Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price! Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up but I could always account for them by my stupidity. John Montgomery Vernon BC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 18:25, John or Margaret Montgomery wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price! Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up but I could always account for them by my stupidity. As I said before, I think that's largely true of CDs, but it's worth noting that when I bought my hardware dvd recorder at Christmas it came with an A4 sheet of recommended disks. That suggests to me that they think there is a quality issue. I did read that it was the density of burn required on a dvd that causes the issue. Of course I'm only quoting. As for my own experience, one of my coasters was done on this box, so may have been my own fault, but the other was done on the stand-alone recorder, where I have no control. Of course, it may be coincidence, but for the small price difference, and it *is* small now, at least here, I'll play safe and still to recommended disks. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgprSWTDqWpF6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
John or Margaret Montgomery wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price! Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up but I could always account for them by my stupidity. John Montgomery Vernon BC You managed to get a knowledgeable salesperson ;) I quit botherin askin who actually manufactured the media. Mostly I got a blank stare. They bank on the premise that most all the public thinks big brand names have to be better. OTOH, the big brand names do _usually_ put better, more durable coating (the label side where the recording is actually done). This is important if you're fixin to handle the CD's a bunch, or store them for a while. So considerin that, it's often worth payin twice the price to get media that's all made by the same damn manufacturer anyhow. I suspect the brand names buy the cheap 'generic' CD's, then add the extra 'branded' coating on top of the generic manufacturers. In this sense the result is not more reliable for burnin, but will survive more handlin an storage. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Tom wrote: John or Margaret Montgomery wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price! Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up but I could always account for them by my stupidity. John Montgomery Vernon BC You managed to get a knowledgeable salesperson ;) I quit botherin askin who actually manufactured the media. Mostly I got a blank stare. They bank on the premise that most all the public thinks big brand names have to be better. OTOH, the big brand names do _usually_ put better, more durable coating (the label side where the recording is actually done). This is important if you're fixin to handle the CD's a bunch, or store them for a while. So considerin that, it's often worth payin twice the price to get media that's all made by the same damn manufacturer anyhow. I suspect the brand names buy the cheap 'generic' CD's, then add the extra 'branded' coating on top of the generic manufacturers. In this sense the result is not more reliable for burnin, but will survive more handlin an storage. I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway. (I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 20:08, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway. (I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...) Mikkel, again I'm only quoting what I have read, but I understand that it's not wise to label DVDs. Again it is the speed and density that make them more sensitive to wobble if the label is not absolutely balanced. The article I read though that it was almost impossible to safely label them. I've been looking at the printers, too, as mine will have to be retired soon, but I don't know whether they are a viable option for DVDs. It would be nice if they were. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpxTDovJ93CT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 20:08, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway. (I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...) Mikkel, again I'm only quoting what I have read, but I understand that it's not wise to label DVDs. Again it is the speed and density that make them more sensitive to wobble if the label is not absolutely balanced. The article I read though that it was almost impossible to safely label them. I've been looking at the printers, too, as mine will have to be retired soon, but I don't know whether they are a viable option for DVDs. It would be nice if they were. Anne Anne, You are probably right. I can not say for sure about DVDs. I do not have a burner myself, so I have not labeled too many. I know you can mess up a CD if you are sloppy putting on the label. The business card ones give me problems. For printing on CDs, Epson has an ink jet that isn't too out of line that has a try for printing CDs. I have not checked into it, to see if it will work with Linux. By the time I am ready to really start shopping for one, there will probably be a new crop of printers anyway. There are other things higher up on the wish list... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 21:13, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 20:08, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway. (I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...) Mikkel, again I'm only quoting what I have read, but I understand that it's not wise to label DVDs. Again it is the speed and density that make them more sensitive to wobble if the label is not absolutely balanced. The article I read though that it was almost impossible to safely label them. I've been looking at the printers, too, as mine will have to be retired soon, but I don't know whether they are a viable option for DVDs. It would be nice if they were. Anne Anne, You are probably right. I can not say for sure about DVDs. I do not have a burner myself, so I have not labeled too many. I know you can mess up a CD if you are sloppy putting on the label. The business card ones give me problems. For printing on CDs, Epson has an ink jet that isn't too out of line that has a try for printing CDs. I have not checked into it, to see if it will work with Linux. By the time I am ready to really start shopping for one, there will probably be a new crop of printers anyway. There are other things higher up on the wish list... It's going right OT, but I really need duplex, and I'm not at all sure that I will find one that gives me both duplex and disc printing. Still, dream on :-) Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpu3o2PgY53S.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? TIA -- Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpqgp2tQKLmP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? Strange, Verbatim works well for me and are considered best choice in a recent Computer Build test; so it's possible your burner had its own problem with Verbatim; what's brand and model are you using? -- Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? TIA -- Charles Now that sounds rather strange in my ears, as I have not heard before of a brand that won't work with software or do they work in other software on the same machine? What I do now that though is that hardware and discs can be a pain together /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I'm afraid I haven't had any DVD blanks that didn't work. I presume that's down to the drive and not the software. The drive I use is the 16 speed NEC with dual layer burning as well. I can't vouch for the dual layer part, but I notice that K3B normally shows as dual layer capacity until I actually put the blank into the drive. I've used pretty much whatever is cheapest at the stockist I use and have had no problems (coasters). I could say that most drives appreciate Ritek dye disks, though. The Liteon I had before the Nec definitely preferred ritek dye disks, but again, although burning slower generally on other dyes, didn't produce coasters. Maybe I've just been lucky :-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Mandrake 10.1 Microsoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 15:26, Ian wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I'm afraid I haven't had any DVD blanks that didn't work. I presume that's down to the drive and not the software. The drive I use is the 16 speed NEC with dual layer burning as well. I can't vouch for the dual layer part, but I notice that K3B normally shows as dual layer capacity until I actually put the blank into the drive. I've used pretty much whatever is cheapest at the stockist I use and have had no problems (coasters). I could say that most drives appreciate Ritek dye disks, though. The Liteon I had before the Nec definitely preferred ritek dye disks, but again, although burning slower generally on other dyes, didn't produce coasters. Maybe I've just been lucky :-) Also, burning at less than maximum speed for your drive is always a good idea. As a rule of thumb, burn at 1/2 its stated speed. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpLZUnp7CCZ5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:26:24 + Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The drive I use is the 16 speed NEC with dual layer burning as well. I can't vouch for the dual layer part, but I notice that K3B normally shows as dual layer capacity until I actually put the blank into the drive. NEC are very good at their work and as far as I know, they do not definetly have any problem with Verbatim dvd; which NEC model do you own, more specific? And have you tried with others burning program, like X-CDRoast? -- Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 15:37, Smiley wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:26:24 + Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The drive I use is the 16 speed NEC with dual layer burning as well. I can't vouch for the dual layer part, but I notice that K3B normally shows as dual layer capacity until I actually put the blank into the drive. NEC are very good at their work and as far as I know, they do not definetly have any problem with Verbatim dvd; which NEC model do you own, more specific? And have you tried with others burning program, like X-CDRoast? ND-3500AG Yes, but K3B floats my boat. I've found K3b to do anything I've asked of it..except for the Clone part of the copy menu. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Mandrake 10.1 Microsoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 March 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? TIA -- Charles DVD burners can be picky with the brands they will work with e.g. the Optorite in my PC will not work with Datawrite branded DVDs but my Lite-on DVD recorder attached to the T.V is quite happy with them, conversely Phillips branded ones work in the PC but not DVD Recorder. A lot of DVD writer manufacturers list compatable media on their websites, if yours does it's worth checking before buying. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; # cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 -atip ^ (my device numbers, Mdk 10.2) Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling big snip ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation .. The vendors name is DuraBrand on that disc. CMC are a so so manufacturer, but work fine in my Plextor an these have a reasonably durable coating on them. IIRC, my last spindle of Verbatim's was also actually manufactured by CMC, but with a little better coating. I switched from Memorex when they switched from usin discs manufactured by ProDisc (good media), to a no name, non-orange forum manufacturer in India (very poor media). I've had hundred disc spindles, sold under well known brand names, where the actual manufacturer switched as many as 3 times within the 100 discs! Bottom line, there's less than a dozen media manufacturers on the planet there's hundreds of 'brand' names. -atip is the only way to know what you've got, and that is often subject to change, even when purchased in bulk. More often than not, the 'big brand names' and the generic 'no-names' are made by the same manufacturer. The higher priced discs usually have a better, more durable coating on them tho. That's important if you want to keep the data on them for some time. More likely Charles problems stem from the GUI and or backend the program is usin, how well it's been adapted to DVD burning, poor choice of options for the backend, or the quality of his burner and it's laser. Specially if like media it's rebadged. I'd put the media last, unless it's some junk like that unknown, non orange Indian manufacturers' discs I got stuck with. Fortunately only about the last 20 on the 100 spindle. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 17:44, Tom wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; All of that is true, but the fact remains that big name manufacturers can't afford to get themselves linked to bad suppliers - they depend upon keeping their good name. That's not to say that there are no cheap disks that are good - but you can't test them until you have bought them, so the risk is entirely yours. Yes, you can lower the risks by burning carefully - I've had very few coasters, but 2 out of 25 in one pack - one burned on computer and the other on stand-alone dvd-recorder - is too high a proportion for me. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpSclhaHVdih.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 17:44, Tom wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; All of that is true, but the fact remains that big name manufacturers can't afford to get themselves linked to bad suppliers - they depend upon keeping their good name. Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Memorex is a well known 'big name' brand that depends on the public's perception of their 'quality'. Fact is they make none of their discs, and as I stated, the 'brand' Verbatim, that Charles was tryin, well they don't make theirs either. MOF all 'big name' brands buy from various quality often unknown disc manufacturers. Decent to sometimes very poor. The media quality is probly the last of Charles problems. More likely the backend, specially if it's cdrecord needs to be updated to the latest (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk). Warly has been continually workin with Jörg Schilling to add DVD support for cdrecord. A work in progress. Or equally possible he's dependin on a GUI to make (often poor to just plain wrong) backend option choices for him. Another is burnin on-the-fly, rather than makin a proper image on the HDD, and then burnin from that. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Success at last :-)) Many thanks to all for the helpful replies. I have a DVD reader - make just says Atapi. I have a Pioneer 109 DVD burner. I had been trying to put the source disk in the Atapi and the blank disk in the Pioneer burner (of course), which seemed a good idea at the time :-) Your responses made me persevere - so I looked into K3b setup. Made a new Temp file and made sure that K3b was pointing that way. This time I put the source disk in the Pioneer burner, when that was read into my new Temp file, I inserted the blank disk and lo and behold K3b started to write !! What's more went on to complete a successful burn of about 4.4Gig at 4.1X. So it was a case of faulty operator method. I tried to use the reader at the same time as the burner because K3b had previously copied a CD in that way. I still can't work out why I was getting various error messages indicating failure under my previous efforts. __ Many thanks from Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:44:45 -0600,Tom wrote: The media quality is probly the last of Charles problems. More likely the backend, specially if it's cdrecord needs to be updated to the latest (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk). Warly has been continually workin with Jörg Schilling to add DVD support for cdrecord. A work in progress. Or equally possible he's dependin on a GUI to make (often poor to just plain wrong) backend option choices for him. Another is burnin on-the-fly, rather than makin a proper image on the HDD, and then burnin from that. I seem to think that your last sentence has hit the nail Tom, particularly in view of my post reporting success. -- Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 18:44, Tom wrote: Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Whatever you say, Tom. I suppose the drive manufacturers put out lists of 'supported disks' for the fun of it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpQVmDd5lMxG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 19:39, Charles Rodgers wrote: Success at last :-)) Many thanks to all for the helpful replies. I have a DVD reader - make just says Atapi. I have a Pioneer 109 DVD burner. I had been trying to put the source disk in the Atapi and the blank disk in the Pioneer burner (of course), which seemed a good idea at the time :-) Your responses made me persevere - so I looked into K3b setup. Made a new Temp file and made sure that K3b was pointing that way. This time I put the source disk in the Pioneer burner, when that was read into my new Temp file, I inserted the blank disk and lo and behold K3b started to write !! What's more went on to complete a successful burn of about 4.4Gig at 4.1X. Sounds as though you never did the configuration. You can list the available drives and say which one is to be the reader. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpMRRQQ5bQzL.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 18:44, Tom wrote: Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Whatever you say, Tom. I suppose the drive manufacturers put out lists of 'supported disks' for the fun of it. wow, never saw that one escalate. i admire your kindness and reassuring self-confidence, Anne. kind regards philippe -- corpus christi means body of christ, right ? quite macabre for a city name ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:20:14 +, Anne wrote: Sounds as though you never did the configuration. You can list the available drives and say which one is to be the reader. K3b had already decided that before I got there :-) It's more clever than I am ! I suspect the secret was ensuring that a proper image was made on the HDD. Thanks for your interest Anne - as a real newbie I shall have some more questions coming up :-) -- Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Charles Rodgers wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:44:45 -0600,Tom wrote: The media quality is probly the last of Charles problems. More likely the backend, specially if it's cdrecord needs to be updated to the latest (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk). Warly has been continually workin with Jörg Schilling to add DVD support for cdrecord. A work in progress. Or equally possible he's dependin on a GUI to make (often poor to just plain wrong) backend option choices for him. Another is burnin on-the-fly, rather than makin a proper image on the HDD, and then burnin from that. I seem to think that your last sentence has hit the nail Tom, particularly in view of my post reporting success. -- Charles Masha danki! Bon bon! Now to carry the idea a little further... The only disdain I have for GUI's is that they separate the user from what's really goin on. CD-DVD burnin is more of an an art than a science. Better to learn how to do CLI burnin, than think that GUI's always default to the best, even decent choices. There's plenty on online sources, startin with the CD/DVD Writing How-To. Give it a read, also check out the man pages for the cd/dvd record backends. If nothin else, you'll be a better GUI user. (tho I still favor the CL) CD burnin is very mature, DVD burnin, as I said is still a 'work in progress', expect failures an try to follow Warly's latest efforts. Stow away blind faith in GUI's Getting back to -atip. CDr or DVDr quality, while not the whole ball of wax, it is still a factor to be considered. Pioneer (yours) is currently a good hardware vendor, as is Yamaha, Toshiba, an Plextor, never re-badges, an should work with even junk poor quality media, whoever actually manufactured it, despite the 'brand name' allegiance. I believe you can visually observe the quality an durability of the 'coating' on the media. This is the side (the 'label' side) where the recording is actually done. Not the side people are always fussin about keepin clean an un-scratched. Altho that's important too. As you can see, there's a lot of factors, an I believe I've already listed most of'em. An as you've found out, on-the-fly recordin a little ahead of creatin the image, is best avoided. Actually _never_, even with a high horse power system with gobs of ram. FWIW, I just got back from Wal*Mart. Half mile on my electric scooter (disabled, MS, my only close enough to be accessible store). The only damn 100-spindles they had on the shelf were frickin Memorex. The same 'brand' that stuck me with about 20 poor quality CDr's on a previous 100-spindle. The non-orange, Indian, coaster prone junk they stuck me with before. I took a chance an went ahead an bought 'em ($22.67). Mainly out of need, I've got'a sh!+load of movies backed up to burn to Cd's. Back at the house, I -atip'd the top one, about 30 down into the spindle, an then another 30 down. All Ritek sold under the Memorex name. ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 4 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, low Beta category (A-) (2) ATIP start of lead in: -12508 (97:15/17) ATIP start of lead out: 359845 (79:59/70) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 22 Manufacturer: Ritek Co. IME, Ritek, CMC magnetics, are decent. Taiyo Yuden and ProDisc are the better 'Generic' never heard of manufacturers, regardless of the brand name banner they're sold under are best avoided. An to stress, if it's important storage, consider the visual durability of the coated (label) side. I've bought 100-spindles for $8. They were a Staples generic, but were really made by CMC Magnetics. Worked fine, but the coating was _very_ fragile. Only good for temporary storage an light handlin. Now you can stop reading here 'cause I'm fixin to go off on a tangent. BUT one I believe is of importance to newbies. Linux, unlike Win$ux is 'a work in progress'. M$ releases in long periods, 92, 95, 98, 2000, 2003 an so on. Linux is continually changin. Every day. Particularly the 'heart' of Linux, the kernel. In order to avoid even a taint of M$ type vulnerability, Linus, and the OSDL have made burnin as user verboten in 2.6.x kernels. Many distros have employed hacks to make user space burnin still possible. Mandrake along with the other majors, have dropped this pretense with their latest 2.6.10 an 2.6.11 While user burnin is still possible, serious risk of buffer underruns are a real hazzard. I suspect GUI's will probly mask this risk. EG, (this from a very recent -dummy test with current cooker, 10.2, 2.6.11 compiled for K7, preempt) excerpts cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. .. Average write speed 22.7x. Min drive buffer
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 22:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:20:14 +, Anne wrote: Sounds as though you never did the configuration. You can list the available drives and say which one is to be the reader. K3b had already decided that before I got there :-) It's more clever than I am ! I suspect the secret was ensuring that a proper image was made on the HDD. You can still change it - Settings k3b setup. Of course you may be happy with it using one drive for both, but if you want the convenience of being able to use one as reader and the other as writer, that's where to set it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgppslGRgcavU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 22:37, Tom wrote: The only damn 100-spindles they had on the shelf were frickin Memorex. The same 'brand' that stuck me with about 20 poor quality CDr's on a previous 100-spindle. How odd! I've never had a failure from Memorex. Could it be your burning technique? ;-) Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpPRj97zDTLc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 18:44, Tom wrote: Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Whatever you say, Tom. I suppose the drive manufacturers put out lists of 'supported disks' for the fun of it. Anne Put it in your twiki -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 22:37, Tom wrote: The only damn 100-spindles they had on the shelf were frickin Memorex. The same 'brand' that stuck me with about 20 poor quality CDr's on a previous 100-spindle. How odd! I've never had a failure from Memorex. Could it be your burning technique? ;-) Anne alias mkcdimg='mkisofs -r -o cd_image' (mkisofs-2.01.01-0.a01.3mdk) Simply to make a proper image on the HDD, 'mkcdimg name of file or directory' alias bdcd='cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=24 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -data' (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk, media an burner are both 48x) IOW's for the gui impaired, simply: 'mkcdimg whatever' followed by 'bdcd cd_image' (with latest 2.6.x kernels this should be done as root) Quick, simple, accurate an I know what's goin on Maybe Memorex is sellin you different manufacturer's media than they do to me. MOF I'm positive about it. Since like all other name brands they only pass on 3rd party manufacturers media, whatever they can procure the cheapest. An that varies with every spindle you might buy, even within the spindle. Or is the use of '-atip' beyond the scope of your twiki ? cdrecord dev=ATA:?,?,? -atip (with a blank in the burner) ?'s determined from cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus (don't use dev=ATAPI) Most all the above varies from past 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, even 10.x versions, due to Mandrake an kernel, cdrecord and cdrdao, mkisofs an other improvements an changes. Often not kept up with many, specially those injecting their mistaken impressions into the 'Community twiki'. The _real_ twiki is here http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 00:10, Tom wrote: Maybe Memorex is sellin you different manufacturer's media than they do to me. Lighten up, Tom. I was pulling your leg. Seriously, though, many people report that their particular drives seem to like or dislike one particular brand. I've never found that, so perhaps I'm lucky. It is a fact, though, that because of the density, dvd disks have more likelihood of being problematic than CDs. I use no-name CDs without problems, but my experience is that for DVDs I need to be more choosy. Most all the above varies from past 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, even 10.x versions, due to Mandrake an kernel, cdrecord and cdrdao, mkisofs an other improvements an changes. Often not kept up with many, specially those injecting their mistaken impressions into the 'Community twiki'. The _real_ twiki is here http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki Just what is this all about? The two are different things, for different people and different purposes. Your experiences are valid, but so are the experiences of others. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels pgpgCuPl99kxb.pgp Description: PGP signature
