RE: Virtualization
Ok so I tried the HP sizing tool. Says I need a half million dollar server to hypervise 16 low end application servers. This is not a good selling point. Anyone idea how I screwed this up? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Posted At: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:58 PM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: Virtualization Subject: Re: Virtualization No, I think he was saying you have a lot of verve... On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You have nerve, saying that I have nerve. -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization DOH! You went there, ouch! I thought only I had the nerve to do that. Thanks Webster From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I'll send it with my Linux email client. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization
I guess that means the HP sizing tool is a sales tool really On 29 April 2013 12:24, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: Ok so I tried the HP sizing tool. Says I need a half million dollar server to hypervise 16 low end application servers. This is not a good selling point. Anyone idea how I screwed this up? ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Posted At:* Friday, April 26, 2013 2:58 PM *Posted To:* itli...@imcu.com *Conversation:* Virtualization *Subject:* Re: Virtualization ** ** No, I think he was saying you have a lot of verve... ** ** On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You have nerve, saying that I have nerve. -sc *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Virtualization DOH! You went there, ouch! I thought only I had the nerve to do that.*** * Thanks Webster *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.comscaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 8:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I’ll send it with my Linux email client. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Virtualization
Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization
Hyper-V will be your best bet if you already have it bundled in your licensing. Otherwise, if you choose to pay for a virt app, it might make sense to throw the VMs into Azure. HP has a sizing tool: http://www.virtualizationadmin.com/blogs/conger/news/download-sizing-and-configuration-tool-for-hyper-v-320.html Sent from Microsoft Surface Pro From: itli...@imcu.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization
I wouldn't particularly say any hypervisor would be your best bet with this little info to go on For instance XenServer might make sense if you were running XenApp or XenDesktop VMWare is often the choice for production environments given the features it has and the product maturity, but I am sure its competitors are now catching up. However if it's a sandbox environment then one of the cheaper or free alternatives will do fine There are a vast amount of licensing considerations in the mix too... Are you looking to P2V existing servers or create new ones? Are you hosting sessions on these servers (i.e. RDS or Citrix), or are they just app servers? The use you make of the servers will dictate the sizing and performance you require The SAN question is a whole other kettle of fish, and one that has often started some interesting flame wars on this list :-) I think maybe a bit more info would help us guide you a bit better. Cheers, JR On 26 April 2013 12:10, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
Looks like I am taking 13 physical Windows 2008/2003 servers and virtualizing them. Also one of the servers has 4 apps they would like to split off into 4 additional servers. Would like to be able to have them all work in a DR state if needed as well. So I will be buying 2 of these physical servers one for production and one for DR. I am looking at the HP tool and I need to get AverageCPU Util % Average Memory Used MB Average Disk IOPS Trans Average Disk Throughput MBps Average Network Throughput MBps Looking at Perfmon I don't see these exact settings. I do see: Processor\% Processor Time Memory\Availabe Mbytes PhysicalDisk\Avg Disk Sec/Read PhysicalDisk\Avg Dis k Sec/Transfer Network Interface\Bytes Total/Sec Am I on the right track? I am looking more at HyperV. But really, I don't have any clue. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Posted At: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:45 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: Virtualization Subject: Re: Virtualization I wouldn't particularly say any hypervisor would be your best bet with this little info to go on For instance XenServer might make sense if you were running XenApp or XenDesktop VMWare is often the choice for production environments given the features it has and the product maturity, but I am sure its competitors are now catching up. However if it's a sandbox environment then one of the cheaper or free alternatives will do fine There are a vast amount of licensing considerations in the mix too... Are you looking to P2V existing servers or create new ones? Are you hosting sessions on these servers (i.e. RDS or Citrix), or are they just app servers? The use you make of the servers will dictate the sizing and performance you require The SAN question is a whole other kettle of fish, and one that has often started some interesting flame wars on this list :-) I think maybe a bit more info would help us guide you a bit better. Cheers, JR On 26 April 2013 12:10, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
Howdy. I was in a very similar situation about a year ago. Virtualized about a dozen Windows servers. Decided to go w/ 3 host servers and an iSCSI SAN from NetApp with 24 drives. Couldn't be happier. During the initial phase, I found Dell's DPACK tool to be very helpful. It is free (unlike my experience w/ VMWare's capacity planner - which I had several resellers offer to run for a fee). You download and run Dell's tool on your servers for several days (or longer if you have monthly spikes in activity) You do have to send the results to Dell, but they will in turn provide a very detailed report (CPU/RAM/LAN/IOPS/Etc.) to get you in the right direction. Good luck! Feel free to hit me up if you have any other questions. From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization Looks like I am taking 13 physical Windows 2008/2003 servers and virtualizing them. Also one of the servers has 4 apps they would like to split off into 4 additional servers. Would like to be able to have them all work in a DR state if needed as well. So I will be buying 2 of these physical servers one for production and one for DR. I am looking at the HP tool and I need to get AverageCPU Util % Average Memory Used MB Average Disk IOPS Trans Average Disk Throughput MBps Average Network Throughput MBps Looking at Perfmon I don't see these exact settings. I do see: Processor\% Processor Time Memory\Availabe Mbytes PhysicalDisk\Avg Disk Sec/Read PhysicalDisk\Avg Dis k Sec/Transfer Network Interface\Bytes Total/Sec Am I on the right track? I am looking more at HyperV. But really, I don't have any clue. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Posted At: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:45 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com Conversation: Virtualization Subject: Re: Virtualization I wouldn't particularly say any hypervisor would be your best bet with this little info to go on For instance XenServer might make sense if you were running XenApp or XenDesktop VMWare is often the choice for production environments given the features it has and the product maturity, but I am sure its competitors are now catching up. However if it's a sandbox environment then one of the cheaper or free alternatives will do fine There are a vast amount of licensing considerations in the mix too... Are you looking to P2V existing servers or create new ones? Are you hosting sessions on these servers (i.e. RDS or Citrix), or are they just app servers? The use you make of the servers will dictate the sizing and performance you require The SAN question is a whole other kettle of fish, and one that has often started some interesting flame wars on this list :-) I think maybe a bit more info would help us guide you a bit better. Cheers, JR On 26 April 2013 12:10, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.ukhttp://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization
I have a clustered mobile san based on iphone farm storage with that same pdf. From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I’ll send it with my Linux email client. -sc From:itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
DOH! You went there, ouch! I thought only I had the nerve to do that. Thanks Webster From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I'll send it with my Linux email client. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
Tool has been moved to: http://h71019.www7.hp.com/ActiveAnswers/us/en/sizers/unified-sizer-server-virtulization.html Mark From: rodtr...@myitforum.com [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization Hyper-V will be your best bet if you already have it bundled in your licensing. Otherwise, if you choose to pay for a virt app, it might make sense to throw the VMs into Azure. HP has a sizing tool: http://www.virtualizationadmin.com/blogs/conger/news/download-sizing-and-configuration-tool-for-hyper-v-320.html Sent from Microsoft Surface Pro From: itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
That sounds like what these guys did: http://blogs.technet.com/b/privatecloud/archive/2013/02/21/surface-pro-hijinks-video.aspx Install Server 2012 on 4 Surface Pro tablets, enable Hyper-V, create some VMs, and then use Shared-Nothing Live Migration to move them around over a WiFi Hotspot. …Tim From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization I have a clustered mobile san based on iphone farm storage with that same pdf. From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I’ll send it with my Linux email client. -sc From: itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization
Is it WebScale? -sc From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization I have a clustered mobile san based on iphone farm storage with that same pdf. From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Virtualization I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I’ll send it with my Linux email client. -sc From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization Looking to virtualize 7 windows 2008 servers. A couple of questions: How do I size a Virtualized server and san? Which virtual server software is best? Hyper V, VMware, citrix Any guidance in this area is appreciated… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization
No, I think he was saying you have a lot of verve... On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: You have nerve, saying that I have nerve. ** ** -sc ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Virtualization ** ** DOH! You went there, ouch! I thought only I had the nerve to do that.*** * ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.comscaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 8:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Virtualization ** ** I have a PDF on my SAN somewhere that addresses this.. I’ll send it with my Linux email client. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
virtualization question
Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc http://www.addisonreserve.cc/ ARLogoPlatinumClubDistinguishedEmerald Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg
Re: virtualization question
RDS or Citrix XenApp? Or maybe App-V? Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:58:42 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: virtualization question Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc http://www.addisonreserve.cc/ ARLogoPlatinumClubDistinguishedEmerald Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg
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If POS terminal is taking CC information then your IPAD's and the Wireless Network and the system that holds the POS Software is in scope for PCI, something you might want to think about. Along with having to store and encrypt that CC data until it gets to the upstream acquiring bank... Also transmitting of PCI data needs to be encrypted and best to isolate to reduce scope, Food for thought. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-444-9081 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: virtualization question Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cchttp://www.addisonreserve.cc/ [ARLogo][PlatinumClub][DistinguishedEmerald] Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image004.jpginline: image005.jpginline: image006.jpginline: image007.jpg
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I would like multiple iPads accessing the POS system software. Each iPad would require their own connection and 'terminal' settings in the software. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on what it is you want to know. I don't really see a question in there. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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This doesn't strike me as a problem virtualization can solve, as stated. As recommended, this is more of a Citrix or Terminal services issue and whether you can do what you want is going to be governed by whether or not the POS is capable of running concurrently in different sessions. This really should not be an issue, but you should be sure that the POS software can do it in a Citrix or Terminal services environment. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.ccwrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful.* *** ** ** TIA, ** ** *Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT* Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc [image: ARLogo][image: PlatinumClub][image: DistinguishedEmerald] Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. ** ** This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg
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Not taking credit cards. We use member numbers to charge. The pos server is fully compliant. The wireless network used is encrypted as well. Good point thanks Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: If POS terminal is taking CC information then your IPAD’s and the Wireless Network and the system that holds the POS Software is in scope for PCI, something you might want to think about. Along with having to store and encrypt that CC data until it gets to the upstream acquiring bank… Also transmitting of PCI data needs to be encrypted and best to isolate to reduce scope, Food for thought. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-444-9081 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. image004.jpg From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: virtualization question Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc image005.jpgimage006.jpgimage007.jpg Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You’re wanting to run multiple VM servers on a single host, one for each iPad, and then RDP into that VM using the iPad? The multiple VMs are feasible, and accessing from RDP is certainly possible. I don’t know about a RDP client for iPads though. From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question I would like multiple iPads accessing the POS system software. Each iPad would require their own connection and 'terminal' settings in the software. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on what it is you want to know. I don't really see a question in there. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.ccmailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220tel:561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646tel:561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cchttp://www.addisonreserve.cc/ image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Well XenApp/RDS etc. is application virtualization of a sort, just being nit-picky here Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:15:38 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: virtualization question This doesn't strike me as a problem virtualization can solve, as stated. As recommended, this is more of a Citrix or Terminal services issue and whether you can do what you want is going to be governed by whether or not the POS is capable of running concurrently in different sessions. This really should not be an issue, but you should be sure that the POS software can do it in a Citrix or Terminal services environment. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.ccwrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful.* *** ** ** TIA, ** ** *Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT* Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc [image: ARLogo][image: PlatinumClub][image: DistinguishedEmerald] Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. ** ** This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg
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There's a Citrix Receiver for iPads - this might be a situation for XenApp Essentials or Fundamentals or whatever its called (Web, please clarify) Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:38:24 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: virtualization question You’re wanting to run multiple VM servers on a single host, one for each iPad, and then RDP into that VM using the iPad? The multiple VMs are feasible, and accessing from RDP is certainly possible. I don’t know about a RDP client for iPads though. From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question I would like multiple iPads accessing the POS system software. Each iPad would require their own connection and 'terminal' settings in the software. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on what it is you want to know. I don't really see a question in there. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.ccmailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220tel:561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646tel:561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cchttp://www.addisonreserve.cc/ image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: virtualization question
There are RDP clients for the iPad. Some free, some not, some good, some not. Thanks Webster From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Subject: RE: virtualization question You’re wanting to run multiple VM servers on a single host, one for each iPad, and then RDP into that VM using the iPad? The multiple VMs are feasible, and accessing from RDP is certainly possible. I don’t know about a RDP client for iPads though. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Essentials and Fundamentals are dead products. There is no version for XenApp 6.5. The last one was Fundamentals based on XenApp 6.0 and I wouldn’t wish XenApp 6.0 even on Shooky Baby. ☺ Thanks Webster From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question There's a Citrix Receiver for iPads - this might be a situation for XenApp Essentials or Fundamentals or whatever its called (Web, please clarify) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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PocketCloud for the iPad works great! The free version will allow a single RDP Connection. The Pro version ($20) will allow multiply RDP Connections. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 1115 S. Sunset Ave, West Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: virtualization question There are RDP clients for the iPad. Some free, some not, some good, some not. Thanks Webster From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Subject: RE: virtualization question You’re wanting to run multiple VM servers on a single host, one for each iPad, and then RDP into that VM using the iPad? The multiple VMs are feasible, and accessing from RDP is certainly possible. I don’t know about a RDP client for iPads though. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: virtualization question
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Questions... o- Is this a new POS program, or is it currently in use elsewhere? o- If it's currently in use, what are the back end and front end platforms - Windows, *nix? If it's currently in use, and has a Windows front end client, you shoud probably talk withe the vendor regarding whether it plays nice on a TS server, or whether it will play nice with RDP. If they don't know, then I'd explore whether it works via RDP first, and then test to see if you can make it run in a Windows VM, and then test an install on a TS server. If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: virtualization question
If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. You mean, GASP!, VDI??? smirk Thanks Webster -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Questions... o- Is this a new POS program, or is it currently in use elsewhere? o- If it's currently in use, what are the back end and front end platforms - Windows, *nix? If it's currently in use, and has a Windows front end client, you shoud probably talk withe the vendor regarding whether it plays nice on a TS server, or whether it will play nice with RDP. If they don't know, then I'd explore whether it works via RDP first, and then test to see if you can make it run in a Windows VM, and then test an install on a TS server. If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: virtualization question
Exactly! Right now I am using an iPad RDP client to RDP into two unused POS terminals. So I don’t need an RDP client. So what you are saying is to set up a server with multiple VM’s all running the POS software? Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 http://www.addisonreserve.cc/ www.addisonreserve.cc ARLogoPlatinumClubDistinguishedEmerald Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: virtualization question You’re wanting to run multiple VM servers on a single host, one for each iPad, and then RDP into that VM using the iPad? The multiple VMs are feasible, and accessing from RDP is certainly possible. I don’t know about a RDP client for iPads though. From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question I would like multiple iPads accessing the POS system software. Each iPad would require their own connection and 'terminal' settings in the software. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on what it is you want to know. I don't really see a question in there. ASB http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc http://www.addisonreserve.cc/ image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: virtualization question
Thanks Kurt and to all for your input! Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cc Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Questions... o- Is this a new POS program, or is it currently in use elsewhere? o- If it's currently in use, what are the back end and front end platforms - Windows, *nix? If it's currently in use, and has a Windows front end client, you shoud probably talk withe the vendor regarding whether it plays nice on a TS server, or whether it will play nice with RDP. If they don't know, then I'd explore whether it works via RDP first, and then test to see if you can make it run in a Windows VM, and then test an install on a TS server. If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: virtualization question
Maybe, or maybe just stand up some workstations VMs in a free ESXi environment... But perhaps that's VDI, too... Kurt On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. You mean, GASP!, VDI??? smirk Thanks Webster -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: virtualization question On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Stephen Holtz ste...@addisonreserve.cc wrote: Ok, another newbie to the world of virtualization here. I have a POS (point of sale) program that I want to be able to be accessed by iPads using a RDP client. However, I would like to put multiple instances of the program on a server so that each iPad can access the POS program and keep it open during service. Any help even a starting point would be helpful. TIA, Questions... o- Is this a new POS program, or is it currently in use elsewhere? o- If it's currently in use, what are the back end and front end platforms - Windows, *nix? If it's currently in use, and has a Windows front end client, you shoud probably talk withe the vendor regarding whether it plays nice on a TS server, or whether it will play nice with RDP. If they don't know, then I'd explore whether it works via RDP first, and then test to see if you can make it run in a Windows VM, and then test an install on a TS server. If it works via RDP, but not in a shared TS environment, then I'd probably see about getting multiple VMs running as targets for RDP. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization in small office
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Every VM has identical virtual hardware. Minor caveat: Every VM within the same physical architecture (AMD vs Intel) has the identical virtual hardware. Ohh... good point. I kind of knew that but the ramifications hadn't sunk in. Thanks for the tip! -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
Even at that, if you have the same Hypervisor it's not all that hard to move it to a new system by moving the virtual disks and creating a new-to-that-Hypervisor VM. Worst case is you have to assign NIC properties and re-activate the OS. I'm just glad Server 2012 lets you merge deleted snapshots while the VM is running. One less advantage VMWare has (took MS long enough...). Dave -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization in small office On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Every VM has identical virtual hardware. Minor caveat: Every VM within the same physical architecture (AMD vs Intel) has the identical virtual hardware. Ohh... good point. I kind of knew that but the ramifications hadn't sunk in. Thanks for the tip! -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
I VM even in single-server environments. If you have a SMB with SQL and are buying Server 2012, you're licensed for four VM's, so you can divorce SQL from the DC .If you have the resources (RAM, disk), I'd run the DC, SQL, and file/print each on different VM's. Or at minimum divorce the DC from everything else, since you can get away with small RAM/HDD requirements on a DC in a SMB. Dave From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization in small office I deal mostly with SMB. Virtualization is a great fit if you have a number of physical servers. But what about a single server situation? I have a couple replacements coming up where there is a single server that is a DC, file and print, runs SQL or some other database for their LOB and thats it. Is it overkill to say setup 2012 Hyper-V and set up one guest server? It doesn't cost any more because server standard comes with two virtual licenses. Both places currently backup to a NAS so I could just install Veeam in order to get incremental backups vs just installing a new physical server and OS and say using Shadowprotect to backup. Any thoughts appreciated. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
Server 2012 Standard comes with TWO VM instances, not four. You're thinking of Server 2008 R2 Enterprise. Art From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization in small office I VM even in single-server environments. If you have a SMB with SQL and are buying Server 2012, you're licensed for four VM's, so you can divorce SQL from the DC .If you have the resources (RAM, disk), I'd run the DC, SQL, and file/print each on different VM's. Or at minimum divorce the DC from everything else, since you can get away with small RAM/HDD requirements on a DC in a SMB. Dave From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization in small office I deal mostly with SMB. Virtualization is a great fit if you have a number of physical servers. But what about a single server situation? I have a couple replacements coming up where there is a single server that is a DC, file and print, runs SQL or some other database for their LOB and thats it. Is it overkill to say setup 2012 Hyper-V and set up one guest server? It doesn't cost any more because server standard comes with two virtual licenses. Both places currently backup to a NAS so I could just install Veeam in order to get incremental backups vs just installing a new physical server and OS and say using Shadowprotect to backup. Any thoughts appreciated. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
You don't specify size of office so here is a generalization. This is based on office size of less than 25 users. What I would do is use Server 2012 Standard as the host. Then create 2 VMs. The first VM would run Server 2012 Essentials and the second VM would run Server 2012 Standard. Server 2012 Essentials covers you as the DC and file print. The second VM with Server 2012 Standard allows you to run SQL or some other database separately. You'll have to determine what the hardware will look like. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization in small office I deal mostly with SMB. Virtualization is a great fit if you have a number of physical servers. But what about a single server situation? I have a couple replacements coming up where there is a single server that is a DC, file and print, runs SQL or some other database for their LOB and thats it. Is it overkill to say setup 2012 Hyper-V and set up one guest server? It doesn't cost any more because server standard comes with two virtual licenses. Both places currently backup to a NAS so I could just install Veeam in order to get incremental backups vs just installing a new physical server and OS and say using Shadowprotect to backup. Any thoughts appreciated. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
My bad, I sit corrected! From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization in small office Server 2012 Standard comes with TWO VM instances, not four. You're thinking of Server 2008 R2 Enterprise. Art From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualization in small office I VM even in single-server environments. If you have a SMB with SQL and are buying Server 2012, you're licensed for four VM's, so you can divorce SQL from the DC .If you have the resources (RAM, disk), I'd run the DC, SQL, and file/print each on different VM's. Or at minimum divorce the DC from everything else, since you can get away with small RAM/HDD requirements on a DC in a SMB. Dave From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization in small office I deal mostly with SMB. Virtualization is a great fit if you have a number of physical servers. But what about a single server situation? I have a couple replacements coming up where there is a single server that is a DC, file and print, runs SQL or some other database for their LOB and thats it. Is it overkill to say setup 2012 Hyper-V and set up one guest server? It doesn't cost any more because server standard comes with two virtual licenses. Both places currently backup to a NAS so I could just install Veeam in order to get incremental backups vs just installing a new physical server and OS and say using Shadowprotect to backup. Any thoughts appreciated. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization in small office
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Hank . hgedr...@gmail.com wrote: I deal mostly with SMB. Virtualization is a great fit if you have a number of physical servers. But what about a single server situation? That's pretty much the exact same scenario I was facing a year ago. You may find the thread I started about it useful: http://www.mail-archive.com/ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com/msg106517.html have a couple replacements coming up where there is a single server that is a DC, file and print, runs SQL or some other database for their LOB and thats it. One of the motivations we had for virtualizing was to get away from the everything-on-one-OS-instance design. Microsoft *really* does *not* want to do this. They support it, but only grudgingly, and with a lot of caveats and gotchas. Updates to one thing means everything goes down when you reboot. Some stuff flat-out doesn't work together on the same instance. At the same time, we're a relatively small shop, and modern hardware is cheap. We could afford to buy a bigger box and then run a ton of VMs on it. That means we can now afford to dedicate an OS instance to each major service/function. We even went so far as to buy Data Center edition, solely to get the unlimited VMs license. It also makes disaster recovery a lot easier. Microsoft is *really* sensitive to the hardware you restore it to. Restoring a Windows server to significantly different hardware has always been an uncertain proposition. This eliminates that problem entirely: Every VM has identical virtual hardware. And even with a single physical server, no SAN, etc., migration and upgrades are easier. Moving to new hardware (without changing the software) is trivial. Just copy the VM files on the host. If we outgrow the single box, do the same thing, just for only some of the VMs. If we decide it's time to move to a SAN, we can add that and do the copy to that and we're off and running. So, lots of good reasons to do it. There is some added complexity. And it does enable a small biz to do a lot of things they couldn't do before, which can end up meaning more work for IT. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Virtualization Security By: Dave Shackleford Sybex Publishing ISBN:978-1-118-28812-2 Covers ESXi, XenServer and HyperV. EZ Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: A question about Virtualization
It’s included in some EAs too – pseudo free. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Tight AD integration, for one. Lots of GP control, for another. From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability
Re: A question about Virtualization
Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
LOL I was right there with you at the beginning of 2012. We just signed off on FINALLY getting VMware and a SAN in here. Should be happening in the next weeks. We are 100% physical right now (10 servers). Getting 3 hosts, a SAN, 2 SAN switches, and a bunch of software (VMWare Essentials Plus). Over $200k for everything (P2V servers, upgrade AD to 2008, migrate to Exchange 2010, migrate to Citrix XenApp 6.5) Without more details on what you currently have, hard to say what you will need. But this should give you an idea of what we are about to go through. Also, if you search the archives here on specifically (4/3/2012, 4/16/2012, and 7/17/2012) I started a few threads voicing my concerns and looking for answers just like you. From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
Here's some things I learned: * The host servers will have several NICS. They will connect to the new switches (2 for redundancy), and the 2 new switches connect the SAN. The host servers also connect to your LAN via their other NICs, but you have to think of the SAN as its own mini environment. * IOPS (in/out per second) are critically important. Dell has a free tool (DPACK) that you can download and run over a few days that will give you an idea of your IOPS, storage, CPU, RAM, throughput, RW ratio, etc... NetApp will likely charge for a similar report. Just knowing your IOPS will help greatly in making sure you buy an adequate SAN. For the SAN, generally these calculations are used: 15k drive ~175 IOPS per spindle 10k drive ~150 IOPS per spindle * Don't forget about your backups. They will very likely change from what you are doing now. * Training! From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the package which we generally give them a shortcut to. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need
RE: A question about Virtualization
Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
No client at all? Just a shortcut to an executable? Sounds interesting. ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:06:16 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the package which we generally give them a shortcut to. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender
RE: A question about Virtualization
Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
It's like butter! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization No client at all? Just a shortcut to an executable? Sounds interesting. ---Blackberried From: John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:06:16 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the package which we generally give them a shortcut to. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
Re: A question about Virtualization
Thinly provisioning servers, too. In that most of my servers now host a single app or role. I went from 3 physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
Boy, you've got that right. About 18 months ago, we started with about 30 servers on 5 hosts. It's now up to around 60 servers and just last week we doubled the memory in the hosts. I plan to budget for a new host next year. -Original Message- From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: A question about Virtualization
Yes, 10 currently. Good to know I should be able to scale to 120. Thanks! From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization 3 hosts for 10 servers?!?!?!!?!?! I have 3 hosts and I run 120 servers on them SAN switches? Kool-aid taste good? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:40 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: LOL I was right there with you at the beginning of 2012. We just signed off on FINALLY getting VMware and a SAN in here. Should be happening in the next weeks. We are 100% physical right now (10 servers). Getting 3 hosts, a SAN, 2 SAN switches, and a bunch of software (VMWare Essentials Plus). Over $200k for everything (P2V servers, upgrade AD to 2008, migrate to Exchange 2010, migrate to Citrix XenApp 6.5) Without more details on what you currently have, hard to say what you will need. But this should give you an idea of what we are about to go through. Also, if you search the archives here on specifically (4/3/2012, 4/16/2012, and 7/17/2012) I started a few threads voicing my concerns and looking for answers just like you. From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc. Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the remaining machines, and I'll be very happy. Kurt On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Thinly provisioning servers, too. In that most of my servers now host a single app or role. I went from 3 physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
If you're using Citrix, then PVS is the mutt's nuts when dealing with virtualized systems. Seeing as Webster is asleep after 40 hours awake, I thought I'd better plug all the Citrix products in his absence :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:09:24 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: A question about Virtualization I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc. Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the remaining machines, and I'll be very happy. Kurt On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Thinly provisioning servers, too. In that most of my servers now host a single app or role. I went from 3 physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Re: A question about Virtualization
We're using VMware Essentials Plus, and standard MSFT servers - no Citrix here. Not a need for it at this point. Kurt On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: ** If you're using Citrix, then PVS is the mutt's nuts when dealing with virtualized systems. Seeing as Webster is asleep after 40 hours awake, I thought I'd better plug all the Citrix products in his absence :-) ---Blackberried -- *From: * Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:09:24 -0800 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: * NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc. Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the remaining machines, and I'll be very happy. Kurt On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Thinly provisioning servers, too. In that most of my servers now host a single app or role. I went from 3 physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: A question about Virtualization
With that in mind, keep a watch for development machines that never go away and development machines that magically become production. It's easy to do when you're not buying hardware to support your test environment anymore. My 2 cents. Paul -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Boy, you've got that right. About 18 months ago, we started with about 30 servers on 5 hosts. It's now up to around 60 servers and just last week we doubled the memory in the hosts. I plan to budget for a new host next year. -Original Message- From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Good luck! Also consider VM Sprawl. You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple. (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...) -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization Thanks all, I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize. Outside of that I am not sure. I am waiting on specs. I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hey David. My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use: VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard) Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity) Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.) Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option) After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:28:21 -0800 Subject: A question about Virtualization I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a tiger team to sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling first dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: A question about Virtualization Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your environment. Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons of variables that can affect decision making. A small investment in professional services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the future. FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't sound like your environment is large enough to justify blades. Just my $.02. - Sean On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
That about sums it up. And its all chargeable by the hour :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:24:31 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: A question about Virtualization If I understand the NTSysAdminIssues SLA correctly I have to post (with passwords in clear text) all firewall, switch, and Active Directory configurations. Any financial software with backdoor setup information with super user access. For this TigerTeam to properly be able to 'help' me get a 'really' good configuration. Does that about sum it up? I will consider this option From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:15 PM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization I'll take the VCenter piece if I can do it remotely J John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a tiger team to sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling first dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-) ---Blackberried From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 -0900 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your environment. Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons of variables that can affect decision making. A small investment in professional services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the future. FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't sound like your environment is large enough to justify blades. Just my $.02. - Sean On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
Re: A question about Virtualization
All joking aside, I've worked on contracts where a squad of specialists from this list could have done a far better and more cost-effective job than the consultants actually involved. Don't know whether anyone recalls a message I mistakenly sent to the list two years ago meant for Webster that said these consultants are so full of sh*t, but I've been on site recently with the same customer cleaning up the same problems I highlighted then. But at an increased daily rate :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:31:33 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: A question about Virtualization I will assist on the systems security review and risk management... you can email me offline for assistance, if needed. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization If I understand the NTSysAdminIssues SLA correctly I have to post (with passwords in clear text) all firewall, switch, and Active Directory configurations. Any financial software with backdoor setup information with super user access. For this TigerTeam to properly be able to 'help' me get a 'really' good configuration. Does that about sum it up? I will consider this option From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:15 PM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: A question about Virtualization Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization I'll take the VCenter piece if I can do it remotely J John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a tiger team to sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling first dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-) ---Blackberried From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 -0900 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your environment. Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons of variables that can affect decision making. A small investment in professional services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the future. FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't sound like your environment is large enough to justify blades. Just my $.02. - Sean On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don't flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended
Re: A question about Virtualization
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 3 hosts for 10 servers?!?!?!!?!?! I have 3 hosts and I run 120 servers on them SAN switches? Kool-aid taste good? I do 120 VMs on 6 hosts, w/256G RAM ea. Soon to be 512G, so we can run more VMs ... all backed by an FC SAN ... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: A question about Virtualization
Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http
Re: A question about Virtualization
Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on the server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of them needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run apps that don't get on alongside each other without issue. The main benefit of App-V for me is in image management - no need to update or maintain software on hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client and Citrix Receiver in the base image and all your apps are effectively already installed and ready for use. ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: A question about Virtualization Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any
Re: A question about Virtualization
That's an eye opener, thanks James. So the client on the server simply calls the installation binaries that exist on that same server or a shared folder that could sit on the SAN ? Not having to install applications on Citirix servers is a MAJOR plus. And as you mentioned, the Citrix Streaming Profiler is just not a real elegant/easy solution, in my opinion. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: ** Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on the server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of them needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run apps that don't get on alongside each other without issue. The main benefit of App-V for me is in image management - no need to update or maintain software on hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client and Citrix Receiver in the base image and all your apps are effectively already installed and ready for use. ---Blackberried -- *From: * Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 -0500 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: * NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have no experience with Virtualized anything. I have read VMware is better than Citrix. What kind of hardware do I put all of this on? A Blade server with a SAN back end? I really have no opinions or experience on any of this. Please don’t flame me to badly. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums
Re: A question about Virtualization
The client calls the package or sequence that you put together using the App-V Sequencer (similar to a Citrix profiler). This sequence is a capture of the installation which then streams all the files, folders, reg keys, etc. down to the client and runs the app. You can run this stream from a file share like you said, or through http or native App-V from a management server. If you need a run-down of the features of the various streams versus running it through SMB from a file share, I might have to get on to an App-V MVP of my acquaintance. But on good SAN links the SMB approach seems to work very efficiently for me. ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:24:37 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: A question about Virtualization That's an eye opener, thanks James. So the client on the server simply calls the installation binaries that exist on that same server or a shared folder that could sit on the SAN ? Not having to install applications on Citirix servers is a MAJOR plus. And as you mentioned, the Citrix Streaming Profiler is just not a real elegant/easy solution, in my opinion. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: ** Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on the server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of them needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run apps that don't get on alongside each other without issue. The main benefit of App-V for me is in image management - no need to update or maintain software on hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client and Citrix Receiver in the base image and all your apps are effectively already installed and ready for use. ---Blackberried -- *From: * Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 -0500 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: * NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great at all. One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app. App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the kind of deployments I do. I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire virtualization strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level. Cheers, JR On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package. *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization Server virtualization? Desktop virtualization? Application virtualization? Profile/user virtualization? All different parts of the virtualization tree. If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO Profile/user - AppSense On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have
RE: New to virtualization
I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A0 9A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing %20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would
Re: New to virtualization
Speed. Very common. -Original Message- From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:50:19 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: New to virtualization I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A0 9A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing %20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network
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Yep, ESXi can run off a USB flash drive or a SD card. It's fully supported by VMware and often by the vendor as well (I know HP does). There are a few caveats such as needing a location for scratch space, and a couple of other similar things. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough
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This could work. I like local disk storage so I can easily move an ISO library to the hosts. What's outlined is certainly viable. Once the host is booted, it doesn't really rely on local storage in a SAN environment, as the guests reside on the SAN. I have a couple of hosts on local storage, but these are low priority or something I'm testing. Local storage gives you flexibility. I can restore a VM and some data to a host if the SAN were to become unavailable. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization ** ** The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, ** ** Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide:* *** http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote
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The three hosts is a reasonable high availability tactic, if one fails the other two should (if sized correctly) still be able to run the guests. IDK about running off a USB drive (seems like a point of failure) but it can be done. We just provisioned 3 new ESXi 5 hosts with a single small enterprise class SSD drive, no mirror needed. Installing a fresh clean copy of ESXi takes very little time and if you have a version that's capable of doing host profiles then it's trivial. We just keep a spare drive on the shelf in case we have an emergency issue that our 4 hr parts support can't cover. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com
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I have a couple of guests on local storage, is what I meant to say. All my hosts have local storage. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: This could work. I like local disk storage so I can easily move an ISO library to the hosts. What's outlined is certainly viable. Once the host is booted, it doesn't really rely on local storage in a SAN environment, as the guests reside on the SAN. I have a couple of hosts on local storage, but these are low priority or something I'm testing. Local storage gives you flexibility. I can restore a VM and some data to a host if the SAN were to become unavailable. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization ** ** The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, ** ** Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. *ASB* *http
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Yup. We have 5 HP hosts and each one boots off a USB. And, yes, I was surprised when the installer told me that. From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Speed. Very common. From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:50:19 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: New to virtualization I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run
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I'm just in the middle up upgrading from an 4 year old HP EVA 4000 to an $130k NetApp solution, this includes 2 new DL380 G7 192 GB of ram dual X5650 processors and yes no HD’s just SD for the VMware. AI also got 2 NetApp shelves FAS-2240 production with 24 * 600GB Drives and the DR with 24 * 1Tb drives and an HP Tape loader including installation and setup services but I’m re-using my fibe switches and also re-using older ML370 for my DR. DE duplication has already given me back 1.3Tb and counting. I’m very impressed. Stefan On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization ** ** The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, ** ** Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide:* *** http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Mar 13, 2012
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Why did you choose Netapp? I'm looking to budget for a replacement SAN in the next or so. Currently, we're using a EMC CX500. We're also looking into VDI, which would necessitate a new SAN due to my CX500 basically being maxed out on drives. I've got a price on an EMC VNX5300 but the consultant said he could also price out a Netapp. (I've also heard some good things about Dell's Compellent line.) From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I'm just in the middle up upgrading from an 4 year old HP EVA 4000 to an $130k NetApp solution, this includes 2 new DL380 G7 192 GB of ram dual X5650 processors and yes no HD's just SD for the VMware. AI also got 2 NetApp shelves FAS-2240 production with 24 * 600GB Drives and the DR with 24 * 1Tb drives and an HP Tape loader including installation and setup services but I'm re-using my fibe switches and also re-using older ML370 for my DR. DE duplication has already given me back 1.3Tb and counting. I'm very impressed. Stefan On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload
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Thx I actually did bring that up... and they said for $30 you grab a few extras to have on hand. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization one thing to remember about USB memory sticks, they have a finite life. A limited number of write cycles, you use them as a system drive with swap/paging and primary temp folders, and you'll find out how quickly they will start to fail. Ask the vendor how they support/warranty the drive failures ... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me... is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A0 9A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing %20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough
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Strictly on the recommendation of my consultant, he is the one that installed the HP EVA 4 year ago but he is now installing NetApp, his group has installed 160 NetApp’s in Canada in the last 1-1/2 years, he is very impressed with NetApp and he has good experience with Dell, IBM, HP etc. Stefan On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul pa...@mmcwm.com wrote: Why did you choose Netapp? I'm looking to budget for a replacement SAN in the next or so. Currently, we're using a EMC CX500. We're also looking into VDI, which would necessitate a new SAN due to my CX500 basically being maxed out on drives. I've got a price on an EMC VNX5300 but the consultant said he could also price out a Netapp. (I've also heard some good things about Dell's Compellent line.) ** ** *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** I'm just in the middle up upgrading from an 4 year old HP EVA 4000 to an $130k NetApp solution, this includes 2 new DL380 G7 192 GB of ram dual X5650 processors and yes no HD’s just SD for the VMware. AI also got 2 NetApp shelves FAS-2240 production with 24 * 600GB Drives and the DR with 24 * 1Tb drives and an HP Tape loader including installation and setup services but I’m re-using my fibe switches and also re-using older ML370 for my DR. DE duplication has already given me back 1.3Tb and counting.*** * I’m very impressed. Stefan ** ** On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide:* *** http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance
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We priced NetApp and EMC a couple of years back and they were very close in price, but NetApp had better features. The features we found valueable were: Hybrid - SAN and NAS in one box. Using it as our file server. Deduplication - We are getting over 40% space savings on file server files and 70% on virtual machine files (VMware) Replication - Only block level changes get pushed over the wire. Backups - SMVI (snap manager for virtual infrastructure) is fantastic. Takes snapshot of the VM, takes snapshot of the storage, then rolls back the vm snapshot. Takes maybe 20 minutes for ~25 servers. You can then do a restore or just mount the backup and extract single file(s). I have not looked at the EMC offerings in a while, maybe they offer similar features now. Robert On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul pa...@mmcwm.com wrote: Why did you choose Netapp? I'm looking to budget for a replacement SAN in the next or so. Currently, we're using a EMC CX500. We're also looking into VDI, which would necessitate a new SAN due to my CX500 basically being maxed out on drives. I've got a price on an EMC VNX5300 but the consultant said he could also price out a Netapp. (I've also heard some good things about Dell's Compellent line.) ** ** *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** I'm just in the middle up upgrading from an 4 year old HP EVA 4000 to an $130k NetApp solution, this includes 2 new DL380 G7 192 GB of ram dual X5650 processors and yes no HD’s just SD for the VMware. AI also got 2 NetApp shelves FAS-2240 production with 24 * 600GB Drives and the DR with 24 * 1Tb drives and an HP Tape loader including installation and setup services but I’m re-using my fibe switches and also re-using older ML370 for my DR. DE duplication has already given me back 1.3Tb and counting.*** * I’m very impressed. Stefan ** ** On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide:* *** http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight
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Indeed. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.comwrote: *I’d highly recommend a strong look at the NetApp offering. What they have to offer is (in my opinion) very strong and the pricing is competitive. Functionality wise I’ve not seen a better offering, especially when you factor in the application level integration they have. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:43 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** We priced NetApp and EMC a couple of years back and they were very close in price, but NetApp had better features. The features we found valueable were: Hybrid - SAN and NAS in one box. Using it as our file server. Deduplication - We are getting over 40% space savings on file server files and 70% on virtual machine files (VMware) Replication - Only block level changes get pushed over the wire. Backups - SMVI (snap manager for virtual infrastructure) is fantastic. Takes snapshot of the VM, takes snapshot of the storage, then rolls back the vm snapshot. Takes maybe 20 minutes for ~25 servers. You can then do a restore or just mount the backup and extract single file(s). I have not looked at the EMC offerings in a while, maybe they offer similar features now. Robert On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul pa...@mmcwm.com wrote:*** * Why did you choose Netapp? I'm looking to budget for a replacement SAN in the next or so. Currently, we're using a EMC CX500. We're also looking into VDI, which would necessitate a new SAN due to my CX500 basically being maxed out on drives. I've got a price on an EMC VNX5300 but the consultant said he could also price out a Netapp. (I've also heard some good things about Dell's Compellent line.) *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I'm just in the middle up upgrading from an 4 year old HP EVA 4000 to an $130k NetApp solution, this includes 2 new DL380 G7 192 GB of ram dual X5650 processors and yes no HD’s just SD for the VMware. AI also got 2 NetApp shelves FAS-2240 production with 24 * 600GB Drives and the DR with 24 * 1Tb drives and an HP Tape loader including installation and setup services but I’m re-using my fibe switches and also re-using older ML370 for my DR. DE duplication has already given me back 1.3Tb and counting.*** * I’m very impressed. Stefan On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors. One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor. They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and that VMware would run off a USB stick??? This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice? What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the hosts? *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I guarantee it. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide:* *** http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more
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I break out by general function when possible - I have AV and patching on the same server, but SMS is on its own. One loose rule (I'll bet you guys consciously or unconsciously do the same) is impact of reboot, as in, if a given server can be rebooted without any immediate user impact (SMS server), I try to put other functions on that same box. Same goes for used-by-department stuff, etc. The fewer people I can impact with a reboot the better and, conveniently, working towards better business resiliency generally leads to a better configuration on that as well. Dave From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization You'll also want to avoid sprawl... The happy medium will depend on many factors, but I rarely end up with 1 for 1 functions except for the largest organizations. There are always other considerations, such as AV, patch management, etc. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Personal opinion here but you have way too much stuff on that primary DC comparing it to what I would normally do I would really make that DC a) redundant, b) at least 5 additional servers. I never put file shares on anything but by itself and would do the same thing for each of the management servers (WSUS, GFI, but most especially Symantec). I really hated having Symantec on with anything else it always was needing or doing something that I really did not like. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.orgmailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Datacenter is licensed per CPU - those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense
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I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf ** ** You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. ** ** Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a diagram. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don’t see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does
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The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC
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90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc. BTW, at the site I am working at (HQ with main IT staff), they are desperately trying to fill over 150 open IT positions. They have 4 other IT sites they are hiring for also. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Andrew Baker asbz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New to virtualization Citrix loves RAM too. Going with 6-8GB and x64 will improve performance. ** *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
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They do use AppSense but I don't know what parts of AppSense they use and with which XenApp and XenDesktop projects. I am sure 23,300 AppSense licenses were not cheap! I am also sure 22,500 Platinum XenApp licenses, 800 Platinum XenDesktop 4 licenses and 25,000 Platinum XenDesktop 5.6 licenses set them back a good bit of money. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: New to virtualization 90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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That's just short of £1,000,000 for AppSense licenses, according to my calculations. In that case - I'd assume they use the whole suite. On 14 March 2012 10:47, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: They do use AppSense but I don’t know what parts of AppSense they use and with which XenApp and XenDesktop projects. I am sure 23,300 AppSense licenses were not cheap! I am also sure 22,500 Platinum XenApp licenses, 800 Platinum XenDesktop 4 licenses and 25,000 Platinum XenDesktop 5.6 licenses set them back a good bit of money. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** 90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. ** ** The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc.** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
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Thanks for the link! I will inquire about virtual clustering, initially I was just thinking of hosting stand alone hosts... From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization The others have given some good suggestions. Mine is download ESXi and play with it (And HyperV). Spend the time now because VMware is currently vey expensive and your environment sounds within the bounds of HyperV and if you find real savings there you can spend it doing some upgrades (AD, Exchange, Citrix) You can virtualize everything. It does complicate getting your environment back up if you have an unexpected outage (UPS dies, catches fire, repairs don't go well and you get a call at 2am regarding an unexpected outage but I digress). Even though it 'complicates' things, it's certainly still do-able. With VMware you just have to connect to your hosts individually until you get one with the DC on it and get it powered up before you bring everything else up. Having a physical DC is a nice to have as you can ensure it's powered up first and life is easier but it's not necessary, just really really nice. (One of our more isolated evironments as about 40 guests on 3 hosts and completely virtual including DCs with above referenced annoyances). If you go with VMware you are licensing both Microsoft and VMware per host and VMware has the fun new memory based price model. If you look at the costs you may find that just using HyperV then Windows Datacenter license may come out equal and grants you more flexibility regarding guest systems. System Center 2012 suite of products is coming out any day now so there is a lot of 'free training' offered via marketing (see some earlier threads). Are you looking at virtual clustering for uptime SLA's or were you just hosting stand alone hosts? http://systemcenteruniverse.com/Agenda -- look at the SCVMM presentation. Just some thoguhts Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:04 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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As an adendum to Garys note about VCenter VMWare has a free VM appliance for managing your servers. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 08:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: New to virtualization Haven’t discussed clustering yet. I will probably look at a DR planning first? co-location or replicating to another of my offices maybe? WOW – I just noticed all the replies trickling in due to the delays of this list. THANKS EVERYONE! This really turned into a great thread, w/ tons of info. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Good topic David as I’m planning for a similar environment so I am interested in the same answers. Using Hyper-V and Remote Desktop Services, main office and remote office with 6 servers and ~100+ people. Quick answers to some of the questions. Most recommend at least one physical box that is a DC, DNS, DHCP and management server. If everything happens to be off at the same time having this physical box online first solves issues of no DC being available. Yes you can schedule the VMs to start in a certain order but are all the other pieces running also. Exchange 2010 is supported being virtualized. I have no experience with Citrix but I’m sure Webster will be able to answer the question. Additional DCs can be virtualized. Only you can answer whether 7 TB of storage is enough. How much do you have now? What is expected growth rate? How expandable is the SAN? Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise includes the ability to run up to 4 VMs included in the price. You are not limited to 4. These 4 can be any combination of Standard or Enterprise. If you want to run more than 4 you need to have the appropriate number of server licenses. Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter includes the ability to run unlimited VMs. Well unlimited up to the limits of your hardware, CPU, RAM, etc. Datacenter is licensed per CPU and minimum of 2 CPUs. This is where a cost analysis will help. Do you plan on clustering the servers? From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
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David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Datacenter is licensed per CPU - those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
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Excellent! Thank you very much. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization If you use VMWare, you'll have a VirtualCenter system that manages all of your hosts and clusters. Some people keep this physical, but you can virtualize this management system as well. http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_vc_in_vm.pdf I'd recommend doing a parallel migration for your Citrix users, i.e. stand up a XenApp 6.5 farm, install the same applications as your old garm, and allow the users access to both new and old farms through a single Web Interface (Mr Webster's blog has a good article on doing this). Then you can get some test users to try the new apps, get some feel for the metrics of your new virtualized systems, and be able to instantly roll them back to the old farm if you hit any issues. On 13 March 2012 18:12, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by Virtualizing VirtualCenter? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send
RE: New to virtualization
We do exactly this at %dayjob%. It's been a bummer on the couple of occasions that ESX had had an issue and the only way to get to that vCenter box is to take the other VM's offline (or rather that's how my ESX guy explained it to me). That was a couple years ago so newer versions may have addressed this. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization In a VMware environment VirtualCenter (or vCenter Server) is the management box for handling all your VMware servers and guests. This server *can* be a VM and is supported as such. Some people have nervous twitches about it, but it's perfectly workable. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]mailto:[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by Virtualizing VirtualCenter? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only
Re: New to virtualization
I definitely see some room for growing your total number of servers there. Isolating DCs would be #1. DCs and DNS can stay together, but, putting AV on its own, file sharing (maybe with WSUS, I have the files for WSUS on the same computer as my file/print server). I actually have backup on a different (physical) server, but I roll my own with robocopy... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d ** ** The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: “However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? “ Datacenter is licensed per CPU – those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? ** ** Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
Re: New to virtualization
You can manage any individual ESX host with the VI client if the VCenter were to go off line. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: New to virtualization We do exactly this at %dayjob%. It’s been a bummer on the couple of occasions that ESX had had an issue and the only way to get to that vCenter box is to take the other VM’s offline (or rather that’s how my ESX guy explained it to me). That was a couple years ago so newer versions may have addressed this. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization In a VMware environment VirtualCenter (or vCenter Server) is the management box for handling all your VMware servers and guests. This server *can* be a VM and is supported as such. Some people have nervous twitches about it, but it’s perfectly workable. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]mailto:[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by “Virtualizing VirtualCenter�? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
RE: New to virtualization
Best hope your NetApp is connected via some means to the internet (or whatever black magic the NetApp uses to talk back to the mothership so they can send you an email). From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 18:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) That is GREAT to hear, thx From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I'm really just getting started here myself, but... VM NICs connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc. Oh yeah - the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore. Figure on getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting (so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main LAN). NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
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Yes, they told me that is part of the setup. From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Best hope your NetApp is connected via some means to the internet (or whatever black magic the NetApp uses to talk back to the mothership so they can send you an email). From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 18:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) That is GREAT to hear, thx From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I'm really just getting started here myself, but... VM NICs connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc. Oh yeah - the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore. Figure on getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting (so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main LAN). NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
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Also, before you start planning DR, you might want to see what the business says needs to be up and how quickly ( RTO) before, that will dictate what you will probably have to replicate to another DC or offsite. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization If you are looking at DR and replication DEFINITELY - notice big capital bold letters there :) look at the costs involved with each vendor for doing storage level replication. Some of the vendors costs can (and will) make you wince, not to mention the fact that with most vendors you're essentially stuck paying for a second storage array which in an ideal world you'll never actually use. If you have a remote office I'll echo again that you should check out the Virtual SAN appliances as they will do all the stuff that the hardware appliances do, but at your remote office(s) you can just drop in a VM on a half-decent server rather than needing another $20k array and $10k of replication licenses. You can of course do VM level replication using things like SRM or Veeam, it's probably lower cost, but it adds another layer of software into the mix depending what you're planning on doing for backup. Paul From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Haven't discussed clustering yet. I will probably look at a DR planning first? co-location or replicating to another of my offices maybe? WOW - I just noticed all the replies trickling in due to the delays of this list. THANKS EVERYONE! This really turned into a great thread, w/ tons of info. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Good topic David as I'm planning for a similar environment so I am interested in the same answers. Using Hyper-V and Remote Desktop Services, main office and remote office with 6 servers and ~100+ people. Quick answers to some of the questions. Most recommend at least one physical box that is a DC, DNS, DHCP and management server. If everything happens to be off at the same time having this physical box online first solves issues of no DC being available. Yes you can schedule the VMs to start in a certain order but are all the other pieces running also. Exchange 2010 is supported being virtualized. I have no experience with Citrix but I'm sure Webster will be able to answer the question. Additional DCs can be virtualized. Only you can answer whether 7 TB of storage is enough. How much do you have now? What is expected growth rate? How expandable is the SAN? Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise includes the ability to run up to 4 VMs included in the price. You are not limited to 4. These 4 can be any combination of Standard or Enterprise. If you want to run more than 4 you need to have the appropriate number of server licenses. Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter includes the ability to run unlimited VMs. Well unlimited up to the limits of your hardware, CPU, RAM, etc. Datacenter is licensed per CPU and minimum of 2 CPUs. This is where a cost analysis will help. Do you plan on clustering the servers? From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after
Re: New to virtualization
Personal opinion here but you have way too much stuff on that primary DC comparing it to what I would normally do I would really make that DC a) redundant, b) at least 5 additional servers. I never put file shares on anything but by itself and would do the same thing for each of the management servers (WSUS, GFI, but most especially Symantec). I really hated having Symantec on with anything else it always was needing or doing something that I really did not like. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d ** ** The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: “However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? “ Datacenter is licensed per CPU – those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? ** ** Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click
RE: New to virtualization
No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow
New to virtualization
Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
If it were me, given the limited details (no mention of IOPs), I would be looking at the new G8 HP or 12g Dell servers that can take a lot more spindles, with a view to using DAS and running a Virtual SAN under VMware. DataCenter is the way to go ideally as you will end up with more VM's than you expected to and an Enterprise license doesn't (I think) allow you to shift VM's around if you follow it strictly. Spend some of your money on CALs and infrastructure rather than blowing the lot on running a 10 year old OS on a spanky new hardware SAN IMO. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: New to virtualization
At a high level you have all the components you need. Boxes to run ESX SAN Licensing The specifics are open to debate based on your environment. All of the things you pointed out are variables that only you can make an informed decision about based on the current environment and how you see it evolving over the next ~3 years. Storage for the SAN Number of new servers added to the environment Capacity of current infrastructure Some things to think about. FC vs iSCSI. VMWare vs HyperV Disaster Recovery In a smaller environment where you may not necessarily need all the bells and whistles, Hyper-V is very attractive and may save you $$$. Also I highly recommend going to the Data Center license if you can, then you are covered for the OS licenses if you do decide to spin up more boxes. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 03/13/2012 11:33 AM Subject:New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image/jpeg
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Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: ** Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how
RE: New to virtualization
I'm really just getting started here myself, but... VM NICs connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc. Oh yeah - the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore. Figure on getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting (so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main LAN). NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
