Re: Pages in the social media
Rob, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho wrote: >> Hi >> >> 2012/5/6 Rob Weir : >>> And same here. An official project account should be linking back to >>> the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. >> Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, >> naturally we will use it. >> > > We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ > I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here. In some > sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by > giving more autonomy to the NLC. That was how they "achieved peace" > with the community, But we don't have that issue here. At Apache > everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project. Sun's Hamburg team lead and, initially, the US elements, considered the NL projects as at best walled gardens and at worst a waste of time. I had to proceed very cautiously with them, until such a point that momentum took over. And it took over:-) The LO/TDF contingent that left was almost entirely the NLC population. Put another way, the NLC were not a palliative, or if it was thought by some to be such, was a rather lousy one. Rather, they were vehicles to seek a sustainable community independent of any one company. The element that *was* mean to bring in people were the extensions, though these too were not palliative. But this too took a rather long time to realise and put into effect, and as some here can attest, it too was proceed with cautiously. But I totally agree with your point that here, in Apache-land, things are fundamentally different and more open, as governance is accountable to Apache and is not directed by the business needs of any single company owning the code. The transition to this model is right now going rather well, all things considered. But what will make the deciding difference, I believe, is to build the ecosystem anew. Louis > > -Rob > >> In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. >> >> Best, >> Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho wrote: > Hi > > 2012/5/6 Rob Weir : >> And same here. An official project account should be linking back to >> the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. > > Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, > naturally we will use it. > We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ I think you would link the social media account to the main official website. > I understand that is necessary to have all efforts more close possible > related to AOO, but in many times, we haven't this velocity and this > can't be a barrier for new volunteers/promoters, IMO. > > And i think that this was a good example in OOo, where we had freedom > to start our regional group, promoting the product and grew because > hadn't a similar space in Oracle. > You still have the freedom to do work outside of Apache, But obviously that is not officially part of the project. It is external. It might still do wonderful work. But it is not officially part of "Apache OpenOffice". So there is nothing wrong with having both an external www.escritoriolivre.org community, as well as a Brazilian community and list within the Apache project. But these are two different things. We need to avoid confusing users about what is official and what is not. I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here. In some sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by giving more autonomy to the NLC. That was how they "achieved peace" with the community, But we don't have that issue here. At Apache everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project. -Rob > In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. > > Best, > Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi 2012/5/6 Rob Weir : > And same here. An official project account should be linking back to > the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, naturally we will use it. I understand that is necessary to have all efforts more close possible related to AOO, but in many times, we haven't this velocity and this can't be a barrier for new volunteers/promoters, IMO. And i think that this was a good example in OOo, where we had freedom to start our regional group, promoting the product and grew because hadn't a similar space in Oracle. In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. Best, Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
On 2012/05/06 22:14, Rob Weir said: > n Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM, imacat wrote: >>That said, could I setup official OpenOffice account for Taiwan on >> Facebook, Plurk, etc? > Oh, I know nothing about Plurk ;-) Plurk is the most popular micro-blogging service in Taiwan. Actually there are some local social-media services that may be most popular in one country, like Plurk in Taiwan or AmebaNow in Japan, or Weibo/Renren in China. Should we set up an global official account on these services and then a local one? Or should we set up local accounts only? That said, should I set up @apacheoo or @apacheootw on Plurk? >>What is the condition besides linking to www.openoffice.org? Is it >> OK to link to zh.openoffice.org? > That's fine. The important thing is that we are directing the user > back to the project's website. > Would the page be for traditional and simplified Chinese? Or only > traditional? > (I am ignorant of these things. Can the average Chinese reader > understand both scripts?) Well... *theoretically* speaking, pages for Traditional and Simplified Chinese should be separated. We have long, different cultures. It does not look good to post Simplified Chinese content for Taiwan people. I do not know if vice versa. The reason is not for discussion here. But that's only *theoretically*. In *reality* the China government GFW blocks Twitter, Google+, Facebook, Plurk, ...all the social media services. So this question makes no sense. (So, Xia Ziao: Are you going to set up accounts on Weibo or Renren?) > Of course, you will also want to make a specific proposal on this list > and see if anyone objects (lazy consensus). OK. I will propose that. Thank you. ^_*' -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi, Non-English social media accounts have two major tasks: Deliver official news in the communities' languages and deliver news that, although interesting for local communities, may not be of interest for other communities. Simply relaying English content through a non-English channel defeats the purpose, as Imacat said. As for the human resources, what I found in the past is that volunteers are a great source of information, as long as they don't have to maintain the lists or sites themselves. A localized social media e-mail address could be set as a front-end for information gathering that could supply a steady feed of relevant information for the community. Best regards, 2012/5/6 imacat > On 2012/05/06 22:08, Rob Weir said: > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:53 AM, imacat > wrote: > >> On 2012/05/06 18:53, Albino Biasutti Neto said: > >>> 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho > 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : > >>Could I ask how you plan to manage them? I was thinking about the > >> same thing for Taiwan, but I cannot think of where can I get the content > >> for and the human resource to manage these pages. > > How to find content? A few sources I use: > > ... > > Rob, > >Ah ha ha ha. I was asking you the other question. This question I > was asking Albino's experience on non-English social media accounts. ^^; > It does not make sense to forward all the English content to > non-English social media account, but it does hurt our time and effort > to translate them instead. But thanks for your answer anyway. ^_*' > > -- > Best regards, > imacat ^_*' > PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc > > <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ > Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ > > -- Roberto Salomon http://notaslivres.webhop.net
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. @Rob It was not the intent of the site, Claudio and I are discussing on a port official .BR. As we are discussing AOOBr there, decided to put him to finish on the portal. Thanks for the suggestions, I have no idea about. In EL suggested for other networks tone down. Hit the link. ;) @Imacat I'll manage them with content read from the list of ooo-dev, official announcements, and on the blog, the pace of releases and other resources also told by Rob. Best, Albino
Re: Pages in the social media
On 2012/05/06 22:08, Rob Weir said: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:53 AM, imacat wrote: >> On 2012/05/06 18:53, Albino Biasutti Neto said: >>> 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : >>Could I ask how you plan to manage them? I was thinking about the >> same thing for Taiwan, but I cannot think of where can I get the content >> for and the human resource to manage these pages. > How to find content? A few sources I use: > ... Rob, Ah ha ha ha. I was asking you the other question. This question I was asking Albino's experience on non-English social media accounts. ^^; It does not make sense to forward all the English content to non-English social media account, but it does hurt our time and effort to translate them instead. But thanks for your answer anyway. ^_*' -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pages in the social media
n Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM, imacat wrote: > That said, could I setup official OpenOffice account for Taiwan on > Facebook, Plurk, etc? > Oh, I know nothing about Plurk ;-) > What is the condition besides linking to www.openoffice.org? Is it > OK to link to zh.openoffice.org? > That's fine. The important thing is that we are directing the user back to the project's website. Would the page be for traditional and simplified Chinese? Or only traditional? (I am ignorant of these things. Can the average Chinese reader understand both scripts?) Facebook and Google+ have built-in tools for allowing multiple users to co-administer the account. This is good thing, so you can share the effort in managing the account. Twitter has no built-in support for this, so you would need to rely on outside services for this. But I know you are active on Google+, so maybe good to start there? On Google+ they call it a "Google+ Page". If you go here you should see a button for creating a new page: https://plus.google.com/u/0/pages/manage Of course, you will also want to make a specific proposal on this list and see if anyone objects (lazy consensus). -Rob > On 2012/05/06 21:51, Rob Weir said: >> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto >> wrote: >>> 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho >>> hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr >>> Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 >> Similar here, the "website" should be openoffice.org: >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929?sk=info >>> G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 >> And same here. An official project account should be linking back to >> the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. > > -- > Best regards, > imacat ^_*' > PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc > > <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ > Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ >
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:53 AM, imacat wrote: > Hi, > > On 2012/05/06 18:53, Albino Biasutti Neto said: >> 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho >>> 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : >> As no answer came the suggestion, I created the page in the G + AOOBr (and >> more): >> Organize: >> identi.ca e twitter: @apacheoobr >> hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr >> Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 >> G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 > > Could I ask how you plan to manage them? I was thinking about the > same thing for Taiwan, but I cannot think of where can I get the content > for and the human resource to manage these pages. > How to find content? A few sources I use: 1) First there is news from the AOO project itself, new blog posts, new milestones, new accomplishments in the project. 2) Search for new content on the social network itself. So if you have a Twitter account, search Twitter for recent posts that mention "OpenOffice" or "Open Office". 3) Sign up for Google Alerts (http://www.google.com/alerts) to receive daily email updates of new content related to your keywords. 4) Of course, follow the English-language accounts, @ApacheOO. If there is a good post there, translate it and repost it. And if you find a good local story that might be interesting internationally, then translate to English and send to @ApacheOO. As for time and effort needed to manage the pages, an easy simplification is to do just one. Facebook attracts more end-users. Google+ is more technical users. Twitter is a mix, but good mainly for short messages. -Rob > -- > Best regards, > imacat ^_*' > PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc > > <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ > Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ >
Re: Pages in the social media
That said, could I setup official OpenOffice account for Taiwan on Facebook, Plurk, etc? What is the condition besides linking to www.openoffice.org? Is it OK to link to zh.openoffice.org? On 2012/05/06 21:51, Rob Weir said: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto > wrote: >> 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho >> hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr >> Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 > Similar here, the "website" should be openoffice.org: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929?sk=info >> G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 > And same here. An official project account should be linking back to > the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Hi, On 2012/05/06 18:53, Albino Biasutti Neto said: > 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho >> 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : > As no answer came the suggestion, I created the page in the G + AOOBr (and > more): > Organize: > identi.ca e twitter: @apacheoobr > hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr > Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 > G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 Could I ask how you plan to manage them? I was thinking about the same thing for Taiwan, but I cannot think of where can I get the content for and the human resource to manage these pages. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: > Hi. > > 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho > >> Hi >> >> 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : >> > Alessandro, what think edit page G+ for AOOBr ? >> > As we have an official page in G+, but not yet have the Brazil. >> >> Very good, Albino. For brazilian profile is essential this social >> networks. I think that you can do for pt-BR in Twitter and Identi.ca >> too. I can "help" you as admin of them. >> >> @Rob, do you see some problem with this? I trust in Albino, and he >> works with me in our localization. >> >> Best, >> Claudio >> > > As no answer came the suggestion, I created the page in the G + AOOBr (and > more): > > Organize: > > identi.ca e twitter: @apacheoobr > The link is here: http://identi.ca/apacheoobr I'd like us to be consistent in the branding, so one requests: Have the link be to http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ or to http://www.openoffice.org/But it should not be going to http://www.escritoriolivre.org. Part of being an "official" account is that it promotes the project, not a 3rd party. > hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr > > Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 > Similar here, the "website" should be openoffice.org: http://www.facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929?sk=info > G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 > And same here. An official project account should be linking back to the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Thanks! -Rob > Best, > Albino
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho > Hi > > 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : > > Alessandro, what think edit page G+ for AOOBr ? > > As we have an official page in G+, but not yet have the Brazil. > > Very good, Albino. For brazilian profile is essential this social > networks. I think that you can do for pt-BR in Twitter and Identi.ca > too. I can "help" you as admin of them. > > @Rob, do you see some problem with this? I trust in Albino, and he > works with me in our localization. > > Best, > Claudio > As no answer came the suggestion, I created the page in the G + AOOBr (and more): Organize: identi.ca e twitter: @apacheoobr hastag: #aoobr #apacheoobr Fbook: facebook.com/pages/ApacheOOBr/292752464142929 G+: plus.google.com/112706983446689880036 Best, Albino
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. I created account AOOBr social networking: identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoobr Best, Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
ok Claudio, Thanks Luiz Em 01-05-2012 12:31, Claudio Filho escreveu: > 2012/5/1 luizheli : >> I mean that in any case I'm available to help publicize the project >> whether or not a PPMC member. I think Brazil has a great potential and >> can work well with Apache OpenOffice. > Luiz, maybe is a good idea you introduce your self in a new thread. > > Best, > Claudio
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2012/5/1 luizheli : > I mean that in any case I'm available to help publicize the project > whether or not a PPMC member. I think Brazil has a great potential and > can work well with Apache OpenOffice. Luiz, maybe is a good idea you introduce your self in a new thread. Best, Claudio
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Hello, I mean that in any case I'm available to help publicize the project whether or not a PPMC member. I think Brazil has a great potential and can work well with Apache OpenOffice. rgds, Luiz Oliveira Em 01-05-2012 11:55, Albino Biasutti Neto escreveu: > Hi. > > 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho > >> 2012/5/1 Rob Weir : >>> 1) Do we have a ooo-geral-ptbr mailing list set up already? If not, >>> I'd recommend starting with that. Having a strong pt_br presence in >>> the project, to support translation, marketing, communications and >>> user support is critical. That becomes the base that supports a >>> successful social media campaign. >> When i did the request[1], hadn't support from PPCM. I remember that >> you was volunteer as admin. >> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 >> >> > The create list suggestion Claudio. > > >>> 2) If we do have the mailing list set up already, then I'd recommend >>> discussing the social media question there as well. >> Today, our list is here[2], and we coordinate our works there. >> [2] >> http://listas.escritoriolivre.org/listinfo.cgi/geral-escritoriolivre.org > > Yes, we used this list. > > >> >>> 3) If Albino (or any other contributor) is trusted and is actively >>> contributing to the project, then we should ask whether their project >>> role should reflect that level of contribution. In other words, the >>> goal is not to put PPMC responsibilities to non-PPMC members. But the >>> goal is to turn those volunteers who take on additional >>> responsibilities into PPMC members. See the difference? >> Absolutely, Rob, and agree. >> > Me too, Absolutely Rob. > > >>> 4) Personally, I think we want the social media accounts to be >>> accountable/answerable to the PPMC. Having them run by active PPMC >>> members is one way. >> And i will do. I will be this PPMC member with him. >> > Thank you too much. > > I can also contribute social networking aoo and aoobr. > > >> Claudio >> > Best, > Albino >
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Hi. 2012/5/1 Claudio Filho > 2012/5/1 Rob Weir : > > 1) Do we have a ooo-geral-ptbr mailing list set up already? If not, > > I'd recommend starting with that. Having a strong pt_br presence in > > the project, to support translation, marketing, communications and > > user support is critical. That becomes the base that supports a > > successful social media campaign. > > When i did the request[1], hadn't support from PPCM. I remember that > you was volunteer as admin. > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 > > The create list suggestion Claudio. > > 2) If we do have the mailing list set up already, then I'd recommend > > discussing the social media question there as well. > > Today, our list is here[2], and we coordinate our works there. > [2] > http://listas.escritoriolivre.org/listinfo.cgi/geral-escritoriolivre.org Yes, we used this list. > > > > 3) If Albino (or any other contributor) is trusted and is actively > > contributing to the project, then we should ask whether their project > > role should reflect that level of contribution. In other words, the > > goal is not to put PPMC responsibilities to non-PPMC members. But the > > goal is to turn those volunteers who take on additional > > responsibilities into PPMC members. See the difference? > > Absolutely, Rob, and agree. > Me too, Absolutely Rob. > > > 4) Personally, I think we want the social media accounts to be > > accountable/answerable to the PPMC. Having them run by active PPMC > > members is one way. > > And i will do. I will be this PPMC member with him. > Thank you too much. I can also contribute social networking aoo and aoobr. > > Claudio > Best, Albino
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2012/5/1 Rob Weir : > 1) Do we have a ooo-geral-ptbr mailing list set up already? If not, > I'd recommend starting with that. Having a strong pt_br presence in > the project, to support translation, marketing, communications and > user support is critical. That becomes the base that supports a > successful social media campaign. When i did the request[1], hadn't support from PPCM. I remember that you was volunteer as admin. [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 > 2) If we do have the mailing list set up already, then I'd recommend > discussing the social media question there as well. Today, our list is here[2], and we coordinate our works there. [2]http://listas.escritoriolivre.org/listinfo.cgi/geral-escritoriolivre.org > 3) If Albino (or any other contributor) is trusted and is actively > contributing to the project, then we should ask whether their project > role should reflect that level of contribution. In other words, the > goal is not to put PPMC responsibilities to non-PPMC members. But the > goal is to turn those volunteers who take on additional > responsibilities into PPMC members. See the difference? Absolutely, Rob, and agree. > 4) Personally, I think we want the social media accounts to be > accountable/answerable to the PPMC. Having them run by active PPMC > members is one way. And i will do. I will be this PPMC member with him. Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Claudio Filho wrote: > Hi > > 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : >> Alessandro, what think edit page G+ for AOOBr ? >> As we have an official page in G+, but not yet have the Brazil. > > Very good, Albino. For brazilian profile is essential this social > networks. I think that you can do for pt-BR in Twitter and Identi.ca > too. I can "help" you as admin of them. > > @Rob, do you see some problem with this? I trust in Albino, and he > works with me in our localization. > A few things to consider: 1) Do we have a ooo-geral-ptbr mailing list set up already? If not, I'd recommend starting with that. Having a strong pt_br presence in the project, to support translation, marketing, communications and user support is critical. That becomes the base that supports a successful social media campaign. 2) If we do have the mailing list set up already, then I'd recommend discussing the social media question there as well. 3) If Albino (or any other contributor) is trusted and is actively contributing to the project, then we should ask whether their project role should reflect that level of contribution. In other words, the goal is not to put PPMC responsibilities to non-PPMC members. But the goal is to turn those volunteers who take on additional responsibilities into PPMC members. See the difference? 4) Personally, I think we want the social media accounts to be accountable/answerable to the PPMC. Having them run by active PPMC members is one way. There may be other ways. But again back to #3 above. -Rob > Best, > Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi 2012/5/1 Albino Biasutti Neto : > Alessandro, what think edit page G+ for AOOBr ? > As we have an official page in G+, but not yet have the Brazil. Very good, Albino. For brazilian profile is essential this social networks. I think that you can do for pt-BR in Twitter and Identi.ca too. I can "help" you as admin of them. @Rob, do you see some problem with this? I trust in Albino, and he works with me in our localization. Best, Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. 2012/4/29 Albino Biasutti Neto > Hi. > > 2012/4/29 Rob Weir > >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto >> > wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> 2012/4/28 Dave Fisher >> >> >> >>> >> >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher > > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> Thanks Andrea. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on >> my >> >>> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might >> have >> >>> regarding >> >>> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your >> Twitter >> >>> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done >> with the >> >>> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new >> Twitter >> >>> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to >> PPMC >> >>> control. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, >> >>> constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not >> >>> personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice >> channels, >> >>> let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project >> has one >> >>> clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. >> Users are >> >>> already confused enough. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the >> ones >> >>> >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> >>> >>> duplicate efforts. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on >> >>> management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward >> to it. >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about >> >>> > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. >> >>> > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and >> >>> > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those >> >>> > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from >> Alexandro >> >>> > to do that. We still don't. >> >>> >> >>> I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" >> Alexandro to >> >>> do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly >> others >> >>> do as well. >> >>> >> >>> Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. >> >>> >> >>> Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> - World peace - not whirled peas >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > -Rob >> >>> > >> >>> >> Regards, >> >>> >> Dave >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Regards, >> >>> >>> Andrea. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> The social network is to write/speak on annuncius the aoo, continually. >> >> >> >> I can also contribute to the any networks, ok. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Albino @bino28 >> > >> > > >> > Good I will add you to the Google plus page. >> >> > Thanks! > > We have G+ page, this isn't page oficial [1]. > > >> -1 to that. >> >> We're limiting authoring rights to PPMC members. Also, we already >> have a Google+ page. >> >> > I understand aoo political. > > >> Since you've expressed interest in avoiding duplication of effort, >> could you please give some attention to getting the PPMC involved in >> your OpenOffice.org Facebook page. You could actually accomplish >> something there if you tried. >> >> -Rob >> > > identi.ca and twitter = ok > hastag = ok > > g+ = ok > > 1 - http://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 > > fbook = not > > Social networking is important, it also marketing the aoo, all know. > > This discussion has been held on what I read, I *apologize for something. > > Best, > Albino > Alessandro, what think edit page G+ for AOOBr ? As we have an official page in G+, but not yet have the Brazil. Tks, Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. 2012/4/29 Rob Weir > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto > > wrote: > >> Hi. > >> > >> 2012/4/28 Dave Fisher > >> > >>> > >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher > >>> wrote: > >>> >> Thanks Andrea. > >>> >> > >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Rob Weir wrote: > >>> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my > >>> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might > have > >>> regarding > >>> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your > Twitter > >>> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done > with the > >>> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter > >>> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC > >>> control. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, > >>> constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not > >>> personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice > channels, > >>> let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project > has one > >>> clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users > are > >>> already confused enough. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > >>> >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > >>> >>> duplicate efforts. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on > >>> management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward > to it. > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about > >>> > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. > >>> > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and > >>> > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those > >>> > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from > Alexandro > >>> > to do that. We still don't. > >>> > >>> I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" > Alexandro to > >>> do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly > others > >>> do as well. > >>> > >>> Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. > >>> > >>> Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> - World peace - not whirled peas > >>> > >>> > > >>> > -Rob > >>> > > >>> >> Regards, > >>> >> Dave > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Regards, > >>> >>> Andrea. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> > >> The social network is to write/speak on annuncius the aoo, continually. > >> > >> I can also contribute to the any networks, ok. > >> > >> Best, > >> Albino @bino28 > > > > > Good I will add you to the Google plus page. > > Thanks! We have G+ page, this isn't page oficial [1]. > -1 to that. > > We're limiting authoring rights to PPMC members. Also, we already > have a Google+ page. > > I understand aoo political. > Since you've expressed interest in avoiding duplication of effort, > could you please give some attention to getting the PPMC involved in > your OpenOffice.org Facebook page. You could actually accomplish > something there if you tried. > > -Rob > identi.ca and twitter = ok hastag = ok g+ = ok 1 - http://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 fbook = not Social networking is important, it also marketing the aoo, all know. This discussion has been held on what I read, I *apologize for something. Best, Albino
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> 2012/4/28 Dave Fisher >> >>> >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher >>> wrote: >>> >> Thanks Andrea. >>> >> >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Rob Weir wrote: >>> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my >>> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have >>> regarding >>> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter >>> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the >>> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter >>> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC >>> control. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, >>> constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not >>> personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, >>> let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project has one >>> clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are >>> already confused enough. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >>> >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >>> >>> duplicate efforts. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on >>> management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. >>> >> >>> > >>> > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about >>> > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. >>> > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and >>> > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those >>> > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from Alexandro >>> > to do that. We still don't. >>> >>> I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" Alexandro to >>> do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly others >>> do as well. >>> >>> Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. >>> >>> Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> - World peace - not whirled peas >>> >>> > >>> > -Rob >>> > >>> >> Regards, >>> >> Dave >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrea. >>> >> >>> >>> >> The social network is to write/speak on annuncius the aoo, continually. >> >> I can also contribute to the any networks, ok. >> >> Best, >> Albino @bino28 > > Good I will add you to the Google plus page. -1 to that. We're limiting authoring rights to PPMC members. Also, we already have a Google+ page. Since you've expressed interest in avoiding duplication of effort, could you please give some attention to getting the PPMC involved in your OpenOffice.org Facebook page. You could actually accomplish something there if you tried. -Rob
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: > Hi. > > 2012/4/28 Dave Fisher > >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Andrea. >> >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> >> >> >>> Rob Weir wrote: >> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my >> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have >> regarding >> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter >> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the >> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter >> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC >> control. >> >>> >> >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, >> constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not >> personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, >> let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project has one >> clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are >> already confused enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> >> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >> >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> >>> duplicate efforts. >> >> >> >> >> >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on >> management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. >> >> >> > >> > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about >> > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. >> > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and >> > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those >> > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from Alexandro >> > to do that. We still don't. >> >> I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" Alexandro to >> do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly others >> do as well. >> >> Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. >> >> Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> - World peace - not whirled peas >> >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Andrea. >> >> >> >> > The social network is to write/speak on annuncius the aoo, continually. > > I can also contribute to the any networks, ok. > > Best, > Albino @bino28 Good I will add you to the Google plus page.
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi. 2012/4/28 Dave Fisher > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > >> Thanks Andrea. > >> > >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> > >>> Rob Weir wrote: > In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my > part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have > regarding > open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter > account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the > new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter > account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC > control. > >>> > >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, > constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not > personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, > let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project has one > clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are > already confused enough. > >> > >> > >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> > >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > >>> duplicate efforts. > >> > >> > >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on > management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. > >> > > > > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about > > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. > > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and > > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those > > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from Alexandro > > to do that. We still don't. > > I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" Alexandro to > do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly others > do as well. > > Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. > > Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. > > Regards, > Dave > > - World peace - not whirled peas > > > > > -Rob > > > >> Regards, > >> Dave > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Andrea. > >> > > The social network is to write/speak on annuncius the aoo, continually. I can also contribute to the any networks, ok. Best, Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Thanks Andrea. >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> >>> Rob Weir wrote: In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have regarding open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC control. >>> >>> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, constructive >>> outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not personally >>> interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, let alone >>> posting content there: I would just like that the project has one clear >>> official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are >>> already confused enough. >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >>> duplicate efforts. >> >> >> Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on management, >> tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. >> > > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about > Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. > We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and > the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those > pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from Alexandro > to do that. We still don't. I get your point. I have a different point. We may not "need" Alexandro to do anything, but I want him involved, and if I am reading correctly others do as well. Community over code, dude. We "want" to work together. Have a good weekend. I have no desire to discuss this further. Regards, Dave - World peace - not whirled peas > > -Rob > >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea. >>
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> >> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my >> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have >> regarding >> >> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter >> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the >> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter >> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC >> control. > > > This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, constructive > outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not personally > interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, let alone > posting content there: I would just like that the project has one clear > official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are already > confused enough. I agree giving PPMC control eventually, but I think is better to settle the process before sending it to infrastructure. Once infrastructure gets control it would be harder to test these services. I had asked for people to help me test the account but response has not been great, actually I think it has been lost in the discussion at least twice. > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Thanks Andrea. > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Rob Weir wrote: >>> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my >>> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have >>> regarding >>> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter >>> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the >>> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter >>> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC >>> control. >> >> This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, constructive >> outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not personally >> interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, let alone >> posting content there: I would just like that the project has one clear >> official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are already >> confused enough. > > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> duplicate efforts. > > > Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on management, > tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. > I think you miss the point entirely, Dave. This is not about Alexandro. This is not about me. This is about what the PPMC wants. We've already had a discussion on this list about official pages and the decisions from that thread have already been implemented. those pages are under PPMC control. We did not need anything from Alexandro to do that. We still don't. -Rob > Regards, > Dave > > >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >
Re: Pages in the social media
Thanks Andrea. On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my >> part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have >> regarding >> open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter >> account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the >> new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter >> account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC >> control. > > This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, constructive > outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not personally > interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, let alone > posting content there: I would just like that the project has one clear > official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are already > confused enough. On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > duplicate efforts. Agreed. Now if Alexandro and Rob will just work together... on management, tools and strategy. It will be great. I'm looking forward to it. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
Rob Weir wrote: In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my part, I'm happy to listen to any proposal you [Alexandro] might have regarding open PPMC access to the Twitter account. And if you make your Twitter account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC control. This is a very reasonable proposal and it would be a positive, constructive outcome of this long discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not personally interested in managing any of the "social" OpenOffice channels, let alone posting content there: I would just like that the project has one clear official channel on each social media, with shared access. Users are already confused enough. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On 4/28/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > > >> >> I did address some issues that need to be fixed before moving them to >> PPMC control, you have also skip those discussions without an answer. >> These accounts will continue to work, with or without your permission. >> I am not sure what make you think that you can say what is official or >> not more than I do. Many people have shown their concern with >> duplicating efforts as a bad idea and you have simply not address >> that. You rather clone the accounts than work with them. >> > > What makes me think I can say what is the official Google+ page? Easy > answer: I started a thread called "[Proposal] Official Google+ Page > for Apache OpenOffice" and gathered feedback. The PPMC reaction was > favorable. I then added other PPMC members to the account, so it was > not just me controlling the account. We discussed how openly and > transparently how we would use the account. We then branded the > account with the project logo, sent out an announcement started > posting relevant content. > > It is not what I *say* that makes the account official. It is what I > do. Handing over control, working with the PPMC, making proposals, > getting their feedback, these are all things that are part of it. In > the end, it is not *my* account. It is it the PPMC's. That is what > makes the difference. > > I agree duplicating effort is bad. But we are not duplicating effort. > As I pointed out, you've done absolutely nothing with the Google+ > page. There is zero effort there. Nothing done since November. So > we're not duplicating anything. > > If you want to avoid duplicating effort and avoid confusing users, why > don't you agree to direct the followers of your Google+ page to the > active one and to shut yours down? Why won't you do this right now? > I think it is an undebatable point that the new Google+ page is: > > 1) Under PPMC control > 2) Is actively being used > 3) Is integrated with the project's webpage > 4) Is growing rapidly > > It is also undebatable that your page: > > A) Has not been used since last November > B) You have not proposed it as an official project page > C) You have not integrated it into the project's website > D) You have not put it under PPMC control > > So given the above, please tell us why you continue with that page? > Why not direct the users to active page and shut yours down? Is this > just about personal control? If not, then what is your justification? > > -Rob > You keep ignoring the question I asked you many times so far. Why you never provided content to the G+ account in 6 months? -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > I did address some issues that need to be fixed before moving them to > PPMC control, you have also skip those discussions without an answer. > These accounts will continue to work, with or without your permission. > I am not sure what make you think that you can say what is official or > not more than I do. Many people have shown their concern with > duplicating efforts as a bad idea and you have simply not address > that. You rather clone the accounts than work with them. > What makes me think I can say what is the official Google+ page? Easy answer: I started a thread called "[Proposal] Official Google+ Page for Apache OpenOffice" and gathered feedback. The PPMC reaction was favorable. I then added other PPMC members to the account, so it was not just me controlling the account. We discussed how openly and transparently how we would use the account. We then branded the account with the project logo, sent out an announcement started posting relevant content. It is not what I *say* that makes the account official. It is what I do. Handing over control, working with the PPMC, making proposals, getting their feedback, these are all things that are part of it. In the end, it is not *my* account. It is it the PPMC's. That is what makes the difference. I agree duplicating effort is bad. But we are not duplicating effort. As I pointed out, you've done absolutely nothing with the Google+ page. There is zero effort there. Nothing done since November. So we're not duplicating anything. If you want to avoid duplicating effort and avoid confusing users, why don't you agree to direct the followers of your Google+ page to the active one and to shut yours down? Why won't you do this right now? I think it is an undebatable point that the new Google+ page is: 1) Under PPMC control 2) Is actively being used 3) Is integrated with the project's webpage 4) Is growing rapidly It is also undebatable that your page: A) Has not been used since last November B) You have not proposed it as an official project page C) You have not integrated it into the project's website D) You have not put it under PPMC control So given the above, please tell us why you continue with that page? Why not direct the users to active page and shut yours down? Is this just about personal control? If not, then what is your justification? -Rob
Re: Pages in the social media
On 4/28/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir >> wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti > wrote: >> Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if >>> release >>> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good >>> tool >>> to manage more than publish. >> >> >> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press >> releases >> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice >> channels; >> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that >> we can >> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC >> members. >> > > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this > discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been > shared > with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. > They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have > already > gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 > announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from > the > PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation > for > the AOO 3.4 launch. It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to duplicate efforts. >>> >>> Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? >>> What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author >>> support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative >>> tooling. It is already there. >> >> You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been >> public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually >> go through creating new accounts. >> >>> >>> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that >>> account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on >>> Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've >>> made >>> zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You >>> started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made >>> zero >>> offers to share access with the PPMC. >> >> >> When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now >> the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. >> > > If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the > thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that > account, and where they responded. Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those accounts. >>> >>> I'd recommend you read up on the thread "AOOo, social networking >>> sites, cyber-squatting, etc." from last October. You've had 6 months >>> to share these accounts with the PPMC. You've had 6 months to >>> "investigate" how to share these accounts with the PPMC. It took me >>> less than 24 hours to figure it out for the new accounts. Again, >>> those who share openly will see their ventures succeed. Those who >>> hoard will not. >> >> >> There has been lots of content being provided on the twitter account, >> and 6 months ago there was a group service for multiples to manage the >> account. G+ didnt provide such functionality when it came out. So >> there was no mechanism to add new managers. Again, if you knew there >> was a problem, you could easily fix it by sending a notification to >> the account or propose a third party service that solves the issue. >> Clonning the account doesn't really makes a solution. >> > > Since that time, how many AOO project blog posts have you promoted on > the Google+ page? How many times have you mentioned progress in the > AOO 3.4 release? How many times did you mention that the RC was ready > for testing? Where did you mention that the support forums were now > hosted by Apache? Where did you do anything? How many times you sent any content to the google plus page? > > These things should not require that I "send a notification" to you. > This is brain-dead obvious. A social n
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >> to manage more than publish. > > > When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press > releases > will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice > channels; > it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we > can > advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC > members. > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for the AOO 3.4 launch. >>> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >>> duplicate efforts. >>> >> >> Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? >> What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author >> support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative >> tooling. It is already there. > > You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been > public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually > go through creating new accounts. > >> >> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that >> account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on >> Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made >> zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You >> started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero >> offers to share access with the PPMC. > > > When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now > the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. > If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that account, and where they responded. >>> >>> Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those >>> accounts. >>> >> >> I'd recommend you read up on the thread "AOOo, social networking >> sites, cyber-squatting, etc." from last October. You've had 6 months >> to share these accounts with the PPMC. You've had 6 months to >> "investigate" how to share these accounts with the PPMC. It took me >> less than 24 hours to figure it out for the new accounts. Again, >> those who share openly will see their ventures succeed. Those who >> hoard will not. > > > There has been lots of content being provided on the twitter account, > and 6 months ago there was a group service for multiples to manage the > account. G+ didnt provide such functionality when it came out. So > there was no mechanism to add new managers. Again, if you knew there > was a problem, you could easily fix it by sending a notification to > the account or propose a third party service that solves the issue. > Clonning the account doesn't really makes a solution. > Since that time, how many AOO project blog posts have you promoted on the Google+ page? How many times have you mentioned progress in the AOO 3.4 release? How many times did you mention that the RC was ready for testing? Where did you mention that the support forums were now hosted by Apache? Where did you do anything? These things should not require that I "send a notification" to you. This is brain-dead obvious. A social networking site for the project should be talking about the progress of the project. This should not require prodding from the PPMC for it to happen. It should just happen naturally by anyone who is acting in the best interests of the PPMC. Of course, if you are just hoarding then you wil
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti >>> wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release > date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool > to manage more than publish. When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >>> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >>> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >>> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >>> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >>> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >>> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >>> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >>> the AOO 3.4 launch. >> >> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> duplicate efforts. >> > > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? > What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author > support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative > tooling. It is already there. You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually go through creating new accounts. > > To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that > account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on > Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made > zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You > started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero > offers to share access with the PPMC. When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. >>> >>> If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the >>> thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that >>> account, and where they responded. >> >> Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those >> accounts. >> > > I'd recommend you read up on the thread "AOOo, social networking > sites, cyber-squatting, etc." from last October. You've had 6 months > to share these accounts with the PPMC. You've had 6 months to > "investigate" how to share these accounts with the PPMC. It took me > less than 24 hours to figure it out for the new accounts. Again, > those who share openly will see their ventures succeed. Those who > hoard will not. There has been lots of content being provided on the twitter account, and 6 months ago there was a group service for multiples to manage the account. G+ didnt provide such functionality when it came out. So there was no mechanism to add new managers. Again, if you knew there was a problem, you could easily fix it by sending a notification to the account or propose a third party service that solves the issue. Clonning the account doesn't really makes a solution. > > -Rob > > >>> -Rob >>> > > As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who > share will see their DNA survive. > > -Rob > >>> >>> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >>> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >>> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >>> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >>> >>> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >>> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >>> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >>> group, talk to Raphael. >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti >> wrote: >>> Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool to manage more than publish. >>> >>> >>> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press >>> releases >>> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice >>> channels; >>> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we >>> can >>> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >> >> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >> the AOO 3.4 launch. > > It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > duplicate efforts. > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative tooling. It is already there. >>> >>> You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been >>> public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually >>> go through creating new accounts. >>> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero offers to share access with the PPMC. >>> >>> >>> When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now >>> the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. >>> >> >> If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the >> thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that >> account, and where they responded. > > Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those accounts. > I'd recommend you read up on the thread "AOOo, social networking sites, cyber-squatting, etc." from last October. You've had 6 months to share these accounts with the PPMC. You've had 6 months to "investigate" how to share these accounts with the PPMC. It took me less than 24 hours to figure it out for the new accounts. Again, those who share openly will see their ventures succeed. Those who hoard will not. -Rob >> -Rob >> As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who share will see their DNA survive. -Rob >> >> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >> >> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >> group, talk to Raphael. >> >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to >>> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark >>> policy), >>> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti >> wrote: >>> Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool to manage more than publish. >>> >>> >>> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press >>> releases >>> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice >>> channels; >>> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we >>> can >>> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >> >> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >> the AOO 3.4 launch. > > It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > duplicate efforts. > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative tooling. It is already there. >>> >>> You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been >>> public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually >>> go through creating new accounts. >>> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero offers to share access with the PPMC. >>> >>> >>> When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now >>> the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. >>> >> >> If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the >> thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that >> account, and where they responded. > > Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those accounts. AFAIK you knew about the page, you knew about the problem and not once you asked for management status to add content to the account or even recomend content to be published on the page. > >> >> -Rob >> As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who share will see their DNA survive. -Rob >> >> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >> >> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >> group, talk to Raphael. >> >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to >>> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark >>> policy), >>> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti > wrote: >> Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >>> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >>> to manage more than publish. >> >> >> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press >> releases >> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice >> channels; >> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can >> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >> > > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this > discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared > with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. > They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already > gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 > announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the > PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for > the AOO 3.4 launch. It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to duplicate efforts. >>> >>> Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? >>> What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author >>> support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative >>> tooling. It is already there. >> >> You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been >> public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually >> go through creating new accounts. >> >>> >>> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that >>> account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on >>> Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made >>> zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You >>> started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero >>> offers to share access with the PPMC. >> >> >> When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now >> the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. >> > > If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the > thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that > account, and where they responded. Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those accounts. > > -Rob > >>> >>> As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who >>> share will see their DNA survive. >>> >>> -Rob >>> > > This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who > hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the > process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives > succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. > > If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a > co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I > will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook > group, talk to Raphael. > >> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to >> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), >> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". >> >> Regards, >> Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >> to manage more than publish. > > > When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases > will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; > it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can > advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for the AOO 3.4 launch. >>> >>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >>> duplicate efforts. >>> >> >> Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? >> What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author >> support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative >> tooling. It is already there. > > You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been > public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually > go through creating new accounts. > >> >> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that >> account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on >> Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made >> zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You >> started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero >> offers to share access with the PPMC. > > > When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now > the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. > If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen. Please show me the thread where you asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that account, and where they responded. -Rob >> >> As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who >> share will see their DNA survive. >> >> -Rob >> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook group, talk to Raphael. > At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to > open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), > but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti >>> wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release > date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool > to manage more than publish. When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >>> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >>> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >>> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >>> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >>> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >>> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >>> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >>> the AOO 3.4 launch. >> >> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> duplicate efforts. >> > > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? > What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author > support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative > tooling. It is already there. This is a double question, you can say that I have never done anything, or ask why you or anyone else did anything to post new content. Manage an account and manage the project content are two different things. Some of these content was automated, like publishing new templates and plugins, but since the Apache re-infrastructure and the drop of services, these content automation was lost. Hence my point on looking for tools to replace that functionality. Creating new accounts is NOT solving the problem but adding confusion to the user. You are free to propose new tools that can replace the previous one. > > To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that > account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on > Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made > zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You > started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero > offers to share access with the PPMC. > > As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who > share will see their DNA survive. > > -Rob > >>> >>> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >>> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >>> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >>> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >>> >>> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >>> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >>> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >>> group, talk to Raphael. >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti >>> wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release > date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool > to manage more than publish. When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >>> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >>> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >>> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >>> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >>> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >>> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >>> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >>> the AOO 3.4 launch. >> >> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones >> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to >> duplicate efforts. >> > > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? > What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author > support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative > tooling. It is already there. You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually go through creating new accounts. > > To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that > account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on > Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made > zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You > started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero > offers to share access with the PPMC. When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time. > > As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who > share will see their DNA survive. > > -Rob > >>> >>> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >>> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >>> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >>> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >>> >>> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >>> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >>> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >>> group, talk to Raphael. >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool to manage more than publish. >>> >>> >>> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases >>> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; >>> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can >>> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >>> >> >> But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this >> discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared >> with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. >> They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already >> gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 >> announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the >> PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for >> the AOO 3.4 launch. > > It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones > that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to > duplicate efforts. > Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November? What is your excuse there? Google+ has integrated multi-author support. You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative tooling. It is already there. To me it looks like you are merely hoarding. You signed up for that account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on Google+. But then you did nothing with it but sit on it. You've made zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts. You started zero threads on how best to use the account. You've made zero offers to share access with the PPMC. As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache. Those who share will see their DNA survive. -Rob >> >> This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who >> hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the >> process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives >> succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. >> >> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a >> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I >> will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook >> group, talk to Raphael. >> >>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to >>> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), >>> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >>> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >>> to manage more than publish. >> >> >> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases >> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; >> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can >> advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. >> > > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this > discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared > with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. > They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already > gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 > announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the > PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for > the AOO 3.4 launch. It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the ones that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense to duplicate efforts. > > This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who > hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the > process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives > succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. > > If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a > co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I > will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook > group, talk to Raphael. > >> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to >> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), >> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". >> >> Regards, >> Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >> to manage more than publish. > > > When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases > will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; > it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can > advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. These official accounts have existed for 3 or 4 years now. The accounts are are already with many different PPMC members, the issue was the tool that was used for this went out of business. There is a secondary service but is limited. > > At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to > open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), > but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release >> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool >> to manage more than publish. > > > When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases > will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; > it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can > advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. > But the official ones are already set up. We've already had this discussion. The accounts are set up and they have already been shared with the PPMC . We already have several PPMC co-authors on them. They are already linked to on the website. Announcements have already gone out to ooo-announce. They are already in the AOO 3.4 announcement draft. Content is going out on these channels, from the PPMC, on a daily basis. This is all already done, in preparation for the AOO 3.4 launch. This isn't about personal control. This is about sharing. Those who hoard will be passed by and left behind. Those who work through the process and openly share and enable others with see their initiatives succeed. It is that simple. You cannot control by withholding. If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added as a co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me know and I will add you immediately. If you want to be an author on the Facebook group, talk to Raphael. > At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to > open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), > but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool to manage more than publish. When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that the press releases will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache OpenOffice channels; it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is obvious that we can advertise only channels that are under control of several PPMC members. At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will still be welcome to open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the trademark policy), but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial". Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> I repeat my offer: I'd be happy to add you to as a co-editor to the >>> project's official Twitter and Google+ accounts. Forward me your info >>> and I'll do it immediately. >> >> I'll repeat my offer, you can participate on the accounts as soon as >> we discuss a strategy and middleware to manage. > > > It's clear that the channels registered by Alexandro have better impact and > better history, and that duplication of efforts would be useless. But time > is running out quickly and decisions will have to be taken in the next few > days; actually the other Twitter account has already been advertised at > large... > > If really tools are the only problem, then we are probably still in time for > Alexandro to open access to the channels he registered so that 5-10 people > from the PPMC can manage those channels and duplication is avoided. > Otherwise we will have wasted time in internal discussions once again. The twitter account specifically always had publishing rights by third party as I mentioneed in the previous email under the ping.fm. Only issue IS that this might not be suficcient, AND there is no strategy. I am not sure what you mean by time is running out. Even if release date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy and a good tool to manage more than publish. > > Regards, > Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I repeat my offer: I'd be happy to add you to as a co-editor to the project's official Twitter and Google+ accounts. Forward me your info and I'll do it immediately. I'll repeat my offer, you can participate on the accounts as soon as we discuss a strategy and middleware to manage. It's clear that the channels registered by Alexandro have better impact and better history, and that duplication of efforts would be useless. But time is running out quickly and decisions will have to be taken in the next few days; actually the other Twitter account has already been advertised at large... If really tools are the only problem, then we are probably still in time for Alexandro to open access to the channels he registered so that 5-10 people from the PPMC can manage those channels and duplication is avoided. Otherwise we will have wasted time in internal discussions once again. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto >> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> For organize pages in the social medias: >>> >>> identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoo >> >> Also @openofficeorg >> >>> >>> Google Plus: plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 >> >> https://plus.google.com/110957008676542606262 >> > > Those are your personal accounts, Alexandro, and not what the project > has been using. No they are not. > > I repeat my offer: I'd be happy to add you to as a co-editor to the > project's official Twitter and Google+ accounts. Forward me your info > and I'll do it immediately. I'll repeat my offer, you can participate on the accounts as soon as we discuss a strategy and middleware to manage. > > -Rob > >>> >>> What pages in Facebook ? All. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/153010651492897?ref=ts >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apache-OpenOffice/209053572542795 >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/252334251512786 >> >> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOpenOffice >> >>> >>> Group in fbook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ >>> >>> Best, >>> Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> For organize pages in the social medias: >> >> identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoo > > Also @openofficeorg > >> >> Google Plus: plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 > > https://plus.google.com/110957008676542606262 > Those are your personal accounts, Alexandro, and not what the project has been using. I repeat my offer: I'd be happy to add you to as a co-editor to the project's official Twitter and Google+ accounts. Forward me your info and I'll do it immediately. -Rob >> >> What pages in Facebook ? All. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/153010651492897?ref=ts >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apache-OpenOffice/209053572542795 >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/252334251512786 > > https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOpenOffice > >> >> Group in fbook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ >> >> Best, >> Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: > Hi. > > For organize pages in the social medias: > > identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoo Also @openofficeorg > > Google Plus: plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 https://plus.google.com/110957008676542606262 > > What pages in Facebook ? All. > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/153010651492897?ref=ts > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apache-OpenOffice/209053572542795 > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/252334251512786 https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOpenOffice > > Group in fbook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ > > Best, > Albino @bino28
Re: Pages in the social media
Tks. :) Send by Android. Mensagem enviada via Android. Albino @bino28 Em 27/04/2012 16:42, "Rob Weir" escreveu: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto > wrote: > > Hi. > > > > For organize pages in the social medias: > > > > The master list is here: > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/social.html > > > identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoo > > > > Yes. > > > Google Plus: plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 > > > > Yes. > > > What pages in Facebook ? All. > > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/153010651492897?ref=ts > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apache-OpenOffice/209053572542795 > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/252334251512786 > > > > None of these are run by the project, as far as I know. > > > Group in fbook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ > > > > This is the one that Raphael has set up. It is a FB group, not a > page. I don't understand the difference well. > > > Best, > > Albino @bino28 >
Re: Pages in the social media
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: > Hi. > > For organize pages in the social medias: > The master list is here: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/social.html > identi.ca and twitter: @apacheoo > Yes. > Google Plus: plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668 > Yes. > What pages in Facebook ? All. > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/153010651492897?ref=ts > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apache-OpenOffice/209053572542795 > https://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenOfficeorg/252334251512786 > None of these are run by the project, as far as I know. > Group in fbook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ > This is the one that Raphael has set up. It is a FB group, not a page. I don't understand the difference well. > Best, > Albino @bino28
