RE: Anyone using HockeyApp?

[Stephen Price]

Didn't know about the auto deloy to store option. Will look into that!

I imagine you would want to be careful and not piss off the store provider from 
excessive app submissions/builds.

Have you blogged about that Nick? Sorry not checked, my blog reading has 
dropped to zero lately... so many things to learn, so little time

From: Nick Randolph
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone using HockeyApp?
To: ozDotNet

We're using HockeyApp in anger Well a lot less anger now but initially it 
caused no end of frustration within the team as we started to do daily builds 
on each app we're working on and having to upload them. Imagine this on a 
couple of concurrent Xamarin.Forms project where we need to upload all the apps 
at the end of the day - massive headache as the network came to a halt. We 
quickly invested more time into integration HockeyApp into our automated builds 
in VSTS (we use macincloud for our iOS builds). Now at the click of a button we 
build and deploy to hockeyapp.



Just as a side note: VSTS now has the ability to release builds to each of the 
app stores (Apple, Google and Microsoft). We now automate not only our builds 
for testing via HockeyApp, we also have automated process for deploying out UAT 
builds via the respective stores (TestFlight for Apple etc). This took a bit to 
get setup, but we now have this as a standard process that we do for every 
project we work on as it is a massive time saver.



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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016 9:30 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone using HockeyApp?



Pardon me, I have one more public question on this ... In VS2015-3 I used 
HockeyApp > Distribute > and I sign in fill in the wizard steps and it all 
looks great, but at the end when I click Finish the dialog closes and nothing 
happens. I look around, but nothing has happened. What did that wizard do?



In the HockeyApp web pages I attempted to create a new app and it prompts me to 
drag-drop the zip file into the page. I do this, but my whopping 65MB file (re 
my comments last week) looks like it will take about 2 hours to upload.



Hmmm, off to a bad start.



 -- GK



On 25 July 2016 at 18:34, Stephen Price 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:

Hmm. I just started working with HockeyApp for my own project. I didn't see 
anywhere any restrictions so am not even sure what plan I am on. Seems really 
nice!



I've now successfully deployed to Android and iOS devices. the iOS was a big 
headache until I worked out I had to add the device UDID to the provisioning 
profile, THEN build it, THEN deploy that IAP for the new device.

Shame it doesn't work like the Android where you just invite the user via email 
and then bam, they can install the app.

The UDID identifier is in the docs, but I hadn't read them at all until I got 
the cryptic "Unable to Download" error it was giving me.



Ping me if you get stuck, it wasn't real obvious but everything else just 
worked. Better than TestFlight (which I only looked at as an option) mainly 
because I think that only does your iOS devices (and the app has to go through 
some review process to be available to the external users).



I'm wondering what the deployment to Windows Phone users process is (does 
HockeyApp support em? Doesn't seem to).

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on behalf 
of Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com<mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2016 2:51:53 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Anyone using HockeyApp?



Folks, I just became aware of HockeyApp<https://www.hockeyapp.net/features/> 
and I can authenticate into it using my MSDN credentials. It tells me I'm on 
the default free plan where I can create 2 apps. From a quick eye over the KB 
articles it looks quite impressive and helpful, but I'll probably need a 
$30/month account. My subscriptions are starting to mount up and become a small 
financial burden (MSDN, Office 365, Apple Dev account, Cloud storage, email 
forwarding, etc) so before I commit to HockeyApp and burn more dosh I must ask 
if anyone here is using it in anger and getting good value?



GK

Re: [OT] Windows 10 anniversary upgrade

[Stephen Price]

Someone didn't read the terms and conditions...

A license to use software is not ownership. Sure you may have paid for the 
hardware but all of the software and firmware has licenses. Dont like that then 
I think you're only real option is to go 100% open source at the OS level. Then 
if you don't like something you can change it yourself. Or you could write your 
own OS.

Get Outlook for Android



On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:46 AM +0800, "Greg Keogh" 
> wrote:

Yesterday morning I rushed to my PC to watch a live stream of a music 
competition. Twenty minutes later I get to sign in because the anniversary 
upgrade arrived without warning. Now I find the signin screen, the elevation 
prompt, and file open dialogs have changed appearance and behaviour, tray icons 
I removed have returned, the "useless" metro apps I removed have returned, I'm 
getting Alert popups that I suppressed, the desktop colour has changed, and 
Explorer tree icons that I carefully removed with registry edits have returned.

Who's managing my PC? Who owns it?

Greg

Re: Anyone using HockeyApp?

[Stephen Price]

Hmm. I just started working with HockeyApp for my own project. I didn't see 
anywhere any restrictions so am not even sure what plan I am on. Seems really 
nice!


I've now successfully deployed to Android and iOS devices. the iOS was a big 
headache until I worked out I had to add the device UDID to the provisioning 
profile, THEN build it, THEN deploy that IAP for the new device.

Shame it doesn't work like the Android where you just invite the user via email 
and then bam, they can install the app.

The UDID identifier is in the docs, but I hadn't read them at all until I got 
the cryptic "Unable to Download" error it was giving me.


Ping me if you get stuck, it wasn't real obvious but everything else just 
worked. Better than TestFlight (which I only looked at as an option) mainly 
because I think that only does your iOS devices (and the app has to go through 
some review process to be available to the external users).


I'm wondering what the deployment to Windows Phone users process is (does 
HockeyApp support em? Doesn't seem to).


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2016 2:51:53 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Anyone using HockeyApp?

Folks, I just became aware of HockeyApp 
and I can authenticate into it using my MSDN credentials. It tells me I'm on 
the default free plan where I can create 2 apps. From a quick eye over the KB 
articles it looks quite impressive and helpful, but I'll probably need a 
$30/month account. My subscriptions are starting to mount up and become a small 
financial burden (MSDN, Office 365, Apple Dev account, Cloud storage, email 
forwarding, etc) so before I commit to HockeyApp and burn more dosh I must ask 
if anyone here is using it in anger and getting good value?

GK

Re: Headphones Review [OT]

[Stephen Price]

Actually, its more a case of the things I DON'T want to listen to that's more 
important to me.


I have a thing called Misophonia. I only learned it was a "thing" a year ago 
and it actually has a name. Basically anyone making eating noises makes me want 
to be violent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia

Misophonia - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia>
en.wikipedia.org
Misophonia, literally "hatred of sound," is a putative disorder of uncertain 
classification in which negative emotions, thoughts, and physical reactions are 
triggered ...

So yeah, as soon as someone starts crunching on an apple, or some crackers or 
celery etc I pop on the noise cancelling headphones and crank up the music. 
It's saved lives.

You would be surprised how often people eat noisily. You probably don't notice 
it, but I do. That feeling when someone drags fingernails down a blackboard and 
it sets your nerves on edge? That's how it feels only 10 times worse.


So yeah, $500 is a small price to pay. The batteries also are awesome. I charge 
them every two or three days depending how much I use them. Sound great and 
better bass than my old pair.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf 
of DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 5:15:41 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Headphones Review [OT]

You must be listening to some super special stuff for that price buddy

On Thursday, 7 July 2016, Stephen Price 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:

Hey all,


I recall some time ago there were people raving about their Bose QuietComfort 
25's. I have some before they refreshed the model (didn't see the point of 
upgrading, as it was just a cosmetic upgrade on an already awesome set of 
headphones).


I've been using Sennheiser bluetooth headphones (with an extra battery so I can 
swap and always have a full battery).

Not cheap (about $450) and they broke in the middle of the headband but they 
replaced them under warranty (after 18 months!).


Well, today I picked up my new set of Bose QuietComfort 35s (wireless!! what 
I've been waiting for 2+ years for).

Impressed so far. 20 hours battery life according to the box (40hrs if using a 
cable), plus an app that shows your current battery. Lets you have multiple 
pairings, which you can switch with a flick of switch. (not tried that yet).

I think the noise cancelling is better than the Sennheiser (as was my wired 
version). Not that the Sennheiser was bad at all, but Bose seems slightly 
quieter. The Bose also seems to have stronger Bass. So I'm really happy.

It might not be as good for down time, if it goes flat as the battery is not 
removable... but may be able to charge while using em? or use cable and then 
charge when not listening to music.


Just wanted to share in case someone wanted a set. Also not cheap $500 at JB 
HiFi, but damn, worth every cent (so far!)


cheers

Stephen

Re: Training/Mentoring a developer who doesn't seem to use many modern development productivity tools

[Stephen Price]

Not really much to add, but I do acknowledge you for taking an interest in your 
teams skill development. Its a rare trait.
Sure you have a self interest in productivity, nothing wrong with that.

Unfortunately theres a saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make 
it drink.  Keep encouraging and you will get there eventually. There might be 
blocks like "just a job" developers or in the deep end junior devs etc.
I have found code reviews are great for passing knowledge. Explaining what your 
code does is never a waste of time (i always spot things i can fix up or 
improve while explaining something)
Invite them to user group meetings.

End of the day you might just have a junior developer who is going to take 
years to get to where you imagine she should be. Remember thats your 
expectation not hers.

So much for not much to add. Lol
Good luck



On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:48 AM +0800, "Preet Sangha" 
> wrote:

Guys I wonder if I can ask for some advice please.

I'm currently leading a project with a developer who originally came from a 
Delphi background but has been using visual studio (C++ and C#) for a few years 
now. However I'm finding that she doesn't seem to have much experience of many 
of the productivity features available in modern tools like visual studio, or 
the OS or office for instance.


By these I mean even simple things like autoformating, intellisense (well 
some), keystrokes to comment/uncomment, snippets, or  refactoring for instance. 
I even had to teach her to do auto build on starting execution (PF5 etc), or to 
use the keyboard to save or build. Things like resharper are a pipe dream it 
seems. I felt as though I was doing magic incantations when I started writing 
some unit tests... Nearly everything she does is sort of 'most manual way 
possible" it sometimes seems.

Now generally I'm happy to let other do it their way but I find that her 
productivity is very low and I'm thinking part of it might be this factor. I 
know we all have different styles, and I'm far from dictating other use my 
style however I do feel that a modern developer should be aware of the 
capabilities of their development environments.  If her productivity was OK I 
wouldn't care how she used whatever tool.

What I'd like to do is encourage her to do some directed training that would 
help her productivity and thus personal development. I've tried putting 
together some Pluralsight (it's paid for by our employers so it's always there) 
playlists for her, but I get the "I did some of the training, and then stopped 
to get some work done". I've been more than happy for her to actually do the 
courses lowering the workload for this reason.

I'd really like her to get the best out of her tools and not be hamstrung. Can 
anyone with experience of this kind of thing tell how how perhaps I could 
approach this in a more positive way please?

Preet.

Headphones Review [OT]

[Stephen Price]

Hey all,


I recall some time ago there were people raving about their Bose QuietComfort 
25's. I have some before they refreshed the model (didn't see the point of 
upgrading, as it was just a cosmetic upgrade on an already awesome set of 
headphones).


I've been using Sennheiser bluetooth headphones (with an extra battery so I can 
swap and always have a full battery).

Not cheap (about $450) and they broke in the middle of the headband but they 
replaced them under warranty (after 18 months!).


Well, today I picked up my new set of Bose QuietComfort 35s (wireless!! what 
I've been waiting for 2+ years for).

Impressed so far. 20 hours battery life according to the box (40hrs if using a 
cable), plus an app that shows your current battery. Lets you have multiple 
pairings, which you can switch with a flick of switch. (not tried that yet).

I think the noise cancelling is better than the Sennheiser (as was my wired 
version). Not that the Sennheiser was bad at all, but Bose seems slightly 
quieter. The Bose also seems to have stronger Bass. So I'm really happy.

It might not be as good for down time, if it goes flat as the battery is not 
removable... but may be able to charge while using em? or use cable and then 
charge when not listening to music.


Just wanted to share in case someone wanted a set. Also not cheap $500 at JB 
HiFi, but damn, worth every cent (so far!)


cheers

Stephen

Re: [OT] Looking for work

[Stephen Price]

You could call the app "Tender".

Sounds all kinds of wrong, I know.

Get Outlook for iOS




On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:56 PM +0800, "Scott Barnes" 
> wrote:

There should be a Tinder / Grinder app for CV's... but instead of looks its 
blind resumes... then you as an employer have to ask a puzzle or specific 
question (you only get like 3)  the answer then gets handed in but you the 
employer need to match it to one of the pool of CV's you've "kept"...if you 
then lock it on the right target they get the job..

It's pretty much the same odds :) hehehe



---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Tony Wright 
> wrote:
I agree with you. There are all sorts of biases that come into play at 
interviews that often have very little to do with getting the right person to 
match the job and whether they can even do the job.

There are interviewers that want someone "like them" that might, perhaps, 
expect your braindump of technical knowledge to match theirs, there's primacy 
bias (comparing every candidate to the first one interviewed), recency bias 
(comparing everyone to the last person interviewed), there's the halo affect 
(one positive answer overshadows all negative answers), the horns affect (one 
negative answer overshadows all positive answers), and there's unconscious 
discrimination.

So there are definitely good people that get passed over during the interview 
process. Unfortunately, if you don't actually know the person or know of the 
person, there's really no other way. Mistakes in the interviewing process are 
often made, even when the person answers all the questions correctly they can 
still be a disaster. And these mistakes can just as easily be made by 
professional recruiters, who often suffer the same biases as everyone else.

The problem is really when you get someone that isn't a match. It is disastrous 
because it is a huge waste of time and money spent finding out the person isn't 
a fit. It is also disastrous because you will now need to find someone else to 
fill that position. And finally, it disastrous to the person themselves because 
they could have missed opportunities where they could have excelled in 
something else where they would have been a better match. So you don't really 
want to hire a person that thinks they're an "expert" that aren't really 
expert. It can make or break a project, and when it's your money on the line...




On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
I'm still stumbling my way through a psychology degree (hah weak attempt at an 
appeal to authority lol) but I'm more and more convinced that "technical 
interviews" are a form of projection less about means testing a persons' 
potential / abilities. Some folks just have extremely poor working memory while 
others have excellent ones but on the whole the ability for them to regurgitate 
the exact location of where logic lies within the .NET framework is really 
moot. Hell, I think i could probably put the .NET program managers themselves 
into the same process and i'd wonder if they would come out unscathed and more 
over what purpose does it really serve?

If someone can memorise the entirety of ASP.NET MVC but fails 
to apply the same logic in say Mono Subset then do they really know .NET or do 
they just know a subset of .NET. What if they could provide coverage on 
everything .NET up and until LINQ or Entity Framework? is that still .NET pass 
or fail? In that they've effectively illustrated they can grasp or comprehend 
the primitives required to progress with .NET but in the end have poor recall 
abilities?

In my interview process what I typically look for the most is appetite for 
puzzles. You're an engineer, you're not meant to walk in with answers you're 
supposed to walk in with enough foundation pieces to find answers, trick with 
interviews is to then test the foundation... its why stupid questions like "Why 
are manhole covers round" are legendary... its an open question that has only 
one true answer (because Ninja Turtles need to get in / out of them) but lends 
itself to creative / critical thinking.

Technical are fine but if they are more targeted at foundation level points 
...ie "inside pseudo code, write the usage of a pointer being passed in out of 
two separate layers and then same thing but a copy instead" - who cares if the 
person writes this in python, you now have an indicator marked out on their 
ability to understand how memory works which in turn is really what you want to 
know at the end of the day.

When people lie in their CV"s they are an "expert" don't be quick to punish, as 
what you're likely seeing unfolding is someone who's got the confidence and 
ambition to fight for that title - so in a way, use that, feed that behaviour 

Re: [OT] Looking for work

[Stephen Price]

Forgot about that one...


I also thought to myself (after I replied) "hmmm... note how I went for the 
puzzle... damn, did he just bait me?"


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf 
of DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2016 2:21:20 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work

4) So you can roll them and race cars down a hill

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Stephen Price 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:

The reason man hole covers are round are:

1) the hole is round and

2) its impossible for a round cover to fall into a round hole. no matter which 
way you turn it, it can't fall down the hole. A square cover can fall down if 
you angle the shortest edge between the diagonals.

3) and because turtles.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on behalf 
of Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2016 1:39:00 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work

I'm still stumbling my way through a psychology degree (hah weak attempt at an 
appeal to authority lol) but I'm more and more convinced that "technical 
interviews" are a form of projection less about means testing a persons' 
potential / abilities. Some folks just have extremely poor working memory while 
others have excellent ones but on the whole the ability for them to regurgitate 
the exact location of where logic lies within the .NET framework is really 
moot. Hell, I think i could probably put the .NET program managers themselves 
into the same process and i'd wonder if they would come out unscathed and more 
over what purpose does it really serve?

If someone can memorise the entirety of ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> MVC but fails 
to apply the same logic in say Mono Subset then do they really know .NET or do 
they just know a subset of .NET. What if they could provide coverage on 
everything .NET up and until LINQ or Entity Framework? is that still .NET pass 
or fail? In that they've effectively illustrated they can grasp or comprehend 
the primitives required to progress with .NET but in the end have poor recall 
abilities?

In my interview process what I typically look for the most is appetite for 
puzzles. You're an engineer, you're not meant to walk in with answers you're 
supposed to walk in with enough foundation pieces to find answers, trick with 
interviews is to then test the foundation... its why stupid questions like "Why 
are manhole covers round" are legendary... its an open question that has only 
one true answer (because Ninja Turtles need to get in / out of them) but lends 
itself to creative / critical thinking.

Technical are fine but if they are more targeted at foundation level points 
...ie "inside pseudo code, write the usage of a pointer being passed in out of 
two separate layers and then same thing but a copy instead" - who cares if the 
person writes this in python, you now have an indicator marked out on their 
ability to understand how memory works which in turn is really what you want to 
know at the end of the day.

When people lie in their CV"s they are an "expert" don't be quick to punish, as 
what you're likely seeing unfolding is someone who's got the confidence and 
ambition to fight for that title - so in a way, use that, feed that behaviour 
and you'll likely come away with a seasoned warrior. If after 1 - 3 months they 
are an empty vessel, well you still can say "Sorry, the tribe has spoken, 
thanks for coming". Only a fool would assume that a new hire is productive in 
the 1-3 month timelines anyway, as thats just not how it actually unfolds 
(regardless of skill level).

my 25c.


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Bec C 
<bec.usern...@gmail.com<mailto:bec.usern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's what recruitment agencies typically ask for on a CV. I know how hard it 
can be when recruiters look for an "angular expert" but the only angular 
experience you have is some online videos. Hard to compete. Many devs lie on 
the CV actually to get the job, sometimes it works.


On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, Tony Wright 
<tonyw...@gmail.com<mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would find it a dubious stat, and certainly wouldn't rely on it.

It only indicates your perception of where you are and may have no basis in 
reality.

Best leave it out and wait for those employers that think it means something to 
request it from you.

Better employers will be able to gauge where you are from your history and 
clever questioning.

T.

On 7 Jun 2016 3:49 PM, "Tom P" <tompbi...@gmail

Re: [OT] Looking for work

[Stephen Price]

The reason man hole covers are round are:

1) the hole is round and

2) its impossible for a round cover to fall into a round hole. no matter which 
way you turn it, it can't fall down the hole. A square cover can fall down if 
you angle the shortest edge between the diagonals.

3) and because turtles.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Scott Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2016 1:39:00 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work

I'm still stumbling my way through a psychology degree (hah weak attempt at an 
appeal to authority lol) but I'm more and more convinced that "technical 
interviews" are a form of projection less about means testing a persons' 
potential / abilities. Some folks just have extremely poor working memory while 
others have excellent ones but on the whole the ability for them to regurgitate 
the exact location of where logic lies within the .NET framework is really 
moot. Hell, I think i could probably put the .NET program managers themselves 
into the same process and i'd wonder if they would come out unscathed and more 
over what purpose does it really serve?

If someone can memorise the entirety of ASP.NET MVC but fails 
to apply the same logic in say Mono Subset then do they really know .NET or do 
they just know a subset of .NET. What if they could provide coverage on 
everything .NET up and until LINQ or Entity Framework? is that still .NET pass 
or fail? In that they've effectively illustrated they can grasp or comprehend 
the primitives required to progress with .NET but in the end have poor recall 
abilities?

In my interview process what I typically look for the most is appetite for 
puzzles. You're an engineer, you're not meant to walk in with answers you're 
supposed to walk in with enough foundation pieces to find answers, trick with 
interviews is to then test the foundation... its why stupid questions like "Why 
are manhole covers round" are legendary... its an open question that has only 
one true answer (because Ninja Turtles need to get in / out of them) but lends 
itself to creative / critical thinking.

Technical are fine but if they are more targeted at foundation level points 
...ie "inside pseudo code, write the usage of a pointer being passed in out of 
two separate layers and then same thing but a copy instead" - who cares if the 
person writes this in python, you now have an indicator marked out on their 
ability to understand how memory works which in turn is really what you want to 
know at the end of the day.

When people lie in their CV"s they are an "expert" don't be quick to punish, as 
what you're likely seeing unfolding is someone who's got the confidence and 
ambition to fight for that title - so in a way, use that, feed that behaviour 
and you'll likely come away with a seasoned warrior. If after 1 - 3 months they 
are an empty vessel, well you still can say "Sorry, the tribe has spoken, 
thanks for coming". Only a fool would assume that a new hire is productive in 
the 1-3 month timelines anyway, as thats just not how it actually unfolds 
(regardless of skill level).

my 25c.


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Bec C 
> wrote:
That's what recruitment agencies typically ask for on a CV. I know how hard it 
can be when recruiters look for an "angular expert" but the only angular 
experience you have is some online videos. Hard to compete. Many devs lie on 
the CV actually to get the job, sometimes it works.


On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, Tony Wright 
> wrote:

I would find it a dubious stat, and certainly wouldn't rely on it.

It only indicates your perception of where you are and may have no basis in 
reality.

Best leave it out and wait for those employers that think it means something to 
request it from you.

Better employers will be able to gauge where you are from your history and 
clever questioning.

T.

On 7 Jun 2016 3:49 PM, "Tom P"  wrote:
What do the seniors here look for on a CV? I've been told by a few people I 
should be giving myself a score out of 10 for competency in a particular 
language/technology but I find it quite hard to do that and have it actually 
mean anything.

Thanks
Tom

On 7 June 2016 at 10:22, Greg Keogh  wrote:
I had a tough time down there too. Everywhere seemed to want an AngularJS 
"expert" when I was looking.

Oh hell! I'll never work again -- GK

Re: [OT] Looking for work

[Stephen Price]

Makes me think of pancakes. ...


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf 
of Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:32:13 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work


If you can do everything, you are now a full stack developer. That tells people 
you can do more than build a Web page.

On 7 Jun 2016 11:26 AM, "Stephen Price" 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:

I've actually wondered about this myself. The roles I go for are the .Net 
roles. Generally speaking, my role is ".Net Developer" due to the C# .Net being 
the main skill required, but its rarely all you do. Javascript is a big 
component these days, and as it's been pointed out, so many client side 
technologies to choose from (most not Microsoft).

So will there come a day where we no longer call ourselves .Net developers? 
There has always been a gap between web developers and .Net developers both in 
skill set and rates of pay. I suspect web developers (technology wise) have 
caught up or are catching up. (in both areas?)

A simple static website is one thing, but an actual web application requires a 
lot of skill. No difference to the backend stuff.

I've also struggled with MVC being the right fit for web applications now. I'm 
working on my own project on the side and what started as MVC is now pretty 
much a SPA hosted in the MVC framework. If I was to start it over now, I'd make 
it an Angular 2 front end with WebAPI (because I know C#) for the backend. Will 
that change down the track? Perhaps the backend could end up something non .Net 
like node or something. Suddenly I'm no longer a Microsoft developer... so what 
do I call myself?


cheers

Stephen


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on behalf 
of Michael Ridland <rid...@gmail.com<mailto:rid...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:15:42 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work


I find it strange that there wouldn't be many jobs with MVC, there must be a 
large amount of codebases still using MVC?

Thanks


Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP

XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists

www.xam-consulting.com<http://www.xam-consulting.com/>

Blog: www.michaelridland.com<http://www.michaelridland.com>


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Tom P 
<tompbi...@gmail.com<mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Server side code like MVC are my strengths but it seems nobody cares for that 
any more. I'm stuck in 2011 it seems.

On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, Greg Low (??) 
<g...@greglow.com<mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:
Hey Tom,

Best to give us a clue on what you think your core strengths are. Then anyone 
that knows of something can let you know.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410<tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile? 
+61 3 8676 4913<tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 10:17 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work

No interviews in three months. I'll look into an Angular cert perhaps then.

Thanks
Tom

On 7 June 2016 at 10:15, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a tough time down there too. Everywhere seemed to want an AngularJS 
"expert" when I was looking. Are you getting interviews or not even reaching 
that stage?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I've really had a tough time finding work in Melbourne. Getting very desperate 
now. If anyone knows of a junior-intermediate role please send through.

Thanks
Tom




--
Thanks
Tom

Re: [OT] Looking for work

[Stephen Price]

I've actually wondered about this myself. The roles I go for are the .Net 
roles. Generally speaking, my role is ".Net Developer" due to the C# .Net being 
the main skill required, but its rarely all you do. Javascript is a big 
component these days, and as it's been pointed out, so many client side 
technologies to choose from (most not Microsoft).

So will there come a day where we no longer call ourselves .Net developers? 
There has always been a gap between web developers and .Net developers both in 
skill set and rates of pay. I suspect web developers (technology wise) have 
caught up or are catching up. (in both areas?)

A simple static website is one thing, but an actual web application requires a 
lot of skill. No difference to the backend stuff.

I've also struggled with MVC being the right fit for web applications now. I'm 
working on my own project on the side and what started as MVC is now pretty 
much a SPA hosted in the MVC framework. If I was to start it over now, I'd make 
it an Angular 2 front end with WebAPI (because I know C#) for the backend. Will 
that change down the track? Perhaps the backend could end up something non .Net 
like node or something. Suddenly I'm no longer a Microsoft developer... so what 
do I call myself?


cheers

Stephen


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Michael Ridland 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:15:42 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work


I find it strange that there wouldn't be many jobs with MVC, there must be a 
large amount of codebases still using MVC?

Thanks


Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP

XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists

www.xam-consulting.com

Blog: www.michaelridland.com


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Tom P 
> wrote:
Server side code like MVC are my strengths but it seems nobody cares for that 
any more. I'm stuck in 2011 it seems.

On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, Greg Low (??) 
> wrote:
Hey Tom,

Best to give us a clue on what you think your core strengths are. Then anyone 
that knows of something can let you know.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile? 
+61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 10:17 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work

No interviews in three months. I'll look into an Angular cert perhaps then.

Thanks
Tom

On 7 June 2016 at 10:15, Bec C  wrote:
I had a tough time down there too. Everywhere seemed to want an AngularJS 
"expert" when I was looking. Are you getting interviews or not even reaching 
that stage?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Tom P  wrote:
Hi folks,

I've really had a tough time finding work in Melbourne. Getting very desperate 
now. If anyone knows of a junior-intermediate role please send through.

Thanks
Tom




--
Thanks
Tom

Re: Universal library tests

[Stephen Price]

I think when I was playing in this area last, I didn't go with that UI test 
project. I went with a normal Test project and treat it (the Class under test) 
like a normal assembly. Was a while ago though so may be mis-remembering.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 6:38:59 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Fwd: Universal library tests

Don't worry, I asked my cat. He said add a Universal Test project anyway (the 
one with the dummy UI). This also adds a skeleton class which references some 
obscure extension SDK libraries for unit testing, so you get the familiar 
[TestXXX] attributes to put on test classes and methods.

However, it's not all hugs and puppies ... once you set the project to build 
and deploy, it opens a Universal app window which says "Tests Running", but 
there is no output anywhere from my WriteLines and it just sits there with clue 
about how to make it do anything. So I suppose I'm using it wrong and will have 
to study documentation for another hour to figure out how to make "Hello world" 
display somewhere.

GK

Re: Gadgets [OT]

[Stephen Price]

I'm going to say yes. That counts.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf 
of David Burstin <david.burs...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 9:45 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Gadgets [OT]

Does a Dyson vacuum cleaner count? :)

On 29 April 2016 at 10:15, Stephen Price 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:

Hi, my name is Stephen and i'm a gadget-oholic. It's been 12 hours since i 
bought my last gadget.

Got me a minix neo 8 from jbhifi (last one in stock)

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/accessories/minix/minix-neo-x8-h-plus-4k-quad-core-media-hub-for-android/648244/

Seems like a very cool device and the build feels very nice. Even came bundled 
with an air mouse controller which has a keyboard on the back.

Anyone else got some new gadget they woukd like to share?

Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://aka.ms/blhgte>

Gadgets [OT]

[Stephen Price]

Hi, my name is Stephen and i'm a gadget-oholic. It's been 12 hours since i 
bought my last gadget.

Got me a minix neo 8 from jbhifi (last one in stock)

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/accessories/minix/minix-neo-x8-h-plus-4k-quad-core-media-hub-for-android/648244/

Seems like a very cool device and the build feels very nice. Even came bundled 
with an air mouse controller which has a keyboard on the back.

Anyone else got some new gadget they woukd like to share?

Sent from Outlook Mobile

RE: Coffee snobs

[Stephen Price]

I baulk at the price of these machines, as coffee drinking is a fairly new 
thing for me. 5 years or so.
But recently, one of the guys on my last project was a very snobby coffee 
drinker ( he even drinks his coffees without disturbing the coffee art foam! 
lol )
This lead me to a new appreciation for coffee, so I have been pondering getting 
myself a more manual machine than my Nespresso. The pods are annoying me, on a 
environment level and a gimmick / "must buy from us" level.

Not yet taken the plunger on deciding what to get though. Might ask my coffee 
snob friend what he thinks but I suspect I would been a new mortgage. Hehe

Coffee is on topic here, right?

Sent from Outlook on iOS




On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:06 PM -0700, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" 
> wrote:

Yep, the DeLonghi has been “ok”. I think it was about $2.7k at the time.

I’m not necessarily after a sub 2k machine. Happy to pay for one that’s worth 
having.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:56 AM
To: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) ; ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality ??

The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too ??


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Coffee snobs


Hi Folks,



Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.



Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?



I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:



BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html



The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

Do you have each website on its own machine or something?

I'm using web apps (not vms) for all my websites. $200 per month is plenty. I 
have four websites, each with database (and dev slots with their own database) 
as well as blob storage and some other stuff like AD. Granted they are not 
super high volume or big data but it's plenty.
You can use the cost calculator page to see where your biggest costs are (shown 
under history tab I think), it can be easy to add something and forget about it.

Sent from Outlook on iOS




On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:46 PM -0700, "Greg Keogh" 
> wrote:


I wonder how many people are now using Amazon or Azure as an option vs buying 
best in the breed local computing power.

In my spare time I'm attempting to replace the server that been sitting under 
my desk for 17 years (not the same one!) with cloud services. I've got 5 of my 
static web sites up in Azure at the moment and the last one will go up when I'm 
sure I can install the SSL certificate okay. A handful of simple SOAP and REST 
web services are also mapped as virtual directories and running in these static 
Azure sites.

GOOD: The performance is fabulous! Web sites don't have to "wake up" any more 
and everything responds and downloads in a blink. It's not taking up my 
broadband allowance. It's not burning my electricity.

BAD: I have to FTP up the files and deploy the apps. The Azure burn rate hints 
that without an MSDN free quota I would be paying about $700/year (WHAT! These 
sites and apps are mostly idle, so it's an appalling cost increase compared to 
running my own server box).

The last hurdles are replacing my old Mercury mail server with something 
upstairs, and where to put the 350 gigwatts of mp3 files.

GK

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

I was actually starting to think this myself.

I have a vm on my Azure (mainly so we can browse the Internet as they have a 
barbaric white listed proxy, but have a port open to azure) and I have it with 
ssd's and 7gb or ram. Worked out the automation so it shuts down during non 
working hours. Gives me a gruntier machine and extends the credit.
Can even RDP to it from my iPad Pro and the MS RDP app is actually really good. 
Can toggle from touch mode to mouse. Starting to think  local hardware is less 
needed. Stuff like mobile dev where you need your phone plugged into the 
computer might not be as easy. But am liking the remote vm. Still leaning 
towards local hardware overall though. For now.

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/kr63o9> on iOS




On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:52 PM -0700, "Tejas Goradia" 
<byteb...@gmail.com<mailto:byteb...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Just wondering, is it worth spending so much money on local computing?

I wonder how many people are now using Amazon or Azure as an option vs buying 
best in the breed local computing power.

Is 8gb, i5 environment not enough?

On 29/10/2015 9:22 AM, "Tom Rutter" 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Geez had a look and it gets expensive real quick

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
I've ordered mine. If the 1Tb version was available (no date on that has been 
released yet) I would have gotten that one. Shut up and take my money!
Have disclosed said pre-order to my significant other, and I've successfully 
trained her to react with a simple eye roll. I'll likely "pay" for it later. :)

It's a great feeling to not have to drool over Apple hardware and be 
embarrassed about being in the Microsoft camp.
It would have been nice for the Surface Book to have come with Usb-C port(s) 
but given I don't actually yet have any devices, and how long it takes for 
devices to spring up, I can live with USB 3.0 for a while more.

Exciting times!

On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 at 08:49 
<osjasonrobe...@gmail.com<mailto:osjasonrobe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah - looks pretty nice, 512GB / i7/ 16GB for $4,199 AUD

Compared to similar spec Lenovo ThinkPad W541 (no touch/pen/etc) $3,649.00 AUD 
(though I think the Lenovo is 5th Gen i7 not 6th Gen as in Surface Book?)

Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts

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From: DotNet Dude<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎7‎ ‎October‎ ‎2015 ‎5‎:‎18‎ ‎PM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>

In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface Book 
will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive though

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced oct 6 
so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there


On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new stores 
in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the same online 
I guess, once the store opens.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased 
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <eddie.deb...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT 
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when Microsoft 
first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all the correct 
tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..

Here is a link to their US store: 
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop 
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs available 
in Australia…

Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?


From: ozd

Re: NUnit 3 runners

[Stephen Price]

It's been some years since I used nunit, but it did have a stand alone tool for 
running tests. I resharper to run my tests. You can also use the built in 
visual studio test runner. I think there is some setup to get it to run your 
nunit tests, but it's not hard and should be documented on nunit site.

Sorry not much help

Sent from Outlook on iOS




On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:21 PM -0700, "Greg Keogh" 
> wrote:

Howdy, anyone coding today? I just wrote some NUnit tests for a Universal 
library, which forces you to add a recent 3.2.0 package. Now I can't find 
anything that will actually run the tests. I can't find the 
"console" some people mention, 
or it doesn't work as I expect. I installed the NUnit Test 
Adapter
 in VS2015 expecting it to add some runner windows or menus or whatever, but I 
can't find zilch.

So how on earth does anyone here run NUnit v3+ tests?

Greg K

Re: [OT] Windows.old folder

[Stephen Price]

lol 20 gigawatts. Hate to see your power bill. []



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Monday, 7 March 2016 6:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows.old folder

Ian, I installed my Win10 onto a fresh SSD, so I suspect that the old folder 
was the result of the big update that someone mentioned. I stupidly forgot to 
look at the timestamp of the old folder and files before I deleted them, or I 
might have been able to link them to that weird Monday morning reboot. I 
haven't seen any $Windows or ~WS files around. Anyway, I'm glad I got rid of 
the 120,000 files and 20 gigwatts of space, as my C: drive SSD is a smallish 
one.

GK

On 6 March 2016 at 21:57, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
Greg, when the 15-11-2015 Windows 10 update (which is sometimes likened to a .1 
update)occurred, all update records that you can see when back to zero so to 
speak. But it doesn't create a Windows.old (or mine haven't) - that is typical 
of an upgrade that can back off" to the previous installed version of Windows.
Do you also have a folder $Windows.~WS  with something in it? That is a part / 
a remnant of a qualifying prior Windows version, having downloaded the stuff 
necessary for the initial Windows 10 install.
Maybe the friend who did your initial hardware assembly and Windows 
installation had a prior booting Windows on the current boot drive?

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 7:10 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: [OT] Windows.old folder

Folks, probably a Friday topic, but FYI ... I was doing some Sunday evening 
backups and cleanups and I noticed a Windows.old folder taking about 20GB with 
~12 files in it! Now the weird thing is that I have no clear idea when or 
where this came from. I didn't run or accept any major upgrades, and my Win10 
C: drive was installed fresh a few weeks ago.

You may recall two Monday mornings ago I booted and received a weird (and 
scary) windows update style message about "your files are still where you left 
them" and all my customisations had been reversed. Someone in here suggested 
that I had been upgraded to Windows 10.1, which is possible, but I find no 
record in the update history. I can only guess that I did receive a gigantic OS 
upgrade without warning, creating the Windows.old folder. This does worry me, 
as I like to have control over major decisions like this, and I certainly did 
in older versions of Windows. Even iOS is more polite and helpful about 
performing vast upgrades.

You have to login as local Administrator, take ownership of the folder and 
propagate full control all the way down before you can delete it.

GK

RE: [OT] Windows 10 calculator

[Stephen Price]

Hehe, sure I’ll just Google his number…

Amazing how long this thread has gotten over a calculator. Inconceivable!

Sent from Outlook Mail for 
Windows 10 phone

From: David Connors
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 11:25 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 10 calculator

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 at 13:16 Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
> wrote:
But the current calculator works, and I don’t have to be connected to the 
internet, or let google know what I’m calculating.. (I’d hate for them to know 
that I want to add two numbers together..)
Can someone call Eddie and let him know that Greg K has hacked his account?

David.
--
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] Windows 10 calculator

[Stephen Price]

Seriously though, I don't mind it at all. It adds numbers. I'm happy.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 10:39 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Windows 10 calculator


Ok, so besides the look and feel, am I the only person here that finds all the 
features in the new calculator useful? I mean, it's a calculator, and I 
normally just use the number pad for entry (where possible).. It's light 
weight, and has is easy to use.



Take a look at the "Programmer mode", and click on the binary mode (second 
button in the middle).. Then you can just click bits on and off..



Or conversions the conversion it supports..



I guess all I'm saying is that it works, and has some handy features for a free 
calculator that's included out of the box.



Ed.





From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 1:22 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' 
Subject: RE: [OT] Windows 10 calculator



GK, not everyone has Mathematica (I used it years ago, different life) but the 
old Windows 7 calculator has some good features (apart from its familiarity) 
and someone has "ported" it to Windows 10 
(here - download; referenced 
here in discussion / 
alternatives to the windows 10 calculator) - I haven't tried that though.



Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 12:56 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 10 calculator



Ah yes, a quick search shows a lot of angry discussion about Win10 calc. I just 
stumbled upon this new look by pure accident when I put the net use HRESULT 
code into it half an hour ago. I suppose the new calc feels nice on a tablet, 
but I wouldn't know as my screen just gets grease stains when I touch it. I'd 
never heard of Microsoft Mathematics before and I see there's an "old calc" for 
download, but I actually have Mathematica installed, so if I want to calculate 
a definite integral or get the square root of 2 to a million decimal places 
it's a better choice! -- GK



On 29 February 2016 at 12:36, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:

Greg, you're not the first by a long shot to hate the Windows 10 calculator.

Though it has right-click to copy or paste, it's annoyed me for 6 months so 
like others I have replaced it for my use.

One suggestion 
(here)
 is a request for Microsoft to replace it with Microsoft Mathematics - there 
are nice images at that "Microsoft social" discussion page (also hate these 
acknowledgements to social media - "like", "trending", "social" - ugh. )



Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Re: Azure File Storage

[Stephen Price]

You may need to add an endpoint to open that port. Is it classic vm or new one 
on the new portal?



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 8:13 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Azure File Storage

I'm googletarded, but I did find this way down a page:

Are Azure File shares visible publicly over the Internet, or are they only 
reachable from Azure?

As long as port 445 (TCP Outbound) is open and your client supports the SMB 3.0 
protocol (e.g., Windows 8 or Windows Server 2012), your file share is available 
via the Internet.


Sounds great! However, my net use command gives error 53 from my home Win10 
machine with no firewall active, and I get error 5 (access denied) from a 
Win2008R2 Azure VM that I just created. Snookered from both directions! The 
CloudBerry product is interesting, but I want to avoid foreign software 
whenever possible.


GK

On 29 February 2016 at 11:05, David Burstin 
> wrote:
Hi Greg,

A quick search seems to indicate that 
http://www.cloudberrylab.com/windows-azure-cloud-drive-desktop-software.aspx 
can deal with this, for $30 per machine. I haven't found anything else that 
does, but your Google-fu may be better than mine.

Cheers
Dave

On 29 February 2016 at 10:53, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
Folks, I just read about Azure File Storage and I got all excited at the 
possibility of creating a familiar mapped drive letter to the cloud. In the 
portal I created the File share, uploaded some files and issued a net use 
command which failed with error 53. It turns out I didn't read the fine print 
in my excitement, which says:

To connect to this file share, run this command from any Windows virtual 
machine on the same subscription and location

So you can't just mount it from your home PC, only from a suitable VM. I 
suppose there are security and performance issues, but it's a damn shame as we 
could really have put this to good use as a kind of "giant file share" for apps 
written in C++ with no code changes.

I just want to be sure that this is all true and there's not some less 
restrictive way of using Azure File Storage. Is there some other magic way of 
having a file share in the cloud from anywhere?

Greg K

RE: [OT] Philips (Benq) 4K monitor

[Stephen Price]

Just buy it.

This is mine.
Being able to use 4k at 100% scaling has to be experienced to comprehend.

I even game on it (in 4k) so make sure you have a nice graphics card. I have 
NVidia gtx 980 which can drive 4 screens (2 of which are 4k)

Resized photo attached...

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ian Thomas
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 12:18 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: [OT] Philips (Benq) 4K monitor

This may be of interest -
I was referred to this 4K monitor, 40"- 4K at 60Hz for $999.00 - I haven't seen 
it in action but my referral is usually reliable.
http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10=143=7=239024

It has remarkably good connectivity.
branded as Philips, made by BenQ - Philips has good warranty services here I'm 
told
Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

RE: [OT] Internal Developer Training

[Stephen Price]

I highly recommend doing code reviews. Not only does it improve the quality of 
your code base, but its a two way learning avenue. The person reviewing the 
author’s code gets to understand what the code is doing. The Author thinks 
through their own reasoning while trying to accurately explain what the code 
does to the reviewer. Bugs can be found by both parties and its just brilliant. 
Doesn’t happen enough, in my experience.

Print the code out on paper, go into a quiet room with GREEN pens. 
Psychological effect of RED pens makes you feel like you are being marked wrong 
in school. This is important that any feedback is expressed as a contribution, 
with a view to improve the quality of the code, not make someone wrong or 
invalid.

Your other suggestions are good, but I think there is magic to be found in code 
reviews. Take turns, mix it around to make sure everyone has a go in both 
roles, and don’t always pair up with the same person.

Good luck!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Walker
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2016 10:00 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Internal Developer Training

Hi all,

I've recently taken over a new team which has a wide variety of technical skill 
from complete beginner to senior developer. Talking to the team I've found that 
especially their C# skillsets are limited and can be greatly improved. So far 
we've organised for everyone to have a pluralsight account and encouragement is 
given to spend work time watching videos however it feels a little bit 
disconnected. I'd really like to have a more formal ongoing set of training but 
as it stands I have no experience implementing this.

There is limited budget so can't just send everyone off on a training course 
and not really looking for an overnight fix but more of a program that improves 
different skills over time to a certain level.

My thoughts for now were to mix between:
* Book club - everyone reads a chapter of 'Clean code' and we gather weekly to 
discuss it
* Pluralsight club - same but with a pluralsight video
* One on one peer programming where the more senior members help the less 
experienced
* Demo sessions/lectures by more experienced developers from outside the team

Has anyone else ever tried to take on something like this? If so how did you go 
about it and what advice can you give about this?

Cheers,
Dave

[OT] Office 365 Azure AD sync

[Stephen Price]

Hey all,

I've recently switched from Google to Office 365, with user accounts on the 
Azure AD side of things.

I then thought I should set up the Azure AD connect thing which syncs the local 
AD accounts up to Azure AD but I discovered does not currently sync accounts 
back down to the local AD.

Kind of an OH CRAP moment when I realised the email accounts I've set up that 
are now functioning in the cloud quite nicely thank you very much are pretty 
much useless for authenticating with the local resources.

It would have been a nice touch. It was there in the preview (forget the name 
now, something like UserSyncback?) and hopefully it is coming soon. Anyone else 
hit this and have a work around? I could change all of the email accounts over 
to the local accounts that have been synced up to Azure but then I have the 
issue of having to move/migrate all of the mail between accounts.

Not sure how trivial that is, I might be able to migrate from cloud account to 
local account (the cloud copy) and then remove all of the cloud accounts and 
switch the email address over.

Other than that small issue, have been happy with it. The users however 
struggle with change. /me facepalm. Always the users.


thanks!

Stephen

Re: [OT] Office 365 Azure AD sync

[Stephen Price]

Just set it up, and made sure I was going with the new one. ADConnect.


I have a Synology NAS which has some file shares, and have a local AD server 
(which also has a share for an application). NAS is set up to sync with the 
local AD for user accounts, but doesn't look like it supports Azure AD yet.


Not had a look at ADFS yet, have been out of the Infrastructure a while now. So 
I could grant the AAD users access to the local AD? Would get around the need 
to sync those users into the local AD if that's doable.

thanks!

Stephen



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf 
of Greg Low (??) <g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 12:05 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365 Azure AD sync

First question is if you still need local AD. With vpns and AD services on AAD, 
many don't now. If you do, ADFS allows for two way traversal.

Are you currently using ADConnect or the older Dirsync ?

Regards

Greg

Dr Greg Low
SQL Down Under
+61 419201410
1300SQLSQL (1300775775)

On 2 Dec 2015, at 12:59 PM, Stephen Price 
<step...@lythixdesigns.com<mailto:step...@lythixdesigns.com>> wrote:


Hey all,

I've recently switched from Google to Office 365, with user accounts on the 
Azure AD side of things.

I then thought I should set up the Azure AD connect thing which syncs the local 
AD accounts up to Azure AD but I discovered does not currently sync accounts 
back down to the local AD.

Kind of an OH CRAP moment when I realised the email accounts I've set up that 
are now functioning in the cloud quite nicely thank you very much are pretty 
much useless for authenticating with the local resources.

It would have been a nice touch. It was there in the preview (forget the name 
now, something like UserSyncback?) and hopefully it is coming soon. Anyone else 
hit this and have a work around? I could change all of the email accounts over 
to the local accounts that have been synced up to Azure but then I have the 
issue of having to move/migrate all of the mail between accounts.

Not sure how trivial that is, I might be able to migrate from cloud account to 
local account (the cloud copy) and then remove all of the cloud accounts and 
switch the email address over.

Other than that small issue, have been happy with it. The users however 
struggle with change. /me facepalm. Always the users.


thanks!

Stephen

Re: [OT] Quiet PCs from quietpc.com.au

[Stephen Price]

I like the 2011v3 as you can get more ram in them that the alternative 
chipsets. Max 64gb instead of 32gb

For quiet pc's I usually go for Intel nuc but they are not a full size mb.

Sent from Outlook




On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 10:17 PM -0800, "David Burstin" 
> wrote:

Also, my order was from QuitePC.com (in England), not 
QuietPC.com.au, although they are the same company.

On 30 November 2015 at 17:13, David Burstin 
> wrote:
I ordered some fans and other bits from them back in 2011.

They were pretty good, have some hard-to-find parts and obviously a commitment 
to creating quiet pcs, but I haven't found them to be as "pure" as they used to 
be, but hey, they have got to make money (they used to be almost religious 
about quiet components).

I checked my emails, etc, and my experience with them was good enough to 
recommend them.

HTH

Dave


On 30 November 2015 at 17:03, 
> wrote:
Hi, anyone order from these folks before? Looking for a silent/near-silent PC 
and these look pretty good (quad core i7, etc): http://quietpc.com.au/sys-x490

Cheers

Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts

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Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
>> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
>> though
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced
>>> oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
 stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
 same online I guess, once the store opens.







 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet 
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
 purchased locally



 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
 eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

 The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc)
 BUT stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
 Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
 the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..



 Here is a link to their US store:
 http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
 *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet 
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
 eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

 This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
 stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
 available in Australia…



 Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
 manufacturer?





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
 *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet 
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 On 27 August 2015 at 19:28,  wrote:

 What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR
 things happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?



 Are you talking about Superfish?




 http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/



 Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have
 had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
 competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...



 --

 Thomas Koster







 --

 Meski

  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


 "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills



>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

I thought I did when I said "yep"

My bad :)

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Nov 2015, at 12:30 PM, Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA) <
andrew.coa...@microsoft.com> wrote:

You could have said **that** when I asked you about it today in front of
2000+ people J



Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1
Epping Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 •
http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
*Sent:* Tuesday, 17 November 2015 9:45 AM
*To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
*Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?



On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface Book
will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive though



On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced
oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there



On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:

Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
same online I guess, once the store opens.







*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
*Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
*To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
*Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased
locally



On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..



Here is a link to their US store:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.microsoftstore.com%2fstore%2fmsusa%2fen_US%2fcat%2fcategoryID.69916600=01%7c01%7cACOAT%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c536a667a1bb14f7db36908d2eee00a2c%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=4laOC6mO%2fxvUrZjkRvwjfgkYVbW4tMFOrHDtPZFpivw%3d>





*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
*Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
*To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
*Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
available in Australia…



Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?





*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
<ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
*Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
*To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
*Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, <osjasonrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:

What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things
happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?



Are you talking about Superfish?



http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2farstechnica.com%2fsecurity%2f2015%2f02%2flenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections%2f=01%7c01%7cACOAT%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c536a667a1bb14f7db36908d2eee00a2c%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=a3A9nW0NPzPV9hTPyLRsYE8xH2GElTXoqX2Sz7bMF60%3d>



Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have had
to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...



--

Thomas Koster







-- 

Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcourteous.ly%2faAOZcv=01%7c01%7cACOAT%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c536a667a1bb14f7db36908d2eee00a2c%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=WGKEGwCKW89lcCXD9sYCwxGvlpbklFKC03P%2biSllQvg%3d>


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] SSL testing

[Stephen Price]

Maybe that rating site is a hacker site and anyone who has run the script
is now compromised?
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 at 5:31 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I ran this powershell on a win 2012 r2 machine and went from C to A with a
>> reboot
>>
>> https://www.hass.de/content/setup-your-iis-ssl-perfect-forward-secrecy-and-tls-12
>>
>
> Likewise, my domain went from F to an A with this script. Now I can sleep.
> It's a worry how many admins probably don't know about this rating system
> or the test procedure.
>
> I see that to get an A+ I'd have to install a handler, which is too much
> fragile work for little return. My domain is only for software testing
> anyway -- *GK*
>

Re: [OT] SSL testing

[Stephen Price]

I guess there are some advantages to running on Azure websites. I ran that
ssllabs.com test against a client website that I wrote a year or so ago and
got an A. No actions taken on my part (apart from setting up the Azure
website to use the certificate).
Nice to test it and know though. Thanks for the url.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 at 13:20 Grant Maw  wrote:

> For those interested, I've run that script on my Windows 2008 R2 box, it
> worked without a hitch and took me from an F to a C. I then manually added
> TLS 1.2, rebooted and now I am at a B. A few more bits to do and we'll get
> an A.
>
> [image: Inline images 1]
>
> On 4 November 2015 at 12:45, Paul Glavich 
> wrote:
>
>> I have run that script on our staging and production servers. Works well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take a registry backup prior. Run it. If issues, then restore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -  Glav
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 November 2015 12:00 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] SSL testing
>>
>>
>>
>> *"An F grade is unacceptably bad, definitely something he needs to get
>> sorted. Hold the web developer / company accountable for that."*
>>
>>
>>
>> I could barely sleep last night knowing that I'd flunked with an F. The
>> trouble is, I don't know who to blame (I am the *developer* and the
>> *company*!!). My web server is a pretty vanilla Win2008R2 install and I
>> got the cert from Comodo 6 months ago. I sort of expected that regular
>> Windows Updates would be fixing this sort of thing, or perhaps I'd get some
>> sort of security alert somehow. Why are out-of-the-box servers falling
>> behind best security practises?
>>
>>
>>
>> I want my server to get an A, but the script I mentioned before worries
>> me and I'd prefer some specific and trustworthy instructions from somewhere
>> like TechNet, a KB or MSDN to tell me exactly what to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Office 365

[Stephen Price]

So if they are push Sharepoint Online, does that mean there was a
Sharepoint Offline?
Or is this another example of where Online means "In the cloud" versus self
hosted. No need to answer, being facetious.

Native implementations is only going to mean more jobs for developers,
right?

On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 at 10:55 Grant Maw <grant@gmail.com> wrote:

> I with Ken on this - if the bell is starting to toll for Sharepoint, what
> alternatives are being used?
>
> I've never liked Sharepoint, it always seemed to me to be an ugly,
> bloated, cumbersome thing to use, so I for one won't weep if it's nearing
> the end of its life, but there must be some alternative that is filling the
> void, shouldn't there?
>
> On 3 November 2015 at 09:58, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) <g...@greglow.com> wrote:
>
>> There really is quite a shift going on.
>>
>>
>>
>> For years, every time we asked for enhancements to the portals in SQL
>> Server Reporting Services, etc. the response was that “we already have a
>> portal business and it’s called SharePoint”. Now all the SQL Server
>> directions are away from SharePoint, back to native implementations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even most of my SharePoint friends are mostly pushing SharePoint Online
>> now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 November 2015 10:30 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Office 365
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course. But the “who uses SharePoint?” question kinda implies that
>> SharePoint’s been superseded in all areas that it does (document storage,
>> workflow, calendaring, collaboration etc.). So, I’m not asking for a ERP
>> system, or a CRM or something that people might have shoe-horned into
>> SharePoint before. But just looking at SharePoint’s core functionality
>> (document lists, Office integration, AD integration etc.), is there
>> anything that people are flocking to now that is, arguably, superior to the
>> way SharePoint works (whether it be scalability, ease of use,
>> extensibility, 3rd party add-in support, whatever)
>>
>>
>>
>> I realise this is a bit vague, but I’ve only just started on this, so I
>> haven’t yet compiled a list of requirements yet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael Ridland
>> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 2:25 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Office 365
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't this all depend on your requirements?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> *Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP*
>>
>> XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists
>>
>> www.xam-consulting.com
>>
>> Blog: www.michaelridland.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Serious question – I have to look at this at work right now. We have
>> SharePoint, but if there’s alternatives out there that people recommend
>> (for a corporate environment), then I’d be keen to look into them
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *DotNet Dude
>> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 12:57 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Office 365
>>
>>
>>
>> Damn I've been busted u... lotus notes
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What alternatives would you recommend?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *DotNet Dude
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 1 November 2015 7:04 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Office 365
>>
>>
>>
>> People still use sharepoint? Lol
>>
>> On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com

Re: SSL Certs

[Stephen Price]

Personally, I'd pick the domain name you want people to use and get SSL for
that. Then the other domain name is just to catch people who went to that
one instead and route all your traffic to the main one.
If you have just two domain names then I can understand the questionmark
over how to use both. If you imagine adding a bunch more domain names (you
might have some alternate names to help catch more traffic) and route them
all to the main domain then it makes more sense. If you had 10 domain names
you wouldn't want an SSL for every one of them. Redirect is the way to go,
IMHO.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 at 04:37 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Yes I wondered about that one - just seemed over the top. Initial page
> doesn't need SSL so might look at DNS redirect from .com.au to .com.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under
> +61 419201410
> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>
> On 3 Nov 2015, at 6:58 AM, Paul Glavich 
> wrote:
>
> Actually, maybe this would suit you better
> https://www.digicert.com/unified-communications-ssl-tls.htm
>
>
>
> -  Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 9:08 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* RE: SSL Certs
>
>
>
> I suppose a more basic question is:
>
>
>
> What’s the cleanest way in an Azure website MVC app to route all requests
> for abcdef.com.au to abcdef.com ?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 9:03 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* SSL Certs
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> If using two domains like:
>
>
>
> abcdef.com
>
> and
>
> abcdef.com.au
>
>
>
> (and obviously the site also has the www. versions of those too).
>
>
>
> For SSL on Azure websites, thoughts on whether we should do two certs, or
> just do that on one of them and then do some sort of redirect for the other
> one? (It’s MVC)
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [OT] Office 365

[Stephen Price]

Actually did some more reading and it looks like the business version gives
you access to Lync (for business), Sharepoint and I think collaborative
office editing. As well as the Home stuff. All of which I am not using so
don't need. I think Office 365 Home is the way to go for me right now.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 15:32 DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >From what I've heard (which is very little)
> the business version gives you more control in the "dashboard" to
> customise stuff. I also don't think you're meant to use non-business
> versions for commercial use, whatever that means. 
>
> On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was
>> wondering if anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out
>> what it gives you and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version
>> except its more expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?
>>
>> I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its
>> great. Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented
>> anywhere that that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I
>> have +1 install (2 total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal
>> product.
>> I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox
>> (its in the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make
>> OneDrive my main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and
>> figure if i'm not paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.
>>
>> Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365
>> Business Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business
>> products, can't find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it
>> out...
>>
>

Re: [OT] Office 365

[Stephen Price]

Not people, no. Managers.
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 4:04 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> People still use sharepoint? Lol
>
> On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually did some more reading and it looks like the business version
>> gives you access to Lync (for business), Sharepoint and I think
>> collaborative office editing. As well as the Home stuff. All of which I am
>> not using so don't need. I think Office 365 Home is the way to go for me
>> right now.
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 15:32 DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >From what I've heard (which is very little)
>>> the business version gives you more control in the "dashboard" to
>>> customise stuff. I also don't think you're meant to use non-business
>>> versions for commercial use, whatever that means. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was
>>>> wondering if anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out
>>>> what it gives you and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version
>>>> except its more expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its
>>>> great. Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented
>>>> anywhere that that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I
>>>> have +1 install (2 total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal
>>>> product.
>>>> I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox
>>>> (its in the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make
>>>> OneDrive my main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and
>>>> figure if i'm not paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.
>>>>
>>>> Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365
>>>> Business Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business
>>>> products, can't find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it
>>>> out...
>>>>
>>>

[OT] Office 365

[Stephen Price]

Hey all,

I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was wondering
if anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out what it
gives you and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version except
its more expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?

I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its
great. Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented
anywhere that that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I
have +1 install (2 total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal
product.
I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox (its
in the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make
OneDrive my main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and
figure if i'm not paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.

Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365 Business
Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business products,
can't find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it out...

Re: [OT] Cable IP address

[Stephen Price]

My Cable modem IP rarely changes. I don't rely on it being that way
anyway... Except for GetFlix, and there's an app that updates it in a
second. (on their end). But yeah, very rarely have I noticed it change, six
months or more maybe even a year.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 15:21 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> sorry DOCSIS 3 - I hate autocorrect
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under
> +61 419201410
> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>
> > On 28 Oct 2015, at 6:17 PM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
> >
> > Yep correct - rarely changes - just get a reliable DDNS service and a
> decent modem/router that "gets" DDNS. We use a DOCSUS 3 modem in bridge
> mode then have a Billion box plugged into it. Seems to work well and we can
> get to our NAS through it just fine. However, bit by bit we're moving it
> all to Azure anyway so hope soon to not care about local IP address.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > Dr Greg Low
> > SQL Down Under
> > +61 419201410
> > 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
> >
> >> On 28 Oct 2015, at 5:11 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks, I had a Telstra cable modem installed this morning, but I
> haven't switched over to it yet because I don't know how it allocates IP
> addresses. I will have to update my DNS records to point the world to my
> home server. Web searches hint that the IP only changes if the modem is
> disconnected for "an extended period of time". Some hint that this period
> is days. Some people hint that the IP is "sticky" and will rarely change in
> practise. Can anyone confirm that this is actually the cable IP behaviour?
> >>
> >> Greg K
>

Re: [OT] Cable IP address

[Stephen Price]

That's the one I got.
I dare say I don't use all of its features but its pretty sweet. Like I
said, being able to monitor local devices down to an IP address has been
rather lacking for so many years. Finally someone does it out of the box.


On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 17:53 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Have been thinking about getting one of the AC3200 boxes though.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 8:52 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Cable IP address
>
>
>
> A Billion router
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 8:13 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Cable IP address
>
>
>
> What are you using for NAT?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 19:00 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
>
> We get around 110 Mb/sec down, and about 3 up. Not complaining but yes,
> use the supplied Netgear box in bridge mode only.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 7:54 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Cable IP address
>
>
>
> Yeah +1 William.   I have an Optus 100/2 HFC service at home and the
> resigrade modem they gave me was complete shit. As near as I could figure
> out it would limit the number of allowed NAT entries per IP on the inside
> of the NAT.
>
>
>
> Result was you would load Google maps on the Mac in 3D mode, it would part
> load then that machine was essentially a brick ( can't sign into hangouts
> or anything else ). Meanwhile everything else on the network is A-OK.
>
>
>
> I put the modem into bridge mode and used a Cisco 1921 as the router doing
> the NAT - no dramas at all.
>
>
>
> A lot of people malign HFC but I'm pretty sure most of the issues are
> people being stuck on DOCSIS 1/2.0 modems or with otherwise shitty CPE.
>
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 18:32 William Luu  wrote:
>
> You can set that modem to bridge mode than then use another router that
> all your devices behind that.
>
>
>
> It's an option if you want better wifi than from that Netgear modem.
>
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
> Thanks folks, that help confirm the chat in the forums. If the IP changes
> at monthly intervals, perhaps after a power failure or something else rare
> then I can live with just updating my 6 DNS records at VentralIP manually.
> I don't want to go back to using something like DynDns, as I used them
> about 10 years ago and they went from free to $10/month, but the worst
> thing is that it's just more *stuff* to manage and remember.
>
>
>
> I have no choice of modem, they gave me a "slab" Netgear Gateway Max with
> pretty blinking lights.
>
>
>
> *GK*
>
>
>
> On 28 October 2015 at 18:17, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
>
> Yep correct - rarely changes - just get a reliable DDNS service and a
> decent modem/router that "gets" DDNS. We use a DOCSUS 3 modem in bridge
> mode then have a Billion box plugged into it. Seems to work well and we can
> get to our NAS through it just fine. However, bit by bit we're moving it
> all to Azure anyway so hope soon to not care about local IP address.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under
> +61 419201410
> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>
> > On 28 Oct 2015, at 5:11 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> >
> > Folks, I had a Telstra cable modem installed this morning, but I haven't
> switched over to it yet because I don't know how it allocates IP addresses.
> I will have to update my DNS records to point the world to my home server.
> Web searches hint that the IP only changes if the modem is disconnected for
> "an extended period of time". Some hint that this period is days. Some
> people hint that the IP is "sticky" and will rarely change in practise. Can
> anyone confirm that this is actually the cable IP behaviour?
> >
> > Greg K
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | 

Re: [OT] Cable IP address

[Stephen Price]

Yeah, self hosting is so 2002. Its all in the cloud now. ;)


On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 17:56 Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
wrote:

> That's the one I got.
> I dare say I don't use all of its features but its pretty sweet. Like I
> said, being able to monitor local devices down to an IP address has been
> rather lacking for so many years. Finally someone does it out of the box.
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 17:53 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) <g...@greglow.com> wrote:
>
>> Have been thinking about getting one of the AC3200 boxes though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 8:52 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Cable IP address
>>
>>
>>
>> A Billion router
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *David Connors
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 8:13 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Cable IP address
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you using for NAT?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 19:00 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) <g...@greglow.com> wrote:
>>
>> We get around 110 Mb/sec down, and about 3 up. Not complaining but yes,
>> use the supplied Netgear box in bridge mode only.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 7:54 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Cable IP address
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah +1 William.   I have an Optus 100/2 HFC service at home and the
>> resigrade modem they gave me was complete shit. As near as I could figure
>> out it would limit the number of allowed NAT entries per IP on the inside
>> of the NAT.
>>
>>
>>
>> Result was you would load Google maps on the Mac in 3D mode, it would
>> part load then that machine was essentially a brick ( can't sign into
>> hangouts or anything else ). Meanwhile everything else on the network is
>> A-OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> I put the modem into bridge mode and used a Cisco 1921 as the router
>> doing the NAT - no dramas at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of people malign HFC but I'm pretty sure most of the issues are
>> people being stuck on DOCSIS 1/2.0 modems or with otherwise shitty CPE.
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 18:32 William Luu <will@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can set that modem to bridge mode than then use another router that
>> all your devices behind that.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an option if you want better wifi than from that Netgear modem.
>>
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks folks, that help confirm the chat in the forums. If the IP changes
>> at monthly intervals, perhaps after a power failure or something else rare
>> then I can live with just updating my 6 DNS records at VentralIP manually.
>> I don't want to go back to using something like DynDns, as I used them
>> about 10 years ago and they went from free to $10/month, but the worst
>> thing is that it's just more *stuff* to manage and remember.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no choice of modem, they gave me a "slab" Netgear Gateway Max with
>> pretty blinking lights.
>>

Re: [OT] Cable IP address

[Stephen Price]

I recently upgrade my router to an asus one and FINALLY a router that can
identify which device on my own network is using the bandwidths. The 2mbit
uplink gets hammered and stuffs up the gaming. Really happy with it and so
+1 for using tel$tra modem as a dumb bridge.
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 5:13 PM, David Connors  wrote:

> What are you using for NAT?
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 19:00 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
>
>> We get around 110 Mb/sec down, and about 3 up. Not complaining but yes,
>> use the supplied Netgear box in bridge mode only.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 October 2015 7:54 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Cable IP address
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah +1 William.   I have an Optus 100/2 HFC service at home and the
>> resigrade modem they gave me was complete shit. As near as I could figure
>> out it would limit the number of allowed NAT entries per IP on the inside
>> of the NAT.
>>
>>
>>
>> Result was you would load Google maps on the Mac in 3D mode, it would
>> part load then that machine was essentially a brick ( can't sign into
>> hangouts or anything else ). Meanwhile everything else on the network is
>> A-OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> I put the modem into bridge mode and used a Cisco 1921 as the router
>> doing the NAT - no dramas at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of people malign HFC but I'm pretty sure most of the issues are
>> people being stuck on DOCSIS 1/2.0 modems or with otherwise shitty CPE.
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 at 18:32 William Luu  wrote:
>>
>> You can set that modem to bridge mode than then use another router that
>> all your devices behind that.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an option if you want better wifi than from that Netgear modem.
>>
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks folks, that help confirm the chat in the forums. If the IP changes
>> at monthly intervals, perhaps after a power failure or something else rare
>> then I can live with just updating my 6 DNS records at VentralIP manually.
>> I don't want to go back to using something like DynDns, as I used them
>> about 10 years ago and they went from free to $10/month, but the worst
>> thing is that it's just more *stuff* to manage and remember.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no choice of modem, they gave me a "slab" Netgear Gateway Max with
>> pretty blinking lights.
>>
>>
>>
>> *GK*
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 October 2015 at 18:17, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
>>
>> Yep correct - rarely changes - just get a reliable DDNS service and a
>> decent modem/router that "gets" DDNS. We use a DOCSUS 3 modem in bridge
>> mode then have a Billion box plugged into it. Seems to work well and we can
>> get to our NAS through it just fine. However, bit by bit we're moving it
>> all to Azure anyway so hope soon to not care about local IP address.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>> SQL Down Under
>> +61 419201410
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>>
>> > On 28 Oct 2015, at 5:11 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>> >
>> > Folks, I had a Telstra cable modem installed this morning, but I
>> haven't switched over to it yet because I don't know how it allocates IP
>> addresses. I will have to update my DNS records to point the world to my
>> home server. Web searches hint that the IP only changes if the modem is
>> disconnected for "an extended period of time". Some hint that this period
>> is days. Some people hint that the IP is "sticky" and will rarely change in
>> practise. Can anyone confirm that this is actually the cable IP behaviour?
>> >
>> > Greg K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
meetup?

Re: [OT] Clients

[Stephen Price]

Unless you know exactly what you are delivering and exactly how long it
will take to deliver, fixed price is dumb.
How many people exactly nail their estimates? If you can do that then fixed
price is low risk. But software is normally a journey or discovering the
unknown. How can you do fixed price without horrendously padding the price?

Came up with a saying today.
You've heard the saying "Definition of insanity is doing the same thing
over and over and expecting a different result."

My new saying: Definition of Software development is doing the same thing
over and over and getting a different result.
On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 4:49 PM, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> Although this should be a standard clause in an IT contract, unfortunately
> it is not in this one, and we're probably too far down the track to start!
>
> Is pretty annoying as they refuse to use electronic meeting facilities too.
>
> Has anyone successfully implemented charging for meetings partway into a
> contract (fixed price)?
> On Oct 22, 2015 6:39 PM, "Craig van Nieuwkerk"  wrote:
>
>> Tell them you charge for meetings on normal hourly rate even if they are
>> cancelled.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Grant Molloy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
>>> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
>>> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
>>> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
>>> have responded to their request.
>>> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable
>>> for the selected timeslot.
>>> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>>>
>>> Have others had similar issues?
>>> How has it been handled?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

I do like that they changed the format back to the big single event a
surfers. No one can say the AU DPE team don't listen to feedback!

I'm hoping they amp it up a notch with the new branding, and make it
something different rather than just a new label. I think it's an extra day
of events too, the old TechEd used to be 3 days, not 4.


> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors <da...@connors.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
>>> meetup?
>>>
>>
>> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>>
>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
> given to me
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break

>>>
>>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for
>>> a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this
>>> (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is,
>>> I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson.
>>> The cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events
>>> -- *GK*
>>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
people who are paying for it themselves.

It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm

So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors <da...@connors.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
>> meetup?
>>
>
> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Seems like the norm.
The Apple event WWDC costs 1599 USD and includes access to five days of
sessions, hands-on labs, and special events. I dare say most people who go,
have a company sending them so it comes out of a training budget.

Its a double (triple?) sting for a sole developer who works for
themselves... Event ticket, flight, accommodation AND a week off work.
But... it's tax deductible, fun, educational, social, and you get a whole
week away from your normal distractions to focus on all things dev.
I could just stay home and watch training videos for a week, but if I
stayed home, would I? Definitely not.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 10:36 DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I find white collars tighter than blue collars by a long shot. Probably
> also has something to do with the fact that dev tools can become
> obsolete pretty quickly.
>
> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
>> almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
>> Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
>> people who are paying for it themselves.
>>
>> It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
>> fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
>> tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
>> your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
>> arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm
>>
>> So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
>> off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors <da...@connors.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or
>>>> Indian meetup?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

You're right. I crossed the line with the t-shirts. ;)

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:43 Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now you're just getting silly
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
>> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
>>> given to me
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked
>>>>> for a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like
>>>>> this (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this
>>>>> event is, I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with
>>>>> Richard Branson. The cost will surely skew the demographics of the 
>>>>> audience
>>>>> for such events -- *GK*
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: Cheapest MSDN renewals

[Stephen Price]

Subsidiary company would cost less than MSDN subscription.
Sad but true...

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 at 14:19 David Connors  wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 at 16:12 Craig van Nieuwkerk 
> wrote:
>
>> BizSpark is free.
>>
>
> Might be challenging convincing Microsoft a 19 year old company is a
> startup.
>
> David.
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: Office 365 platforms

[Stephen Price]

Get off my lawn!!
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 at 12:22 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Lol
>
> On Wednesday, 21 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> That's the idea- unlearn old crap like silverlight and replace it with
>>> new crap like angular *chuckle*
>>
>>
>> Angular is, like, so 2014. In the latest MSDN magazine, Julie Lerman has 
>> rewritten
>> an article 
>> from a few years ago to now use Aurelia. I guess she'll be rewriting the
>> article every 6 months from now on -- *Greg*
>>
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

I've ordered mine. If the 1Tb version was available (no date on that has
been released yet) I would have gotten that one. Shut up and take my money!
Have disclosed said pre-order to my significant other, and I've
successfully trained her to react with a simple eye roll. I'll likely "pay"
for it later. :)

It's a great feeling to not have to drool over Apple hardware and be
embarrassed about being in the Microsoft camp.
It would have been nice for the Surface Book to have come with Usb-C
port(s) but given I don't actually yet have any devices, and how long it
takes for devices to spring up, I can live with USB 3.0 for a while more.

Exciting times!

On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 at 08:49  wrote:

> Yeah - looks pretty nice, 512GB / i7/ 16GB for $4,199 AUD
>
> Compared to similar spec Lenovo ThinkPad W541 (no touch/pen/etc) $3,649.00
> AUD (though I think the Lenovo is 5th Gen i7 not 6th Gen as in Surface
> Book?)
>
> Jason Roberts
> Journeyman Software Developer
>
> Twitter: @robertsjason
> Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
> Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts
>
> ===
> I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/
> ===
>
> *From:* DotNet Dude 
> *Sent:* ‎Wednesday‎, ‎7‎ ‎October‎ ‎2015 ‎5‎:‎18‎ ‎PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
>
> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
> though
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
> wrote:
>
>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced
>> oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
>>> stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
>>> same online I guess, once the store opens.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
>>> purchased locally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT
>>> stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
>>> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
>>> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a link to their US store:
>>> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
>>> stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
>>> available in Australia…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
>>> manufacturer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 August 2015 at 19:28,  wrote:
>>>
>>> What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things
>>> happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you talking about Superfish?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have
>>> had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
>>> competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thomas Koster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Meski
>>>
>>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>>
>>>
>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Freelancer experience

[Stephen Price]

I know some people who use it (or similar sites like fiverr.com) and like
Dotnet Dude says (wait, who ARE you dude?) the people who do the work do it
at a super cheap price (with comparable quality). Not saying you can't find
someone who does a good job on there, but its a bit of a lottery. You can
find good people there who work for next to nothing, and you will be
competing with them.

On the flip side, if you do want to find people on sites like this, I've
heard the best way to get the quality is to put the work out to a number of
people. You assign the same task to say five developers and let them know
you have done so. The one who comes through with the goods gets further
work.

There is an Australian one called Airtasker that you might get more luck
with for finding local work.
https://www.airtasker.com/tasks/website-content-for-a-small-business-379540/?utm_campaign=TASK%20ALERT%20-%20EMAIL_content=control_medium=email_source=vero_term=Transactional_conv=1046423257

There are some web dev jobs on there and I've seen some higher rates on
there. (ie $1000).

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 at 15:41 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> No real experience with any but problem with them imo is you're competing
> against people from all around the world who will be willing to do the work
> for way less than you who lives in here in Oz. Plus I can just imagine what
> the specs would be like. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you, find
> something locally if you can with a real company.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Does anybody here have experience with freelancer.com.au or similar
>> sites? I'm hoping to get some work from it. Any recommendations or advice
>> on which ones to use or avoid.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>
>

Re: PayPal Integration

[Stephen Price]

I was looking at the options recently but have only gotten to the decision
made step, implementation will come later.
I chose https://stripe.com/au/features

Don't have anything like a readers digest post but their docs look good
with examples for many languages. I enquired about eWay some time ago and
have been getting spammed ever since. Told them I chose someone else and
still get their emails. I should hit the unsubscribe button now that I'm
thinking of it.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 at 16:27 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Been using eWay for ages and integrating with it was pretty trivial.
>
>
>
> Wanting to add PayPal now (to existing MVC app in VS2015). Been reading
> the developer doco and it seems like a convoluted mess. Presumed one of you
> must have been doing this lately.
>
>
>
> I need to know the outcome for the next processing stage so it does need
> one of the notification-based options, rather than just HTML forms or
> something.
>
>
>
> There seem to be endless discussions around IPN vs PDT vs Express. I want
> the customers to be able to pay via PayPal or by using a credit card when
> not PayPal members. I presume I can do this via the REST APIs.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a “reader’s digest” version of the minimal code that’s required
> to simply add the ability to take a payment?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>

Re: REST testing

[Stephen Price]

Obviously, it's a trust issue. I think you should download the source code,
examine all of the code so you know it has no security/privacy issues,
remove anything that concerns you and then you should be able to install
Postman. Source code here: https://www.chromium.org/Home

I believe there is also a project/fork somewhere where they have
essentially done exactly that but the name escapes me.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 at 16:04 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> SOAP UI?
>>
> Hmmm yes, very impressive, perhaps too impressive, like a Swiss Army knife
> with sledgehammers. I'll give it a bash though next week to see if a subset
> of the free version features does what I want. I'll let you know.
>
> And yes Joseph, you know me too well ... Chrome is OUT!
>
> *GK*
>

Re: Odd text encoding

[Stephen Price]

Exciting times for all of us. It's been a fun ride so far, with more in
store. :)

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 at 13:17 Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> Well, there are no guarantees about what we’ll see in the future, but
> here’s some stats for what’s come in the past:
>
> http://pages.experts-exchange.com/processing-power-compared/
>
> e.g. from 1956 through to 2015 has seen a trillion-fold increase in FLOPs.
> Something that would have been a 5000 year problem in 1956 probably would
> been solved a decade ago.
>
>
>
> To Greg’s point – storage access speeds have also been increasing pretty
> quickly. I believe Samsung showed off a 16TB 2.5” flash drive recently,
> with a demo of 48 of these in a server, providing 768TB of storage, and 2m
> IOPS. That’s only going to get faster and faster over time.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Bec C
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 September 2015 4:59 PM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Odd text encoding
>
>
>
> I get your point Ken but is power really increasing at such a rate?
>
> On Friday, 11 September 2015, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> And what would those numbers have looked like 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 10
> years ago?
>
>
>
> Assuming computing power doubles every 18-24 months, then that 5444 years
> will become a lot less, relatively quickly.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 September 2015 10:15 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Odd text encoding
>
>
>
> but because they were concerned about the possibility of running out of
> bigint values. (Clearly it’s a pity more maths isn’t taught at schools).
>
>
>
> My PC can do a for int loop up to 2^30 in about 20 seconds. To get to 2^63
> non-stop it will take 5444 years -- *GK*
>
>

Re: Powershell UI + tabs

[Stephen Price]

Scott Hanselman has a good blog post on setting up Console2, you can get it
nice so that control c and control v for cutting and pasting...
worth checking out.

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 12:32 William Luu <will@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm using cmder (http://cmder.net) for Powershell and cmd.
>
> On 9 September 2015 at 13:48, Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, that looks awesome. Thanks!!!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Console2 for all your command line needs.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have
>>>> multiple tabs open?
>>>>
>>>> Google searches yield random useless results.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Corneliu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Re: Powershell UI + tabs

[Stephen Price]

Anyone used both and can give a comparison?

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Peter Gfader <pe...@gfader.com> wrote:

> +1 to cmder.net
> Great keyboard support. Example: Ctrl+T for a new tab.
>
>.peter.gfader. (Silo Thinking Breaker)
>http://blog.gfader.com
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott Hanselman has a good blog post on setting up Console2, you can get
>> it nice so that control c and control v for cutting and pasting...
>> worth checking out.
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 12:32 William Luu <will@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using cmder (http://cmder.net) for Powershell and cmd.
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2015 at 13:48, Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh yes, that looks awesome. Thanks!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Price <
>>>> step...@perthprojects.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Console2 for all your command line needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have
>>>>>> multiple tabs open?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google searches yield random useless results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Corneliu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: Odd text encoding

[Stephen Price]

How did you get my Azure certificate? wtf??

Seriously though, the trailing == on the end (plus the overall look) makes
it look exactly like an Azure publish certificate.

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 at 08:39 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Perfect thanks Thomas.
>
> I'll just have to add a base64 decode function and I should be fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Koster
> Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2015 10:33 AM
> To: ozDotNet 
> Subject: Re: Odd text encoding
>
> On 10 September 2015 at 10:21, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:
> > This one’s driving me crazy and I thought the brains trust might have
> > an idea.
> >
> > Here’s a value that’s stored in an ntext column in a SQL Server DB:
> > H4sIAAAEALVW0W7aMBT9lanvre0wBkNtJEo3DWkFBGGvyDiXYi22M9vpYL/Wh33Sfm
> > GGJASatKOS95KH3HvPyTk+tvPn6fe1NLg3Bas5PMIsS0H3GVOZtJGm0lBmuZJfuLFKb99t
> > RCJNzw3cXKytTXsIGbYGQc2V4Ewro1b2iimBZj8SFGDcRbiNom0K8UQrBnGmwaB4qS4OQI
> > S8AakCmYLJEjsDu4dD5dffg1iC/sZjUF+5/F7RdP2zTEAbJWlyB5byxFRc7/1zFQsyjEFa
> > vuKM7takYmz/N8ZZJgTV24rqo3+qfeSG8hGMFU7fON2JO/KTeDX09YBXrB3/QgdKWsdWCw
> > zxwjVPY2qhH8euZOocH3xwmHTxAHaRgjTOswXNbVwsaUIlg6CiC7xs61zSZK0k1AX9g8CB
> > txDBaAaa04T/2m8ZdDTvJcn5FxYHAjXmp9JxxdHymaFyR6bAnCCXpZg/3yhvOZXPzGxEN3
> > vnav57ydMp1y01nNUX2quLkzy6ZxwAgRc3TwLy0o1BvB7gcwNaUgH1PBIv12Au6ZNwGkol
> > 4f4fIl3kOkfZ7hm2MOm0OteooVS0F6swcHAPzvuwPxjM70k58bxaDB2t2aE0GI+i6fB2Hg
> > 3Ho3K8qa8OcedKn7USYYBJ+xJ3LjFpADh0NQNEqhjvOoQXxl1PaRLd5DaMV0c9IcH44FVz
> > x6lrjS6f1vK359184V9pkluuCgoAAA==
> >
> > Somehow, that’s apparently meant to be either a) an XML file, or b) a
> > GZipped XML file.
>
> echo "H4s" | base64 -d | gunzip
>
> 
>

Re: Powershell UI + tabs

[Stephen Price]

Console2 for all your command line needs.

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have multiple
> tabs open?
>
> Google searches yield random useless results.
>
> Thanks,
> Corneliu.
>
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

I don't think the HP x360 Spectre I was talking about is a MS Signature
model, but I do know Microsoft had a big part in its design. Some kind of
partnership I think.
Actually, you can buy it in a Signature edition. I found it listed in the
US Microsoft store. I guess the difference is no bloatware installed. Not
that I noticed anything horrible on mine except for Mcafee.
Here's the article I read on the design with Microsoft story.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/01/hp-spectre-x360/


On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 at 12:31 Eddie de Bear (Gmail) eddie.deb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT
 stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
 Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
 the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..



 Here is a link to their US store:
 http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
 *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM


 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
 eddie.deb...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop
 thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
 available in Australia…



 Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
 *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, osjasonrobe...@gmail.com wrote:

 What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things
 happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?



 Are you talking about Superfish?




 http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/



 Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have
 had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
 competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...



 --

 Thomas Koster







 --

 Meski

  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that it's a
laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface pro
which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but important
difference (for me).
Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
is!)
Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not silver.
If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the letters. My
only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest they go which
is enough but always love more
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight. Considering
 macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a
 little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

HP x360, Spectre that is.
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 5:33 pm, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
 512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that it's a
 laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface pro
 which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but important
 difference (for me).
 Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
 battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
 is!)
 Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not silver.
 If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the letters. My
 only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest they go which
 is enough but always love more
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a
 little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

Harvey Norman. I had an old Samsung that died 2 1/2 years after I bought it
and I had their new for old warranty. I don't usually get the in store
warranties but for some reason I had. I basically got in store credit for
an equivalent spec'd machine. I added some extra ($500) to bring the specs
up the the top model and was kind of impressed with that warranty so got it
again on the new one. (this time around it's not for equivalent spec, its
the original purchase price as store credit which is better because the
specs get better over time but the price seems to stay constant).
I think JB-HiFi also have that laptop but the QHD screen version might be
exclusive to Harvey Norman (or it was at the time?)

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 at 07:24 Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 If u dont mind me asking where did you buy it from?


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 HP x360, Spectre that is.
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 5:33 pm, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
 512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that it's
 a laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface pro
 which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but important
 difference (for me).
 Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
 battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
 is!)
 Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not
 silver. If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the
 letters. My only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest
 they go which is enough but always love more
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was
 a little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Stephen Price]

Yeah the top model was hard to get (had to wait three weeks and they got
three units into the store) but I'm pretty sure it was listed on the Harvey
Norman website. It was a few months ago now so not looked lately.

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 at 09:32 Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't see the top model anywhere but HP site. Also found a discount code
 so can get 15% off making the $2400 one down to $2040


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
  wrote:

 Harvey Norman. I had an old Samsung that died 2 1/2 years after I bought
 it and I had their new for old warranty. I don't usually get the in store
 warranties but for some reason I had. I basically got in store credit for
 an equivalent spec'd machine. I added some extra ($500) to bring the specs
 up the the top model and was kind of impressed with that warranty so got it
 again on the new one. (this time around it's not for equivalent spec, its
 the original purchase price as store credit which is better because the
 specs get better over time but the price seems to stay constant).
 I think JB-HiFi also have that laptop but the QHD screen version might be
 exclusive to Harvey Norman (or it was at the time?)

 On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 at 07:24 Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 If u dont mind me asking where did you buy it from?


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Stephen Price 
 step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

 HP x360, Spectre that is.
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 5:33 pm, Stephen Price 
 step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

 I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
 512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that
 it's a laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface
 pro which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but
 important difference (for me).
 Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
 battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
 is!)
 Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not
 silver. If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the
 letters. My only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest
 they go which is enough but always love more
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard
 was a little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: Last words on AngularJS

[Stephen Price]

I think the problem you are experiencing, Greg, is that you are looking for
the right way to write Javascript apps. Is that what you mean by best
practice?

I look at that as being similar to someone saying they are looking for the
right woman. There is no right woman, there are just a large set of
permutations of women. As soon as you try to apply rules of classification
(ie a filter to apply to separate right from wrong) then you are applying
an artificial, subjective ruleset.

Try not to think of it in terms of right and wrong. Javascript is a guide,
Greg. She can help you to find the path.


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you come across yeoman and angular generator?

 https://github.com/yeoman/generator-angular#angularjs-generator-

 Those tools scaffold/generate code base on “best practice”.


 This is a great illustration of my gripe with the JS ecosystem.

 *Yeoman generator for AngularJS - lets you quickly set up a project with
 sensible defaults and best practices. There are many starting points for
 building a new Angular single page app, in addition to this one. To see a
 comparison of the popular options, have a look at this comparison.*

 Due to best practise confusion we need a JS tool to generate sensible
 code which wraps the underlying JS language and you need to install yo,
 grunt-cli, bower, generator-angular and generator-karma as dependencies to
 make it all work. I reads like an IT comedy sketch.

 I'll bet there are people arguing that the best practices aren't the
 best and they know and have implemented better ones! I might write a best
 practice generator in JS and when it's bootstrapped far enough I'll get it
 to write itself.

 *Greg*

Re: Last words on AngularJS

[Stephen Price]

Yeah, I've heard it said that .Net (ie Microsoft) had for a long time tried
to shield you from having to learn Javascript. Webforms and Asp.Net
protects you from having to learn all that horrible web stuff. MCV took a
step to get you closer to the browser, and I think it's a good thing.
So given everything is moving towards the Web (for now) and away from the
desktop it's something (for good or bad) that you need to learn. I love
working with Javascript and have not mastered it. I can find my way
eventually.
I love the learning part of development and often find how things don't
work how you expect to be frustrating. Unfortunately its usually due to a
lack of proper understanding that makes it not work how you expect.
Anyway, once you do figure something out that's where you get satisfaction.
But yeah, totally get why if feels like a dogs breakfast along the way.
Probably because it is!
Its like finding out the aircraft you are flying in is held together by
gaffa tape and coathangers! (most of the web is!)


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Bec C bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMO most .net devs won't really be happy doing any JS, via a library or
 not. We just want to do the .net code and leave the front end to someone
 else. Just like the Silverlight evangelists promised. Don't see that
 happening though. Everyone seems to want a full stack developer now...and
 I'm struggling.


 On Tuesday, 25 August 2015, Paul Glavich subscripti...@theglavs.com
 wrote:

 Greg and others,



 One of Javascript’s strength is also it’s weakness. You can do literally
 anything with it. It is one of the most flexible and adaptable languages
 there is. This (IMHO) is one of the reasons it is popular. With that, many
 people twist and change it to what they think is best, and there are plenty
 of differing opinions, so here we are.



 As industry experts/veterans, it is always a challenge to look at the
 good parts of a framework/approach and:

 a)  Accept the bad bits and use it

 b)  Accept only the good bits and augment so that the bad bits are
 mitigated

 c)   Watch and provide input to try and steer
 communities/frameworks/languages in the desired direction

 d)  Do it all using the basic accepted tools currently available.
 This means things like just plain js/ jQuery/ES6(maybe using things like
 babel) etc.



 It is all in flux right now hence my call to wait it out for a bit (which
 libraries gain community momentum). To expect a strict guidance on how to
 do things in a particular framework for a large application is always going
 to be contentious in our field because of the “it depends” clause. There is
 no one way. The fact that you have had to research something quite a bit
 should at the very last have helped you form a much leaner and clearer
 picture of what you want, which can feed into the constant decision process
 as well as design.



 It is not easy but do not get too hung up on getting the perfect way via
 a particular tool (analysis paralysis). Pick the best possible that you
 think applies to you, weigh the risks and commit.  The rest you can tailor
 to what you want. Final note: On a current project we are using Angular,
 however there are legacy elements still working fine but using
 prototype.js. Point being, at the end of the day, if you are just using
 plan old JS (whether via a particular library) it will continue to work for
 a long long time.



 -  Glav



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Halid
 *Sent:* Monday, 24 August 2015 9:23 PM
 *To:* 'ozDotNet' ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* RE: Last words on AngularJS



 In the world according to Github Javascript is now the number 1 popular
 programming language used in their repositories. Might be due to all the
 Javascript frameworks out thereJ.

 It is also interesting to see the climb of Java from 7th to 2nd over the
 last 7 years.



 https://github.com/blog/2047-language-trends-on-github







 *Regards*



 *Adrian Halid*



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Monday, 24 August 2015 6:26 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: Last words on AngularJS



 Paul, most of what you said actually supports my anguish over the
 lottery of kits, tools, packages and standards (ha!) and fads in the
 JavaScript ecosystem.



 Over the last week or more since I expressed my dismay, I've been reading
 more and more about the zoo of frameworks that decorate JavaScript and
 attempt to hoist it up into the world of real languages. It's getting so
 stupid that the AngularJS seems to have decided to completely rewrite it
 for v2 using TypeScript, and someone got upset and split off to make
 Aurelia because it was more pure, but apparently they're friends again
 now, I think. It's worse than a zoo, it's like a steaming compost bin.



 I got all excited about 

Re: Azure upload limit

[Stephen Price]

Not hit that issue, but the files I upload are small images so unlikely.
Good to know there's a setting that helped.
cheers
Stephen

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 08:44 Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wouldn't you know it, seconds after I posted the upload problem, my last
 experiment with 20MB finished okay. I discovered another settings that
 looked suspiciously useful. If you set the properties on the Blob before
 upload it seems to overcome the default limit:

 BlobRequestOptions
   .ServerTimeout
   .MaximumExeceutionTime

 I don't if both are needed due to lack of experimenting time, but now my
 uploads are going again. Setting the same properties on the Blob client
 also works.

 *Greg*

Re: [OT] Preparing Windows 10

[Stephen Price]

Does your desktop have 400 icons on it?
Just wondering how you launch your apps on your normal machines. Icons on
desktop, pinned to taskbar, Start menu, Start search (that searchbox can be
used to launch stuff), Windows R to run stuff, or browse via Explorer. Oh
you could also open Task Manager and execute new task. There are so many
ways to run apps in Windows its crazy.


On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 at 13:58 Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a Friday thing, but for your possible amusement ... I installed
 Windows 10 retail (inside Parallels on a Mac) and I'm trying to use it in
 anger for the first time. The first things I did were to disable Windows
 Defender, uninstall Flash, unpin or uninstall weather, news, email,
 contacts, store, photos, music, pictures (and others I forget). So after
 using group policy editor, regedit, elevated command lines, etc I finally
 stripped Windows 10 back to a typical development machine. Weirdly enough,
 by the time I cleaned up the Start Menu of junk it was empty ... there are
 no coloured tiles on my Start fly-out as they were all utterly useless.
 What a shame, as I suppose whole departments of people went into designing
 and implementing it -- *Greg*

Re: [OT] Chairs for home office

[Stephen Price]

My favourite is laying down. Asleep is when I'm at my most creative, but my
coding style slips a bit when I'm asleep so it's a trade off.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 at 18:26 Bec C bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote:

 Feelings aside I highly recommend both sitting and standing (alternate).
 It really helped me. Add in a few basic stretches every hour and it will
 help you down the road


 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jorke feels very strongly about this.

 On 29 July 2015 at 22:15, Bec C bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Jorke Odolphi jo...@jorke.net wrote:

  I’ve been using a herman miller setu at home for the past month –
 cannot recommend it enough. No arm rests, set height and slides (on a
 wooden floor) - amazing chair – I’ve done a couple of 16 hour days, I would
 usually be physically tired and sore etc – totally gone.

  don’t listen to idiots that may tell you to use a stand up desk, when
 you have to do real work invest in a really good chair for your health – it
 has a 12 year warranty.

 Idiots? That's harsh


  http://livingedge.com.au/shop/226-setu-chair.html



   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of Dave Walker
 Reply-To: ozDotNet
 Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 4:41 pm
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: [OT] Chairs for home office

   Hi all,

  back working in a home office and my chair is giving me conniptions.
 I've been looking into investing into one that's going to last me a long
 time.

  In previous companies I've used Aerons and they are awesome though
 really expensive. I've heard recently good things about the Steelcase
 Leap http://www.steelcase.com/products/office-chairs/leap/ as well
 so was wondering if anyone else had any other suggestions?

  Cheers,
 Dave

Re: [OT] home server

[Stephen Price]

I'm backing up the Internet. Can never be too careful.


On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 16:18 David Connors da...@connors.com wrote:

 How much actual data do you guys have that you need to keep? Mulitple-
 terabytes is a sh1tload.



 On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 11:22 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) g...@greglow.com wrote:

  On the subject of home servers, if someone wants to make an offer on a
 serious NAS - QNAP TS-879 PRO with 24TB (8x3TB Seagate Constellation SATA3
 drives), little “r” ping me back.



 https://www.qnap.com/i/au/product/model.php?II=15



 Regards,



 Greg



 Dr Greg Low



 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
 fax

 SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
 *Sent:* Saturday, 25 July 2015 12:05 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] home server



 I went for the 5 bay one the upgraded to an 8 bay. The 5 was then moved
 to our office and is our file server there. Love the cloud sync it means we
 can access Dropbox files without having to have the drive space on office
 laptops. The files sit on the nas and just share the folder.

 Forget the model number off the top of my head but it's the ones you can
 expand with a second bay doubling the number of bays.



 On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 at 6:24 am, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yeah I'm looking at synology as well. Any recommendations?

 I was looking at a https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play
 with 2 3tb red drives for now.

 On 25 Jul 2015 09:44, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

 Synology NAS. Any model, choose based on your storage needs.
 Does all your file sharing, media stuff etc. I even got Crashplan running
 on it

 It's brilliant



 On Fri, Jul 24, 2015, 2:51 PM ILT il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  I’d appreciate some advice, from those who dabble in this area (home
 networking, media server).

 As Windows 10 RTM approaches, I’ve been thinking of replacing my aged
 home network, based on a nice little HP Proliant Microserver N36L with 8Gb
 RAM running the defunct Windows Home Server 2011.

 I’m not sure I need the capability of Windows Server Essentials. Maybe
 Windows 8 or 10 would do the job?

 Currently the HP is not even serving media, being used as file storage
 and not using its RAID capability. But with larger storage at good prices
 these days (eg, WD Red or Black 3Tb at the best price-point), should I be
 using storage spaces on a newer OS?

 I’d like to also use it as a media server, not sure what Windows 8 or
 Server Essentials would offer.

 Thanks
  --

 Ian Thomas
 Albert Park, Victoria



--
 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] home server

[Stephen Price]

Synology NAS. Any model, choose based on your storage needs.
Does all your file sharing, media stuff etc. I even got Crashplan running
on it

It's brilliant

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015, 2:51 PM ILT il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

 I’d appreciate some advice, from those who dabble in this area (home
 networking, media server).

 As Windows 10 RTM approaches, I’ve been thinking of replacing my aged home
 network, based on a nice little HP Proliant Microserver N36L with 8Gb RAM
 running the defunct Windows Home Server 2011.

 I’m not sure I need the capability of Windows Server Essentials. Maybe
 Windows 8 or 10 would do the job?

 Currently the HP is not even serving media, being used as file storage and
 not using its RAID capability. But with larger storage at good prices these
 days (eg, WD Red or Black 3Tb at the best price-point), should I be using
 storage spaces on a newer OS?

 I’d like to also use it as a media server, not sure what Windows 8 or
 Server Essentials would offer.

 Thanks
 --

 Ian Thomas
 Albert Park, Victoria

Re: [OT] home server

[Stephen Price]

I went for the 5 bay one the upgraded to an 8 bay. The 5 was then moved to
our office and is our file server there. Love the cloud sync it means we
can access Dropbox files without having to have the drive space on office
laptops. The files sit on the nas and just share the folder.

Forget the model number off the top of my head but it's the ones you can
expand with a second bay doubling the number of bays.

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 at 6:24 am, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah I'm looking at synology as well. Any recommendations?

 I was looking at a https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play with
 2 3tb red drives for now.
 On 25 Jul 2015 09:44, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

 Synology NAS. Any model, choose based on your storage needs.
 Does all your file sharing, media stuff etc. I even got Crashplan running
 on it

 It's brilliant

 On Fri, Jul 24, 2015, 2:51 PM ILT il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

 I’d appreciate some advice, from those who dabble in this area (home
 networking, media server).

 As Windows 10 RTM approaches, I’ve been thinking of replacing my aged
 home network, based on a nice little HP Proliant Microserver N36L with 8Gb
 RAM running the defunct Windows Home Server 2011.

 I’m not sure I need the capability of Windows Server Essentials. Maybe
 Windows 8 or 10 would do the job?

 Currently the HP is not even serving media, being used as file storage
 and not using its RAID capability. But with larger storage at good prices
 these days (eg, WD Red or Black 3Tb at the best price-point), should I be
 using storage spaces on a newer OS?

 I’d like to also use it as a media server, not sure what Windows 8 or
 Server Essentials would offer.

 Thanks
 --

 Ian Thomas
 Albert Park, Victoria

Re: Amusing story

[Stephen Price]

Are you sure he sent you the wrong data? Did your heart rate go up as
intended?
Did you check every link?

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 at 14:00 Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Reminds me of a time I worked for a big phone company and someone (note i
 don't say accidentally or by mistake here) sent the client evidence of them
 being ripped off

 On Thursday, 2 July 2015, David Richards ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com
 wrote:

 Spam aside (innuendo not intended), that's a pretty big mistake to be
 sending the wrong data.  People get fired for that sort of thing.  I'd also
 be a bit worried about privacy and security with them.

 This is why I check what I'm sending several times... and who I'm sending
 to.

 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 On 2 July 2015 at 14:54, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote:

 Guys

 Not really a .net specific post, but I thought I'd share anyway.

 I'm working on a database at the moment that is used to record heart
 rates and other biometric data in high intensity exercise scenarios.

 We're working with an offshore company, creating what is essentially a
 copy of part of their existing database, with modifications to suit our
 particular requirements. The guy at the other end said he would give me a
 database diagram together with a dump of the relevant data into Excel so
 that I could see how it all hangs together.

 First off, he tried to shoehorn the data from about 20 different SQL
 tables into a single spreadsheet. Not a workbook with multiple sheets, a
 single sheet.

 I could probably live with that, except he grabbed the wrong data before
 he sent it to me. Instead of heart rate and respiratory data, I got a set
 of tables that provided links to porn sites and sex videos, handbag sales,
 pharmaceuticals, products made from Canadian geese, hair loss tonics,
 gambling sites, horse racing, Viagra and Cialis, and a variety of other
 things.

 It was clearly a data set that is used as the basis for a spam sending
 application. Talk about busted!

 I should be pissed off with them for wasting my time, but I'm laughing
 too hard. Needless to say I'll not be taking anything they say seriously
 from now on!

 Cheers

 Grant

Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Stephen Price]

Hey leave me out of this. ;)

You already know my views on how Greg K should be hired by all major
companies as a tester. If it can't get past Greg then its a fail. We'd all
benefit.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 at 07:50 David Connors da...@connors.com wrote:

 On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 at 09:22 Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, so what the hell is happening in the Android phone world.


 Greg - you make me laugh.

 Stephen Price - where are you?

 David.

 --
 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Stephen Price]

Perhaps. I do believe that most of our imposed limitations are artificial
fabrications to monetise. By creating a perceived shortage of something,
creates an inflated value that would not otherwise have existed. Who says
it's worth that? If it was suddenly it was found that there is no shortage
of bandwidth the agreed price of said bandwidth would go down drastically.
It's much like net neutrality, controlling data speeds for a price, but the
inverse, controlling available download quantities for a price. Don't want.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 at 11:18 Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
 *Sent:* Friday, 3 July 2015 1:07 PM


 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story



 Ken, lol. so true.



 There are some underlaying questions that need answering. Like WHY are we
 still worrying about download quotas? Because we are being robbed. If the
 bandwidth is there it should be used. The system has a self modifying
 behaviour of going slow when its being over utilised. Its like putting a
 speed limit of 40km/hour on a major freeway. Make it the Autobahn! go as
 fast as you can



 I’m assuming that this is “tongue in cheek” – you’re talking only about
 the link between your phone and the tower, but you know that actually
 getting data from somewhere requires and end-to-end connection.

Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Stephen Price]

Perhaps his Ad blocking filtered out the warning messages?

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 at 13:12 David Connors da...@connors.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 I never said I dislike Material Design, it's actually quite pleasant
 (until something else becomes the fad and it all changes overnight). I was
 only unhappy that it arrived without warning.


 I can see how you missed it.



 [ ... ]


 When I first got the phone I tried to get SMS working, but it was once
 again utterly incomprehensible and it seemed to be asking me to sell my
 soul to Google.


 Come on, surely you're taking the piss. Lollipop's Google Messenger? The
 SMS app that works like every other SMS app on the planet is hard to use?

Re: Windows Mobile Development on Windows 8

[Stephen Price]

Not heard anything either way (sorry that's not much help) but if you are
installing WM SDK, check that you are not installing a newer version than
what you currently have working on your Windows 7 machine.

From what you have said its more likely an issue with mismatched VS to SDK
versions. As a rule of thumb if it runs on Windows 7, it should run on
Windows 8. If you were to install all the stuff you are installing onto a
Windows 7 machine you'd probably hit the same issue.
If you have a windows 7 vm you might try it to verify that, but depends how
long it takes, if you want to go there


On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Richards 
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:

 Greetings all,

 I'm currently on windows 7 but we've recently bought new hardware and
 we're upgrading to windows 8 (and presumably 10 soon) but I'm having
 compatibility problems.  We need to be able to develop for windows mobile
 (as opposed to windows phone) but I can't seem to get it working on windows
 8.  I managed to get VS 2008 SP1 installed but when I try to install any of
 the WM SDKs, they complain that VS isn't installed and won't let me
 proceed.  I'm dreading having to keep my windows 7 machine running just for
 WM development but this is what I'm facing.

 Does anyone know if it's possible to develop for WM on windows 8?  Or
 conversely, does anyone KNOW that it's not possible?  I haven't been able
 to find a definitive answer so far.

 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

Re: Visual Studio 2015

[Stephen Price]

Passed on our thoughts (via some quotes from this thread) to a Partner
Manager at Xamarin. He replied with thanks and said he would forward to the
team and let them know how we feel about it all.



On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'm kind of used to high costs as a mobile tech consultant as all the
 tools are expensive, a new mac every few years, and a pc, Android/iOS
 testing devices, there's always something.


 *Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP*

 XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists

 www.xam-consulting.com

 Blog: www.michaelridland.com



 On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 They got alot of pressure about this already and introduced the indie
 pricing  monthly subscription. Not sure they will change this anytime soon
 but I think the professional pricing tier sounds like a good idea. The team
 are very accommodating if you email them, I'm sure they will extend the
 trial.



 On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
  wrote:

 If you are an Indie developer then its much cheaper, but you can't use
 it in Visual Studio. What are they saying, that Indie developers don't use
 Visual Studio? There needs to be something in between Indie and Enterprise.
 I'm certainly not an Enterprise and I'm not an Indie. I'm a
 professional/contractor who works on Enterprise projects. (If we're
 resorting to name calling).

 I suspect Xamarin won't be reading these. I'm sure people have made
 noise but they ... just had an idea. I have a Xamarin contact I can forward
 this thread to. It might help. If you don't ask, you don't get. Anyone have
 any objections? These emails all end up on the public archives anyway so I
 imagine it can't hurt. :)

 On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 License is about to expire and its expensive as hell. More expensive
 than my Microsoft msdn subscription and look what that gives you.


 Ooh, do you mean the Xamarin licence? I just discovered that there is a
 20% discount for MSDN subscribers, which brings the business price down to
 $800/year. I personally think this is still a hell of a lot, especially
 when I'm in the position that I've only been asked to create a
 proof-of-concept that our Silverlight app can be replicated on an iPad. I
 emailed Xamarin to ask if my (never used) trial period can be reset, but
 that only gives me 30 days of panic to learn, configure and create the
 demo. I hope that someone from Xamarin reads this hint that the price is 
 *really
 *steep, unless you know you can recoup the cost somehow. I think the
 pricing structure is overbalanced to deflect low-frequency users from
 considering its use.

 *GK*

Re: [OT] More targeted advertising

[Stephen Price]

OMG you use a web browser?

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Folks, here's a Friday curiosity and frightener for you ... A few days ago
 I renewed my MSDN subscription. Last night I went to The Age newspaper web
 site and I see a rather surprising ad down the right side (see below). What
 worries me is that I only have 23 cookies from trusted sites, so somehow
 Fairfax and their ad partners have access to information about my MSDN
 subscription. How is that possible? I'm livid with anger, (partly at myself
 as well) because I take serious steps to try and avoid this sort of thing,
 but it makes no difference. Be afraid!

 *Greg K*


 ​

Re: Visual Studio 2015

[Stephen Price]

I've done it but not released anything.
It seems workable if you have the Mac near you (or use VNC to remote to it
on the same machine).
It think its a lot easier to work with if you are coding in a vm on
Parallels and then flip over to the Mac screen. I won't be pursuing my
mobile dev via Xamarin in the short term. License is about to expire and
its expensive as hell. More expensive than my Microsoft msdn subscription
and look what that gives you. If I actually had a product that was earning
money then I could justify it but my focus at the moment is elsewhere. They
even offered me a massive discount to renew and it was still more expensive
than my msdn (given I had a license for Android and iOS).
If I do get time to come back to the mobile stuff (unlikely) then I'll just
use the community stuff that is free until I get it out the door.

cheers
Stephen

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Folks, the Xamarin forum is quite helpful. I found that VS2015 RC can be
 coaxed into working with Xamarin by installing the following 300MB upgrade
 file: Xamarin.VisualStudio_3.11.524.msi

 My reading also confirmed that building for iOS is a complicated
 procedure, as described here
 http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/ios/getting_started/installation/windows/.
 You need to pair a running Mac with Xcode and appropriate licences over
 the network so you get the strange experience of coding in VS but looking
 over at the Mac to test in the simulator ... this will be curious to see.
 Anyone doing it?

 *Greg K*

 On 27 May 2015 at 06:59, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'm not sure about Visual Studio parts as i primarily use Xamarin Studio
 on a Mac, this is the best if your developing production iOS apps with
 Xamarin as I find it's much faster to build and load up your apps. You also
 need a Mac to put into the AppStore, no matter what tech you use.

 As far as how near Native, well essentially anything you can do in a
 Native app you can do in Xamarin, it's just a thin layer over the native
 API. Any slowness is programmer error. There's more to it than that,
 there's big learning curves and other frustrations but it's the best option
 we have.

 If you want to know more, your welcome to come to a hack day in Sydney,
 Brisbane or Melbourne. Www.xamarinhackday.com or just drop me an email.



 On Wednesday, May 27, 2015, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Folks, could someone cut through the marketing woffle and clarify what
 is actually possible with the new platform projects that have appeared in
 Visual Studio 2015 (Ultimate preview) for iOS and Android? If you create
 one of these project types it looks like a thin shim over Xamarin, simply
 launching Xamarin inside VS2015. Sadly, I can't proceed because my licence
 has expired and can't be updated in the dialog. I can only quit VS2015, but
 in the background I see a Download Xamarin link.

 So, does this mean I still have to purchase and install Xamarin to
 develop for iOS and Android in VS2015? It's quite expensive!

 Can anyone describe what the iOS and Android development experience is
 like inside VS2015? I downloaded a Xamarin trial before Xmas and it
 had gigabytes of dependencies on other SDKs, but I suppose that is
 unavoidable. I never got to the use the trial as it expired before I found
 time to try it. What's the deployment experience like?

 Most importantly ... how close can you get (or not get) to the native
 app feel?

 *Greg K*



 --

 *Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP*

 XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists

 www.xam-consulting.com

 Blog: www.michaelridland.com

Re: Visual Studio 2015

[Stephen Price]

If you are an Indie developer then its much cheaper, but you can't use it
in Visual Studio. What are they saying, that Indie developers don't use
Visual Studio? There needs to be something in between Indie and Enterprise.
I'm certainly not an Enterprise and I'm not an Indie. I'm a
professional/contractor who works on Enterprise projects. (If we're
resorting to name calling).

I suspect Xamarin won't be reading these. I'm sure people have made noise
but they ... just had an idea. I have a Xamarin contact I can forward this
thread to. It might help. If you don't ask, you don't get. Anyone have any
objections? These emails all end up on the public archives anyway so I
imagine it can't hurt. :)

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Greg Keogh gfke...@gmail.com wrote:

 License is about to expire and its expensive as hell. More expensive than
 my Microsoft msdn subscription and look what that gives you.


 Ooh, do you mean the Xamarin licence? I just discovered that there is a
 20% discount for MSDN subscribers, which brings the business price down to
 $800/year. I personally think this is still a hell of a lot, especially
 when I'm in the position that I've only been asked to create a
 proof-of-concept that our Silverlight app can be replicated on an iPad. I
 emailed Xamarin to ask if my (never used) trial period can be reset, but
 that only gives me 30 days of panic to learn, configure and create the
 demo. I hope that someone from Xamarin reads this hint that the price is 
 *really
 *steep, unless you know you can recoup the cost somehow. I think the
 pricing structure is overbalanced to deflect low-frequency users from
 considering its use.

 *GK*

Re: Push to web clients

[Stephen Price]

http://macleodsawyer.com/2015/03/06/nine-truths-computer-programmers-know-that-most-people-dont/

You've pretty much described Fact #1. Everything is hacked together with
duct tape and coat hangers. :)

That's the beauty of it all. The power of Javascript is that you *can* hack
it together. Does it mean you should? We'll leave that discussion for
another lunch time.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 SignalR will still work without WebSockets, it will fall back to long
 polling I believe.


 I created the demo app that broadcasts a fake stock ticker. I ran it
 locally on my Win7 dev machine, then I deployed it to Azure. Fiddler
 traffic shows that messages are very similar for each scenario and I can
 see signalr in the messages as well as longPolling. I expected to see
 different sorts of traffic because it thought it would fallback on my local
 machine, however they both look roughly the same. Oh well, at least I have
 proof it works in some mystical way.

 The code and scripts that make the demo work are obtuse, cryptic, verbose
 and fragile, and you'd have to take a bit of time to study how it works and
 get a comfortable feel for it. This confirms my distaste for writing
 anything with JavaScript involved ... it's the joke of the century. Once
 day when I'm an old head-in-a-jar and someone has finally made the web
 function properly, we'll look back and laugh and say I can't believe we
 made that junk work!.

 *Greg K*

Re: Async'ing a library

[Stephen Price]

Yeah, generally speaking, if you think you understand something, you must
have it wrong.

Also, as soon as you comprehend something, someone will change it. Just
assume you have no idea and be done with it. Run with it until someone
complains about it. :)

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, I have an existing library with lots of traditional non-async
 methods in it, and I want to provide async versions of the old methods.
 Would you consider this to be a simple and trustworthy way of getting this
 done?

 public Thing GetThing(int key)
 {
   // This is the existing method
   return ...
 }

 public TaskThing GetThingAsync(int key)
 {
   return Task.Run(() =
   {
  return GetThing(key);
   }
 }

 So I just make matching pairs where the old methods are just wrapped in
 Task.Run(...). It seems too easy. This is Framework 4.5, and I have a vague
 recall that Task.Run doesn't work this easily in 4.0 and it's a bit more
 verbose.

 *Greg K*

Re: Visual Studio startup delay

[Stephen Price]

Wait, what? 2014?
Did I miss a release somehow?

Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Mar 2015, at 11:09 am, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, sometime in the last couple of weeks I noticed that Visual Studio 2014 
 was taking a long time to start, but only when I ran it as Administrator. 
 Launching it as my normal user account makes it come up in a second. The last 
 time this happened I used procmon to discover that thousands of small HTML 
 files were being written due to me accidentally leaving fuslog active, but 
 that's not happening this time.

 This time neither procmon or Fiddler show any unusual activity of any type 
 around the pause. VS simply stops for exactly 30 seconds while the CPU sits 
 at 0% busy, then it appears as normal. This exact 30 second delay has be 
 stumped. Any ideas anyone?

 Greg K

Re: WP - prepare for universal app development in Windows 10

[Stephen Price]

I have installed it to have a look (but not yet spent any time on it yet).
I was surprised to see when it installed the external stuff (ie android sdk
etc) it actually installed google chrome for me. Kind of a really? Wow!
Moment.
On 8 Jan 2015 2:43 pm, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Thanks David, your link to this article
 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/12/04/introducing-net-core.aspx
 posted about a month ago (good reading) clarifies where things are headed.
 I hadn't been following the news closely, so I was unclear about the big
 picture of where all the frameworks, portables, RTs and Universals were
 heading, I couldn't see an end-game.

 I can't picture yet how this will affect the way I chose to build and
 deploy various project types, but perhaps the preview VS2015 will show me
 ... has anyone tried VS2015? Does it have new behaviour to prepare for all
 the .NET core refactoring? I'm planning to make a VM to try VS2015 this
 weekend.

 *Greg K*

 On 3 January 2015 at 12:03, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:

  The next version of universal apps is going to be lovely. We’ll have a
 single Windows and .NET surface area across all Windows 10 devices, and
 we’ll be filling a bunch of the glaring gaps (including WCF, local database
 – we’ll have EF running over SQLLite, file IO, crypto). As part of .NET
 Core
 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/12/04/introducing-net-core.aspx
 effort, we’ve also ported a bunch of legacy areas to make porting from
 existing .NET code easier. If you think things are missing that should be
 included and you’ve not listed them below, feel free to send them onto me.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:06 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: WP - prepare for universal app development in Windows 10



 Universal apps are lovely.



 there you go.

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 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

It’s interesting to read the comments, and the Microsoft replies –
 about what is currently missing from “universal” and why Silverlight is
 more suitable, at present.



 Good grief! I didn't previously scroll down to see those comments. I
 don't think this migration to WinRT should have been announced until all of
 the glaring omissions were available. Alarms, reminders, copy-paste, local
 database, WCF (they must be kidding, or can't talk to anything)... The
 whole RT and winmd files thing leaves me bewildered by more divergence and
 too many choices, everything is fragmenting without a clear goal in sight.
 Has anyone got anything nice to say about universal apps?-- *Greg K*

Re: Visual Studio C/C++ projects

[Stephen Price]

Nice! Object oriented comments. That should totally be a thing! :)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Greg Harris g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
wrote:

 Some (many) years ago I was talking to this guy who was proudly telling me
 he had upgraded his Pascal program to use the OO features of Delphi.
 Great, tell me what features you are using I ask (expecting classes and
 inheritance at least)
 Answer: Oh the Delphi style // comments - Yeah - I had to bite my tongue!
 Not being a C++ guy I can not tell you when the // style comment came in
 for C based languages :-)
 Happy New Year Everyone!

 On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:05 PM, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Try adding some C++ features and see what happens when you try to compile.


 On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think /TC tells VS it's C only? /TP is for C++.


 On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 I found the easiest way of making a plain C project (I hope) is to
 create a new C++ Empty Project, add a .c file then after some searching I
 found:

 Configuration Properties  C/C++  Advanced  Compile As

 Which sets the /TP or /TC compile option. I'm still suspicious that
 this hasn't disabled all the C++ features though.

 *Greg K*

 On 5 January 2015 at 10:47, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, I might have to migrate some Embarcadero/Borland C (not C++)
 code over to Visual Studio, but I haven't written any C/C++ for about 10
 years now (thankfully). The C code mostly manipulates flat files and
 performs heavy stats calculations, so there are no serious platform
 dependencies to make conversion difficult.

 The trouble is, I've forgotten how to make a VS2013 C (not C++)
 project, if such a thing is meaningful. I'm not even sure if the C 
 language
 exists any more!! Do I have to flip some compiler options, or will the 
 '.c'
 file suffix be recognised and prevent me from using any C++ headers or
 features?

 It's a weird question, but C/C++ and projects and tools have changed
 so much in the last decade that I'm disoriented.

 *Greg K*

Re: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

[Stephen Price]

No, I too think targeted advertising is awesome. I am a consumer, and I
dare say you are too. If you deny it then that's fine. Denial is a powerful
tool for avoiding the truth. How many times I've found out about some tool
or product or something for the first time and though, damnit, how did I
not know about this already!? Targeted advertising, you have failed me!

It happened today actually. Someone showed me a device called Leap Motion,
and seriously, its amazing. How did I miss this thing?

The whole idea of Targeted advertising is that it tells you about things
you DO want to buy. They invent stuff so fast these days its hard to keep
up. I'm counting on Google (or whoever) knowing what I like and telling me
about it. Do I have to buy it? No, I still have the illusion of free will,
so all is good.

p.s. For those clinging to the belief we are human beings, not numbers...
Break it all down to the purest form and we are numbers. Maths, physics,
Chemistry. etc. We are numbers. You think that's air you're breathing?
Hmm...

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote:

 Or:

 7) Sit on your arse in front of the TV watching endless shit for dickheads
 ads for stuff you DON'T want and revel in your new freedom.

 I must be the only person here who thinks that targeted ads are a good
 idea. Endless ads for boat add-ons and things I can BBQ pork with ... Mmmm
 pork. Imagine if TV was that good.

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 On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 5.) Delete all social media accounts.
 6.) Stop using any device that's connected. I forget the name of it but
 there is a security rating (class C? I forget) where no connectivity, no
 keyboard no monitor and no external drives are required. Or something along
 those lines.
 7.) Become Amish.

 On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Stuart Kinnear stu...@skproactive.com
 wrote:

 There is a few things you can do.

 1) use DuckDuckGo as your search provider
 2) remove all your history from Chrome (and the other browsers for that
 matter). - I got a shock and found over 155000 entries in my history dating
 back some years
 3) only run your browser in private mode
  For Chrome:
 C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
 --incognito

 Ditto for Internet Explorer and FireFox, though off hand I cannot
 remember the command line shortcuts.

  Oh, and don't forget your phone's settings !

 4) Make sure you always log out of Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn  and any
 other social media account.


 Regards, Stuart




 On 21 December 2014 at 10:58, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you use Chrome? Do you search while signed into a Google account?

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, a couple of days ago I ran a Google search for a set of
 fine-tipped pens, found them at Officeworks, and went down and bought them
 (as well as some paper and other stuff). This evening I went to this web
 page:


 http://www.myerrorsandmysolutions.com/how-to-install-certificates-file-cer-on-microsoft-windows-phone-based-devices/
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myerrorsandmysolutions.com%2Fhow-to-install-certificates-file-cer-on-microsoft-windows-phone-based-devices%2Fsi=6200614728499200pi=9e5263a5-4dbd-47e4-f88e-a91272819878

 In the middle of the page is a huge ad for the exact same pens that I
 bought. The URL of the ad is (truncated):

 http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleadservices.com%2Fpagead%2Faclksi=6200614728499200pi=9e5263a5-4dbd-47e4-f88e-a91272819878?
 [cut] adurl=
 http://www.megaofficesupplies.com.au/pelikan-artline-draw-system-pen-6-nib-sizes-1-2-3-4-5-8-black-wallet-6/%3Fdfw_tracker%3D2252-8735
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http

Re: WP - prepare for universal app development in Windows 10

[Stephen Price]

Universal apps are lovely.

there you go.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 It’s interesting to read the comments, and the Microsoft replies – about
 what is currently missing from “universal” and why Silverlight is more
 suitable, at present.


 Good grief! I didn't previously scroll down to see those comments. I don't
 think this migration to WinRT should have been announced until all of the
 glaring omissions were available. Alarms, reminders, copy-paste, local
 database, WCF (they must be kidding, or can't talk to anything)... The
 whole RT and winmd files thing leaves me bewildered by more divergence and
 too many choices, everything is fragmenting without a clear goal in sight.
 Has anyone got anything nice to say about universal apps?-- *Greg K*

Re: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

[Stephen Price]

So how come when I ring up the ATO they don't know who I am? ;)

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 You can lodge a BAS with the ATO using it. (You can’t with IE 11)…


 That means that Google and the NSA now have full access to our tax
 records ;-)

Re: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

[Stephen Price]

There lays the reason why I'm not worried about people (and computers)
collecting my information. Most of it will be lost. ;)

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Dec 2014, at 5:54 pm, Greg Harris g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
wrote:

because they know everything about you but their computer system are so
@#$%^* that they can not help any of their staff to do their job!
(does this feel like Friday?)

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 So how come when I ring up the ATO they don't know who I am? ;)

 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 You can lodge a BAS with the ATO using it. (You can’t with IE 11)…


 That means that Google and the NSA now have full access to our tax
 records ;-)

Re: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

[Stephen Price]

5.) Delete all social media accounts.
6.) Stop using any device that's connected. I forget the name of it but
there is a security rating (class C? I forget) where no connectivity, no
keyboard no monitor and no external drives are required. Or something along
those lines.
7.) Become Amish.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Stuart Kinnear stu...@skproactive.com
wrote:

 There is a few things you can do.

 1) use DuckDuckGo as your search provider
 2) remove all your history from Chrome (and the other browsers for that
 matter). - I got a shock and found over 155000 entries in my history dating
 back some years
 3) only run your browser in private mode
  For Chrome:
 C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
 --incognito

 Ditto for Internet Explorer and FireFox, though off hand I cannot
 remember the command line shortcuts.

  Oh, and don't forget your phone's settings !

 4) Make sure you always log out of Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn  and any
 other social media account.


 Regards, Stuart




 On 21 December 2014 at 10:58, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you use Chrome? Do you search while signed into a Google account?

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, a couple of days ago I ran a Google search for a set of
 fine-tipped pens, found them at Officeworks, and went down and bought them
 (as well as some paper and other stuff). This evening I went to this web
 page:


 http://www.myerrorsandmysolutions.com/how-to-install-certificates-file-cer-on-microsoft-windows-phone-based-devices/
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myerrorsandmysolutions.com%2Fhow-to-install-certificates-file-cer-on-microsoft-windows-phone-based-devices%2Fsi=6200614728499200pi=9e5263a5-4dbd-47e4-f88e-a91272819878

 In the middle of the page is a huge ad for the exact same pens that I
 bought. The URL of the ad is (truncated):

 http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleadservices.com%2Fpagead%2Faclksi=6200614728499200pi=9e5263a5-4dbd-47e4-f88e-a91272819878?
 [cut] adurl=
 http://www.megaofficesupplies.com.au/pelikan-artline-draw-system-pen-6-nib-sizes-1-2-3-4-5-8-black-wallet-6/%3Fdfw_tracker%3D2252-8735
 http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8MG4N4WJpKqQK4kWF2mHLdh7Wljf19pFfl03?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.megaofficesupplies.com.au%2Fpelikan-artline-draw-system-pen-6-nib-sizes-1-2-3-4-5-8-black-wallet-6%2F%253Fdfw_tracker%253D2252-8735si=6200614728499200pi=9e5263a5-4dbd-47e4-f88e-a91272819878

 I'm really, REALLY pissed off. I hate ads, I hate being tracked, I have
 a tiny set of white-listed cookies, I erase my browsing history every few
 days, and I didn't put anything that could identify me in any web pages in
 the last few days. So how the f***nig hell is this possible?! This is
 insidious, frightening and depressing.

 *Greg K*





 --

 -
 Stuart Kinnear
 Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

 SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
 acn. 81 072 778 262
 PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

 Business software developers.
 SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.

 -

Re: [OT] Reading list

[Stephen Price]

While on the subject of books, I highly recommend Safari Flow (actually its
been renamed www.safaribooksonline.com). Their books subscription used to
be several levels, one where you could read all of their books and a lower
priced one which worked like a library where you could check out a
certain number of books per month. They trialed a new beta version a year
or so ago called Safari Flow and it must have gone well because its
essentially replaced their main book service.

I don't work for them but I used it during the beta. It's brilliant. Its
targeted at developers primarily and recommends reading based on what you
like (and read) as you go. It also tries to break things down into smaller
chunks (so recommends chapters rather than whole books). The best part is
when you are skilling up in a new language or tech, you have access to just
about all the books on that topic. They add to their library all the time
and also have video training (with transcripts).

So when someone recommended Code by Charles (I'd not heard of it before) I
typed in Charles Petzold in the search, saw the book and hit the Queue
button. It's now queued for me to read later. It's not too expensive
(especially compared to the old version of Safari Books), and cheaper if
you pay per year rather than monthly. I especially like how a chapter is
loaded in one go and you basically scroll down the web page. No page
loading/turning except when you want the next chapter. There's an iOS app
called Safari Queue that lets you read them offline (and their mobile app
is just as good on Android/WP8).

Go check it out and thank me later. ;)


On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great thanks guys, hadn't heard of that book anywhere else

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 4 December 2014 at 09:49, Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA) 
 andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:

  +1 – Code is a really good read.



 Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1
 Epping Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
 Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 •
 http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Preet Sangha
 *Sent:* Thursday, 4 December 2014 9:35 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Reading list



 I personally think aside from all the great books listed. Every
 programmer should read Code - by Petzold. At some point software has to
 magically jump into hardware and every programmer should have at least the
 modicum of understanding at this level.



 On 4 December 2014 at 11:02, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks Greg, have been meaning to get the CLR via C# book everybody
 talks about



 Thanks

 Tom



 On 3 December 2014 at 22:31, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

What are some must read books for a newbie .NET developer? There are
 so many so I thought I'd ask the experienced folk here.



 I've raved about these book in previous years. You can't consider
 yourself a serious .NET developer if you don't have one of these books
 within reach at all times:



 *C# 5.0 in a Nutshell* (Joseph Albahari, author of LINQPad)

 *CLR via C#* (Jeffrey Richter)



 Once you've memorised those two and feel more confident, rewire your
 brain to look at problems and solve them in a different way:



 *Expert F#* (Don Syme et al)



 Cheers,

 Greg K









 --

 regards,
 Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland

Re: TraceSource without config

[Stephen Price]

They need to make them JSON as well. (like they did/are doing with project
files.)
They are just INI files in disguise. :)

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Chaps, I saw that page, and the code makes sense, but it's an unrealistic
 example as the same program makes the trace source and listens to it.

 Last week I created a static TraceSource in one of my general purpose
 libraries, hoping to imitate what some of the Framework classes do, then I
 found that the only way to listen to the library was with a config file
 wiring up the listeners. I didn't want consuming applications (including my
 own) to have to bother with creating config sections, and in some cases
 config files are troublesome. That's when I found it seemed impossible to
 create the listeners programmatically. I'm still pondering...

 I have always been rather bewildered and confused by config files since
 Framework 1.0. They're convenient and readable for basic scenarios, but if
 you need dynamic configuration then you're often trawling the web for magic
 tricks (WCF and log4net are classic examples). Even after all these years I
 still find config file examples that contain mysterious things and I wonder
 is that a standard Framework config section or did someone just invent it?

 *Greg K*

 On 3 December 2014 at 09:54, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Greg

 According to the following page you can have the defaults in the
 configuration file and override things in code as you need dynamically

 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228984(v=vs.110).aspx

 Still need entries in a config file but they can be overridden which is
 good

 Thanks
 Tom

 On 2 December 2014 at 17:38, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, many parts of the FCL (like Remoting and WCF) write trace
 information out to a TraceSource class, presumably like this (does this
 look right?):

 private TraceSource ts = new TraceSource(My.Library, SourceLevels.All);
 :
 ts.TraceInformation(Hello world!);

 The only way I can find at the moment to listen to what a library like
 that is tracing is to put something like this in the App's config file:

   system.diagnostics
 sources
   source name=My.Library
 listeners
   add name=consListener
 type=System.Diagnostics.ConsoleTraceListener/
 /listeners
   /source
 /sources
   /system.diagnostics

 Does anyone know how bypass the config section to do this in code? I've
 been fiddling and searching the web but every example or tutorial I find
 uses a config file.

 *Greg K*

Re: [OT] Turning off outgoing mail possible?

[Stephen Price]

I always marvel at how people use email for business. As if it were
guaranteed delivery. The technology has been around longer than the
internet and I'd not be surprised if its not been changed in all that time.
I'd like to hope it has but not looked into it. Might put that on my
weekend reading list. Right after a few marvel comics. :)
On Nov 28, 2014 4:12 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bec,

 The mail client might let you drag an email into sent items.

 Email is not guaranteed to be delivered. That's not part of the spec
 (though you might be able to interpret it that way).

 So they could have sent it and you still might receive it next week, or
 never...

 Isn't that just peachy?

 --
 Regards,
 noonie
 On 28/11/2014 5:17 pm, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry everyone but this one is way way off topic.

 Someone claims to have sent me an email. I never received it- yes I
 checked the Junk folder :-)
 They've shown me their mailbox and its sitting in the Sent folder.

 Can someone with control of their web domain send an email, have it pop
 into the Sent items folder but not actually send? Say by somehow turning
 off (or providing a faulty) outgoing mail server setting or similar?

 Cheers

Re: Duplicate matching

[Stephen Price]

Am curious, is the idea of the exercise to write your own code to solve the
problem, or to solve the problem? I've used Treesize pro to find file
duplicates in the past. Also have used Directory Opus to find duplicates.
Great for finding identical files with different names. Probably won't help
if the songs are the same song but from a different source. Your file name
pattern matching code would be the way to go. (Which is also the case if
this is a programming exercise :)

Maybe I'm a lazy coder,  I usually look for someone elses product/code
before writing my own. I can see the benefit of writing your own too.

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Thanks Greg H, the weighting is a very interesting idea. I'm running
 some simple experiments now with a word list and an inverted list of file
 names, just to help me picture the problem in my head. The problem with a
 weighting comparison is that I don't know what to compare with what,
 comparing 20,000 file names with every other one might run into the next
 ice age. However, I like the weighting idea, so I might finish up with a
 hybrid algorithm. I'll let you know if anything interesting arises out of
 this -- *Greg K*

 On 29 November 2014 at 11:17, Greg Harris g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
 wrote:

 Hi Greg,


 I should look at my code before I write comments from memory...

 The result is a *double *value being the sum of:

 · number of times the same letter appears in both strings

 · 10 times the number of times the same two letters appears in
 both strings

 · 100 times the number of times the same three letters appears
 in both strings

 *Which is then divided by the length of the two strings to sort of
 “normalise” the result.*

 Mixed case is ignored, only compares letters A-Z and 0-9, everything else
 is excluded.

 I added a Greg unit test to better show the results which is following…


 Regards

 Greg Harris



 [TestMethod] public void Test_10_Compare3_ForGregKeogh()

 {

   //
 123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-12456

   string lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO
 Concert).mp3;

   string lTestLine2 = Trumpet Concerto (William Lovelock).mp3;

   double lExpected  = 3033/(36.0 + 33.0); // = 43.9

   double lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This is an example of exactly the same string, so will get the
 best posible match

   lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

   lTestLine2 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

   lExpected  = 5256/(36.0 + 36.0); // = 73.0

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This is an example of exactly the same string, with case
 difference, which is ignored,

   // so will also get the best possible match

   lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

   lTestLine2 = LOVELOCK - TRUMPET CONCERTO (SSO CONCERT).mp3;

   lExpected  = 5256/(36.0 + 36.0); // = 73.0

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This is an example of a spelling/typing mistake, so will get a
 very good match

   lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

   lTestLine2 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SoSo Concert).mp3;

   lExpected  = 5272/(36.0 + 37.0); // = 72.2

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This is an example of a truncation, so will get a poor match

   lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

   lTestLine2 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto.mp3;

   lExpected  = 3237/(36.0 + 26.0); // = 52.2

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This will get a match on William and a little else...

   lTestLine1 = Trumpet Concerto (William Lovelock).mp3;

   lTestLine2 = The Complete Works of William Shakespeare.txt;

   lExpected  = 1202/(33.0 + 39.0); // = 16.69

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This will get a match on each of the letters, but no double
 letters

   lTestLine1 = QWERTY;

   lTestLine2 = ytrewq;

   lExpected  = 6/(6.0 + 6.0); // = 0.5

   lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

   Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



   // This will get a match on nothing

   lTestLine1 = QWERTY;

   lTestLine2 = ASDFGHJKL;

   lExpected  = 0/(6.0 + 9.0); // = 0.0

   

Re: Duplicate matching

[Stephen Price]

Beyond compare has a dedicated viewer for MP3 files but it looks like it
compares the tags not the actual audio. I think for comparing files and
folders it's awesome but not sure if it can be used to find the duplicates
in a single folder. Also it would need the MP3 tags to be correct (which
there are tools for and I think this list has discussed music tools
previously)

As a side note I deleted all of my music and use music subscriptions now.
Switched between several and have finally settled (for now) on Google music
pass. So I don't have the problem of duplicate music now :)

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Nov 2014, at 9:54 am, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

Yes, I use Treesize (Professional) when I need to discover files on disks.
I’ve had to do it remotely using TeamViewer – hence the Pro version – but a
free version and also a trial of the Pro version are available as I recall.
It’s worth a try.

But I’m interested in the algorithm and the code, since it might be useful
within a program of mine and also in a personal scenario similar to Greg
K’s.


--

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:30 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Duplicate matching



Am curious, is the idea of the exercise to write your own code to solve the
problem, or to solve the problem? I've used Treesize pro to find file
duplicates in the past. Also have used Directory Opus to find duplicates.
Great for finding identical files with different names. Probably won't help
if the songs are the same song but from a different source. Your file name
pattern matching code would be the way to go. (Which is also the case if
this is a programming exercise :)



Maybe I'm a lazy coder,  I usually look for someone elses product/code
before writing my own. I can see the benefit of writing your own too.



On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

Thanks Greg H, the weighting is a very interesting idea. I'm running some
simple experiments now with a word list and an inverted list of file names,
just to help me picture the problem in my head. The problem with a
weighting comparison is that I don't know what to compare with what,
comparing 20,000 file names with every other one might run into the next
ice age. However, I like the weighting idea, so I might finish up with a
hybrid algorithm. I'll let you know if anything interesting arises out of
this -- *Greg K*



On 29 November 2014 at 11:17, Greg Harris g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
wrote:

Hi Greg,



I should look at my code before I write comments from memory...

The result is a *double *value being the sum of:

· number of times the same letter appears in both strings

· 10 times the number of times the same two letters appears in both
strings

· 100 times the number of times the same three letters appears in
both strings

*Which is then divided by the length of the two strings to sort of
“normalise” the result.*

Mixed case is ignored, only compares letters A-Z and 0-9, everything else
is excluded.

I added a Greg unit test to better show the results which is following…



Regards

Greg Harris



[TestMethod] public void Test_10_Compare3_ForGregKeogh()

{

  //   123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-12456

  string lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO
Concert).mp3;

  string lTestLine2 = Trumpet Concerto (William Lovelock).mp3;

  double lExpected  = 3033/(36.0 + 33.0); // = 43.9

  double lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

  Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



  // This is an example of exactly the same string, so will get the
best posible match

  lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

  lTestLine2 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

  lExpected  = 5256/(36.0 + 36.0); // = 73.0

  lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

  Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



  // This is an example of exactly the same string, with case
difference, which is ignored,

  // so will also get the best possible match

  lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

  lTestLine2 = LOVELOCK - TRUMPET CONCERTO (SSO CONCERT).mp3;

  lExpected  = 5256/(36.0 + 36.0); // = 73.0

  lResult= lTestLine1.CompareSoundsLike( lTestLine2 );

  Assert.AreEqualdouble( lExpected, lResult );



  // This is an example of a spelling/typing mistake, so will get a
very good match

  lTestLine1 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SSO Concert).mp3;

  lTestLine2 = Lovelock - Trumpet Concerto (SoSo Concert).mp3;

  lExpected  = 5272/(36.0 + 37.0); // = 72.2

  lResult

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

Also, I propose we rename the list into the OzDevLaptop elist, and make
.Net coding questions [OT]. We talk about dev rigs more often than coding.

Is it Friday yet?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

 In Australia not in NZ so didn't see it. Read reviews and it's even
 better. The ability to turn it into a tablet and the screen resolution are
 phenomenal.
 On 26 Nov 2014 20:27, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Dave

 Thanks I will check it out. I see there's a Yoga 3 also.

 Thanks
 Tom

 On 26 November 2014 at 18:14, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lenovo yoga 2 pro are awesome. Well worth checking out.
 On 26 Nov 2014 19:50, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Stephen

 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list
 a while ago but I forgot all about it.

 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13 has me concerned. I may
 go with 15.

 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.

 I'll check out the XPS 15.

 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 Welcome Tom!
 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the 
 longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where 
 a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.

 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
 stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
 laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
 gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want 
 to
 be sociable in the same room).
 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
 RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
 down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
 that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
 portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
 battery life by a huge margin.

 That said, the real answer is it depends. You need to look at what
 you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had
 a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed 
 with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.
 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay 
 the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

 HTH

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it 
 for
 development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
 experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?

 Thanks
 Tom

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let you
put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb RAM
and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
targeted ones? (like XPS)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) g...@greglow.com wrote:

  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
 core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
 memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
 used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
 I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
 with it.



 Regards,



 Greg



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 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob



 Hi Stephen



 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
 while ago but I forgot all about it.



 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13 has me concerned. I may
 go with 15.



 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.



 I'll check out the XPS 15.



 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?



 Thanks

 Tom





 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

  Welcome Tom!

 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)



 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.



 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
 with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
 (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
 mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
 in the same room).

 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
 limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
 The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
 lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
 and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
 a huge margin.



 That said, the real answer is it depends. You need to look at what you
 want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
 Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.

 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)



 HTH



 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi



 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.



 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
 development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
 experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?



 Thanks

 Tom

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4


 https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Stephen

 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
 while ago but I forgot all about it.

 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13 has me concerned. I may
 go with 15.

 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.

 I'll check out the XPS 15.

 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 Welcome Tom!
 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.

 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
 stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
 laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
 gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to
 be sociable in the same room).
 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
 limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
 The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
 lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
 and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
 a huge margin.

 That said, the real answer is it depends. You need to look at what you
 want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
 Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.
 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

 HTH

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
 development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
 experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?

 Thanks
 Tom






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Re: X509 certificate and trust

[Stephen Price]

Hey Greg

In the past I've handed the Silverlight xap file something random (lets
call it a key to get in) in the init parameters. The client then gives that
back to the WCF service as proof that the Xap file was launched by a known
web server. You could renew it periodically or let it run for that session
and next time it runs it gets a different key. I'm sure there are other
ways but this one skips the whole log in requirement. You could also use
standard web authentication before they get to the Silverlight page too so
the user would have to log in before getting a key/Xap.

YMMV

cheers
Stephen
p.s. you could also give back the spec (for more clarification) and tell
them its too vague, but I know that that's not always an option.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, I have a Silverlight Phone app that talks to a WCF service. The
 spec says that phones must *prove* to the service that they are
 legitimate and trusted. I figure therefore that I will stuff something in
 the message headers of each call that can't be forged to prove a phone has
 legitimate client software ... but what?

 The spec is vague and does not specify any kind of login method or
 handshake to establish trust.

 To confuse matters, I've been given a pair of X509 certificates (as cer
 and pfx files) without any hint about what to do with them. So I've been
 reading about X509's for hours, but I can't figure out if they're of any
 help in this situation or not. All the sample code I've found using
 certificates is for the full CLR and not for the Silverlight CLR where many
 classes are smaller or missing. I can't figure out how to use X509s for
 solving my problem (if they are of any use).

 Any suggestions from crypto protocol boffins out there?

 *Greg K*

Re: X509 certificate and trust

[Stephen Price]

And then I read your email a second time and notice you said Silverlight
PHONE app. Perhaps you could use something similar... but as it's not
hosted on a web server, but instead its on the phone that might not work.
Perhaps a call to a server with a login where a key is given out for that
session? Or something that is harder to fake, like a phone ID (can you set
up a list of authorised devices on server or is it a public facing app
where anyone could be connecting?)

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, I have a Silverlight Phone app that talks to a WCF service. The
 spec says that phones must *prove* to the service that they are
 legitimate and trusted. I figure therefore that I will stuff something in
 the message headers of each call that can't be forged to prove a phone has
 legitimate client software ... but what?

 The spec is vague and does not specify any kind of login method or
 handshake to establish trust.

 To confuse matters, I've been given a pair of X509 certificates (as cer
 and pfx files) without any hint about what to do with them. So I've been
 reading about X509's for hours, but I can't figure out if they're of any
 help in this situation or not. All the sample code I've found using
 certificates is for the full CLR and not for the Silverlight CLR where many
 classes are smaller or missing. I can't figure out how to use X509s for
 solving my problem (if they are of any use).

 Any suggestions from crypto protocol boffins out there?

 *Greg K*