Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Wednesday 19 Nov 2003 2:45 pm, Tango Echo wrote: -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! On Friday 14 Nov 2003 9:09 pm, Lanman wrote: T.E. - I signed up for Twiki, Finally! Now what to I do for entering information, and how many can I put in? That's the beauty of TWiki - if you feel that it fits, it goes in! I'm looking forward to what arrives. Come on, everyone. Get your entry in there. Anne -- Anne, how do we branch off from the main index page? For example, how do we make the industy links on the left lead some place where people can post info? Thanks, Tango Eacho You don't want/need to branch off the main index page, Tango. Once a page is created the system offers it as though it were a Main/newpage entry - it's all automatic. To start a new page for MyCompanyInc it's easiest to open up for editing your own page. Simply create a TWiki word (MyCompanyInc) and save. You will then see MyCompanyInc with an underlined question mark after it. Click on the question mark and the new page will be created. Two more steps - When you have saved it, it will look to the index as though it is branched from your own page, so to change that, look on the bottom blue bar (where you find Edit) and the right-hand entry is More. Click on there, and an inch or two down you will see the place where you can change the parentage. Set its parent to be the main Business page, and it will show up on the Index in the correct place. Finally, go back to your own page and delete the entry you made to start the page. I don't think you'll have problems, but come back if you do. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Wednesday 19 Nov 2003 2:54 pm, Tango Echo wrote: -Original Message- From: Greg Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! On Monday 10 November 2003 11:50 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. Unfortunately, some of us cannot proclaim this information because we will be told to stop using it. Unfortunately, arbitrary rules still hold more sway than common sense in Corporate America. If the President knew he was getting his e-mail through a Linux server he'd shit a brick. :-) : -- /g Greg, that's the point of this new page =). While the bizcases site is more business related, the bizuser site will let you post tech info anonymously. Please, all of you, don't let the red tape hold you back from posting help to other Linux users. Like I just mentioned, anonymous posting to the site is completely fine. If you just mention something basic about the company such as an accounting firm in Florida or a bank on planet earth that should be enough info. Business details are nice but they are not the main purpose of this page... In my reply to Tango's previous question I implied using the company name, but he's absolutely right - it's not necessary. The page will help and encourage those trying to sell the idea, giving them real examples of situations that can be used to help people understand the possibilities. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
--- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can set up a page for you, containing the single word 'placeholder', on which you can build, if that would help. For any potential contributors who don't want to learn the few simple formatting commands, they can use html tags instead. Just let me know if you want me to start it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Sounds like a plan, Anne. Just let me know where this 'placeholder' is and I'll try to get something started... Thanks, Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Friday 14 Nov 2003 2:50 pm, Tango Echo wrote: --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can set up a page for you, containing the single word 'placeholder', on which you can build, if that would help. For any potential contributors who don't want to learn the few simple formatting commands, they can use html tags instead. Just let me know if you want me to start it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Sounds like a plan, Anne. Just let me know where this 'placeholder' is and I'll try to get something started... http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/BusinessUser Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
T.E. - I signed up for Twiki, Finally! Now what to I do for entering information, and how many can I put in? Read your post back to Anne, but I don't agree with you about the worth of this page. I think it's great! The most significant reason for this is because this will be a list of scenarios by list members, who are significantly more accessible than many of the ones on the MandrakeBizCases site, some of whom don't work at those companies anymore, and a huge bunch that will never answer requests for help or advice. While those are good refernece points ( the Bizcases ) about how wide-spread Mandrake is being deployed, it doesn't give a lot of particulars about the hardware, configurations, problems and solutions, etc. Because of that alone, this site will be better, but like any new site, it will take some time to catch on. List-members should be reminded and encouraged to input their information onto the site regarding their situations and solutions, Tips and Tricks, etc. As you and the whole list are aware, the members are global. That means different time zones. So, for example, if Stephen is asleep ( or if Joe Hill is filtering everybody! Sorry Joe, I just couldn't resist! Grin! ), and I have a similar problem to what they had, I can look up their submissions to see how they solved it. That also saves me from having to wake them up, or wait for an answer that I need right now ( assuming that they'd let me wake them up! Grin! ). See what I mean? The thing to remember is that this is payback for all those Glory Days when we were considered crazy, eccentric ( or as I prefer to think of all Linux enthusiasts - Bleeding Edge ), computer nerds. Now that Linux is gaining a lot of popularity, lists like this one will become very popular. Sort of a Non-Profit, Open-Sourced version of Bill Gates! And we get to give them the BIG - I.T.Y.S. ( I TOLD YOU SO !). Like the man said,...PAYBACK'S A BIATCH! We'll be the initial entry-point for an ever-increasing amount of newbies, and we'll be considered Linux Gurus ( I hope I didn't make that sound too sarcastic? Grin!). If the type of information this list offers is superior to other distro's ( Please begin flame wars AFTER I have left the building! ), we'll be well on our way to ,...wait for it, WORLD DOMINATION!! And really, isn't that what we're all striving for? Grin! Grin! Sorry for all the Capital Letters everyone. They're just in here for emphasis. Please forward all complaints to /dev/null ! Anyway, keep the good ideas coming! My rant ends here. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 11/14/2003 at 11:24 AM Tango Echo wrote: --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 14 Nov 2003 2:50 pm, Tango Echo wrote: Sounds like a plan, Anne. Just let me know where this 'placeholder' is and I'll try to get something started... http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/BusinessUser Anne Ok, I threw something up on that location. I wasn't able to add the industry pages because I don't know how to branch off from the main index page. After more thoroughly browsing the extensive mandrakebizcases site, I'm begining to doubt the worth of this Twiki page. I suppose a couple advantages to the Twiki page is that it is an open forum that maximizes exchange of information and we can have a more technical direction. You were pretty much the only feedback for this page, and I do appreciate it! Should I assume everyone else was silent because they didn't read the thread or simply agreed with you? Just trying to avoid any redundant work/information here, and make sure the community agrees with us... I'm open to more ideas and discussion as to how we can turn this into a mandrakebizcases enhancment instead of a mandrakebizcases rehash! If this isnt possible, might as well axe it while it's young. Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Friday 14 Nov 2003 7:24 pm, Tango Echo wrote: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/BusinessUser Anne Ok, I threw something up on that location. I wasn't able to add the industry pages because I don't know how to branch off from the main index page. After more thoroughly browsing the extensive mandrakebizcases site, I'm begining to doubt the worth of this Twiki page. I suppose a couple advantages to the Twiki page is that it is an open forum that maximizes exchange of information and we can have a more technical direction. You were pretty much the only feedback for this page, and I do appreciate it! Should I assume everyone else was silent because they didn't read the thread or simply agreed with you? Just trying to avoid any redundant work/information here, and make sure the community agrees with us... I'm open to more ideas and discussion as to how we can turn this into a mandrakebizcases enhancment instead of a mandrakebizcases rehash! If this isnt possible, might as well axe it while it's young. I've seen it, and added a comment as to how I envisage it. Perhaps now those that have already commented in this thread would like to add their 2p-worth? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Friday 14 Nov 2003 9:09 pm, Lanman wrote: T.E. - I signed up for Twiki, Finally! Now what to I do for entering information, and how many can I put in? That's the beauty of TWiki - if you feel that it fits, it goes in! I'm looking forward to what arrives. Come on, everyone. Get your entry in there. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Monday 10 November 2003 11:50 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. Unfortunately, some of us cannot proclaim this information because we will be told to stop using it. Unfortunately, arbitrary rules still hold more sway than common sense in Corporate America. If the President knew he was getting his e-mail through a Linux server he'd shit a brick. :-) -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Thursday 13 Nov 2003 1:19 pm, Tango Echo wrote: --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 1:49 pm, Tango Echo wrote: The Twiki suggestion is great. One addition to it may be more of an industry HOWTO. For example, people could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. Weather its government, insurance, production, retail, or something else, each industry has its own specific needs from the software it uses. Even if it's just a list of apps they use, it would give people a good idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended for the job. Add some contact info for each bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for Windows to Linux migrations =). (I'm actually still in search of the Win to Lin migration myself) Brilliant idea, Tango. Anyone care to start us off? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? I wouldn't even know where to begin for creating the page on Twiki - only posted one item there so far. It was just a quick how to instead of an entire index page... But once we have the page set up, perhaps a mass invite to those individuals on the bizcase site would be a good way to pull in some starter info? If nothing else, we could ask them what they use for apps and if they would like to contribute any advice or HOWTOs... Any suggestions or advice here? Let's keep this going! I can set up a page for you, containing the single word 'placeholder', on which you can build, if that would help. For any potential contributors who don't want to learn the few simple formatting commands, they can use html tags instead. Just let me know if you want me to start it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 11:01 pm, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98 have ceased. Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again. I have to admit I didn't check - but they announced End of Life some time ago, so I assumed that it kicked in before now. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Tony S. Sykes wrote: Robin, I am sure that they must have checked their licence's and found out they hadn't got any newer one's than 98. Can't think of any other reason. You can put your pen (mightier than the sword) down and hopefully not have to fight when you explain that it does not cost a penny. I checked with the head of the computer centre and it looks like it was just a case of some managemers in the School of English getting the wrong end of the stick. There is apparently no official university policy, but the computer centre strongly advise against any _Windows_ other than Win98. The reason is that people install XP, don't patch it and leave vulnerable services running with no protection. Then the thing gets wormy and goes down, and the poor techies have to go and fix it. As for attitudes to Linux, a lot of the low-level techies don't like it because they don't understand it; the sysadmins are all using Linux anyway! Sir Robin Tony. -Original Message- From: Robin Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia. - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
-Original Message- From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? Lanman site? Comments? Lanman You're probably already aware lanman, but I'll say it for everyone to hear... I currently have one MNF box on one of our sites that performs firewalling, IDS, and WebProxy. I'd be lying if I said it's been flawless, but I must also admit the problems have come from my lack of admin knowledge. Still, the problems have been quite minimal and I believe it's at a point where you plug it in and forget about it... The Twiki suggestion is great. One addition to it may be more of an industry HOWTO. For example, people could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. Weather its government, insurance, production, retail, or something else, each industry has its own specific needs from the software it uses. Even if it's just a list of apps they use, it would give people a good idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended for the job. Add some contact info for each bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for Windows to Linux migrations =). (I'm actually still in search of the Win to Lin migration myself) Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 1:49 pm, Tango Echo wrote: The Twiki suggestion is great. One addition to it may be more of an industry HOWTO. For example, people could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. Weather its government, insurance, production, retail, or something else, each industry has its own specific needs from the software it uses. Even if it's just a list of apps they use, it would give people a good idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended for the job. Add some contact info for each bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for Windows to Linux migrations =). (I'm actually still in search of the Win to Lin migration myself) Brilliant idea, Tango. Anyone care to start us off? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Robin, I am sure that they must have checked their licence's and found out they hadn't got any newer one's than 98. Can't think of any other reason. You can put your pen (mightier than the sword) down and hopefully not have to fight when you explain that it does not cost a penny. Tony. -Original Message- From: Robin Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98 have ceased. Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST -- Frank Zappa Help fight SPAM. Join CAUCE. http://www.cauce.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
That's only because they want 98 to be able to get worm's etc, like 2k and xp. Roly On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:01 pm, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98 have ceased. Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again. Regards, -- MicroSoft - The company that made the internet unsafe! Linux Counter #241069 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:18 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? We used Mandrake Linux for our server before but we switched to FreeBSD and is very happy with that, I am also using FreeBSD for one of my workstations at work /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? Lanman I've been using linux since just before Redhat 4 if memory serves.. so a few years.. I swapped to mandrake around mdk7.2 time and have not looked back. I've tried slackware, debian, caldera, coral, land a heap of others as well, but mdk and rh have always been the choice for me because I find getting the job done fast more important then steet cred. I've setup dozens of business's in perth with linux servers, many are just internet gateways, others are file servers and more are combinations thereof.. myself, I have about 6 linux servers and I use them to host websites for companies.. all the servers are mandrake now. my home network is a samba file server (mdk9.0) and my DNS server is also a mandrake box. rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Very cool! Open-Source is all about choice, and FreeBSD is certainly a good choice. I find that a lot of people start with Mandrake because it's one of the easiest distro's to start with, but I also see a lot of users switch to other Open-Source solutions once they have gained some experience and confidence in their abilities. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 11/10/2003 at 4:50 PM Anders Lind wrote: We used Mandrake Linux for our server before but we switched to FreeBSD and is very happy with that, I am also using FreeBSD for one of my workstations at work /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Way to go Franki ! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? Lanman Lanman, I use Linux mandrake 9.1 both at home and at work .( writing from there now ) I work at an Information management company that does record storage, Microfilming, and Scanning. I use word 2000 and excel in linux through crossover office 2.1.0 to print labels and reports. this is on a dual booted win2000/Mdk 9.1 box. the network here is a combination of one win server 2003 and various older windows units 98/98se/w2k/xp and 1 older win server- I can surf tthe network freely except for the win2003 tree. I use an old HP Laser jet 5L to print with and have NO problems with anything. I didn't have to do any tweaking I can remember, it just installed and worked. I have done updates and such all thru mcc and it was boring. I have played around with a lot of different themes and styles , etc and haven't broken anything yet. we even have regular power outs but it hasn't hurt anything yet. all and all very boring to report really. -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
I started out with mandrake in my house but at work I use redhat 9.0 for windows file sharing, dns, all integrated into a server 2003 dfs structure and active directory, I also utilize rsync for a network back up of other things stored on the rh server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? Lanman Lanman, I use Linux mandrake 9.1 both at home and at work .( writing from there now ) I work at an Information management company that does record storage, Microfilming, and Scanning. I use word 2000 and excel in linux through crossover office 2.1.0 to print labels and reports. this is on a dual booted win2000/Mdk 9.1 box. the network here is a combination of one win server 2003 and various older windows units 98/98se/w2k/xp and 1 older win server- I can surf tthe network freely except for the win2003 tree. I use an old HP Laser jet 5L to print with and have NO problems with anything. I didn't have to do any tweaking I can remember, it just installed and worked. I have done updates and such all thru mcc and it was boring. I have played around with a lot of different themes and styles , etc and haven't broken anything yet. we even have regular power outs but it hasn't hurt anything yet. all and all very boring to report really. -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA * This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you. STI Computer Services * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
I think that you'll find that this is the case in most installations Mike. Usually, once it's set up and configured, Linux will usually bore you to tears in how dependable it is. Unless your clients or employers require additional administration or servers/services, you'll typically find that they don't need you very much, unless it's for other services. ( Whimper! ) In a way, I actually like that. It gives me the freedom to take on new clients and to prove the value of Linux. I was actually embarrassed one time, when speaking with a bunch of Microsoft-based Admins when I asked them how many times a month they re-booted their servers. Most of them were saying that they had to, or decided to reboot once a week! When they asked me how often I rebooted, I told the truth. Either never, or only when there was a power failure. They thought I was nuts until I told them I use Linux, at which point, they got real curious! Needless to say, there's a few more Microsoft Ex-Patriots in Montreal now! Ya Gotta Love Payback! All those guys who use to think that Linux was Way Out There are giving it a second look now! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 11/10/2003 at 10:17 AM mike wrote: I use Linux mandrake 9.1 both at home and at work .( writing from there now ) I work at an Information management company that does record storage, Microfilming, and Scanning. I use word 2000 and excel in linux through crossover office 2.1.0 to print labels and reports. this is on a dual booted win2000/Mdk 9.1 box. the network here is a combination of one win server 2003 and various older windows units 98/98se/w2k/xp and 1 older win server- I can surf tthe network freely except for the win2003 tree. I use an old HP Laser jet 5L to print with and have NO problems with anything. I didn't have to do any tweaking I can remember, it just installed and worked. I have done updates and such all thru mcc and it was boring. I have played around with a lot of different themes and styles , etc and haven't broken anything yet. we even have regular power outs but it hasn't hurt anything yet. all and all very boring to report really. -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
In my corner of the office I have installed Mandrake 9.1 (started at 8.0) with Hylafax and it does a little web hosting (internally) and it also does remote checks on customers servers texting problems to support mobiles. The company has opted for RedHat in the only other area for testing our software on (I have no input there). They are very windows centric here so it is difficult to get them to change over. Tony. -Original Message- From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? Lanman -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Monday 10 November 2003 09:50 am, Anders Lind wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:18 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. snip /Anders We use Mandrake for our small business, (furniture repair). It is used to do letters with OO.org and the books with gnucash now that they have business functions incorporated. Oh and email and surfing. Not a large operation just three of us. Linux is a complete solution now, no matter what the other naysayers naysay. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
My principal business is a restaurant http://pizzapizza.vze.com/ and I've been running Linux Mandrake on our office computer since 8.0. The system is more stable and our data is no longer hostage to Microsoft's proprietary formats. One of the reasons that made me look at alternatives to Windows in the first place is that I use the office computer to supply background music for the dining area, but under Windows the system was never stable enough to rely upon. With any player under Windows -- Winamp, Music Match, whatever -- the sound would stutter and crash after a few hours. With Linux Mandrake and XMMS, I don't even have to think about the music anymore. I just turn on the system and it plays, with perfect reliability. The heart of our restaurant's office work is a spreadsheet with a list of raw ingredients that my restaurant uses. It is referenced by another sheet that has all our recipes and calculates costs and prices. It in turn is referenced by a word processing document that has our menu ready to print. Microsoft Office could never get it right: cell references were dropped, formatting was mangled, and files were irrecoverably corrupted constantly. OpenOffice imported the relevant files, converted them, and made everything work out of the box. As a side business I develop and manage web sites. The software available in Linux is so much better than the equivalent apps in Windows. Bluefish, Gimp, gFTP... they blow away the best there is for Windows. I'll never go back to Microsoft. I had opened our town's first Internet café. I have since closed it for business reasons, but at the same time I switched our restaurant to Linux I switched the café as well, renaming it the Tropical Penguin Cybercafé with a logo of Tux wearing a Hawaiian necklace. Steady customers didn't notice that it wasn't Windows but did comment on how much faster and more stable the workstations had become, and how much nicer the desktops looked. -- Warren Post, Registered Linux user 241394 Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras http://srcopan.vze.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
I'm not using it for business, but as a long time IT professional, Linux is at least as easy to maintain as Win2k server. Added to which, the software is a lot cheaper and the support is a lot better. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
El lun, 10-11-2003 a las 12:40, Lanman escribió: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I was hired in a cybercafé last month. My job is to completely migrate it to Linux. (gaming machines included). Not an easy task as you can see, i've been working on desktop installations and config, as well as building an application that controls all of them from one computer and enables or disables them as clients walk in and ask for a computer. So, Am i using Linux in the workplace? hehe.. yeah, it's 100% of my job. I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. We've got several e-mails and messages from other places and shops that want to take the plunge and start migrating to Linux too, they mostly want to know what to do and how exactly are we doing it... It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. That sounds familiar :o) MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. We know. In fact, i was the one to suggest (and IMPOSE ;o)) Mandrake for the task. The day they gave me the job interview they had already installed two SuSE machines. One was the first desktop, the other was the server. The server is still using SuSE, as i'm reluctant to fix something that works, but all of the desktops have now Mdk 9.1 (and one 9.2). We have been talking to some MandrakeSoft people over here and there's the chance that we also become official Mandrake vendors. As part of the arrangements, there was the success story, which involved us being in one of those articles. We're still thinking about it. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? IMO yes. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
