where's the *istD?
Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? JCO
Re: where's the *istD?
on 29.07.03 10:37, J. C. O'Connell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? AFAIK it will be available by the end of august, so we should wait another month. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: News from DPReview
Alan, I meant only a little, very little irony by that sentence. Of course Fuji is not just yet another company. In fact, their cameras of this class are getting very attractive to me. Oh no... that wasn't supposed to be an insult of any sort. Pls don't misunderstand. Really. :-) I was somewhat dissatisfied with Fuji 602 camera that one of my co-workers has. But it seems that the newest offering improves on some areas that were lacking in Fuji 602. Anyway, with each such announcement one has to admit that Pentax is getting deeper and deeper into trouble. I don't understand the 602 that much. I mean, who would pay that much for a 3MP model? For the same amount of money, I prefer G2/3/5. regards, Alan Chan _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: News from DPReview
You are totally wrong Alan! It won't be just another August - it will be at least August 2006 ;-) 2006 Pentax ad - LIMITED 3.1MP Classic digital camera. Only from Pentax~~~ BTW they promised several new digital cameras in this year, so maybe? Yup, dream on Sylwek... More exciting products right? I remember that! Where are they btw? regards, Alan Chan _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: where's the *istD?
Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? AFAIK it will be available by the end of august, so we should wait another month. Or early Sept, which could add another 2 weeks. By the time they were shipped world wide, it would be the end of Sept, or early Oct. So it would actually be mid Oct. Cool... :-) regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: News from DPReview
on 29.07.03 10:35, Boris Liberman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was somewhat dissatisfied with Fuji 602 camera that one of my co-workers has. But it seems that the newest offering improves on some areas that were lacking in Fuji 602. This new Fuji seems terrific to me too. I might be tempted... Anyway, with each such announcement one has to admit that Pentax is getting deeper and deeper into trouble. I don't think they will fall into financial trouble - new digi cameras (Optio S, Optio 33L and Optio 550) sell very well. But I afraid they will lost a lot of its image as a photo world company - they could become cheapo-digito-camero company as it is with HP. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 3
The Lower Arrow lake in BC is somewhat smaller on the surface than Loch Ness, but they don't know precisely how deep it is, as they haven't been able to find the bottom yet. Somewhere over 3000 meters, apparently. William, A nice story, tho I suspect there is more than a small element of 'shaggy dog' in it :-) Perhaps not unlike the Loch Ness Monster! Chris (A Shaggy Dog Story for those who don't know, is one where the facts don't necessarily get in the way of the story).
RE: Letter from Scotland - Day 3
Cotty, did you by any chance visit Urquhart Castle? Because I understand there's a new visitor's center there. I was there back in 1993, did the lake cruise and the Nessie Experience. Had a great time there. Inverness really is a pretty little town. Hi Amita, Didn't actually walk around it - the boat ride went within a hundred feet of it so we got a good view. We're certainly going back to the loch soon so may well get a chance to visit it properly. In fact the opposite side there's a place called Dores that I want to have a look at - areas where one can walk along a stony beach and contemplate the monsters within ;-) Another piece of trivia I recall about the Loch...it's deep enough for the Empire State Building to be completely submerged in it. :) Indeed. Brits usually equate length or depth of something with regard to Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square, but the Empire State is obviously much taller and so more impressive when submerged in the loch ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 3
The Lower Arrow lake in BC is somewhat smaller on the surface than Loch Ness, but they don't know precisely how deep it is, as they haven't been able to find the bottom yet. ...they keep sending people down to look but none have returned... ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: News from DPReview
on 29.07.03 10:45, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006 Pentax ad - LIMITED 3.1MP Classic digital camera. Only from Pentax~~~ and: You can't go wrong for only $1500! ;-) More exciting products right? I remember that! Where are they btw? Don't you like just annouced DigiBino 200? ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: News from DPReview
I don't think they will fall into financial trouble - new digi cameras (Optio S, Optio 33L and Optio 550) sell very well. But I afraid they will lost a lot of its image as a photo world company - they could become cheapo-digito-camero company as it is with HP. I think that has already happened to Pentax. Many people have considered Pentax as a cheap brand even before the digital era. regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: where's the *istD?
on 29.07.03 10:48, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or early Sept, which could add another 2 weeks. By the time they were shipped world wide, it would be the end of Sept, or early Oct. So it would actually be mid Oct. Cool... :-) By that time, many people who wanted to buy small and light DSLR will choose Canon Rebel D (rumoured wide lately). It will appear two months before *istD and will be 400$ cheaper... Oh, did I mention that it will accept every EF lens that have been produced in the last 20 years??? -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: News from DPReview
Hi! Oh no... that wasn't supposed to be an insult of any sort. Pls don't misunderstand. Really. :-) Ok, will do. In fact it is often happens to me - without being able to hear your actual intonation ... Sometimes I tend to misunderstand things. I don't understand the 602 that much. I mean, who would pay that much for a 3MP model? For the same amount of money, I prefer G2/3/5. This and new cameras as well have Super CCD sensor which has two light sensitive elements per pixel. This way one is supposed to get wider dynamic range which may make this camera rather attractive for an educated prosumer. Otherwise, I am with you. The Fuji 700(0) that is just announced has 6 MP CCD but can produce 12 MP images by means of approximation. When I tried 602 at 3 MP (no approximation/interpolation/whatever) I got only reasonable results, no more. What bothers me most is that Super CCD has probably 4th generation coming up. Nikon developed their own version of CMOS for fast shooting and Sony announced 8MP sensor if I am not mistaken. Pentax's camera is already old even before it came out. I still need to choose which scanner to buy grin. Boris
Info about Pentax ES
Hi, Could anyone tell me something about (zoom)lenses for the Pentax ES camera??? It's a Pentax camera created in 1972 so there isn't much information on the internet about it. Please help me Bye, Joris Oosterhuis
Re: where's the *istD?
Hi! Or early Sept, which could add another 2 weeks. By the time they were shipped world wide, it would be the end of Sept, or early Oct. So it would actually be mid Oct. Cool... :-) You mean Cool as in later autumn weather, don't you? grin I can see now why MZ-D got cancelled. Perhaps the market outline was similar and the manager/executive who saw no reason to put out the camera prevailed... Boris
Re: Going Rate for A* 85mm f/1.4
I bought mint in box from a US seller 2 years ago for $960. I sold a year later (sniff) when I shed a load of gear pay for digital and received $1150 (£750) [exchange rate then] from a UK buyer. You might pick up a well beaten example for 500 bucks? Worth paying more for a good one. There is no other lens like it in Pentax (well duh, obviously) but what I mean is, it's just such a fabulous thing. I miss it dearly and would have one again in a flash if I could. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: News from DPReview
What bothers me most is that Super CCD has probably 4th generation coming up. Nikon developed their own version of CMOS for fast shooting and Sony announced 8MP sensor if I am not mistaken. Pentax's camera is already old even before it came out. Their rather slow progress sure makes us uncomfortable. :-( I still need to choose which scanner to buy grin. I have been using the 1st generation Minolta Scan Elite for a year, if that helps you to decide. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: where's the *istD?
Hi! Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By that time, many people who wanted to buy small and light DSLR will choose Canon Rebel D (rumoured wide lately). It will appear two months before *istD and will be 400$ cheaper... Oh, did I mention that it will accept every EF lens that have been produced in the last 20 years??? Sylwek, do you really want me that much to jump ships? grin Boris
Re: News from DPReview
on 29.07.03 10:53, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that has already happened to Pentax. Many people have considered Pentax as a cheap brand even before the digital era. Unfortunately thay have built such a image for many years. This reminds me conversation between my friend (MX and MZ-S user) and his sister (totally green in SLR cameras): she: What would you advice me to buy? I would like a good SLR he: Go for Pentax, you won't be disappointed she: Pentax? But I wanted a good camera... No comments. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: where's the *istD?
By that time, many people who wanted to buy small and light DSLR will choose Canon Rebel D (rumoured wide lately). It will appear two months before *istD and will be 400$ cheaper... Oh, did I mention that it will accept every EF lens that have been produced in the last 20 years??? Yeah, the fully intergated lens system is really cool... regards, Alan Chan _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: where's the *istD?
on 29.07.03 10:58, Boris Liberman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwek, do you really want me that much to jump ships? grin No i don't. I am just a little pesimistic sometimes ;-) Let's wait and see if rumoured *istD will appear in shops as promised... BTW someone mentioned on PDML, that by that time some new interesting accessories should appear (I hope for AF500FGZ... or something like that - stronger flash with P-TTL, wirelles etc.) - anyway that was information straight from Pentax USA... -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: where's the *istD?
Sylwek, do you really want me that much to jump ships? grin Actually not a bad idea if you have some cool Pentax gears to unload here before you jump. I would provide you a float if you like. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: News from DPReview
she: Pentax? But I wanted a good camera... That hurts... @_@ regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: where's the *istD?
No i don't. I am just a little pesimistic sometimes ;-) Let's wait and see if rumoured *istD will appear in shops as promised... BTW someone mentioned on PDML, that by that time some new interesting accessories should appear (I hope for AF500FGZ... or something like that - stronger flash with P-TTL, wirelles etc.) - anyway that was information straight from Pentax USA... Perhaps they would tease us with some interesting eyecups, magnifier or anglefinder. regards, Alan Chan _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: where's the *istD?
on 29.07.03 11:15, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps they would tease us with some interesting eyecups, magnifier or anglefinder. And new camera straps with enlarged pockets would be nice. You could hide in these pockets not only hot shoe cover but even Ø67mm lens cap too ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: where's the *istD?
And new camera straps with enlarged pockets would be nice. You could hide in these pockets not only hot shoe cover but even Ø67mm lens cap too ;-) Right, something like Pentax Badge Strap FB. Another world first. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: where's the *istD?
Hi! Actually not a bad idea if you have some cool Pentax gears to unload here before you jump. I would provide you a float if you like. :-) My gear inventory is rather modest: ZX-L + Battery Grip ME Super (recently kinda CLA'ed) FA 50/1.7 M 35/2.8 Tak K 135/2.5 Panagor MC Soligor 70-222/3.5 Manual Focus Sigma 28-135/3.8-5.6 IF AF Some more minor stuff... But then if you want either of zoom lenses, this can be arranged easily even now... Boris
Re: where's the *istD?
I'll keep the float... for now. :-) regards, Alan Chan My gear inventory is rather modest: ZX-L + Battery Grip ME Super (recently kinda CLA'ed) FA 50/1.7 M 35/2.8 Tak K 135/2.5 Panagor MC Soligor 70-222/3.5 Manual Focus Sigma 28-135/3.8-5.6 IF AF Some more minor stuff... But then if you want either of zoom lenses, this can be arranged easily even now... Boris _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
More questions
Hi! I've been reading Penta Club forums, you know grin. After all it comes only naturally to me - Pentax and Russian grin. There I saw for the first time this strange notion - mid range zoom lens. Let's see - 28-70/2.8 is top of the line or flagship. 28-105/3.2-4.5 or 28-105 PZ - consumer grade, low range. 24-90/3.2-4.5 - mid range? Does it make sense? Is indeed 24-90 is league above 28-105's and full league below 28-70/2.8? Why only now? It seems Pentax had no so called mid range zoom lenses before 24-90 came out... Thanks. Boris (who just wants to know)
Re: More questions
Hi Boris, on 29 Jul 03 you wrote in pentax.list: 28-70/2.8 is top of the line or flagship. 28-105/3.2-4.5 or 28-105 PZ - consumer grade, low range. 24-90/3.2-4.5 - mid range? Does it make sense? Is indeed 24-90 is league above 28-105's and full league below 28-70/2.8? Why only now? It seems Pentax had no so called mid range zoom lenses before 24-90 came out... I would say, that the 28-105PZ was a mid range products when it was released. There was no 28-105 consumer lens (iirc). Today 28-105s are much cheaper to produce (and have no PZ) so that we have the three classses you've mentioned. In some years the 24-xxx will be much cheaper and they will become consumer class. Cheers, Heiko
Re: where's the *istD?
- Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: Re: where's the *istD? Oh, did I mention that it will accept every EF lens that have been produced in the last 20 years??? My understanding that the *istD will accept any Pentax lens produced in the last 20 years. If it has an A setting, it will work with the *istD. Also, I hope to be able to attach my M 100/4.0 Macro to an *ist D at the GFM Camera Clinic next month. I'm thinking that if the aperture control button is taped down, the *istD will be usable in stop down metering mode. Bill
Re: Re: B/W PUG Favorites
Fra: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Observations on this month's bw PUG: ... Alan's clock shot is nifty. Not one I would have thought to take. Same with Thrane's ER5 composition. A late thank you for noticing (a cold and rainy holiday in the mountains is over), I like looking for unexpected views. This one shows a reflection in a broken mirror in a closed restaurant. (I forgot: LX, 85mm @ f/1,4, film: Provia 100F - saturation 0 in PS, but there were hardly any colours there anyway, see http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1647211) DagT
Re: where's the *istD?
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Bill Owens wrote: Also, I hope to be able to attach my M 100/4.0 Macro to an *ist D at the GFM Camera Clinic next month. I'm thinking that if the aperture control button is taped down, the *istD will be usable in stop down metering mode. I have not read much about the *istD. If it is like the MZ-30 for example, it just will not fire the shutter. If it's like the MZ-50 and if these things have adjustable ISO setting for the film (I know they have no film, but I am sure at least some have ISO references), then you may be able to do it without surgery. Kostas
OT: A Leica for Cesar
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2942889046category=30030 vbg -ciao, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Filters for FA 24-90?
Hi ya'll, I am eagerly awaiting my new FA 24-90, should be here tomorrow! Just wondering if anyone has had problems w/ using regular filters w/ the WA end of the lens OR if I need to invest in the *thin* profile filters. Thanks group! John Lingelbach
Re: Info about Pentax ES
Joris, You know you need the Super-Multi-Coated or SMC versions to get full aperture priority functions on the prime lenses. I don't know how this works on the zooms as I have a SMC f 4-5/85-210 zoom that does not carry the 2nd pin on the screwmount. From an old Honeywell Pentax (USA - 8/73) catalogue, it is the only zoom I show and has a retail price of $519.50. (Lens hood, close-up attachment lenses are supplied!) The catologue also shows a 85mm Ultra Achromatic Takumar f4.5 for $1,400. Figuring these are 1973 prices, we shouldn't be complaining about Limited lenses... Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could anyone tell me something about (zoom)lenses for the Pentax ES camera??? It's a Pentax camera created in 1972 so there isn't much information on the internet about it. Please help me
RE: OT: A Leica for Cesar
Ugh.. the lizard skin looks horrible but I'd be more worried about what that iguana is doing crawling all over a CL :-) cheers Dave Original Message: - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:25:17 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: A Leica for Cesar http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2942889046category=30030 vbg -ciao, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: OT: A Leica for Cesar
Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2942889046category=30030 vbg -ciao, frank Reminds me of an advice I got many years ago when wanting to buy a used car: Beware of to many stickers! They are there to hide something that would lower the price. DagT
Re: Filters for FA 24-90?
if you only put one, any regular 67mm filter will be fine. Herb - Original Message - From: John Lingelbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 07:45 Subject: Filters for FA 24-90? Hi ya'll, I am eagerly awaiting my new FA 24-90, should be here tomorrow! Just wondering if anyone has had problems w/ using regular filters w/ the WA end of the lens OR if I need to invest in the *thin* profile filters. Thanks group! John Lingelbach
Re: where's the *istD?
I expect solid news to start circulating next week. At 04:37 AM 7/29/03, throwing caution to the wind, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? JCO
OT:Which charges broker fees
I know this has been done to death,and i apologize,but a quick question. Is it UPS or Fedex that has the ridicules broker charges when something is shipped from the USA to Canada. Saw something i like at Adorama and they ship UPS and don't even ask for USPS etc etc. $50.00 shipping and possible high broker fees may scare me off this purchase. Dave BTW Markham fair pictures are almost picked.Some 6x7's are maybe going to make it.:-)
RE: OT:Which charges broker fees
UPS.. They will literally bend you over and give you a full body cavity search. I called them up to find out their brokerage fee on a $25 USD Contax filter - it was going to be $20 CDN. FedEx has never given me too much of a problem with respect to brokerage fees. Dave Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:19:11 US/Eastern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT:Which charges broker fees I know this has been done to death,and i apologize,but a quick question. Is it UPS or Fedex that has the ridicules broker charges when something is shipped from the USA to Canada. Saw something i like at Adorama and they ship UPS and don't even ask for USPS etc etc. $50.00 shipping and possible high broker fees may scare me off this purchase. Dave BTW Markham fair pictures are almost picked.Some 6x7's are maybe going to make it.:-) mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: News from DPReview
One month is long time to see if D*ist is introduced. As it was mentioned Canon can introduce new dslr which will cost no more than 1000$ and again Pentax is off the boat. I believe that when Pentax introduce D*ist C/N can lower the price of their D10 and D10 since so far they have made a profit selling them. And one D*ist is still too less. Some people want higher model and again C/N have 3 more cameras. The question is whether Pentax is able to release 4000$ model which will be bought by at least semi-pros. If not that be another calapse. Because few semi-pros/pros use Pentax system who can afford to buy such cameras and here is the biggest problem. If Canon introduce very expensive camera there are always people who buy it, for instance sport magazines, government agencies etc. Just look when there are any official meetings etc. So I wonder how Pentax is going to survive, even without IS/USM, real pro camera and only with FGZ360. Alek - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: Re: News from DPReview What bothers me most is that Super CCD has probably 4th generation coming up. Nikon developed their own version of CMOS for fast shooting and Sony announced 8MP sensor if I am not mistaken. Pentax's camera is already old even before it came out. Their rather slow progress sure makes us uncomfortable. :-( I still need to choose which scanner to buy grin. I have been using the 1st generation Minolta Scan Elite for a year, if that helps you to decide. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: News from DPReview
You are totally wrong Alan! It won't be just another August - it will be at least August 2006 ;-) 2006 Pentax ad - LIMITED 3.1MP Classic digital camera. Only from Pentax~~~ BTW they promised several new digital cameras in this year, so maybe? Yup, dream on Sylwek... More exciting products right? I remember that! Where are they btw? They are set to simultaneously release competing products. As the saying goes; if you can't beat the competition hand it to 'em on a plate... :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Missed PUG pic on website
I'm forever missing PUG. Anyway this one might not quite fit because there is a hint of colour. Comments appreciated.. Lots of manipulation. Started out as a colour shot, played with in photoshop and Painter to get the effect. Thanks vic http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/miketara.html
Re: OT:Which charges broker fees
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: RE: OT:Which charges broker fees Yes, agreed. Purolator is decent BUT if you're not at home they'll continually try to deliver the package for what seems like an eternity without ever leaving a message or calling card saying they were at your home. Never had this happen with Purolator. They will try to deliver, and if they fail, they leave a sticky note on the mailbox, and when the parcel gets back to the depot, they phone and leave a message asking to arrange either pick-up or delivery at my convenience. They have never abandoned a parcel in front of my house, have never damaged product being delivered, and have always been totally reliable and reasonable with their charges. The Post office works much the same way, except they don't phone. William Robb
Re: where's the *istD?
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: where's the *istD? Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? It will be released at the Ulan Bator show. William Robb
Re: News from DPReview
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk Subject: Re: News from DPReview Anyway, with each such announcement one has to admit that Pentax is getting deeper and deeper into trouble. I don't think they will fall into financial trouble - new digi cameras (Optio S, Optio 33L and Optio 550) sell very well. But I afraid they will lost a lot of its image as a photo world company - they could become cheapo-digito-camero company as it is with HP. Why not, they are already there with the SLR film cameras. William Robb
Re: OT:Which charges broker fees
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:19 AM Subject: OT:Which charges broker fees I know this has been done to death,and i apologize,but a quick question. Is it UPS or Fedex that has the ridicules broker charges when something is shipped from the USA to Canada. Saw something i like at Adorama and they ship UPS and don't even ask for USPS etc etc. $50.00 shipping and possible high broker fees may scare me off this purchase. Have you parcel shipped via any carrier other than UPS, and you will get it faster, more reliably and for less handling fees. Have it shipped via UPS and you had better pray you live in an honest area, because when they deliver, they leave it on the street in front of your house. William Robb
Re: News from DPReview
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'll se a 1D replacement, maybe called a 3D? 1.3 multiplier, 6 to 9 megs. That camera has to be fast, so the sensor won't be huge. This is the only segment they're feeling any pressure in, as the D2H comes to market. Yep. That's the first Canon DSLR I'd expect to see replaced, too. It already has a (physically) larger sensor so all they really *need* to do to beat the Nikon D2H is increase the buffer size and add wireless data transfer. Not even sure that would justify a new model number. Upping the pixel count to 6 meg would justify an new model designation but I don't know if they would bother increasing the pixel count for its intended PJ customers. I guess news photogs would always have the option of shooting at lower resolution if they wanted to. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: where's the *istD?
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? Pentax have probably been waiting for the discussion on this list to come to a close, so that they can finalise which features to incorporate and which ones to drop. vbg John
RE: where's the *istD?
I guess we'll find out next week. At 10:28 AM 7/29/03, throwing caution to the wind, Rob Brigham wrote: Inside info, or optimistic deduction? -Original Message- From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 July 2003 14:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: where's the *istD? I expect solid news to start circulating next week.
Re: News from DPReview
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk But I afraid they will lost a lot of its image as a photo world company - they could become cheapo-digito-camero company as it is with HP. Why not, they are already there with the SLR film cameras. Didn't they get into digital as a lens maker for HP cameras ? cheers, caveman
Re: where's the *istD?
Alan Chan wrote: Perhaps they would tease us with some interesting eyecups, magnifier or anglefinder. Rumours has it that Mr. Harakiri is working on the 1.77x anglefinder and 2.43x magnifier. Both limited. US will get the silver edition as usual. A limited eyecup, made from aluminum, is also in the workings. cheers, caveman
Re: where's the *istD?
whickersworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J. C. O'Connell wrote: Havent heard anything on this for a while. whats the latest news on release? Pentax have probably been waiting for the discussion on this list to come to a close, so that they can finalise which features to incorporate and which ones to drop. vbg HAR! Best quip I've seen on the list in a long time! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT:Which charges broker fees
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it UPS or Fedex that has the ridicules broker charges when something is shipped from the USA to Canada. Saw something i like at Adorama and they ship UPS and don't even ask for USPS etc etc. UPS Standard Service. But the brokerage fee is included in UPS Express/Express Plus/Expedited. So it would work out cheaper in going for the more expensive shipment option! And when you have the tracking number, you can call them for prepayment to avoid the disbursement fee. http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shipping/cost/zones/customs_clearance.html So avoid UPS Standard Service at all cost. Go with Fedex or UPS Express/Expedited. US Postal Service has flat $5 brokerage fee - but there is no shipment tracking; and some may not include insurance. And this can be a concern for expensive items. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
Re: Newbie Questions
William, Sorry I tweaked you, but I stand by my assertion that making good photographs with a Pentax camera does not depend on the exclusive use of Pentax OEM lenses. Maybe I'm crazy, but I sure I've made good photos with a Spotmatic with a Zeiss lens mounted. Or with an MX with a lowly Vivitar 28/2 CF. Your statement sounded to me just like that Canon ad in Pop Photo. The Canon ad is marketing drivel. ***Are you that moron troll that pops up to piss me off from time to time? Not that I know of, but I would be happy to assume the roll if you need someone to stand up to you with an opposing viewpoint every now and again. Just because you have plenty of time on your hands to sit on top of the list all day doesn't give you or your pronouncements any special status. ***The only reason to shoot Pentax bodies is to get to use their lenses. Ridiculous. There are many reasons to use a Pentax - the quality of the OEM lenses may simply be one of the best reasons. The availability of a wide range of excellent third party lenses - especially in M42 - is another. ***Experience of a working photographer, whether at it's best or worst, I don't know, but my customers never had a complaint. The experience of this working photographer has been that good photographs can be made with any good instrument, OEM or third party, or any combination thereof. It was a Newbie Question William, mind the context. And I think that newbies need third party lenses (or a substantial income) to build up a good kit of quality primes quickly - to save themselves from cheap zoom hell. Here's my full signature, in case you feel I was hiding behind my truncated Chris L. sig. Email me personally if you wish to take it off the list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but please refrain from calling as I'm struggling to meet a publication deadline. As of now it's not going well, but that has nothing to do with my cheap, prestige-challenged, third party lenses. Happy shooting, and good light to you. Christopher Lillja Director of Publications The Pennington School www.pennington.org (609) 737-6121
RE: DC PDML #9
-- Christian Skofteland wrote: -- -- Just got home from another DC-PDML outing. This time it -- was just myself, -- Cesar Matamoros and Stephen Moore. Much Dogfish Head was -- consumed along -- with chili in various forms at the Hard Times Cafe in College Park, -- Maryland. -- -- Always a pleasure to hang out with Cesar and Stephen and -- discuss the -- discussion (or something like that). -- -- Tom, you were missed (as were all the locals and otherwise -- who couldn't make -- it). -- -- Cheers! -- -- Quick optio snaps: -- http://www.xian.us/dcpdml09.html -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I only took a couple of shots with my Optio S. They can be viewed at http://cesar_abdul.fotopages.com [A vast majority of the shots there are taken with the Optio S]. I also took the trade-marked tv group shot similar to the one Christian posted, but it is still in the MZ-S. Had a great time, though at first I did not think anyone was going to show up. Interesting that this was a small gathering on the trip that I actually left my snake-skinned LXen at home. I didn't want Christian to get nightmares :-P No more travelling light from now on... Anyhow, I was forced to wait at the bar - where the first shot on the page above was taken. I am interested in seeing how the shots with the MZ-S and 31 Limited came out. A good time was had by all as we discussed many topics. And yes the PDML did come up - imagine that. That just shows you that if you don?t want to be talked about you need to attend all the gatherings :-) And I say this in the year that I am going to miss both gatherings at Grandfather Mountain :-( Next time I need to cart my some of my screwmount gear with me. Next time, next time... The roving PDML ambassador, Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland
Re: Newbie Questions
So I am the fourth. Constant good results troughout the range. And good bokeh, for nearby objects, too - see my july pug entry http://pug.komkon.org/03jul/green.html Regards Bernd ---original message-- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:01:22 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Newbie Questions Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Raimo wrote: A 4.5/80-200 SMC-M Pentax would fit your needs very well - if you can find one. Very sharp and contrasty (mine was sharper than 4/200 SMC-M Pentax that I had before it). Not expensive. REPLY: You're the second, if not the third, who claims the M 80-200/4.5 is better than the M 200/4. The M zoom represent the first generation of Pentax zooms that really took off saleswise. Almost certainly because it was quite good. The M zooms is not at all a shabby lens optically. Recommended as a budget zoom. Pål
Re: News from DPReview
By and large, 35mm IS for amateurs and hobbyists. Each time I do a shoot that involves both my 67 and 35mm, I come a step closer to getting rid of all my 35mm gear. It just doesn't even come close to the image quality that I have come to expect from the medium format, and the digital front is moving so fast on the 35mm world. I can easily see myself shooting digital when I need small and compact and shooting the 67 when I need the image quality. Bruce Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 7:15:23 AM, you wrote: SP on 29.07.03 16:05, Alek Kozak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wonder how Pentax is going to survive, even without IS/USM, real pro camera and only with FGZ360. SP Who knows? As a matter of fact, despite having only one pro-level camera in SP the past - LX - Pentax survived with their spotmatics, K-series, M-series SP etc. And maybe they treat 35mm only as a hobby? Afetr all this is leading SP manufacturer of pro medium-format cameras, medical and geological equipment, SP not to mention that it is one of the few suppliers of optical glass in the SP world... Compact digital cameraas seems to give them considerable amount of SP profit too. So they'll probably survive - but question is: what will be SP their image as a 35mm size SLR camera producer?
Re: *ist-D news
In a message dated 29/07/03 18:25:00 GMT Daylight Time, Mark writes: Pentax USA's national sales meeting is next week. Reps will get their *ist-D sales training there. There are RUMOURS about them getting *ist-D samples but they're only rumours, at this point. remarkably clued-up, Mark. D'ya fancy infiltrating the reps' conference, then? Kind regards Peter
RE: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time)
Yes I know, not timely but on topic since we just had a DC PDML gathering. Either you guys wait for me, or I will have to place an order. The question is - with whom will the order be safer? Still roving, César Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- -Original Message- -- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:06 PM -- -- As we all (don't?) know, Dogfish Head Shelter Pale Ale is -- the unofficial -- official beer of the DC-PDML. Well it turns out that they -- have begun -- distilling more potent beverages in the attic of their pub -- in Rehoboth Beach -- Delaware http://www.dogfish.com/spirits.cfm. Three kinds of -- rum, a gin and -- a vodka. The Brown Honey Rum and Wit Rum are gd! A -- friend has told -- me that he ranks the vodka (made from potatoes) amongst the -- best. (no word -- on the gin or White light Rum, but judging from the others, -- I'd guess it's -- pretty darn good too). The first bottles of rum I had was -- batch #1 bottles -- #83 and #84; I really should have kept one of those! -- -- Sadly, they are only available in Delaware and parts of Maryland and -- Virginia. -- -- Road trip Tom? -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
RE: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?
Cotty, I am gob-smacked! Never did I imagine I would be listed in this thread. I humbly bow with reddened face... I will have to let my parents know that they did allright with the naming... I reciprocate in saying that I have learned quite a few things from your posts the least is not the fact that we need to get together. And to that end, I am trying to line up a two-week trip to England probably in October. I will let everyone know. I should be based in London, but I can see a trip to Oxford and even sunny Brighton ;-) Jumping into a future thread from this original post - I am getting a kick out of the RV in Scotland... Cheers! Cesar Panama City, Florida last full day in Baltimore -- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:40 PM -- --snip are. He particularly so. -- -- I love Cesar's ramblings - really there could not have been more -- appropriate a name for this chap. -- -- The truth is, I could go on and mention everyone's name because I -- couldn't actually pin down one name overall that I thought -- had helped me -- the most. The actual answer for me is 'The List' - all the -- contributors -- have helped me in one way or the other over the (good grief -- I was going -- to write 'months', but it is now) years. -- -- Time to raise a glass to the PDML. French and white and cold and dry -- enough to cut your throat on. Cheers all. -- -- *parp* -- -- -- Cheers, -- Cotty -- -- -- ___/\__ -- || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps -- _ -- Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk --
RE: PDMLers to RV in Scotland
-- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:54 AM -- -- OK, based on Jostein's response, and Mr. Cotty, and some of -- the other -- meanderings here on the PDML, I hereby propose that we -- start planning -- for a World PDML Party to be held in Amsterdam late in the spring of -- 2004 (say, sometime in May). -- -- Just catching up with the digests. -- -- I'm afraid that with attending GFM 2004 and family holidays, anything -- else is out for me next year! The costs of inter-European -- flights can be -- pretty high, nowhere near the inexpensiveness of internal -- USA flights. -- -- Besides, I have a sneaking suspicion that GFM 2004 will be -- well attended :-) -- -- -- -- -- Cheers, -- Cotty -- I am going to assure that the triathlon that kept me from NPW this year will not do so next year. And yes, from the sounds of it next year's Nature Photography Weekend should be a well attended PDML gathering. Since I travel there by car look to see just about all my Pentax gear that weekend. Well, maybe not all the K-mount gear, but all the medium format, digital, and screwmount... Cesar Panama City, Florida Baltimore, Maryland
RE: Letter from Scotland - Day 1
So, I can take the credit for the reports of your trip - I accept it with much honor... I have noted though that you have raised the bar on those reports. My piddly little paragraphs are no match for your eloquence... But I will humbly continue to keep all interested informed of my meanderings... until the lists tells me - no more! Then I will still continue, but then again you would not expect any less from someone with two of his five LXen skinned in snake ;') I really should go back to work, I am actually finally on-week for the list! Cesar Panama City, Florida Baltimore, Maryland -- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:07 AM -- -- I so enjoy reading Cesar's little diatribes of his travels and being -- unable to catch up with the hundreds of backlogged emails -- from the PDML, -- that I am inspired to present a series of letters in the -- same vein, from -- bonny wee Scotland... -- -- Day 1 -- -- snip -- -- Cheers, -- Cotty --
OT: Digital Photos - My Son's Wedding
Just a note. Here are some pictures I took with a Sony S75 of #1 Son's wedding. (Some of you will remember his bout with testicular cancer 3 years ago.) http://members.aol.com/dontmailbob/TBA.jpg http://members.aol.com/dontmailbob/TBB.jpg http://members.aol.com/dontmailbob/TBC.jpg thru http://members.aol.com/dontmailbob/TBP.jpg Or just go to the index page... http://members.aol.com/dontmailbob and use your browser to select TBA.jpg, TBB.jpg, ... I'm generally satisfied with the shots. 3.2 megapixels works pretty good and I had a front row seat. I am still learning how to correct some of the strongly back-lit shots and off color stuff (daylight + flourescent) with Paint Shop Pro. Can I get some tips? Especially the redeye in the last photo of #2 Son giving a toast to the bride groom. Regards, Bob S.
Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time)
But will any of these more potent beverages show up at the GFM Camera Clinic? Hint hint, Tom Bill -- -Original Message- -- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:06 PM -- -- As we all (don't?) know, Dogfish Head Shelter Pale Ale is -- the unofficial -- official beer of the DC-PDML. Well it turns out that they -- have begun -- distilling more potent beverages in the attic of their pub -- in Rehoboth Beach -- Delaware http://www.dogfish.com/spirits.cfm. Three kinds of -- rum, a gin and -- a vodka. The Brown Honey Rum and Wit Rum are gd! A -- friend has told -- me that he ranks the vodka (made from potatoes) amongst the -- best. (no word -- on the gin or White light Rum, but judging from the others, -- I'd guess it's -- pretty darn good too). The first bottles of rum I had was -- batch #1 bottles -- #83 and #84; I really should have kept one of those! -- -- Sadly, they are only available in Delaware and parts of Maryland and -- Virginia. -- -- Road trip Tom? -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
limited eyecup (was Re: where's the *istD?)
My order for an ordinary standard eyecup for my MZ-S is close to 5 months and still have not got it. So how long would you reckon it takes to get a limited version Henk Terhell A limited eyecup, made from aluminum, is also in the workings. cheers, caveman
RE: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time)
You don't want to see me with a bottle of rum in my hand. tv -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time) But will any of these more potent beverages show up at the GFM Camera Clinic? Hint hint, Tom Bill -- -Original Message- -- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:06 PM -- -- As we all (don't?) know, Dogfish Head Shelter Pale Ale is -- the unofficial -- official beer of the DC-PDML. Well it turns out that they -- have begun -- distilling more potent beverages in the attic of their pub -- in Rehoboth Beach -- Delaware http://www.dogfish.com/spirits.cfm. Three kinds of -- rum, a gin and -- a vodka. The Brown Honey Rum and Wit Rum are gd! A -- friend has told -- me that he ranks the vodka (made from potatoes) amongst the -- best. (no word -- on the gin or White light Rum, but judging from the others, -- I'd guess it's -- pretty darn good too). The first bottles of rum I had was -- batch #1 bottles -- #83 and #84; I really should have kept one of those! -- -- Sadly, they are only available in Delaware and parts of Maryland and -- Virginia. -- -- Road trip Tom? -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time)
So, put the bottle of Rum in my hand. Bill - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: RE: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time) You don't want to see me with a bottle of rum in my hand. tv -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time) But will any of these more potent beverages show up at the GFM Camera Clinic? Hint hint, Tom Bill -- -Original Message- -- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:06 PM -- -- As we all (don't?) know, Dogfish Head Shelter Pale Ale is -- the unofficial -- official beer of the DC-PDML. Well it turns out that they -- have begun -- distilling more potent beverages in the attic of their pub -- in Rehoboth Beach -- Delaware http://www.dogfish.com/spirits.cfm. Three kinds of -- rum, a gin and -- a vodka. The Brown Honey Rum and Wit Rum are gd! A -- friend has told -- me that he ranks the vodka (made from potatoes) amongst the -- best. (no word -- on the gin or White light Rum, but judging from the others, -- I'd guess it's -- pretty darn good too). The first bottles of rum I had was -- batch #1 bottles -- #83 and #84; I really should have kept one of those! -- -- Sadly, they are only available in Delaware and parts of Maryland and -- Virginia. -- -- Road trip Tom? -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: News from DPReview
At 12:13 PM 7/29/2003 +0400, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Two very fascinating cameras just announced: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03072903finepixs5000.asp - 3 MP sensor (6 MP interpolated, 10x optical zoom) http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03072902finepixs7000.asp 6 MP sensor (12 MP interpolated, 5x optical zoom) Fuji definitely has a vision... I skimmed through the review so I may have just missed it - but is interpolation in the camera supposed to produce a better result that interpolation outside the camera? Anyone can rez-up a file (and the results are often OK). But I wouldn't want to save a rezzed-up file as my only copy of a shot, unless it can be done better within the camera than in Photoshop or with Genuine Fractals. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
*ist-D Canadian price
At a local shop, Kerrisdale Camera in Victoria, I was told that the *ist-D would be available soon. This shop lists the 10D for $2499 and the D100 for $2699, bodies only. The *ist-D will be $2899, body and FAJ 18-35 lens. All prices in Canadian dollars. Their prices on the C and N cameras seem a little high, so the Pentax may be less at other retailers. Including the lens at that price seems like a good idea. Pat White
RE: *ist-D Canadian price
Hey Pat, I think that the price is bang on - the prices of those other bodies (10D and D100) are the same here in Toronto. If the Pentax is coming in at $2899 CDN vs the Canon 10D at $2499 CDN, I would think that people outside of the Pentax camp would be hard pressed to switch or try the *IST-D. You're basically looking at a 1st generation digital SLR that's supposed to be priced competitively yet is about $400 CDN (not including taxes) above the 3rd generation competitor. With that extra $400, you could outfit yourself with a nice flash or perhaps a nice honking sized Compact Flash card. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:55:18 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *ist-D Canadian price At a local shop, Kerrisdale Camera in Victoria, I was told that the *ist-D would be available soon. This shop lists the 10D for $2499 and the D100 for $2699, bodies only. The *ist-D will be $2899, body and FAJ 18-35 lens. All prices in Canadian dollars. Their prices on the C and N cameras seem a little high, so the Pentax may be less at other retailers. Including the lens at that price seems like a good idea. Pat White mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Spotmatic F and metering
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Stenquist) wrote: The 135 lens is probably not a Super Multi Coated version. ... but if it is, check to see if the knurled ear at the rear of the lens is set to auto, rather than manual. If you've managed to set the lens to stopped-down with manual, that would have this metering effect. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going Rate for A* 85mm f/1.4
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Nelson) wrote: What's a fair price for one of these anyway? I got mine about six weeks ago on eBay for US$540, plus shipping and paying the vendor's PayPal surcharge. That auction actually got somewhat tense, but there seemed to be only two of us who wanted it seriously. It's not mint and it didn't have caps or a box, but it's in pretty good shape and caps are easily replaced. Someone else can have it when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KX voted Top Stealth Camera?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Wilensky) wrote: I had a KX for a while, and from what I remember, it was a bit louder than either of my MXes. I remember wondering if the mirror lockup on the KX made much difference, since the whole shutter release operation sounded just as loud and seemed to give the same amount of kick when the mirror was locked up. I just tried my KM, which I think is the same shutter as a KX - though I could well be wrong. It's noticeably quieter than a Spotmatic F or an ESII, while they both have lenses mounted. The KM has a trace of the Spotmatic series ball-bearing noise at around 1/30th - after the shutter fires, there's a noise for a second or so that sounds like a ball-bearing race running down. Does the KX do that? Curiously enough, without a lens, the KM is much louder than the Spot F. This is of no practical importance, but I was interested enough to look further, and realised that the stop-down linkages on a K mount are smaller and move faster than those on an M42 body. So the noises they make are higher-pitched and thus more easily muffled by the body. Then there's the mirror movement to make more noise. An SLR is never going to be as quiet as a rangefinder camera, simply because so much more stuff moves around. But for really quiet you want a leaf shutter. The quietest camera I've ever used was a Microcord twin-lens reflex, a fifties British copy of a Rolleicord. The ping is quite high-pitched, but doesn't travel far, and people doesn't always realise that a TLR is a camera these days, since you don't hold it up to your eye. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Info about Pentax ES
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre Langevin) wrote: Third party zooms are your best choice as only the rare 45-125mm Takumar will work at full aperture. I'm afraid I'm not the one who could suggest some good third party zooms. Third-party zooms with full-aperture metering are easiest in Tamron, as the Adaptall Pentax/ES mounts from the eighties will fit recent Adaptall 2 and Adaptall SP lenses, most of which are decent. I have 17/3.5, 24/2.5 and 500/8.0 Tamrons, since they're a load easier to come by than Pentax lenses in those focal lengths, and I can switch mounts to use them on K-mount. The Adaptall Pentax/ES mounts are kind of scarce these days, though. Not usually expensive, just few and far between. If you don't insist on a zoom lens, SMC Takumars are very easy to acquire in 28/3.5, 35/3.5 and 135/3.5, but rather scarcer in other focal lengths, at least in the UK. I reckon Pentax probably sold as many of those three in screw-mount days as they did of all their other lenses put together (excluding the 50 and 55 standard lenses). --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going Rate for A* 85mm f/1.4
Nice one just went on ebay for $933.84 Canadian or US$674.13. And like John says... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone else can have it when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Regards, Bob S.
RE: *ist-D Canadian price
How much is a Canon 18-35 lens? At 04:05 PM 7/29/03, throwing caution to the wind, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Pat, I think that the price is bang on - the prices of those other bodies (10D and D100) are the same here in Toronto. If the Pentax is coming in at $2899 CDN vs the Canon 10D at $2499 CDN, I would think that people outside of the Pentax camp would be hard pressed to switch or try the *IST-D. You're basically looking at a 1st generation digital SLR that's supposed to be priced competitively yet is about $400 CDN (not including taxes) above the 3rd generation competitor. With that extra $400, you could outfit yourself with a nice flash or perhaps a nice honking sized Compact Flash card. Cheers, Dave
Re: DC PDML #9
You appear to have developed a list to starboard. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: RE: DC PDML #9 -- Christian Skofteland wrote: -- -- Just got home from another DC-PDML outing. This time it -- was just myself, -- Cesar Matamoros and Stephen Moore. Much Dogfish Head was -- consumed along -- with chili in various forms at the Hard Times Cafe in College Park, -- Maryland. -- -- Always a pleasure to hang out with Cesar and Stephen and -- discuss the -- discussion (or something like that). -- -- Tom, you were missed (as were all the locals and otherwise -- who couldn't make -- it). -- -- Cheers! -- -- Quick optio snaps: -- http://www.xian.us/dcpdml09.html -- -- Christian Skofteland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I only took a couple of shots with my Optio S. They can be viewed at http://cesar_abdul.fotopages.com [A vast majority of the shots there are taken with the Optio S]. I also took the trade-marked tv group shot similar to the one Christian posted, but it is still in the MZ-S. Had a great time, though at first I did not think anyone was going to show up. Interesting that this was a small gathering on the trip that I actually left my snake-skinned LXen at home. I didn't want Christian to get nightmares :-P No more travelling light from now on... Anyhow, I was forced to wait at the bar - where the first shot on the page above was taken. I am interested in seeing how the shots with the MZ-S and 31 Limited came out. A good time was had by all as we discussed many topics. And yes the PDML did come up - imagine that. That just shows you that if you don?t want to be talked about you need to attend all the gatherings :-) And I say this in the year that I am going to miss both gatherings at Grandfather Mountain :-( Next time I need to cart my some of my screwmount gear with me. Next time, next time... The roving PDML ambassador, Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/03
OT: Windows, character map number guide.
Hi; Thanks to all who responded to the copyright symbol © question I had a few days ago. Playing around I found that different 4 digit numbers (with alt button depressed) produce different characters. Does anyone know if there is a log or guide or something that lists which numbers produce which symbols? Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: PDML World Party (was: Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland)
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:18:09 +0200, Jostein wrote: That said, I think the idea of a global PDML gathering is absolutely fantastic. Europe is fine by me, and Amsterdam is one very valid option. In fact, any of the Western Europe capitols could be good suggestions; London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Madrid. Personally, I have a soft spot for Barcelona. That's a city I have always wanted to see...:-) I can live with fall instead of spring. In fact, I think I'd prefer it. And anything within reasonable S-bahn distance of Brussels, Eindhoven, Arnhem is fine with me, too. The reason is I would like to put the World PDML Party on one end of a trip to the battlefields of Operation MARKET-GARDEN (the movie A Bridge Too Far). TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: OT: Windows, character map number guide.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:01:39 -0400, Butch Black wrote: Thanks to all who responded to the copyright symbol © question I had a few days ago. Playing around I found that different 4 digit numbers (with alt button depressed) produce different characters. Does anyone know if there is a log or guide or something that lists which numbers produce which symbols? The easiest way is to check out the codes in the Character Map application, though it lists them in hex and you have to type them in using decimal. Otherwise, do a Google search for Windows Character Set or something like that and you should find plenty of resources. Basically, you can get any character in the Windows character set by setting Num Lock, pressing and holding the Alt key, tapping out the ASCII Code of the character on the numeric keypad, and releasing the Alt key. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: PDML World Party (was: Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland)
Unfortunately, being retarded...er retired, makes something like this difficult for us. However, if it were someplace where the airline I retired from flies too, and if they haven't gone belly up by then, there's a faint possibility Hopefully though, the war department will by then be in a mood to build a retirement home on our 8.6 acres of woodland back home in Virginia. Bill
Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 3
Here is a list of the world's deepest lakes. http://www.nps.gov/crla/brochures/deeplakes.htm Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 3 On 28 Jul 2003 at 21:05, William Robb wrote: The Lower Arrow lake in BC is somewhat smaller on the surface than Loch Ness, but they don't know precisely how deep it is, as they haven't been able to find the bottom yet. Somewhere over 3000 meters, apparently. Wow... The Deepest lakes I know of are the Baikal in Siberia and the Tanganyika in Africa of 1600m and 1400m respectively. If the Lower Arrow lake is 3000m deep, it sounds like a real world record! Norway's deepest lake is Horningdalsvatnet of puny 1016m. It's the deepest one in Europe, though. :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/03
Speaking of wedding images
Here are a few of our son's wedding taken with our Optio S: http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?Page=1 Bill
Odd request
Late next month I'll be receiving radioactive seed implants to treat prostate cancer. Any suggestions on how to see if this small amount of radiation will fog film? I'm thinking sitting in a dark room, pressing a lens against the affected area and exposing a few frames. Do you folks think the metal body of the camera or the metal shutter blades or the metallic cannister would block the radiation? If so, how about using the Spotmatic with the fabric shutter? Bill
Re: News from DPReview
Pentax does make the lens for HP cameras. My sister-in-law just bought one and it said SMC Pentax on the lens(e) (variation) ;) Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California caveman wrote with burnt fire stick: Didn't they get into digital as a lens maker for HP cameras ? cheers, caveman
RE: Odd request
-Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Late next month I'll be receiving radioactive seed implants to treat prostate cancer. Any suggestions on how to see if this small amount of radiation will fog film? I'm thinking sitting in a dark room, pressing a lens against the affected area and exposing a few frames. Do you folks think the metal body of the camera or the metal shutter blades or the metallic cannister would block the radiation? If so, how about using the Spotmatic with the fabric shutter? What you want to do is sit naked on a piece of 8x10 film for 10 minutes, sort of as if you're photocopying your butt. Develop the film, and contact print it. If it appears as if your sphincter is glowing, then it's working, and you can tell people Yes, the sun *does* shine from my ass. tv
Re: *ist D News
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Jul 2003 at 11:27, Mark Roberts wrote: Sounds about right. The official embargo date is some time in late August. Reviewers like DP Review will have samples before then but aren't allowed to reveal anything until the embargo date. It wouldn't surprise me to see a full review on dpreview.com on the 29th. What I'd like to know is who or what is the supposed beneficiary of this embargo? Pentax Corp. It keeps the competition from knowing the details of what the camera can do until as late as possible. Standard procedure for all manufacturers. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: *ist-D Canadian price
A Canon L 16-35 lens is about $1300 USD. That's 2.8 throughout. Compare the quality to anything close to what Pentax offers. The closest item is a 17-28 3.5-4.5 zoom - which is $435 USD - and slower and not as wide a range. Or if you want to compare a similar pro Pentax lens, the closest they can get is 20-35 F4 which is $475 USD - still slower by a full stop and not as wide an angle of view. Banter back and forth as you will, but having seen the quality images that the L lenses can produce, you're not going to come close with the Pentax range until Pentax can release a limited zoom lens series. For everyday photos and if you don't need to pursue available light images, then I'm sure the Pentax lenses will be just fine. Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist-D Canadian price You are mean, Doug. Trying to burst peoples bubbles grin. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: RE: *ist-D Canadian price How much is a Canon 18-35 lens? At 04:05 PM 7/29/03, throwing caution to the wind, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Pat, I think that the price is bang on - the prices of those other bodies (10D and D100) are the same here in Toronto. If the Pentax is coming in at $2899 CDN vs the Canon 10D at $2499 CDN, I would think that people outside of the Pentax camp would be hard pressed to switch or try the *IST-D. You're basically looking at a 1st generation digital SLR that's supposed to be priced competitively yet is about $400 CDN (not including taxes) above the 3rd generation competitor. With that extra $400, you could outfit yourself with a nice flash or perhaps a nice honking sized Compact Flash card. Cheers, Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/03
Re: Odd request
If I use color film, will it glow green? Bill - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: RE: Odd request -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Late next month I'll be receiving radioactive seed implants to treat prostate cancer. Any suggestions on how to see if this small amount of radiation will fog film? I'm thinking sitting in a dark room, pressing a lens against the affected area and exposing a few frames. Do you folks think the metal body of the camera or the metal shutter blades or the metallic cannister would block the radiation? If so, how about using the Spotmatic with the fabric shutter? What you want to do is sit naked on a piece of 8x10 film for 10 minutes, sort of as if you're photocopying your butt. Develop the film, and contact print it. If it appears as if your sphincter is glowing, then it's working, and you can tell people Yes, the sun *does* shine from my ass. tv
Re: *ist D News
On 29 Jul 2003 at 20:51, Mark Roberts wrote: Pentax Corp. It keeps the competition from knowing the details of what the camera can do until as late as possible. What to stave off embarrassment until the last minute? :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Odd request
On 29 Jul 2003 at 20:10, Bill Owens wrote: Late next month I'll be receiving radioactive seed implants to treat prostate cancer. Any suggestions on how to see if this small amount of radiation will fog film? I'm thinking sitting in a dark room, pressing a lens against the affected area and exposing a few frames. Macro lens? Maybe you should post the results to the PDML? :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time)
Nicely said Bill. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time) So, put the bottle of Rum in my hand. Bill - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: RE: Drinks for DC-PDML (was Time) You don't want to see me with a bottle of rum in my hand. tv
Re:OT-Lakes That Are Deep-was: Letter from Scotland - Day 3
It seems that Lower Arrow Lake, British Columbia is around 590 feet deep: http://www.bcadventure.com/adventure/explore/kootenays/central/lowerarrow.htm Of course, Mr. Robb may be talking about another Lower Arrow Lake. Or, possibly he's pulling our collective chains - nah, Bill would never do that... g cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Here is a list of the world's deepest lakes. http://www.nps.gov/crla/brochures/deeplakes.htm Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto On 28 Jul 2003 at 21:05, William Robb wrote: The Lower Arrow lake in BC is somewhat smaller on the surface than Loch Ness, but they don't know precisely how deep it is, as they haven't been able to find the bottom yet. Somewhere over 3000 meters, apparently. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Odd request
Hey, Bill, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T DO IT WITH A PENTAX! I don't ever want to see the results in PUG. vbg cheers, frank Bill Owens wrote: If I use color film, will it glow green? -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Windows, character map number guide.
Butch, you need a guide to the Character Set you are using in Windows. Each is different in the range 128-255, whereas characters 0-127 are pretty much standard. I don't readily know of a source on the Web - the older guides to MS-DOS always had them in tables at the back of the book, but this useful feature has probably now disappeared since we don't get printed guides to software any more! You can see the different characters by placing the following formula in an Excel spreadsheet - =CHAR(CELL(row,B1)-1) starting at A1 and copying it down to A255. The cells will then display the characters available with your character set. Similar formulae in any other spreadsheet will do exactly the same. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: OT: Windows, character map number guide. Hi; Thanks to all who responded to the copyright symbol question I had a few days ago. Playing around I found that different 4 digit numbers (with alt button depressed) produce different characters. Does anyone know if there is a log or guide or something that lists which numbers produce which symbols? Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: Odd request
But, seriously, Bill, I didn't know about your illness. Let me send my best kharma your way (OM OMM) (that's supposed to be, like, Tibetan Buddhist chanting or something) for a speedy recovery. Here's hoping the treatments work their magic (glow or not). cheers, frank Bill Owens wrote: Late next month I'll be receiving radioactive seed implants to treat prostate cancer. Any suggestions on how to see if this small amount of radiation will fog film? I'm thinking sitting in a dark room, pressing a lens against the affected area and exposing a few frames. Do you folks think the metal body of the camera or the metal shutter blades or the metallic cannister would block the radiation? If so, how about using the Spotmatic with the fabric shutter? Bill -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: PDML World Party (was: Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland)
Iceland seems to me to be one of the coolest places in the world. I'd love to go there some day - and not just to meet Bjork (I know I've mentioned her before, but she's just so cute in a very bizarre and weird way!). Problem with Iceland is, I've heard, that air tickets there are incredibly expensive. ciao, frank John Dallman wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Haller) wrote: Wouldn't Iceland be more central? Lots of photo-ops I understand... Sounds good to me; I was trying to think of an excuse for going there today. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
