Re: Florida in January

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

JCOC> It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
JCOC> and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:

JCOC> http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm


JCOC> Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!

JCOC> Later,
JCOC> JCO

Whom are you calling Snowbirds, mister?  Actually we're
having some rain but trust me the spring has already begun. Everything
is starting to bloom with color ...

Thanks for the pictures. To me they look quite remarkable but I never
been to South Florida however.

Boris

Re: PUG on our "own" site

[Fred]

> I tried a couple of old email addresses I had for Igor that were
> not on Komkon, and both bounced... and I don't know if he is still
> associated with Komkon.

My most recent email from Igor was on November 6, 2003, which is not
too long ago.  My assumption is that Igor is still at KOMKON, and is
hard at work (when he has the time) on the server problem.

Fred

Re: PUG on our "own" site

[William Robb]

When I was doing the PUG, it was about 10 hours per month of my time, plus
several hours per month for a half dozen or so other volunteers.
Of course, I didn't have the brains to automate the system, so all the
coding was done by hand.

I don't know how much time investment per month it is now.

Igor did express some concerns to me regarding band width, and for those of
you who go back far enough, this was the main reason for the file size
restrictions we enforced onto the submitters.
I believe we were using, on a busy month, close to 5 gigabytes of server
bandwidth. I expect that this number has increased somewhat, as the gallery
is now somewhat bigger.

One of the things I like about the PUG is the lack of slickness. It doesn't
have a bunch of flashing lights and banners crawling around it.
If we do have to relocate, I hope we can do it in a non commercial fashion,
and keep the flavour of the PUG the same as it has been.

Interestingly, the PUG is one of the older, if not the oldest, continuously
running photo galleries on the internet.
It is something we can all be proud of, and I think it is something worth
supporting in any way necessary.

William Robb

Re: PUG on our "own" site

[Rob Studdert]

On 24 Jan 2004 at 22:26, Fred wrote:

> > Has anybody contacted the admin from the existing KOMKON to 
> > see what the problem is?
> > Could they do with our financial support?
> 
> My only contact with KOMKON (for the PLG) is through an email
> address at komkon.org, which, of course, does not work right now...

Anyone care to snail mail or call?

http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=komkon.org
http://blink.ucsd.edu/Blink/External/Topics/Policy/0,1162,321,00.html?delivery=&;
coming_from

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

For Sale: FA 24-90 f/3.5-4.5

[Bucky]

I have just bought the FA*28-70 f/2.8 and so the FA 24-90 f/3.5-4.5 has
become a bit superfluous.  I bought it from KEH used a couple of months
ago - it's in excellent condition.  Naturally it includes original caps and
the proprietary hood.  It's a great lens.

I paid US$349.  I'd like to get close to that, but of course please feel
free to make a reasonable offer.  Interested parties, please let me know by
e-mail.  I'll ship anywhere in the world (from Vancouver), but shipping
overseas can get pricy, so please take that into account.

Cheers,

Mike

Re: PUG on our "own" site

[Mark Cassino]

I tried a couple of old email addresses I had for Igor that were not on 
Komkon, and both bounced... and I don't know if he is still associated with 
Komkon.

Back when I worked on the PUG (4 years ago) Komkon.org resided on the 
servers at Frontier Vision Technologies (http://www.frontex.com/) - does 
anyone know if that is where Komkon most recently resided?  If so, maybe 
someone there can let us know what happened.

- MCC

At 10:26 PM 1/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> Has anybody contacted the admin from the existing KOMKON to
> see what the problem is?
> Could they do with our financial support?
My only contact with KOMKON (for the PLG) is through an email
address at komkon.org, which, of course, does not work right now...
Fred
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-

RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January

[Peter Alling]

Who shovels, sounds like work

At 09:57 PM 1/24/04, you wrote:
I see, I guess I should have called them snow shovelers?
:)
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

-Original Message-
From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:47 PM
To: Spotmatic (E-mail); Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January
I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.
It was sunny here but only 64º.

By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the northern
climes who come here during the winter.
Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.

Enjoy the day,

César
Panama City, Florida
-- -Original Message-
-- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
--
-- It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
-- and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
--
-- http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
--
--
-- Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
--
-- Later,
-- JCO
--
-- -
-- ---
--J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
-- -
I drink to make other people interesting.
-- George Jean Nathan  

RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January

[Peter Alling]

Frank,

Only 17.78º C, and your temperature would be 2.2º F, just to be exact.
(I'm in Southern New England where it's currently officially F*** cold).
At 09:05 PM 1/24/04, you wrote:
Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

"only 64"

Let's see, that would be about +18 or +19C.

Right.  The temp when I left the house today at about noon was -19C.  I 
could be wrong, but I think that's around 0F.  Just heard on the news 
today, that we haven't even come close to the freezing mark this month (a 
temp of 0C is what we consider a "winter thaw").

Any good race pics, Cesar?

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Cesar Matamoros II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Spotmatic (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:46:54 -0500
I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.
It was sunny here but only 64º.

By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the northern
climes who come here during the winter.
Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.

Enjoy the day,

César
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Re: *istD with DA 16-45 in Adorama!!!

[Robert Gonzalez]

They list the lens at $429, so if thats the real price for the combo, 
that would put the body at sub $1K.  Must be an error.

rg

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Just 1324$ in such a fantastic set... It's a steal!
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=details&sku=IPXISTDK

RE: Helmut Newton dead

[Paul Ewins]

A couple more from Australia where he is still well known despite the
fact the is nearly 50 years since he returned to Europe.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/24/1074732653865.html (the
Reuters feed)

and this one by Michael Shmith, son of another influential photographer,
Athol Shmith

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/24/1074732654259.html

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

RE: DIG: how many?

[Paul Ewins]

Only 800 since October, and that includes a fair amount of "recording"
as opposed to "artistic". I'm finding new uses though. I'm just about to
print off a whole lot of shots of an engine and gearbox I bought for my
new sports car project. I can then make my measurements of various
components and write it directly onto a picture, rather than drawing an
indecipherable diagram. If I need to buy something and am not sure of
the correct name then I take a picture along with me. All very easy.

I'm also finding that I am tackling subjects that I didn't bother with
before, because I no longer have to worry about the cost of processing.

As for shooting with film, the only thing I've done since then is test
shots with my converted Kodak Panoramic (Horizontal 3A with Schneider
90/6.8 giving 6x14 on 120 film).

I will be doing some more 4x5 with the Graphic though, as I've got a
portrait session coming up and they specifically want B&W. I'll probably
use the LX or MX as well for hand held shots.

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Next PUG subject lined up

[Cotty]

On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..
>
>That wouldn't be the same lass from the "James Bond" photos, would it?

Ah, good memory that man. Sadly no. But just as nice :-)



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Fred]

> Perhaps we could offer komkon a yearly contribution to partly
> repay their generosity and bandwidth.

Excellent idea !!!

Fred

Re: PUG on our "own" site

[Fred]

> Has anybody contacted the admin from the existing KOMKON to 
> see what the problem is?
> Could they do with our financial support?

My only contact with KOMKON (for the PLG) is through an email
address at komkon.org, which, of course, does not work right now...

Fred

Re: Florida in January

[Ross Daniel]

Gidday from a very hot 101 degree Maryborough , Queensland, Australia.
Boy could we do with some of this.:)
Cheers,
Ross.

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Chris Brogden]

I'd be in for that as well.  I think we should wait to hear from komkon
about what happened before we decide anything, but it's nice to know that
there are alternatives.  Perhaps we could offer komkon a yearly
contribution to partly repay their generosity and bandwidth.

chris



On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, John Coyle wrote:

> Count me in - I can pay using PayPal, and  I'm happy to research where we
> can get decent storage space and bandwidth usage.  Can we get an idea how
> much we'd need?
>
> I'd suggest contributions be in US $, as most of us can pay with them via
> credit cards, Paypal etc.
>
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adelheid v. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website
>
>
> > Adelheid wrote:
> >
> > AvK> I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays
> out for
> > AvK> good.
> >
> >   To the PUG team and anybody else interested,
> >
> >   If the komkon (a private non-lucrative initiative) is going down, I
> >   suggest it's time to make our own server. Prices of hosting and
> >   domains are quite accessible and there should be no problem for us
> >   to raise the necessary funds required to keep the site running for
> >   the next couple of years. Not to mention that we might switch at
> >   some time to a dynamic site that automates posting, page generation,
> >   mail confirmation, personal mini-gallery, etc. We have among us
> >   enough programmers perfectly able to contribute.
> >
> >   Any one willing to act on behalf of the community and gather the
> >   money to pay for the registration and hosting of, say,
> >   www.pugallery.org ?
> >
> >   Servus,  Alin
> >
>

Re: Florida in January

[Bill Owens]

64 degrees F here today, and ice storm with high of 32F expected for
tomorrow.  Here's what the National Weather Service is saying:

NCZ048-053-065>072-082-SCZ003-006>009-012>014-250330-
BUNCOMBE NC-CABARRUS NC-CHEROKEE SC-CHESTER SC-CLEVELAND NC-
GASTON NC-GREATER GREENVILLE SC-GREENVILLE MOUNTAINS SC-HENDERSON NC-
LAURENS SC-LINCOLN NC-MADISON NC-MECKLENBURG NC-POLK NC-
RUTHERFORD NC-SPARTANBURG SC-UNION SC-UNION NC-YORK SC-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ASHEVILLE...CHARLOTTE...CHESTER...
COLUMBUS...CONCORD...GAFFNEY...GASTONIA...GREENVILLE...
HENDERSONVILLE...LAURENS...LINCOLNTON...MARSHALL...MONROE...
ROCK HILL...RUTHERFORDTON...SHELBY...SPARTANBURG...UNION AND YORK
327 PM EST SAT JAN 24 2004

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO MIDNIGHT
SUNDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING.

MIXED AREAS OF SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN WILL BE DEVELOPING
DURING THE LATE NIGHT HOURS AND CONTINUE THROUGH THE DAY ON SUNDAY.
AS THE DAY WEARS ON SUNDAY...FROZEN PRECIPITATION WILL EVENTUALLY
CHANGE TO AREAS OF RAIN AND FREEZING RAIN. AN ACCUMULATION OF SNOW
AND/OR SLEET IS PROBABLE WITH DAMAGING ICE ACCUMULATION LIKELY AS
WELL.

THE WEIGHT OF THE ICE MAY BE ENOUGH TO FELL TREES AND KNOCK DOWN
POWER LINES. PEOPLE IN THE WARNING AREA SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR A LOSS
OF POWER.

RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January

[J. C. O'Connell]

I see, I guess I should have called them snow shovelers?
:)

JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:47 PM
To: Spotmatic (E-mail); Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January


I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.

It was sunny here but only 64º.

By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the northern
climes who come here during the winter.

Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.

Enjoy the day,

César
Panama City, Florida

-- -Original Message-
-- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
--
-- It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
-- and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
--
-- http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
--
--
-- Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
--
-- Later,
-- JCO
--
-- -
-- ---
--J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
-- -

Re: Florida in January

[frank theriault]

you can shut up too, John



-frigid frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Florida in January
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:24:18 +1000
70°?  Ha! - it's been over 30° C here for days - that's over 86°F!
Even Floridians(?) would melt today.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Florida in January
> On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
> >It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
> >and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
> >
> >http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
> >
> >
> >Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
> >
> >Later,
> >JCO
>
> John, once you've peeled that orange, you know what to do with it.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[John Coyle]

Count me in - I can pay using PayPal, and  I'm happy to research where we
can get decent storage space and bandwidth usage.  Can we get an idea how
much we'd need?

I'd suggest contributions be in US $, as most of us can pay with them via
credit cards, Paypal etc.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adelheid v. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website


> Adelheid wrote:
>
> AvK> I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays
out for
> AvK> good.
>
>   To the PUG team and anybody else interested,
>
>   If the komkon (a private non-lucrative initiative) is going down, I
>   suggest it's time to make our own server. Prices of hosting and
>   domains are quite accessible and there should be no problem for us
>   to raise the necessary funds required to keep the site running for
>   the next couple of years. Not to mention that we might switch at
>   some time to a dynamic site that automates posting, page generation,
>   mail confirmation, personal mini-gallery, etc. We have among us
>   enough programmers perfectly able to contribute.
>
>   Any one willing to act on behalf of the community and gather the
>   money to pay for the registration and hosting of, say,
>   www.pugallery.org ?
>
>   Servus,  Alin
>

Re: Florida in January

[John Coyle]

70°?  Ha! - it's been over 30° C here for days - that's over 86°F!
Even Floridians(?) would melt today.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Florida in January


> On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
> >It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
> >and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
> >
> >http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
> >
> >
> >Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
> >
> >Later,
> >JCO
>
> John, once you've peeled that orange, you know what to do with it.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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RE: As usual: photo advise sought

[frank theriault]

I went back and looked at the pics again, and I ~really~ like the second one 
a lot.  The guy's face has a great deal of character.  He has a sort of 
self-satisfied smile;  he seems a very confident and friendly person, very 
outgoing.  I think you captured a great deal of his character here, Boris.

Nice composition:  I really like the guy in the background just taking a 
drag from his cigarette (of course, I would never condone smoking... ).  
Puts the guy in a typical pub scene - it looks like he's right at home.

Only bad thing is the shadow obscuring most of the guy just to the left of 
the subject.  It looks like he's being kind of thoughtful, with his chin in 
his hand, but we really can't see him.  Too bad.

Otherwise, and despite what some others have said, I think this one's a 
really really good shot!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: As usual: photo advise sought
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:05:13 +0200
Hi!

Few weeks ago we went to a local pub. Excellent beer even to my
beerless taste and great time we had. I took with me ZX-L, FA 50/1.7
and a roll of Kodak T400CN (last one, promise). I took some shots, but
had to use built-in flash.
Still I would like to hear what you have to say about this one:

http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/50/black-ball.jpg

and this one:

http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/50/portrait-with-beer.jpg

Thanks in advance!

Boris

P.S. Except very minor USM and levels adjustment they are straight
from the scanner (Epson 2450).
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RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January

[frank theriault]

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

"only 64"

Let's see, that would be about +18 or +19C.

Right.  The temp when I left the house today at about noon was -19C.  I 
could be wrong, but I think that's around 0F.  Just heard on the news today, 
that we haven't even come close to the freezing mark this month (a temp of 
0C is what we consider a "winter thaw").

Any good race pics, Cesar?

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Cesar Matamoros II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Spotmatic (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:46:54 -0500

I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.
It was sunny here but only 64º.

By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the 
northern
climes who come here during the winter.

Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.

Enjoy the day,

César
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Re: PUG on our "own" site

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at PDML camp, everybody wrote:

> Something about a new server

Has anybody contacted the admin from the existing KOMKON to 
see what the problem is?
Could they do with our financial support?

Kind regards
Kevin


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RE: [Spotmatic] Florida in January

[Cesar Matamoros II]

I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.

It was sunny here but only 64º.

By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the northern
climes who come here during the winter.

Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.

Enjoy the day,

César
Panama City, Florida

-- -Original Message-
-- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
--
-- It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
-- and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
--
-- http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
--
--
-- Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
--
-- Later,
-- JCO
--
-- -
-- ---
--J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
-- -

Re: PUG.ORG

[John Francis]

I don't really think we need to move from komkon, as long as komkon
are happy for us to be there (and our bandwidth needs are met).

One thing I would like to see, though, is more flexibility in the
way viewers select the images.  At present it's a "by month" display.
I'd certainly like to be able to select all the images by one
photographer (and possibly even more than one).  It might even
be nice to have a way of selecting images by equipment used;
how often do we see people asking for examples shot with a
particular lens, and being pointed to a PUG image?

Note that this kind of functionality could be provided from a
different site, if needs be.  But it would be better if it could
be closely integrated with the PUG, just to simplify the collection
of the metadata.

Re: how many?

[arnie]

1085

arnie

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: DIG: how many?


> So, here's a poll:
> How many shots so far with your *ist D?
> 
> I'm at 1565
> 
> I'm SURE I'm mid to low on the list.
> 
> Cory
> 
> 
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Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Nick Clark]

One area where I find flash invaluable is moving macro subjects. It would be virtually 
impossible to take a picture of a honeybee on a flower with sufficient depth of field 
without flash (I don't believe in faking such pictures by stunning the subject). Even 
more true of a bee in flight. 

Nick

Re: Helmut Newton dead

[wendy beard]

At 06:00 PM 24/01/2004, you wrote:
From: Pat White

Although there's been no mention on TV so far, Helmut's death was reported
on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) news window this morning on
the MSN.CA homepage.
I read about it in the newspaper this morning. The Ottawa Citizen, no less 
;-). It was a proper piece and all, not just a hastily thrown together 
couple of lines.

Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com 

Re: PUG.ORG

[graywolf]

Well the guestion comes to mind is could the list, pug, and archives all be 
moved to a new server?

Doug holds the pdml.net domain name so a new one would not be needed if he 
agreed to that.

The only thing is that folks would have to be as dedicated as Doug is or in the 
end we could lose everything. But it would be nice if things did not depend upon 
the good will of any one person. On the other hand, things that depend upon 
groups of people often disappear as some of those people lose interest.

Also there is the cravat that none of the people who we depend upon for this 
list, and the pug have chimed in with their opinions. I for one don't think we 
should be stepping on their toes. It is easy to say it should be this way, or 
that way, but it now in the hands of some folks who have proven their 
dedication. We should not be saying what we want. We should be asking what they 
want, and indicating our willingness to help out as we can.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[Peter Alling]

This really explains a lot...

At 12:41 PM 1/24/04, you wrote:
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
>clean and dainty for us.
Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting Ray when I was
about 11 (1971). Three speed stick shift into a Sturmey-Archer hub. There
was a cool mod that we all did that was very popular at the time. Got rid
of the big banana seat, cut the rear vertical struts, installed a normal
single saddle, attached said struts to saddle so now the bike had extra
bracing from the rear axle up to the saddle as well as the normal seat
post. These were perhaps the forerunners of the event bikes that you see
today?
Kids do stupid things, I was coasting along and letting my foot catch in
the front spokes, making a pleasing rattling noise, when it got caught a
little further than I planned - round went my foot until it made good
contact with the fork, and I somersaulted down the road. Dazed and with
twisted ankle, all I could mutter was 'cl!'
Kids.



Cheers,
  Cotty
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I drink to make other people interesting.
-- George Jean Nathan  

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Chris Hamilton]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adelheid v. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:57 PM
Subject: RE: ONLY - PUG January is on my website 


> If I understand this correctly you are willing to be the next PUGmeister?

Sure. Why not?

> I don't think you would give me access to your site, do you?
> 

I'm sure we could work something out.

Re: AF 400T and *ist D?

[Frits Wüthrich]

On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 16:12, Christian wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jeff Jonsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > Got slightly bad news for you, The *istD has a problem with TTL flash
> > metering.
> 
> It does?  I have not had problems with flash photography with mine
It is reported he combination used at 100ASA underexposes, and on 800
and higher overexposes. I noticed the underexposure at 200ASA myself. At
least one stop.
I can confirm it works a lot better at 400ASA with my Metz
40MZ-2/SCA3701 combination.

> 
> > It tends to be off about 1 or more stops with any TTL flash.
> 
> 1 or more?  That's pretty vague... Over or under?
> 
> > It is also speculated on that the AF360FGZ with
> > P-TTL works better than any other TTL flash.
> 
> This is what I use most of the time.  Bounced, straight on, dark subject,
> light subjects, macro (inches from the subject), ISO 200 - 1600, fill-in for
> subject ranging from close up to far away, whatever...  I'm not concerened.
> 
> > We're waiting for a TTL bug fix in the next firmware update from Pentax.
> 
> We are?  I'm waiting for a better version of the photo browser and Photo
> Laboratory.
I am, but a better version of the photo browser is also welcome, and a
photoshop and photoalbum plugin for the raw format.
> 
> Christian
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Paul Stenquist]

I am willing to contribute as well.
On Jan 24, 2004, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!

AF>   To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two 
years
AF>   so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.

I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.

As for the currency: well - indeed, I can send funds only by means of
PayPal. I hope it is acceptable.
Boris



Pretty sure I could chip in at least
$20.

RE: SMC 2.4/50 macro

[J. C. O'Connell]

All the screwmount era Pentax takumar macro lenses
are indeed very sharp but only in the closeup range
for which they are designed. They are only average
at infinity and only then if stopped down quite a bit.
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SMC 2.4/50 macro


>Gidday,
>I have the oppurtunity to buy a Takumer 2.4/50 macro lens(screw
>mount). It is in excellant condition in its original case. I have
>been asked by the elderly gentleman who owns it to make him an
>offer, but I'm not sure if it is a lens that I would use a lot. I
>know there has been discussion about the 2.8 recently and could I be
>a nuisance and ask the same questions about the 2.4, price ,
>opinions etc. I guess it would be an interesting item to add to my
>screw mount lens collection, but I don't seem to be using my
>Spotmatic F much anymore.
>Anyway, any feedback would be great, maybe there is someone out
>there who could use this lens more than me.
>Cheers,
>Ross

I have never heard of a Takumar 50mm f2.4 macro.  You probably mean a
f4...  It could be the version that goes to 1:1 without accessory.
If so, the focusing mechanism is fragile. OK if it is in nice
mechanical shape and you don't handle it roughly. Next ones are
Super-Macro-Takumar and Super-Multi-Coated Macro.  Both have the same
optics but goes "down" to only 1:2, which is about the limit for
hand-held photography.  Better lenses mechanically, and the last one
is multi-coated, which is better but only in some specific
circumstances.  It is a good macro lens (as most macro lenses have
always been...) and you might want to use it if you don't have any
macro lens.

An old test in a french magazine found the first 50/4 (1:1) to be the
sharpest 50mm lens of the normal lenses tested.  But I think it is
quite normal that a f/4 would be very sharp compared to a f2 etc. as
it is easier to correct a f/4 lens.  But to focus a f/4 lens is not
as easy as with a f/2 lens.  A bit like comparing an apple and an
orange, one is more acid but both can have the same amount of vitamin
C.  I'm not sure I get myself understood here...

Andre

Re: *istD with DA 16-45 in Adorama!!!

[Andre Langevin]

Just 1324$ in such a fantastic set... It's a steal!
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=details&sku=IPXISTDK
--
Best regards
Sylwek
Body alone is more expensive.  Must be an error.  If I buy it at that 
price, will they honor their price?  I'll try...  But too nice to be 
true...

Andre

Re: *istD with DA 16-45 in Adorama!!!

[Herb Chong]

it's not listed on the B&H site yet.

Herb

RE: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Adelheid v. K.]

If I understand this correctly you are willing to be the next PUGmeister?
I don't think you would give me access to your site, do you?

Cheers
Adelheid 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Samstag, 24. Januar 2004 21:40
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website 

I do, however, reserve the right to ask (*not* require/demand) donations to
help offset the cost of maintaining the site. :-)

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website


> I can host the site (on a more permanent basis).
>
> I have ~50GB of disk space and 700GB per month with my current hosting
plan.
>
> I could even throw up a web-based forum-type dealie if y'all wanted to
> consider a non-email approach to PDML going forward.

Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)

[Steve Larson]

Indeed it does! What would that cost per person about a buck a year?
The only question I have is, has the site been around a while?

Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


- Original Message - 
From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)


> > Perhaps www.smugmug.com should be given consideration as a home
> > for pug.  There are several advantages.
> 
> Hey - "pug.smugmug.com".  Kinda rolls off the tongue, eh?  
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Chris Hamilton]

I do, however, reserve the right to ask (*not* require/demand) donations to
help offset the cost of maintaining the site. :-)

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website


> I can host the site (on a more permanent basis).
>
> I have ~50GB of disk space and 700GB per month with my current hosting
plan.
>
> I could even throw up a web-based forum-type dealie if y'all wanted to
> consider a non-email approach to PDML going forward.

Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)

[John Francis]

I think the first thing we need to do is decide if we
need to do anything :-)

Then, if we *do* decide to move away from komkon, do we
want to just use one of the photo-hosting sites such as
smugmug (which looks good at first inspection), or do we
want something with a little more configurability?

We've got several good graphics artists, web programmers, 
etc., on the list - we could automate PUG submission even
more than we have now, and have CGI scripts to generate
per-photographer galleries as well as per-month views.

The bad news is that sites which let you write your own
CGI scripts referencing back-end databases tend to be a
little more expensive than the simple hosting sites.

But, if we *do* decide to go that way, it's possible that
I may be able to provide that level of access at no charge.
(I could easily do it on my existing personal domain, but
I wouldn't do that without checking with the web hoster; my
web access is a gift from a friend who runs a hosting site).

I'd only ask him, though, if we'd make use of the features to
provide something more than just a simple image hosting site.
And I'd register a new domain name so we could run the PUG as
a true virtual domain.

I doubt if we could afford his market rates - I think his
cheapest rate is around $250/year (and upwards ...). But if
we want all the bells and whistles (including email, mailing
lists, and just about anything else you could think of) then
I'm pretty sure he'd have no problem with me setting up the
site (root access to the main site servers can be useful :-)

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Chris Hamilton]

I can host the site (on a more permanent basis).

I have ~50GB of disk space and 700GB per month with my current hosting plan.

I could even throw up a web-based forum-type dealie if y'all wanted to
consider a non-email approach to PDML going forward.

-Chris

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Fred]

> (is Igor still around?)

The only email address I have for Igor (which I've used for PLG
purposes) is a komkon.org address...

Fred

Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)

[Fred]

> Perhaps www.smugmug.com should be given consideration as a home
> for pug.  There are several advantages.

Hey - "pug.smugmug.com".  Kinda rolls off the tongue, eh?  

Fred

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Lasse Karlsson]

Firstly I didn't do anything revolutionary to the pictures, secondly I don't usually 
upload pictures anywhere (except to an old test folder at photo.net), thirdly I don't 
know if Boris would like to have his pictures uploaded anywhere...

Having said that - I guess I could mail it to anyone interested. However I just pulled 
that Curves string at a few spots for a minute, no masking or any real work put into 
it. (Since Boris asked for views I just wanted to add a suggestion according to my 
personal taste.)

Btw. Boris, I kind of like the pool player shot now  :).

Lasse

From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> How about showing us what you did ...
> 
> Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> 
> > As snapshots from an evening out with friends I think they are ok, apart from 
> > being slightly too contrasty for my taste. A fast tweaking in Curves produced a 
> > bit better balance - I pulled up the pool player's shirt a bit and tuned down the 
> > highlights on his face and the walls. Similar adjustments to the friend at the 
> > table.
> > (Yes I also straighted out the tilt a bit.)
> 

RE: DIG: how many?

[tom]

30 or 35? Some big, some small, some portraits, some personal stuff.

It's just a guess...once I got a 2nd camera my numbering got screwed up.

tv 

> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: DIG: how many?
> 
> How many weddings is that, Tom?
> 
> tom wrote:
> 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>Jostein:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in 
> the last 12 
> >>>years, and another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
> >>
> >>Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17 
> years shot 
> >>somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 pictures with 35mm, 
> 10mm and APS 
> >>cameras.
> > 
> > 
> > My best guess is I'm up around 40,000 since April.
> > 
> > tv
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
> 
> "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not 
> going to be able to change them anyway."
> 
> 
> 

Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)

[George Sinos]

On the topic of a home for PUG

Perhaps www.smugmug.com should be given consideration as a home for 
pug.  There are several advantages.

Storage is unlimited at all subscription levels.

Bandwidth allowances are as follows:

2 gigabytes per month at the standard $29.95 per year level.
4 gigabytes per month at the power user $49.95 per year level.
8+ gigabytes per month at the professional $99.95 per year level.
After a file is uploaded, the smugmug software automatically generates 
thumbnails and several display sizes.  This would allow users to view 
images at the size most appropriate for their bandwidth and monitor size 
with no additional workload placed on the administrator.

Comments and discussion can be enabled for each photo.

Details are in the help section at 

You can see how I've chosen to use this site at 
   Yes, the PUG could have it's own domain name.
These are primarily family snapshots, but check the *istD and OptioS 
galleries for examples of the range of file sizes.  These galleries have 
"originals" enabled so you can see the full size original files.

There are a lot of features I haven't listed.  Click on "help" when you get 
to the smugmug site for details.

Given the low cost, and low maintenance necessary to run the site, I think 
this would be an excellent format for PUG and useful for the list members 
in general.

--

I've posted these links before.  Although I have no connection with SmugMug 
other than that of satisfied customer, I feel obligated to say that putting 
my email address into the "referred by" field when subscribing gives you a 
small discount me a small credit.

See you later, gs

--

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Mark Cassino]

I'd be willing to kick in towards the total cost as well.  2 gigs of 
bandwidth sounds a bit low to me, though - hopefully someone at Komkon (is 
Igor still around?) can help get some stats on past usage.

- MCC

At 07:25 PM 1/24/2004 +0200, you wrote:

Bob S. wrote:

Rac> Alin or anyone,
Rac> What would the annual cost of something like this be?
  For 800 MB storage and 2 GB bandwidth I expect 10$/month. [2
  GB/month is a rough figure but I really don't think current PUG
  traffic is anywhere close to that; somebody in the PUG team with
  access to komkon logs might provide the real value]. Add to this
  20$/year for the domain name and the annual cost is 140$.
  To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
  so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
  Servus,  Alin
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-

Re: DIG: how many?

[graywolf]

How many weddings is that, Tom?

tom wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Jostein:


Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 
years, and another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17 
years shot somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 pictures with 
35mm, 10mm and APS cameras.


My best guess is I'm up around 40,000 since April.

tv



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[graywolf]

Lived farther away from the factory?

frank theriault wrote:

The phrase I'll 
always remember (I don't know why, but I do), is at the end of the live 
promos, Captain Kangaroo always added, paranthetically, "Prices slightly 
higher in the South and in the West".  I always wondered what those 
people did to piss off Schwinn and the Captain!  


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Florida in January

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: Florida in January


> It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
> and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
>
> http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
>
>
> Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!

Amazing!! It looks just like my front yard right now, even the tire tracks
and the jumble of scrap wood are there.

William Robb

Re: Timing (was: As usual: photo advise sought)

[Shel Belinkoff]

> Call it muscle memory, or whatever.

Damn, Frank ... that was the term i was looking for.
Recently read a few articles about it, even how it's
used in the military for certain maneuvers.


> And, sometimes, despite being quite flawed, a shot works anyway.

How true ... a perusal of Cartier-Bresson's work will show
numerous OOF shots that have impact nonetheless.
A favorite photo book, Requiem, has some photos that are
poor technically (not unexpected considering the situation in
which the photos were taken) that have far greater impact
than the many of the better focused and exposed photos.
And let's not forget Robert Capa's  the melted D-Day negatives
hard to imagine the perfect prints having a greater impact
or stronger story.

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2074191
>
> It's out of focus.  Quite badly out of focus, in fact.  And, the girl's face
> is blown out a bit

It works because it captures the mood of spontaneity ...

You're the master of Excellent OOF photographs, Frank 

shel

Re: Florida in January

[graywolf]

Nice, I notice you are a "real photographer" too . I have a shot I want to 
get, but the wind here in the mountains has been so high since I discovered the 
vista that I have been scared to put up my camera on the tripod there. Well one 
thing for sure, the mountains are not going anywhere while I await the proper 
weather.

--

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JCO,
We hate you.  :-)
Bob S. in snow covered Chicago
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm

Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!

Later,
JCO

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: PUG vs AutoPug

[Fred]

> I've tried to reach Igor, but the whole server is down, so no mails to him
> are possible either.
> I am sure they know that the server is down and are working on it.
> I think the hardware crashed. And since they are a nonprofit organisation it
> will take time to reestablish the service. 
> Moving to another site is not so easy, since I don't really want to pay for
> it.
> And my own website has not enough space or bandwidth.

All of the above is a "ditto" for me with the PLG (plg.komkon.org).

Fred

Re: The decline and fall of (Kodak) film

[ernreed2]

> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> > More bleak news today wrt Kodak abandoning even more film
> > production.  Details not important here ... Google is a good
> > place to search for them.
> >
> > BUT ... I was wondering how many here still use Kodak as
> > their primary source for film.

For the last several years, I've used Fuji for colour and Kodak for black & 
white. As a matter of fact, although I have used Kodak colour film at various 
times in my life, I have only ever shot black & white on Kodak films. No doubt 
because locating b&w film of any other brand would have been a major quest ...

In any case, since I shoot hardly any film any more, I'd have to say that now 
I'm using Fuji and Pentax for colour, and Pentax for b&w (the b&w mode on my 
Optio being FAR more convenient than that mode is on the FinePix.)

I also use Fujifilm CD-recordables, much of the
time.

Re: Helmut Newton dead

[Lasse Karlsson]

From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi,
> Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> > 
> > Helmut Newton died today, Friday, in a car crash in Hollywood.
> > Apparently he lost control of his car and crashed into a wall.
> 
> news of this seems to be thin on the ground.  I got a very interesting
> response from google with "helmut newton dead"
> 
> mike

I too have spent some time surfing for Newton stuff.
I found an interesting, candid and amusing conversation between two great 
photographers (Newton and Horvat) at the following link:

http://www.horvatland.com/pages/entrevues/08-newton-en_fr.htm 

Lasse

Re: DIG: how many?

[ernreed2]

> On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
> > I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
> >something sensible.  Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
> >to get lost.
> 
> This is a very valid point, and one I was thinking about. Some people
> have shot lots, but what about archiving? The more you shoot, the more a
> chore it becomes to sit down in front of this blessed screen again and
> file away for posterity. I'd be interested to what folk do once the pics
> are on the computer, and the memory card is deleted.
> 

I save them in folders of 100s or less (in other words, organized by 100s -- 
both of my digicams are set for continuous numbering). First, I copy them from 
the camera card to two folders, one on my regular hard drive, one on my 
removeable hard drive. I "photoshop" the ones on my regular hard drive, and 
later on I archive them to CD -- two copies of each CD. 
I use Adobe Photoshop Album to catalogue the contents of the CDs.
I'm now up to #10,033 with the Fujifilm Finepix 6900 (bought in June 2001) and 
#3181 with the Pentax Optio 550 (bought in July 2003). Since the image quality 
from the Optio is better, and the Optio can fit in my pocket, the Finepix 
hasn't had much use since July. However, there are a few uses for which the 
Finepix is more suitable and it did get a small workout this morning -- about 
70 pictures.

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[ernreed2]

> Hi!
> 
> AF>   To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
> AF>   so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
> 
> I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.
> 
> As for the currency: well - indeed, I can send funds only by means of
> PayPal. I hope it is acceptable.
> 
> Boris
> 


Pretty sure I could chip in at least
$20.

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[ernreed2]

> Hi folks,
> 
> since der komkon server seems to be down for the unforseeable future I
> decided to put at least the January PUG on my own website.

Thank you,
Adelheid.

Money for our own site

[Larry Hodgson]

Count me in. I'll throw in some skins for our own site.

Larry from Prescott

Re: The decline and fall of (Kodak) film

[Ann Sanfedele]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> More bleak news today wrt Kodak abandoning even more film
> production.  Details not important here ... Google is a good
> place to search for them.
>
> BUT ... I was wondering how many here still use Kodak as
> their primary source for film.

 Actually, I was loyal to Kodak for a long time but now have
been using
Fuji color stuff more.  I still prefer gold 100 for negatives.
and I'd really be
upset if TRi-X went, even though I am not shooting a lot of
anything these days.
I never liked T-max.

annsan

Re: Helmut Newton dead

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> 
> Helmut Newton died today, Friday, in a car crash in Hollywood.
> Apparently he lost control of his car and crashed into a wall.

news of this seems to be thin on the ground.  I got a very interesting
response from google with "helmut newton dead"

mike

RE: Kodak examining pro-usage of film too?

[Malcolm Smith]

Cotty wrote:

Sensurround and loads of popcorn :-)

My goodness; the last time I heard the word sensurround, it was in a record
by the "Sex Pistols".

Malcolm

Note 1# "Sex Pistols" were a punk group of the previous century.

Note 2# "Record" is a primitive recording medium superseded by the CD & DVD.

Note 3# "Film" has been replaced by digital cameras. 

History is easy to re-write :-)

Malcolm
Coming soon---> www.wetcatphotos.co.uk

RE: Next PUG subject lined up

[frank theriault]

You're a married man now, Cotty.

Calm down...

Can't wait to see her, though.  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Next PUG subject lined up
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:45:37 +
Just had a word with my next PUG subject ('portraits') and oh boy, she's
a cracker. Up and coming journalist with looks to die for. She liked my
work and said yeah sure.


This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..





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Re: Next PUG subject lined up

[Doug Franklin]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:45:37 +, Cotty wrote:

> This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..

That wouldn't be the same lass from the "James Bond" photos, would it?

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jan 24, 2004, at 1:06 PM, tom wrote:

Contrary to the prevailing wisdom
here, it takes a lot more skill to use flash and get interesting 
results
than to use available light and get interesting results.
I agree wholeheartedly. There are so many options with flash that can 
alter your results. And of course these options range from the very 
simple, such as how the flash is  mounted on the camera, to the very 
complex with multiple units, reflectors, and diffusers. Creating a 
natural or merely interesting look with flash is a worthy challenge and 
certainly an art.

RE: Timing (was: As usual: photo advise sought)

[frank theriault]

Boris,

Don't sweat it, buddy!  I think you're thinking too hard.  Not that I have 
any idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about, but really, you've got to 
just go with the flow.

Shel's sage advice is obviously what one should strive for, but I think what 
you want is to internalize it.  To use your tennis analogy, when you're 
learning, you're thinking, quite conciously, of what you have to do.  Once 
you get good, however, you just get "into a groove".  You don't have to 
think style, it just "happens".  Call it muscle memory, or whatever.

I think candid people photography is like that.  You just know when a thing 
looks good, and you snap.  You also know that sometimes it's going to work, 
and sometimes not, but you don't sweat it, one way or the other.  The "work" 
comes with looking at the results, figuring out what went "wrong" or what 
could be improved upon, and figuring out what to do to alleviate it.  But, 
the shooting part shouldn't be "work".

And, sometimes, despite being quite flawed, a shot works anyway.  This 
discussion made me think of a photo I'd recently taken at a party (where I 
love to take my camera, and just blow through many rolls of film!):

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2074191

It's out of focus.  Quite badly out of focus, in fact.  And, the girl's face 
is blown out a bit (but I was working with a non-ttl flash).  I know what I 
did wrong - I was focusing by the focus scale on the ring, not looking 
through the viewfinder at all.  Shooting with the camera near waist level 
with the lens set at a focal length of 24mm.  Everyone seems much more 
relaxed that way.  And, when I saw Glen and his friend, I just shot.  The 
wall behind them is in focus.  They aren't.  But, I like it anyway.  She has 
a great expression on her face.  And, I like where her tatoo is.  So, 
despite the flaws, I had it printed up anyway, to give to them as a present. 
 And, I'm generally pleased with it.

So, I guess what I'm saying (in this very long story) is, listen to what 
Shel said.  Read the book(s) that Tom mentioned.  But don't get worked up 
about it all.  Learn these things, but just go shoot.  That part's supposed 
to be fun.  And, keep posting stuff.  People who know what they're talking 
about (not me ) will be more than happy to give advice.

FWIW, I liked both of your shots, btw.  Only criticism I had is that the 
shadow from the flash was real harsh, but heck, you were using the on-board 
flash...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Timing (was: As usual: photo advise sought)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:54:22 +0200
Hi!

SB> I recently put up a pic for a few people to comment upon.  Ann really 
tore
SB> into me for posting such crap.  One of her comments was that it was 
obvious
SB> that I wasn't thinking about the light.  So, while the subject was good 
(she
SB> allowed me that much ) the photograph was poor.  I realized I'd been
SB> relying too much on the meter in the camera (as a result of spending 
too much
SB> time playing with my digicam).  I took Ann's criticism to heart, 
borrowed an
SB> unfamiliar camera that had no built in meter, and which required me to
SB> concentrate on the entire process ... BINGO!  While i was just shooting 
a
SB> test roll, there were a couple of very simple pics that turned out to 
be very
SB> nice photographs because I was very conscious about working with the 
light
SB> ... thinking about reflections, shadows, time of day, emulsion, color 
caste,
SB> DOF ... I made myself think about and consider every aspect of what 
went into
SB> making a photograph, and the results showed.

SB> Now, maybe i didn't have to make it so difficult for myself, but I felt 
my
SB> skills were deteriorating a bit, and I didn't want to fall back on 
anything
SB> familiar (like aperture priority or using a meter) while testing 
myself.

You know that's the main problem with me. I remember when I was
playing tennis (having a partner, time and so on), it always was the
case that some of the shots just did not go. Either I was throwing the
ball badly for serve, or not taking proper foot work for backhand, or
making odd moves with the wrist for forehand... Only sometimes I could
concentrate deep enough so that my game had resemblance of sense.
As of now, I cannot possibly see how one could make these two shots
with totally manual control of totally manual cameras... Well, I agree
that faster film and wider aperture would let to hand hold... Other
than that I am at total loss here.
Indeed, if one is about to take a scenery picture - one has time to
prepare and even reconsider. But if your friend looks at you smiling
and raises a glass of beer and you decide you want to have this
captured, you're not going to ask them to repeat this exercise 5 t

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Shel Belinkoff]

In this instance, yes ... for party pics, flash is Oh so cool.  Nice for
weddings too, and product shots.

tom wrote:

> Your way or the highway?

Re: DIG: how many?

[Herb Chong]

i doubt anyone's shooting rate will decrease much after the first couple of
months. as far as rate of shots that get into the "print for display" list,
i also doubt many people's will change. the quality of what gets onto that
list will rise.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: DIG: how many?


> I am not surprised that you guys are shooting the crap out of your new
toys. I
> wonder how many frames you folks will be shooting a year from now.
Meanwhile, I
> continue to play with the Graphic shooting about a 1/2 box (12 sheets) of
film a
> month, though I hope to push that up to a whole box (25 sheets) soon. I
also put
> a couple of rolls of snapshots through the MX each month (as most of my
readers
> know, I am finacially challenged).
>
> Now here is a better quetion, who's production of excellent photographs
has
> increased since getting an istD?

Re: PUG.ORG (was:Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website)

[Cotty]

On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>and who would be willing to contribute?

In 1998 I contributed to a new home for the Dome Home list web presence.
I would certainly contribute here. I think back then it was 10 bucks per,
and I think I gave 20 or 30 if memory serves. US dollars is the world
currency (even here in the UK!) so no problem sending a Hamilton or two




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RE: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too 
> >clean and dainty for us.
> 
> Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting 
> Ray when I was about 11 (1971). Three speed stick shift into 
> a Sturmey-Archer hub. There was a cool mod that we all did 
> that was very popular at the time. Got rid of the big banana 
> seat, cut the rear vertical struts, installed a normal single 
> saddle, attached said struts to saddle so now the bike had 
> extra bracing from the rear axle up to the saddle as well as 
> the normal seat post. These were perhaps the forerunners of 
> the event bikes that you see today?

You cut off the banana seat? Where'd you put your girlfriend?

I had a Red White and Blue Sears bike. It had a banana seat and wheelie
bars, and we'd lower the front of the seat and the bars so you could ride
around chopper style and look cool.

> 
> Kids do stupid things, I was coasting along and letting my 
> foot catch in the front spokes, making a pleasing rattling 
> noise, when it got caught a little further than I planned - 
> round went my foot until it made good contact with the fork, 
> and I somersaulted down the road. Dazed and with twisted 
> ankle, all I could mutter was 'cl!'

Yeah, kids do stupid things. When I was 4 I tried to fix the chain on an
exercise bike and ended up cutting a finger off.

tv

Re: Florida in January

[Dr E D F Williams]

Excellent pictures but what an ugly place!

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "pentax discuss"
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Florida in January


> It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
> and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
>
> http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
>
>
> Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
>
> Later,
> JCO
>
> --
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>

Re: DIG: how many?

[Cotty]

On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
> I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
>something sensible.  Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
>to get lost.

This is a very valid point, and one I was thinking about. Some people
have shot lots, but what about archiving? The more you shoot, the more a
chore it becomes to sit down in front of this blessed screen again and
file away for posterity. I'd be interested to what folk do once the pics
are on the computer, and the memory card is deleted.

It seems that most professional workflows involve DVD archiving, for the
shere number of frames exposed. I'll bet tv has shot an average of 6 or 7
thousand a month, and that's a lot of work. I'm currently shooting an
average of about 6000 frames per year, and as i don't have a DVD burner,
I archive camera originals onto CD. I also go through stuff I've shot,
and optimise selected frames ready for printing or whatever. These are
also archived separately onto CD, although obviously nowhare near as
many. Probably 10 or 20 out of every hundred shots, if that.

I print a folder of 100 shots onto a page of A4 as a contact sheet for
reference, and I have a simple database with keywords for looking up
subject areas etc. This has taken a bit of a back seat, and I'm currently
dozens of folders behind on the database. This is because it's much
easier to pick up contact sheets and skim through them. Much more fun, also.

So how are *you* coping with digital post production??



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Next PUG subject lined up

[Cotty]

Just had a word with my next PUG subject ('portraits') and oh boy, she's
a cracker. Up and coming journalist with looks to die for. She liked my
work and said yeah sure.



This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..






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Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[Cotty]

On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
>clean and dainty for us.

Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting Ray when I was
about 11 (1971). Three speed stick shift into a Sturmey-Archer hub. There
was a cool mod that we all did that was very popular at the time. Got rid
of the big banana seat, cut the rear vertical struts, installed a normal
single saddle, attached said struts to saddle so now the bike had extra
bracing from the rear axle up to the saddle as well as the normal seat
post. These were perhaps the forerunners of the event bikes that you see
today?

Kids do stupid things, I was coasting along and letting my foot catch in
the front spokes, making a pleasing rattling noise, when it got caught a
little further than I planned - round went my foot until it made good
contact with the fork, and I somersaulted down the road. Dazed and with
twisted ankle, all I could mutter was 'cl!'

Kids.



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RE: As usual: photo advise sought

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> I'm a bit of an odd duck here ... never used a flash, don't 
> own a flash, can't see any reason to do so.  

So, basically you have no experience with what you're talking about?

Your way or the highway?

Boris - you really should learn all you can about exposure, but bear in mind
that figuring out a correct exposure is not the same thing as being able to
"read" the light that is available.

I find it kind of funny that everyone wants to give you exposure advice -
your expsoures were fine. As far as party pics go, they're fine. They're
just party pics, right? Or were you trying to make some grand statement?

If you want to get beyond "just party pics", you either need to learn how to
work with available light or work a flash. Contrary to the prevailing wisdom
here, it takes a lot more skill to use flash and get interesting results
than to use available light and get interesting results. Luckily there's
nothing preventing you from trying both.

tv

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

AF>   To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
AF>   so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.

I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.

As for the currency: well - indeed, I can send funds only by means of
PayPal. I hope it is acceptable.

Boris

Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[frank theriault]

Thanks, John,

Great stories, those.  I'm glad to hear that your and your better half are 
still riding.  Who was it that called bicycles "mankind's noblest 
invention"?  Of course, I too love bikes.  I'm about 5 years younger than 
you, so I must confess that I lusted for a Stingray (actually, Schwinns were 
hard to get around Montreal, but Canada's largest bike manufacturer at the 
time, CCM, made the Mustang, a Stingray rip-off).  Never got one, but I did 
get a big Sears balloon tired cantilevered frame 50 pound monster  that was 
(by then) totally square, but was actually ~way~ more practical than a 
Mustang - but who wants practical when your 8?  

Those old Schwinn road bikes were lovely things.  Funny, but I thought of 
Schwinn today, when I read that Captain Kangaroo (Bob Keeshan) died.  
Schwinn was one of the Captain's major sponsors.  I ~so~ wanted a Schwinn 
(as I said, weren't available where I grew up).  The phrase I'll always 
remember (I don't know why, but I do), is at the end of the live promos, 
Captain Kangaroo always added, paranthetically, "Prices slightly higher in 
the South and in the West".  I always wondered what those people did to piss 
off Schwinn and the Captain!  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT:  People and Their Bikes #3
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:38:59 -0700
I have a few vintage bikes. Here's my 1964 Schwinn Super Sport light
weight, with the nicely made, very nimble fillet brazed frame, classy
chrome fork, and a well-worn Brooks saddle. I rescued this one from a
Goodwill store, in pristine condition, for twenty bucks.
http://www.photolin.com/misc/64SS.jpg

The Super Sport model was near the top of the line, made along with
the Paramounts but about half their price, and way out of my price
range back in '64 when I was 13.
Buying a good bike was a heady experience for me in 1964.  For years
my brother and had pieced together our balloon-tire coaster-brake
bikes from second hand parts and frames, building and re-building them
as we grew and wore them out.  We had nothing but disdain for the
fancy new bikes our friends owned, probably because we could not
afford to buy a bike new.
The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
clean and dainty for us.  We would race our beaters around, lock up
the back tire, and see who could leave the longest skid mark on the
hot Texas asphalt, coming as close as possible to hitting the Sting
Ray sissies, who would cower in fear, afraid we would get their new
bikes dirty, or heaven forbid, scratched. Ha. Take that.
But one fine day I headed off to the Toy Chest on Camp Bowie Boulevard
in Fort Worth.  They were a Schwinn dealer and well-stocked toy store,
years before anything like Toys-R-Us appeared, owned and operated by a
nice couple for many years.  I made several trips there, alone,
secretly admiring the beautiful new bikes in their showroom, the likes
of which I'd never dreamed of before.
I couldn't stomach the idea of me actually buying a Sting Ray, which
to me was for silly kids, but there was this new thing - 5 and
10-speed derailer bikes - that completely caught my fancy.  I chose a
5-speed Collegiate in Radiant Coppertone, which was the best bike I
could afford.  Man, did that bike make my heart throb.
The Toy Chest owner let me take it home for $20 down and the promise
of two more payments of $20 a month, on my own good word as a steadily
employed paper boy at age 13.  I even started taking care of it,
washing and waxing, taking care not to tear it up or leave it
unlocked. Talk about a big change in attitude.
Several years later, after high school, my Collegiate went to a new
home, still in fine condition.  Then almost 25 years passed before I
bought another bike.  My interest was re-kindled, and now I have a
garage full of bikes.
And just to keep the topic on people, here's my better half
accompanying me to the pond on her nice little Giant hybrid mountain
bike.
http://www.photolin.com/misc/linn06.jpg

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Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3

[frank theriault]

Ken,

You may be thinking of the fellow poised to go down the long flight of 
stairs that Ryan posted last week or so?

I can't take responsibility for that one.  I don't think I have any mountain 
bike shots.

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT:  People and Their Bikes #3
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:37:06 -0500
Well there was that other guy on  a mountain bike headed downhill...

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: OT: People and Their Bikes #3
> Has anyone other than I noticed that apparently in Toronto Frank is the
only
> male who rides a bicycle? 

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Re: Kodak examining pro-usage of film too?

[Cotty]

On 23/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Actually, Herb, it isn't too bad!  At one time my sister-in-law's father
>worked for Technicolour in the UK, and we could get substantial amounts of
>film for no cost from him (don't know whether he had to pay for it).  My
>brother and I both used it, and the quality was fine.  The only drawback was
>that it could only be processed by Technicolour, and of course it came back
>unmounted.

Great fun to look at the prints too. Sensurround and loads of popcorn :-)




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RE: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[frank theriault]

Well, first of all, Adelheid:

Complaints?  Are you kidding?  Complaints?!?

Sounds to me like you and Jostein are going way above and beyond the call of 
duty trying to sort this stuff out (none of which, obviously your fault).

I'd say a big huge thanks is in order for your efforts in getting PUG up and 
running again.

I'll buy you a drink at GFM.And, Jostein, too, I guess...

Now, as far as Alin's suggestion of us pooling funds for a PUG site on 
another server (is that the right terminology?  I hope so), I'm all for 
that.  If a one time "donation" of, say $20US from most or many of us can 
keep things going for a couple of years, I'm down for that (as the kids say 
nowadays - or is that phrase now longer "in"?)

Thanks again,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Adelheid v. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ONLY - PUG January is on my website Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 
12:19:28 +0100

Hi folks,

since der komkon server seems to be down for the unforseeable future I
decided to put at least the January PUG on my own website.
This means:

Some links on this page are NOT!!! working.
But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the
pictures of January.
Since I changed some typos directly on the komkon server the descriptions
and other things are not ok on some pages. But the pics should be there.
I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month is available!
No archives as such.
So now the issue of the URL
It will change each month at present it is:
http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04jan
I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out 
for
good.
If you have complaints questions about this site please use the mailing
address:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The address on the page DOESN'T work!!!

I hope this helps a little.
Please be patient, the server connection is not as good as the one on the
komkon server.
Cheers
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RE: DIG: how many?

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Jostein:
> 
> >Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 
> >years, and another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
> 
> Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17 
> years shot somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 pictures with 
> 35mm, 10mm and APS cameras.

My best guess is I'm up around 40,000 since April.

tv

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[Alin Flaider]

Bob S. wrote:

Rac> Alin or anyone,
Rac> What would the annual cost of something like this be?

  For 800 MB storage and 2 GB bandwidth I expect 10$/month. [2
  GB/month is a rough figure but I really don't think current PUG
  traffic is anywhere close to that; somebody in the PUG team with
  access to komkon logs might provide the real value]. Add to this
  20$/year for the domain name and the annual cost is 140$.
  To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
  so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
 
  Servus,  Alin

Re: ONLY - PUG January is on my website

[graywolf]

Where my website is hosted -- http://detailhosting.com/ -- it costs me $5.95 a 
month, but the PUG may need more bandwidth and space than I have (5gig, 250mb), 
so it may cost a bit more than that. In any case web hosting is not as expensive 
as it used to be.

--

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Alin or anyone,
What would the annual cost of something like this be?
Regards,  Bob S.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Adelheid wrote:
AvK> I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out 
for
AvK> good.

  To the PUG team and anybody else interested,
  
  If the komkon (a private non-lucrative initiative) is going down, I
  suggest it's time to make our own server. Prices of hosting and
  domains are quite accessible and there should be no problem for us
  to raise the necessary funds required to keep the site running for
  the next couple of years. Not to mention that we might switch at
  some time to a dynamic site that automates posting, page generation,
  mail confirmation, personal mini-gallery, etc. We have among us
  enough programmers perfectly able to contribute.

  Any one willing to act on behalf of the community and gather the
  money to pay for the registration and hosting of, say,
  www.pugallery.org ?
  Servus,  Alin

  P.S. I came up with the same idea a couple of years ago, hopefully
  this time there's more enthusiastic support with the advent of
  digital in the Pentax world. :oT

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: DIG: how many?

[Anders Hultman]

Jostein:

Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 years, and
another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17 years shot
somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 pictures with 35mm, 10mm and APS
cameras.
In August, I bought a small P&S digital, and in those five months I've
taken 6,600 pictures with it.
My shooting habits have changed a bit, but not as much as the differences in
numbers indicate. I'm still interested in the same motifs, which means that my
shooting opportunities are more dependent on available leisure time than
anything else.
I'm also interested in the same kind of motives as I was before, but
the close-to-nothing cost of each shot definitely makes me shoot more.
Another factor is that since this P&S is so very small, I actually carry
it all the time. Never leave home without it. As soon as I see something
funny, odd-lloking or interesting in the street, I can take a couple of
pictures of it. Any time. And I do.
I don't think a big, fancy DSLR would have the same effect on my shooting
habits, though, since I wouldn't carry it all the time, and it wouldn't
be as unobtrusive as this little camera is. I'd probably shoot more than
I did with film, but not *that* much more.
anders

http://anders.hultman.nu/dagens/ << a picture a day, all taken with the dp&s

Re: DIG: how many?

[Steve Desjardins]

BTW, I was in DC on Thursday and I had my MZ-S with me.  I still switch
back and forth since I still enjoy using the MZ-S.  For the first time
however,  I really missed the instant feedback and felt especially
constricted about pressing the shutter release.  That "shoot at will"
attitude is dangerous with film.   


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: DIG: how many?

[Steve Desjardins]

Hell, yes.  Don't you people have a life?  

As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
 I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
something sensible.  Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
to get lost.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/23/04 11:14PM >>>

>1570 in under 3 weeks shooting, some experiments around home, two
afternoon
>outings and one evening concert.



interesting to see how many people try to justify why they took so few

photographs ;-)

I just checked. My score is 4564.  And I have only had the camera for 2
weeks!
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(just kidding, I've had it for longer)
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    (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: DIG: how many?

[Jostein]

My score is 1149 since early November. 

Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 years, and
another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.

My shooting habits have changed a bit, but not as much as the differences in
numbers indicate. I'm still interested in the same motifs, which means that my
shooting opportunities are more dependent on available leisure time than
anything else.


Cheers,
Jostein

Quoting mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> interesting to see how many people try to justify why they took so few 
> photographs ;-)
> 
> I just checked. My score is 4564.  And I have only had the camera for 2
> weeks!



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Re: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D

[Steve Desjardins]

The Pentax photo lab (PPL) white balance is very nice, but I only need
it so often.  I haven't had quite as much luck as Bill with the manual
white balance.  That indoor swimming pool (where I have done most of my
manual balancing) has the most troublesome lights.  I also wonder if the
lighting changes from one end to the other.  Anyway, the PPL with raw
fixed that well, so if I suspect a difficult white balance I switch to
raw.  Most times, however, ***L works fine.
 As for exposure, I admit I'm not quite good enough with that
Curves-style tool to make those fine adjustments worth while.  I
practice when I can, however, and hope springs eternal . . .


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/23/04 05:38PM >>>
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I also shoot ***L (*ist D for highest quality/res jpeg).  It's
easily
> sufficient unto the task.  If I need better, I can switch to Tiff or
Raw
> on the fly.  To be honest, however, unless I'm also using a tripod
there
> probably isn't much point.  I have one  Lexar 1GB card, 1 GB IBM
> microdrive and a 256 MB eFilm card. If I were going on a trip, I'd
> probably buy a few more 1 GB cards.

There is a big point to RAW besides extra resolution that you might
get from avoiding compression artificacts.  RAW saves 12 bits of data
per pixel (instead of 8) and the data hasn't been run through the
white balance or exposure code yet.  As a result you can make sweeping
white balance changes and better exposure changes than you can make to
a JPEG file.

alex

Timing (was: As usual: photo advise sought)

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

SB> I recently put up a pic for a few people to comment upon.  Ann really tore
SB> into me for posting such crap.  One of her comments was that it was obvious
SB> that I wasn't thinking about the light.  So, while the subject was good (she
SB> allowed me that much ) the photograph was poor.  I realized I'd been
SB> relying too much on the meter in the camera (as a result of spending too much
SB> time playing with my digicam).  I took Ann's criticism to heart, borrowed an
SB> unfamiliar camera that had no built in meter, and which required me to
SB> concentrate on the entire process ... BINGO!  While i was just shooting a
SB> test roll, there were a couple of very simple pics that turned out to be very
SB> nice photographs because I was very conscious about working with the light
SB> ... thinking about reflections, shadows, time of day, emulsion, color caste,
SB> DOF ... I made myself think about and consider every aspect of what went into
SB> making a photograph, and the results showed.

SB> Now, maybe i didn't have to make it so difficult for myself, but I felt my
SB> skills were deteriorating a bit, and I didn't want to fall back on anything
SB> familiar (like aperture priority or using a meter) while testing myself.

You know that's the main problem with me. I remember when I was
playing tennis (having a partner, time and so on), it always was the
case that some of the shots just did not go. Either I was throwing the
ball badly for serve, or not taking proper foot work for backhand, or
making odd moves with the wrist for forehand... Only sometimes I could
concentrate deep enough so that my game had resemblance of sense.

As of now, I cannot possibly see how one could make these two shots
with totally manual control of totally manual cameras... Well, I agree
that faster film and wider aperture would let to hand hold... Other
than that I am at total loss here.

Indeed, if one is about to take a scenery picture - one has time to
prepare and even reconsider. But if your friend looks at you smiling
and raises a glass of beer and you decide you want to have this
captured, you're not going to ask them to repeat this exercise 5 times
just that you can bracket your exposure manually and try some
interesting angles while bracketing...

I definitely need more guidance ...

Boris

Re: DIG: how many?

[Steve Desjardins]

566.  Which, of course, is far, far more than I've ever shot with film
in a 6 week period.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

PS> How true. When you don't have to think about exposure, you stop
PS> thinking about light. When you stop thinking about light, you produce 
PS> crap. I didn't look at the photos in question, so I can't comment on 
PS> that. But I agree that an on camera flash is almost never the right 
PS> solution.

Paul, even if you did not look at the pictures at the time of the
above writing, you have to realize that I just took my camera and
trusty 50 mm lens with to have fun. Folks liked their shots immensely.
So, I guess I both made them feel good and learned something from this
experience.

Not to mention some beer that I finally could drink...

Now I suppose PDML would ban me for the above sentence ...

Boris

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

SB> I'd agree with that, yet for the type of work Boris was showing, such
SB> creative work with flash is not gonna cut it.  For ambient light
SB> photography (I almost said available light, but some smartass would counter
SB> that the camera flash IS available) one will do much better by
SB> understanding the light and how proper exposure and development can come
SB> together to create a truly wonderful photo rather than the average pap
SB> produced by most photographers these days.

I undoubtedly need to learn which I will as I am afraid  PDML will
"force" me to.

SB> More and more the photographs we see have a "generic" look about them ...
SB> so many people are using slower zoom lenses, 400 speed film, lab
SB> processing, and relying on cameras with meters that do the thinking, that
SB> it's becoming rare to find  photographs that are made by the photographer
SB> rather than technology.

I took me very little time to put away slow zoom though I see nothing
wrong with 400 speed film per se. I still process in the lab and rely
on meters though do my own scanning and editing.

Honestly, I think that there're some thing best left to technology,
such as flash automation of sorts, and thing best left to a man, say
choice of aperture (DOF).

But it does really belong to the topic... I think.

Boris

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Shel,

Adding "in-law" to both mother and son wherever applicable gives this
joke totally different perspective, does it not? 

SB> A nice Jewish mother gave her son two ties for his birthday.  Wanting to show
SB> his appreciation for the gift, he wore one to dinner the next evening.  Upon
SB> seeing the tie, his mother said, "So, what was wrong with the other one that
SB> you didn't wear it."

Boris

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

g> As I said subtile. The emotional undercurrent in a photo is far more important
g> than most photographers seem to realize.

I am afraid I am going to admit that I still have to start scratching
the surface of that.

g> Is he? Or is he explaining, or is he arguing. The feeling from the photo is that
g> he is defensive about it somehow. That comes from the leaning back tilt of the 
g> photo. And, I do not think that was what Boris had in mind. As it is the photo 
g> is ambiguous, but it is not ambiguous enough to seem deliberately ambiguous.

As I said, it was not deliberate and I did not have time to think all
of this shot through. It came out this way and I suppose I missed it
to a point (above).

g> GRIN! (For folks who have not looked at it Boris's photo is of a guy racking
g> pool balls, not pornography). Do they both have to be in focus? I think not, you 
g> can change the meaning of the photograph simply by selective focus. Is it a 
g> photo of a guy playing pool? Or it a photo of a pool game with a player in the 
g> back ground? See what I mean?

Tom, I really wanted to have them both in focus as my thought was that
this guy is explaining about this ball... I think it was shot at f/5.6
or even f/8...

g> Boris's photo is actually an excellent teaching vehicle, as it is a good 
g> snapshot, the value is in learning how it could be a powerful photograph.

Now I am flattered ...

g> I think folks are now seeing why I do not generally critique photos. But I felt
g> Boris was asking for instruction rather than praise. However, everybody note, 
g> that I did not tell him to use a different viewpoint, or angle, or distance. 
g> That would be telling him to make a different picture, not how to improve the 
g> one he chose to make.

Indeed, I was asking for instruction. Actually, I am almost always
asking for instruction. As my aim is to improve. On all aspects of the
photography (including some funny sentences related to balls )...
Seriously, I'd much rather get an instruction like this instead of
infinite number of ohs and wows without any specific word except the
exclamation marks...

But again, it is me only...

Boris

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

DM> Yes, I am glad that I saw the photo before I read that.

DM> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

>> Also, would the balls and face be in focus if shooting at f2?

DM> Now I'm scared to open this photo.  :)

And you say I am the one being *behind* the language barrier
...

Boris

Re: As usual: photo advise sought

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

g> OK, 1. You did not have the camera level. If it was the subject would have been
g> leaning slightly forward into the frame, as it is he is leaning back slightly 
g> and it give the view a teetery feeling almost with out knowing why. If you had 
g> errored in the other direction it would not have been so bad, as that is the way 
g> you unconsciously expect him to be leaning.

I really did not notice that. My bad!

g> 2. As in the other shot, you did not think of where the flash was going to throw 
g> the shadow. If you can not avoid a flash shadow it is usually best to arrange it 
g> to be on the far side of the subject. Or to make it a bold part of the 
g> composition, but he is too close to the wall to do that in this instance.

I knew flash was going to spoil it but I wanted to get some DOF so I
had to stop down a little. Well, I realize now, I couldn't get away...

g> 3. The crop is to low in this particular photo you would be better off with more 
g> table and less air above the subjects head.

Actually I disagree, but I see your point and I will try it both ways
in the future.

g> 4. More subtilely the shot lacks the dynamic look that would indicate the 
g> intensity to go with his expression. Also he is obviously has his attention on 
g> something out of the frame but no indication of what.

He is explaining the rules of the black ball in this variety of pool
game. I suppose I failed to make it as clear as I wanted it to be.

g> Remember, B&W photography is all about light and shadow, unlike color 
g> photography where you want to avoid deep shadows most of the time. I believe you 
g> have a fast lens (f2?), you should have been able to shoot these available 
g> light. Being young and healthy you can probably hold 50mm down to about 1/8 
g> second with a bit of practice, certainly f2 @ 1/15th which I think would have 
g> worked in there. All those rules you find in books have to do with being safe, 
g> you kind of have to push the limits sometimes if you want great photos.

I have FA 50/1.7 lens which was used. My known slowest speed is 1/20.
The problem is of course that these two shots were made after I drank
even as little as quarter a liter of bear. I don't think I could pull
such a trick. Unfortunately they decided to close some of the windows
which forced me to use the flash. But that's lame excuse ...

g> Is this helpful?

Take it or leave, but it *is* helpful, and very much so.

It is good to be PDMLer even if sometimes they beat crap out of you
...

Thanks, Tom, I appreciate your comments!

Boris

Re: 3.5/24 SMC Pentax

[Fred]

> the mount is strangely corroded but seems to work OK

I wonder what sort of corrosion it has, Raimo.  I once had an M*
300/4 that was in overall great shape, except that it had been
corroded on the surface of the K-mount flange (I assumed it had been
left on a body with some water between the body flange and the lens
flange).  In my case, the corrosion had eaten away some of the
chrome surface of the flange in some areas, but did not affect its
functionality (and, besides, you couldn't see the corrosion when the
lens was mounted on a body - ).

Fred

Re: DIG: how many?

[Herb Chong]

it strikes me that the shooters are the ones who bought and fondlers didn't.

Herb
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: DIG: how many?


> Not with a *istD but over 16,000 with the D1 since July 2001:-)

Re: 3.5/24 SMC Pentax

[Fred]

> I have noticed that objects in the edges get distorted (pulled
> long) but I guess this is normal for such lenses (I noticed my new
> to me K18/3.5 does that too).

It is normal (and unavoidable) for normal rectilinear wide-angle
lenses to do this - it is the result of the wide-angle perspective.
(And, while it is "distortion" in a general sense, that is not what
is referred to as distortion in a lens.)  The abnormality to watch
out for is true distortion, where straight lines near the edge of
the filed end up being bowed out (barrel distortion) or bowed in
(pincushion distortion).

Fred