I have a complete mirror locally, including the download ISOs. Better still would be to get the right HD lists from the powerpack CD's and put those in the .iso. Since that is probably almost the extent of the differences between the two you still save time and bandwidth, plus learn something HarM. Which is the whole point anyway, isn't it? g Until now I can only find those CD's as .torrents on club but I don't want to download the whole shebang again. See above. So here's the questions: 1)Are there other sources (yet) for those hdlists then those .torrent files? 2)Does the powerpack CD1 indeed have the hdlists for 4 and 5? 3)Do the hdlists for 1-3 differ (i.e. the RPMS available) between the powerpack and download edition? Since it's still based on the Community Edition release at present things will change again when Final is released in about 8 weeks HarM. Once you have the ISOs you'll probably be able to do it all over again. 4)Or is there a way to get bittorrent to only get the /base directory from CD1? Browse to a server with a cooker mirror. The hdlists and all the rest of the contents of the /base directory are there. Won't help though, you're looking for disks 4 and 5, they ain't there. I just looked at my local mirror. The Power Pack CompssUser file is there though. Thanks a lot, HarM Bit Torrent seems to download one disk at a time by default anyway HarM. If my suspicion is correct and it uses a form of rsync for it's checking phase you should still save bandwidth by using the suggestions I posted above. I'd have to know a lot more about BT before I could say with confidence, but it seems likely from observations of torrents for the last 5 or 6 releases through Cooker. Let me know whether I've steered you wrong? Warm regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org senility, n.: The state of mind of elderly persons with whom one happens to disagree. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVz11ZqvqlrLPr5YRAqrkAKCMJPIveSyAlDATXJT8Yj8PzCfJ9gCcD5dz 8bErWdp/iMKtAJiySekPi1U= =Fwbh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] p2p software search
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 11:47 am, Thinker wrote: Hello Everyone, I tried 'urpmi apollon' and 'urpmi mldonkey-gui' as root and both times I got something along the lines of package does not exist or cannot be found. Am I doing something wrong here? -=Thinker Yeah, follow the widely posted instructions on setting up the software sources for the version of Mandrake you run. For these trinkets and toys you often need more than just the disks, contrib, plf, Charles Edwards page, etc.. Here's a hint on where to find apollon for Mandrake 10: ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/mandrake/10.0/i586 Have fun! Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Stinginess with privileges is kindness in disguise. -- Guide to VAX/VMS Security, Sep. 1984 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAV1E1ZqvqlrLPr5YRAsU+AKCKEglSqdMVEXF8F/oXwcoos01nSACcDbP0 DpTGVb2sstGV1/ipzh8YlvM= =qn+A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent on dialup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 09:58 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Tuesday 16 March 2004 11:37 pm, Charlie M. wrote: I dread reading such responses Fajar. I'm just an Open Source Software user that has learned a few things, and feels obliged to put those 'snippets of knowledge' to work by helping however I'm able. Pass it on in other words. I'll never be able to return a fraction of the benefit I have derived from the Open Source Community in general; and this Mandrake Community in particular. You're very welcome, and I hope mine was a useful response to your post. You're so modest. That's what I like from you. See what I mean about these types of responses? Modesty, and by implication humility, are based on the assumption that the 'recipient' of the praise is competent enough at a task, and of worthy character, to warrant the praise. I'm not, I'm only competent enough to know what I don't know. Sounds a conundrum, but it's not; it's just recognition of how I learn. The way I always have, with false starts, mistakes and frustration. The hard way I mean. g As to my charactertake that up with my ex wives. eg And you know what someday, if God speed, I will come and live in Canada. Wish me luck. May you always achieve your desires, while always having new desires and goals to strive for when you do Fajar. I have a feeling you'd be a welcome addition to the multi cultural landscape that is Canada. If well wishes from an old red-neck will help then you have them. If I have any blessings to give. (-; Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org There is a fly on your nose. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAV2awZqvqlrLPr5YRAgYCAJ9vjw+MjLVqqx5yWogW0ghjt79x+QCgnKfR /x57vtwJWls3jp+hFF9yHf0= =h3Wh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent on dialup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 12:20 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 16 March 2004 17:30, Charlie M. wrote: You won't lose everything HarM. The application does a /tmp mount (the r switch for recursive means all and sub directories in the source and target) of the images in order to do the sync. If rsync or the connection crashes whatever has already been written is still there, so it isn't as though you start over if that happens. It just didI started rsync with the --delete flag than stopped it after a while (using ctrl-c)..leaves an empty directory. No hidden or partial files, nothing! That empty directory is where the actual diff is happening. Did you leave it there? I just ran a manual rsync on the cooker tree stopped it after it started writing the second file. When I restarted it the sync picked up from that file. Interesting. On ISOs the entire image will probably have to read and the progress will have to show something above 0% before it would pick up where it stopped. ISOs are still treated as one (very large) file. That may be why I always rsync against complete directories, but it's been so long since I started doing things this way I'd have to dig through a _lot_ of notes to be certain. There was a partial file while rsync was running though. No harm done except some wasted bandwidth, I used copies;) Sorry about your bandwidth. As stated above, on ISOs the entire source and target have to be read before anything is actually written. I'm truly sorry that I didn't make that clear sooner. Abject apologies HarM. I agree about the clean tree though...hadn't thought about files completely being removed or renamed. I should've as I've stumbled across the same problems with discrepancies between the hdlists and available RPM's, using rsync for the updates. There are times during the cooker cycle that things are so screwed up that I only run with the --delete flag once a week. I can afford the bandwidth and space, bandwidth is (theoretically anyway) unlimited with my ISP and disk space is close enough for guvmint work. g Always a joy sharing a thought or two with you, thanks, harM Ditto my friend. You're good company. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Order and simplification are the first steps toward mastery of a subject - -- the actual enemy is the unknown. -- Thomas Mann -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAV2kVZqvqlrLPr5YRAiowAJ91pi1HGyVd+trwHAyX6Ylut3HaowCeIQs8 FQJPEId2brpixKbprdLgqaY= =Vl8/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] p2p software search
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 01:49 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote: whack The giFT daemon, which is responsible for connecting to the various networks, appears to be down and I don't seem to able to start it. TIA Weird. I just started it to see whether the network would respond. Up and running. Which of the plug-ins are you using? I use OpenFT. Never had a problem but I configured it so long that I'd have to look to see what if anything I changed when I first installed it. Have you set the configuration and sharing up correctly? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org If God had intended Man to Smoke, He would have set him on Fire. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAV2xAZqvqlrLPr5YRAshxAJ92xhoRwP9dye2QKNMUJ1DoLcXCPACfTXfc fHB899ZYpN9uM+34R5k7UgI= =ZNuy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] p2p software search
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 16, 2004 02:18 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote: whack Weird. I just started it to see whether the network would respond. Up and running. Which of the plug-ins are you using? I use OpenFT. Never had a problem but I configured it so long that I'd have to look to see what if anything I changed when I first installed it. Have you set the configuration and sharing up correctly? When asked to choose the plugin, I chose the first one. 1- gift-fasttrack-0.8.5-1plf.i586 [EMAIL PROTECTED] cyb]$ giFT *** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/libOpenFT.la: file not found *** Often times more information can be found in the log file or with the -v command line switch. [EMAIL PROTECTED] cyb]$ giFT -v [18:16] giftd 0.11.4 (Nov 10 2003 17:07:26) started [18:16] *** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/libOpenFT.la: file not found [18:16] *** Often times more information can be found in the log file or with the -v command line switch. Now what is that file that's missing ? :-) It would seem something is missing from your install. Did urpmi also install libapollon when you installed the file shring application? As far as I know that's where the missing file comes from. You may want to uninstall apollon, delete the directory in your user space, and start over after updating the software sources. Try urpmi.update -a -c -f [Enter] just to be sure everything is done. Do you recall which package wasn't signed on install? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mosher's Law of Software Engineering: Don't worry if it doesn't work right. If everything did, you'd be out of a job. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAV3b9ZqvqlrLPr5YRAqEXAJ9ikyuIrDMZ8gpK24bl/xEYud8cgwCgq5eY WsE9Gs1NsV77yAf0x4Bjl70= =LTiK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent on dialup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 15, 2004 10:29 am, Fajar PRiyanto wrote: Hi guys, I'm trying bittorrent. Can it be used on dial up machine like mine? I've installed it, but really confused of what I do next. How do I begin to use it? Thanks, Fajar. Hello Fajar; For small files yes, no trouble. For stuff such as Mandrake 10 Community Editionwll not so much. (-: Just how long do you plan to live my friend? Theoretically you could use bit torrent on a dial up connection; but remember the size of the (for example) complete torrent for Mandrake 10 Community. 2.0 Giga Bytes. How long do you think that would take at a (theoretical) maximum download speed of 5 KB per second? On the other hand you can achieve the same effect (having the ISOs) using rsync instead, and with less pain involved. If you still have the ISOs from a previous version just copy and rename them to what you see here: ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/iso or here: ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/iso Then open a terminal and run rsync against a mirror that supports it. The following is the command I use as me, not root. Change the directory path (the part after the space between /Mandrake/iso/ and /archive/backup and so on) to suit your own local environment: rsync -avrt --progress --delete --exclude MandrakeMove-i586.iso ftp.uninett.no::Mandrake/Mandrake/iso/ /archive/backup/nanook/downloads/Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community/ That's all one line. The reason the --exclude flag is in there is probably obvious, you don't need MandrakeMove. Or the md5sum.asc for it but I'm leaving the reader something to do for themselves. g The reason(s) for using rsync instead of anything else are IMHO: you only actually download the differences between the files, so less (much) bandwidth and less (much) time involved; it's one way, download only. Sort of anyway, rsync reads everything on both ends but only downloads what's required to synchronize the directories. Rather than upload and download as with bit torrent. Again less bandwidth; Less chance of file corruption due to restarts. Maybe. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Ever feel like life was a game and you had the wrong instruction book? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVh+mZqvqlrLPr5YRAlyiAJ9Z0bTfgnjZxYm9jjwvwwsO0HfHvACePD7F aO+AqWEeiuB5Kx0yVkKJ9HM= =MDSl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to burn mdk 10 cds
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 14, 2004 09:07 am, Paul Smith wrote: Start k3b, look for the Tools button in the toolbar at the top of the user interface, click it, click the CD section, click Burn CD from Image. Thanks, Charlie! Did you mean «click write iso image»? Paul Yeah that's closer. It actually says; Burn CD Image I just looked. That wording changes from version to version so If there's any further doubt it's the last one in the: Tools CD stack in the dialog. Sorry, I was doing the reply from a (leaky) memory, mine. g Enjoy. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org kernel, n.: A part of an operating system that preserves the medieval traditions of sorcery and black art. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVKH1ZqvqlrLPr5YRAsqSAJ4j07qtw/PHdMjR37Cyt0o2pTWd0wCgl807 kE5++/fgn3WGUkMI09gkrTI= =TqOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ad-Aware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 13, 2004 12:02 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:51:17 -0500 David Williams disseminated the following: Is there even a need for anything like Ad-Aware for Linux? No. There may not be a need but if you don't like pop-up/pop-under ads set the JavaScript settings for your browser of choice accordingly. You can also set all cookies to session status only, for Mozilla and it's derivatives there are Ad Block extensions available, browsers can also use custom cookie filters tailored to security settings even site specific settings should you so desire. This ain't Windows, is it? We ain't in Kansas any more either Toto...g Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid _enough?_ Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Weiler's Law: Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAU3beZqvqlrLPr5YRAs1hAKCvRNL7bR7a/YJLJXQJLgS5yi1teQCeIom9 ZnJCDSq70JZl+pfLyVAMStY= =nvka -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ftp://ftp.sunsiMandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download.md5sums.asc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 11, 2004 05:50 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download.md5sums.asc So , kindly inform me, what does .asc stand for ? John just kidding! Lots of good guesses. I _have_ answered this question on this list before though so why are you all guessing? enbseg /jk ASC ASCII text file ASC PGP armored encrypted file Taken from a page called Every File Format in the World at TechTarget. http://whatis.techtarget.com/fileFormatA/0,289933,sid9,00.html Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Life would be much simpler and things would get done much faster if it weren't for other people -- Blore -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAUIuJZqvqlrLPr5YRAvOqAJ9pjRDyUf+gMqN8BNHbwZ/V3EBIVQCdEN1z pz9DFJVOqsgZbPSseiDI6hI= =kpKf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 18 November 2003 9:14 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: Hello, Now that I have Mandrake installed, I'd like to get it to work with my cable modem. I'm currently using a Linksys external cable modem, and it's connected to my computer via USB. I also have a backup dial-up modem in the machine, but I only need to use it when the cable goes down temporarily (doesn't happen often). I just had Belarc Advisor do a hardware/software profile of my machine, and here's what it found under Communications: === Generic SoftK56 [Modem] SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter Network Card MAC Address: [snipped] Network IP Address: [snipped] === I don't know if the SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter is an internal card, or if this identifies my external cable modem. This adaptor is the alternative you should be able to use instead of the USB connection to your cable modem Melissa. It's a built-in network interface on the main board and I know it works auto-magically since I just did a cable connection for a friend last night as part of a What's this Linux stuff you and others keep talking about QA session. She has the same chipset apparently since that's how the LiveCD version of Mandrake Linux identified it. (note to self: burn another copy since that one won't ever be returned it seems.) You still didn't give the required information my dear, _which_ Linksys USB cable modem? Is it this one: BEFCMU ? If so you have the option to disconnect from the USB and plug into the on-board ethernet connection. You should have the correct cable since they're provided in the box with the modem. The reason I keep saying (as do others) that you need to plug into the ethernet port is simple, the only driver files Linksys provides are for Windows. In any event, when I went through the Mandrake installation, it detected two things during the Network/Connection wizard: winmodem lan lan=local area network. winmodem=P.I.T.A., also known as your generic 56k softmodem. Called that because it uses system resources to do the modem's job rather than utilizing hardware to do, and thus is less expensive than a real modem. You'll have to plug into the ethernet connection to get any satisfaction as far as I know. I tried a couple of years ago to get a USB cable modem to work and had zero luck. Things may have changed but from checking the Linksys site and doing a major Google search it would seem unlikely. The problem as always is that hardware vendors/manufacturers will jump through hoops to be certified partners to Microsoft but don't want to know from shinola about GNU/Linux. Since it detected these, it suggested that instead of manually configuring the IP address, etc., I should just accept the defaults as detected (including depending on dhcp for detecting IP/gateway). I did so, and everything *seemed* to be just fine. That will work as soon as you plug into the ethernet connection so that the system can actually find a connection to work with. When I got into the KDE desktop, I found that I could not connect to the Internet. I went into the Mandrake Control Center, and tried to figure out what was happening. While I did see sis900 listed under the Network Configuration, there was no IP address, and no gateway address (I'm not really sure what this is supposed to be). It can't find the modem, it has no drivers for it, in that persona the cable modem is worse than a winmodem for dial-up. Does anyone here have experience with this type of external modem working with Mandrake/Linux? What can I do to get connected? You've already done all you need, except for unplugging the USB and plugging into the ethernet port. Then just retrace your steps. I really appreciate all the help and encouragement I've been given here, and being ever greedy for more help, I ask that someone rescue me now! :-) Thanks! If I wasn't roughly 3000 miles away you'd already have been playing block the pop-ups and kill the cookies from a GNU/Linux browser under your spiffy new Mandrake Linux install as you surfed your Favourites. (-: Have I mentioned that you have to change the connection to the ethernet port yet? eg Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:32:40 up 18:32, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.10 QOTD: I used to go to UCLA, but then my Dad got a job. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/u7AyG11CaRuZZSIRApoTAJ9WwHHscyaZvW3/ZNZ1a5mF8n30XwCfVz4A nLSR9/wim+WfDJPQniLjDOg= =AjAB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] iso size | I was unsubbed :-)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 18 November 2003 8:01 am, Josenildo Marques wrote: Hi. I've downloaded the first two 9.2 iso's and, to my astonishment, they appear to be extremely tiny. According to Konq, the first iso has 10 MG and the other one, 13MG. In the CLI cyb: ~\ $ du -h Mandrake92-cd1-inst.i586.iso 11M Mandrake92-cd1-inst.i586.iso What have I done wrong ? I downloaded them with wget. TIA P.S.: I was unsubbed. Just came back. Welcome back. The sizes are definitely wrong but there could be a miriad of reasons. How did you download them? What mirror? The easiest way to get the ISO images for the distribution is by either using an ftp app or using a mirror app or using rsync. This is the contents of the 9.2 iso directory I mirrored from uninett.no: Mandrake/iso]$ ls -l total 2094148 - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook424 Nov 13 09:24 9.2-download.md5sums.asc - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook 683642880 Nov 7 11:43 Mandrake92-cd1-inst.i586.iso - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook 731797504 Nov 7 13:51 Mandrake92-cd2-ext.i586.iso - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook 728948736 Nov 7 15:20 Mandrake92-cd3-i18n.i586.iso - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook 2867 Aug 19 02:56 README - -rw-rw-r--1 nanook nanook173 Nov 13 09:16 README.LG The total size of the disks is shown at the top. As shown above; disk 1 is 652 MB, disk 2 is 697.9 MB and disk 3 is 695.2 MB. You may want to try downloading them again? Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 09:42:39 up 20:23, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.43, 0.35 Cropp's Law: The amount of work done varies inversly with the time spent in the office. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uk8jG11CaRuZZSIRAufpAKCqkU/3Nzy3o3mNOWKv3Wtd4sVSbgCfcVGj RuaTwD+D3QcUywoEIXS4SWc= =RKhG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 18 November 2003 1:07 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Bryan, snip This is a custom built computer, so I'll have to ask the guy who built it if he can explain what the MDK installation was seeing. As long as I can be very sure that I'm only messing with my 20 GB drive, I'll be happy to stumble through some more trial and error myself, because if all I mess up is the fresh drive with no essential data on it yet, I can always just start over. However, there's another thing I'll have to decide with regards to how worried I should be about performing the installation without expert supervision... hda would be the primary or master on the first IDE channel Melissa. If you're looking at hdb you're looking at the second disk on the first IDE channel. Your 20 GB drive in other words. hda is the first on that channel, hdc is first on the second channel, hdd is second on the second channel and so on. The starter guide also suggests possibly changing a setting or two in the BIOS in order to make the installation smoother for MDK. Since the BIOS is, as far as I understand it (which may not be very far), a system wide setting (affecting both hard drives, no?), I want to be especially careful messing about in there. At this point, it is this BIOS thing as much as anything else that concerns me. The BIOS is where the system gets it's first initialization settings. Most modern operating systems don't use much they find there but it still needs to be there. Just turn off plug'n'play aware OS since neither XP or any recent distribution needs plug and pray anyway. I'd suggest setting the boot order to CD-ROM, then IDE0. You should be fine then, just remember not to leave any disks in the CD drive on reboots. The adventure continues... As far as all the advice on partitioning etc, does it really matter? Most new converts find things they want to change on their second install. There will be a second install Melissa, _everyone does it._ I usually start all freshly caught victims...e...converts with basic partitioning by suggesting that you allow diskdrake to do it after choosing custom partitioning at that install stage. There's a button in diskdrake to clear the whole disk after selecting the second tab/disk (20 GB, aka hdb in your case) and start fresh. That would be a good place to start IMHO since you've already stated that you don't have anything on that disk that you want; and that it will be dedicated to Mandrake Linux. Once it's all cleared just use the Auto Allocate button in diskdrake and let the tools the developers built into the distribution take care of it. Won't have to figure swap size, root (/) size, or any of the other technical things. It should auto-magically make a separate /home partition for you and at first that's the only one you'll care about since all your personal stuff will be there. You can learn about custom partitioning later, right? (-; Just some thoughts. Welcome to the world of unlimited choices. Have fun! Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 13:23:02 up 49 min, 1 user, load average: 0.42, 0.32, 0.27 How wonderful opera would be if there were no singers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uoQuG11CaRuZZSIRAg/zAKCou2L1V+qdHt3sh9lRkH2z9f17pQCgpLm+ OPptNy1Lgg8Qneedh8plZlc= =wOdM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 18 November 2003 12:51 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Melissa Reese wrote: As long as I can be very sure that I'm only messing with my 20 GB drive, I'll be happy to stumble through some more trial and error myself, because if all I mess up is the fresh drive with no essential data on it yet, I can always just start over. However, there's another thing I'll have to decide with regards to how worried I should be about performing the installation without expert supervision... Exactly, so just go ahead and install on your hdb, the 20g drive. The starter guide also suggests possibly changing a setting or two in the BIOS in order to make the installation smoother for MDK. Such as ? Since the BIOS is, as far as I understand it (which may not be very far), a system wide setting (affecting both hard drives, no?), Bios, means Built In Operating System , and the most basic computer there is, http://searchWin2000.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid1_gci213814,00.html It actually is an acronym for Basic Input/Output System. For any other acronyms you want to define may I suggest: http://whatis.techtarget.com/ There's an alphabetical list there. evil grin Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:06:16 up 1:32, 1 user, load average: 0.85, 0.40, 0.32 E.T. GO HOME!!! (And take your Smurfs with you.) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uotRG11CaRuZZSIRApuhAKCPGJcgHYz2gttha7ThPDk/3cXH6QCeOOPC peGxvgax6bl51q04cjv1vA4= =5snq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday 17 November 2003 6:16 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 05:03 pm, a large portion of the List wrote: snip Thanks to all who replied - guess I'll try gftp or something like that. Although, I think I will try Konq (just out of curiosity) to see if it does better than Mozilla on large d/l's. Thanks again to everyone! :-) GFTP is still a G.U.I. tool so it ain't all that different. C'mon Ronald, command line tools rock to the Nth degree you know. Try rsync, I dare ya. Using a *browser* _still_? For downloading 650 and 700 MB files? Chicken! large evil grin Have fun Dark Lord. (-; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 08:32:22 up 14:30, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 When in doubt, have a man come through the door with a gun in his hand. -- Raymond Chandler -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uOtRG11CaRuZZSIRAgAIAJ9/qeSrFbABVDVgwTz0XZGjYNjCFQCfZ2j0 bmw7XlFtzqMQypG5+UCR8Qo= =L9Re -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 16 November 2003 12:15 pm, candlish wrote: Dear Charlie, Thank you for your comments. You may have missed my point (the one on my head (-;) though. E-mail sound may not have a need for html and the requirement for hugh downloads can be avoided. E-mail sounds tend to be around 35k or 3 seconds modem action. The only time I did anything resembling the proposal that started this diatribe was one birthday card that was e-mailed to the person in question the day I delivered and set up her system. I used files from her hard drive called by html because it was; a.) a much lighter message in terms of size, b.) I knew exactly what I could call for effect because I had placed the files on her system before I delivered it. Less than 15 minutes later all scripting in e-mail was turned off and the Outlook Express quick launch icon actually called Opera Mail. Belt'n'braces as some would say. The message was less than ten kilo bytes but the background, music and fonts were all displayed as intended. Size does matter, even though here in Canada there are few people that don't have access to broadband connections, it's not exactly effective to your intended purpose to have a person on dial up have a card that takes 2 to 10 minutes to load, now is it? I think my method now is a more reasonable response. By that I mean a small animated Happy Birthday gif for example, or just a link to a page that expresses the appropriate sentiment, as an e-card that I've stored on my own web space gives the flexibility that I want without having to reverse the effect of my years of screaming at people to never allow remote images, applications, or scripts to run in e-mail clients. I choose not to have to fight that battle again. Viruses, trojans, and worms, are an unfortunate reality; and having spent all of this time trying to convince people whose systems I'm responsible for not to open the door to malware, even by accident, means I'm damned if I'll condone anything more that what I've already stated. The way the last few worms have been written means that even my method is suspect, since they can be activated easily from a corrupted gif, jpeg, or a simple hyper link or through simple instant messenger connections. Or worse. None of the systems in question have anything like that level of vulnerability since I won't allow it, but who knows what the authors of malicious software are going to think up next. With Microsoft's unwitting(???) help of course. If you think I feel that this is a war, and that e-mail is one of the primary battle fields; DUH! Not very much fun sending a Christmas card to a recipient, who has to look up a web page to find a manufactured e-mail to get a result. Look up what Malcolm? The links I've sent to people are direct to a web page designed to convey my greetings/message. The whole page, and no external links. One click on an e-mail link versus increased vulnerability. I know which I prefer since I have to clean any resultant nasties out if and when Linux must be able to do this and better than MS. It does, by not allowing such ridiculous abuses by default. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. chop I wish you well with your idea, but I'd prefer to think safety before ear and eye candy. Just my humble opinion. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 13:14:04 up 6 min, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.26, 0.15 If puns were deli meat, this would be the wurst. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t+JxG11CaRuZZSIRAkFQAJ47kcBLbpfNgt9B4GheNyKabC3mUwCfQp2O HvjuF3YRWPUuIK66+A1fv+0= =wtTY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 16 November 2003 2:34 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download the 9.2 ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work right. I'll start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the download dialog box to stay open after downloading, then let it run. I've got broadband, and am getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55 mins per ISO). However, what happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box shows 100 percent, progress bar all the way over, but when I check the ISO itself, its like 270 megs one time, then 384 megs the next time. Even though Mozilla says its 100 percent downloaded. I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks. Yeah, I'd try gftp or one of the other ftp apps called from a terminal in the directory you want the download in. For example: gftp ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/Mandrake/iso starts the download but the message from the server is that there are too many anonymous users for the transaction to complete at this time. Try a different server. Such as one of the European ones where people are likely asleep at the moment. g Or if you already have an old set of ISOs from a previous version rename them to reflect the new release name and use rsync in a terminal to download the differences which is the method I generally use. Or just use rsync to download them instead of an ftp front end app. If you do have the ISOs and have renamed them add --delete before the --progress flag. Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] nanook]$rsync -avrt --progress ftp.uninett.no::Mandrake/Mandrake/iso/ /downloads/torrent/ All spaces are single. Of course change the source mirror and destination directory to suit you, but I know for a fact the download is fairly fast from the server in the example. Reading the rsync man page or rsync --help wouldn't hurt either. (-; HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 15:07:47 up 2:00, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.09, 0.08 I'd love to go out with you, but I'm having all my plants neutered. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t/hrG11CaRuZZSIRApOZAJ9wzSGhElIyz7bxN4ZfvdbjLwsAFwCeIXJ4 ZZSwTSPzpP98oE2tnDJ1cQA= =HN7z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating urpmi database on 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 14 November 2003 12:47 pm, Margot wrote: I was using urpmi the other night and received a message that I should update my database. I thought the command I used to use for this on 9.0 was 'updatedb', but I tried all 3 ways (as user, su and root) and got the response 'command not found'. Tried 'man db' and 'man urpmi', and looked on the TWiki, but couldn't find a command for updating the database. Help! Margot Hi; What's the address you're using, and for which mirror Margot? Some tree structures are possibly changed due to the complete release of 9.2, and the URL may have to be changed to reflect that. This happens because the mirrors are a voluntary thing, and some only keep the trees for the most recent 2 versions, others move them to the Old directories or drop them altogether. Please post the URL you're using and I'll see what i can come up with, OK? Or someone that has a clue (unlike myself g) will. Regards; Charlie P.S. The following compound command as super user or root will do a complete database and menu update for you, then reload the configuration: rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus ldconfig enter C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 13:49:44 up 4 days, 1:55, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.24, 0.29 I must have slipped a disk -- my pack hurts! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/tUJiG11CaRuZZSIRApYaAKCttNqspC1VcYUETeAnhqOqRH0axwCfZb7c m7Ny1sFZrkZBiFxVDUM3yrU= =zsyG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating urpmi database on 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 14 November 2003 12:47 pm, Margot wrote: I was using urpmi the other night and received a message that I should update my database. I thought the command I used to use for this on 9.0 was 'updatedb', but I tried all 3 ways (as user, su and root) and got the response 'command not found'. Tried 'man db' and 'man urpmi', and looked on the TWiki, but couldn't find a command for updating the database. Help! Margot brain fart alert! Sorry about that, I didn't read the subject through. The command I posted will do what you want if the sources in the software manager are current for the version of Mandrake Linux you have installed. If not head to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon to set it up. Or just do urpmi urpmi.setup to do the same locally. That only works if the package is on the disks you have, or if you already have a contrib source configured though. \brain fart mode There's also the minor fact that the tree for 9.2 on the mirrors doesn't seem to have consistent information since the extra kernels etc were added and the LG Killer (it's a joke!) BOOT kernel was removed. I'm still getting errors on contrib packages because of it. I'll shut up and get back to work now. Sorry again. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:01:09 up 4 days, 2:06, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.38, 0.32 BOFH excuse #88: Boss' kid fucked up the machine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/tUVfG11CaRuZZSIRArvmAJ96r/CcBYNiWKLyYSe12gsKYg9VJACeO6Oy sNJk87rCyuevzk1xeymlqIc= =ARzh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating urpmi database on 9.2
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Friday 14 November 2003 2:54 pm, Margot wrote:
snip
Being really stupid here (as usual!) but I can't find the command to
give the URLs for my sources. Tried
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# urpmq --list-media
But only got this list of the names of the media I've got set up, not
the URLs:
Installation CD1 Discovery (cdrom1)
Installation CD2 Discovery (cdrom2)
Installation CD2 Discovery (cdrom3)
updates
main
contrib
plf
LF CD1
LF CD2
LF CD3
They shouldn't be too out-of-date though - I only added them a few days
ago via Easy Urpmi.
Result:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus
ldconfig
bash: updatedb: command not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]#
So it is not finding the 'updatedb' command - has this command changed
its name in 9.2? I'm sure it used to work in 9.0.
Should still work.
Margot
The configuration files for urpmi live in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
Here's mine:
contrib ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/contrib/i586
{
hdlist: hdlist.contrib.cz
with_hdlist: ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz
list: list.contrib
key-ids: 70771ff3
}
update_source
ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS {
hdlist: hdlist.update_source.cz
with_hdlist: ../base/hdlist.cz
list: list.update_source
key-ids: 22458a98
}
club
ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/MandrakeClub/9.2/i586
{
hdlist: hdlist.club.cz
with_hdlist: ../hdlist.cz
list: list.club
}
main
ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS
{
hdlist: hdlist.main.cz
with_hdlist: ../base/hdlist.cz
key-ids: 70771ff3
}
PLF ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/mandrake/9.2/i586 {
hdlist: hdlist.PLF.cz
with_hdlist: ../hdlist.cz
list: list.PLF
key-ids: caba22ae
}
As I posted previously I get error messages for contribs as well. However the
updatedb command runs with no trouble here. In fact that entire chain
actually runs on every system I've helped install 9.2 on so far.
I'm not sure what's causing the trouble with the command but I'd start by
comparing the files.
HTH
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Updating urpmi database on 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 14 November 2003 3:07 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 14 Nov 2003 7:47 pm, Margot wrote: I was using urpmi the other night and received a message that I should update my database. I thought the command I used to use for this on 9.0 was 'updatedb', but I tried all 3 ways (as user, su and root) and got the response 'command not found'. Tried 'man db' and 'man urpmi', and looked on the TWiki, but couldn't find a command for updating the database. Help! Margot 'updatedb' is the command to update the slocate database for fast file searches. You want 'urpmi.update -a' to update the urpmi databases of all online sources. derek Thanks Derek; I knew I was forgetting something. That mess I sent earlier was incomplete. I'm still getting contrib uses invalid database, trying alternative method or something similar. When I have a few extra minutes I'll get the exact error and post it here. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 15:36:43 up 4 days, 3:42, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.22, 0.23 Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. -- Sam Brown, The Washington Post, January 26, 1977 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/tVmHG11CaRuZZSIRAgpQAJ4/Si0yeQ+vwKLuB+4GrT2tRsj70wCdFVON RWusZz6SPkcEKvrDAAwDLv4= =qDua -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mplayer Plugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 14 November 2003 8:15 pm, dfox wrote: Somebody scribbled about Re: [newbie] Mplayer Plugin It seems that I have solved. My problems (mplayerplug-in 0.8 not playing Quicktime movies) were caused by the generic rpm I downloaded I got my rpm from the main site (or is it contrib?) let's check: (probably cooker main, 1.0.0.pre2) from sourceforge. I tried do download and compile the tarball instead and... ta-dà! It works! Now I have what I need: RealMedia handled by RealPlayer 8 and QuickTime movies played by mplayerplug-in. qt should work fine with standalone mplayer. Ah, if I only knew the url I'd pass it directly rather than use the plug in. None of the preview links at that WGBH link you posted seem to work for me either. I tried with mozilla, firebird, konqueror, galeon and opera. The mplayer plug-in works for all of the browsers at http://www.apple.com/trailers/ for example, this one http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/matrix_revolutions.html I'm not sure why the PBS station's links aren't downloading the preview or the full episodes, I tried the recent show about string theory. No joy. The mplayer version I used was the standard 9.2 plf version, so was the plug-in. They work fine for me. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 21:02:03 up 4 days, 9:07, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.16, 0.25 ... If I had heart failure right now, I couldn't be a more fortunate man!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/taayG11CaRuZZSIRAmigAJ9GClj2o6L/FbQZA1wZt0AOjN/07wCgrEde BSC6NkZUxkHZyyFcpnx5bqo= =Muz9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mplayer Plugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 14 November 2003 9:47 pm, dfox wrote: Somebody scribbled about Re: [newbie] Mplayer Plugin http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/matrix_revolutions.html I'm there now: it's just sitting there saying transferring data from the site. One line about mplayer plugin, that's it. The mplayer version I used was the standard 9.2 plf version, so was the plug-in. They work fine for me. Maybe the plf ones make a difference? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]# rpm -qa | grep mplayer mplayer-skins-1.3-7mdk mplayer-gui-1.0-0.pre2.2mdk mplayerplugin-1.0-0.pre2.1mdk mplayer1.0-1.0-0.pre2.6mdk Here's mine: [EMAIL PROTECTED] nanook]# rpm -qa | grep mplayer mplayer-0.92-0.1plf mplayer-gui-0.92-0.1plf mplayer-skins-1.3-7mdk mplayerplugin-0.80-1mdk I don't seem to have the most recent version installed here. But I'm absolutely sure the plf version has the win32 codecs. I don't know if they're really necessary or not though. I just tried the link I posted for the Matrix revolutions trailer, it doesn't seem to ever download in Konqueror, but it's fine in Mozilla, Firebird, and Galeon. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 23:00:55 up 4 days, 11:06, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.75, 0.74 I'm not an Iranian!! I voted for Dianne Feinstein!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/tcMuG11CaRuZZSIRAs6jAJ9MQhvw722t2nu9ZhICHgq2WsfH9QCfak8/ 94uquI+KZ9AeyEim2lIDRYI= =O/NA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [OT] Link offered without comment...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.infowarrior.org/articles/2003-06.html Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:35:54 up 2 days, 22:41, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.08, 0.08 You tread upon my patience. -- William Shakespeare, Henry IV -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s8EhG11CaRuZZSIRAhzlAKCjII4gLiL7H2zolwNuO1qu/y0+ywCfQa4g 9/81bAfAL6eM/O1Z7R8jO0o= =afzG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 7:20 am, Thinker wrote: I tried to ftp install it but something has gone very wrong. Using the mirror ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/ I made the network.img floppy using rawwritewin.exe (on my Windows 2000 box) from the dosutils directory. I booted to it, brought up the network and directed it to the proper location on the server. Once everything loaded into memory, I only selected LSB, Workstation, Configuration, for the installation options. Something like 700MB or so. It took about 90 minutes and then the installation was complete. I rebooted and once in, I brought up the MCC to update the installation. Once I updated the install, everything seemed to be fine. Then I noticed the 'writing' light was on on the front of my HP 9150 8x4x32 CD-R/RW Drive. Of course I wasn't writing anything (There was no disc in the drive). The eject button gave me no response so, in true newbie fashion I assume, I rebooted. When the machine came back up and I logged in to KDE, half of the information that had been in my menu was gone. I couldn't get to the MCC, no terminals or anything. Only a few items, none of which can help me get my system back to the state it was in before I rebooted. HELP! -=Thinker Would you please, in the name of all that you consider Holy _remove that fscking reply to_ from your mail client? I'm certain I've asked you this before and the reasons have been posted ad nauseum on this and other mailing lists. The archives hold your answer and the reason some of us get so cranky over reply to settings is just that; archives will prevent endless repetition of the same fixes if people would only use them. To your menu problem: Log out, or don't log-in as user from a fresh boot. From the log-in screen use Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log-in there as root. Then run the following commands: (Note: ALL commands are one liners. You can assume there are only single spaces between flags and options, mail client word wrap kills that though.) urpmi.addmedia ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz Enter Next prompt: urpmi --auto-select Enter After you install all the relevant updates, run the next compound command. rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n -v ldconfig enter Next prompt: Ctrl+D to exit, then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to return to the log-in screen. You should be OK. For the CD-RW problem; is that drive a re-badged LG by any chance? If so you likely killed it, which you would know if you had read any of the multitude of posts, or the warnings on the Mandrake site, in the past three weeks. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 09:47:27 up 21:52, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.10, 0.14 A lie in time saves nine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sResG11CaRuZZSIRAv/tAJ4uZaCvcn4Lxgq2WSJwqSvSFkrEUwCggYtU B7+PXEq5lNfEGAlsnxqXNtM= =O7kc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 8:06 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Yesterday I received my 7 cd's with 9.2. Installed without formatting my /home. Works fine and maybe even faster than 9.1. But : 1. where is file manager - super user mode. Protect (l)users from themselves. :-P Just add a link to application to your desktop, or use Alt+F2 and run kdesu -c konqueror to get what you want. 2. why does kdf list my partitions twice ? That's still being debated on cooker occasionally. It's a pain in the assets, but I have learnt to ignore it. 3. In 9.1 I could just plug in my camera, open kdf and mount the device for transferring the pictures. Not so anymore, the camera doesn't show up at all. Hot plugging removable media seems to still have a few bumps Kaj. I'm not sure but I'll see what I can see tomorrow when I'm scheduled to update a system to 9.2. If I find anything of interest, like a workaround, I'll let you know. And, just to add a tip : If you want to get rid of the default, blue screen during boot in order to enjoy the boot process in all its glory, just edit lilo.conf to vga=791. Remember to run lilo when done. Kaj haulrich. You can also pick a different theme if you want. Find the available themes in /usr/share/bootsplash. Or in /etc/bootsplash. You can change the theme by using: sh switch-themes nameoftheme to pick a new one from the available sets. Available theme names are listed by sh switch-themes -l to see what's currently being used: sh switch-themes -c as super user in the /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts directory. I suppose you could add it to your path so you wouldn't have to cd to that directory but I don't think it's something many people will do very often anyway. Back to the salt mine! Have fun Kaj Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:30:32 up 22:35, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.16, 0.12 Hear about the young Chinese woman who just won the lottery? One fortunate cookie... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sSBZG11CaRuZZSIRAiX+AJ9PyGN9sUtfrQoiSJeiN4L2jJsW+QCcDh+k V9V2lu2g+hIuVK2ub6/bvXc= =I2aY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 10:38 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:09:00 -0700 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: For the CD-RW problem; is that drive a re-badged LG by any chance? If so you likely killed it, which you would know if you had read any of the multitude of posts, or the warnings on the Mandrake site, in the past three weeks. From the Mandrake site: NOTE: Based on information we have received from LG Electronics' technicians, only CD-ROM models are affected by this bug. DVD-ROM/R/RW and CD-RW devices are not affected. Based on information etc. That still doesn't mean it isn't possible, and it doesn't mean that every cut rate spec proprietary drive will be unaffected, correct? (-; I always go with the worst case scenario Haywire, then I can be pleasantly surprised when I'm proved wrong. Which happens a lot. In other words pessimists are correct more often, even though optimists seem to have more fun. g C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:54:49 up 22:59, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.07 The Wright Bothers weren't the first to fly. They were just the first not to crash. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sSNYG11CaRuZZSIRAm+dAJ9lg1I6UTRTMVL2mhU2RIJuWxUwiwCeP8Tm QnLNDreYPsJNb15HhuuyhU4= =UwUl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 2:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 11 Nov 2003 5:46 pm, Charlie M. wrote: Tuesday 11 November 2003 8:06 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Yesterday I received my 7 cd's with 9.2. Installed without formatting my /home. Works fine and maybe even faster than 9.1. But : 1. where is file manager - super user mode. Protect (l)users from themselves. :-P That's by M$ thinking! I hope they will not go too far down that route. If they think it is a cause for concern, I think they should address it by options during the install - so the administrator can decide what is appropriate. Anne Agreed; to a degree. It's an easy function to re-enable though. Perhaps if the feature had been documented during testing there would have been more lurkers such as myself willing to pop up on the cooker list and scream about it. I started testing a 3 full weeks before I thought any beta releases were due to be available, but was unsure whether it was something I had screwed up when Super User File Manager and Super User Konsole disappeared. It seems some of the developers and volunteers seem to have a tendency to step in and add weight to the complaints of we that have no talent for coding; which usually gets the attention of the decision makers. Others however are so wrapped in their own skill and projects that they have no time for end users at all. )-: I think those people might need some incentive other than just the Fun Factor to work on the projects they have taken responsibility for. I'm going to start spending more time reading, and trying to understand, the change logs and the appropriate list, then volunteer to attempt to translate geek to plain language. Documentation always seems the weakest link in any distribution, and it may be well past time that someone at least *try* to make this stuff understandable. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:22:39 up 1 day, 2:27, 1 user, load average: 0.37, 0.14, 0.10 Without life, Biology itself would be impossible. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sVdkG11CaRuZZSIRAv1LAKChNVjhiRX6fD3fJv51E17Pm3BbuwCgpj/3 nIpOKBdfsXfOipzPysJsGAQ= =75sT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 12:54 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 06:46 pm, Charlie M. wrote: snip? No, sorry; *whack* (-; Thanks, Charlie. After playing around a little, I find that in Konqueror one can open /mnt/camera and download the pictures from there. But it is slooow. Another way is to mount the camera manually and use Midnight Commander. Funny thing is, however, my fstab changes itself magically with regards to /dev/sda1 (camera) and seemingly at random ? - I'm a little uneasy having such an important file out of my control. As I posted earlier, I'll keep an eye on the system I have to do tomorrow and try to figure out how to make things a bit easier. Then I'll post any solutions I find. Thanks for the tips though but I want to try things in Newbie/end user mode first and since it ain't my system I'll break whatever needs breaking. (-: I think about half the time (at least) I don't see some of the weirdness people report 'cause I disable supermount and devfs from habit. But I'm always breaking other things, so I may see some _really_ weird stuff others wouldn't. Must be running GNU/Linux on this machineg As to the boot sequence : being an oldtimer I like to see all the kernel messages scroll by, marking everything [ok]. But that's me. So if you want to see the messages lose the splash=silent append in Lilo Kaj. Nobody said you have to accept any defaults, now did they? (-; Isn't a salt mine a very dry place ? - Remember to bring some beer, charlie :-) Mega dry. Cold beer would be nice. I'd have to have time to drink it though. Kaj Haulrich. Best Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:41:17 up 1 day, 2:46, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.15, 0.16 It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - - Thomas Jefferson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sVpcG11CaRuZZSIRAjizAJsGcisE3SHuA6qI16ToH2EKLBLzLgCfcHhJ eolErYlKkN7vtgp6oVncAJA= =yOGv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday 10 November 2003 8:25 am, HaywireMac wrote: snip Get a new network.img from your favourite mirror and use that. The trees have been updated to get rid of the .10.mdkBOOT kernel image and that would cause a conflict since the image you're using was likely from the original. Since I haven't done a network or hd install since I just re-synced my local trees I may be wrong, or the tree may not be fully updated to reflect the changes either but that seems unlikely. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 09:31:42 up 21:53, 1 user, load average: 0.42, 0.27, 0.16 There are worse things in life than death. Have you ever spent an evening with an insurance salesman? -- Woody Allen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r75wG11CaRuZZSIRAoDNAKCX+uqRjULFj52YE1UA7myqU0iSvwCgke2T /IYdnv/fFbIIGVBE1eXqDsk= =Ytql -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Pre-Linux install: Hardware identification tool?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday 10 November 2003 9:21 am, Warren Post wrote: PC Chips is the top selling mobo where I live, so I've installed Mandrake on more PC Chips boards than anything else. There are no particular problems -- at least not with the ones I've done -- so don't worry and just give it a go. The only thing that didn't come on the Mandrake disks was the driver for the winmodem that comes on the board. Many folks on this list will tell you that you are better off buying a real modem, and I suppose they're right, but I had no trouble following the instructions for my PCTel onboard winmodem, which works better in Linux than it ever did in Windows. Mind you, I wish I had a decent motherboard and real hardware. But PC Chips installs and works no worse in Linux than it does in Windows. PC Chips puts their mobo model number in tiny print in one of the corners of the board right next to a screw hole. You're looking for something like M748LMRT, which is what the mobo I'm using now says. The PC Chips website is http://www.pcchips.com.tw/. They have a page for every mobo they've made, including the old discontinued stuff. The page for my board, for example, is http://www.pcchips.com.tw/M748LMRT.html, which I mention so that you can simply change my model number for yours and go straight to your board's page. There you will find a downloadable manual for your mobo and the latest BIOS to flash if you're a risk taker. In case your modem is a PCTel, http://www.medres.ch/~jstifter/linux/pctel.html will help you get it going in Linux. I hate to say it but the best hardware detection tool I know is the hardware manager in Windows. It's buried somewhere in My PC - Properties, and can be printed for reference. It's the last thing I did before wiping my Windows. Hope this helps. Isn't this an Encore Presentation of a post you made on the weekend? g Just curious. For those still stuck in Windows but considering giving Mandrake Linux or any other distribution a try the easiest way to check hardware compatibility is by booting from a CD-ROM distribution such as Knoppix. Or one of the others: http://www.google.ca/search?q=live+cdhl=enlr=ie=UTF-8sa=G There's also a fairly handy tool called Belarc Advisor that will identify and display more (probably) information about your system than you care to know. It's a freebie, runs under Windows: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html It also reads all MS software installed and checks against the list for possible Hotfixes that may be required. May as well do two things (at least) at once, don't you think? (-; Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 09:43:35 up 22:05, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.11 That secret you've been guarding, isn't. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r8KeG11CaRuZZSIRAuoUAJ93tew61cAHHl+xpJVjHNHp5fw9cQCfWgF/ 7qYg4n3YaZrNIK7hL4Qx1lk= =5sch -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday 10 November 2003 10:39 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:43:21 -0500 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Get a new network.img from your favourite mirror and use that. The trees have been updated to get rid of the .10.mdkBOOT kernel image and that would cause a conflict since the image you're using was likely from the original. I just snagged the img about an hour ago, but I'l try one from a different mirror, thanks! Tried a different image, dated 10/29, same problem, though this time it did show a message in the logs: reverse dns lookup on self failed Any ideas? Man, when are those ISO's comin' out... Does this have anything to do with your firewall? The only time I've ever run across connection issues for network installs was if the server was expecting a user name and password because there were too many anonymous ftp users logged in already. Or through a 3Com NIC sometimes. But that shouldn't be the problem since you seem to be connecting. I would have responded quicker but for a couple points: 1.) I re-wrote the CD-RWs that I use to do network, hard disk, and USB installs. Yes I said -RWs, I hate floppies since they're so slow to load. Also; 2.) I was comparing a few mirrors to see which are the most up to date. Which mirror are you working with? uninett.no is current, sunet.se seems to be current. A few others are lagging apparently. I'll be back in a bit, I need to re-boot and test the network and hd.img install routines to be sure nothing is broken. I'm not getting to keep my uptime much lately. (-; Later; C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:47:29 up 23:08, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.17, 0.09 MacDonald has the gift on compressing the largest amount of words into the smallest amount of thoughts. -- Winston Churchill -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r9JgG11CaRuZZSIRAglxAKCgDsxEuP6rvxSPF1y9Dx43r36dGACgre0G vH+FKFsJ66jjSDXCmrB5fSg= =Blss -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday 10 November 2003 12:00 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:58:59 +0800 Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: hmmm, well its a mirror all the ISP's here offer bandwidth unlimited downloads from.. So its possible that is only accessable from one of the ISP's... If so, then I apologize for suggesting it.. :-) could it be that it's just all us trying to hit it at the same time? I think Franki's explanation is the correct one. It's an Australian ISP only server. No matter what method I try it always times out trying to connect. I only took a shot for curiosity since I don't need the ISOs. I have the complete cooker, 9.1 and 9.2 trees locally, plus this box will get re-cooked as soon as I finish assembling the new one. BTW; I seem able to initialize an ftp install from uninett.no using the latest network image as of 11 minutes ago. I stopped at the point where I would have to begin partitioning the drive/format partitions/select packages though so I don't know if it will go all the way through. Do you have the disk space to mirror the 9.2 tree locally? 2.4 GB for main, 2.6 GB for contrib if you skip jpackage and SRPMS. If so you'll be a hell of a lot better off, since the network install will error out every time the mirror you connect to rsyncs to the main Mandrake server. That would assume the mirror will be re-synchronized which I'm unsure of, but there were updated files twice recently in the 9.2 tree. Once for kernels (in contrib only I think) and this last one I noticed this morning. Plus the total time (rsync and then hd install) is less usually than any network install over a less than gigabit interface. Just a suggestion. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 12:07:01 up 11 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.12, 0.12 Fourth Law of Thermodynamics: If the probability of success is not almost one, it is damn near zero. -- David Ellis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r+VnG11CaRuZZSIRAveJAJwL7vMmkbb1Ji/PTpxcNJwZQ6bzsACZAWf6 nHEOXhunHzYoTywxHItxAKQ= =v529 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LAN not recognized on asus a7n8x-x MB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday 06 November 2003 2:30 pm, gt wrote: thanks so much, i will give it a try right now (postponing all the things I really should be doing right now) :) Gideon I have to slow down and give sensible answers, sorry Gideon. )-: You'll probably need to sure you install the kernel source for the running version you have and since there were updates for 9.1 it's easiest to open a super user terminal and type: urpmi kernel-source enter It should install the correct version and dependencies for you. If you haven't installed an update kernel yet do that first by leaving out the -source above then install the source. Then run lilo -v enter in the same terminal after you have installed the packages to have access to the new kernel and when that's all done type reboot enter to use it. I'm still too much in a hurry, sorry. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:34:50 up 5 days, 23:13, 1 user, load average: 0.37, 0.30, 0.25 When God saw how faulty was man He tried again and made woman. As to why he then stopped there are two opinions. One of them is woman's. -- DeGourmont -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qr/1G11CaRuZZSIRAuqvAKCB5tvd268nlyb8VWQScRwFGE8PpACcCJkz lTHv6HmMcq+DAoeN+8m+zyw= =Qhqv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] left start menu (another problem)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 31 October 2003 9:17 am, Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Hi, also despite the fact that out of the hundreds of item that show up, only few are there. Even fewer point to as valid links, most of them don't do anything. It happens in GNOME, and everything else Even with other users. You can either: run the command (as super user) update-menus -v or wait until 4:00 AM when cron runs or install anacron if your machine isn't always on. Just for grins and giggles you could also run the following compound command as super user: rpm rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n -v ldconfig to do everything all sequentially that likely needs to be done after a large update. Have fun! Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:05:00 up 2 days, 22:08, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.19 She sells cshs by the cshore. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/opeWG11CaRuZZSIRAmAQAJ9gXWolIL5xTSWBDpnz+rBSCiFjLACePovo 1bn2nUnmDGG9ExmoUnrSFz4= =V41d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 31 October 2003 12:25 pm, Anarky wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian are you talking about the club member isos or the free isos .. as I can't find any isos for non-club though it's mentioned on the download page :( You'll see a notice on the main Mandrake Linux home page when the ISOs are released to the ftp server mirrors. Link is below. You could always join The Club if you're in a hurry. If you're that impatient just do a network install or upgrade from the 9.2 tree that _is_ on the servers and immediately do an update. Or use rsync to download the entire tree if you have the disk space and do a hard drive install/upgrade. Or download the tree and try building your own set of ISOs, and try not to fry any LG drives you may have. Read about these and other interesting tidbits at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ Or just wait until you see a notice at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ and knock yourself out. g Nothing will serve you better at the moment than a bit of patience. Regards; Charlie Mahan - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 12:29:46 up 1:05, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.20, 0.29 A critic is a bundle of biases held loosely together by a sense of taste. -- Whitney Balliett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/orpbG11CaRuZZSIRAmfuAJ9m6TC2mCwOKz3SkoX9+XZLWf2usACcDqZG 7ImT+68+6UELvA9Me55yQsY= =5jOv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] K3b .10-2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 28 October 2003 07:03, Bryan Phinney wrote: For anyone that has a DVD-Burner and is looking for a GUI tool for burning, K3b has a new version out and they have added DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW support to the tool. You should simply need to download the new .rpm's linked on the site and install and you are up and running with the new version. Not sure if they work with 9.2 but they certainly work on my 9.1 system. On another note, the latest version of xcdroast also adds support for DVD+R/+RW as well. I don't see why it wouldn't work Brian. I've been running the cvs .10 version for a few weeks. The only thing I don't like is the job completion sound. g Have fun everybody. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 13:25:48 up 1:28, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.11, 0.14 Many a bum show has been saved by the flag. -- George M. Cohan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ntE4G11CaRuZZSIRAgT9AKCdqCJlgQECHym+dhsLp8uCrcTC4QCfdkPd 6bxDHhIuhtJJBpSc6F9wES4= =XUiN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 28 October 2003 13:11, Schwartz Avi wrote: I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them? Can they even afford it? Avi Lol, I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it.. LG, should be paying for it because the problem is with them.. not mandrake.. The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround.. which they already have it seems. Franki, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately many people have mouths bigger than brains. Anne Anne, Your comment was not about me, right? Now let me ask you a question. If Microsoft had released a new version of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage? Avi The LG drive problem should never have happened. Period. LG should never have claimed that they don't support or test on GNU/Linux and then package CD-ROM drives in a box stating Compatible with Slackware either. What the hell do they think Slack is; a version of Windows for lazy bastards? Since most of the hardware manufacturers on the planet have been in thrall to Microsoft for so many years, and since everything that will work with an Apple is _totally_ controlled by Apple, why shouldn't we blame MS for this one too? Or Apple. Or both. I just Googled LG cdrom problems and their track record seems to be a bitspotty to say the least. Do you have a point to make or are you just trolling? That's OK, trolls can be filtered easily enough. On this mailing list this subject now goes directly to /dev/null since there's apparently nothing new to be learned. Gotta go. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 14:40:18 up 2:43, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.08 You own a dog, but you can only feed a cat. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nuZbG11CaRuZZSIRAqebAJ9dDAI9rj+2c4zTAsdFzGhcIGFa3wCgo3p2 pJxjKR1lfxYxn0F1J3pYP+4= =KAOS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CDROM fails on detection
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 23, 2003 12:47 pm, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At 07:23 PM 10/22/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): LeRoy Duvall Linux user #258988 OK, this is perhaps a little off-topic, but I am still a newbie.g What does this Linux user # thing mean? Click the link in my signature and you'll find out. g Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-18mdk The best security update for Windows that I've found is the installer for Mandrake Linux. Especially the Use Entire Disk option. (-; -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mCc3G11CaRuZZSIRAklmAJ0Uy0G6UEN02m1L0/v3oMmAogivogCglACV 57vrUtsWyFIhGHY9FyGLXBE= =4vHI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] screensavers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 22, 2003 04:01 am, Paul Kaplan wrote: Where are the kscreensaver modules? I installed 9.2 from the download CDs and they're not visible in the control center. TIA Paul A workaround taken from bugzilla: Do: mkdir /usr/share/applnk-mdk.hidden ln -s /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers /usr/share/applnk-mdk.hidden/ It worked for me in 9.2rc2 and 9.2 final http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5556 Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake 9.2 (Five Stars) 2.4.22-12.tmb.1mdk 09:23:10 up 17:01, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.20, 0.48 IBM Pollyanna Principle: Machines should work. People should think. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lqF5G11CaRuZZSIRAuxiAKCEyppqBcax6wFnVOjzNBlOhvdrkQCggEoL wFMoVL/VF3gS4k/giZk8fdU= =XOta -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Googling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 20, 2003 04:14 pm, Margot wrote: [..] I have my home page set to www.google.co.uk and not www.google.com - a tip I picked up from a friend, very useful because it gives the option of searching UK sites only as an alternative to searching whole of www so gives quicker results when I need something UK-specific. I don't know if there are other national versions of google, but it might be worth a look. No problems with google.co.uk recently - maybe on different servers from google.com? How about: http://www.google.co.uk/linux I think they localize search pages for any country code. For narrowing it down further to GNU/Linux topics just add linux to the end. Sometimes it's a huge time saver. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 16:36:05 up 30 days, 5:59, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.41, 0.33 A snake lurks in the grass. -- Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lGQdG11CaRuZZSIRAgKNAJ96Qs+DOdqip4kFoMSH7TWINvebVwCfc5UL JFDDAi2d4p5vFiLj0l+PDzY= =uRwM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] adding a new HDD to a dual boot system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 12:24 am, Merlin Zener wrote: Hi, I found an 80G HDD that I'd forgotten I'd brought over here with me in my luggage; I'd like to add it to my existing dual boot Mandrake 9.0 and WIN2KPRO system. I temporarily put it in my external USB case and found it's formatted as NTFS and it's got some MP3s on it I'd like to keep... So I was thinking, if I connect it as slave on the first IDE channel and then boot into windoze to copy the files on it to CDR before re-formatting it as FAT32, will Linux then find it on the next reboot? If it's connected and you have harddrake set to check for new hardware on boot it should be found. It won't be mounted (I don't think) but that's easy enough to work around. Don't quote me on that though, it's been awhile. Or you could keep using it as a USB device. Or will the dual boot software spit the dummy when it sees a new hard drive it doesn't know about? Is there any possibility of screwing something up? [ie: losing files, making my system unbootable, etc...?] There's always the possibility to have things screw up with any piece of hardware but it's unlikely you'll loose anything. As long as you don't try to write anything to it from Mandrake while it's still formatted NTFS. AND Can someone point me to a document or URL that explains in simple terms how Linux names drives/partitions and how to find out the relationship between the partitions and the naming scheme? For example, if I look at my HDD in Konquerer, I see a bunch of directories but no way to see the partitions [aside from /mnt/cdrom]. But when Googling I found somewhere that told me to type ls /dev/hd*, which gives me this: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4269/1/ http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x1139.html http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/install-guide/ch-partitions.html http://www.newtolinux.org.uk/tutorials/partition-mounting.shtml The directories in / aren't just directories, some are named partitions. You can open a terminal and type df to see the structure and usage of partitions on an hard drive. Or open KDiskFree and you'll see it graphically. The command above is an acronym for disk free. Both methods will, as stated already, give partition number (hda1, hda5, hdb1 etc) as well as total space, how much of the available space is spoken for, and how much is left. OK? Or did you need something else? [EMAIL PROTECTED] merlin]# ls /dev/hd* /dev/hda@ /dev/hda2@ /dev/hda6@ /dev/hda8@ /dev/hdd@ /dev/hda1@ /dev/hda5@ /dev/hda7@ /dev/hda9@ How do I find out what directory is on what partition, and how much space is available on each? And when I add the new HDD [which I want to use for video editing files and MP3s etc] is it possible or advisable to move existing partitions or directories to it? See above. Or ask if you need something else, it's late and I'm stuck on stupid again. g TIA, -- Merlin Zener Piano, Synthesizer Thailand. registered Linux user number 328618 HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 01:36:53 up 28 days, 14:59, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.21, 0.46 We are Microsoft. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kkLqG11CaRuZZSIRAuwoAJ4lP/WzbGTT2dHIrI+OzjorqFuc8ACdHDzD odyorGKypNeSJjxLxuqgiRY= =5xzA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] question on install Mandrake on second partition
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October 19, 2003 12:22 pm, pencuse wrote:
Hi,
I have such configuration on my PC from an OEM:
- Windows HP Home Edition with latest updates
- 40 GB HDD: (C: 20 GB/NTFS, D:20 GB/FAT32)
My intention is to install Linux on partition D:
but I don't want to stop using Win XP on C:.
Please note that as a user I have never used D:
(no file, no application, just no user invention).
If you don't have an actual Windows XP install disk you don't want to do that.
D:\ is your restore partition designed to work in conjunction with the
restore disks you got from the Manufacturer in order to restore the machine
to Factory Fresh configuration. Even if you do have an install disk other
than the restore disks you will loose any vendor specific hardware drivers.
Bottom line, you don't want to alter D: unless there is an update from the
manufacturer for your system.
I am continuously collecting info about Linux install
on existing partitions to be quite safe to install
Linux, but I still have some questions that I have
not been able to find their answers:
1. In D: (I think it will be named as /hdb in
Mandrake install program), I have found 2 hidden
directories:
- Recycled
- _restore{some_code}
In GNU Linux that drive which is actually a partition would still be part of
the hda numbering. hdb would be for a separate drive. That includes CD-Rom,
CD-RW, DVD, hard drives, etc.
In _restore... directory, there are directories
named as RPxxx (xxx: any number) and in these
hidden directories there are such files:
*.log, *.ini, RestorePointSize. The directories
are created in arbitrary days (for some reason
I do not know).
Part of the XP recovery system. Again, you don't want to change any of that
stuff if you still want a functioning XP install.
I have used System Restore just once (for USB drive)
and have never used any other Restore Point.
Q: If I install Linux on D:, will the System Restore
integrity in Win XP be corrupted? I think System
Restore utility is not programmable to one
partition. I have thought to disable System Restore
from D: in order to install Linux here.
Yes. Also when you next use the restore disks you'll lose Mandrake entirely or
the file system will be so corrupted it will not be bootable.
2. According to the information above, do you
recommend me to create 2 partitions out of D: with
Mandrake install program, in order to prevent
damage to hidden files in D:?
It would help to know what the machine actually is but it may not make a
difference. Most of these Restore Disk specials from OEMs will always
return the system to original factory condition and will claim the entire
hard drive as it was originally partitioned. The one exception that I've
managed to force was adding a larger hard drive with enough space to retain
the old settings, still have room for Mandrake to live in, and use your
choice of disk imaging utility to transfer everything from the original to
the new after installing Mandrake and using the diskdrake tool to set the
partitions to exactly the same size they were on the original disk. I didn't
do it cheaply for the person I last set this up for either.
Thank you very much for your patience in advance.
Tell the list what the machine is, any details you can, and someone will
likely be able to help you find a way to attain your goal.
Welcome to Open Source, and the Mandrake Community.
Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Scanner (SCSI) question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 01:02 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: [..] I have a SCSI scanner (it works great - thats why I've not switched to a USB model yet), an Astar Umax 1200s. What I'm trying to figure out is how to get it recognized after bootup if I forget to turn it on. snip So I tried that, as root, issuing a: echo scsi add-single-device 1 0 5 0 /proc/scsi/scsi because my scanner is dev. #5, and its on SCSI 1. However, cdrecord --scanbus does not recognize it, nor does Xsane. Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions? (this is not essential - but it would be nice to have a way to start it after bootup instead of having to reboot). Thanks all! What happens if you turn it on and run harddrake from the MCC or harddrake2 from a terminal? Have you tried just turning it on and running (as su) ldconfig? I'm sure there is a simple way to do it D.L. but since I don't have any SCSI devices here to play with I'm probably talking through my hat.As usual. (-; Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:27:43 up 29 days, 2:50, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.29, 0.31 Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kuafG11CaRuZZSIRAlyPAJ9aLnotpy5oeGSaMAycX2U8qLZBbACdHb2G pRjyZ2rTKhwnLXfRAwYP1N0= =BJq3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] question on install Mandrake on second partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 02:03 pm, pencuse wrote: whack Hi Charlie, hi folks, please read my 1e-9 $ comments below: If you don't have an actual Windows XP install disk you don't want to do that. D:\ is your restore partition designed to work in conjunction with the restore disks you got from the Manufacturer in order to restore the machine to Factory Fresh configuration. Even if you do have an install disk other than the restore disks you will loose any vendor specific hardware drivers. I have found some points thru which I would not agree with you. In case of any mis-information, please forgive me: The OEM has configured the system as I want, ie. I have asked them to partition my 40 GB drive to 2 partitions. The only bird I could not shot was that they have not formatted 2nd partition as NTFS. Fortunately, this seems to be good to play with the HDD for Linux/Mandrake. Nothin' to forgive. You were clarifying the information you previously provided and that's always a Good Thing.© (-: Yes, shared FAT32 or leaving that partition was a good plan for you. You could have done what you wanted even if the partition was NTFS but all data on it would have been lost and Windows would probably have complained bitterly. Not that anyone pays attention to those complaints as long as it still boots and runs. I have just made a quick-search on System Restore in Windows XP and on my PC, here is what I have found: Each partition has its own - Recycler directory - System Volume Information hidden directories. It really doesn't matter what's there as long as it isn't using a significant pertion of the space at present. Make things easier for yourself. I'm certain you'll see other recommendations but I'd shrink (there's a resize option in the diskdrake graphical installer that you can use) the D: drive to a much smaller size when you install Mandrake Linux, leaving some space for expansion and the aforementioned sharing between operating systems. Mandrake will be able to view the entire disk but as Windows is configured by default it can't see any space not formatted to a Windows file system type. Since you have 20 GB roughly to play with I'd probably give 15 of that to Mandrake for the install and leave the other 5 FAT32. But that's just me. I'm all about easy transitions for new Mandrakians. Recycler on each partition seems to be controllable thru Recycle Bin options. Recycle Bin is parametric, ie. it recycles each partition in that partition with the hidden folder called Recycler. Now, if I disable Recycler on D:, Recycler folder can be removed. That will all be OK once you resize the partition to install Mandrake. Windows isn't completely inflexible after all, my concern initially was that you'd have to fight with a proprietary restore disk and cause yourself endless grief. Since you won't because you have the actual Windows XP disk you should be fine. I have also found that System Restore can be turned off on a partition basis, so System Volume Info on D: can be removed as well. Yes but you won't need to probably. Just resize the partition and the first time you boot Windows after it will run a check on it's modified home(s). Apart from these directories, there is not any file, folder or any other ash. So these info above makes me more hopefully to install Linux without big problems. Should be OK. Barring Acts of God and the cussedness of Man. In GNU Linux that drive which is actually a partition would still be part of the hda numbering. hdb would be for a separate drive. That includes CD-Rom, CD-RW, DVD, hard drives, etc. Ok, I understood. Part of the XP recovery system. Again, you don't want to change any of that stuff if you still want a functioning XP install. I don't think that will create problem if I disable System Restore on partition D:, because there is nothing on it. You can still use system restore from a resized D: drive. As I posted above Windows will complain the first time but it should shut up after that. After I have seen that System Restore can be turned off/on on each partitioning basis, I think there seems to be no problem to go on. Doesn't matter if you do or not but it's been handy for the friends I have that still use Windows XP for some things. It just makes the OS a bit less weak to be able to restore it from a Last known Good Configuration. Also a lot faster than a full re-install. Maybe I have used the wrong abbrev for the company I have bought the PC. The OEM is not like Dell or HP. They just configure the hardware as I want, called noname PC. I reside in Turkey, maybe I confuse the terms to describe some things, very sorry for that. Thanks for clearing it up. Your plan is reasonable and you should be able to do things that way with minimal fuss. Since I have noname PC, there is no restore disk or something for me.
Re: [newbie] encrypted email to/from windows/linux howto?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 02:52 pm, Merlin Zener wrote: Hello, I'm using Evolution on Mandrake 9.0, and I'd like to be able to send/receive encrypted emails to my friends [and my Mum], most of whom use Outlook on WIN2K. I managed to work out how to generate my public key using gpg --gen-key, and I uploaded it to wwwkeys.pgp.net. So, can anyone point me to a set of basic instructions I can send to my Windoze friends so they can install whatever is needed on the other side to read/write encrypted email from Outlook? Oh, and btw: should I put my public key in my .sig? TIA, -- Merlin Zener Piano, Synthesizer Thailand. Howdy Merlin; http://www.pgpi.org/products/pgp/versions/freeware/ will get your family and friends a copy of PGP for Windows. If I recall correctly the docs that were included were fairly comprehensive for installation and configuration. However; http://www.verysimple.com/scripts/support_pgp_win.html is supposed to be a decent site for newbie friendly information. I've never read it but a friend recommended it so YMMV. Personally since I'm such a dyed in the wool Open Source nut I'd probably recommend: http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/download/ and go from there. Two choices but that's the beauty of the community here, isn't it? As for the BTW at the end of your post, why not just set the mail client to always sign messages so we'll all know it's really you? (-; Install kgpg (should work in GNOME too I think) and set it up. If I remember correctly there are rpms for most recent versions of Mandrake. If not; http://devel-home.kde.org/~kgpg/download.html or; http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2003-February/017089.html for a link and instructions. It parks an applet beside the klipper on the task bar. Graphics for the command line challenged among us. Which occasionally applies to me as well. g Best; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 15:35:58 up 28 days, 4:58, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.16, 0.11 Don't shout for help at night. You might wake your neighbours. -- Stanislaw J. Lem, Unkempt Thoughts -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kbYyG11CaRuZZSIRAmZWAKCNNTYgdA27L8hOhAZY+qV0oQswgQCfW3mP eizEiUEK6L3xrHk7f8kYVMQ= =/CrZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] help installing bittorrent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 17, 2003 02:09 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 03:09 pm, Charlie M. wrote: I guess the texstar source has to be added to use it with 9.1 from the urpmi command or from software manager. Hope it helps. Charlie Sure does - I guess it was where I don't have Texstar added as a software source right now. Thank much! I often wish all my friends were as easy to please as the members of this community. (-; Have fun, and sorry for the late reply. Blame it on those aforementioned friends around here. g C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 16:01:05 up 28 days, 5:24, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08 It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we're dumb, then god is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side. - -- Frank Zappa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kbiUG11CaRuZZSIRAsQ4AKCbi2t026jlu2paISU9fK3mMtLnXwCeLsjl WdOa+XUafuNjkSwwak/JVLA= =gEvR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 torrent, I was wrong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 17, 2003 07:56 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: [..] When BT froze (not BT's fault), I rebooted to change some bios settings for the ram. I've since learned why BT wouldn't start up again after I rebooted. My connection is dynamic, and my IP had changed when I reconnected. You need to d/l a new mytorrent-userID.torrent file every time your IP changes. Otherwise you'll get that 'can't connect to tracker' error. Somehow I missed that instruction, but luckily d/l'd a new torrent file on a hunch ;) AFAIK, to make your own CD's you need to d/l the entire 9.2 tree and use 'mkcd' to create CD's from it, specifying size (650, 700 mb). You'll need to look for and study any docs you can find. I've never done it. Probly be easier to make a floppy image and do a ftp install. Tho I've never done that either ;) FTP installs are problematic even with a moderately fast broadband connection. My cable routinely connects to mirrors at 300 to 400 KB/sec and an install still takes more than 2 hours on average. Depends on the number of packages selected though I suppose. I believe an hd install from a local mirror made using rpmsync, fmirror, or rsync would save grief. Assuming of course the space for the trees is available. Making a set of disks is not really hard, just aggravating. Syntax has to so precise and the flags need to be in a specific order to make it work. I've managed it a few times but it may just lead to frustration. Just another comment: Over 4,400 people have gotten the complete iso's, but only 318 are currently still online to upload them to others. That's not very nice. Seems a lot of people got theirs and then selfishly disconnected. The torrent idea depends on people staying online specially after they're d/l is complete. http://torrent.mandrakesoft.com:6969/ Depressing isn't it? The last time torrent was used to share the ISOs (RC2) I had already rsync-ed a set from one of the mirrors and fed back the upload at an average of 60 KB/sec for more than a week. The same thing was happening then. I'd still make the bandwidth available again, but I have no intention of accessing the club torrents to get the ISOs. There are too many willing to download and not enough willing to return the favour. I'll just wait for the 7 disk Power Pack CDs Only set to get here. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 08:50:44 up 26 days, 22:13, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.12, 0.39 When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her. -- Sacha Guitry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kAeeG11CaRuZZSIRAhpCAJ0e6RhPfN2PuSj2CokAjhwBGTamlwCeI8Iw r6QELJfIPKGItvOqzQbgoCI= =4/Qa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 torrent, I was wrong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 17, 2003 08:18 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: [..] We stayed up for 24hrs but it was slowing down my office connection to the point where I had to shut it off this morning. How do I turn it back on for uploads over the weekend? Lee The same way you started it to begin with. It will check the files and resume upload as though it were a fresh download, but only connects for uploads and shows as complete, uploading. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:17:41 up 26 days, 22:40, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.08 Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kAioG11CaRuZZSIRAtr6AJ0RFDqflb/tWbXsWUgWnjrqaTEQ3gCfZR0a sSuM27+dnsHVVn7bPjyDVhw= =uC1r -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla Mail dropping the POP connection
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 08:18 pm, The Other wrote: [..] The problem was I would be reading and writing emails, doing some surfing, and then get a popup alert telling me the POP server connection timed out, when using Mozilla. Set the mozilla mail application to check for messages at an interval less than the time out for the ISP mail servers. If the connection is not active most ISPs have their mail servers set to drop the connection after a specific interval. I believe Mozilla Messenger is set to check for new messages at 10 minutes by default. Reduce it to 5 or less and see if that keeps the connection alive for you. You can find that in Mail and Newsgroup settings or some such under the edit button when the application is open. It should be in the server settings section of the dialogue. As a test, I'm going to use KMail for a while and see if the problem returns. I'm using KPPP as my modem dial. If memory serves, there was a parament in the setup dialog that said something about the PPP connection. Maybe I need to increase the value to 100,000 or so other ridiculously large number. That will be my next try if KMail starts to time out. Just try the simple stuff above first. It's been an awfully long time since I had to work through a dial-up connection, or even help anyone with one, but I do recall that changing settings in the dial up daemon can bite. Be careful. Thanks for the interest, John. The Other. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:20:52 up 26 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.10, 0.09 A truth that's told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent. -- William Blake -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kAv3G11CaRuZZSIRAk/sAJ9KsDLqDPDyUU5HiGFeSq+3W+17NACeMOjM NAk+agXV47lLCISdWw97z7U= =FjUW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] help installing bittorrent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 09:27 pm, Stormjumper wrote: hi, this must really sound stupid. The only stupid questions to my way of thinking are the ones you *don't* ask. (-; am trying to install bittorrent to dl 9.2, using the rpm as listed on the web page. requires python 2.3, which i dun have on Mandrake 9.1. I don't know if you need a specific version for the torrent to download. Have you tried, in light of the media sources you listed below, just opening a terminal and switching to super user and typing; urpmi bittorrent and accepting the To satisfy dependencies the following packages are going to be installed? prolly 9.2 has python 2.3, but i can't get it until i get bittorrent. i've sources for distro, updates, contrib and plf (for 9.1) added. shouldn't bittorrent rpm for mandrake be available somewhere, or did my sources mess up? thanks Don't be too wound up with specific versions of applications/packages. urpmi will satisfy dependencies for your version of Mandrake Linux in most cases. Good luck. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:36:29 up 26 days, 22:59, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.13, 0.11 Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two parts which are unobtainable, and three parts which are still under development. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kA5JG11CaRuZZSIRAmNcAJsHt5FDexMCTbXtksHKgobF7zCouwCgpkB/ kCVyBWWokb2OB47r98Mu7UI= =ASfl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 13, 2003 06:01 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: whack Charlie: Moron? You're mellowing. -- cmg Hi CMG; Oops. Sorry. )-: I'll behave. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:06:32 up 27 days, 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.12, 0.06 Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kCI+G11CaRuZZSIRAo4UAJ4r0QV92YFaACWuBXsR4vU8ZqjAkgCdEClH NQBhqp4Cv3tAgNjKpyUK+qE= =N2ft -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] help installing bittorrent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 17, 2003 12:52 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 11:44 am, Charlie M. wrote: urpmi bittorrent and accepting the To satisfy dependencies the following packages are going to be installed? here, that command returns a no package named bittorrent message. Howdy D.L.; Interesting. My bad; sorry. )-: I went back through my notes and found that I actually first installed bit torrent for 9.1 from texstar's RPM. I later re-installed it from cooker when I cooked this box completely. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms/bittorrent-3.3-2tex.noarch.rpm I know that URL is going to wrap. Sorry again. I guess the texstar source has to be added to use it with 9.1 from the urpmi command or from software manager. Hope it helps. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:00:55 up 27 days, 2:23, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.17, 0.11 A bureaucrat's idea of cleaning up his files is to make a copy of everything before he destroys it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kD5cG11CaRuZZSIRAvwRAKCw3iqSchZHm9rAEGBZcuMKJJOtwwCeIy98 8J/6mcuuTs4W2t/4gT1Az7k= =dDeB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Mandrake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 12:19 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: JB, OK then should be quite simple, and as a newbie you don't want to be remaking everything and reinstalling everything including the windblows OS's . So basically it's the size of the last partition on the second drive that you have to play with, and it's only large enough to do an ordinary install of the main Mandrake OS. I find on first install the basic install results in 1.6gigs or there abouts, but with use that soon becomes 2.4 to 2.6 gigs, don't ask me why I don't know why but if you want most things to play with like kde, OO, the media stuff etc etc. that's how it becomes. I think if I were you I would just keep to / base and /swap partition. So when you rerun the Mandrake install when you come to diskdrake you must select the last partition and unmake it so it's not defined as anything and then create a / and a /swap partition, and alow diskdrake to format and then proceed to install. Make life easy on yourself. Follow John's recipe but instead of making partitions after deleting that last partition on hdb and manually making partitions you may not understand, use the auto allocate button and then click done. You won't have to worry about swap size, the auto allocate built into the installer will set an appropriate size for the hardware it found to install on, and you should end with a /, /swap and /home partition built into that 4.03 GB space. If I recall correctly. Since at least 95% of the people that I've helped install Mandrake Linux for the first time have reinstalled and claimed more disk space for it, and less for Windows, it's usually only a temporary measure anyway. (-: The next question is how big a swap partition should you make, and unless you have megga memory the general rule is 1 1/2 to 2 times the size of you physical memory. Remember that the /swap partition is there to act as additional memory storage, the system pages out certain things stored in memory and holds them in the swap partition untill the memory stick is freed for it's return. It's a way of making your memory perform as a bigger stick of memory than it really is and in windblows it's called virtual memory but instead of it being a defined partition, it's a file on the OS with preset physical limits. So go ahead and create your partitions and install your OS . Good luck. John J.B. wrote: Just a slightly different perspective. When offered choices pick the ones that make the most sense to you. Worry about the technical details of things such as file system types, mount points, etc after you've gained some experience through living with the operating system for a while. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:22:25 up 26 days, 1:45, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.04 It's a summons. What's a summons? It means summon's in trouble. -- Rocky and Bullwinkle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/juTSG11CaRuZZSIRAhh/AKCPH7YWwWJvoAufOLBsnXRaJ08wegCdG6sN jLGER9pNz0Z98iHDcBeNFCQ= =JoZl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 12:21 pm, Margot wrote: [..] I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists, and many of them post a regular reminder of list netiquette, politely requesting no hijacking, top-posting, HTML or attachments, and briefly giving the reasons why these things are frowned upon. I don't have the technical skills to do this myself, but would someone here be able to compose a suitable message and automatically post it to the list - weekly maybe? Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:37:41 up 26 days, 2:00, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.05 well-adjusted, adj.: The ability to play bridge or golf as if they were games. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/juWKG11CaRuZZSIRAsHGAKCfqEJH8gHMMlrn1uTXVDL0xKgNxwCfX0/8 esFQ+3pMnfVSJrSH1KpFoEA= =94eN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mirrors already deleting 9.1/contrib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 15, 2003 05:21 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 15 Oct 2003 11:51 am, ed tharp wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:48, Derek Jennings wrote: Just a heads up. Even though Mandrake 9.2 only came out yesterday I have noticed that 9.1/contrib has **already** been deleted from my favourite mirror (rediris.es) If anyone has trouble installing packages then check your mirror. I have also noticed that on rediris.es 9.2/contrib does not have an hdlist2.cz file so I cannot use it as a urpmi source. I am not too worried at the moment because I am running Cooker (virtually identical to 9.2) Has anyone got a good mirror for 9.2/contrib ? derek is this deleted? or moved from current Yes deleted current still points to 9.1 derek I looked for an hdlist2.cz on every mirror I could reach yesterday, no such beast in any of the 9.2 trees. Still none showing now either. Like you I have this box cooked so it hardly matters, and if I really needed to I could sync a 9.2 tree locally and force a genhdlist against that. Probably/maybe/could be. (-: It's what I've done to generate current cooker ISOs to burn to install from for friends; with the proviso that it's *cooker* and risky, and they only get it if they join the club or buy a box set or at least the Discovery Edition from the store. Or both. If they want my help they'll play by my rules or find someone else to bug. g Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:37:55 up 24 days, 23:00, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.10, 0.09 Ad astra per aspera. [To the stars by aspiration.] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/jWwxG11CaRuZZSIRAimzAJj1q8dY4jkgBKgFRwHXI0SRa0RTAJ94Mgcd pN8yryibfoao7aEu97EIlg== =Bnu5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Telewest broadband connection - nogo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 15, 2003 03:49 am, Len Lawrence wrote: Well I am about to shoot myself, again! Finally made the decision to go broadband, having been advised on this list that there would be no difficulty with a Linux system. Contacted Telewest BlueYonder, and the technician turned up today, and found he could not install the modem because there is no Windows machine in the house. He could not install the hardware and leave it without it being configured and presumably talking to base. All he would do is load a CD into Windows, if it were available, and let it run. His supervisor gave him some story about having to run the Windows setup before the modem could be used. I am so completely ignorant about networking that I could not even begin to suggest how we might go about experimenting with it to try and get the modem recognised and the connection working. All I could give the poor lad was the MAC address of eth0 and all he knew was that the connection needed to be configured under DHCP. That should have been sufficient Len. Can anybody tell me just what information would be required for a simple standalone setup? And is it true that the cable modem can only be initialized by proprietary software? No it isn't true. At least here in Canada. The cable company here has the usual disclaimer programmed into the hell desk denizens too but they never argue about any software required, just a way to configure the hardware. The local tel-co told a neighbour of mine last Wednesday that they couldn't support 'lienux' (that's how the lad pronounced it) since their ADSL software was designed for Windows only. I called customer service for her and told them that was crap, since the only requirement they actually have is the hardware address of the NIC. They shut up and did it manually and she's running a Cooker install. She has since ordered a Discovery Edition of Mandrake Linux 9.2 Canicule. She really likes it. Says Windows sure sucks compared to this, doesn't it? I have perused various HOWTOs without seeing exactly what kind of information is needed. IP addresses of course. Presumably I could badger Telewest to give me those in written form, but what else? The dialup connection was simple to configure because Demon provided all the relevant parameters. The DHCP servers have to log the MAC address against an assigned IP number activate the lease then enable DNS access and response. That is all, as far as I've ever been able to determine, any connection to an ISP requires. Good luck Len. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:48:53 up 24 days, 23:11, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.07 The rich get rich, and the poor get poorer. The haves get more, the have-nots die. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jW/zG11CaRuZZSIRAh9yAJ4vgJviv1jnuBTa6QXBFQ5uFu6nCACdGP+4 hgHMkJBrzni0EV3iIgWkr+g= =pJKQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mirrors already deleting 9.1/contrib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 15, 2003 10:25 am, rikona wrote: Hello Derek, Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 1:48:49 AM, you wrote: DJ Just a heads up. DJ Even though Mandrake 9.2 only came out yesterday I have noticed that DJ 9.1/contrib has **already** been deleted from my favourite mirror DJ (rediris.es) This was the topic I brought up a short time ago before 9.2 came out. I was worried 9.1 code would disappear quickly. The same thing happened when 9.1 came out (I was till trying to get 9.0 running). I finally switched to 9.1 because it was too hard to get the 9.0 programs I was looking for. List members were reassuring me that the 9.1 code would be around for a while and there would be no problems getting 9.1 code when 9.2 came out. Maybe it's not as easy as everyone was suggesting. :-) Maybe it's a matter of looking for it? The admins of the voluntary mirrors have to count cost as well as anyone else so not all are going to keep the full tree of older versions. Some will though. Such as ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/9.1/ For anyone that wants longer access to contrib directories for non-current versions there's always local mirroring with rsync. The entire tree for almost any recent Mandrake Linux release, main, contrib and SRPMS is around 10 GB. If you can afford the bandwidth and the time it might make sense. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:44:26 up 25 days, 1:07, 1 user, load average: 0.27, 0.09, 0.05 If there isn't a population problem, why is the government putting cancer in the cigarettes? - -- the elder Steptoe, c. 1970 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jYmrG11CaRuZZSIRAqKPAJ4xnSX3U4TTcUO/QA+fz+EZTnTHXwCfd7PB V6+tpkppKZw/4dCH7O8h62U= =DRTK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK9.2 Standard vs. Power Pack.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 15, 2003 11:40 am, Lucio_Costa wrote: Hi All, Can Anyone tell me the difecence between: - 3 ISOs of the Download Edition, - The first 3 ISOs of the PowerPack. Proprietary software like Flash, Acrobat Reader, and various and sundry drivers that can't be shipped with a fully GPL compliant download edition. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:01:17 up 25 days, 1:23, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.10, 0.08 Why do we have two eyes? To watch 3-D movies with. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jYu/G11CaRuZZSIRAo0UAJ0VdpX55mVuJjOKsQeu/YDdyNa9SQCfZiz6 yLfTwLLfWf0r85DPdp5PnHc= =Jf/m -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rwho
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 15, 2003 12:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rwho service is running on my system by default, and it seems that this is responsible for giving information about my system in the event that someone finger's this IP. Only thing is that since I'm using a hardware firewall, I don't think this will work. Am I correct in believing that I might as well turn that service off or does it have some other function? Thanks, Max That would depend on the hardware firewall now wouldn't it? Any service you don't recognize or need (if you need them you are generally expected to know it -;) should be turned off. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:07:19 up 25 days, 1:29, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.06 The Army needs leaders the way a foot needs a big toe. -- Bill Murray -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jY07G11CaRuZZSIRAtG2AJ9osC7fdLSkjnEle9xI3xPHkYVfQQCfWu8/ xuHcR+ZImONO5Ir/crDqU2A= =xGKO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Adding files to CD-RW with k3b
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 13, 2003 08:25 pm, Trey Sizemore wrote: I have burned some data (.mp3 files) on a CD-RW using k3b. It only used about half of the disk. Now I want to add some additional files to it (new session?) but can't seem to find a way to take more files and add to the existing CD-RW disk. Am I missing something. Should I have saved the first burn as a session? Thanks. Yes. Yes. Yes. g You'll probably have to copy the files off the CD-RW and then blank the disk, then in the new project select multi seesion in order to do what you want. Multi session is slightly wasteful (about 10 MB waste per session IIRC) but less so than not using the space available. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 10:05:40 up 23 days, 23:28, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.21, 0.27 If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jB+nG11CaRuZZSIRArV+AKCqN+0R1UJOSEuX8qqUCAdQ/PcWlwCcDVvm uGNctv0oNkj3rx2UX6oI7Ck= =jAIL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 12:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, I'm currently downloading it via FTP: ftp.phys.ttu.edu whack That's RC2; NOT 9.2. Those ISOs are more than a month old and there are so many updates between that and current cooker that you may as well just do as Tom suggests and go for a full cooker upgrade. That would actually involve less bandwidth than what you're doing. Or just do a network install from the 9.2 tree on the same machine. Probably just as fast. BTW don't toss the ISOs you already have, you can rsync them to the actual release when it's available on the mirrors. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:56:53 up 24 days, 2:19, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.28, 0.26 Academy: A modern school where football is taught. Institute: An archaic school where football is not taught. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jElVG11CaRuZZSIRApm5AJwMiVfK6W0FJlmskWaKW0bt7bnh+QCdGE/o ML8Dsbovo6DCAhJK2c4kSWo= =Pn9A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 01:26 pm, Yoel P. Krigsman wrote: Can someone tell me HOW i can do this? I already have the ISO for RC2 of 9.2 thanks! YPK See the Community Wiki. I believe it's been added there, http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome if not it's still on Greg's page at: http://cybercfo.gkmweb.com/rsync-mandrakeiso.html It won't do you any good until the ISOs are available on the mirrors that are set for rsync though. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:37:17 up 24 days, 2:59, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.12, 0.09 It's raisins that make Post Raisin Bran so raisiny ... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jFGzG11CaRuZZSIRAlVQAJ0Tnwe8GUxXjHEu3oFyIv8bDWTWOgCfQW09 NwiS0PqD5sOaB1yUmN5hBq8= =up7B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 01:22 pm, Thorsten von Plotho-Kettner wrote: Um, I'm currently downloading it via FTP: ftp.phys.ttu.edu whack That's RC2; NOT 9.2. Those ISOs are more than a month old and there are so many updates between that and current cooker that you may as well just do as Tom suggests and go for a full cooker upgrade. That would actually involve less bandwidth than what you're doing. You can use: ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS for [urpmi --auto-select] your 9.1-Mandrake. Am I right? Thorsten You should be able to, with some restrictions; you need a fast enough connection to make it worthwhile, you need to change the Path to hdlist/synthesis to reflect the new tree you're pulling from. If you have the space on your system I'd recommend that you ftp the 9.2 tree (all of it including contrib) from any mirror you can find it on to a local directory and make a boot floppy or CD using the hd.img from /Mandrake/base. You can quite likely do a hard drive upgrade install that way. But you're still better off doing it Tom's way. Remember that at the moment there's very little difference between cooker and 9.2 Canicule anyway. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:42:53 up 24 days, 3:05, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08 If someone says he will do something without fail, he won't. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jFwMG11CaRuZZSIRAhueAKCan0tQ3WUMnXM6YUtPm78gi3fBOwCdFUYl oaLSQfQAhM/BV8a1tP95emA= =bVZU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 02:17 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 14 October 2003 19:59, Tom Brinkman wrote: If you don't want to update to 9.2 from cooker mirrors, then about the only viable way to get the iso's is to wait till the end of this month when the iso's should be available by ftp, after the boxed sets are shipping. I agree and support Mandrake doin this, I'm just very disappointed it's currently by bittorrent. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Yep, I'm waiting for that. I'm waiving my silver membership for that.bittorrent sux:( Good luck, HarM I'll still re-up the membership, but it's only a method to support my favourite distribution. I've never logged into the Club site. I suppose I'll have to order the box set from the store since the retail channels here in Canada (this part of it anyway) suck vacuum through a thousand mile long leaky straw. Who the devil has time for the club? C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 14:29:00 up 24 days, 3:51, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.09, 0.13 Sometimes I live in the country, And sometimes I live in town. And sometimes I have a great notion, To jump in the river and drown. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jF1BG11CaRuZZSIRAj9kAJ9kbCsV/iR9mWnTis9y/XYsGePSiwCfVmZ3 2DT+y9zsVUsiEUgyyoFxwm0= =IKcw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to configure Mozilla as my default browser ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 12:58 pm, Flávio Henrique wrote: [..] hehe... thanx... but I'm not so newbi... seems Mozilla is not in my Linux path... even if I hit Alt+f2 and type mozilla, it do not run... I must open the /usr/local/mozilla directory and run mozilla from there... There is no way to, somewhere, setup mozilla as default browser ??? Flávio Henrique H that wouldn't be a manually installed upgrade of Mozilla now would it? If it wasn't installed through the 'regular procedures' then it probably isn't in your path. Can you start Mozilla from the menu? Is it the version of Mozilla you're expecting to run? I've broken Mozilla so badly using the nightly builds in the past that the only way I could use it was to remove all references to the browser from the hard drives and start over. Someone already posted the preferences method to use Mozilla as default for web pages so it might help. But if you installed other than a Mandrake package even that may be problematic. On the other hand I've installed the cooker version of Mozilla in the past and had zero trouble. YMMV Good luck. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 01:25:14 up 22 days, 14:47, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.18 QOTD: Unlucky? If I bought a pumpkin farm, they'd cancel Halloween. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ilUFG11CaRuZZSIRAvRTAJwNAM1pl0no5HCCZq8ocQwL/igyBwCgmWhf tzH+Wq/jeTsTigmna446U6I= =tMgw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] annoying alarm on standby.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 12, 2003 09:49 pm, Aidan Holmes wrote: Thank you all for your help with this issue. I can now confirm that it's definately CPU overheating due to the fan stopping. I left the case off, and then left the computer 'till I heard the alarm again. Upon my return, the cpu fan had stopped, and the heatsink was too hot to touch for more than a second or so. An added bonus was that as i had turned the ceiling light off, i noticed that the case power light was flashing in time with the beeps ( I assume this means that it is a BIOS alarm), something I had not noticed with the room brightly lit. I plan to check out the bios options first when I get home (I'm at work now) and see what difference that makes before trying to mess with any more settings in the software. To aswer a few of your questions, The heatsink does have a pad, not thermal paste. and I have installed Mandrake myself from disks on the front of a Linux how-to book from the local newsagets. (I also bought red hat from the internet, but prefer the mandrake so far) I am running dual boot with Win XP and plan to learn linux the sam way I did windoze, by getting my hands dirty, playing arround and trying things out. It means that this is about my fifth linux re-installation in as many months but I'm learning alot. Hopefully I can completely phase out windoze soon and run a M$ free machine. -Aidan Yeah, if it's that hot I'd be doing some serious cooling system research! Also known as OUCH; a keychain that used to be a processor. Hope you didn't do any major damage Aidan. Good luck. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 01:37:42 up 22 days, 14:59, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.10 Schapiro's Explanation: The grass is always greener on the other side -- but that's because they use more manure. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ilboG11CaRuZZSIRAps3AJ4jX31hBXaAF+7FHrE+U8X7JTIHPACeIm+m Q2lf4OVZJRplTJ9/87Xae4o= =b9nb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from pd7mr1no.prod.shaw.ca (pd7mr1no-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.128]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd7mi4no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.117]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mandy.mts.ru (mandy.mts.ru [81.211.47.3]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maeko.inside.mts.ru (maeko [192.168.10.3]) by mandy.mts.ru with SMTP id h9DGpjI20449 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:51:45 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from SolarisServer [10.2.130.2]) by maeko.inside.mts.ru (NAVGW 2.5.2.12) with SMTP id M2003101320535112760 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 Received: from rtc_srv_nt.kaluga.mts ([10.2.130.1]) by SolarisServer (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09150for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:53:52 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from anydomain [10.2.131.4]) by rtc_srv_nt.kaluga.mts (NAVGW 2.5.1.13) with SMTP id M2003101320535100098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 From: Sms Message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can't deliver SM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: The limit of e-mails for the number newbie has been reached. Try again tomorrow. Is that all they're going to do after Ed sent them a nice message about this problem? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 10:59:55 up 23 days, 22 min, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.10, 0.09 Get Revenge! Live long enough to be a problem for your children! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/itrgG11CaRuZZSIRApBUAJ9IoL6ksaIKiGqLGjVo7kqbES/jYgCgrLiM LyYaAtcEeacPOScCuGxKHFI= =ikpy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 13, 2003 11:18 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 13 October 2003 19:03, Charlie M. wrote: Is that all they're going to do after Ed sent them a nice message about this problem? Charlie How about if we all redirected those sms messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] till they put an end to it. Good luck, HarM I wouldn't have even known the body of the auto-response was different had I not been scoping the trash prior to flushing it. Setting a redirect filter to do that would imply I'm interested in trying to help solve a (previously reported to the offending network admins) 2 month old mistake, and I'm not. For people that are paying for bandwidth on restrictive plans I can see why it would be helpful though. Maybe I'll fiddle about with POP filters and see what I come up with. Duplicate re-direct responses maybe, or higher numbers. Bit of a floodhmmm Having them paying attention to the complaints they've already received would be better though. They don't seem to care any more than the moron that originally tried to set up the offending link on a PDA or cell phone. I apologize for wasting even more bandwidth by posting about it. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:22:18 up 23 days, 1:44, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.07 I think the world is ready for the story of an ugly duckling, who grew up to remain an ugly duckling, and lived happily ever after. -- Chick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ivBVG11CaRuZZSIRAjbTAJ4zesoe3sd2RLzoeFPj/MQjLMT4sgCgpBAg dQn5UrcR5nqPGOswQbOaP6Y= =Jgmy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to configure Mozilla as my default browser ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 13, 2003 11:48 am, Flávio Henrique wrote: [..] Ok... thanx for the tip... I agree with you too... sorry my mistake... That reply was also sent under BCC: to the worst offender I know in this regard so we're even Flávio. She never tells anyone what they need to know to help her unless she's duped into answering trick questions about it. (-: BUT... I think this happens with the version 1.4 (official)... Tonight I will install the version 1.4 and see what happens because days ago I install this version and I do not remember to see Mozilla in my menu and in my default path... I've never seen this behaviour in Mandrake 9.1 using packages from the mirrors. Judging by yesterday's straw poll the opposite is true, out of 5 machines all exhibited the expected behaviour. Including my own and 2 other cooker boxes. but tonight I will make a try and return here... thanx all for the help.. Flávio Henrique I hope it works out. Best of luck to you, but I hope you come back no matter how things go. :-) Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:36:09 up 23 days, 1:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.02 Sir, it's very possible this asteroid is not stable. -- C3P0 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ivI8G11CaRuZZSIRAkKqAJ9xxkDaSZwroXTV1dSU4mQRF1dbyQCgkTPI /i+6f98B5U6A3I/9zdZYkcs= =AjYo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] annoying alarm on standby.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 12, 2003 05:52 am, ed tharp wrote: [..] just a guess, the fan is spinning down to save power, but the CPU is not going all the way to sleep. (zombies?) You beat me to that one Ed. (-: He said he's a total noob though so you may want to stay away from talking about zombies without first explaining that he can see what's running in the background with top in a terminal. And that if any process is marked with the z denoting a zombie that he should try killing it with by striking the k button on his keyboard then typing the PID number and following the prompt. It's all academic anyway isn't it? I still think the alarm may be going off because of a conflict. Whether an APM or ACPI problem, a combination of factors, or something else entirely. He needs to try to give some detail about the install, hardware specifications, etc. Such as; did he do the install, or was it some well meaning soul that didn't explain much and/or possibly didn't know. Since Mandrake Linux won't keep a user from doing silly things this is probably something fairly easy to diagnose and fix for the person with the system in front of him. Rather more difficult for e-mail support though. It's an interesting conundrum though. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 10:41:25 up 22 days, 3 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.09 When the cup is full, carry it level. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iYcuG11CaRuZZSIRAoYHAJwPIZNbIPLB3g4PMQ0iif1tWahAjQCfWzca qxi0Kk9UB/MRSXFUUpqemk4= =lC65 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Phoenix bios
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 12, 2003 05:44 am, John wrote: The newbie mail has provided a lot of info. for me over the last 2 months. Being new, there is a lot to learn even from the OT mail. Example: I have been trying to install md9.1 on a gateway 1450se with xp and phoenix bios. I made the suggested changes in the bios and loaded the cd. Instructions were to reboot and md would start installation process as it did on my win98 system. Didn't work. You can even indicate in the bios whether you have win or other system. I checked several mailing lists and there were no problems loading md on other 1450 laptops. I try to keep everything updated and updated the bios about 4 months ago. After reading mail about phoenix, it makes you wonder if the update was to cut everything out but m$. The only info I have found to help points to a remote control center which supposedly controls the boot process. It is not loaded and was supposed to be on the wn cd. Gateway ships their own cd instead of the wn cd and of course it isn't on that either. What a tangled web they have weaved. Any help would be appreciated on getting md loaded. More importantly, I wanted you to know that you have one more md believer. Your efforts to help and keep us informed are appreciated. john Thanks for the Vote of Confidence John. (-: The following link may be beneficial; http://www.csun.edu/ws/gateway/ Peace; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:02:08 up 22 days, 24 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.04 Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity? -Ronald Reagan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iYkeG11CaRuZZSIRAqe4AJ9OWd5XbmCuaNshQ1nNsFOnJaxjDACgp7ki T92jkuiW4mViswyCu1v8E6w= =MEsq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to configure Mozilla as my default browser ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 10:30 am, Flávio Henrique wrote: Hi I was using Konkeror as internet browser, but I can't install java plugin for Konkeror... So, I downloaded Mozilla and install... but when I hit Alt+F2 and type www.yahoo.com, e.g., the Mandrake opens the webpage in Konkeror... How to configure to the open the pages in Mozilla ?? Thanx in advance... Flávio Henrique Just add mozilla to the command. re: mozilla www.yahoo.com enter God this machine is sick! Ignore the Fortune below. :-) Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:34:48 up 22 days, 56 min, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.11, 0.09 Charlie was a chemist, But Charlie is no more. For what he thought was H2O, Was H2SO4. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iZEOG11CaRuZZSIRAp5EAKCrSGRjKpbFvd4w2tvamq+YA231jACgjnAu 2vDSizycbtLAPJFsJcgr2P8= =IGUo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to configure Mozilla as my default browser ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 14, 2003 10:46 am, Flávio Henrique wrote: [..] Just add mozilla to the command. re: mozilla www.yahoo.com enter doesn't work... The Mandrake can't execute the command... what now ? Flávio Henrique It works for me. On my own system, my (three) downstairs neighbours that run Mandrake Linux 9.1, and my friend that I'm speaking to on the telephone with at the moment. She's running the cooker version from about ten days back. The consensus from here seems to be: typing the command above in the run box and hitting the enter key always works. The part between the angle braces (enter ) is not part of the command. It's an action you perform after you type the command immediately preceding it. To wit: mozilla www.somewebsiteurl.com is the command. Then you strike the enter key to run that command. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:05:24 up 22 days, 1:27, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.18, 0.13 Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iZloG11CaRuZZSIRAkeoAJ93IW6qL3N+p87Yc2MUpLlCmQD8MQCeLsgK zFEmhAaeKoreu0iG4nHApEU= =gEg5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] annoying alarm on standby.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 11, 2003 06:09 am, Aidan Holmes wrote: Can anybody tell me what the annoying (and constant) dee-dah dee-dah dee-dah sound my computer is making is caused by??? it comes on once the computer has been left idle for a while. I haven't timed it, but I think its about 20min. The sound is coming from the system internal speaker and stops once I press any key (although it takes a while to stop). I am running Mandrake 9.0, Aopen all in one motherboard, celeron 1.0GHz and 512Mb RAM. Thanks, Aidan Holmes Might be (probably is in fact) a sensor alarm. Are you running gkrellm and lm_sensors? If so it may be a conflict in the sensor routine. I had this problem once when the sensors were mis-reading the core temperature on my processor. It was reading about 2.5x the actual core temperature and the alarm was going off almost continuously. HTH; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 09:28:20 up 20 days, 22:50, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.13 He was so narrow-minded he could see through a keyhole with both eyes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iCLSG11CaRuZZSIRAnp/AJ9kJU3vKMWZVLp5U72blmFP/t5LMQCgqTDd LTUdfLjut9gbtBaxg0LIT5U= =nANd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for this program
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 8, 2003 12:30 pm, Liechti wrote: hi does anybody know the program on the left, statistic of the system? cpu, ram, eth and so on? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=5801-1.png i use ksim, but i doesnt look very well. would like to have it like on the pict :) remo If you mean the far left of the screen shot it's gkrellm, a front end for lm_sensors. Before you ask: urpmi gkrellm It requires, as stated above, lm_sensors and (maybe but I can't recall) a couple others, but urpmi should take care of the dependencies. The packages required should be on your install disks. There was a thread not long ago on the list about configuration and set up. Check your favourite list archive. It's also themeable so you can choose the look you want. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:49:18 up 18 days, 2:10, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.00 Please don't recommend me to your friends-- it's difficult enough to cope with you alone. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/hF7fG11CaRuZZSIRApLqAJ4ujo3UlHjEneogz+wbsBSgUnAssQCgqLR8 ca+Ab40cxzFzcx/B5KHlImM= =sZ5J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] a mega (mandrake) distro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 7, 2003 01:52 am, Anarky wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 06 October 2003 06:47 pm, Anarky wrote: you know something that i would really LOOVE to see? A 10cd distribution Linux (preferably made out of Mandrake)... if anybdoy feels the same way as me ... where could we pitch this idea with people with enough knowledge power to actually do this? It's called ProSuite and you can pre-order your copy now at the MandrakeStore. I meant a free one, and it could be free with all the free software around. Here are some Fresh ISOs, just like mom used to burn. http://www.linuxiso.org/index.php or maybe here: http://plugintolinux.org/linuxcds.php Do you have any idea how much work goes into all the free software around Anarky? Does anybody else think developers should work for free? Or that MandrakeSoft should be a non-profit company? Take a swing at Debian or Slack or Gentoo or Sorceror if you want free. Or use the free download version of Mandrake Linux and package all of the additional software you want from source. Or download the source code for the software you want, learn how, and build your own distribution. Or if you're truly that impressed with Mandrake Linux, do as Greg posted, and buy a box set or one of the disk only sets. As with all Open Source Software the choices are yours. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 03:27:53 up 16 days, 16:49, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.38, 0.29 Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/goz/G11CaRuZZSIRAiqyAJ9/NQfswD7oksnOvAj5CafBwKqlSQCgnfx8 znkrmHAM+4MiK7pxgb9T5xU= =S76R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 7, 2003 02:44 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: Well it's 4:30 in the morning. I used to be able to scan the list, note some light banter basically wrapped around mdk, mostly one liners exchanged by a few friends ready to jump when the occasional serious question came down the road. Apparently that's gone now. Everyone happy? I don't see much point in sticking around either, frankly. Lee Some of us only get to scan the posts early in the morning or late at night. Same thing maybe? Others get so busy at their regular earn a living tasks they vanish for days at a time. The list seems to cycle between insane traffic levels, and a slow idle routinely Lee. This too shall pass. (-; Stick around, things will pick up again as soon as everyone can get 9.2 and start trying to break it. g Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 03:53:41 up 16 days, 17:15, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.24, 0.25 His eyes were cold. As cold as the bitter winter snow that was falling outside. Yes, cold and therefore difficult to chew... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/go4lG11CaRuZZSIRAgpnAKCIXdZmu4/vj9/YofM44wj/E3UZfwCgpl6n vlOCbBMcZJBtoneURywK8Zw= =tPHe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] a mega (mandrake) distro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 7, 2003 09:03 am, Aron Smith wrote: [..] actually I do, no need to be mean. Not being mean, stating a fact. For more additional software than you can shake a goat at add the contrib tree to the urpmi sources. Just remember that the contrib apps are unsupported. Speaking of which there's also the unsupported tree. Does anybody else think developers should work for free? Or that MandrakeSoft should be a non-profit company? I never said that ... I just would like it if they found way of making profit while still sharing the distro for free earn money of other aspects. That was tried and the company has spent this year in the French equivalent of Chapter 11. Concentration on the core business is required, the core is (or should always be IMHO) the Mandrake Linux distribution. It's hard to convince people to spend money to support the developers that make this possible when the Latest and Greatest edition of the operating system is available as a free download before paying customers receive their copy they bought. Take a swing at Debian or Slack or Gentoo or Sorceror if you want free. Or use the free download version of Mandrake Linux and package all of the additional software you want from source. Or download the source code for the software you want, learn how, and build your own distribution. Or if you're truly that impressed with Mandrake Linux, do as Greg posted, and buy a box set or one of the disk only sets. As with all Open Source Software the choices are yours. Don't forget to give your 9.1 distro to some one who wishes to escape the evil empire I always donate previous box sets, either to the public library or someone that has expressed enough interest to try and use the download edition. Free Download editions are always passed along to utter newbies, and are installed on every system i assemble for anyone. If they won't pay for a Windows license that's what they get to use as an OS. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:28:33 up 17 days, 50 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.13 People say I live in my own little fantasy world... well, at least they *know* me there! -- D.L. Roth -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gvnKG11CaRuZZSIRAkPIAJ9XOK4DYphpYmEnELpK0FHsBXn7sACePJGq Iy8+3IMrnCUqvZhqiPKIJgg= =8kgm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VIA KT600 chipset
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 7, 2003 07:30 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: [..] N B, I've got a KT400a and 9.2. Basically the same chipset as the KT600. Everything should work right out of the box. The 6 channel VIA AC97 works great. You don't really need a 600 unless your gonna use a XP 3200+ with 400Mhz FSB (the only difference between the 400a and 600). Both my chipset and the KT600 support SATA, but from all I've read, I'd stick to usin the ATA/133 ports, and forget SATA with Linux. It won't be any faster, probly slower than /133 anyhow. Thanks Tom. I'll file your response under useful stuff until somebody around here asks me to build something other than a P 4 or dual Athlon machine. Seems to be almost all I'm asked about the last six weeks. Other than the usual K8 (Athlon FX51, Opteron, and AMD 64) requests that can't be filled at the moment simply because no processors or motherboards are available. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:18:13 up 17 days, 39 min, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.25, 0.27 Wrinkles should merely indicate where smiles have been. -- Mark Twain -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gvaJG11CaRuZZSIRAl4KAJ9XC0I4VrPv28YG9eWdy07ChE2wfACdFBQA mQPhrm+UydCZ2G0b8WLysUM= =YGcU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 5, 2003 05:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. Just to save yourself aggravation Windows should always go first. I know it's been said more than once that it shouldn't matter so much with 2000 or XP, and I've set partitions with the Mandrake installer then installed Windows after, but stuff happens and you'll be better off following the conventional Windows first pattern. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Thanks!! You just read it again here. You seem to have at least a basic grasp of the situation in re. the dual boot idea. I'd probably be inclined to just slave the new drive in and install Mandrake. What I'm saying is the 120 GB hard drive will have to be introduced to Windows somehow if you plan to have any part of it accessible from Windows, and the easiest way to do that is to use the Mandrake installer to set the partition table and forget the Windows bootloader. Lilo or Grub are more flexible anyway. NTFS is the default file system for 2000 and XP and it's preferable to FAT32 in _so_ many ways. But...write support for that file system in GNU/Linux is experimental at best, and Linux file system support under Windows isn't much better so you'll probably want a FAT32 buffer partition that both operating systems can save files to. Then you won't have to worry about not having access to things when you are booted to either. Bottom line; do the fresh Windows install and when you have your new drive just slave it in and boot from the first Mandrake install disk, pick the custom partition option and have fun. The graphics for partitioning are very clear. It isn't hard and you'll learn to love the power of making all your own decisions. Welcome to Open Source, and to unlimited choices. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 17:08:15 up 15 days, 6:29, 1 user, load average: 0.31, 0.59, 0.61 It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gKp1G11CaRuZZSIRArSpAJoDx+CjIYk4ACBkYuUvCQii0K2eXwCgr4Ok 6ZsVRiekPhEZOsSKObN441I= =dpzP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 4, 2003 01:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: [..] For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted system. Please don't tell me that you don't think the specific research project identified above, the developers involved, and the agency in control, have never heard of honey traps and tarpits? (-; Or sacrificial decoys; which, with their budget, would likely be standard networking hardware. Oy ... I thought honeypots were illegal now in the US... http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1703 I had thought that (even though I run some) the US system was starting to blast/out-law the simple matter of even running a honey-pot... (What? They're coming to get me here?) stephen kuhn - owner Maybe for everyone except for suck-up corporations that help (hypocritical) Officials to snoop on private communication, and the (hypocritical) agencies controlled (hypocritically) Officially? Besides it only matters (apparently, hypocritically) in the Land of the WHEEE and the home of the depraved. (-; Like you I'll do what I do with my own equipment and be damned to anyone that tries to say no. I won't admit to anything more than knowledge of the words honeypot or tarpit, or the name LaBrea. What are they talking about? What security? Where? Plausible deniability ya know Like you I'm an expatriate U.S. citizen, and if they want that citizenship back I still have Canadian citizenship; plus there are a few broken promises and treaties with various of my ancestors that I'd like to hear explained. Publicly. Sick, evil, and twisted; and that's the problem of any of the powers that be that find it offencive, not mine. Anarchists'R'Us. G Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 14:06:06 up 14 days, 3:27, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.15, 0.10 Not every question deserves an answer. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fyv6G11CaRuZZSIRApz8AJ48FqSxBCXSTh+JNHNBdW7i6skKjgCghq/2 TPcNIJOsWcQJQMN1RPsVo/8= =60Rm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 2, 2003 11:51 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:48:16 +0700 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Did anyone else get this? This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send no further newbie communicationsand remove my name from your list. Why did he complain to you in the first place? LOL. I think he missed his target and aimed to you instead as the first name that popped up out of his mind when he's thinking about mandrake list :) either way, he goes the same way as [EMAIL PROTECTED]: /dev/null He/she/it must have selectively sent that to anyone that sent a message to the list late this afternoon. I got 4, Femme got it, Todd got it, probably others. If it was a filter it was an awfully stupid one. But then what can we expect from MS software driven by a halfwit? Filtered here too. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 00:09:36 up 12 days, 13:30, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.47, 0.70 Given my druthers, I'd druther not. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fRNQG11CaRuZZSIRAt5hAKCGXGvkNrmfm+TlbRkrSTlAd3NoPACgnpZ5 A4d8vQCUVWAt9+n5HQVbpZA= =2soX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 04:21 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 19:41, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:12:32 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: But then what can we expect from MS software driven by a halfwit? George Bush's foreign policy? /ducks How DARE you insult Microsoft like that! You're both rotten to the core. Don't ever change. G C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:01:24 up 13 days, 22 min, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.27 I'd love to go out with you, but I did my own thing and now I've got to undo it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fauXG11CaRuZZSIRAmRbAKCeCTkssANaDQtHzQbPApWoV2foAQCdEmyk 8q9OerCPbn8VcsnZzU+HGiU= =IQIf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 09:11 am, HaywireMac wrote: [..] That's not really the issue, as we were discussing before. I think you even said it, Linux, Unix, whatever platform will never be 100% secure, but as always, I would put a default install of Mandrake up against a patched and configured Windows box any time and bet on a winner. Everything is relative, there are no absolutes... LOL! However, when you talk about something like SELinux, the law of diminishing returns would seem to dictate that the cost/effort would simply be out of sight for anyone below the level of extreme-l33t-haxor to attempt an exploit. In implementing SELinux, the NSA is putting up a platform that they hope will be mostly impervious to anything except a hacker who is backed by the budget and resources of an entire *State*. For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted system. Please don't tell me that you don't think the specific research project identified above, the developers involved, and the agency in control, have never heard of honey traps and tarpits? (-; Or sacrificial decoys; which, with their budget, would likely be standard networking hardware. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:37:52 up 13 days, 58 min, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.03 There are three kinds of people: men, women, and unix. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fbWwG11CaRuZZSIRArBIAJ9XpUN8r/jw1Eqh5T2E/cI8OCg82wCgkXa4 IcCg3+tbW57Kk8Te7zVdHyI= =Z6/w -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 12:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote: [..] Exactement! I once saw an interview with an official from the NSA, and he was asked what kind of computing technology they had at their disposal. IIRC, his answer was something like: Take what you can dream up in your wildest fantasies. Now multiply that by 100. Even factoring in disinformation and propaganda, I don't doubt he was far off the mark. I believe SELinux, as you point out, would be their *absolute minimum* for systems accessible from the WAN, what lays behind it is anybody's guess. All I know is, I'd almost give my left arm to get a good look at it. There are a lot of IT facilities that I fantasize about having a grand tour through with guides, and that's one of them. Even better would be to own a copy of one. g My dream (short term) though would be to build an Open Source only Broadband ISP. So totally biased and exclusionary that any browser identifying itself as running on a certain corporation's OS would be redirected immediately to the Complaint Department. aka msn.com g Mac OSX users and 'nixers only need apply. (-; I know...I'm a sick bastard. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:58:41 up 13 days, 2:19, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.16, 0.16 In specifications, Murphy's Law supersedes Ohm's. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fcknG11CaRuZZSIRAi6MAJ9COJxO04hLaRynl3YPFIibvIi33ACbB7iS uZzSz5XPs5vafe9SNr5H0+w= =UofV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 05:40 pm, yankl wrote: [..] I know I start another flame war on the list but: Am I the only conservative republican on the list? Could some one explain to me why so many people in tech are liberal democrats? You know once on the radio I heard some one say that since he is not lazy and not stupid he must be a conservative. No one, I suspect lazy or stupid on that list, so why that love for communists ideas? I don't anticipate a flame war Yankl, but I very carefully didn't agree or disagree with the cheap shot at Bush. I just acknowledged that I found the crack itself humorous. My political conviction or affiliation is of the same order as my religious beliefs. Non-existant and/or not subject to public discussion. Your preferences are your own business, and you're welcome to them. As are Stephen and T.B.M/JoeHill/Haywire Mac. If I thought any differently I'd be subscribed to the OT list where philosophical debate seems the norm. I still found, from past experience reading their stated thoughts on the subject, the remark humorous; and whether I agree or disagree with the opinion doesn't lessen my respect for them. Or you. I'm fairly certain you aren't alone but this is the wrong forum for that subject. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 18:01:10 up 13 days, 7:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.31, 0.57 It pays in England to be a revolutionary and a bible-smacker most of one's life and then come round. -- Lord Alfred Douglas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fhEfG11CaRuZZSIRAoCQAKCQQRo7czDGl1odPY0lNdVnxM8MHwCgnZ8q Yx+pKWhjZJlTS2q2ezDft4M= =3etB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 2, 2003 04:43 am, ed tharp wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote: And now you know why I haven't gotten the nerve to try to resuscitate my old Win98SE installation since I rebuilt my system four months ago. I don't need no aggravation. -- cmg this statement makes me wonder,,, I have/had a triple boot, winME, Win2k, and MDK9.1. after a few problems (me screwing around) hosed first winME and then 2k, and I know I 'can' fix them, it just takes time, and reboots, and I don't need to bother with those partitions. I wonder how many of 'previous' dual-booters are waiting for hell to freeze before they find the time to fix their MS partitions. Hi Ed; I played the dual boot game for nearly two years; until one day I decided that I needed a local mirror of some distribution or other and the only available space of an adequate size on any partition on any of the drives was where Windows 98 SE lived. I actually had to try to remember when the last time I had booted that OS was. 3 months was my best guess. That's where the mirror went. This all happened in the year 2000. So I guess you could say I fixed my MS drive. Permanently. G Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:29:51 up 12 days, 50 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.07 We are anthill men upon an anthill world. -- Ray Bradbury -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fGIJG11CaRuZZSIRAkIEAJ4mH/k4xZSKDXClgyLybjXK+21WNACdFxAK 2eH3OZDACfmvpVpTkrED3l8= =2TBq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 2, 2003 12:45 pm, Aron Smith wrote: [..] Minor correction Paul. Firebird is the standalone browser. Thunderbird is the standalone mail/newsreader client. Dontcha just hate picky people? g Usta date a Dental Technican (she was too damn picky) Ouch! You're a badun Aron. (-; C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:39:47 up 12 days, 3:00, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.15, 0.23 Poor man... he was like an employee to me. - -- The police commissioner on Sledge Hammer laments the death of his bodyguard. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fH9lG11CaRuZZSIRAhG2AJwJsjZIR+KvyAeeLZ+61/2WJj0TygCfcTcE jTLsqZNIwztQN13N7xv0GW8= =tQBc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 2, 2003 01:12 pm, Paul wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:12, Charlie M. wrote: Minor correction Paul. Firebird is the standalone browser. Thunderbird is the standalone mail/newsreader client. Dontcha just hate picky people? g See how often I have used it already? ;) Also remember I am a programmer, not an ornithologist. I am no good with birds like that! Paul I tend to avoid (uncontrolled) fire and (uncontrollable) thunder at all times myself. (-: C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:44:08 up 12 days, 3:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.16 We are drowning in information but starved for knowledge. -- John Naisbitt, Megatrends -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fIBLG11CaRuZZSIRAkVuAJ97RmexInVXvnJIO7fFrPV7rLycEgCdHMAG gDhoJun7cru4RfTtYyI8qZ4= =T+tR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
