Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 25 Apr 2002 at 21:23, Debra Wilborn wrote:
 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
 angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
 third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
 some feedback from the group.

SMC Pentax-A 2.8/24
24mm is one of my most used focal lengths. I've also tried 
the Tamron (Adaptall2) 2.5/24 and the Vivitar 2/24. All of them
are good lenses, but the Pentax's coating and handling is
much better than the other two.

Other wideangles I use:
Tokina 3.5/17 SL
Cosinon-W 2/28
SMC Pentax-M 2/35


Gabor
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Re: What is the most quiet body? Leica?! Ha ha...

2002-04-26 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

CL Ha ha. Nope. My digital with the sound turned off is totally, totally silent.
[...]
CL Sony Digital (Sound turned off)

Hey Chris, you must have got the D770, no :) With Drive Mode II, it
doesn't do ANY sound at all...

Works greatly for some very shy models. I am just fiddlign with the camera
not shooting ... while I take 50-60 shots already on the compact
flash card...

Well, Leica has one definite advantage: the film offers up to 40x60cm
enlargements with heartbreaking quality... the digital not. But that
would be another thread :)


Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Split Image Or Not Split Image

2002-04-26 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 6:30:07 PM, Cotty wrote:
My little Leica CL (a rangefinder) obviously has split image and couldn't 
do without that ;-)

Really, Cotty? Not a coincident-image (superimposing) rangefinder, like all 
other RF cameras I'm aware of?

C Oh yeah, well, you know what I mean - I mean, I knew what I meant, I 
C mean, oh Hell. Forget it!

C I don't need to see through viefinders to see double images!

C Best,

C Cotty

Actually, Cotty, you were right! The Leicas (and the Minolta CL) use
split-image rangefinder! In addition to coincident image RF, the edges
of which are a clear cut, so you can focus AT THE EDGE of it. It was
found by tests that this arrangement of both split-image and
coincident can improve focus accuracy by 50%...

Frantisek
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Flavio Minelli

Stan Halpin wrote:
 
 ...
 
 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right to me for a
 wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye guys, don't laugh!) and
 28mm seems kinda blah.
 ...

I had a SMCA 28/2.8 and a Vivitar 19/3.8 for a long time. Being the
Vivitar what it is (not so good, really) I used mainly the 28. This
until I got a SMCK 24/2.8, now I think I'm addicted. 28mm FOV seems to
generate in me about the same reaction it does in Stan...blah. I think
I could get rid of it as it haven't seen daylight in a long time.

24mm rules!

Ciao, Flavio
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Paul Stenquist

Hi Shel,
The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the
baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up the column,
slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much
lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes
about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens
on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table arrangement. I
don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some
time over the weekend if you'd like that info.
Paul

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Paul,
 
 Using the 105mm, at about what height will you get a full-frame print on
 11x14 and 8x10 paper?  Likewise a print that will fill an 8x10 and 11x14
 with absolute minimal cropping, i.e, taking the neg to fill the narrow
 part of the paper?
 
 Working with Bruce's 6x7 negative I found that I'd prefer a little more
 space between the lens and the easel than I get with an 80mm lens.  BTW,
 those big negs are nice smile
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  I'm using a 100/5.6 Schneider Componon-S. It will give me up to about
  18x22 on my dropped table with the Omega DII.
 
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Thanks Paul.  I'll just get the approximate measurements from my D2.

Are you satisfied with the quality of the Componon-S.  I'm wondering if 
there'd be a noticeable difference between it and an APO Rodagon-N. 
Fortunately a friend as the Rodagon-N, so getting at least one sample to 
try should be easy and inexpensive.  He's raving about his 50mm/2.8 and 
his 80mm Rodagons, and has said the difference between them and his 
earlier El Nikkors is quite obvious.  Oh well ... maybe I better get some 
sleep.


The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the
baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up the column,
slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much
lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes
about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens
on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table arrangement. 
I
don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some
time over the weekend if you'd like that info.
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My own solution for the Z1-p cable release

2002-04-26 Thread Flavio Minelli

Following Maciej's lead I managed to put up a page with the images of my
homemade cable release.
Feel free to have a look...

http://space.tin.it/arte/flamin/cblrelz1p.html

Ciao, Flavio
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RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

You have to remember.  It's not a game, it's an auction.  You are not a
winner, you are the highest bidder. You bid more for it than any other
bidder was willing to pay for it. Thinking of it as a game and winning is
what ebay encourages. It gets people's adrenalin flowing and they tend to
bid tooo high in order to win.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: J. Gerace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Portrait lens recommendations?


O.K. - you're starting to scare me.: )  I just 'won' a Pentax 
Takumar 135 2.5 lens on e-bay for $100.Is this bad?

Julia

James Adams wrote:

Peter wrote
Well, I am shooting on the 135mm F2.5 Takumar at present.

Although I have both the Super Tak 135mm f3.5 and SMC Tak 135mm f3.5
lenses,
I have tended to use my  SMC Takumar 105mm f2.8 for Portraits.

Now that I'm starting BW again, I might experiment with 135mm lenses.
James
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FA: FA*24/2 and Circular Polarizer

2002-04-26 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

I have an FA*24/2 for sale, excellent condition with caps, bag and original
box. Also comes with a 67mm B+W circular polarizer (used) or a brand new
Arrow 67mm circular polarizer.

Price $300, shipping World Wide $15 including insurance.

if no one wants it then it goes on ebay.

Please email me off list.

Regards,
Paul Jones
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RE: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Alan Abbott

I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this is a
silly question.
Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the print
so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print nearer?
I have a Durst 605 with colour head and I am still at the point of
'learning' the characteristics of what I have.
Alan


Paul wrote:
 Hi Shel,
 The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the
 baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up 
 the column,
 slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much
 lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes
 about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens
 on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table 
 arrangement. I
 don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some
 time over the weekend if you'd like that info.
 Paul
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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Lets see,
Althought the SMCT 15mm is the coolest,
I've got plenty of wide angle action:

35mm Format:

Screwmounts

15mm 3.5 SMCT -AWESOME BABY
17mm 4 SMCT Fisheye
20mm 4.5 SMCT
21mm 4 Mamiya SX BEATS THE 20mm PENTAX SMCT
24mm 3.5 SMCT
28mm 3.5 SMCT
28mm 1.9 Vivitar Series 1 VERY NICE
35mm 2.0 SMCT (yellowed a bit)
35mm 2.0 Super Tak ( 67mm filter) BEST 35mm
35mm 3.5 SMCT
28-85mm 4.0 Tokina RMC FANTASTIC for a zoom
45-125mm 4.0 SMCT GREAT ZOOM

Kmounts

24mm 2.8 Sigma
28mm 3.5 M
28-50mm M
45-125mm SMCP GREAT ZOOM

6X7 Format:

45mm 4.0 SMCP EXCELLENTE
55mm 3.5 SMCT
75mm 4.5 SMCT
90mm 2.8 SMCT LS

4X5 Format

135mm I Forget the brand

Hm,
only 21 to choose from.
That 15mm SMCT still takes the cake.
The 45mm for 67 is a close second though.
I need a 75mm for my speed graphic, especially
as I'm getting a scanner than can cover it.
JCO
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Re: LX/MX Screens: which is your favo(u)rite/most used

2002-04-26 Thread moesg

I agree, I have the grid screens for both the MX and LX, I think they help 
with composition; however, the matt can be hard to focus. I also like the SC 
series screens matt with the microprisim center. I think the ultimate screen 
for me would be a combination, a grid with a microprism center.

Geoff



 Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
  On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 02:16  PM, Christian Skofteland wrote:
 
   3. The grid on the LX screen REALLY helps me with composition (my
   greatest
   challange).  Not only that, since using it, I've had fewer tilted
   horizons!
 
  Me too.  Now that I finally have a wide angle lens for my 67, I've
  decided I need a grid screen for it, too.
 
 Yes Aaron, you do.  The grid screen is fantastic.  I am keen to try some
 faster lenses with it because I do find the 300mm f/4 a little hard to
 focus accurately.  The 45mm f/4 isn't as critical.  Maybe I'll go looking
 for a secondhand 90/2.8 while I'm over here.
 
 If I ever get an LX I will definitely hunt down a grid screen for it.
 
 BTW I must have missed which wide-angle you got...
 
 Cheers,
 
 - Dave.
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Why you should always have a camerea.

2002-04-26 Thread Evan Hanson

I live in the flight path of a local Air Reserve Base, so I've
become accustomed to seeing large planes skim over the tree
tops.  Last night however, I missed a great photo opportunity
because I had left my camera in its bag.  As I was walking my dog
around dusk I heard the familiar roar of the C-130 Hercules.  As
I looked up I saw the plane with all of its lights running lumber
closer until it reached a point which would have corresponded to
about a 100 mm lens.  The plane was framed perfectly by the trees
with the full moon beside it all set against the deep blue of the
sky.  When will I ever learn?
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Re: Price questions

2002-04-26 Thread David Brooks

 Begin Original Message 

From: Bowman, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:36:23 -0300
To: Pentax Discussion Group (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Price questions


Need some advice on the pricing of a few used items...

1. Pentax AF 35-70 Macro zoom; used in great shape. $150 Canadian.

No experience

2. Pentax Z-1p body, used in good shape, $650 Canadian.

Saw two last year at the big Henrys store for under $600 Can

3. Pentax SF1 body, used in good shape, $295 Canadian.

Bought body and 35-70 macro zoom for this price Can

Prices sound reasonable?
Dave Brooks

Cheers,
John
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right
 to me for a wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye
 guys, don't laugh!) and 28mm seems kinda blah.

Obviously this is a very personal thing, but I prefer 20mm for an
all-around wide-angle focal length.  I also find 28mm sometimes a
bit blah (as in not really all that wide), but I also find that
24mm, while different, is not overly different.  On the other hand,
it seems to me that 15mm is too extreme for a lot of wide-angle
shooting (it's mostly for very specialized images) (and the 15/3.5
is too big to carry around just in case anyway), so (for me) 20mm
is the sweet spot for most wide-angle situations.  But, as I said,
this is a very personal thing.

Fred
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Re: Why you should always have a camerea.

2002-04-26 Thread Evan Hanson

Sigh.  Obviously meant that it reached a point where the field of
view would have corresponded to a 100 mm lens.  Morning need
caffeine.

Evan Hanson wrote:
 
until it reached a point which would have corresponded to
 about a 100 mm lens.
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 Just a quick question. What is your prefered wide angle lens? I
 have been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably
 around 24mm, and wanted some feedback from the group.

My choice for preferred (i.e., my most used) w/a is the A 20/2.8.
It's compact, sharp, has great contrast, never vignettes with
filters, and I do like 20mm for an all-around w/a focal length.

Fred
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread wendy beard

At 01:47 26-4-2002 -0400, you wrote:
From: Debra Wilborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Favorite wide lens?

Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
some feedback from the group.

Buenos noches,
Deb

My favourite is the Pentax-M 20mm. I don't tend to use the 24-28-35 lenses 
I have/had. I either use the 20mm or the Tamron SP 17mm f3.5 but the first 
one is my favourite.

Wendy

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Re: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Pentxuser

You know, I would like to make the argument that no lens really sucks. It's 
all about how you use it. There's certainly more to a lens then how sharp it 
is. In fact, when it comes to a portrait lens, I'm not sure sharpness should 
be the number one criteria. No one wants to count the pores on someone's 
nose. I have seen some exceptional shots from the Pentax 85mm soft lens. 
Which, by many of the standards being discussed here, is an absolutely 
garbage lens. It's made to be soft and it works beautifully. Other 
photographers add filters, jelly etc to make a lens perform badly. If 
sharpness is what's important, we would use nothing but macro lenses...



In a message dated 4/26/02 12:42:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But why?  What's so bad about it?  What type of distortion or aberrations
does it show?  If you haven't shot with it yourself and observed the
faults that others mention, then all you're doing is passing on received
opinions in the guise of observed evidence.  This is how rumours,
fictional or otherwise, get passed on.  If you've never shot with this
lens and observed its flaws, then say something like I've heard that...
so the questioner doesn't get the wrong idea.  If you *have* shot with it,
then a more detailed description of its faults than an it sucks  post
would be a good idea.  Not trying to criticize, just point out some stuff.

chris


On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Nitin Garg wrote:

 The takumar bayonet lenses were cheap consumer grade k-mount lenses.
 not worth $100 at all. There are better performing lenses available for
 less.
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more than
twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe not,
2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more compact,
has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the build
quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got the 24mm.
I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been collecting
dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.
  

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Re: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Pentxuser

I can't agree more. The way I see it (and this won't be popular) with the 
rare exception, if you're a winner on ebay you're really the loser. The 
winner is most often the seller.  

In a message dated 4/26/02 5:45:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You have to remember.  It's not a game, it's an auction.  You are not a

winner, you are the highest bidder. You bid more for it than any other

bidder was willing to pay for it. Thinking of it as a game and winning is

what ebay encourages. It gets people's adrenalin flowing and they tend to

bid tooo high in order to win.


Len
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Color correction in PHotoshop

2002-04-26 Thread Albano_Garcia

HELP!
What do you use for color correction. I find curves a nightmare. There is a
way to use levels to do this? I've to use the eyedropper?
Thanks in advance

AG
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The Digital Look vs. The Film Look

2002-04-26 Thread Albano_Garcia

Hi, gang.
I've become a fan of photocritique.net. One thing that amazes me is how
easy is to know which pictures were taken with digital cameras. They have a
very distinctive look (that sucks, imho).
What do you think about this look? (or lack of?)
Regards

AG
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Re: T-Max is pink?

2002-04-26 Thread Albano_Garcia

Just to finish this alreafy dead thread, I fixed the roll (our fixer was
exhausted) and washed it heavily and the pink is completely gone.
Regards and thanks

Albano
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Fa 31/1.8 Limited
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FONG

2002-04-26 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Subject: FS: enlarger lenses  
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:51:42 -0500  
From: Ken Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace  

These lenses were removed from a mini-lab that I de-commissioned. The
lenses were mounted in a lens holder barrel, so they were virtually
untouched. All are in excellant condition.

(2) 50mm f4 Rodenstock Rodagon. Has lighted f-stop, switch for changing from
click stops to smooth f-setting. Has f-stop preset: pick the f-stop, pull
and rotate the f-stop ring, and the stopped down postion is selected. $50USD
each.

75mm f4.5 Rodenstock Rogonar-S. Has lighted f-stop, switch for changing trom
click stops to smooth f-setting. Has f-stop preset: pick the f-stop, pull
and rotate the f-stop ring, and the stopped down postion is selected. $50USD



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Re: LX/MX Screens: which is your favo(u)rite/most used

2002-04-26 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

I use grid screens in all my cameras.

Pål
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Re: Why you should always have a camerea.

2002-04-26 Thread Bill Owens

I had my MZ-S last night when I saw a white blimp lit from inside at our
local GA airport.  Unfortunately, I had a 75-300 lens attached and wasn't
able to get a shot with the moon in the background.  Did shoot most of a
roll, but was handheld at 1/6-.7 sec, so it remains to be seen if I got
anything worthwhile.

Bill  KG4LOV
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- Original Message -
From: Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Why you should always have a camerea.


 I live in the flight path of a local Air Reserve Base, so I've
 become accustomed to seeing large planes skim over the tree
 tops.  Last night however, I missed a great photo opportunity
 because I had left my camera in its bag.  As I was walking my dog
 around dusk I heard the familiar roar of the C-130 Hercules.  As
 I looked up I saw the plane with all of its lights running lumber
 closer until it reached a point which would have corresponded to
 about a 100 mm lens.  The plane was framed perfectly by the trees
 with the full moon beside it all set against the deep blue of the
 sky.  When will I ever learn?
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Jeff

Wow, what a range for WA's. 17 to 31mm.
I never owned anything wider than a 28mm, but after seeing what a 35mm 645
(equivalent to 23mm) can do, I feel that anything in the 20 to 24mm would be
more interesting than the 28mm view.

Jeff

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Subject: Re: Favorite wide lens?


 Fa 31/1.8 Limited
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Delivery

2002-04-26 Thread Camdir

Another sprog...

Piles of luvverly Limited lenses, and a few other bits. 

And a new toy

A Cosina CSR! With spot meter - apparently. 

How delightful.

Toodle pip

Peter
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Re: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

I strongly disagree with the last comment. As long as one does his
homework (checks used dealers for prices), talks to the seller to
clarify all the questions and keeps within the 70% off KEH rule.
In fact, I think very often it's *safer* to buy on ebay than from a
dealer. On many occasions I had responses from dealers like I cannot
describe the item, I don't have it at hand: too much of inventory,
but it's in an ex[ex+/bgn] condition. Duh! (I did get an ex lens
from Adorama with fungus. Yes, they took it back. But also I lost time
and $20 on shipping charges.)
Most of the ebay sellers, otoh, do take time to answer all the
questions to the best of their abilities.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:45:46 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I can't agree more. The way I see it (and this won't be popular) with
 the 
 rare exception, if you're a winner on ebay you're really the loser. The 
 winner is most often the seller.  

  

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Re: Delivery

2002-04-26 Thread CBWaters

I know it's Friday and all, but Toodle Pip?

Cory Waters

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 How delightful.
 
 Toodle pip
 
 Peter
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Re: Color correction in PHotoshop

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

Levels are fine for most purposes. 
My usual workflow is
-- add a threshold layer
-- set the threshold to the max dark. that would show you the lightest
spots, your white point selection. 
-- with the eye-dropper, mark the spots
-- do the same moving threshold to the max white. here's your white
point
-- open the levels, set the white, black and grey points with the
levels' eyedropper
-- fix the gamma.
this usually takes about than 5 min/scan and covers most situations.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:43:27 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 HELP!
 What do you use for color correction. I find curves a nightmare. There
 is a
 way to use levels to do this? I've to use the eyedropper?
 Thanks in advance
 
 AG

  

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RE: Delivery

2002-04-26 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Peter wrote:
 Another sprog...

 Piles of luvverly Limited lenses, and a few other bits. 

 And a new toy

 A Cosina CSR! With spot meter - apparently. 

 How delightful.

 Toodle pip


Hi Peter,

I'll take one of those toodle pips you're always listing.  I know I don't
have one, and I'm sure I'll need it  VBG  ;-)

Ta ta for now, and have a good weekend!

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 06:18  AM, Alan Abbott wrote:

 I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this 
 is a
 silly question.
 Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the 
 print
 so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print nearer?
 I have a Durst 605 with colour head and I am still at the point of
 'learning' the characteristics of what I have.

Comfort level using the head is one -- if it is at a height that is easy 
to use for you, that's good, especially if you're using a VC head or a 
colour head for multicontrast.  Also, working with the lens is a bit 
easier higher up.  And also, if the lens is too close to the paper, it 
is much harder to burn and dodge without bumping the lens or the head.

-Aaron
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Re: What is the most quiet body?

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Is it funny that I have the quietest Pentax (the ME Super, actually two 
of 'em) and the loudest Pentax (the 67), and that nowadays the 
determining factor in which to take with me is their sound?

-Aaron
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 08:39  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Working with Bruce's 6x7 negative I found that I'd prefer a little more
 space between the lens and the easel than I get with an 80mm lens.  BTW,
 those big negs are nice smile

Shel...your resistance is slowly dissolving...you will join the 
Brotherhood...

-Brother Aaron,
Hypnotic Enabler
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Re: LX/MX Screens: which is your favo(u)rite/most used

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 10:53  AM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BTW I must have missed which wide-angle you got...

No, no, still just the 75mm.  That's wide, just not SUPER wide.

I'm trying to scrape together funds for a 45mm f4 before my treck to 
Prague in June, but seeing as how I'm getting married in just over a 
month, money's a little tight.  Gotta find someone who wants to trade 
something for one.  ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Kenko Converter

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 01:50  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 25/04/02 18:45:56 GMT Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Also, we do not ship
  outside of the United States nor are we set up to accept international 
 credit
  cards.

...except they sell to and ship to Canada.  Shhh.  Maybe let them know 
that you're not a private person, but rather a dealer?

I suppose it doesn't matter if they no longer have the part.

-Aaron
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OT Re: Fw: Nondeliverable mail

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 04:04  PM, Chris Murray wrote:

 On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bill Owens wrote:

 Nope, still bouncing Aaron.
 --Transcript of session follows ---
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 553 5.3.0 Rejected - see http://dsbl.org/faq-listed.html
 Received: from HPAuthorizedCustomer ([66.57.128.254]) by

 Looks like dsbl.org is blocking your isp bill. or arrons isp is 
 blocked :)

Yeah, I saw that.  Passport haven't responded to my inquiries from 
yesterday yet.

-Aaron
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Re: Plastic Developing Reels

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 11:02  PM, William Robb wrote:


 Thanks Tom. Something else to consider spending money on...

AAH CRAP, me too.

Shel, I've always dumped my film into the photoflo off of the reels when 
using plastic, for exactly this reason.  In school, I saw plastic reels 
become so discoloured that it was frightening.

Also, I use a low formaldehyde final bath for E-6 and C-41, so I got 
into the habit of not putting reels in the baths.

I like stainless, and find them much easier to load when slightly wet, 
but I've never found a good stainless 220 reel, and I also have a bad 
habit of dropping things.  In the eight weeks that we had a Wing-Lynch 
processor here (much like a Jobo, but more compact and without a water 
bath, and it takes standard steel reels), I think I wrecked three reels 
by dropping them.  Ow.  I've never broken a plastic reel.

We ditched the Wing-Lynch because it never pumped a consistent amount of 
chemistry, and would underpump as often as it overpumped.  Had service 
people out to see it three times, and it never behaved, so we sent it 
back.  A shame, really, because it was very compact, and when it worked 
properly it did an excellent job.  Of course, it was a demo unit that 
had sat on a showroom floor for five years, only occasionally pumping 
water.

-Aaron
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Re: e-Bay heads-up for 645 buyers

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 09:00  PM, Mishka wrote:

 it's not just Pentex, it's Pentex 645 Boday !

This has me thinking of the episode of 60 Minutes where they took hidden 
cameras into the high pressure New York electronics shops that sold 
Panasoanic phones and the like.

-Aaron
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OT Re: Fw: Nondeliverable mail

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Thanks.  Sorry to clutter the list with this.

-Aaron

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 03:41  PM, Bill Owens wrote:

 Nope, still bouncing Aaron.
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OT Re: Fw: Nondeliverable mail

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 04:44  PM, Bill Owens wrote:

 Or else Aaron got tired of my boring mails and filtered them out ;-)

HAR!  I have exactly two people in my killfile, and I assure you that a) 
you are neither of them, and b) they are both the same person anyways.

-Aaron
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Re: Color correction in PHotoshop

2002-04-26 Thread Flavio Minelli

Albano,

1st try (more difficult but precise):
Image -- Adjust -- Color Balance (Ctrl+B) and adjust the levels
separately for CMY and Hilight/Midtones/Shadows. It's a bit tricky but
it works fine.

2nd try (more visual)
Image -- Adjust -- Variations, same stuff but with thumbnails and
Saturation controls. You can set the unit of variation.

HTH, Flavio
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Flavio Minelli wrote:
This until I got a SMCK 24/2.8, now I think I'm addicted. 28mm FOV seems to 
generate in me about the same reaction it does in Stan...blah. ... 24mm rules! 

Indeed, when they were introduced, the 24s were snapped up by professionals because 
every serious amateur had acquired a 28mm lens and the pros needed something to let 
their prints look different.

It's also interesting how many photojournalists, in the days of primes, seemed to use 
a 24 as their wide-angle lens. With its expansive field of view, it allowed them to be 
in the thick of action and shoot away when there was neither time nor room to pull 
back. 

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Re: Delivery

2002-04-26 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

CBWaters wrote:
 
 I know it's Friday and all, but Toodle Pip?
 

Then chin chin, old fruit..

Bertie
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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

On 26 Apr 2002 at 3:42, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

Apparently the new Leica R 15f2.8 ASPH is the new bench-mark for the FL

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

On 26 Apr 2002 at 8:36, Bob Walkden wrote:

 Putting it in context, I also have very good 21/2.8 and 28/2.8 lenses,
 and have previously also had Pentax A 20/2.8, A 24/2.8 and K 28/2 lenses,
 all of which I liked. But although they are useful and good to have, none
 of them has the overall versatility of the 35mm.

Har,

But you haven't owned the 31mm LTD yet :-)

Seriously (and I've probably said this before) when I was shooting Contax a lot 
had a decent selection of glass but by far my most used lenses were the f1.4 35 
and 85 pair, they just seem to be a perfect pair on the Contax bodies.

I also shot around 90% of my images during my last inter-continental trip using 
my Leica M35f1.4 ASPH and only had the need to go wide on a few occasions.

Cheers,

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Re: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

On 26 Apr 2002 at 8:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't agree more. The way I see it (and this won't be popular) with the 
 rare exception, if you're a winner on ebay you're really the loser. The 
 winner is most often the seller.  

Or..

TheWinner is the enthusiast that has finally found that elusive bit of gear 
that he has been trudging shop to shop and not found for the last ten years?

IE the Seller did him a favour putting the item on the bay.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

I have an optically identical A 15/3.5, and I have to agree with
your summary of its superb qualities, JCO.  However, it still loses
out (along with the A 16/2.8 Fisheye) to my A 20/2.8 for preferred
wide angle lens.  Both the 15/3.5 and (especially) the 16/2.8 are
very specialized lenses, made for very specialized images - images
that the 20/2.8 can't handle.  However, most of my own wide angle
shooting doesn't usually need something ~that~ wide, and the 20/2.8
serves nicely as the proper tool most of the time.  Furthermore, the
bulky (especially the 15/3.5) and rather dear super wide angles
simply don't get carried around very often - they are usually
sitting at home unless I know ahead of time that they would be
useful - while the compact 20/2.8 is almost as portable as a 50mm
normal lens (well, except for the flaring filter flange - g), and
has seen a lot of miles.

But the 15/3.5 is a gem, though, isn't it...  ;-)

Fred
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right
 to me for a wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye
 guys, don't laugh!) and 28mm seems kinda blah.

 Obviously this is a very personal thing, but I prefer 20mm for an
 all-around wide-angle focal length.  I also find 28mm sometimes a
 bit blah (as in not really all that wide), but I also find that
 24mm, while different, is not overly different.  On the other hand,
 it seems to me that 15mm is too extreme for a lot of wide-angle
 shooting (it's mostly for very specialized images) (and the 15/3.5
 is too big to carry around just in case anyway), so (for me) 20mm
 is the sweet spot for most wide-angle situations.  But, as I said,
 this is a very personal thing.

To add an addendum to my opinion:  I used to have an A 24/2.8 (which
is a very nice lens, by the way), but I found that I hardly ever
used it, so I no longer have it.  (I'm sure it is serving another
Pentaxer very well.)  But, you know, I don't miss it at all...

On the other hand, if you took away my 20, I'd feel sort naked -
g.

Fred
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Re: LX/MX Screens: which is your favo(u)rite/most used

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

When I had my MXen I used the plain grid screens mostly. If I as going to
shoot primarily with =35mm, especially low light, I would change back to
the split image, but the grid screens lived in the cameras.

Ciao,
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Re: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread J. Gerace

Thanks So Much, Albano.

I was really starting to think that I screwed up big time.  I think 
it'll be o.k.   (cross your fingers that all goes well with the 
transaction  : )   )  

and Thanks for the compliment - I'm really trying and having a lot of 
fun with it.

Julia

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, Julia.
Don't worry, the lens is not that bad. I owned it and was satisfied with
its performance, except for some flare in some situations. I suggest you to
buy a good deep hood, since the built in is a joke.
I sold it because I bought a zoom wich I thought would replace it (the
atrocious F 100-300), but I would have kept it.
A lot of people talk about it without actually having used one. You know,
in this list there's a stated truth, this lens is good, this is bad, and
all we do is repeat what others have said.
Regards and enjoy it. It's good for your intended purpose.

Albano

PS: Your portraiture is excellent
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 09:57  AM, gfen wrote:

 I have no idea how to
 lock the mirror up, and the sales person couldn't figure it out, 
 either.

Okay, holding the camera, your right hand middle finger should be able 
to reach a teeny tiny switch on the side of the mirror box.  Flip it 
up.  The camera must be wound to do this.

 Is there any difference between the MLU 6x7 and the 67, outside of minor
 cosmetic differences?

As far as I know just cosmetics and age.

 What can you Brotherhood types routinly hand-hold it
 at with say an 80mm lens?

I can reliably pull off 1/60 with the 105, and 1/30 provided I use the 
mirror lock.  1/30 without the mirror lock is hit-and-miss (though 
generally fine at 8x10).

-Aaron
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Re: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

I am puzzled why would anyone need a bit of equipment *that* bad. There
are always alternatives...
Unless you are talking about collectors -- that's a whole different
game.

 TheWinner is the enthusiast that has finally found that elusive bit of gear 
 that he has been trudging shop to shop and not found for the last ten years?
 
 IE the Seller did him a favour putting the item on the bay.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Studdert

  

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OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital 
captures?

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

If you are tray developing them it should only take 46 minutes to develop
6-8 sheets shuffling them together in the trays.

1. Slide the first sheet into the developer emulsion side down move it
around enough to dislodge any bubbles.
2. Side the next sheet under it emulsion side down moving it around enough
to dislodge any bubbles.
3. Repeat 2 until all sheets are in the developer.
4. Move the top sheet to the bottom.
5. Repeat 4 until the first sheet is on top again.
6. Wait one minute.
7. goto 4. repeat until sheet one has been in the developer the proper time.
8. Shuffle the sheets into the stop bath
9 Shuffle the sheets into the fix
10 Shuffle the sheet in the fix as you did in the developer.
11. When fix is complete shuffle the sheets into the rinse.
12. Wash as usual

Hey, that is a 12 step program for sheet film, cool.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:45 AM
Subject: Talk about outdated film...


 only wish i had a better way to develop 4X5,
 right now I can only do 1 sheet at a time.
 Takes about 45 total minutes for 1 frame!
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Chris Brogden

 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide angle lens?  I have
 been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably around 24mm,
 and wanted some feedback from the group.

My favourite wide angle lens has to be the M24-35/3.5.  Good range, not
too long a zoom, and compact.  My favourite focal length for wide angle is
a toss-up between 24mm and 35mm.

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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff

 Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 those big negs are nice smile

Shel...your resistance is slowly dissolving...you will join the 
Brotherhood...

I think not ... while a medium format camera is definitely in my future, I 
doubt (note that I'm not saying it won't be) that it will be the Pentax 6x7.
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Re: The Digital Look vs. The Film Look

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Someone I shot for wanted that look that current NHL photographs have, 
which is basically the digital look.  I achieved it by blasting out the 
highlights and blocking up the shadows, throwing away much of the tonal 
range of the original transparency, to make the colours seem very clean 
and pure, with not too much variation in solid colours.  Then I applied 
a mild median filter to obscure fine detail and finally slightly 
oversharpened it.

-Aaron
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread gfen

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 Okay, holding the camera, your right hand middle finger should be able
 to reach a teeny tiny switch on the side of the mirror box.  Flip it
 up.  The camera must be wound to do this.

I don't even remember seeing this, I was more concentrating on an on/off
toggle and button on the prism housing, thinking that might somehow do it.

 As far as I know just cosmetics and age.

Any problems with the older bodies then that I should be aware of? If
that's the case, I figure I can shave a few bucks off getting a 6x7 versus
the 67.

Finally, a question on purchasing a used item: I'm a bit confused on the
prisms. Should I assume that if it does not list a prism with the body,
there is none included? The regular, non-AE, prism still allows metering
(which is basic centerweight in the 6x7 and 67)?

I know this is pretty subjective, but finally can someone give me an idea
of a reasonable price range for a 6x7 or 67 with prism?

Thanks for all your assistance.

-g.


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Re: What is the most quiet body?

2002-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ... the loudest Pentax (the 67)

The primary reason why I doubt that I'll get a 67.
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Ken Archer

How much do you want for your Mir 20?

On Friday 26 April 2002 07:46 am, you wrote:
 I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
 Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more
 than twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe
 not, 2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more
 compact, has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the
 build quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got
 the 24mm. I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been
 collecting dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.

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Re: Why you should always have a camerea.

2002-04-26 Thread Alexander Krohe

Evan Hanson wrote :-
I live in the flight path of a local Air Reserve Base,
so I've become accustomed to seeing large planes skim
over the tree tops.  Last night however, I missed a
great photo opportunity because I had left my camera
in its bag.  As I was walking my dog around dusk I
heard the familiar roar of the C-130 Hercules.  As
I looked up I saw the plane with all of its lights
running lumber closer until it reached a point which
would have corresponded to about a 100 mm lens.  The
plane was framed perfectly by the trees with the full
moon beside it all set against the deep blue of the
sky.  When will I ever learn?
-

I have just heard that some British plane spotters
have been sentenced to Greek jail for illegally
obtaining state secrets. They are aviation
enthusiasts who took photographs from a Greek military
air base. So be careful when taking pictures from
military objects ...
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Ken Archer

I would guess they are all digital.

On Friday 26 April 2002 10:21 am, you wrote:
 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct
 digital captures?

 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

 A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)

 Cheers,

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: The Digital Look vs. The Film Look

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

Rob, i believe that you are right.  I shoot 99% of my digital stuff in raw
mode and seldom need to sharpen in PhotoShop before printing. Lots of
consumer digitals don't allow you to turn off the internal sharpening, nor
do they offer a true raw output.

Len
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From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Digital Look vs. The Film Look


On 26 Apr 2002 at 9:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, gang.
 I've become a fan of photocritique.net. One thing that amazes me is how
 easy is to know which pictures were taken with digital cameras. They have
a very
 distinctive look (that sucks, imho). What do you think about this look?
(or lack
 of?) Regards

Hi Albano,

I suspect the main culprit is the way that sharpening is applied to digital 
images in camera, it's usually quite severe. A bit like a film scan from a 
bureau that usually scans for pre-press use, woeful.

Cheers,

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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Gary L. Murphy

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:21:33 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:

See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital 
captures?

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg

Digital

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

Film





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RE: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

Hey, that can work, too.  Especially if there is a reasonable BIN price.

Len
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From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: Portrait lens recommendations?


On 26 Apr 2002 at 8:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't agree more. The way I see it (and this won't be popular) with the 
 rare exception, if you're a winner on ebay you're really the loser. The 
 winner is most often the seller.  

Or..

TheWinner is the enthusiast that has finally found that elusive bit of
gear 
that he has been trudging shop to shop and not found for the last ten years?

IE the Seller did him a favour putting the item on the bay.

Cheers,

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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread gfen

Something I could never figure out is how do you tell time in a darkened
room while tray developing?

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, T Rittenhouse wrote:

 If you are tray developing them it should only take 46 minutes to develop
 6-8 sheets shuffling them together in the trays.

 1. Slide the first sheet into the developer emulsion side down move it
 around enough to dislodge any bubbles.
 2. Side the next sheet under it emulsion side down moving it around enough
 to dislodge any bubbles.
 3. Repeat 2 until all sheets are in the developer.
 4. Move the top sheet to the bottom.
 5. Repeat 4 until the first sheet is on top again.
 6. Wait one minute.
 7. goto 4. repeat until sheet one has been in the developer the proper time.
 8. Shuffle the sheets into the stop bath
 9 Shuffle the sheets into the fix
 10 Shuffle the sheet in the fix as you did in the developer.
 11. When fix is complete shuffle the sheets into the rinse.
 12. Wash as usual

 Hey, that is a 12 step program for sheet film, cool.

 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
 


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 From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:45 AM
 Subject: Talk about outdated film...


  only wish i had a better way to develop 4X5,
  right now I can only do 1 sheet at a time.
  Takes about 45 total minutes for 1 frame!
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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide angle lens?  I have
 been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably around 24mm,
 and wanted some feedback from the group.

Mine is the FA 20-35mm f/4. The best prime wide angle lens I own is the FA
35mm f/2 but I use the 20-35mm zoom more frequently.

Len
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Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7

2002-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi,

Aaron gave you a good answer, but there's a little more to it for some 
people and some lenses.

There are those who believe that working with a longer focal length lens, 
such as an 80mm instead of a 50mm for 35mm work, alllows for sharper 
and better quality results because only the center area of the lens is being 
used, eliminating or substantially reducing the effects of light fall off, lack 
of edge sharpness and resolution, and one or two other concerns.  This 
is, perhaps, more of a concern with lesser quality lenses, but it is a 
concern nonetheless.

Also, if you're using a grain focuser, having the enlarger head higher can 
allow you to get your head under it in order to use the focuser to best 
advantage.
On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 06:18  AM, Alan Abbott wrote:

 I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this 
 is a silly question.
 Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the 
 print so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print
 nearer?

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RE: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Brigham

I reckon 2 is film, 1  3 are digital.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gary L. Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 26 April 2002 16:47
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT Digital or Film source?
 
 
 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:21:33 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
 
 See if you can guess which images are film and which are 
 direct digital 
 captures?
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 
 Digital
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
 
 Film
 
 
 
 
 
 Later,
 Gary
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Michael Nosal

At 01:21 AM 4/27/02 +1000, you wrote:
See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
captures?

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)


1 - digital
2 - film
3 - digital

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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Chris Brogden

  See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct
  digital captures?
 
  http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
  http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
  http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

I'd say that they're all film.

chris
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Anthony Farr

All film.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital 
 captures?
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
 
 A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

digital, digital, film.

R

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: OT Digital or Film source?


 At 01:21 AM 4/27/02 +1000, you wrote:
 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
 captures?
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
 
 A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)
 
 
 1 - digital
 2 - film
 3 - digital
 
 --Mike
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Pentxuser

I agree wholeheartedly. My 15 rarely travels in my bag. Only if I know I'm 
likely to use it. But I love it none the less.

In a message dated 4/26/02 10:01:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

I have an optically identical A 15/3.5, and I have to agree with
your summary of its superb qualities, JCO.  However, it still loses
out (along with the A 16/2.8 Fisheye) to my A 20/2.8 for preferred
wide angle lens.  Both the 15/3.5 and (especially) the 16/2.8 are
very specialized lenses, made for very specialized images - images
that the 20/2.8 can't handle.  However, most of my own wide angle
shooting doesn't usually need something ~that~ wide, and the 20/2.8
serves nicely as the proper tool most of the time.  Furthermore, the
bulky (especially the 15/3.5) and rather dear super wide angles
simply don't get carried around very often - they are usually
sitting at home unless I know ahead of time that they would be
useful - while the compact 20/2.8 is almost as portable as a 50mm
normal lens (well, except for the flaring filter flange - g), and
has seen a lot of miles.

But the 15/3.5 is a gem, though, isn't it...  ;-)
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread dick graham

It's more difficult to tell on the net instead of having prints in hand, 
but I would guess that the first 2 are digital and the third is film.

DG



At 01:21 AM 4/27/02 +1000, you wrote:
See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
captures?

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg

A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

I guess by this time Rob's point is clear. However, I can definately say
whatever
the originals were, the images that appear on my monitor are digital.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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- Original Message -
From: Michael Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: OT Digital or Film source?


 At 01:21 AM 4/27/02 +1000, you wrote:
 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
 captures?
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
 
 A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)


 1 - digital
 2 - film
 3 - digital

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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

Oh, there are ways. A timer with a bell. A luminous watch set where the
light can not fall directly on the film (has worked for me). And, my old
favorite a tape of soft music with a minute chime and comments when to
change trays. Hey, maybe I could make up a CD. Music For A Dark Room with
a different track for each process?

Ciao,
Graywolf
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Talk about outdated film...


 Something I could never figure out is how do you tell time in a darkened
 room while tray developing?
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Re: What is the most quiet body?

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

Heck, can I get into this thread?  If I recall correctly, the one of the
accessories available for the Canon F! was a sound blimp. So my canditadate
for the quietest camera is a blimped F1.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: What is the most quiet body?


 Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ... the loudest Pentax (the 67)

 The primary reason why I doubt that I'll get a 67.
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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Tom, that's a great idea.

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 Oh, there are ways. A timer with a bell. A luminous watch set where the
 light can not fall directly on the film (has worked for me). And, my old
 favorite a tape of soft music with a minute chime and comments when to
 change trays. Hey, maybe I could make up a CD. Music For A Dark Room with
 a different track for each process?

-- 
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RE: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread J. C. O'Connell

 Subject: Re: Talk about outdated film...
 
 
 If you are tray developing them it should only take 46 minutes to develop
 6-8 sheets shuffling them together in the trays.

Actually I'm using a drum, but i just figured a way to do
2 at a time Yippie!
jco

 
 
 
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 From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:45 AM
 Subject: Talk about outdated film...
 
 
  only wish i had a better way to develop 4X5,
  right now I can only do 1 sheet at a time.
  Takes about 45 total minutes for 1 frame!
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Evan Hanson

1  2 film 3 digital

Evan

Rob Studdert wrote:
 
 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
 captures?
 
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
 
 A free new LX Soft release for the first correct answer :-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: OT Digital or Film source?

2002-04-26 Thread Bob Blakely

Too low resolution and too corrupted by jpg artifacts to tell for certain. It's like
recording the output of a boom box and my Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater sound
system on a micro cassette analog tape recorder and asking passers by to tell the
difference!

Reminds me of the shell game.

Regards,
Bob...
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we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' 
--Rudyard Kipling

From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 See if you can guess which images are film and which are direct digital
 captures?

 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/1.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/2.jpg
 http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/3.jpg
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Re: color correction in photoshop

2002-04-26 Thread Albano_Garcia

Mishka wrote:
Levels are fine for most purposes.
My usual workflow is
- -- add a threshold layer
- -- set the threshold to the max dark. that would show you the lightest
spots, your white point selection.
- -- with the eye-dropper, mark the spots
- -- do the same moving threshold to the max white. here's your white
point
- -- open the levels, set the white, black and grey points with the
levels' eyedropper
- -- fix the gamma.
this usually takes about than 5 min/scan and covers most situations.

/ There's more than one eyedropper. Which one should I use?

Albano
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Coming up in the world

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

My web site comes up with a goggle search now. Can't find it on any of the
other search engines though. Of course, I could pay to have it listed. Don't
you all feel good about search engines that only give you commercial sites
that have paid to be on them? In many ways I preferred the old internet (pre
commercial).

I need to do some more work on the site, but between Road-Runner's being
down 1/2 the time and trying to get ready for the big move next month I just
don't seem to be able to get a round tuit.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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Re: Why you should always have a camerea.

2002-04-26 Thread Debra Wilborn

--- Alexander Krohe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Evan Hanson wrote :-
 I live in the flight path of a local Air Reserve
 Base,
 so I've become accustomed to seeing large planes
 skim
 over the tree tops.  Last night however, I missed a
 great photo opportunity because I had left my camera
 in its bag.  As I was walking my dog around dusk I
 heard the familiar roar of the C-130 Hercules.  As
 I looked up I saw the plane with all of its lights
 running lumber closer until it reached a point which
 would have corresponded to about a 100 mm lens.  The
 plane was framed perfectly by the trees with the
 full
 moon beside it all set against the deep blue of the
 sky.  When will I ever learn?
 -
 
 I have just heard that some British plane spotters
 have been sentenced to Greek jail for illegally
 obtaining state secrets. They are aviation
 enthusiasts who took photographs from a Greek
 military
 air base. So be careful when taking pictures from
 military objects ...
 Alexander  


Well if it flew over his house...  I mean c'mon.  He's
not exactly sneaking onto the base, and the C-130 is
not exactly a stealth bomber.
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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread T Rittenhouse

Thanks. Feel free to steal it.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Talk about outdated film...


 Tom, that's a great idea.

 T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
  Oh, there are ways. A timer with a bell. A luminous watch set where the
  light can not fall directly on the film (has worked for me). And, my old
  favorite a tape of soft music with a minute chime and comments when to
  change trays. Hey, maybe I could make up a CD. Music For A Dark Room
with
  a different track for each process?

 --
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Debra Wilborn

Wow, thanks for the overwhelming response!  I guess
then that the SMC 24/2.8 ranks pretty high on the list
(and the 31 LTD).  I'll keep that in mind next time I
go lens shopping.

Does anyone have opinions on non-Pentax glass in the
same focal length?  I know Cosina, Tokina and Tamron
(I think) make a 24/2.8.  Are they good or barely
worth the plastic they're housed in?  I'm asking
because I could probably get one to half the cost of
the Pentax lens.

Thanks and happy shooting,
Deb
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Re: Talk about outdated film...

2002-04-26 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/26/2002 10:55:16 AM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Something I could never figure out is how do you tell time in a darkened
 room while tray developing?
 

With an audible timer?

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Re: Choices for Multigrade Filters

2002-04-26 Thread Brendan

Have any advise for a toning agent for the agfa rc
paper?

--- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 12:17  AM, Brendan
 wrote:
 
  Aaron advised me to get the Ilford filters, I had
 no
  trouble cutting
  them with scissors. I had to trim 1/2 off and
 snip
  the corners to
  make them fit the B-22.
 
 ...because they're easiest to cut.  :)
 
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RE: Photo CDs

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

A Photo CD?  Absolutely.  A Picture CD?  Maybe.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: Treena Harp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Photo CDs


For those of you who get images on photo CDs, is there enough resolution for
a photo-quality 8x10? I've been wanting to practice retouching, but it's a
real pain to drive several miles to the newspaper main office to use the
negative scanner (which hasn't been doing very well lately, anyway), and
this could be the solution I need.
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Re: Portrait lens recommendations?

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 01:00  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I hope so. I was just trying to make the point that users shouldn't 
 blame a
 lens for not being sharp is they don't test it under proper 
 conditions. I
 would not want the 85mm f2 or any other Pentax lens getting a bad rapp 
 for
 not being sharp based on people hand holding it at slow shutter speeds.

Isn't that EXACTLY what the original message says?  That he sold it 
because he thought it wasn't sharp, but now that he has a mirror-lock 
body he realizes it was vibration?

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Re: color correction in photoshop

2002-04-26 Thread Nick Wright

Albano,
The methods that I have seen all the others tell you to use, are very
complicated, and I believe quite unnecessary. Are you wanting to color
correct for a fine art type print? Or do you just want to see good color on
your monitor and small prints for yourself? Anyway, here's what I do
everyday at the paper for every picture that I work. After scanning the neg,
I will open Levels and click Auto Nine times out of ten (you must have the
preview box checked to see the effects), simply doing that will give me
just what I want. If the colors are still off, I will click on the white
eyedropper (on the levels menu), and click on a portion of the image that I
know to be white (if you are having trouble clicking just the part that you
want hit tab to go to the precise cursor). If the colors are still off
after that I will do the same with the black eyedropper. If the colors are
~still~ off, I will adjust each individual channel. To adjust an individual
channel simply select the channel that you want to adjust from the drop down
menu over the histogram. Then use the grey slider under the histogram to
adjust that particular color, if you move it to the right (I think) it will
take away that particular color, if you move it the other way it will add
that color. Feel free to ask any more questions you have...
--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: color correction in photoshop
Date: Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 12:12 PM


 Mishka wrote:
 Levels are fine for most purposes.
 My usual workflow is
 - -- add a threshold layer
 - -- set the threshold to the max dark. that would show you the lightest
 spots, your white point selection.
 - -- with the eye-dropper, mark the spots
 - -- do the same moving threshold to the max white. here's your white
 point
 - -- open the levels, set the white, black and grey points with the
 levels' eyedropper
 - -- fix the gamma.
 this usually takes about than 5 min/scan and covers most situations.

 / There's more than one eyedropper. Which one should I use?

 Albano
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Re: Photo CDs

2002-04-26 Thread Nick Wright

Yes, I have made several 8x10s from the CDs gotten from a one hour Wal-Mart
lab. Even though it doesn't seem like there would be enough data, they look
acceptable, specially for newspaper use... ;)
--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/

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From: Treena Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Photo CDs
Date: Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 1:28 PM


 For those of you who get images on photo CDs, is there enough resolution for
 a photo-quality 8x10? I've been wanting to practice retouching, but it's a
 real pain to drive several miles to the newspaper main office to use the
 negative scanner (which hasn't been doing very well lately, anyway), and
 this could be the solution I need.
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

$90 + s/h. Contact me off-list for more details.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:13 -0500, Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 How much do you want for your Mir 20?
 
 On Friday 26 April 2002 07:46 am, you wrote:
  I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
  Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more
  than twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe
  not, 2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more
  compact, has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the
  build quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got
  the 24mm. I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been
  collecting dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.
 
 -- 
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Re[2]: Delivery

2002-04-26 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

 It's an Eye-ism; be very glad that I do not wish to have a serious 
 overlong conversation in Ugandan with you. 
 Now there's an odd expression -- mother tongue.  Wonder what sort of
 image THAT invokes [...]  Or Ugandan

This is a very British in-joke. I really don't think you want to be having
Ugandan discussions with your mother. (Oedipus schmoeidipus! so the boy
loves his mother...)

---

 Bob  

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RE: Photo CDs

2002-04-26 Thread Brendan

I found scans saved in .jpg 1500x1000 not quite enough
for a photo quality 8x10, at 3000x2000 90% quality
does 16x12's rather well printed to 200 dpi but 300
dpi 12x8 prints look best.

--- Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A Photo CD?  Absolutely.  A Picture CD?  Maybe.
 
 Len
 ---
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Treena Harp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:29 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Photo CDs
 
 
 For those of you who get images on photo CDs, is
 there enough resolution for
 a photo-quality 8x10? I've been wanting to practice
 retouching, but it's a
 real pain to drive several miles to the newspaper
 main office to use the
 negative scanner (which hasn't been doing very well
 lately, anyway), and
 this could be the solution I need.
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