subject:"\[newbie\-it\] find"

Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

2005-03-29 Per discussione SnapafunFrank

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
My /dev/hdc is a symlink to /udev/hdc and /udev lists /hdc so that is
loaded.

Yet when I go :
# mount /dev/hdc
or
# mount /udev/hdc
I get the above message
My fstab entry for this is:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto
0 0

and I have tried:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/udev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto
0 0

so something is not working correctly:
I also have before this call:
none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
Any ideas anyone ?
PS. Once I get the above resolved could someone tell what the - -
in the mount options mean

and also
what the none at the beginning actual does and of course how is
it over~ridden.

All the reading I have done hasn't explained these two points to me
as yet.

Your DVD is being handled by supermount. What this is susposed to do
is when a disk is inserted in the drive, it gets mounted automaticly.
Not happening at present though it did once upon a time.
The reasion you could not mount it using the device name is because
you do not have a fstab entry that starts with /dev/hdc, and /dev/hdc
is not a mount point used in an ftab entry. If you had tried mount
/mnt/dvd-rw it probably would have worked.

One thig I am a bit puzzeled about it the /udev directory. What
version of Mandrake are you using? Did you add udev yourself, or was
it part of the install? Was this a fresh install, or an upgrage?

Mikkel
I added udev by urpmi sometime after my initial clean installation
because I was after flexibility for my flash drives. I actually followed
a Flash USB howto that appeared to work in that particular session but
afterward it just got to be confused so I resolved to sort it out for
myself. ( I also installed sysfs and a couple of other requirements at
the time.)

I'm running Mandrake10 Official ~ KDE-3.2.3 ~ Kernel-2.6.3-7 and have
stuck with it because I needed to install the OpenGL + nvidia drivers
for a little 3D experience.

Your reply makes sense and I will look to that shortly, but for now,
though I can mount data cds and dvds, ( manually ) as user OK , and
read/write the contents, ~ but I am unable to get my audio cd's playing
anymore nor does it appear that supermount is actually working, ( I say
'appear' because things might be going on in the background that I'm not
privy to yet.)

At one time after I had installed udev I used to place a blank dvd in my
writer and k3b would fire up automatically ~ not at present however.

I have been following your efforts here and gone the way of symlinks in
my .rules file and created links to replace things like /mnt/cdrom2 in
case my system needs to look for that instead of /mnt/dvd-cd when
relating to /udev/hdd or /dev/hdd ( one and same device of course which
troubles me a wee bit ~ same device listed twice ~ don't understand this
part yet. ie. Why is the /dev directory still about when I have
uninstalled devfsd and issued devfs=nomount within lilo? As yet '
the penny ain't dropped ' on this one.)

So a question to get me started here ~ how can I check that supermount
is working ? eg. is there some way to log it's efforts so as to get some
clues for troubleshooting ? )

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Regards
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Registered Linux User # 324213

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Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

2005-03-29 Per discussione Mikkel L. Ellertson

SnapafunFrank wrote:
I added udev by urpmi sometime after my initial clean installation 
because I was after flexibility for my flash drives. I actually followed 
a Flash USB howto that appeared to work in that particular session but 
afterward it just got to be confused so I resolved to sort it out for 
myself. ( I also installed sysfs and a couple of other requirements at 
the time.)

I'm running Mandrake10 Official ~ KDE-3.2.3 ~ Kernel-2.6.3-7 and have 
stuck with it because I needed to install the OpenGL + nvidia drivers 
for a little 3D experience.

Your reply makes sense and I will look to that shortly, but for now, 
though I can mount data cds and dvds, ( manually ) as user OK , and 
read/write the contents, ~ but I am unable to get my audio cd's playing 
anymore nor does it appear that supermount is actually working, ( I say 
'appear' because things might be going on in the background that I'm not 
privy to yet.)

How are you trying to play audio CDs?
At one time after I had installed udev I used to place a blank dvd in my 
writer and k3b would fire up automatically ~ not at present however.

I believe this is handled by magicdev, but I could be wrong.
I have been following your efforts here and gone the way of symlinks in 
my .rules file and created links to replace things like /mnt/cdrom2 in 
case my system needs to look for that instead of /mnt/dvd-cd when 
relating to /udev/hdd or /dev/hdd ( one and same device of course which 
troubles me a wee bit ~ same device listed twice ~ don't understand this 
part yet. ie. Why is the /dev directory still about when I have 
uninstalled devfsd and issued  devfs=nomount  within lilo? As yet ' 
the penny ain't dropped ' on this one.)

The /dev directory will stay unless you delete it. (I don't recomend 
that!). The /dev directory entries should still work. They are used 
during boot, before udev is started, and the udev file system is 
mounted. With Mandrake 10.1, the udev file system is mounted on top of 
/dev. This has the affect of hiding the old entries, while still leting 
commands that expect to find the device nodes in /dev still work.
So a question to get me started here ~ how can I check that supermount 
is working ? eg. is there some way to log it's efforts so as to get some 
clues for troubleshooting ? )

ps ax | grep supermount
mount | grep supermount
The first should show you if supermount is running, and the second 
should show any active supermount mounts.

Mikkel
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for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!

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Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

2005-03-29 Per discussione aron smith

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 09:04 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 SnapafunFrank wrote:
  I added udev by urpmi sometime after my initial clean installation
  because I was after flexibility for my flash drives. I actually followed
  a Flash USB howto that appeared to work in that particular session but
  afterward it just got to be confused so I resolved to sort it out for
  myself. ( I also installed sysfs and a couple of other requirements at
  the time.)
 
  I'm running Mandrake10 Official ~ KDE-3.2.3 ~ Kernel-2.6.3-7 and have
  stuck with it because I needed to install the OpenGL + nvidia drivers
  for a little 3D experience.
 
  Your reply makes sense and I will look to that shortly, but for now,
  though I can mount data cds and dvds, ( manually ) as user OK , and
  read/write the contents, ~ but I am unable to get my audio cd's playing
  anymore nor does it appear that supermount is actually working, ( I say
  'appear' because things might be going on in the background that I'm not
  privy to yet.)

 How are you trying to play audio CDs?

  At one time after I had installed udev I used to place a blank dvd in my
  writer and k3b would fire up automatically ~ not at present however.
Try an audio CD lens cleaner disk sometimes works for me
also check if your cd is mounted before you start if so un mount it
also I have found that a lot of the cheaper cds some in a pack can be good 
some bad

 I believe this is handled by magicdev, but I could be wrong.

  I have been following your efforts here and gone the way of symlinks in
  my .rules file and created links to replace things like /mnt/cdrom2 in
  case my system needs to look for that instead of /mnt/dvd-cd when
  relating to /udev/hdd or /dev/hdd ( one and same device of course which
  troubles me a wee bit ~ same device listed twice ~ don't understand this
  part yet. ie. Why is the /dev directory still about when I have
  uninstalled devfsd and issued  devfs=nomount  within lilo? As yet '
  the penny ain't dropped ' on this one.)

 The /dev directory will stay unless you delete it. (I don't recomend
 that!). The /dev directory entries should still work. They are used
 during boot, before udev is started, and the udev file system is
 mounted. With Mandrake 10.1, the udev file system is mounted on top of
 /dev. This has the affect of hiding the old entries, while still leting
 commands that expect to find the device nodes in /dev still work.

  So a question to get me started here ~ how can I check that supermount
  is working ? eg. is there some way to log it's efforts so as to get some
  clues for troubleshooting ? )

 ps ax | grep supermount
 mount | grep supermount

 The first should show you if supermount is running, and the second
 should show any active supermount mounts.

 Mikkel


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[newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

2005-03-28 Per discussione SnapafunFrank

My /dev/hdc is a symlink to /udev/hdc and /udev lists /hdc so that is 
loaded.

Yet when I go :
# mount /dev/hdc
or
# mount /udev/hdc
I get the above message
My fstab entry for this is:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount 
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto 
0 0

and I have tried:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount 
dev=/udev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto 
0 0

so something is not working correctly:
I also have before this call:
none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
Any ideas anyone ?
PS. Once I get the above resolved could someone tell what the  - -  in 
the mount options mean

and also
what the  none  at the beginning actual does and of course how is it 
over~ridden.

All the reading I have done hasn't explained these two points to me as yet.
--
Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always!
Regards
SnapafunFrank
Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve.
Registered Linux User # 324213 



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Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

2005-03-28 Per discussione Mikkel L. Ellertson

SnapafunFrank wrote:
My /dev/hdc is a symlink to /udev/hdc and /udev lists /hdc so that is
loaded.

and I have tried:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/udev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto
0 0

and also
what the none at the beginning actual does and of course how is it
over~ridden.

All the reading I have done hasn't explained these two points to me as yet.

Your DVD is being handled by supermount. What this is susposed to do is
when a disk is inserted in the drive, it gets mounted automaticly.

The reasion you could not mount it using the device name is because you
do not have a fstab entry that starts with /dev/hdc, and /dev/hdc is not
a mount point used in an ftab entry. If you had tried mount
/mnt/dvd-rw it probably would have worked.

One thig I am a bit puzzeled about it the /udev directory. What version
of Mandrake are you using? Did you add udev yourself, or was it part of
the install? Was this a fresh install, or an upgrage?

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