Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, Rod. - Original Message - From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong
Re[2]: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong
Re: Applied SciFi blooper
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting - is this in commercial use now? I remember hearing of a techology which could scan film without developing, but destroyed the film in the process - is this the very same? Yes. The very same process was announced a few years ago. -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything.
Re[3]: Applied SciFi blooper
Mike wrote: MI Q15: What is the image capture resolution? MI A15: Approximately equivalent to 18 Megapixels (2000 x 3000 x 3 channels). MI Digital PIC output is essentially the same as C-41 processed film scanned on a MI high quality DML scanner. They must be taking their retailers for complete idiots. This is a meagre 6 MPixels, 24 bits per pixel. I will certainly not accept to have my film destroyed for as little as this. Servus, Alin
No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
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FA 135/2.8 vs FA 100/3.5
I may choose one of them for travelling purpose because they fit my budget. I know 135/2.8 is the winner in terms of built quality. But which one is better in optical performance? Please advise. sy
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
sigh
same old news, then.
Strange, though, that Single Lens Reflex Cameras is listed
twice...
Jostein
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Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting list! Lenses for large and medium format cameras! Schniender/Rodenstock - take notice! Bob Oh, it really does not list and new items.
Re: Re[3]: Applied SciFi blooper
Alin Flaider wrote: MI Q15: What is the image capture resolution? MI A15: Approximately equivalent to 18 Megapixels (2000 x 3000 x 3 channels). MI Digital PIC output is essentially the same as C-41 processed film scanned on a MI high quality DML scanner. They must be taking their retailers for complete idiots. This is a meagre 6 MPixels, 24 bits per pixel. I will certainly not accept to have my film destroyed for as little as this. You need to be careful with digicam and printer specs; most marketing people confuse pixels and dots. There's a subtle but very important difference. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
New toys
Unearthed a pile of (predominantly) lens cases. HG90 HB90B (my info says 50mm F1.2 A) HA90B (all the 28 and 35mm manual M A lenses - ok -not the PC) 120mm Case 6x7 Prism Case 6x7 Teleconverter? Case oh, and an MX Winder, a 200mm F4 M, and some scruffy ME-Supers. Kind regards Peter
Pentax - cautious?
New has it that the Japanese stock market has closed at a 19-year low! This could affect some camera manufacturers. Bob
Re: thoughts on fuji across
HC-110 works well with it. I'm certain others do as well. Developing info at www.digitaltruth.com Collin At 01:07 AM 9/4/02 -0400, you wrote: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: thoughts on fuji across Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Brendan wrote: I just fired off 2 rolls of this stuff and I'm mimpressed alot, just very long wash time, ( purple tinge for 20 min ) but it's nice. Anyone have other opinions? I just shot two rolls of Across 100. What developer did you use? I havn't developed mine yet, and I am still debating which one to use. Of course no one locally has the fuji developers (if they even exist beyond the inside of the box). I currently have T-Max, HC-110, and DD-X. Not sure which to choose from. I havn't decided which one I want to try yet :) Maybe I should go get another roll and try all 3! - Chris
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Well..
I think that seals it..
I was hoping.. nay praying that I'd see Pentax come out with a blockbuster
announcement stating that they were actually releasing or working on or
contracting out a DSLR body that will accept K mount lenses.
An affordable (comparitively speaking of course) DSLR that will take the
K-mount glass I already own.
I don't need a professional DSLR .. hell.. I don't even think I'd buy the
first generation.. I'd wait.. oh.. maybe for the second generation :-)
But nope.. looks like it ain't gonna happen.
Every dealer I've spoken to has confirmed that Pentax is AWFULLY good at
keeping secrets (except from you lot here) :) and as such, I was thinking
that the DSLR would become a reality. I had heard rumour, heresay and the
general whispers that accompany them. Now, my hopes are dashed.
*sigh*
I'll wait till the end of Photokina.
If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing..
I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX.
I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something
from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N.
Sadly,
Dave
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Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
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Re: Vivitar lenses
I had a S1 70-210/3.5. I sold because I liked my SMCA 70-210/4 better. The Vivitar is quite sharp, maybe sharper wide open. But it's color rendition didn't seem to match my other lenses, which are mostly Pentax. But if you do most or all of your shooting with Vivitar's this won't be a problem for you. Steven. -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro
I have the F version. Yep, it's a great lens, but it hunts a lot. Leave the limiter engaged, and use spot AF. I just turn the AF off. I think it's more of a problem with the AF system, with non-IF primes, with a wide focusing range. Some lenses are worse than others, in my case, my 50/1.7 F and my 100/2.8 F are both terrible this way. The cheap Tamron IF zoom on my wife's ZX7 doesn't hunt and generally focuses very quickly. Go figure. Chris L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 10:16AM I just got this lens. I plan to use it for macro work (duh) and as a instead of a 135mm telephoto. (The feel of the lens is wonderful by the way. What a tank! It balances so well on the MZ-S with the Grip) I'm having a little trouble getting used to the range limiter, however. I want to us mostly MF for macro work but AF for normal distances. I can't quite get the hang of the limiter, and the lens seems to always hunt through the whole focus range, which is huge. Any suggestions from the Cognoscenti? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unsubscribe, Thanks for help.
B.Gates... hm... who could have thought. btw, man, believe it or not, Windows does suck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B. Gates) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unsubscribe, Thanks for help. Always appreciative; Bruce.
RE: FA 135/2.8 vs FA 100/3.5
The 135 is better, though the 100 is no slouch and is the lens I take on trips, mostly because I like the focal length better for general purposes. It's also lighter. It's also been stolen, so that factors in to my decision as well. Bear in mind the FA 135 has remarkable close-focusing ability. tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FA 135/2.8 vs FA 100/3.5 I may choose one of them for travelling purpose because they fit my budget. I know 135/2.8 is the winner in terms of built quality. But which one is better in optical performance? Please advise. sy
RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Rob... you assume too much :) The jump ship would be first to a standard FILM SLR.. this will at least allow me to gather a lens or two. The digital SLR won't be for a while - but by that time - Canon or Nikon or Fuji would be well into longer generations and as we've seen, the price should stay reasonably low (with respect to current pricing) when I eventually do decide to go DSLR. I don't plan on jumping right in with both feet without testing the water first. And.. beyond that.. I still will have a hand in the Pentax camp as I still own an old screwmount SL (and a K mount converter) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:18:23 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Touble is, with digital cameras the bugs don't get ironed out completely - you get a replacement model with a different set of bugs. The latest Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Contax D-SLRs have all had some form of recall or firmware fix for serious problems and some of those are second or third generation! I must admit it did seem a little inconsistent that if Pentax brought out a DSLR now, you would wait for the replacement model, but if they didn't you felt you had to jump ship immediately. Either you need one now, or you can wait - you seem to be saying both. OK, I sort of understand what you are saying, but while technology is advancing as rapidly as it is, generation 1, 2 or 47 will all have problems as they don't seem to properly QA stuff before releasing it - I guess we would wait 10 years for a fully tested D-SLR, so they let us test it for them! mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Doug, Neither do I.. :) You'll note I said I would wait until AFTER Photokina :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:53:36 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? You know, I make all my equipment decisions based on a report of what someone didn't read on a web page... Doug always helpful Brewer I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. Sadly, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7
5c7b3e03ec-15-50586}
Poppycock. There's nothing on that list that tells me that a DSLR will
not be shown.
Cotty
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RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody is going to come up with a full frame sensor which will retrofit to existing film SLRs, especially once the full frame sensors get cheap enuff. Maybe not if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff real fast. JCO Give it up. No manufacturer is going to waste the time or money developing a digital back or insert for 35mm cameras. Digital sensors are power hungry beasts. They require lots of inputs and outputs. You don't want the average consumer to have to deal with the fragile sensor surface, dust issues, etc. There are too many technical and marketing hurdles to overcome for such a solution to be feasible. If you want digital, buy a digital body. --Mike
RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
It wouldnt really be that difficult IMHO just add an electronic box that mounts under the camera with all the guts in it, and then tether all the electronics into one cable to the sensor. Like I said, if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff fast enuff, there would be no point in doing such a setup. JCO -Original Message- From: Michael Nosal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody is going to come up with a full frame sensor which will retrofit to existing film SLRs, especially once the full frame sensors get cheap enuff. Maybe not if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff real fast. JCO Give it up. No manufacturer is going to waste the time or money developing a digital back or insert for 35mm cameras. Digital sensors are power hungry beasts. They require lots of inputs and outputs. You don't want the average consumer to have to deal with the fragile sensor surface, dust issues, etc. There are too many technical and marketing hurdles to overcome for such a solution to be feasible. If you want digital, buy a digital body. --Mike
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are automatically in servo mode. Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Really?
I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese,
despite the objections of neighbouring standholders.
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On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, Bruce M
(Bruce) wrote:
No, but I hear there will be private showings of their new fiber optic
guided buggy whips.
BR
(Doug, you gotta fix the Digests!)
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From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.
php?CLSID={3d7
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Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? - Original Message - From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Volume. Actually, Canon does make money selling cameras: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/page16.html Camera segment sales were ¥211,392 million, up 20.8%. Silver-based photographic cameras are cited as continuing to decrease due to market tilt toward digital cameras and low pricing of silver-based cameras. Canon brought in 7 new digital cameras to strengthen its IXY and PowerShot lines. Digital video camera sales in the United Sates and in other markets are said selling well. Segment sales accounted for 13% of total company sales. Earnings on sales were ¥28,055 million, up 83.3%. Camera sales that stood at ¥211,392 million for the first half of the fiscal year were 34% by silver-based cameras, 45% by digital still cameras and 23% by video cameras. From: Robert Woerner Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??).
Re[2]: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Michael, Are you telling me that the MZ-3 which has not picture modes has picture modes and that it will do continuous focus as you pan? My understanding is that the MZ-3 (almost an MZ-5n) has no picture modes and that it only has predictive focus, which means it predicts movement from the time you press the shutter button until the shutter actually releases. This is *not* servo - just predictive. The only bodies I know of that actually do servo are the PZ-1p and the MZ-S. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 9:35:57 AM, you wrote: MC Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the MC action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are MC automatically in servo mode. MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong
FS: Pentax LX, Motor Drive, NiCad Pack LX + charger
Hi folks, Well, as some of you may know, my plans for restructuring my photo gear are in full swing, and this includes selling some rather nice kit. I'm also keeping some rather nice kit, but for the moment, here's an offer to the list before I put it all on eBay this coming weekend. I'd rather sell as a whole, but if no takers, will entertain offers for individual parts before eBay. Descriptions below. Pentax LX serial number 524XXX in Mint- condition with FA-1finder ...just back from Asahi Photo in London where it had a full CLA, this camera had been simply superb. With no brassing anywhere on the body, there are only the slightest signs of use. In fact I just had a good look, and the only mark I can see is on the pentaprism housing, there is a slight scratch about 5mm long, not gone through the paint, it's barely noticeable. A few slight scuffs and marks on the base. The leatherette is in good condition and FP and X caps are present. Focussing screen in the standard split image / microprism collar in matte field. ISO dial from 6 to 3200. What can I say? Own the legend. Includes 2 strap lugs. I have some jpegs if you would like to see it, please email me off list. Pentax Motor Drive LX in Exc+ condition. Serial number 111XXX Works perfectly. 5 frames per second dedicated drive for the LX. Includes remote port cap. Not much to say except it's bloody fast! Jpegs supplied. Pentax Ni-Cd Battery Pack LX in Exc++ condition. Re-celled with brand new Sanyo Ni-Cd cells 2 years ago as per Rob Studdert's excellent web site. Battery pack has been used properly, cycled with no 'part' charging, so NiCds in tip top shape. Holds excellent charge and will run the motor drive for more films than I've been able to put through in a day. Guaranteed against DOA, money refunded if not totally happy with this unit. Supplied with Charge Pack M in used condition. Two-prong charger with UK adapter if required that plugs in to the NiCd pack and charges from AC wall outlet. Jpegs supplied. Available at this stage as a whole unit for £650 GBP no offers. Shipping extra as this is a rock bottom price just for the list. Happy to send wherever. This will include a bonus: the famous 'coffee table' Grip B Extra Length. This is a custom made grip that screws onto the LX lug nuts as normal, but is longer to accommodate both the Motor Drive and the NiCad pack. AND, has a lug strap attachment in the grip a la LX2000 grip B. This means that you can shoulder your LX horizontally with grip attached. Pics of the whole combo can be seen at http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/lxgrip.html Right, I've done it. Now I'm going to go and lie down and have a jolly good cry. Cotty Cor, swipe me. He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Action? the mz-3 has predictive focus, when set to multi frame advance it will continue to focus if the subject is moving across the sensor once it locked on but stops after the shot. --- Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are automatically in servo mode. Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: PDMLUKII
Second call for participants. Mike. I would love to, but with gas now at US$7 a gallon (erk!) I must politely decline. Unless you plan on flying me up there.. Peter
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
not as much as some other companies. --- Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? - Original Message - From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Predictive auto-focus
Hello again everyone. I am hoping someone has some experience with predictive auto-focus. I have this feature on both my PZ-1p and my 645n. What this feature means to me is that the camera makes an attempt to predict where a moving object will be in order to get the most precise focus on that object at the time of shutter release. Okay, that makes sense. Here is where I have the problem. It is in the use of this feature. When I put either camera on servo for focus, the camera will allow me to fire the shutter whether the camera is in focus or not. I had read on a 645 discussion thread that another 645n owner/user said that as a wedding photographer he uses the predictive auto-focus to photograph individuals coming down the aisle towards him. Okay, that makes perfect sense except that unlike single mode where the camera won't fire until the focus is complete, this mode fires at will so to speak. So how do you use this predictive auto-focus. I could surmise that if you press the shutter release button half way the camera will focus. Then pressing it the rest of the way will release the shutter with the camera focused at that distance. With an object moving towards you, if it has moved far enough to have gone out of focus, then you have not achieved anything. So the question is; how does this work and how is it most effectively used. Thanks in advance, Glen O'Neal (in Kansas City)
Pentax equipment forsale
Flat shipping cost is $5 to US destinations. Other places whatever it costs. SMC K 200/4.0 + caps + original hardcase. -- $85 In LIKE NEW condition in all aspects. LX + FA-1 + Grip-B + strap + cap. -- $325 Perfect functional condition. Slight ding on top of finder. Some scuffles on bottom plate. Looks quite nice. The mirror support was gluey so I put a bit of rubber there. Focus is accurate. Lining and foam in perfect condition. Mirrow clean. Meter and times all good. Everything works good and smooth. I've been using it less and less lately. But it's the most lovely camera there is anywhere, especially with the Grip-B. Big and bright viewfinder. The speeds above 1/75 can work without battery. The strap can hang the camera vertically so your trigger hand doesn't grasp a bundle of strap like on other cameras. AF 160 flash-- $10 Small pentax flash, guide# is 16 meters (48 feet.) Two auto modes, one manual modes. Works well on any camera. Looks good. Pentax 1/21 degree Spotmeter-- $65 Meter spot 1-degree, field view 21-degrees. Slight ding on hood. No effect. Otherwise looks great. Works perfectly. Uses 1 common 9v for very low-lighting condition, and one mercury for other lighting condition. A new (unopened) mercury battery is included, which will last you a long time. I bought the battery for $8 from a website. Sometimes I use a hearing-aid battery, which is workable too. Thanks for looking. Tonghang.
Re: Predictive auto-focus
servo mode is shutter priority release, the camera tries to keep up by continuing to focus, predictive is when it tries to predict ( and refocuses ) the subjects movement. Predictive mode is automatically on in multi frame advance mode, so all you have to do is set normal single af and multi frame advance ( vs single ), and hold the button down as the subject comes towards you. --- Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again everyone. I am hoping someone has some experience with predictive auto-focus. I have this feature on both my PZ-1p and my 645n. What this feature means to me is that the camera makes an attempt to predict where a moving object will be in order to get the most precise focus on that object at the time of shutter release. Okay, that makes sense. Here is where I have the problem. It is in the use of this feature. When I put either camera on servo for focus, the camera will allow me to fire the shutter whether the camera is in focus or not. I had read on a 645 discussion thread that another 645n owner/user said that as a wedding photographer he uses the predictive auto-focus to photograph individuals coming down the aisle towards him. Okay, that makes perfect sense except that unlike single mode where the camera won't fire until the focus is complete, this mode fires at will so to speak. So how do you use this predictive auto-focus. I could surmise that if you press the shutter release button half way the camera will focus. Then pressing it the rest of the way will release the shutter with the camera focused at that distance. With an object moving towards you, if it has moved far enough to have gone out of focus, then you have not achieved anything. So the question is; how does this work and how is it most effectively used. Thanks in advance, Glen O'Neal (in Kansas City) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Bruce, Sorry. I got the MZ-3 confused with MZ-6. My comments apply to the MZ-6. Michael Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Are you telling me that the MZ-3 which has not picture modes has picture modes and that it will do continuous focus as you pan? My understanding is that the MZ-3 (almost an MZ-5n) has no picture modes and that it only has predictive focus, which means it predicts movement from the time you press the shutter button until the shutter actually releases. This is *not* servo - just predictive. The only bodies I know of that actually do servo are the PZ-1p and the MZ-S. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 9:35:57 AM, you wrote: MC Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the MC action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are MC automatically in servo mode. MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
I guess I wasn't being clear about this. I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I think this financial trouble is most likely to come from overall loss of market share and not from the absence of any single product. Pentax serves my needs just fine and I would be more likely to buy an IS lens than a DSLR. I'm not sure what I think about the so-called flagship 35mm. In my mind, the MZ-S is obviously in league with the F100 or EOS-3. The Pentax flagship would be the EOS-1v/F5 counterpart which would cost at least $1200-$1500. Even if such a beast were available with better FPS, AF x-sensors, etc., I know that I would still prefer my MZ-S at the lower price (given my needs). Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 10:36AM My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka
Re: Pentax equipment forsale
Hi Tonghang... I'm interested in the Spotmeter. Do you use Paypal? Thanks, Tim On 9/4/02 10:08 AM, Tonghang Zhou wrote: Flat shipping cost is $5 to US destinations. Other places whatever it costs. SMC K 200/4.0 + caps + original hardcase.-- $85 In LIKE NEW condition in all aspects. LX + FA-1 + Grip-B + strap + cap.-- $325 Perfect functional condition. Slight ding on top of finder. Some scuffles on bottom plate. Looks quite nice. The mirror support was gluey so I put a bit of rubber there. Focus is accurate. Lining and foam in perfect condition. Mirrow clean. Meter and times all good. Everything works good and smooth. I've been using it less and less lately. But it's the most lovely camera there is anywhere, especially with the Grip-B. Big and bright viewfinder. The speeds above 1/75 can work without battery. The strap can hang the camera vertically so your trigger hand doesn't grasp a bundle of strap like on other cameras. AF 160 flash-- $10 Small pentax flash, guide# is 16 meters (48 feet.) Two auto modes, one manual modes. Works well on any camera. Looks good. Pentax 1/21 degree Spotmeter-- $65 Meter spot 1-degree, field view 21-degrees. Slight ding on hood. No effect. Otherwise looks great. Works perfectly. Uses 1 common 9v for very low-lighting condition, and one mercury for other lighting condition. A new (unopened) mercury battery is included, which will last you a long time. I bought the battery for $8 from a website. Sometimes I use a hearing-aid battery, which is workable too. Thanks for looking. Tonghang.
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Pentax may have thought that it will not save them and decided not to release their pj-1 --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Pentax equipment forsale
Okay, that was actually meant just for Tonghang, but the technology gremlins intervened. Sorry for that. t On 9/4/02 10:25 AM, Timothy Sherburne wrote: Hi Tonghang... I'm interested in the Spotmeter. Do you use Paypal? Thanks, Tim On 9/4/02 10:08 AM, Tonghang Zhou wrote: Flat shipping cost is $5 to US destinations. Other places whatever it costs. SMC K 200/4.0 + caps + original hardcase.-- $85 In LIKE NEW condition in all aspects. LX + FA-1 + Grip-B + strap + cap.-- $325 Perfect functional condition. Slight ding on top of finder. Some scuffles on bottom plate. Looks quite nice. The mirror support was gluey so I put a bit of rubber there. Focus is accurate. Lining and foam in perfect condition. Mirrow clean. Meter and times all good. Everything works good and smooth. I've been using it less and less lately. But it's the most lovely camera there is anywhere, especially with the Grip-B. Big and bright viewfinder. The speeds above 1/75 can work without battery. The strap can hang the camera vertically so your trigger hand doesn't grasp a bundle of strap like on other cameras. AF 160 flash-- $10 Small pentax flash, guide# is 16 meters (48 feet.) Two auto modes, one manual modes. Works well on any camera. Looks good. Pentax 1/21 degree Spotmeter-- $65 Meter spot 1-degree, field view 21-degrees. Slight ding on hood. No effect. Otherwise looks great. Works perfectly. Uses 1 common 9v for very low-lighting condition, and one mercury for other lighting condition. A new (unopened) mercury battery is included, which will last you a long time. I bought the battery for $8 from a website. Sometimes I use a hearing-aid battery, which is workable too. Thanks for looking. Tonghang.
Re: Lens
I just repurchased the lens from a friend I had sold it to and boy am I glad I did. It's a beautiful portrait lens. Small and lightweight.It's sharp in the smaller f-stops and pleasingly soft wide open. Just the way a portrait lens should be. Get it you won't be sorry.. Vic
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Dick wrote: Didn't anyone read the repeat of Herb Keppler's article on Photokina here yesterday? He explains very specifically why Pentax and Minolta are not in the digital SLR game. But Keppler is wrong. There are more Pentax lenses out there than Canon EF lenses. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Sylwester wrote: Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( Huh Why not wait until Photokina and see whats being showed? The web page you mention has never been a preview for whats being shown. Pentax won't disclose anything until they release a press release or until the show itself. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Ryan wrote: Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? Almost nothing comparisons to the market leaders in digital. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . .
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM
Really?
I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese,
despite the objections of neighbouring standholders.
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Kristian
On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, Bruce M
(Bruce) wrote:
No, but I hear there will be private showings of their new fiber
optic
guided buggy whips.
BR
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From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on
Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.
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Like the new format!
Just a note to say thanks for getting back to the TEXT format... much easier to read for me. Cheers, John * Nova Scotia Canada
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. JCO -Original Message- From: Pal Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal
OT: Printing with the Epson 1280
So far I've found the Epson papers are far and away the best when printing with the 1280. I've tried Kodak, HP, Officemax and they all suck (magenta blacks after drying) Are there any other brands other than Epson which give as good results??? Epson seems a little pricy and it's often out of stock in my hunts. JCO
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian
OT: Printing with the Epson 1280
Are there any other brands other than Epson which give as good results??? Epson seems a little pricy and it's often out of stock in my hunts. all the 3rd party paper i have found worth using with an Epson printer are considerably more expensive than Epson paper. Herb
Re: OT: Printing with the Epson 1280
J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far I've found the Epson papers are far and away the best when printing with the 1280. I've tried Kodak, HP, Officemax and they all suck (magenta blacks after drying) Are there any other brands other than Epson which give as good results??? Epson seems a little pricy and it's often out of stock in my hunts. The Ilford Classic Glossy and Classic Pearl papers are nice and a little less expensive than Epson (I think). The Ilford Fine Art Inkjet Paper simply rocks. It's the only paper I'll use when making prints for myself. It's about double the price of Epson paper, though. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
RE: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro
Stve, I believe the operation of this lens is similar to that of the FA200/4 ED. To engage the limiter function, place the limiting switch on the lens to full and adjust the focus to the extreme to which you would like to bias focusing, i.e., infinity for the normal stuff, or max close focus for the macro work, then switch the switch back to limit. That should work every time and really cut down on the hunting. Jason PS - With the MZ-S, I have fould you need to do this with the body turned on. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro I just got this lens. I plan to use it for macro work (duh) and as a instead of a 135mm telephoto. (The feel of the lens is wonderful by the way. What a tank! It balances so well on the MZ-S with the Grip) I'm having a little trouble getting used to the range limiter, however. I want to us mostly MF for macro work but AF for normal distances. I can't quite get the hang of the limiter, and the lens seems to always hunt through the whole focus range, which is huge. Any suggestions from the Cognoscenti? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Steve wrote: I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I think this financial trouble is most likely to come from overall loss of market share and not from the absence of any single product. Pentax is financially sound compared to all of the competition except Canon. I believe they have the intention of keeping or increasing their 35mm slr market share. For this they need up-to-date products. Pentax serves my needs just fine and I would be more likely to buy an IS lens than a DSLR. We might see both. I believe the digital slr will be relatively cheap. I'm not sure what I think about the so-called flagship 35mm. In my mind, the MZ-S is obviously in league with the F100 or EOS-3. The Pentax flagship would be the EOS-1v/F5 counterpart which would cost at least $1200-$1500. Even if such a beast were available with better FPS, AF x-sensors, etc., I know that I would still prefer my MZ-S at the lower price (given my needs). Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. But for Minolta theirs never was a flagship. It was just a boosted up mid-line model without much, or any, technology or feature not available elsewhere in the line-up. Hence, hardly anyone noticed. However, features like IS and USM may be developed for a flagship but lower end models will take advantage of it as well. Theres no doubt that if IS and USM can be used with the MZ-S it's sales will increase as well. Pål
Re: Vivitar lenses
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VS1 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Zoom is an outstanding lens. Hmm. Sounds interesting. How close does this lens focus? -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Sorry Ed for my error and thank you, Bruce, for correcting it. I didn't realise the difference between servo focus and predictive focus, and still not fully, so the clarify this issue: is servo focus about the same as Nikon's continuous focus? And know I've become curious also, how much faster and convenient the MZ-S's advanced 6-area focus truly is? And what about difference in metering? Caus' I use a MZ-5 and think about grabbing a MZ-3 because of the extra features, but if the MZ-S is really that big a jump ahead, it would possibly be worth the extra bucks :) Rod. - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 18:58 Subject: Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Action? the mz-3 has predictive focus, when set to multi frame advance it will continue to focus if the subject is moving across the sensor once it locked on but stops after the shot. --- Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are automatically in servo mode. Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Rectangular filter systems
O Pentaxians -- Do any of you use these? Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. I'd be happy to hear comments, praise, damns-with-faint-praise, caveats, yike-don't-do-thats, etc. from the assembled wisdom. Best regards, Stephen Moore
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
I have a mz-3 and want to go to a mz-s, unless a new flagship comes out --- Rodelion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Ed for my error and thank you, Bruce, for correcting it. I didn't realise the difference between servo focus and predictive focus, and still not fully, so the clarify this issue: is servo focus about the same as Nikon's continuous focus? And know I've become curious also, how much faster and convenient the MZ-S's advanced 6-area focus truly is? And what about difference in metering? Caus' I use a MZ-5 and think about grabbing a MZ-3 because of the extra features, but if the MZ-S is really that big a jump ahead, it would possibly be worth the extra bucks :) Rod. - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 18:58 Subject: Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Action? the mz-3 has predictive focus, when set to multi frame advance it will continue to focus if the subject is moving across the sensor once it locked on but stops after the shot. --- Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are automatically in servo mode. Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro - RETRY
Steve, I believe the operation of this lens is similar to that of the FA200/4 ED. To engage the limiter function, place the limiting switch on the lens to full and adjust the focus to the extreme to which you would like to bias focusing, i.e., infinity for the normal stuff, or max close focus for the macro work, then switch the switch back to limit. That should work every time and really cut down on the hunting. Jason PS - With the MZ-S, I have found you need to do this with the body turned on. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro I just got this lens. I plan to use it for macro work (duh) and as a instead of a 135mm telephoto. (The feel of the lens is wonderful by the way. What a tank! It balances so well on the MZ-S with the Grip) I'm having a little trouble getting used to the range limiter, however. I want to us mostly MF for macro work but AF for normal distances. I can't quite get the hang of the limiter, and the lens seems to always hunt through the whole focus range, which is huge. Any suggestions from the Cognoscenti? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Nikon and Minolta found it rather pointless. It had absolutely zero impact something that cannot be said about the ES... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Bruce wrote: Are these, like, every lens ever made, catalog entries, or real (you can buy) AF lenses in current production? I'm talking production numbers. Not exclusively AF lenses. I find the idea of a digital slr that take 70's or 80's lenses, in addition to current ones, to be a sound one with an obvious market potential. The fact that there are about 26 000 000 genuine Pentax lenses in existence that will fit a Pentax digital camera is, in my opinion, a good argument for marketing one. But I agree with Keppler that if the PJ market is the target market, a Pentax digital slr don't make much sense. Pål
RE: Rectangular filter systems
-Original Message- From: Stephen Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:12 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Rectangular filter systems O Pentaxians -- Do any of you use these? Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. I'd be happy to hear comments, praise, damns-with-faint-praise, caveats, yike-don't-do-thats, etc. from the assembled wisdom. I use a Cokin P holder and various filters from different manufacturers for 35mm and 645. They work fine, I have no complaints. tv
Re: Sleeper Lens / another 35mm 2450 scan
JA Since my once brilliant local repair shop has been bought out by the jokers JA from Vancouver, I don't trust them any longer. Also, won't such a retrofit JA need both the focusing and light meter recalibrating? JA James Yes, it will need both recalibrating. It's worth the effort though, IMO. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek
Rectangular filter systems
Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. if you use a ND gradient filter of any type, you cannot use a direct screw-on filter except in the most limited of circumstances. you have to go to a separate filter system with moveable filters. Cokin filters are prone to fading or color shifting, so be prepared to replace them periodically. other vendors should be more fade resistant. Herb
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because there is nothing wrong wiht what he said. larger area doesn't mean more pixels unless they designed the sensor that way. Herb...
Re: Rectangular filter systems
the only complaint is that i can't attach lens hood so there is more likely to have flare. - Original Message - From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Rectangular filter systems O Pentaxians -- Do any of you use these? Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. I'd be happy to hear comments, praise, damns-with-faint-praise, caveats, yike-don't-do-thats, etc. from the assembled wisdom. Best regards, Stephen Moore
Fw: [Spotmatic] OT:I say: where's the PDML?
- Original Message - From: Conrad Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: [Spotmatic] OT:I say: where's the PDML? I say you chaps, I know this is off topic, but what has happened to the PDML? I used to get the mail every day but there's been nothing for almost two weeks. All my efforts to reach anyone has gone unanswered. Anyone know anything? -- Conrad Samuels Kirstenhof SA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/DdIolB/TM -~- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Green inserts maybe? Gorgonzola dolce? Yummie. Matjaz Green cheese? yuck! --- Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's green, I swear! R - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to double digit negative growth as the DSLRs get better and cheaper. The window of opportunity for new world class (as opposed to boutique class) SLRs closed 4 years ago. Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs. From: Pål Jensen But for Minolta theirs never was a flagship. It was just a boosted up mid-line model without much, or any, technology or feature not available elsewhere in the line-up. Hence, hardly anyone noticed. However, features like IS and USM may be developed for a flagship but lower end models will take advantage of it as well. Theres no doubt that if IS and USM can be used with the MZ-S it's sales will increase as well.
Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs.
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Move to Nevada. It looks like they're getting close . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 04:05PM ...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs.
Re[2]: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR onPhotokina?)
the *density* of pixels is limited by current technology. otherwise there would have been dozens of 100MP digicams everywhere, with 1mm sensors, right? so, unless the manufacturers are trying to lower the pixel count on purpose (e.g. to increase the light sensitivity/lower noise), the larger size means precisely larger pixel count. just like with film: larger neg size-more pixels. or, less pixels, but with increased iso speed. the keyword was unlike which is plain stupid. best, mishka. -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because there is nothing wrong wiht what he said. larger area doesn't mean more pixels unless they designed the sensor that way. Herb...
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I find AE in any form much more of a landmark than the aperture priority AE ES pentax dished up 5 years laterBTW, Pentax did finally offer shutter priority AE with the A series cameras, 15 years after the leaders in that area. JCO -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Nikon and Minolta found it rather pointless. It had absolutely zero impact something that cannot be said about the ES... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. I think Kristian gets the credit. Jung would have been proud. . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro
Yes, I have the lens, and it is a beauty. The limiter is there so you don't have to use the whole range. Get the lens on the long end and then turn on the limiter, and it won't hunt. Same for the macro (though you be using MF :)) set it low and turn the limiter switch. Now it won't hunt in the higher end. - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Focus range Limiter on the FA 100 2.8 Macro I just got this lens. I plan to use it for macro work (duh) and as a instead of a 135mm telephoto. (The feel of the lens is wonderful by the way. What a tank! It balances so well on the MZ-S with the Grip) I'm having a little trouble getting used to the range limiter, however. I want to us mostly MF for macro work but AF for normal distances. I can't quite get the hang of the limiter, and the lens seems to always hunt through the whole focus range, which is huge. Any suggestions from the Cognoscenti? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Bruce wrote: Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. But Minolta had huge sucess with their 7000 in spite of being a Minolta. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. But do anyone recover RD cost on such cameras? The Nikon F100 oves it's existence from Nikon's wish to recover the F5's RD cost. Flagships mission aren't to be profitable but to boost the companies image. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to double digit negative growth as the DSLRs get better and cheaper. The window of opportunity for new world class (as opposed to boutique class) SLRs closed 4 years ago. Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs. This is exactly where a case can be made. Digital cameras will be cheaper whereas film based cameras will be more expensive. It's conceivable that few in the future will be willing to pay premium (whatever premium will be in the future) for a digital camera due to their built in obsolence. Whereas film cameras will cater more to enthusiasts. Neither the camera industry nor the film industry believe in a total digital conversion. Anyway, if Pentax wants to be a player in the digital slr field, they need modern features as well. The only suitable launchpad for new technology is still film based cameras; the digitals only receive repackaged (and paid for) technology from film slr's. If Pentax plan to market IS and USM anytime soon, they have no choice but to launch it along with film slr(s). In other words, a flagship and new lenses may be a strategic move made for a digital future. Another argument is that there are limits on how long you saturate the market with the same selection of lenses. My guess would be that much Pentax lens line is slower selling now than ever due to the fact that the majority of customers have the lenses they want. Pentax, in particular, has been busy lately catering to existing customers, not new ones without lenses. Although I'm slightly sceptical to major launches at Photokina, it would be funny if your last sentence above turn into one of those famous last words... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I think my point was that hardly anyone wanted AE in the 60's. Particularly not in that form.. Pål
Re: Rectangular filter systems
Hi, Steven. First, it is a hazard to use Cokin P on lenses with 77mm filter diameter. The reason is simple. If you measure the diameter on inside of the Cokin P holder, it's 75mm. I know it is proclaimed to work with some lenses of larger diameters, but don't count on it. It produce detectable vignetting with lenses like 645A*300/4, 645A45/2.8, FA*400/5.6 and to some extent on FA*24/2 and FA20/2.8. I know, why put a filter on a 400, but a gradual gray comes in handy sometimes anyway. Its is true as has been said about the cokins that they can change colour over time. My gradual gray (G2) give a slight green cast, and recently I discovered my pola to give a blue-greyish tint. They're both in line for the thrashcan as soon as I can have them replaced. The big advantage of Cokins is availability and price. Btw, Cokin also produce a filter series larger than the P. But more pricey of course. You mentioned Singh-Ray; other brands are Lee and Tiffen. http://www.leefilters.com/ http://www.tiffen.com/ Best, Jostein - Original Message - From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:11 PM Subject: Rectangular filter systems O Pentaxians -- Do any of you use these? Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. I'd be happy to hear comments, praise, damns-with-faint-praise, caveats, yike-don't-do-thats, etc. from the assembled wisdom. Best regards, Stephen Moore
Re: Vivitar lenses
Hi, Mark. Hmm. Sounds interesting. How close does this lens focus? The VS1 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Zoom focuses to 45cm or 17.7 in., subject to front of lens, or to 69cm or 27.2 in., subject to film plane, for a magnification of 1:4 at 90mm, and of 1:2 at 180mm. Fred
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won't have to find boxes to pack stuff in and get to a post office, and what if the stuff is damaged in shipping, and the buyer stops payment on your cheque? Stay local, my boy!! vbg regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hi, Pal, The Yashica Electro 35 had an aperture priority electronic shutter. When did they come out, around 1968? Maybe earlier. I'm quite certain that they preceded the ES. Of course, they were rangefinders, so the ES would be the first aperture priority SLR with an electronic shutter, AFAIK. Of course, I could be wrong... regards, frank Pal Jensen wrote: Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: No Pentax CSLR on Cheesekina?
On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:13:54 -0400 Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. Whilst there is no doubt the new range of cheese cameras will be popular in their initial release, I would say to hold off. The Mozzerella with all its low price will appeal to many but for the instant gratificatin crowd, and reminicient of the polariod instamatic days, we see a return of the slices. Not to be outdone, several companies seem to have embraced other portable types and good Stilton is availble in the UK, this has been sold in US previously as English Cheddar without much impact on the Market. For the Pro crowd we see Cashel Blue is the big winner, with its ergonimic design it is sure to please those with a larger budget. The avid amatuers have not been forgotten with a stunning range of improvements and accessories to their favourites. The Brie and Camemnbert range remain in vogue, with some new packaging while the latest offering in this range is Parmesan, many manufacturer have tried to copy this by releasing their Romano range. Personally I see little difference exept in price. For the mums and dads the ever popular cheddar is still the favorite and we see many newcomers to this market. This is favorite for beginners or those who simply want a cheese that easy to find and little is needed in the way of accessorries, which are in much demand now. The greatest omission seems to be the lack of a Cheesy offering from one major manufacturer who is yet to produce a cheese plate. This omission maybe due to secrecy or simply the wait for the new cheeses to bed themselves into the market. They have a full range of other cheeses to keep most, but not the hip crowd, satisfied. The hip crowd are said to be cheesed off by this but are willing to wait. The displays are full of new knives, cutting boards and a range of wines that I have over sampled. Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia
Re: Rectangular filter systems
Jostein wrote: The reason is simple. If you measure the diameter on inside of the Cokin P holder, it's 75mm. I know it is proclaimed to work with some lenses of larger diameters, but don't count on it. It produce detectable vignetting with lenses like 645A*300/4, 645A45/2.8, FA*400/5.6 and to some extent on FA*24/2 and FA20/2.8. It does not vignette with the FA645 45/2.8 lens. Pål
LX SA37 Screen
Folks Please remind me - this is a microprism spot for - telephoto, yes? Thanks Peter
Re: No Pentax CSLR on Cheesekina?
YES!!! - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: No Pentax CSLR on Cheesekina? On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:13:54 -0400 Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. Whilst there is no doubt the new range of cheese cameras will be popular in their initial release, I would say to hold off. The Mozzerella with all its low price will appeal to many but for the instant gratificatin crowd, and reminicient of the polariod instamatic days, we see a return of the slices. Not to be outdone, several companies seem to have embraced other portable types and good Stilton is availble in the UK, this has been sold in US previously as English Cheddar without much impact on the Market. For the Pro crowd we see Cashel Blue is the big winner, with its ergonimic design it is sure to please those with a larger budget. The avid amatuers have not been forgotten with a stunning range of improvements and accessories to their favourites. The Brie and Camemnbert range remain in vogue, with some new packaging while the latest offering in this range is Parmesan, many manufacturer have tried to copy this by releasing their Romano range. Personally I see little difference exept in price. For the mums and dads the ever popular cheddar is still the favorite and we see many newcomers to this market. This is favorite for beginners or those who simply want a cheese that easy to find and little is needed in the way of accessorries, which are in much demand now. The greatest omission seems to be the lack of a Cheesy offering from one major manufacturer who is yet to produce a cheese plate. This omission maybe due to secrecy or simply the wait for the new cheeses to bed themselves into the market. They have a full range of other cheeses to keep most, but not the hip crowd, satisfied. The hip crowd are said to be cheesed off by this but are willing to wait. The displays are full of new knives, cutting boards and a range of wines that I have over sampled. Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Not to worry Frank.. everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first before going anywhere else. Incidently.. the 90mm Macro already has an interested party and I have let that party know that they will be first. That being said.. the 35-105 SMC-A f3.5, the Vivitar 19mm f3.8 and the 50mm f1.4 SMC-M all need homes still.. I'm still waiting though for photokina... please Pentax.. don't disappoint :) Dave -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won't have to find boxes to pack stuff in and get to a post office, and what if the stuff is damaged in shipping, and the buyer stops payment on your cheque? Stay local, my boy!! vbg regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: No Pentax CSLR on Cheesekina?
I heard that the Camemnbert bodies were ~very~ runny, and that the cat ate them... In a nutshell. And I thought to myself, a little fermented curd will do the trick, so, I curtailed my Walpoling activites, sallied forth, and infiltrated your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some cheesy comestibles! :-) -frank Kevin Waterson wrote: The Brie and Camemnbert range remain in vogue, with some new packaging while the latest offering in this range is Parmesan, many manufacturer have tried to copy this by releasing their Romano range. Personally I see little difference exept in price. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: LX SA37 Screen
You are correct sir :) Microprism field only (that's what it says in the instructions I have for the SE-20 screen) Checking the chart.. especially compatible with long telephoto lenses - 200mm through to the 1200mm Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LX SA37 Screen Folks Please remind me - this is a microprism spot for - telephoto, yes? Thanks Peter
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hey, Dave, You obviously missed my point. I wanted you to offer them to ~me~ before the list! I'm thinking Viv 19mm, SMC 1.4 50mm, and the LX body... g -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: Not to worry Frank.. everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first before going anywhere else. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re[2]: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
Rod, I'm not really sure that there is enough difference between and MZ-5 and MZ-3 to warrant picking up the body for the *extra* features. I think I would save my money for an MZ-S or some future Pentax body. And yes, Servo mode is about like Nikon's continuous focus. Currently, only the PZ-1p and the MZ-S have this mode that I am aware of. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:11:39 PM, you wrote: R Sorry Ed for my error and thank you, Bruce, for correcting it. I didn't R realise the difference between servo focus and predictive focus, and still R not fully, so the clarify this issue: is servo focus about the same as R Nikon's continuous focus? R And know I've become curious also, how much faster and convenient the MZ-S's R advanced 6-area focus truly is? And what about difference in metering? Caus' R I use a MZ-5 and think about grabbing a MZ-3 because of the extra features, R but if the MZ-S is really that big a jump ahead, it would possibly be worth R the extra bucks :) R Rod. R - Original Message - R From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] R To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] R Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 18:58 R Subject: Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Action? the mz-3 has predictive focus, when set to multi frame advance it will continue to focus if the subject is moving across the sensor once it locked on but stops after the shot. --- Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the MZ-3 does have servo focus. However, it is only available in the action auto picture mode. Switch the main dial to action and you are automatically in servo mode. Bruce Dayton wrote: Ronald, There is a big difference in price between these two models. Also, there is a big difference in build quality and some features. On the AF front, the MZ-S has 6 selectable sensors and has the most advanced AF algorithms of any Pentax camera. The MZ-3 has only 3 sensors selectable between spot and wide area. Also the MZ-S has true servo based focus mode while the MZ-3 does not. This means that you can hold down the shutter button all the while panning on your subject and the camera will continuously focus. Just fire at the desired moment. On the MZ-3 you will have to constantly press/release the shutter button to achieve the same capability. Bruce Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 12:19:25 AM, you wrote: RdL I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which RdL is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my RdL opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster, RdL and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for, RdL Rod. RdL - Original Message - RdL From: mrlighthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RdL Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39 RdL Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3 Hi All, I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two of them. I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on RdL the extreme ends. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Ed Wong __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: No Pentax CSLR on Cheesekina?
We're holding out for the fine English craftsmanship of the Wensleydale Rangefinder (with cranberries). We hear you need to leave it out until it reaches room temperature for best optical performance/flavor. Regards, Wallace and Gromit Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians.
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because there is nothing wrong wiht what he said. larger area doesn't mean more pixels unless they designed the sensor that way. But even if a larger CCD *doesn't* have more pixels it will have a higher *analog* resolution (in terms of the number of line pairs that can be resolved across the frame). A full-frame CCD would be 36mm wide and the Nikon D100 CCD is 23.7mm wide. So if you use a lens with a resolution of, say, 50 Line Pairs per Millimeter (I'm picking this value as an example to make the math easier), you'll get a total of 1800 line pairs across the width of the full frame but only 1185 across the width of the D100 frame. For prints, a resolution of 5 lpm is the bare minimum and there's no visual improvement going over 10 lpm. And, using the figures I calculated above, a 10-inch wide print from the full-frame CCD would have a resolution of 7.09 lpm but the same size print from the D100 would have a resolution of only 4.67 lpm. And that's using the *exact same lens*... and CCDs with the *same* megapixel count. This is why many Nikon users report marginal performing lenses in their system don't work well with their digital SLRs. The dirty little secret of digital photography is that the number by which you multiply your focal length (to get 35mm equivalent) is also the number by which you have to DIVIDE your lens' resolution. It's a mathematically inevitable result of using the smaller CCD. Of course, with high quality lenses (better than the 50 lpm in my example) you can get away with dividing your resolution by 1.5 and still get good images. If you use a digital camera with a low megapixel count (effectively having less resolution than the lenses you're using), I suppose the bit about bigger sensors not producing higher resolution might hold true, but most interchangable-lense digital cameras are going to be high megapixel cameras almost by definition. 6 megapixels is going to be the de facto minimum from now on. The idea of using smaller CCDs is attractive in some respects and will always be worthwhile for some people like wildlife specialists, but it'll require a quantum improvement in lens design to get the same image quality we have now with 35mm. The Foveon chip in the Sigma SLR (is that on the market yet?) is so small that you need lenses with 174% better resolution (read that again: 174% better) to get the *same* end resolution as with a full frame. Increasing the megapixel count with a small CCD won't help either. It's sort of like using finer-grained film. You can't get a Pentax 110 camera (or an APS) to produce 35mm-quality images just by using a finer-grained film. (And you can't get medium format results from a 35mm camera that way.) This, rather than compatibility with wide angle lenses, is what's really driving the move to larger CCDs. However: I expect that, even after Canon and Nikon come out with full-frame digital SLRs, they'll continue to make cameras like the D60 (1.6x magnification) and the D1 (1.3x) because the trade-off will be worth while for many photographers like wildlife and sports specialists. In the future, photographers may carry two different camera bodies with different CCD sizes (even if they have identical megapixel count) the way that they now carry camera bodies loaded with different film. (Since you can instantly switch digital cameras from one ISO rating to another and from color to BW, camera makers need another reason to make photographers buy more than one body and CCD size is a natural way to fulfill this need.) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Rectangular filter systems
I believe that the graduated gray filters work based on what I've seen in several different publications. The before and after pictures convinced me. I bought the Cokin P ones because they're cheap and I wanted to make sure they made a difference before I went for the expensive glass ones. I used them last weekend and I haven't gotten my pictures back yet so I can't tell you how I did. I can tell you that it's difficult to see the line between light and dark when you look through the viewfinder. You have to stop down pretty far for the filter to work effectively and the viewfinder gets dark enough that it's hard to see the difference that the filter makes. The articles mention that turning the filter makes it easier to see. I'll keep practicing... Tom Reese Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately I've been feeling the need for an ND grad, which sort of precludes the screw-on approach. The Cokin P system, at 84mm, seems big enough for most Pentax lenses except the really big glass and one of the 6x7 lenses that has a 100mm filter diameter. Singh-Ray seems to favor this size as well. I'd be happy to hear comments, praise, damns-with-faint-praise, caveats, yike-don't-do-thats, etc. from the assembled wisdom.
Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:11:39 +0200, Rodelion wrote: And know I've become curious also, how much faster and convenient the MZ-S's advanced 6-area focus truly is? And what about difference in metering? Caus' I use a MZ-5 and think about grabbing a MZ-3 because of the extra features, but if the MZ-S is really that big a jump ahead, it would possibly be worth the extra bucks :) I can't say anything about the MZ-3, 'cause I haven't used one. The MZ-S, however, has _much_ better AF than the ZX/MZ-5. It works in _much_ lower light levels than the ZX/MZ-5, it doesn't hunt as much, and it locks faster. I'll find out just how much faster in about two weeks when the historics are at Road Atlanta. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!)
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
give us a clue? - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?) Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!)
RE: Using two AF500FTZ's
If you use the right leads and a Pentax flash distributor, it should be possible to hook up 2x500FTZ's to any digital TTL camera (i.e. Z-1 etc). all you need is the bits and pieces. cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using two AF500FTZ's I have heard both on the PDML and other places that you can use two AF500FTZ's together (I have the PZ-1p and 645n) to get some very pleasing effects using contrast control and also in manual mode by setting up one as TTL and the other as slave (manual). I would like to hear from those of you who have (or have heard of) experience in this. I am particularly interested in the concept of hooking up both AF500FTZ's to the camera in TTL mode. How might this be done. I have some ideas but would like to hear yours. I know the PZ-1p will do contrast control with an AF500FTZ and the onboard flash, but what about two flash units. All input is welcome. Thanks in advance, Glen O'Neal
RE: Using two AF500FTZ's
but who's in control of the lighting? You or the flashes? -Original Message- From: Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using two AF500FTZ's If you use the right leads and a Pentax flash distributor, it should be possible to hook up 2x500FTZ's to any digital TTL camera (i.e. Z-1 etc). all you need is the bits and pieces. cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using two AF500FTZ's I have heard both on the PDML and other places that you can use two AF500FTZ's together (I have the PZ-1p and 645n) to get some very pleasing effects using contrast control and also in manual mode by setting up one as TTL and the other as slave (manual). I would like to hear from those of you who have (or have heard of) experience in this. I am particularly interested in the concept of hooking up both AF500FTZ's to the camera in TTL mode. How might this be done. I have some ideas but would like to hear yours. I know the PZ-1p will do contrast control with an AF500FTZ and the onboard flash, but what about two flash units. All input is welcome. Thanks in advance, Glen O'Neal
