date:20100526

I'll reiterate the Fortigate family of devices...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:06 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

 Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them
 PCI compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger
 emphasis is plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of
 work/year, so I don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I
 don't really have to (however, they have never had any issue with
 time/expenses I can justify).

 The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like
 2Mbps, upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and
 not hosted elsewhere.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

 On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
  I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the
 PE840)
  with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to
 upgrade
  them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS
 remote
  access much faster.
 
  What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

   It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected
 load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
 and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
 they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
 of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
 case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
 software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
 third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
 looking for.  :-)

 -- Ben



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Internal routing

2010-05-26 Thread ahmad hafiz

i would like to suggest to check ssl settings...maybe access is only
possible in https,not http. 1 of my client  configure their sharepoint
wrongly, and upon checking the ssl setting only enable https access, not
http.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:52 AM, mqcarp mqcarpen...@gmail.com wrote:

 We are checking syslogs. I will get back to you

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Blackman, Woody wblack...@occ.cccd.edu
 wrote:
  I have seen it when there is a problem with MTU frame size with some
 Routers/Proxies.  Do some packet captures and see if you are getting resets
 or sequencing failures.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:04 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Internal routing
 
  On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:50, mqcarp mqcarpen...@gmail.com wrote:
  Has anyone seen an issue where you can route to an internal web site
  by https but not http?
 
  nslookup resolves correctly, IIS is running fine, site is accessible
  externally with no issue. I can not see where access to port 80 is
  different than access over 443. If you only use http it times out. I
  will note that there are several sites hosted on that same IIS server.
  All of them are doing the same thing.
 
  Need more data.
 
  Got any firewall logs? What kind of firewall?
 
  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
  ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
  ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Vista question

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining
that they can't install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
looking for.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: SQL Connectivity from DMZ

2010-05-26 Thread Mayo, Bill

Verify that the clients are using the same/correct network library
(TCP/IP, Named Pipes) in ODBCClient connectivity.  I have experienced
issues connecting to a DMZ when the connection wasn't set to TCP/IP.
You can also check those settings on the server side and make sure the
matching protocols are enabled.  In SQL 2005, this is in SQL Server
Configuration Manager, SQL Server 2005 Network Configuration, Protocols
for MSSQLSERVER.



From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SQL Connectivity from DMZ


I've got a weird scenario.
 
Site A:
Windows 2003 Server Std SP2 - Web Server - DMZ
Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - SQL 2005 - Trusted Network
 
Site B:
Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - Web Server - DMZ
Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - SQL 2005 - Trusted Network
 
(Same SQL Server for both sites)
 
Site A:
Creating an ODBC to a SQL instance on the SQL server works fine. Default
instance is port 1433, second instance port X. When creating the ODBC, I
simply need to enter the SQL IP address and the SQL authentication. It
connects just fine. 
 
Site B:
Creating an ODBC to the same SQL instance requires that enter either the
IP address\instance name or IP Address, port number.
 
My network guys assure me that the firewall rules at Site A are simply
allowing TCP Ports 1433, 1434 and X (for the second instance). At Site
B, they had to open up Port 1434/udp before I could even establish a
connection, and yet it still requires I input IP Address\instance or IP
Address, port number.
 
The Web Server at Site B is brand new and was built by another on our
staff. Its running Windows 2003 Ent where the original servers at Site A
are running standard. I can't figure out why the ODBC requirements are
different between the two servers.
 
Any ideas? My network guys are having heartburn over the different rule
sets between sites and I can't blame them. 
 
- Sean
 
 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Vista question

2010-05-26 Thread Jonathan Link

It's probably a UAC thing.  Have yout tried disabling it?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:32 AM, John Aldrich
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote:

  We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an
 install.exe file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is
 unable to install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges.
 It **appears** that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or
 not they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven’t had anyone
 complaining that they can’t install it.)



 Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific
 network folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my
 admin privileges?



 [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]









~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

RE: Vista question

Runas ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vista question

 

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven’t had anyone complaining
that they can’t install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
looking for.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Vista question

I would handle something like this with group policy.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vista question

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe 
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to install 
the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It *appears* that 
everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not they have admin 
privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining that they can't 
install it.)

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network 
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin 
privileges?

[John-Aldrich][Tile-Tools]






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~inline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg

RE: Vista question

Well, I don't want to give her my admin account info, and her network
account is not a network admin. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Runas ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vista question

 

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining
that they can't install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

RE: Vista question

Nope, I haven't. I assumed it was requiring admin privileges as it installs
fine when I select run as an admin and put in my network admin
credentials.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vista question

 

It's probably a UAC thing.  Have yout tried disabling it?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:32 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote:

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining
that they can't install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
looking for.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


      


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Vista question

Create a *local* admin equivalent user on her system, not domain, share that
password with her for this case.  After install, disable the new local
admin-user.

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Well, I don’t want to give her my admin account info, and her network
account is not a network admin. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Runas ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vista question

 

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven’t had anyone complaining
that they can’t install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Jonathan Link

Don't we see stories like this fairly often? IIRC there was a WSJ article
last year that said much the same thing but was little more than a rant that
he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:

http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be a
knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT
apps
and technology.

Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide #
end of forward -
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

My users can't get their usernames and passwords right. One person this
morning tried to use the mouse on the Windows failed to start screen and
phoned me to ask why the cursor wasn't showing. They regularly put the wrong
data into application fields and their grasp of spelling is atrocious. I can
hardly see these lot, within five years, becoming advanced technological
users who could be trusted to install software and manage Active Directory.
If you did let them install things, I would spend my entire day cleaning up
after them. Unless there is some massive evolution of the human race in the
very near future, I'd say the whole thrust of that article is nothing more
than hot air.

/User contempt end

On 26 May 2010 13:47, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't we see stories like this fairly often?  IIRC there was a WSJ article
 last year that said much the same thing but was little more than a rant that
 he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.



 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
  wrote:

 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows =
 Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends =
 More here with links:

 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
 than
25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be a
knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT
 apps
and technology.

Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~









-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Bill Lambert

The article is a load of crap...IMHO

 

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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Don't we see stories like this fairly often?  IIRC there was a WSJ
article last year that said much the same thing but was little more than
a rant that he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.

 


 

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
angu...@geoapps.com wrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

   This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
   titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
   By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
   May 21, 2010

   Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
   go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB7005
8F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

   Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
   25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
   working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
   activities will devolve to business units and will become
consolidated
   with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be
a
   knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT
apps
   and technology.

   Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
 end of forward -
   http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
   --
   Angus Scott-Fleming
   GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
   1-520-290-5038
   Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Kurt Buff

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it
will end, with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login
magazine has an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual
and Alchemy and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS
professor who notes that his current students are much less inclined
to actually understand the way things work, and to simply produce
mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. It's a fascinating
read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows =
 Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

    This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
    titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
    By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
    May 21, 2010

    Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
    go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends =
 More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260
  825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

    Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less than
    25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
    working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
    activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
    with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be a
    knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT apps
    and technology.

    Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
    --
    Angus Scott-Fleming
    GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
    1-520-290-5038
    Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us. Similar to how
people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

My users can't get their usernames and passwords right. One person this
morning tried to use the mouse on the Windows failed to start screen and
phoned me to ask why the cursor wasn't showing. They regularly put the wrong
data into application fields and their grasp of spelling is atrocious. I can
hardly see these lot, within five years, becoming advanced technological
users who could be trusted to install software and manage Active Directory.
If you did let them install things, I would spend my entire day cleaning up
after them. Unless there is some massive evolution of the human race in the
very near future, I'd say the whole thrust of that article is nothing more
than hot air.

/User contempt end

On 26 May 2010 13:47, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
angu...@geoapps.com wrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:

http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be
a
knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT
apps
and technology.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~

--
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'll bet that the percentage of people who actually care about how things
really work has either remained static, or decreased over time relative to
the general population. As a percentage of technology users, of course, the
percentage has decreased dramatically, since technology user used to be
almost synonymous with technology enthusiast 15-20 years ago.Now it
just means someone with the least bit of disposable income.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it
will end, with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login
magazine has an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual
and Alchemy and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS
professor who notes that his current students are much less inclined
to actually understand the way things work, and to simply produce
mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. It's a fascinating
read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
wrote:
Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:

http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be
a
knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT
apps
and technology.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end, 
with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has 
an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy and is 
well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes that his 
current students are much less inclined to actually understand the way things 
work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. 
It's a fascinating read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead 
 for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

    This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article 
 is
    titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
    By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
    May 21, 2010

    Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
    go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
 058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

    Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that 
 less than
    25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
    working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and 
 IT
    activities will devolve to business units and will become 
 consolidated
    with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will 
 be a
    knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy 
 IT apps
    and technology.

    Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
    --
    Angus Scott-Fleming
    GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
    1-520-290-5038
    Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread John Hornbuckle

+1

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with 
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration 
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably means 
something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how people who 
can put together some basic macros think that they are programmers.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to 
or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Jonathan Link

I wonder if how he's doing his job has a bearing on how well he likes his
job.  It can't be very rewarding to mash up code samples found on the web...
Or if he actually even likes his current career path.  Perhaps he choose the
wrong vocation?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

 A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering
 from one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast).
 And he did fairly well.

 He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical
 interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a
 string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then
 display the ASCII text. He failed it.

 He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I
 gave him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he
 had no real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he
 said what he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

 In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his
 first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs
 - never understanding what some of it did.

 I just had to shake my head.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will
 end, with no evidence.

 Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine
 has an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy
 and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes
 that his current students are much less inclined to actually understand the
 way things work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some
 ill-defined rituals. It's a fascinating read.

 Kurt

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
 wrote:
  Sometimes you have to wonder ...
 
  ---fwd--
  = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead
  for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community
 
 This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article
  is
 titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
 By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
 May 21, 2010
 
 Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
 go away. READ MORE...
 
  = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
  http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
  058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A
 
 Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that
  less than
 25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
 working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and
  IT
 activities will devolve to business units and will become
  consolidated
 with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will
  be a
 knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy
  IT apps
 and technology.
 
 Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
   end of forward -
 http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
 --
 Angus Scott-Fleming
 GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
 1-520-290-5038
 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
 
 
 
 
 
   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The sad truth of the matter, especially as relates to WinTel technologies :

 

The good thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows operating system
and Windows applications.

But the bad thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows operating
system and Windows applications.

 

The hard thing is to do it correctly, securely, and efficiently !

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.

 

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.

 

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
computer technology.

 

In order to make things
http://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technol
ogy-really-intersect.aspx appear simple enough for the every-day user, the
complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration
realm.

 

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how
people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker



On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

My users can't get their usernames and passwords right. One person this
morning tried to use the mouse on the Windows failed to start screen and
phoned me to ask why the cursor wasn't showing. They regularly put the wrong
data into application fields and their grasp of spelling is atrocious. I can
hardly see these lot, within five years, becoming advanced technological
users who could be trusted to install software and manage Active Directory.
If you did let them install things, I would spend my entire day cleaning up
after them. Unless there is some massive evolution of the human race in the
very near future, I'd say the whole thrust of that article is nothing more
than hot air.

/User contempt end

 

On 26 May 2010 13:47, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Don't we see stories like this fairly often?  IIRC there was a WSJ article
last year that said much the same thing but was little more than a rant that
he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.

 


 

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
wrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

   This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
   titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
   By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
   May 21, 2010

   Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
   go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2
260 c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260
825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

   Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
   25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
   working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
   activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
   with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be a
   knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT apps
   and technology.

   Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
 end of forward -
   http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
   --
   Angus Scott-Fleming
   GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
   1-520-290-5038
   Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 

 

 





-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

  but it turned out that he had no real concept of binary.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
Those that know binary
 those that do not !


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Well, I think he really wants to end up on the project management side of the 
fence, but he's not finding many available jobs there - but loads of available 
jobs for java programmers.

He did find a job last week and he's really looking forward to it. But he got 
it on the strength of his personality, not his technical skills.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I wonder if how he's doing his job has a bearing on how well he likes his job.  
It can't be very rewarding to mash up code samples found on the web...
Or if he actually even likes his current career path.  Perhaps he choose the 
wrong vocation?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end, 
with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has 
an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy and is 
well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes that his 
current students are much less inclined to actually understand the way things 
work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. 
It's a fascinating read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming 
angu...@geoapps.commailto:angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead
 for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article
 is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
 058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that
 less than
25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and
 IT
activities will devolve to business units and will become
 consolidated
with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will
 be a
knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy
 IT apps
and technology.

Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Maglinger, Paul

Yep. Before becoming a system engineer I was a partner in a electronics repair 
depot business. We got a lot of applicants from a nationally known vocational 
college (not naming any names, but it was one letter off from ATT).  People who 
graduated from there couldn't read a schematic diagram, read resistor color 
codes, or even do simple Ohm's Law formulas.  They told me their tests were 
open book and were given study sheets that they could use on the tests.  The 
school justified it by saying that anything they needed to know in the real 
world, they could look up in a book.

*sigh*

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end, 
with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has 
an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy and is 
well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes that his 
current students are much less inclined to actually understand the way things 
work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. 
It's a fascinating read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead 
 for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

    This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article 
 is
    titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
    By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
    May 21, 2010

    Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
    go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
 058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

    Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that 
 less than
    25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
    working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and 
 IT
    activities will devolve to business units and will become 
 consolidated
    with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will 
 be a
    knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy 
 IT apps
    and technology.

    Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
    --
    Angus Scott-Fleming
    GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
    1-520-290-5038
    Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Don Guyer

I went to one of those vocational schools back in the late 80s (not that 
particular one) and I would agree with your statements.

The education I received there was valuable only for a few years, as companies 
switched to just replacing whole boards, in lieu of troubleshooting circuits 
and replacing small parts. Thankfully I was able to pick up on networking and 
back end systems as this changed.

Today, replace look up in a book with WWW and it's the same deal.

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox  Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Yep. Before becoming a system engineer I was a partner in a electronics repair 
depot business. We got a lot of applicants from a nationally known vocational 
college (not naming any names, but it was one letter off from ATT).  People who 
graduated from there couldn't read a schematic diagram, read resistor color 
codes, or even do simple Ohm's Law formulas.  They told me their tests were 
open book and were given study sheets that they could use on the tests.  The 
school justified it by saying that anything they needed to know in the real 
world, they could look up in a book.

*sigh*

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end, 
with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has 
an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy and is 
well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes that his 
current students are much less inclined to actually understand the way things 
work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. 
It's a fascinating read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead 
 for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

    This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article 
 is
    titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
    By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
    May 21, 2010

    Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
    go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
 058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

    Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that 
 less than
    25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
    working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and 
 IT
    activities will devolve to business units and will become 
 consolidated
    with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will 
 be a
    knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy 
 IT apps
    and technology.

    Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
    --
    Angus Scott-Fleming
    GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
    1-520-290-5038
    Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource

RE: Vista question

Well, I guess I could do that. J Make her use that for enhanced privileges
cases like needing to update and not as her regular login. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Create a *local* admin equivalent user on her system, not domain, share that
password with her for this case.  After install, disable the new local
admin-user.

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Well, I don't want to give her my admin account info, and her network
account is not a network admin. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Runas ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vista question

 

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining
that they can't install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

IE update strangeness

I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie
up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll
run a scan while the user is at lunch!)

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

Re: IE update strangeness

Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career.

On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

  I’ve got one user who’s got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
 whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
 be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
 and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
 shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
 suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I’ve run just
 about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don’t want to tie
 up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I’ll
 run a scan while the user is at lunch!)



 [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]










-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image002.jpgimage001.jpg

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

And it's going to apply to any other technology that becomes mainstream.
(Various Linux distros will begin to fall into this bucket). Firewalls
are now in that realm.

It doesn't help that some technologies jump right into mainstream (cloud
computing, SaaS) to the extent that business folk think that they don't
need any technical assistance to utilize them...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote:

The sad truth of the matter, especially as relates to WinTel technologies
:

The good thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows operating system
and Windows applications.

But the bad thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows operating
system and Windows applications.

The hard thing is to do it *correctly, securely, *and* efficiently* !

*Erik Goldoff***

*IT Consultant*

*Systems, Networks, Security *

' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

*From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM

*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire
to learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
computer technology.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
wrote:

/User contempt end

On 26 May 2010 13:47, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
wrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
May 21, 2010

Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:

http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~

--
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend

RE: IE update strangeness

2010-05-26 Thread Carol Fee

How about running the Windows Installer Cleaner utility, and then try to 
install ?

CFee
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IE update strangeness

I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason whenever 
I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to be among the 
last to upgrade my machines! :)) it refuses to install cleanly and whenever we 
try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a shortcut on the 
desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research suggests that 
something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just about every test I 
can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie up the laptop that 
long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll run a scan while the 
user is at lunch!)

[cid:image001.jpg@01CAFCC1.23A36940][cid:image002@01cafcc1.23a36940]

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~inline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg

RE: IE update strangeness

Yeah. IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has your
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot
SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the
user's laptop when he goes to lunch today.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness

 

Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career.

On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie
up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll
run a scan while the user is at lunch!)

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 




-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg

Re: IE update strangeness

As far as I could tell the laptop was clean...however, I just had a vicious
battle with that TDSS rootkit beast from hell the other day, so I was
wondering if perhaps it could have been something as insidious as that had
perhaps made its way onto there. She's taken the laptop back down south at
the minute, but I might advise her to download the latest MBAM, as I know
that catches the evil little swine.

On 26 May 2010 15:51, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

  Yeah… IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a “no-go.” Has
 your sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or
 SpyBot SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have
 gotten installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning
 the user’s laptop when he goes to lunch today.



 [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]



 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: IE update strangeness



 Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
 sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
 then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
 defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
 laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
 at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
 Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
 state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career.

 On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

 I’ve got one user who’s got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
 whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
 be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
 and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
 shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
 suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I’ve run just
 about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don’t want to tie
 up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I’ll
 run a scan while the user is at lunch!)



 [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]










 --
 On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
 the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
 rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
 a question.












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the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

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Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ben Scott

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login
 magazine has an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual
 and Alchemy and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS
 professor who notes that his current students are much less inclined
 to actually understand the way things work, and to simply produce
 mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. It's a fascinating
 read.

  The only thing that surprises me is that someone thinks it's a new
development.

http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cargo-cult-programming.html

  I've long been impressed by the percentage of people who don't seem
to care how or why.

-- Ben

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RE: IE update strangeness

2010-05-26 Thread John Leto

I had the exact same issue. The fix is to download and run Microsoft
Installer Cleanup Utility. Worked for me on three different machines
with this issue. 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

Yeah... IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has
your sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or
SpyBot SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may
have gotten installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on
scanning the user's laptop when he goes to lunch today.

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness

Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second
and then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE
to defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on
the laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am
totally at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to
Firefox. Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well
with IE in this state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've
had in my IT career.

On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want
to be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install
cleanly and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash
and put a shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All
my research suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and
I've run just about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I
don't want to tie up the laptop that long while the user is trying to
get some work done, I'll run a scan while the user is at lunch!)

-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am
not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could
provoke such a question.

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RE: IE update strangeness

2010-05-26 Thread tony patton

We had an issue that sounds like this about a year ago, turned out there 
were 2 versions of IE7, 1 pre-XPSP3 and 1 post-XPSP3.

May not be the same, but it's the best I can remember.

Regards

Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com



From:   John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date:   26/05/2010 15:52
Subject:RE: IE update strangeness



Yeah? IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a ?no-go.? Has your 
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot 
SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten 
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the 
user?s laptop when he goes to lunch today.
 

 
From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness
 
Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my 
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second 
and then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE 
to defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on 
the laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am 
totally at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to 
Firefox. Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with 
IE in this state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in 
my IT career.
On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:
I?ve got one user who?s got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason 
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to 
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly 
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a 
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research 
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I?ve run just 
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don?t want to 
tie up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work 
done, I?ll run a scan while the user is at lunch!)
 

 
 
 



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Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

2010-05-26 Thread Ben Scott

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:40 AM,  greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net wrote:
 None of my clients use VPN unless they have too.

  We use our VPN to wrap Remote Desktop.  I think considering the two
technologies as an either-or proposition is a common mistake.

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RE: IE update strangeness

2010-05-26 Thread Jay Dale

I know installing IE8 isn't preferred, but if the cleanup utility doesn't work, 
I would at least attempt installing IE8, just to confirm if it works or not.

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From: tony patton [mailto:tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

We had an issue that sounds like this about a year ago, turned out there were 2 
versions of IE7, 1 pre-XPSP3 and 1 post-XPSP3.

May not be the same, but it's the best I can remember.

Regards

Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.commailto:tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com



From:John Aldrich 
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
To:NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date:26/05/2010 15:52
Subject:RE: IE update strangeness




Yeah... IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has your 
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot SD? 
Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten 
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the user's 
laptop when he goes to lunch today.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CAFCBB.36904970][cid:image002@01cafcbb.36904970]

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness

Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my 
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and 
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to 
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the 
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally at 
a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox. Unfortunately 
Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this state, but it's 
one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career.
On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich 
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:
I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason whenever 
I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to be among the 
last to upgrade my machines! :)) it refuses to install cleanly and whenever we 
try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a shortcut on the 
desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research suggests that 
something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just about every test I 
can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie up the laptop that 
long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll run a scan while the 
user is at lunch!)

[cid:image001.jpg@01CAFCBB.36904970][cid:image002@01cafcbb.36904970]







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machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with 
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration 
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably means 
something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how people who 
can put together some basic macros think that they are programmers.

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RE: IE update strangeness

Thanks. I'll give that a shot. I'm also going to have to rename and recreate
the user's profile since taking away admin privileges takes away the user's
customized profile. L

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: John Leto [mailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

 

I had the exact same issue. The fix is to download and run Microsoft
Installer Cleanup Utility. Worked for me on three different machines with
this issue. 

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

 

Yeah. IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has your
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot
SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the
user's laptop when he goes to lunch today.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness

 

Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career.

On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:

I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie
up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll
run a scan while the user is at lunch!)

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 




-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: IE update strangeness

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I could only find one version for XP on
Microsoft's download site, but then again, I didn't look too closely to see
if it was pre-SP3 or post-SP3. There might be other versions that I just
didn't notice.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: tony patton [mailto:tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

 

We had an issue that sounds like this about a year ago, turned out there
were 2 versions of IE7, 1 pre-XPSP3 and 1 post-XPSP3. 

May not be the same, but it's the best I can remember. 

Regards

Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com 



From:John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com 
To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Date:26/05/2010 15:52 
Subject:RE: IE update strangeness 

  _  




Yeah. IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has your
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot
SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the
user's laptop when he goes to lunch today. 
  
John-AldrichTile-Tools
  
From: James Rankin [ mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness 
  
Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career. 
On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: 
I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie
up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll
run a scan while the user is at lunch!) 
  
John-AldrichTile-Tools
  

  
  



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the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question. 

  
  

  
  

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RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
looking for.  :-)

-- Ben

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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

There was a time when installing Windows still needed some knowhow - think
F6 for RAID drivers and configuring those disks into arrays. Not quite Unix,
but still needed expertise.

Contrast that with the install routines for 2008 R2 these days. I was
shocked to see how simple it was. Load disk, choose partition, format and
you're done.


On 26 May 2010 16:07, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

  Slide 10 actually nails what I see:



 “Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
 depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have
 deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old
 timers understand %PATH% and that it’s concept is still relevant behind the
 scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?




 Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How
 many of those really understand what’s going on?



 Dave



 *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 +1





 *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire
 to learn less about it.



 The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
 to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
 routine maintenance on a vehicle.



 There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
 computer technology.



 In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
 userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration
 realm.



 The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
 means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how
 people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
 programmers.


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On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: IE update strangeness

Sounds like a plan. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

 

I know installing IE8 isn't preferred, but if the cleanup utility doesn't
work, I would at least attempt installing IE8, just to confirm if it works
or not.

 

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I.T. Manager, 3GiG

Mobile: 713.299.2541

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From: tony patton [mailto:tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IE update strangeness

 

We had an issue that sounds like this about a year ago, turned out there
were 2 versions of IE7, 1 pre-XPSP3 and 1 post-XPSP3. 

May not be the same, but it's the best I can remember. 

Regards

Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com 



From:John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com 
To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Date:26/05/2010 15:52 
Subject:RE: IE update strangeness 

  _  




Yeah. IE6 still works, once I uninstall it, but IE7 is a no-go. Has your
sister tried scanning with Vipre Rescue and/or Malware Bytes and/or SpyBot
SD? Several of the links I checked suggested that Malware may have gotten
installed, so that it is corrupting the install. I plan on scanning the
user's laptop when he goes to lunch today. 
  
John-AldrichTile-Tools
  
From: James Rankin [ mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IE update strangeness 
  
Strange you should mention this, because I have just been emailing my
sister-in-law about a similar issue. Her IE would only open for a second and
then disappear. Tried loads of Google suggestions about resetting IE to
defaults, removing it and reinstalling - no joy. I reinstalled XP on the
laptop, and guess what - the issue came back after about a day. I am totally
at a loss to explain it and resorted to introducing her to Firefox.
Unfortunately Windows Live Messenger seems not to play well with IE in this
state, but it's one of the few unsolved mysteries I've had in my IT career. 
On 26 May 2010 15:37, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: 
I've got one user who's got a Dell Latitude laptop and for some reason
whenever I try to install IE 7 on it (yeah, I know 8 is out, but I want to
be among the last to upgrade my machines! J) it refuses to install cleanly
and whenever we try to launch IE after upgrading, it will flash and put a
shortcut on the desktop, but refuses to open an IE window. All my research
suggests that something is causing a corrupt install, and I've run just
about every test I can, short of running a malware scan (I don't want to tie
up the laptop that long while the user is trying to get some work done, I'll
run a scan while the user is at lunch!) 
  
John-AldrichTile-Tools
  

  
  



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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Installing and configuring are wholly different animals..  Lots of slick 
wizards do nothing when something breaks and you have to get into the guts.
When I show my customers how to add a user in the SBS Console, (Which I never 
do unless they force the issue), and they say.  Oh this is so easy, Why do I 
need you?
I ask them to open the program responsible for managing Active Directory, or 
can they tell us if there is a network connectivity issue, how about pulling up 
log files...  The light bulb goes off and they understand that it takes more 
than just a passing casual use to administer the technology.

Still being somewhat humbled, with my recent introduction to 2010, and the 
joys of tearing through the guts and understanding how its changed from 2003 to 
2007 and now 2010

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

There was a time when installing Windows still needed some knowhow - think F6 
for RAID drivers and configuring those disks into arrays. Not quite Unix, but 
still needed expertise.

Contrast that with the install routines for 2008 R2 these days. I was shocked 
to see how simple it was. Load disk, choose partition, format and you're done.

On 26 May 2010 16:07, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org 
wrote:
Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with 
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration 
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably means 
something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how people who 
can put together some basic macros think that they are programmers.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker









NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to 
or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public 
disclosure.







--
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?



-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're
looking for.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


      


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

+1

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people
desire to learn less about it.

 

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but
rather to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal
with even routine maintenance on a vehicle.

 

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself
with computer technology.

 

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day user
http://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-tec
hnology-really-intersect.aspx , the complexity gets encapsulated
somewhere -- typically in the integration realm.

 

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to
how people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

 

 
 
 
NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written
communications to or from this entity are public records that will be
disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail
communications may be subject to public disclosure.

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I interviewed a candidate a few years back that had a stellar resume, and
Cisco  Microsoft certificates out the ying-yang …

 

Couldn’t answer how many nodes in a 27 bit mask subnet.  So I asked him how
many nodes in a standard class C subnet.

 

His response was “ between 200 and 300 “

 

I guess technically he was correct but not accurate.  Wonder what he’d have
said if I told him I’d pay him between $10 and $35 per hour … ???

 

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
OSI model.

 

Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the
ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are
clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization
principles, environment variables, etc…

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook Anywhere - also known as RPC/HTTPS - works fine on Exchange 2003.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?



-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the 
 PE840) with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time 
 to upgrade them to something more current. They used to VPN but have 
 found SBS remote access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.), and all 
they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and they're using SBS 
to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind of filtering, deep 
inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that case, you could use an old PC 
running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running third-party 
firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features... tell us what you're looking 
for.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue.

 

*BLANK STARE*

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I interviewed a candidate a few years back that had a stellar resume,
and Cisco  Microsoft certificates out the ying-yang ...

 

Couldn't answer how many nodes in a 27 bit mask subnet.  So I asked him
how many nodes in a standard class C subnet.

 

His response was  between 200 and 300 

 

I guess technically he was correct but not accurate.  Wonder what he'd
have said if I told him I'd pay him between $10 and $35 per hour ... ???

 

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread David McSpadden

I would verify that my driver's license was current and that it matched
all my other forms of identification.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue.

*BLANK STARE*

-sc

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I interviewed a candidate a few years back that had a stellar resume,
and Cisco  Microsoft certificates out the ying-yang ...

Couldn't answer how many nodes in a 27 bit mask subnet.  So I asked him
how many nodes in a standard class C subnet.

His response was  between 200 and 300 

I guess technically he was correct but not accurate.  Wonder what he'd
have said if I told him I'd pay him between $10 and $35 per hour ... ???

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

You're hired!

 

-sc

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would verify that my driver's license was current and that it matched
all my other forms of identification.

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue.

 

*BLANK STARE*

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I interviewed a candidate a few years back that had a stellar resume,
and Cisco  Microsoft certificates out the ying-yang ...

 

Couldn't answer how many nodes in a 27 bit mask subnet.  So I asked him
how many nodes in a standard class C subnet.

 

His response was  between 200 and 300 

 

I guess technically he was correct but not accurate.  Wonder what he'd
have said if I told him I'd pay him between $10 and $35 per hour ... ???

 

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Vista question

On 26 May 2010 at 10:28, John Aldrich  wrote:

 Well, I guess I could do that. J Make her use that for enhanced
 privileges cases like needing to update and not as her regular login. J 

You could also enable the MakeMeAdmin script on her box, setting it up to log 
and notify you each time she makes herself an admin so she only uses it for the 
updates.

I use MakeMeAdmin on my XP boxes to allow me to run as a limited user most of 
the time but still be able to update software without having to log in as 
Administrator.



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

On 26 May 2010 at 9:52, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

 The sad truth of the matter, especially as relates to WinTel
 technologies: The good thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows
 operating system and Windows applications. But the bad thing is that almost
 anyone can install a Windows operating system and Windows applications. The
 hard thing is to do it correctly, securely, and efficiently ! 

In business the 80/20 law applies, as everywhere.  If they can get 80% of the 
desired results (installing software) for 20% of the cost (no IT staff), many 
business owners will stop there.  It's only when they get bit hard by a 
security breach or lost data that they start realizing they need more than the 
20% they've paid for.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread David McSpadden

Or I might start with a ping to the name.  Then maybe an nslookup to the
name.

A NBTSTAT to the name?

Just some junk like that...

But if you are hiring under the other assumption I wouldn't tell you any
of that because I will have your job in 6 months.

:-)

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

You're hired!

 

-sc

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would verify that my driver's license was current and that it matched
all my other forms of identification.

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue.

 

*BLANK STARE*

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I interviewed a candidate a few years back that had a stellar resume,
and Cisco  Microsoft certificates out the ying-yang ...

 

Couldn't answer how many nodes in a 27 bit mask subnet.  So I asked him
how many nodes in a standard class C subnet.

 

His response was  between 200 and 300 

 

I guess technically he was correct but not accurate.  Wonder what he'd
have said if I told him I'd pay him between $10 and $35 per hour ... ???

 

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ken Schaefer

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with 
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration 
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably means 
something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how people who 
can put together some basic macros think that they are programmers.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker









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or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
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RE: Vista question

Not familiar with that script. Where can one pick it up?

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vista question

On 26 May 2010 at 10:28, John Aldrich  wrote:

 Well, I guess I could do that. J Make her use that for enhanced
 privileges cases like needing to update and not as her regular login. J 

You could also enable the MakeMeAdmin script on her box, setting it up to
log 
and notify you each time she makes herself an admin so she only uses it for
the 
updates.

I use MakeMeAdmin on my XP boxes to allow me to run as a limited user most
of 
the time but still be able to update software without having to log in as 
Administrator.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Thanks - if I can't get to 2008 as soon as we'd like, I'll have to go back and 
look at Outlook Anywhere.  When I was reading the site on configuring it, it 
said you need a client access server or something like that, but I was only 
skimming over the info.

- Original Message 
From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 11:05:48 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook Anywhere - also known as RPC/HTTPS - works fine on Exchange 2003.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the 
 PE840) with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time 
 to upgrade them to something more current. They used to VPN but have 
 found SBS remote access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable,

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray

It's just as possible that companies are going to realize they don't need
fulltime high-dollar IT staff that aren't doing anything but maintaining the
existing network.  If the company isn't expanding or going thru major
changes, there's no point in keeping high dollar folks around.   

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that
it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross
that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid
inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver
tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project delivery in
large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to
do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has people who have the time
to spend working out the best way to do some task for an individual user,
yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no other industry would accept). 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT
- or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a
6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of
business value, just like every other industry (with the possible exception
of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for lack of substance, but
let's not confuse sales and delivery J )

Cheers

Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
OSI model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the
ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc. Windows Admins who are
clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization
principles, environment variables, etc.

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have
deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old
timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the
scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How
many of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
computer technology.

In order to make things
http://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technol
ogy-really-intersect.aspx appear simple enough for the every-day user, the
complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how
people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications
to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the
public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to
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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ray

We're seeing a larger emphasis placed on getting the user back up again, and
smaller staffs, so there's less troubleshooting and more re-imaging.  My son
attends an engineering school that issued tablets to everyone.  If the
problem isn't a really quick fix, they image the thing.  

 

Home users are doing the same thing.   We want nearly self-healing systems.


 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.

 

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.

 

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with
computer technology.

 

In order to make things
http://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technol
ogy-really-intersect.aspx appear simple enough for the every-day user, the
complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration
realm.

 

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to how
people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker



On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

My users can't get their usernames and passwords right. One person this
morning tried to use the mouse on the Windows failed to start screen and
phoned me to ask why the cursor wasn't showing. They regularly put the wrong
data into application fields and their grasp of spelling is atrocious. I can
hardly see these lot, within five years, becoming advanced technological
users who could be trusted to install software and manage Active Directory.
If you did let them install things, I would spend my entire day cleaning up
after them. Unless there is some massive evolution of the human race in the
very near future, I'd say the whole thrust of that article is nothing more
than hot air.

/User contempt end

 

On 26 May 2010 13:47, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Don't we see stories like this fairly often?  IIRC there was a WSJ article
last year that said much the same thing but was little more than a rant that
he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.

 


 

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
wrote:

Sometimes you have to wonder ...

---fwd--
= Included Stuff Follows =
Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

   This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article is
   titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
   By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
   May 21, 2010

   Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
   go away. READ MORE...

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2
260 c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70058F2260
825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

   Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that less
than
   25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
   working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and IT
   activities will devolve to business units and will become consolidated
   with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will be a
   knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy IT apps
   and technology.

   Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
 end of forward -
   http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
   --
   Angus Scott-Fleming
   GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
   1-520-290-5038
   Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 

 

 





-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question.

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook RPC over HTTP is built into 2003 Server as well.  Outlook Anywhere was 
basically the name change in Exchange 2007/10 and it added additional 
functionality such as the autodiscover technology.  Lots of 2003 Server using 
it now.

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're using SBS to remote in, and they're not looking for any kind
of filtering, deep inspection, intrusion detection, etc.  In that
case, you could use an old PC running free firewall appliance
software like IPcop, pfsense, etc.  Or a SOHO gateway running
third-party firmware like DD-WRT.

  If you're looking for more advanced features...

RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Exchange license and Outlook license covers it.  If they are on SBS and you 
have the license to cover the user that's all you need.

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Thanks - if I can't get to 2008 as soon as we'd like, I'll have to go back and 
look at Outlook Anywhere.  When I was reading the site on configuring it, it 
said you need a client access server or something like that, but I was only 
skimming over the info.

- Original Message 
From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 11:05:48 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook Anywhere - also known as RPC/HTTPS - works fine on Exchange 2003.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the 
 PE840) with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ben Scott

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
 of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant ...

  I suspect a lot of people dismiss the OSI model because nothing
really works exactly the way the OSI model envisions.  But it's useful
because it gives us a standard frame of reference.  Everything can be
described in how it differs from the OSI model.  Seems silly, but it
works.

 As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
 mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry.

  Oh, I don't know about that.  I've found a great many organizations
staffed by any number of mediocre people, in every line of work.

  I do suspect that mediocrity is easier to hide in IT than in, say,
carpentry.  Anyone can look at a wall and tell it's crooked.  But a
well-done IT infrastructure and a poorly-done IT infrastructure look
about the same to the layman.  The reputation computers have for never
working very well also means it's harder to get called out.  But as
you say, that will change as IT matures.

  I'm assuming IT will mature.  Eventually.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Thanks Greg, I'm going to read up on it.
I appreciate the input!

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:11:58 PM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook RPC over HTTP is built into 2003 Server as well.  Outlook Anywhere was 
basically the name change in Exchange 2007/10 and it added additional 
functionality such as the autodiscover technology.  Lots of 2003 Server using 
it now.

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I have a 17-user client (one SBS server, same one discussed with the PE840)
 with a 5+yr old SonicWALL SOHO firewall and I believe it's time to upgrade
 them to something more current. They used to VPN but have found SBS remote
 access much faster.

 What kinds of things should I look for in a new workgroup firewall?

  It really depends on what you're looking to have it do, and the expected load.

  Say it's a typical consumer Internet connection (cable, DSL, etc.),
and all they're doing is web surfing and email and remote access, and
they're

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have to think okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, 
Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all trades 
firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on 
registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a 
near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I've got 
certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on a vehicle.

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself with 
computer technology.

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day 
userhttp://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-technology-really-intersect.aspx,
 the complexity gets encapsulated somewhere -- typically in the integration 
realm.

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably means 
something very different to them

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

PleasePhysical
Do  Data/LLC
NotNetwork
Throw   Transport
Sausage   Session
Pizza  Presentation
Away Application

You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. :)

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have to think okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, 
Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all trades 
firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on 
registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a 
near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I've got 
certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even routine 
maintenance on

RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

No problem.  SBS actually has it completely setup unless you have disabled it 
or changed it in some way.  You could just go through the wizard and add 
Outlook from Internet option and it will reconfigure IIS for you.
Just 443 to the server.  Outlook goto connections under your Exchange config in 
control panel, set the url to the server (Public fqdn), Change to basic 
authentication and it should connect.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Thanks Greg, I'm going to read up on it.
I appreciate the input!

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:11:58 PM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook RPC over HTTP is built into 2003 Server as well.  Outlook Anywhere was 
basically the name change in Exchange 2007/10 and it added additional 
functionality such as the autodiscover technology.  Lots of 2003 Server using 
it now.

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?



-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K



- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K



- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some ADSL-type (download is something like 2Mbps, 
upload is paltry 512K or something). Their web server is in-house and not 
hosted elsewhere.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Firewall for small biz

On

RichCopy 4.0 Permissions

2010-05-26 Thread Haralson, Joe (GE Comm Fin, non-GE)

Does anyone know why when using RichCopy 4.0 on EMC NAS that the
permission don't keep? The copy is going from NAS to NAS.
 
Joe Haralson

Network Infrastructure Team

 

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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Maglinger, Paul

Yep. Before becoming a system engineer I was a partner in a electronics repair 
depot business. We got a lot of applicants from a nationally known vocational 
college (not naming any names, but it was one letter off from ATT).  People who 
graduated from there couldn't read a schematic diagram, read resistor color 
codes, or even do simple Ohm's Law formulas.  They told me their tests were 
open book and were given study sheets that they could use on the tests.  The 
school justified it by saying that anything they needed to know in the real 
world, they could look up in a book.

*sigh*

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in Systems Engineering from 
one of the best-known public universities (at least on the east coast). And he 
did fairly well.

He disliked his first job and has been job hunting. He went to a technical 
interview last week and they asked him to write a small program to read in a 
string of characters - all 1's and 0' - and convert it into binary and then 
display the ASCII text. He failed it.

He asked me to explain it to him, which I did and we made it work (well, I gave 
him pseudo-code and made HIM make it work), but it turned out that he had no 
real concept of binary. It had never come up in his schooling and he said what 
he read on Google didn't help. HAH.

In later conversation he told me he got through most of his degree and his 
first job by finding code on the web and minimally adapting it to his needs - 
never understanding what some of it did.

I just had to shake my head.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end, 
with no evidence.

Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has 
an article titled Programming with Technological Ritual and Alchemy and is 
well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS professor who notes that his 
current students are much less inclined to actually understand the way things 
work, and to simply produce mashups, according to some ill-defined rituals. 
It's a fascinating read.

Kurt

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 20:51, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
 Sometimes you have to wonder ...

 ---fwd--
 = Included Stuff Follows = Big Changes Ahead 
 for IT - Anyone seen this? - Spiceworks Community

    This link comes from eWeeks Editor's Pick newsletter. The article 
 is
    titled: Radical Reductions in IT Workforce Ahead
    By Edward Cone, CIO Insight
    May 21, 2010

    Jobs may move to other areas of the company, be outsourced--or just
    go away. READ MORE...

 = Included Stuff Ends = More here with links:
 http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=24763l=23ctl=739AC:1A76A774489FFA8BAB70
 058F2260 825Ekc=EWKNLEDP05212010A

    Part of what they are trying to indicate in these slides is that 
 less than
    25% of today's IT workforce will remain by 2015, IT CIO's and those
    working in IT overall will be less in charge of their destiny, and 
 IT
    activities will devolve to business units and will become 
 consolidated
    with other departments like HR, Finance, etc. Almost everyone will 
 be a
    knowledged worker and will in many ways be able to use and deploy 
 IT apps
    and technology.

    Wow, I can't wait! I especially love slide # 
  end of forward -
    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99492?page=1
    --
    Angus Scott-Fleming
    GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
    1-520-290-5038
    Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I like that one - I learned it the other way around :0

All    Application
People                Presentation
Seem  Session
To                        Transport
Need   Network
Data                    Data/LLC
Processing        Physical

Don K



From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?


Please    Physical
Do  Data/LLC
Not    Network
Throw   Transport
Sausage   Session
Pizza  Presentation
Away         Application
 
You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. J
 
From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
 
I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I’d have to think “okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits…”. I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, Aliases, 
HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you “jack of all trades” firewall 
info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and 
GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical 
learning curve. Am I hired?
 
The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I’m not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the “I’ve got 
certs but no real IT skills” Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.
 
That’s my story I’m stickin’ to it.
 
From:Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
 
It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it’s 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)
 
Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept). 
 
As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT” – or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let’s not confuse sales and 
delivery J)
 
Cheers
Ken
 
From:Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
 
I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.
 
Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc…
 
Tis sad.
 
-sc
 
From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
 
Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 
 
“Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it’s concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means? 
 
Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what’s going on?
 
Dave
 
From:John Hornbuckle

Re: SQL Connectivity from DMZ

2010-05-26 Thread Sean Martin

Thanks for the tips guys. I have verified we're dealing with TCP/IP and not
named pipes. I'm not sure where DNS would play a role because I'm attempting
connection via IP address. Since the web servers reside in our DMZ, they
have no means of resolving the names of machines on our trusted network. I
did check the hosts files on both machines to ensure there were no
discrepancies. The SQL server in question has no entries on either server.

I think I'm just going to have my network guys throw the sniffer on the
working side and see if they can verify what ports are actually being used.
I thought I came across documentation that 1434/udp was required for the SQL
browser service to function, but I'm being told that port was not opened on
the site that is working. Even though it is opened on the other site, I
still have to reference the instance or port.

- Sean

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote:

  Verify that the clients are using the same/correct network library
 (TCP/IP, Named Pipes) in ODBCClient connectivity.  I have experienced
 issues connecting to a DMZ when the connection wasn't set to TCP/IP.  You
 can also check those settings on the server side and make sure the matching
 protocols are enabled.  In SQL 2005, this is in SQL Server Configuration
 Manager, SQL Server 2005 Network Configuration, Protocols for MSSQLSERVER.

  --
  *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:27 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* SQL Connectivity from DMZ

  I've got a weird scenario.

 Site A:
 Windows 2003 Server Std SP2 - Web Server - DMZ
 Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - SQL 2005 - Trusted Network

 Site B:
 Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - Web Server - DMZ
 Windows 2003 Server Ent SP2 - SQL 2005 - Trusted Network

 (Same SQL Server for both sites)

 Site A:
 Creating an ODBC to a SQL instance on the SQL server works fine. Default
 instance is port 1433, second instance port X. When creating the ODBC, I
 simply need to enter the SQL IP address and the SQL authentication. It
 connects just fine.

 Site B:
 Creating an ODBC to the same SQL instance requires that enter either the IP
 address\instance name or IP Address, port number.

 My network guys assure me that the firewall rules at Site A are simply
 allowing TCP Ports 1433, 1434 and X (for the second instance). At Site B,
 they had to open up Port 1434/udp before I could even establish a
 connection, and yet it still requires I input IP Address\instance or IP
 Address, port number.

 The Web Server at Site B is brand new and was built by another on our
 staff. Its running Windows 2003 Ent where the original servers at Site A are
 running standard. I can't figure out why the ODBC requirements are different
 between the two servers.

 Any ideas? My network guys are having heartburn over the different rule
 sets between sites and I can't blame them.

 - Sean













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Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Cool. I'll go check out the server later on tonight!

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:26:51 PM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

No problem.  SBS actually has it completely setup unless you have disabled it 
or changed it in some way.  You could just go through the wizard and add 
Outlook from Internet option and it will reconfigure IIS for you.
Just 443 to the server.  Outlook goto connections under your Exchange config in 
control panel, set the url to the server (Public fqdn), Change to basic 
authentication and it should connect.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Thanks Greg, I'm going to read up on it.
I appreciate the input!

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:11:58 PM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Outlook RPC over HTTP is built into 2003 Server as well.  Outlook Anywhere was 
basically the name change in Exchange 2007/10 and it added additional 
functionality such as the autodiscover technology.  Lots of 2003 Server using 
it now.

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We're still running SBS 2003...I have a planned upgrade to SBS 2008 but am 
still waiting on the licensing to get working ;)

Hopefully, when we get to 2008, we can use this vs. local big clients and the 
users will be really happy with their improved email performance...

Thanks for the tip Greg.

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:38 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

If you are just accessing mail at the home office and all the docs are local, 
why aren't you just doing Outlook Anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

Ok that's how these folks do it too - that's why I was wondering if there was 
something better than a site to site vpn for the remote locations where we have 
a fileserver/dc but mail still in the home office.
Thanks

Don K

- Original Message 
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

SBS Remote is not VPN.  Its allowing you to access Webmail, and connect to a 
computer inside the office.  The PC must be on, its basically a redirected RDP 
to a computer in the office.  The nice thing is you can configure printer 
redirection, access your computer like you would in the office.  Works for a 
large majority of our customers quite well.  In fact some just have 2 or 3 low 
end laptops stacked in the server room that they use to remote in instead of 
buying a Terminal Server.  None of my clients use VPN unless they have too. 

-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SBS Remote Access - was Firewall for small biz

We have been using CheckPoint Sofaware boxes for about 6 years. They're easy to 
use and do everything via wizards, but have  a CLI. Annual renewal is about 
$100 each device. Purchase was about $500 a piece.  Actually just switched the 
main one to a Sonicwall VZ 210 and working through issues with it now.

Just curious Dave. When you said they found SBS remote much faster than VPN, is 
that for email access, or did you used to have site to site VPN, or remote 
access VPN that they have replaced with the SBS remote access?

Don K

- Original Message 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall for small biz

Sorry about the delay. This client is a law firm and I recently got them PCI 
compliant. I would like filtering and IDS if possible, but bigger emphasis is 
plug and forget - I bill these guys for perhaps 20 hours of work/year, so I 
don't want to spend 3-4hours configuring something if I don't really have to 
(however, they have never had any issue with time/expenses I can justify).

The Internet connection is some

Re: Vista question

On 26 May 2010 at 12:26, John Aldrich  wrote:

 Not familiar with that script. Where can one pick it up?

http://www.google.com/search?q=makemeadmin

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/aaron_margosis/archive/2005/03/11/394244.aspx


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Steve Ens

Same here.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I like that one - I learned it the other way around :0
 AllApplication
 PeoplePresentation
 Seem  Session
 ToTransport
 Need   Network
 DataData/LLC
 ProcessingPhysical

 Don K
  --
 *From:* greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Sent:* Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM

 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

  PleasePhysical

 Do  Data/LLC

 NotNetwork

 Throw   Transport

 Sausage   Session

 Pizza  Presentation

 Away Application



 You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. J



 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back
 in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does
 that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I’d have to think
 “okay a .128 mask is 25 bits…”. I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX
 records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you “jack of
 all trades” firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to
 town on registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able
 to handle a near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?



 The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I’m not necessarily
 using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the
 “I’ve got certs but no real IT skills” Joe at figuring something out and at
 those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.



 That’s my story I’m stickin’ to it.



 *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
 of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that
 it’s very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)



 Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate
 costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross
 that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid
 inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver
 tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project delivery in
 large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to
 do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has people who have the time
 to spend working out the best way to do some task for an individual user,
 yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no other industry would accept).



 As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
 mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
 merely average, you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT”
 – or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a
 6-7 figure earner, then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of
 business value, just like every other industry (with the possible exception
 of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for lack of substance, but
 let’s not confuse sales and delivery J )



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
 couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
 OSI model.



 Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the
 ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are
 clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization
 principles, environment variables, etc…



 Tis sad.



 -sc



 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 Slide 10 actually nails what I see:



 “Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
 depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have
 deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old
 timers understand %PATH% and that it’s concept is still relevant behind the
 scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know

RE: Vista question

Thanks. Think MakeMePU would be good enough? :-)

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vista question

On 26 May 2010 at 12:26, John Aldrich  wrote:

 Not familiar with that script. Where can one pick it up?

http://www.google.com/search?q=makemeadmin

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/aaron_margosis/archive/2005/03/11/394244.aspx

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Vista question

2010-05-26 Thread Mike Gill

http://www.joeware.net/freetools/tools/cpau/index.htm

 

Basically a scripted RunAs.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista question

 

Nope, I haven't. I assumed it was requiring admin privileges as it installs
fine when I select run as an admin and put in my network admin
credentials.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vista question

 

It's probably a UAC thing.  Have yout tried disabling it?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:32 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote:

We have one program that is updated at least once a month via an install.exe
file (ADP Taxware) and the one user who has Windows Vista is unable to
install the update herself as she does not have Admin privileges. It
*appears* that everyone running XP is able to install it, whether or not
they have admin privileges or not (at least I haven't had anyone complaining
that they can't install it.)

 

Is there any way to allow her to run the install.exe from a specific network
folder or am I just out of luck and have to run the install using my admin
privileges?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

On 26 May 2010 at 10:20, David Lum  wrote:

 I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
 back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it,
 does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I´d have to think
 okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX 
 records,
 Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all
 trades firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town
 on registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to
 handle a near vertical learning curve. Am I hired? 

 The way I view being an IT guy is day in and day out I´m not necessarily
 using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I´ve
 got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those
 times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out. 

 That´s my story I´m stickin´ to it.

I could have written this, too.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Free, Bob

+1

 

brings up very old memories :-]

 

From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I like that one - I learned it the other way around :0

AllApplication

PeoplePresentation

Seem  Session

ToTransport

Need   Network

DataData/LLC

ProcessingPhysical

 

Don K



From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

PleasePhysical

Do  Data/LLC

NotNetwork

Throw   Transport

Sausage   Session

Pizza  Presentation

Away Application

 

You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. J

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I’d have to think “okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits…”. I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, Aliases, 
HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you “jack of all trades” firewall 
info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and 
GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical 
learning curve. Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I’m not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the “I’ve got 
certs but no real IT skills” Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

 

That’s my story I’m stickin’ to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it’s 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT” – or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let’s not confuse sales and 
delivery J )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

 

Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc…

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

“Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it’s concept is still relevant

VIPRE and Shadowprotect

2010-05-26 Thread Jay Dale

This was mentioned in the original Open letter to Alex Eckelberry posting:

Unbeknownst to us, Zenith deploys StorageCraft's backup product, 
Shadowprotect, which we have found has significant incompatibilities with 
VIPRE.  Of course, this was a fault of both companies -- we should have tested 
the scenarios before moving forward with the relationship.
It simply never factored into the equation, since we had previously worked just 
fine with CounterSpy.  Lesson learned:  Our partner team will now test partner 
products before proceeding with a relationship.

So, there were a slew of resellers that picked up VIPRE, deployed it to their 
customers, and started experiencing serious issues on servers. It took both 
Zenith and Sunbelt some time to figure out what the cause of the issues were.

In addition, this partnership brought in a large amount of new resellers to 
Sunbelt, who weren't familiar with the company and our history of service.  
Exacerbating the situation was that support response went down, because so many 
resellers signed on at once that our support lines were overwhelmed.

We have been in active communication with Zenith, and have a dedicated effort 
to identify any potential conflicts with their software.  We are releasing 
another def release later today which will solve an FP with Shadowprotect, and 
are intensively testing against Shadowprotect going forward.  I don't see this 
being a major issue going forward based on reports from RD.

So, does VIPRE 4.0 Enterprise resolve the issues with Shadowprotect?  We are 
looking to implement this as a workstation backup solution.

Thanks,

Jay

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.commailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com

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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Paul Gordon

From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 26 May 2010 18:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I remember the pizza one, but another that I always remember because it vaguely 
amuses is:

Princess

Diana

Never

Tried

Sh*gging

Prince

Andrew

J

Paul G.

I like that one - I learned it the other way around :0

AllApplication

PeoplePresentation

Seem  Session

ToTransport

Need   Network

DataData/LLC

ProcessingPhysical

Don K

  _  

From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

PleasePhysical

Do  Data/LLC

NotNetwork

Throw   Transport

Sausage   Session

Pizza  Presentation

Away Application

You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. J

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I’d have to think “okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits…”. I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, Aliases, 
HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you “jack of all trades” firewall 
info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and 
GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical 
learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I’m not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the “I’ve got 
certs but no real IT skills” Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That’s my story I’m stickin’ to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it’s 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept). 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT” – or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let’s not confuse sales and 
delivery J )

Cheers

Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc…

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

“Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree

RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

That was last year sometime.  I think all of that was resolved within a few 
weeks of the problem.  I don't know anyone running Vipre either on 3.1 or 4 
having compatibility issues with ShadowProtect.  I am sure Sunbelt can chime in 
to confirm.

From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

This was mentioned in the original Open letter to Alex Eckelberry posting:

Unbeknownst to us, Zenith deploys StorageCraft's backup product, 
Shadowprotect, which we have found has significant incompatibilities with 
VIPRE.  Of course, this was a fault of both companies -- we should have tested 
the scenarios before moving forward with the relationship.
It simply never factored into the equation, since we had previously worked just 
fine with CounterSpy.  Lesson learned:  Our partner team will now test partner 
products before proceeding with a relationship.

So, there were a slew of resellers that picked up VIPRE, deployed it to their 
customers, and started experiencing serious issues on servers. It took both 
Zenith and Sunbelt some time to figure out what the cause of the issues were.

In addition, this partnership brought in a large amount of new resellers to 
Sunbelt, who weren't familiar with the company and our history of service.  
Exacerbating the situation was that support response went down, because so many 
resellers signed on at once that our support lines were overwhelmed.

We have been in active communication with Zenith, and have a dedicated effort 
to identify any potential conflicts with their software.  We are releasing 
another def release later today which will solve an FP with Shadowprotect, and 
are intensively testing against Shadowprotect going forward.  I don't see this 
being a major issue going forward based on reports from RD.

So, does VIPRE 4.0 Enterprise resolve the issues with Shadowprotect?  We are 
looking to implement this as a workstation backup solution.

Thanks,

Jay

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.commailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com

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Re: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Companies have caused many of these problems for themselves  based on the
training policies.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On May 26, 2010 12:22 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that
it’s very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)



Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross
that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid
inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver
tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project delivery in
large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to
do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has people who have the time
to spend working out the best way to do some task for an individual user,
yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no other industry would accept).



As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT”
– or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a
6-7 figure earner, then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of
business value, just like every other industry (with the possible exception
of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for lack of substance, but
let’s not confuse sales and delivery J )



Cheers

Ken



*From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
OSI model.





Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the
ideas of process, thr...

*From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



Slide 10 actually nails what I see:





“Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees ...

*From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



+1





*From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?





The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about i...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Sadly, there is much truth in that.

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery :-) )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

+1

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people
desire to learn less about it.

 

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but
rather to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal
with even routine maintenance on a vehicle.

 

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself
with computer technology.

 

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day user
http://home.asbzone.com/ASB/archive/2009/11/16/where-simplicity-and-tec
hnology-really-intersect.aspx , the complexity gets encapsulated
somewhere -- typically in the integration realm.

 

The main problem is the use of the terms deploy IT apps which probably
means something very different to them than it does to us.  Similar to
how people who can put together some basic macros think that they are
programmers.


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

 

 
 
 
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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

 

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery :-) )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

+1

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people
desire to learn less about it.

 

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but
rather to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal
with even routine maintenance on a vehicle.

 

There is no reason to believe that this trend will not manifest itself
with computer technology.

 

In order to make things appear simple enough for the every-day user

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Nice... that goes right along with resistor color codes

 

-sc

 

From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
[mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

PleasePhysical

Do  Data/LLC

NotNetwork

Throw   Transport

Sausage   Session

Pizza  Presentation

Away Application

 

You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. :-)

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

 

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery :-) )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

+1

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

2010-05-26 Thread Jeff Cain

Jay,

The issues with ShadowProtect were resolved in VIPRE 3.1 Hotfix 5. 
All should be well with the two products  now.

Thanks,
Jeff Cain
Technical Support Analyst
Sunbelt Software
Email: supp...@sunbeltsoftware.commailto:supp...@sunbeltsoftware.com
Voice: 1-877-673-1153
Fax:   1-727-562-5199
Web: http://www.sunbeltsoftware.comhttp://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/
Physical Address:
33 N Garden Ave
Suite 1200
Clearwater, FL  33755
United States

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From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

That was last year sometime.  I think all of that was resolved within a few 
weeks of the problem.  I don't know anyone running Vipre either on 3.1 or 4 
having compatibility issues with ShadowProtect.  I am sure Sunbelt can chime in 
to confirm.

From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

This was mentioned in the original Open letter to Alex Eckelberry posting:

Unbeknownst to us, Zenith deploys StorageCraft's backup product, 
Shadowprotect, which we have found has significant incompatibilities with 
VIPRE.  Of course, this was a fault of both companies -- we should have tested 
the scenarios before moving forward with the relationship.
It simply never factored into the equation, since we had previously worked just 
fine with CounterSpy.  Lesson learned:  Our partner team will now test partner 
products before proceeding with a relationship.

So, there were a slew of resellers that picked up VIPRE, deployed it to their 
customers, and started experiencing serious issues on servers. It took both 
Zenith and Sunbelt some time to figure out what the cause of the issues were.

In addition, this partnership brought in a large amount of new resellers to 
Sunbelt, who weren't familiar with the company and our history of service.  
Exacerbating the situation was that support response went down, because so many 
resellers signed on at once that our support lines were overwhelmed.

We have been in active communication with Zenith, and have a dedicated effort 
to identify any potential conflicts with their software.  We are releasing 
another def release later today which will solve an FP with Shadowprotect, and 
are intensively testing against Shadowprotect going forward.  I don't see this 
being a major issue going forward based on reports from RD.

So, does VIPRE 4.0 Enterprise resolve the issues with Shadowprotect?  We are 
looking to implement this as a workstation backup solution.

Thanks,

Jay

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.commailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com

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RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

2010-05-26 Thread Jay Dale

Thanks Jeff!

Jay Dale
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From: Jeff Cain [mailto:je...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

Jay,

The issues with ShadowProtect were resolved in VIPRE 3.1 Hotfix 5. 
All should be well with the two products  now.

Thanks,
Jeff Cain
Technical Support Analyst
Sunbelt Software
Email: supp...@sunbeltsoftware.commailto:supp...@sunbeltsoftware.com
Voice: 1-877-673-1153
Fax:   1-727-562-5199
Web: http://www.sunbeltsoftware.comhttp://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/
Physical Address:
33 N Garden Ave
Suite 1200
Clearwater, FL  33755
United States

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From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

That was last year sometime.  I think all of that was resolved within a few 
weeks of the problem.  I don't know anyone running Vipre either on 3.1 or 4 
having compatibility issues with ShadowProtect.  I am sure Sunbelt can chime in 
to confirm.

From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VIPRE and Shadowprotect

This was mentioned in the original Open letter to Alex Eckelberry posting:

Unbeknownst to us, Zenith deploys StorageCraft's backup product, 
Shadowprotect, which we have found has significant incompatibilities with 
VIPRE.  Of course, this was a fault of both companies -- we should have tested 
the scenarios before moving forward with the relationship.
It simply never factored into the equation, since we had previously worked just 
fine with CounterSpy.  Lesson learned:  Our partner team will now test partner 
products before proceeding with a relationship.

So, there were a slew of resellers that picked up VIPRE, deployed it to their 
customers, and started experiencing serious issues on servers. It took both 
Zenith and Sunbelt some time to figure out what the cause of the issues were.

In addition, this partnership brought in a large amount of new resellers to 
Sunbelt, who weren't familiar with the company and our history of service.  
Exacerbating the situation was that support response went down, because so many 
resellers signed on at once that our support lines were overwhelmed.

We have been in active communication with Zenith, and have a dedicated effort 
to identify any potential conflicts with their software.  We are releasing 
another def release later today which will solve an FP with Shadowprotect, and 
are intensively testing against Shadowprotect going forward.  I don't see this 
being a major issue going forward based on reports from RD.

So, does VIPRE 4.0 Enterprise resolve the issues with Shadowprotect?  We are 
looking to implement this as a workstation backup solution.

Thanks,

Jay

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.commailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com

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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Sean Rector

Gosh...learned that one 25+ years ago in HS...

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Nice... that goes right along with resistor color codes

 

-sc

 

From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
[mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

PleasePhysical

Do  Data/LLC

NotNetwork

Throw   Transport

Sausage   Session

Pizza  Presentation

Away Application

 

You will never fail the basic again.  Now what each does.. J

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

 

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery J )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

What? That can subject 2 from 32? :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have to think okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, 
Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all trades 
firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on 
registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a 
near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I've got 
certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How many 
of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

+1


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to 
learn less about it.

The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather to 
an even smaller

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

 

-sc

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

What? That can subject 2 from 32? :-)

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

 

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery :-) )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

 

Dave

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

+1

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26,

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Damien Solodow

Don't you mean subtraction? ;)

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

-sc

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

What? That can subject 2 from 32? J

Regards,

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery J )

Cheers

Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what it means? 

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications.
How many of those really understand what's going on?

Dave

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

No, he means subversion.

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Don't you mean subtraction? ;)

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

-sc

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

What? That can subject 2 from 32? :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have to think okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, 
Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all trades 
firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on 
registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a 
near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I've got 
certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see:

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its depth 
(more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have deep 
technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old timers 
understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant behind the scenes, 
how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?

Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and

Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Stovall

That's just your subtractive opinion.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote:

 Subjection skills ain’t what they used to be.



 -sc



 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 What? That can subject 2 from 32? J



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 I’d love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find…



 -sc



 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back
 in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does
 that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I’d have to think
 “okay a .128 mask is 25 bits…”. I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX
 records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you “jack of
 all trades” firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to
 town on registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able
 to handle a near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?



 The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I’m not necessarily
 using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the
 “I’ve got certs but no real IT skills” Joe at figuring something out and at
 those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.



 That’s my story I’m stickin’ to it.



 *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
 of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that
 it’s very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)



 Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate
 costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross
 that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid
 inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver
 tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project delivery in
 large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to
 do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has people who have the time
 to spend working out the best way to do some task for an individual user,
 yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no other industry would accept).



 As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
 mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
 merely average, you’ll earn an average salary, and you won’t be part of “IT”
 – or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a
 6-7 figure earner, then you’ll need to provide ever increasing levels of
 business value, just like every other industry (with the possible exception
 of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for lack of substance, but
 let’s not confuse sales and delivery J )



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
 couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
 OSI model.



 Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the
 ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc… Windows Admins who are
 clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization
 principles, environment variables, etc…



 Tis sad.



 -sc



 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?



 Slide 10 actually nails what I see:



 “Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
 depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer have
 deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us old
 timers understand %PATH% and that it’s concept is still relevant behind the
 scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know what it means?




 Like Erik said, most anyone can install Windows and its applications. How
 many of those really understand what’s going on?



 Dave



 *From:* John Hornbuckle

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Ask MBS, :-)

 

-sc

 

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Don't you mean subtraction? ;)

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

 

-sc

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

What? That can subject 2 from 32? :-)

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

 

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

 

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

 

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery :-) )

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

 

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

 

Tis sad.

 

-sc

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

 

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology, but fewer
have deep technical expertise). I agree with that one. Case in point: Us
old timers understand %PATH% and that it's concept is still relevant
behind the scenes, how many guys who have only seen Win95 and later know
what

RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Damien Solodow

I don't think this will produce anything substantive..

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

No, he means subversion.

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Don't you mean subtraction? ;)

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

-sc

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

What? That can subject 2 from 32? J

Regards,

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of
it, does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have
to think okay a .128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and
forwarding, MX records, Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations,
and give you jack of all trades firewall info, conceptualize memory
protection rings, and go to town on registry, AD and GPO design as well
as give examples of being able to handle a near vertical learning curve.
Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not
necessarily using $30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I
surpass the I've got certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring
something out and at those times word 2-3x my nominal salary so on
balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I
think that it's very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT
career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least,
regulate costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for
the dross that the IT industry produces. There are far too many people
being paid inflated salaries in this industry, without being able to
deliver tangible/measurable results. One only needs to look at project
delivery in large corporations, and at the small end, the dedicated
people who manage to do tasks in a manual manner (this list included has
people who have the time to spend working out the best way to do some
task for an individual user, yet they must get paid $30-60k, which no
other industry would accept). 

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for
mediocrity to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are
merely average, you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of
IT - or you might be part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want
to be a 6-7 figure earner, then you'll need to provide ever increasing
levels of business value, just like every other industry (with the
possible exception of Sales, where a really good pitch can make up for
lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and delivery J )

Cheers

Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of
an OSI model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
the ideas of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins
who are clueless about registry interaction, CMD line tools,
authorization principles, environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Slide 10 actually nails what I see: 

Technology and confidence in the workforce is broadening but losing its
depth (more employees understand how to exploit technology,

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2010-05-26 Thread Ziots, Edward

We are doing small deployment to figure out whether to switch over to
Agent based patching with Shavlik 7.5. We tried out the Agent push on 2
XP SP3 workstations today, and getting reports from the users that IE is
not working, cant click on anything in the screen ( Fields within a
webpage, Google Search fields etc etc) 

 

Anyone else seen this? 

 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

CISSP,MCSA,MCP+I,Security +,Network +,CCA

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

401-639-3505

ezi...@lifespan.org

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Some of the message was subliminal. Oh wait, this isn't admin_misc is it? Here 
comes Stu...

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I don't think this will produce anything substantive..

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

No, he means subversion.

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Don't you mean subtraction? ;)

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.

-sc

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

What? That can subject 2 from 32? :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in 
the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it, does that 
count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I'd have to think okay a 
.128 mask is 25 bits I can explain DNS and forwarding, MX records, 
Aliases, HOSTS file, DHCP incl. reservations, and give you jack of all trades 
firewall info, conceptualize memory protection rings, and go to town on 
registry, AD and GPO design as well as give examples of being able to handle a 
near vertical learning curve. Am I hired?

The way I view being  an IT guy is day in and day out I'm not necessarily using 
$30/hr expertise, but there are spikes where I feel I surpass the I've got 
certs but no real IT skills Joe at figuring something out and at those times 
word 2-3x my nominal salary so on balance it works out.

That's my story I'm stickin' to it.

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number of 
people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that it's 
very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)

Corporations, in an ever ending quest to cut costs (or at least, regulate 
costs) will not continue to pay ludicrous amounts of money for the dross that 
the IT industry produces. There are far too many people being paid inflated 
salaries in this industry, without being able to deliver tangible/measurable 
results. One only needs to look at project delivery in large corporations, and 
at the small end, the dedicated people who manage to do tasks in a manual 
manner (this list included has people who have the time to spend working out 
the best way to do some task for an individual user, yet they must get paid 
$30-60k, which no other industry would accept).

As the industry matures there simply will not be the opportunity for mediocrity 
to survive, just like every other mature industry. If you are merely average, 
you'll earn an average salary, and you won't be part of IT - or you might be 
part of an IT provider conglomerate. If you want to be a 6-7 figure earner, 
then you'll need to provide ever increasing levels of business value, just like 
every other industry (with the possible exception of Sales, where a really good 
pitch can make up for lack of substance, but let's not confuse sales and 
delivery :) )

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they 
couldn't calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an OSI 
model.

Systems Engineers who are at a loss to even at a high level explain the ideas 
of process, threads, memory protection, etc... Windows Admins who are clueless 
about registry interaction, CMD line tools, authorization principles, 
environment variables, etc...

Tis sad.

-sc

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big

Re: Vista question