Re: [newbie-it] update-menus -v
Tommaso Leddi wrote: .. a proposito di update-menu: quando lancio questo comando mi viene stampato questo: Update-menus[1106]: Running method:/etc/menu-methods//fvwm e dopo quest'ultima linea, tutto si blocca sino a che non faccio un Ctrl+C Non sembra che sia normale. Cosa devo fare? Ho notato anch'io che non riappare il prompt. Pero` non c'e` bisogno di un Control-C, basta un Return. Diciamo che e` un minor-bug. :-) ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] [OT] dimensione swap
Il 19:18, luned 12 marzo 2001, scrivesti: Scusate per la domanda che non rientra proprio nell'argomento della lista, comunque se quallcuno mi risponde mi farebbe un piacere. Io ho due blocchi di memoria ram: uno da 128 Mb, uno da 64MB. Se po' essere utile ho una scheda video integrata sulla scheda madre che utilizza 8Mb di ram Quante partizioni SWAP e di che grandezza devo fare? Una basta ed avanza; direi che 128 Mb sono molto pi che sufficienti. -- Fabio Coatti http://www.ferrara.linux.it/members/cova Ferrara Linux Users Group http://ferrara.linux.it GnuPG fp:9765 A5B6 6843 17BC A646 BE8C FA56 373A 5374 C703 Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password.
Re: [newbie-it] Problemi con LILO
Giuseppe Foti wrote: Salve, ho un disperato bisogno di aiuto perch non riesco a risolvere un problema con LILO. Al boot della macchina appare LIL- e la macchina va in blocco. Dalla UserGuide di LILO che trovi in /usr/doc/lilo/doc : LIL The second stage boot loader has been started but it can't load the descriptor table from the map file. This is typically caused by a media failure or by a geometry mismatch. LIL- The second stage boot loader has been loaded at an incorrect address. This is typically caused by a subtle geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/map without running the map installer. Il problema comparso dopo aver cercato di aggiungere una riga al file liloconf : append="ide2=0x8000,0x7802" che doveva servire ad avviare linux senza passare ogni volta il suddetto parametro (necessario essendo il mio disco un Quantum Fireball ATA 100). ... append="ide2=0x8000" ... Scusa, se dico una fesseria. Non ho mai maneggiato dischi come il tuo. Pero`, perche' dici di voler fare un append e poi ne fai un altro? Sicuramente hai lanciato il comando "lilo" dopo aver fatto le modifiche in modo da renderle effettive. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] [OT] dimensione swap
Emiliano 80 wrote: Scusate per la domanda che non rientra proprio nell'argomento della lista, comunque se quallcuno mi risponde mi farebbe un piacere. Io ho due blocchi di memoria ram: uno da 128 Mb, uno da 64MB. Se po' essere utile ho una scheda video integrata sulla scheda madre che utilizza 8Mb di ram Quante partizioni SWAP e di che grandezza devo fare? Grazie e scusate ancora Una volta, quando le RAM erano risicate, si diceva che doveva essere: swap=2*RAM. Adesso, direi che devono essere soddisfatte due condizioni: swap = 64MB swap+RAM = 128MB A te interessa solo la prima. Poi, se vuoi metterne 128MB, male non fa. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] installazione programmi con kpackage
Il 14:25, domenica 11 marzo 2001, Manuel Muttin hai scritto: ciao a tutti. Ho Mdk 7.2 appena installata...sono un novellino. Cmq ho provato a usare kpackage come consigliatomi da alcuni di voi per installare varie applicazioni o pacchetti. Ma continua a darmi kprocess failure quando provo ad installare qualcosa di scaricato dalla rete... ad es knapster... dove pu essere il problema? Ma perch non provare con il pi semplice comando rpm direttamente da console? Ciao Germano
Re: [newbie-it] installazioni di tar.gz...
Il 15:44, domenica 11 marzo 2001, Manuel Muttin hai scritto: Vi prego aiutatemi come faccio a installare programmi che finiscono .tar.gz ecc.? sono un super neofita!!! Help me please In modalit grafica clicca con il tasto destro vedrai che ti apparir (se ark ha lo riconosciuto come file di archivio compresso) la scritta utility di archiviazione, da l in poi molto intuitivo; in alternativa digita " tar -xvzf nomefile" dove la x sta per estrai e la z per decomprimi. Comunque dai un'occhiata al manuale tar (man tar). Ciao Germano
Re: [newbie-it] installazione programmi
1) programmi in formato .rpm Io non uso kpackage xché in passato mi ha dato qualche problema. Preferisco usare il comando rpm da console che, tra l'altro, è semplicissimo da usare: rpm -Ivh nomedeltuofile.rpm oppure rpm -Uvh nomedeltuofile.rpm dove U serve per fare l'upgrade (ma se non hai già installato una versione precedente equivale a I = install) 2) programmi in formato .tar.gz Pur essendo anch'io un neofita ti consiglio, anche in questo caso, il comando da console. I passi da fare sono due. primo: decomprimere il file (azione che, nella stragrande maggioranza dei casi porta alla creazione di una directory) col comando tar -xzvf nomedeltuofile.tar.gz secondo passo: installazione: l'operazione precedente avrà creato una directory che si chiamerà nomedeltuofile (almeno di solito ;-) ) ci vai dentro con: cd nomedeltuofile e, sempre di solito, troverai un file chiamato README che devi leggere (ad esempio col comando: less README - dal quale esci digitando: q). Quel file ti dirà come installare il programma che hai appena decompresso. Nella maggior parte dei casi - ma accertatene ogni volta leggendo README - i comandi sono tre (da eseguire in sequenza): ./configure make make install (devi essere root per lanciarlo!) Ciao Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] installazioni di tar.gz...
Il 10:50, marted 13 marzo 2001, scrivesti: Il 15:44, domenica 11 marzo 2001, Manuel Muttin hai scritto: Vi prego aiutatemi come faccio a installare programmi che finiscono .tar.gz ecc.? sono un super neofita!!! Help me please In modalit grafica clicca con il tasto destro vedrai che ti apparir (se ark ha lo riconosciuto come file di archivio compresso) la scritta utility di archiviazione, da l in poi molto intuitivo; in alternativa digita " tar -xvzf nomefile" dove la x sta per estrai e la z per decomprimi. MOLTO meglio usare la modilit non grafica, ossia la cara vecchia linea di comando, quando si giocherella con i tar.gz. E' utile dire che il tar.gz non un pacchetto studiato per essere gestito attraverso dei package managers come pu essere rpm, che permette di installare, disinstallare, verifica le dipendenze, ecc... Il tar.gz di solito una semplice raccolta di files sorgenti e di makefiles che permettono di compilare il programma, ma per evitare guai meglio sapere prima almeno lontanamente cosa si sta facendo. E' sicuramente divertente compilarsi i programmi per proprio conto ed a volte necessario (e tra l'altro si impara molto); per meglio sapere che spesso si possono fare "danni" :-) Quindi consiglio prima di partire con il make, di leggersi attentamente i files di documentazione che spesso trovate dentro al tar.gz. In particolare fate attenzione che il make install in genere sovrascrive senza riguardo quello che trova sull'HD, e che il make uninstall spesso non c' e se c' a volte fa pi danni che bene. Per provateci, si impara molto... :-))) -- Fabio Coatti http://www.ferrara.linux.it/members/cova Ferrara Linux Users Group http://ferrara.linux.it GnuPG fp:9765 A5B6 6843 17BC A646 BE8C FA56 373A 5374 C703 Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password.
Re: [newbie-it] installazioni di tar.gz...
Il 11:19, marted 13 marzo 2001, scrivesti: E' utile dire che il tar.gz non un pacchetto studiato per essere gestito attraverso dei package managers come pu essere rpm, che permette di installare, disinstallare, verifica le dipendenze, ecc... Il tar.gz di solito una semplice raccolta di files sorgenti e di makefiles che permettono di compilare il programma, ma per evitare guai meglio sapere prima almeno lontanamente cosa si sta facendo. E' sicuramente divertente compilarsi i programmi per proprio conto ed a volte necessario (e tra l'altro si impara molto); per meglio sapere che spesso si possono fare "danni" :-) Ah, un'indicazioe che pu essere utile per chi vuole giocherellare con i tar.gz e gli rpm: normalmente i pacchetti src.rpm (quelli che contengono i sorgenti e che con rpm --rebuild nomefile.src.rpm costruiscono l'eseguibile .i386.rpm) contengono al loro interno il tar.gz originale e le "istruzioni" per generare l'rpm eseguibile. Se installate un src.rpm con rpm -i, vi trovate in /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES il tar.gz ed in SPEC le "istruizoni" sotto forma di nomefile.spec Provate a guardarci dentro, si vede abbastanza bene come viene in realt creato un pacchetto rpm. -- Fabio Coatti http://www.ferrara.linux.it/members/cova Ferrara Linux Users Group http://ferrara.linux.it GnuPG fp:9765 A5B6 6843 17BC A646 BE8C FA56 373A 5374 C703 Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password.
[newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Ringrazio tutti quelli che pochi giorni fa volevano erigermi un monumento e che adesso neanche rispondono. Lo sviluppo di progetti come questo si appoggia alla collaborazione degli utilizzatori, al loro continuo confronto. Allora mi chiedo perch questo confronto sia cessato improvvisamente... Ricordo che il mio, o NOSTRO, problema riguardava i modem interni, che avevamo risolto, cos pareva... almeno. Di fronte a insorti nuovi problemi ho chiesto consiglio alla ML, senza tuttavia ricevere risposta alcuna da tutti coloro che come me ce l'avevano fatta. GRAZIE!
[newbie-it] kernel 2.4.2mdk.rpm
Ciao Quando provo a installare l' rpm del kernel 2.4.2 della mandrake Pakage Manager mi da un problema di dipendenze e mi richiede modutilis =2.4.2, io ho provato a cercare questo pacchetto su rpmfind ma non l'ho trovato. Qualcuno di voi riuscito a installare l'rpm di questo kernel ?
Re: [newbie-it] blocco kde
Esiste qualche combinazione di tasti per poter killare KDE, quando si blocca, senza resettare tutta la macchina? (Per fortuna la versione 2.0.1 va meglio della 2.0). Ciao e grazie. In generale per killare il server X ci sono 3 metodi: * Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (a meno che non sia disattivata questa possibilità in /etc/X11/XF86Config, in tal caso metti un # davanti a DontZap per attivarla) oppure * premi Ctrl+Alt+FX dove X è la consolle testuale virtuale da cui avevi avviato il server X e poi Ctrl-C, può sembrare grezzo ma funziona ;) oppure * apri una finestra di terminale digiti "ps x | more" per vedere un elenco dei processi in esecuzione. Cerchi poi kde-session e tieni a mente il numero corrispondente nella colonna PID. Quindi digiti "kill PID" sostituendo a PID il numero trovato prima. Antonio -- http://king.rett.polimi.it/~ant Il fatto è che KDE blocca proprio tutto, mouse compreso, e non è possibile aprire terminali o altro. Io ho provato con Ctrl+Alt+backspace oppure Ctrl+Alt+Tab o Ctrl+Alt+Fx ma niente da fare (proverò a mettere un cero alla madonna...;-) ). Ciao e grazie. -- Chieder è lecito, rispondere è cortesia.
Re:[newbie-it] Problemi con LILO
On Monday 12 March 2001 13:26, Giuseppe Foti wrote: Salve, ho un disperato bisogno di aiuto perch non riesco a risolvere un problema con LILO. Al boot della macchina appare LIL- e la macchina va in blocco. Entra facendo il boot dal cd della mandrake, e dando F1 e intanto cambia il lilo.conf. Poi dovrai vedere meglio l'opzione del disco da appendere, qui non so dirti. bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia www.acidlife.com/aciderror/freefred Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - www.davidebanda.nelweb.net ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
Re: [newbie-it] KDE2.1 [LM7.2]
On Monday 12 March 2001 17:42, Massimo wrote: Mi si bloccano spesso le applicazioni in mandrake 7.2 che cosa uso al posto di ctrl alt del ? crt + esc o per killarle dovresti pure avere l'icona dell' Xkill sul desktop o con un top e poi killi le applicazioni la tastiera sotto linux non edita la chiocciolina cosa posso usare? in che senso?che tastiera hai? bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia www.acidlife.com/aciderror/freefred Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - www.davidebanda.nelweb.net ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
Re: [newbie-it] blocco kde
On Tuesday 13 March 2001 10:43, Loris wrote: Il fatto che KDE blocca proprio tutto, mouse compreso, e non possibile aprire terminali o altro. Io ho provato con Ctrl+Alt+backspace oppure Ctrl+Alt+Tab o Ctrl+Alt+Fx ma niente da fare (prover a mettere un cero alla madonna...;-) ). Ciao e grazie. Capitava anche a me.Ora ho cambiato scheda madre e non lo fa piu', quindi forse nel mio caso era un problema hardware. Ti consiglio comunque di upgradare il kde. bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia www.acidlife.com/aciderror/freefred Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - www.davidebanda.nelweb.net ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
Re: [newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Ringrazio tutti quelli che pochi giorni fa volevano erigermi un monumento e [cut] ok, scusa, ma quando torni a casa dopo 4 giorni che non leggi + la posta e ti trovi qualcosa tipo 400 msg da leggere in un colpo capisci che diventa semplice non accorgersi di un messaggio o di eliminarlo epr errore :)) se riposti la domanda posso vedere se riesco a risponderti.. ciao Alessandro
R: [newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Scusa, ma mi sono iscritto alla ML da pochi giorni e non so a cosa ti riferisci pero' mi ha interessato il tuo accenno ai modem interni visto che ne ho uno anche io e non riesco a farlo funzionare (o meglio non riuscivo visto che ora non mi si installa piu' neanche il sistema operativo...ma questo e' un altro discorso). Potresti spiegarmi meglio (magari anche fuori dalla lista visto che questo chiarimento, credo, interessi solo a me) Grazie - Original Message - From: Demis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: [newbie-it] GRAZIE Ringrazio tutti quelli che pochi giorni fa volevano erigermi un monumento e che adesso neanche rispondono. Lo sviluppo di progetti come questo si appoggia alla collaborazione degli utilizzatori, al loro continuo confronto. Allora mi chiedo perch questo confronto sia cessato improvvisamente... Ricordo che il mio, o NOSTRO, problema riguardava i modem interni, che avevamo risolto, cos pareva... almeno. Di fronte a insorti nuovi problemi ho chiesto consiglio alla ML, senza tuttavia ricevere risposta alcuna da tutti coloro che come me ce l'avevano fatta. GRAZIE!
R: [newbie-it] problemone mouse!!!!!!
Non sono un esperto di linux visto che lo conosco da poco, ma credo che il tuo problema possa essere risolto lanciando dalla mo. testo xf86config: questo ti fara' rifare la configurazione di mouse, tastiera e monitor. Credo che puoi anche intervenire manualmente editando un file che dovrebbe essere XF86CONFIG ma su questo non ti so dire piu' di tanto. - Original Message - From: legion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: [newbie-it] problemone mouse!! ciao ho un problemonein mdk 7.2 ho erroneamente cambiato le impostazioni del mouse (in drakconf).mettendo un mouse diverso dal mio.(bravo l'idiota!) ora all'avvio parte solo la modal. testo,faccio init5 a parte quella grafica...ma il puntatore rimane fermo e non posso fare niente!!! come posso risolvere questo problemone? dalla modalita testo? come? help! help! LEGION
[newbie-it] mandrrake 7.1: errore durante l'installazione
Salve a tutti.Ho provato ad installare la versione 7.1 della Mandrake che in precedenzaavevo gia' installato senza problemi.Questa volta invece, dopo la selezione delle partizioni, e la selezionedelle partizioni da formattare, ottengo un errore che mi dice mount nonriuscito o qualcosa di simile.Le partizioni che io ho fatto sono 1 di swap da 128Mb e un'altra native conposizione di mount "/" da 2,3 Gb circa.Qualcuno e' in grado di aiutarmi?Grazie
Re:[newbie-it] Problemi con LILO
Il 14:26, luned 12 marzo 2001, Giuseppe Foti hai scritto: Salve, ho un disperato bisogno di aiuto perch non riesco a risolvere un problema con LILO. Al boot della macchina appare LIL- e la macchina va in blocco. Il problema comparso dopo aver cercato di aggiungere una riga al file liloconf : append="ide2=0x8000,0x7802" che doveva servire ad avviare linux senza passare ogni volta il suddetto parametro (necessario essendo il mio disco un Quantum Fireball ATA 100). La distribuzione di Linux che ho istallato la Mandrake 7.2 e sul sistema presente anche una partizione Windows. Qualcuno pu dirmi come devo modificarlo o cosa devo fare per riportare tutto ad una condizione normale??? Grazie Giuseppe Foti. Intanto per riportare tutto alla normalit dopo essere partito con il dischetto di boot digita da root "lilo" (sempre che tu non lo abbia gi fatto) Ciao Germano
R: [newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Ah allora ci siete. Scusate lo sfogo... e naturalmente hai ragione Daniele! E' interessante che quando mi sono iscritto il mio problema con il modem era uno dei temi pi trattati, mentre adesso vedo che le cose di complicano, ci sono persino richieste sulla configurazione di X, che dovrebbe essere svolta dall'installazione... e cose di questo genere. CMQ concludo qui, nell'attesa di poter rispondere e rendermi utile a qlc1 come in passato! CIAO!
Re: [newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Il 11:39, marted 13 marzo 2001, Demis hai scritto: Ringrazio tutti quelli che pochi giorni fa volevano erigermi un monumento e che adesso neanche rispondono. Lo sviluppo di progetti come questo si appoggia alla collaborazione degli utilizzatori, al loro continuo confronto. Allora mi chiedo perch questo confronto sia cessato improvvisamente... Ricordo che il mio, o NOSTRO, problema riguardava i modem interni, che avevamo risolto, cos pareva... almeno. Di fronte a insorti nuovi problemi ho chiesto consiglio alla ML, senza tuttavia ricevere risposta alcuna da tutti coloro che come me ce l'avevano fatta. GRAZIE! Niente ramanzina, ma comunque questa lista newbie il che implica che non ci sia gente esperta (me compreso) e a meno che qualche fenomeno discenda da piani superiori (e ogni tanto qualcuno si affaccia da queste parti) il massimo che si pu fare e scrivere e contemporaneamente cercare una soluzione per conto proprio. Io ho aspettato 4 mesi per far vedere un modem interno isdn ( peraltro c'era un bug della Mandrake che ho corretto anche postando a sviluppatori della SUSE) ma la soddisfazione di esserci riuscito da solo incalcolabile. Comunque continua a scrivere e persevera. Ciao Germano
Re: [newbie-it] mandrrake 7.1: errore durante l'installazione
Vuole la usr per metterci i programmi Ciao Pier Antonio - Original Message - From: emi80 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: [newbie-it] mandrrake 7.1: errore durante l'installazione Salve a tutti.Ho provato ad installare la versione 7.1 della Mandrake che in precedenzaavevo gia' installato senza problemi.Questa volta invece, dopo la selezione delle partizioni, e la selezionedelle partizioni da formattare, ottengo un errore che mi dice mount nonriuscito o qualcosa di simile.Le partizioni che io ho fatto sono 1 di swap da 128Mb e un'altra native conposizione di mount "/" da 2,3 Gb circa.Qualcuno e' in grado di aiutarmi?Grazie
Re: R: [newbie-it] GRAZIE!!!!
Il 16:37, marted 13 marzo 2001, emi80 hai scritto: Scusa, ma mi sono iscritto alla ML da pochi giorni e non so a cosa ti riferisci pero' mi ha interessato il tuo accenno ai modem interni visto che ne ho uno anche io e non riesco a farlo funzionare (o meglio non riuscivo visto che ora non mi si installa piu' neanche il sistema operativo...ma questo e' un altro discorso). Potresti spiegarmi meglio (magari anche fuori dalla lista visto che questo chiarimento, credo, interessi solo a me) Grazie Scusa se mi impiccio (non mandarmi a quel paese) ma non detto che il chiarimento serva solo a te e se non dici che modem hai a tutta la ML riduci le probabilit che qualcun' altro possa risponderti. Tu scrivi poi vediamo che si pu fare. Ciao e scusa ancora Germano
[newbie-it] Problemino con la shel...
Sera a tutti. Vorrei realizzare alcuni script per semplificarmi la vita ma mi ritrovo di fronte ad un problema.. come fare ad automatizzare uno script che ad esempio apre un collegamento telnet ad un server linux per trasportare l'X, ovvero, se lancio: "telnet 192.168.0.1" lui risponde bla bla bla "login:" ecc... solita trafila.. ci che vorrei sapere se possibile realizzare uno script che automaticamente infili il "login", la pwd ecc.. visto che il ";" pare proprio no funzionare:-( ci sar pure un modo per prelevare lo standard output e redirezionare ad esempio richiamando una sequenza di file esterni "login", "pwd" ecc.. come standard imput. O forse solo un sogno? La parola agli esperti..
Re: [newbie-it] chiocciolina
Massimo wrote: la tastiera sotto linux non edita la chiocciolina cosa posso usare? Sotto Netscape: sto compilando un form, tipo l'attivazione di una email e provo a digitare il mio indirizzo email, sorpresa con ctrl alt e chiocciolina questa non viene digitata. la mia tastiera una logitech wireless italiana normalissima a parte il wireless penso 101 tasti come le altre?? Sulla mia si preme la chiocciolina insieme a "AltGr"... Corrado
[newbie-it] chiocciolina
la tastiera sotto linux non edita la chiocciolina cosa posso usare? Sotto Netscape: sto compilando un form, tipo l'attivazione di una email e provo a digitare il mio indirizzo email, sorpresa con ctrl alt e chiocciolina questa non viene digitata. la mia tastiera una logitech wireless italiana normalissima a parte il wireless penso 101 tasti come le altre??
[newbie] Nautilus 1.0 install
Has anybody installed the just-released Nautilus 1.0 for Gnome yet? It looks mighty impressive. But I'm not sure whether I'd get a trouble- free install with the Redhat 6.x RPMs?
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2 'make' woes
On Monday 12 March 2001 11:10 pm, Dave Wilson wrote: Okay, I did a fresh complete install of Mandrake 7.2 (using discs from the Complete box set). My problem is when I extract a tarball and ./configure it, I get errors when I use the 'make' command. I would think that Mandrake would have everything necessary to do this included on the install, so perhaps I am doing something wrong. Much thanks in advance for any and all help. http://mandrakeuser.org/basics/bsource.html That's the first of 3 pages that cover what you need and how to compile source. -- Dale Earnhardt, the greatest stock car driver ever, he's won his 8th and His Greatest Championship Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
[newbie] video card compatable with xfree
i'm trying to find out if the following card will work with xfree Matrox Mystique 220 Business with a MGA-1164SG chip set. i check the Matrox site, no mentions of Linux there. checked the Xfree site. they have some matrox products listed, but not this specific one, nor this specific chip set. should i assume then that it is not supported? thanks much for any assistance. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] Can't access CD drives - even as root
Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232 Graham Watkins
[newbie] Help? USB modem
I have a supported (ZOOM USB) modem (linux-USB.org). LM-7.2 sees my TWO USB ports. When I run HardDrake to install a modem, it gives me options of Serial, ISDN and so forth, but not USB. What file to I change (and how do I change it) so the USB will be an option for the modem? thanks if you can help, Don Don Hinds - photo, motorcycle, misc. http://www.wyzards.com Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
[newbie] Can't access CD drives - even as root
Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232
Re: [newbie] Nautilus 1.0 install
There was a comment on Linux Today saying that there was some problem installing under Mandrake 7.2. Don't know the details... (Interesting how, after all this time, the Ximian installer still doesn't support 7.2. I wonder if Eazel is experiencing the same "problem"...) M. On Tuesday 13 March 2001 06:07, Syamsul Anwar wrote: Has anybody installed the just-released Nautilus 1.0 for Gnome yet? It looks mighty impressive. But I'm not sure whether I'd get a trouble- free install with the Redhat 6.x RPMs? -- Michael O'Henly TENZO Design
[newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232
[newbie] Re: lilo/grub problem
You had the problem with lilo boot. You have to set the lilo parameters right and write to right drive. As you told, you have windows in first drive, assumed /dev/hda, and linux in second, /dev/hdb. You need to go in linuxconf and write lilo in the second drive, /dev/hdb. I had also problems when moving boot sectors and/or partitions, I like it is better to write always new lilo. That way partition data of lilo keeps in current and it wont crash. Ari
[newbie] bash and fc
Greetings, I have Mandrake 7.2 installed, using the Gnome interface (althoughmy problem also exists with KDE) but pledge no allegence, and cannot get the 'normal' fc behavior to work. By normal, I mean: when pressing the ESC key, it should enter the vi editing mode and allow j / k to scroll through the command history. It does not. in my .bashrc file in my login directory, I have: set -o vi export FCEDIT=/bin/vi is there something that I need to put in my .inputrc file so that the ESC will 'invoke' vi ? Thanks for any help! "Like so many Americans, she was trying to construct a life that made sense from things she found in gift shops."Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices!
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2 'make' woes
Did you install "development" version? Dave Wilson wrote: Okay, I did a fresh complete install of Mandrake 7.2 (using discs from the Complete box set). My problem is when I extract a tarball and ./configure it, I get errors when I use the 'make' command. I would think that Mandrake would have everything necessary to do this included on the install, so perhaps I am doing something wrong. Much thanks in advance for any and all help. dave _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
[newbie] Security Issues
Does anyone know of a good utility program to use in order to test security on a Linux box? Andrew
[newbie] Backup needed
If I buy the disc imaging program Ghost 6.5 and install it on the Win2000 primary channel hard drive, will the program be able to see my MK7.2 ext2 system on a second hard drive set as master on the secondary IDE controller? My goal is to get a convenient, speedy way to backup my Linux system so I will be less hesitant to try modifying it for my special needs. Could I get this convenience by splitting the second hard drive (devoted to Linux) into an experimental partition and a backup partition? Would the dd command allow a complete restore of a saved backup, to the experimantal partition, without a lot of manual intervention? Thanks for any suggestions. Don
Re: [newbie] Can't access CD drives - even as root
I've experienced this problem too, In my case, i had the devices mounted as supermount filesystem when there was no media in the drives i would get similar errors, however putting media in them did the trick. also got the same type of errors with blank cd's. since you brought up that you have a 4802TE, may I ask if it is working under linux ? root wrote: Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232 Graham Watkins
Re: [newbie] Installed ppp daemon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, managed on my own to install the missing pppd all by myself. I have to say that normally I would be proud of figuring it out myself if it weren't for the fact it took forever. The help files was as useful as a MS help file. Anyway now my problem is that Linux cannot communicate with my modem. It "sees" it but can't talk in order to set up my Internet account. For some reason through DrakeHard or if I have that backwards. Can't work with it because its a winmodem. As I understand it a winmodem is software based right? I have a CreativeLabs Modem Blaster flash56 PCI. It is also listed as HCFMODEM. What is it I am missing and do I need to download something. = HFC modem is a winmodem. Only a very small handful of these cheapies have had workable drivers written for them in linux, usually because manufactures do not cooperate and force willing developer to do considerable reverse engineering to get them to work. You can check the "linmodem" site to see if yours is supported, or (my advice) buy a decent external modem. Even when winmodems to work, they are using processor cycles to do the job of real modem hardware. Just my $0.02, Mike -- "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there." --Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [newbie] Time Space
Then there are the new subscribers that don't have the original on disc or those of us who don't want to or wouldn't be practical to search through the list to find the original in the over 7000 messages currently in newbie@linux-mandrake. All attempts to standardize this list meet with profuse resistance, where it is not futile, as evidenced by the fact that it never gets implimented. But thank you for your thoughts and you have a real nice day. -s snipped to save Gerry's hdd
[newbie] (Newbie) Printer for Linux
Dear All, I am thinking of purchasing a printer and I wonder if the Lexmark Z52 jetprinter works well with Linux. Has anyone used this one with Linux? Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Marcia
[newbie] Kernel-2.4-2 vs VMware
Hi Folks !!! I have some problems with VMware and a new kernel-2.4.2. I install VMware under kernel-2.3.17 and it's OK, but when I update it to 2.4.2 VMware stop run. So, I restart the old kernel and everything alright. To compile the kernel-2.4.2 I use the packages: kernel-doc-2.4.2-4mdk; kernel-headers-2.4.2-4mdk; kernel-source-2.4.2-5mdk; modutils-2.4.2-2mdk; The error message says the kernel-modules are missing... (something like this !!!) what I can do ??? Lúcio Costa.
Re: [newbie] installation, rights uninstall 101
Andrei Raevsky wrote: Being a genuine newbie (defecting from MS) I have five basic questions: 1) do I need root rights to install programs? I suppose that it depends on the path of installation - but I am unsure as to how to specify them. Most programs when installed seem to "choose" their paths. I was told that it is dangerous to log on as root - hence I would like to find a way to make ALL my installations logged as a user and not as a root. Don't be that afraid to carry out functions as root. Most prepackaged apps (RPM's and the like) infact expect the installer to be root. The suggestions against using root as the default login are simply to reduce the chance of deleting or altering critical files by accident. If you are concerned, login as root only when installing :-) On the other hand, there ARE apps which can be installed happily as a standard user. Star Office, will allow this, as will many other apps. The only caveat is that you will have to place the files in a location that the user has write access to... 2) how can I check the rights of a user? ls -la|more will display the file permissions of any directory your user has access to. It will display something akin to this: -rw-r--r-- 1 nlilly grounlil 607 Mar 8 17:32 directions.txt drwx-- 2 nlilly grounlil 1024 Jan 26 16:12 diskhog drwxr-xr-x 3 nlilly nlilly 1024 Mar 26 2000 djpim-1.02 drwxr-xr-x 2 nlilly grounlil 1024 Jan 20 01:35 england drwxr-xr-x 4 nlilly nlilly 1024 May 25 2000 gossip -rw-r--r-- 1 nlilly grounlil 104095 Feb 9 10:57 libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm drwx-- 2 nlilly nlilly 1024 Apr 27 2000 mail The string of letters and dashes provides the information you seek. For example: -rw-r--r-- 1 nlilly grounlil 607 Mar 8 17:32 directions.txt says that the owner nlilly has rw- (read and write but not execute) permissions, groundlil has r-- (only read) and everyone else has r--. Form more information on this read the ls manual (type "man ls" at a command prompt). 3) how do I check the status of a variable? for example, I can set "history=220" - but do I check the status of history type "env|more" at a command prompt. 4)how do you do an "uninstall" of an installed software. How do I know where all the files were installed? That depends. If the app was installed by using an RPM, then as root, typing "rpm -e the rpm name>" will remove it. If the file was directly compiled and installed, then refer to the config file of the src. Poring through it will generally tell you what was installed and where. last question: some programs are started by the command ./nameoftheprogram "./" is what is called a relative reference referring to the directory that the prompt is in. Applications, when lauched, must be explicitly identified. If the app is found in a directory that is already in your user's search path (for example the /usr/bin directory ) then just typing the name of the app will launch it. If, however, the app is in some other location (for example the home directory of the user) then you have to provide the path to the app. There are 2 ways to do this: absolute referencing and relative referencing. Absolute referencing states the path to the app from the root of the system (eg. "/home/toulon/.august/August" ). Relative references only describe the path from the directory that the command prompt presently resides in. If, for example, the command terminal window has just been opened, the command prompt will reside in the home directory of the user. If the app to be launched also can be found there, then the relative path would be "./the app name>" what does this mean? were can I find help on the ./ command? many thanks! _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- North Lilly Lan Administrator School of Library and Information Science Kent State University 330-672-2782 The Goddess is Alive and Magic is Afoot!
Re: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
Well, don't know if this applies, and I don't want or intend to insult your intelligence as related to linux, as I am a complete newbie, but I know my cd drives do that if the disc doesn't have any relation to linux whatsoever. Try mounting it with one of the linux cd's in the drive. Hope this helps. Matt On Tuesday 13 March 2001 11:10, you wrote: Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232
[newbie] RPM Packages
I am trying to install an RPM package on Mandrake Linux 7.0 and the error it gives is that this RPM is onnly for major packages =3. How do i install the package? regards, akshay
Re: [newbie] bash and fc
You probably don't want to do that cause ESC is used when in vi to change modes in preparation for saving and exiting. One usually 'turns on' vi by typing "vi the file you want to edit or the new file you want to create". Then type an "a" to change it to insert mode (or what I think of as edit mode). Do your thing. Then esc : w (to save) q (to quit). This is what's considered normal I suppose. That's all esc will do for me, and j k scroll through the file, just as the arrow keys do. Also, I wouldn't be messing around in that .bashrc file too much. HTHS. -s On Tuesday 13 March 2001 10:30 am, you wrote: Greetings, I have Mandrake 7.2 installed, using the Gnome interface (although my problem also exists with KDE) but pledge no allegence, and cannot get the 'normal' fc behavior to work. By normal, I mean: when pressing the ESC key, it should enter the vi editing mode and allow j / k to scroll through the command history. It does not. in my .bashrc file in my login directory, I have: set -o vi export FCEDIT=/bin/vi is there something that I need to put in my .inputrc file so that the ESC will 'invoke' vi ? Thanks for any help! "Like so many Americans, she was trying to construct a life that made sense from things she found in gift shops." - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description:
Re: [newbie] lilo/grub problem
Jamie M. Dyer wrote: I have got a problem with the lilo boot loader, It was working fine up untill I changed some of the settings using the mandrake config tools. I removed some old options that I did not use and changed the delay time. After I did this I rebooted and instead of the lilo screen I got this 'L1 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01. etc. etc.' this goes on untill you reboot. I run a triple boot system with win2000 win98 an linux mandrake 7.2, win2000 and win98 are on the first partition of the first hard disk and linux is on the first partition of the second hard disk. I have managed to get back the MBR by copying the system files from a win98 boot disk, then fdisk /mbr I then had to insert the win2000 cd while in win98 and run setup to get the win2000 boot menu back. I have added linux to the win 2000 boot menu and moved lilo from the mbr to the second hard disk. Now when I choose linux on the boot menu I get the 'L1 01 01 01 01...' thing, does anyone know how I can get lilo to start working propperly, at the moment I'm having to use a boot floppy. Thank you JamieD JamieDyou need to boot Linux with your boot floppy (made during installation) edit (as root) the first line of your /etc/lilo.conf file to read: boot=/dev/hdbX where X is the number of the partition on hdb (hdb is your second IDE hard drive) where the Linux kernal resides. If you have a seperate /boot partition then X is the number of the /boot partition, if not then X is the number of the / partition. Your win2000 boot menu entry must also point at this partition. Then save the /etc/lilo.conf file and at a console prompt (as root) type: /sbin/lilo -v -- Alan
Re: [newbie] Does your update and installer freeze mdk7.2?
Well, my rpmdrake doesn't work anymore after installing kde2.1. The updater still functions properly. I didn't have any trouble out of either with the beta. -s On Monday 12 March 2001 02:32 pm, you wrote: Hi everybody, Lately, whenever I try to install a package, the installation causes my drive to whir away. Then, the desktop freezes. Has any one experienced this with mdk7.2? This is after I installed KDE2.1 beta 2.
Re: [newbie] Security Issues
Andrew wrote: Does anyone know of a good utility program to use in order to test security on a Linux box? Andrew http://crypto.yashy.com/
[newbie] Need help with SoundStudio PLEASE RESPOND!!!
I can't get soundstudio to work, all versions are useless and broken, one says: [ntr@kittypuss ntr]$ studio Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/home/lenny/rpm/BUILD/SoundStudio/init.tk": no such file or directory while executing "source $MYFILES/init.tk " (file "/usr/bin/studio" line 33) [ntr@kittypuss ntr]$ studio Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/home/lenny/rpm/BUILD/SoundStudio/init.tk": no such file or directory while executing "source $MYFILES/init.tk " (file "/usr/bin/studio" line 33) [ntr@kittypuss ntr]$ and another will not save what you recorded, What can I do? I require a soundfile editor that is NOT in beta or has poopy quality.
[newbie] Web Cam III
Does anyone know how can I use the Creative Web Can III (USB) in Mandrake Linux 7.2 ? I don't have any articles or programs, can You send me any Links ??? Thanks !!! Lúcio Costa.
Re: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
Try this as root in terminal mode: Type in as one line: (make sure spacing is correctmake sure you have the semicolons and the "s alias CD+="mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom; cd /mnt/cdrom; ls -aF --color=auto" also type: alias CD-="cd; /mnt/cdrom" (That's CD-) Be sure you have a CD in the #1 tray. Type: CD+ You should see the contents of the CD now type in CD- ( You can't remove the CD until you execute CD- ) You can check your other CD (#2) by making aliases for CD2+ and CD2- substitute cdrom2for cdrom If you're satisfied with the results. put these commands verbatim in/etc/bashrc then restart your computer. You'll be able to access any CD. with CD+ ( or CD2+ ) and restore with CD- (or CD2-) Please let me know direct if this worked for you. I'm just a newbie too but I stayed at the Holiday Inn once. Matt Harrison wrote: Well, don't know if this applies, and I don't want or intend to insult your intelligence as related to linux, as I am a complete newbie, but I know my cd drives do that if the disc doesn't have any relation to linux whatsoever. Try mounting it with one of the linux cd's in the drive. Hope this helps. Matt On Tuesday 13 March 2001 11:10, you wrote: Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232
Re: [newbie] MS Outlook
On Tuesday 13 March 2001 02:54, you wrote: Hi, To the best of my knowledge, I don't think you can migrate your Outlook email easily to Linux. Outlook uses very proprietary format. Outlook Express is actually the lesser of the 2 evil in terms of mailbox compatibility. A quick search brought a few from freshmeat I'm sure they are a lot more available. mbx2mbox Converts Outlook Express .mbx files into standard RFC822 mail files. liboe Library for importing Outlook Express 5 mailboxes. OtlkToNs A mail converter from OutLook Express to NS Communicator. Outlook2Ical Convert MS Outlook Caledar to Ical (.calendar) Dawn, The Address Manager E-mail address book converter. John. Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.
[newbie] SoundStudio, sox, useless, need better sound file editor
freshmeat.net, sourceforce, (screw typos) google, all show nothing, pelase help
Re: [newbie] Backup needed
** Reply to message from Don Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:26:36 -0800 I believe that Windows can't see an ext2 partition, but a Linux partions can see the Windows partition. I have the same issue with OS/2 and Linux, so I simply back up both through Linux. - Andy
Re: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
Sorry about the garble in my previous message---here's a better version, I hope. Again, use care with the spacing---single space alias CD+="mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom; cd /mnt/cdrom; ls -aF --color=auto"
Re: [newbie] Web Cam III
www.linuxnewbie.com look at the menu on left Lcio Costa wrote: Does anyone know how can I use the Creative Web Can III (USB) in Mandrake Linux 7.2 ? I don't have any articles or programs, can You send me any Links ??? Thanks !!! Lcio Costa. -- Registered Linux User: 167369 = http://www.kompukit.com = [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ# 7110071 Personal WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org WebDesigner: http://www.kompukit.com/kitdesigns (Personal Server runs: M-F= 7pm-12am S+S=12pm-12am) (US EST)
RE: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
At first if you want to use your CDRW you should enable scsi emulation, which can be done by putting the following lines in your LILO config file: append hdc=ide-scsi , if your CDRW drive is connected as Secundary Master ,don't forget after this rerun lilo , and take a look at /dev/cdrom to see references to real devices as example dev/cdrom - scd0 or dev/cdrom - hdc Of course you can run HardDrake and go to cdrom section to refer how your drives is recognized - normally should be two entries for CDRW one as hdc device and one as scd0 device. Hope this helps. Kind regards Andris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root Well, don't know if this applies, and I don't want or intend to insult your intelligence as related to linux, as I am a complete newbie, but I know my cd drives do that if the disc doesn't have any relation to linux whatsoever. Try mounting it with one of the linux cd's in the drive. Hope this helps. Matt On Tuesday 13 March 2001 11:10, you wrote: Here's a funny thing! Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or user, I am refused access. Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little padlocks on them. Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output error". The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful for guidance. I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232
Re: [newbie] Can't Access CD Drives - even as root
What do the /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab files look like? My first guess would be that the system has been set up to expect a file system type other than what you are trying to mount (ie. it's expecting a linux disk and you are trying to mount an ISO9660 CD). I've seen this happen occasionally when the system attempted to use the "supermount" protocols. The second thing that comes mind is that the wrong drivers are being used for your CD roms. Both of these could cause the errors you are reporting. In order to test the first possibility : from a shell type the following command as root (onece you've inserted a windows CD): mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom. If it is simply a matter of the wrong file type, this will successfully mount the windows disk. Matt Harrison wrote: Well, don't know if this applies, and I don't want or intend to insult your intelligence as related to linux, as I am a complete newbie, but I know my cd drives do that if the disc doesn't have any relation to linux whatsoever. Try mounting it with one of the linux cd's in the drive. Hope this helps. Matt On Tuesday 13 March 2001 11:10, you wrote: > Here's a funny thing! > > Whenever I try to access either of my CD drives, whether as root or > user, I am refused access. > > Using Konqueror, I get the message: "Unableto enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You > do not have access rights to this location." - if root doesn't have > access, who does? My CD drives are shown under /mnt with little > padlocks on them. > > Using a terminal command: ls /mnt/cdrom, I get the message "Input/output > error". > > The only way I have ever been able to get round it is to boot from a > floppy rather than LILO - this is a hassle. > > If anyone has encountered and solved this problem, I would be grateful > for guidance. > > I am running Mandrake 7.2 (never had this problem with 7.1) and my > drives are a Mitsumi 4802TE (re-writable) and Samsung SCR232 -- North Lilly Lan Administrator School of Library and Information Science Kent State University 330-672-2782 The Goddess is Alive and Magic is Afoot!
[newbie] OT Check this out
1. == COMMENTARY == Hi all, One of the quieter Microsoft policies that spurred newfound interest recently is Windows source-code licensing. Despite news reports, which at least partially blame the popularity of open-source OS Linux for this development, Microsoft tells me that it has been giving out the Windows source code for years. And although the company has indeed expanded the program in recent months, the move has absolutely nothing to do with Linux or any other open-source project. After speaking with Microsoft about this matter, I have to wonder: Why would a typical customer even want the Windows source code? Steve Lipner, lead program manager for Microsoft's .NET Server Marketing Group explained the situation. "I'm not sure that everyone knows this, but Microsoft has licensed the Windows source code to large OEMs and academic and research institutions for a number of years, dating back to before the development of Windows NT. OEM licensing lets our partners adapt Windows to their platforms. Microsoft provides research and academic licensing for a variety of research and experimental purposes." In the enterprise market that Microsoft is now chasing, corporations have been licensing OS source code for some time; companies such as IBM and Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC, now part of Compaq) have always given their largest customers OS source code. The reasons are practical: Large enterprises require OS source code to help them develop and tune applications for particular platforms. As Microsoft's OS products have moved into the higher-end enterprise markets, Microsoft has increasingly heard from customers that Windows source-code access would help them debug their own applications. "In the interest of meeting this need," Lipner told me, "Microsoft started to explore its options about a year ago. Six months ago, a pilot program, which eventually grew to include about 12 customers in the United States, was begun to provide them with the Windows source code. Because [the program] was a success and customers found that access valuable, we are now rolling out the Enterprise Source Licensing Program in the United States. And we're planning to do pilot programs and rollouts in other geographies where we have major customers. The program itself will be open to 1000 major customers. We expect some customers will want it and others won't. When we're done, Microsoft will have hundreds of licensed customers in the United States." Access to the Windows source code comes at a price, of course. Customers will have to sign extremely restrictive contracts, and they won't be able to modify the source code or create modified versions of Windows. The company says the reason is obvious: Microsoft doesn't want to see multiple versions of Windows out there. "We believe it's in our customer's best interests--and ours--to have a standard, stable platform," Lipner said. One barrier to the source code is its size. The Enterprise Source Licensing Program provides select customers with the source code to all editions of Windows 2000, all Win2K service packs, and beta versions of Windows XP. Although Microsoft isn't talking, estimates place the amount of code in Win2K at 30 million lines, so the company is unlikely to ever open the source code up to a wider audience because only the largest companies have the facilities and technical staff to use the source code. "One of the biggest benefits is that for debugging, developers can set break points in the OS," Lipner said. Break points will help them determine where problems occur and get applications to market quicker. One tidbit surprised me: Microsoft isn't setting up a formal bug-reporting process for these companies to use when they find bugs in the OS. Instead, bug reports will go through regular support channels. In fact, it was this decision that led to the publicity about the licensing program: When Microsoft had to alert its distributed support infrastructure to expect bug reports that might relate to Windows source code, the company realized that news of the source-code distribution would get out--and chose to proactively discuss the program with the press. Finally, Lipner was quick to point out that Linux and other open-source software projects had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to expand Windows source-code licensing. "This program is an attempt to meet the needs of our customers, period," he said. "We're not doing this in reaction to Linux or anything else, any more than DEC's licensing of VMS [a decade ago] was in response to Linux. It's just something that our enterprise customers expect." Although Microsoft isn't revealing the names of the corporations, financial institutions, and educational and research institutions that have licensed the Windows source code, it wouldn't be hard to guess who some of them are. But should Microsoft open up this code to all business customers? And shouldn't formal bug reporting be part of
Re: [newbie] Does your update and installer freeze mdk7.2?
s wrote: Well, my rpmdrake doesn't work anymore after installing kde2.1. The updater still functions properly. I didn't have any trouble out of either with the beta. -s On Monday 12 March 2001 02:32 pm, you wrote: Hi everybody, Lately, whenever I try to install a package, the installation causes my drive to whir away. Then, the desktop freezes. Has any one experienced this with mdk7.2? This is after I installed KDE2.1 beta 2. I hope it's not too late but I would recommend sticking with KDE2.1 beta 2 until Version 8 is released. Do you still have copies of the rpms? Roman
Re: [newbie] Can't access CD drives - even as root
** Reply to message from root [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:12:54 + A couple of things to look at: 1. Whatever account mounted the CD should also unmount the CD. Logical right? Not quite, because it doesn't always work. 2. Go in as root to your device and mount points and check that you indeed have read/write permissions set properly -- that means they should be enabled (checked) for whoever uses the drive. As I had trouble with this, I just gave everyone that right. 3. Go to your CD icon on the desktop, or in your directory. Right click on the icon -- does the word "mount" or "unmount" show up in the menu? If yes, then you should be able to click it. If not, then you have the wrong device / mount point attached to your icon. Here I get fuzzy, because this is where I had the most trouble and am not sure (yet) what got me out. If neither "mount" nor "unmount" shows up on the file menu, delete the icon from the desktop. Go to HardDrak under filesystems and see if the CD is visible there. If it is, then play with the settings until it works. If it's not, then go to /dev/### (I don't know the device name for your CD, and try to copy that to the desktop. Click on that and work with the properties. The trick is to get the "mount" and "unmount" show up when you right click the icon. Hope this helps -- sorry about the fuzziness of (3), but I am somewhat uncertain about this. Thanks! -Andy
Re: [newbie] RPM Packages
Sounds like the rpm you are trying to install is made for version 4 of the rpm program.I do not think it will work but someone else might be able to help better than I.Good luck... Dale Kosan
