Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
As driver: cut down Range Rover racer - est. 130mph (the speedo finished
at 120)
As passenger: 170mph in a Jaguar, being taken around Silverstone to get
shots of Derek Warwick - can't remember the type as it was over ten years
ago. I remember him apologising for being slow, as it was wet...

Cotty

PS - the shots were a bit wobbly :-)

My personal best on a public way was in my 1979 Jaguar XJ12. It was on 
route 18 in New Jersey. I entered on route 79 and headed east toward 
route 34. I didn't see any speed traps, so I turned around and held it 
to the floor going the other way. 138 mph on the speedo. On a dragstrip 
I went 187 in a 1420 pound dragster that had been broken in half in an 
earlier crash and welded back together. It was powered by a fuel 
injected 6.7 liter Pontiac engine running on 70% nitromethane. It blew 
one head gasket in the lights and covered me with oil. But I was only 
19 at the time, so my stupidity is entirely excusable. In the following 
years I built some much faster drag cars (a Corvette that went 237 in 
6.35 seconds) but never drove any of them. I had learned the meaning of 
fear.
Paul
On Feb 23, 2004, at 8:24 PM, John Francis wrote:


 My personally driven top speed is a more modest 105mph in my first car

 I've done 120mph or more in three cars:

  o  A Bentley R-type (on the A127 coming back from Southend).
 I started out running at around 80mph, and the speed gradually
 crept up.  Absolutely no sensation of speed.  Fortunately I
 didn't have to slow down rapidly, as I'm sure thar drum brakes
 (even if they are 14 drums) would take a long time to have
 much of an effect on a car that heavy going that fast.

  o  My Triumph Vitesse on the motorway spur from the M4 to Reading.
 Scary - the front of the car was almost lifting off the road.

  o  My current car - a Ford Mustang GT convertible - on route 3
 at around 2:00 am, with no other traffic in sight.  That was
 in 1986, when the car was new.






Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my new
*ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!

Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
Pentax had used it!

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au






PAW (... )

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
OK, here's another one.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2158144size=lg

DagT



Re: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 24.02.04 10:21, Dr. Shaun Canning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my new
 *ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!
 
 Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
 Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
 Pentax had used it!
 
Nice thing, isn't it? Over 10 times faster than USB 1.1 on *istD and much
more convenient for everyday use :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
I bought a Lexar Firewire CF reader yesterday, and YES! it was an impovement.

From what I've heard the USB 2.0 is not as fast as firewire in practical use

DagT

 
 Fra: Dr. Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my new
 *ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!
 
 Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
 Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
 Pentax had used it!
 
 Cheers
 
 Shaun
 
 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au
 
 
 
 
 



Uncle Herb's thoughts

2004-02-24 Thread Bob Rapp
I saw this and thought about the difficulties with TTL flash and many other
issues.

http://www.photoreporter.com/2004/02-12/features/the_way_it_is.html

Bob



Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars:

2004-02-24 Thread John Forbes
Before speed cameras, I once got from London to Scotland in four and a 
half hours.  The car was quite warm on arrival.

John

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:15:06 +1000, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I had a 1963 bog-standard 850cc Mini that would do about 85mph flat-out, 
but
it always worried me that the rear-end was a bit untidy at high speeds.
Then I found the previous owner had mended the cracked rear sub-frame 
with a
piece of shoe-leather...
Once averaged 100mph from Walsall to Leeds (about 160 miles) in a Ford
Cortina with 4 up - must have been mad (or late).

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message -
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars:


 keith said
   I'd give my left goanie for a Mini!
   Maybe both for a Cooper-Pooper!  Sighhh.

 To each his own, I guess. I grew up around a real Mini. I just can't
attach
 the name to a car as large as the new Mini.

As did I.  I drove the original, many times.

But the MINI is a heck of a lot smaller than practically
anything else on the road this side of Tokyo (except the
Swatch, perhaps), and is much more fun to drive.
(This opinion is shared by my mother's neighbour, who
had a Swatch capable of 120mph.  He drives a MINI now).




--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/


Screwheads and collectors

2004-02-24 Thread Bob Rapp
Take time out to add you equipment to the growing list of Pentax screwmount
cameras and lenses. Also, you can view where your equipement falls in the
S/N ranges.

http://www.m-fortytwo.info/firstpage.htm

Bob Rapp



Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread Kevin Waterson
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559

Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
 __  
(_ \ 
 _) )            
|  /  / _  ) / _  | / ___) / _  )
| |  ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / 
|_|   \) \_||_| \) \)
Kevin Waterson
Port Macquarie, Australia



Re: Screwheads and collectors

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Feb 2004 at 21:07, Bob Rapp wrote:

 Take time out to add you equipment to the growing list of Pentax screwmount
 cameras and lenses. Also, you can view where your equipement falls in the S/N
 ranges.
 
 http://www.m-fortytwo.info/firstpage.htm

Looks pretty good although they could use a hand from JCO filling out the 
equipment pics :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Screwheads and collectors

2004-02-24 Thread Bob Rapp
The site is in its infancy. Originally, Nigel was interested in bodies only
then added the lenses. He is very keen and will improve the site over time.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Screwheads and collectors


 On 24 Feb 2004 at 21:07, Bob Rapp wrote:

  Take time out to add you equipment to the growing list of Pentax
screwmount
  cameras and lenses. Also, you can view where your equipement falls in
the S/N
  ranges.
 
  http://www.m-fortytwo.info/firstpage.htm

 Looks pretty good although they could use a hand from JCO filling out the
 equipment pics :-)


 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
 Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




MZ6/ZXL/MZL LCD color back light

2004-02-24 Thread cloversan

Hello,

In France, the MZ6 has an orange back light color.
But I remember a gif where the LCD is blue.

http://www.clover.freesurf.fr/MZ6Tour.gif

What about the color in the US ?




Re: MZ-S grid screen

2004-02-24 Thread cloversan

Mark Erickson écrit:

 Anyone on the list have the grid screen installed in their MZ-S?  How do you
 like it?
 
 --Mark
 

It was set befor I use it with standard one.
Very usefulle, but, I may prefer the gold grid one which was avaible withb
the Z1p



Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Whaley


Cotty wrote:
 
 As driver: cut down Range Rover racer - est. 130mph (the speedo finished
 at 120)
 As passenger: 170mph in a Jaguar, being taken around Silverstone to get
 shots of Derek Warwick - can't remember the type as it was over ten years
 ago. I remember him apologising for being slow, as it was wet...

Surely that wasn't with your shoulder-borne Sony!  g

keith
 
 Cotty



Re: Interesting article: Largest lens ever!

2004-02-24 Thread Herb Chong
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2004/08/. the
images are there from Hubble and confirmed by the Keck telescope in Hawaii.
Hubble found it and Keck measured the distance.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article: Largest lens ever!


 Perhaps you'd like to explain what a 'gravitational' lens is Herb? Also
 isn't 'detection' differentiated from resolving it optically? Eitherway,
off
 or not, I found the mere concept of using cosmic gases as optical elements
 interesting. Not being in the industry, the specifics don't really bug me.




Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
LOL  But Ann, Raimo said nothing about the PAW being the
cause of the list being too busy, did he?  I noticed he pout
up a link to his photography page as well.

As for sending comments privately, I know that's done, but
it's also valuable to send many of the comments via the list
since that's a good way for some people to learn.  For
example, the discussion about cropping Frank's puppy pic is
a good thing to be public as others can see and participate
in the making of a final photo.

I didn't see anyone complaining about the GFM threads, which
had nothing to do with photography, but, rather, was about
setting up a social situation amongst users.  Or maybe we
should discontinue whisky and car threads, or those stupid
and unintelligible digital threads, or comments about
scrabble, or any personal comments.

Just out of curiosity, what are the threads that are
important to you that you don't want to miss?

For the first time in a while there is something going on
that's of real interest to a certain number of list members
that have no or little interest in a lot of other topics
that go on here.

So, some cranky minority wants to curtail the PAW, limit
discussions resulting from it, reduce it to a once a week
Friday event, because they can't handle it.  Well, to use
the  sane words that are used when people have complained
about other types of threads: Use the delete key.  At least
those that are participating in the PAW have been courteous
enough to include PAW in the subject line to allow for easy
filtering or deleting.  That's more than can be said for
many who post lots of off topic comments about other, non
photographic related subjects.

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 Raimo K wrote:
 
  PDML is too active now - which in itself is a good thing - but I have
  difficulties in keeping up so I think I´ll have to unsubscribe for awhile.
  All the best!
  Raimo K
  Personal photography homepage at:
  http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
 
 I second that --
 Perhaps some of the comments on PAWS could be sent
 privately ???

 I really don't want to unsubscribe because there
 are a few important threads
 here I don't want to miss but I'm overwhelmed  -



Re: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Herb Chong
i had trouble with my SanDisk 6-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. it would run only at
USB 1.1 speed despite being rated at USB 2.0 high speed. i have since
replaced it with a Lexar Firewire reader.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Firewired...


 I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my new
 *ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!

 Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
 Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
 Pentax had used it!




Re: Scotland and Single Malt

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Whaley
I got a cask strength bottle of Glenmorangie from my wife's last
business trip to Edinburgh, and I must say I find the lower proof more tasty.
Oh, I managed to finish it  ; -)  but for pure taste I prefer the 86
proof version.
That's been my only exposure to cask strength whisky, and that
observation is clouded by inexperience!

keith whaley

Mark Erickson wrote:
 
 All,
 
 Thanks to some nice pointers from list members (John Forbes among others)
 I've got tickets into Glasgow for the last week in May.  I'm going to
 celebrate with a little Glenfarclas 12 Year (their Cask Strength 105 is
 wonderful, but hard to get and really expensive in California).  Neat with a
 glass of water on the side.
 
 --Mark



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 Feb 2004 at 20:00, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 So, some cranky minority wants to curtail the PAW, limit
 discussions resulting from it, reduce it to a once a week
 Friday event, because they can't handle it.

You're sounding like a cranky old fart Shel, lighten up, the Friday suggestion 
was only that, and if you were keen to turn this forum into a daily photo 
techniques forum why introduce the concept as PAW. From my stunted technical 
perspective I read it as a-picture-week, no?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 Feb 2004 at 20:00, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 So, some cranky minority wants to curtail the PAW, limit
 discussions resulting from it, reduce it to a once a week
 Friday event, because they can't handle it.

Doh, make that...

I read it as a picture-a-week, no?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Special lenses for digital

2004-02-24 Thread John Forbes
Have any digital slr users experienced the sensor-reflection phenomenon 
referred to by Keppler?

It's a bit worrying.  I have been buying up lots of cheap (but good) old 
Pentax lenses on Ebay in anticipation of buying a *ist D.

I have never seen a real sensor up close, but I wouldn't have expected 
them to be too reflective. After all, they're meant to read the light, not 
reject it.

It's one of those things that smack very much of hype in order to get 
consumers to buy new lenses, but at the same time it clearly could be true.

John

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:21:14 -0500, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i had trouble with my SanDisk 6-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. it would run only at
USB 1.1 speed despite being rated at USB 2.0 high speed. i have since
replaced it with a Lexar Firewire reader.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Firewired...

I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my 
new
*ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!

Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
Pentax had used it!





--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/


RE: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Brigham
Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!

I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
UK price of the thing!

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 23 February 2004 22:29
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Photoshop CS RAW Converter
 
 
 Based on Herb and Paul's comments, I downloaded and installed 
 the Photoshop 
 CS update today.
 
 I am _really_ impressed.
 
 A while back I took a shot that was calculated to overwhelm 
 the resolution 
 of the *ist-D.  It was basically a wider-angle landscape shot 
 with lots of 
 branches, twigs, dried leaves, etc in it.  After processing 
 it with the 
 Pentax RAW converter, upsampling it to 12x18 in Genuine 
 Fractals 2.0, and 
 then sharpening, I found the print to be unacceptbale in terms of 
 detail.  Trees looked plastic and the areas with lots of 
 branches resolved 
 into a sort of haze.  With the CS RAW converter I upsampled 
 and sharpened 
 the image as part of the RAW processing, and then just made 
 some color 
 adjustments.  It's considerably better than the first 
 attempt, though I 
 still would not consider it to be acceptable.  The 35mm film 
 exposures 
 (Velvia) taken at the same time are still better.
 
 The shot I used as a test was packed with tons of info - I 
 really went out 
 a picked a scene that I expected would need more resolution 
 that the *ist-D 
 could possibly deliver.  But other scenes that are not so 
 demanding - like 
 some lighthouse shots were there is just not much fine detail 
 - have been 
 fine with the *ist-D and Pentax converter, and look really 
 outstanding with 
 the CS converter.
 
 I'd rate Photoshop CS as a 'must have' utility, if you want 
 to print larger 
 images.
 
 - MCC
 -
 
 Mark Cassino Photography
 
 Kalamazoo, MI
 
http://www.markcassino.com

-





RE: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Sounds like your motherboard only supported 1.1 Herb? Weird?

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 7:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Firewired...

i had trouble with my SanDisk 6-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. it would run only at
USB 1.1 speed despite being rated at USB 2.0 high speed. i have since
replaced it with a Lexar Firewire reader.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Firewired...


 I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the arrival of my new
 *ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!

 Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 512mb CF card.
 Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if only
 Pentax had used it!





RE: Photokina : Big Surprise ?

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Brigham
I will go for *ost for the papa-D (Most, Ghost, Lost, Boost etc)

And *rst for the baby-D (First, Worst)

maybe also *ast for a retro model (Last, Past, Fast, blast etc)

And *est for the 645 back/body (Biggest, Baddest, Maddest etc)

I am starting to suspect it is all pipe-dreams for this year though...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 February 2004 01:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Photokina : Big Surprise ?
 
 
 
 Sorry, it is late here, and trying not to sleep makes me 
 think about crazy things.
 
 Remember this :
 
 Photokina 2000 : MZ-S is announced as well as the MR -52
 
 Photokina 2002 : Optio 330 GS is announced (crisis time)
 
 Photokina 2004 : ??? Well, news lens DA , and, I really hope 
 a big big news (Digital back for 67 or 645 or baby ist D or 
 *ist D Pro ?)
 
 And you ???
 
 Just notice one thing :
 
 What the hell will be the name of next Pentax SLR/DSLR ???
 
 ^_^
 
 MZ or ZX something is easy, change number or letter
 
 but *ist ... use n like MZ5n or p like Z-1p 
 
 I give my opinion : add e
 
 because 
 
 PENTAX*ist e  = pentaxiste = french way to call a crazy man 
 like me ! (remember www.pentaxiste.org )
 
 
 ^_^
 
 Clover
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.pentaxiste.org
 
 
 Sorry for this post, I gonna take a pill for the night (not 
 the blue one of course !)
 
 



RE: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Brigham
Yeah, I have read that 'true' USB 2.0 is slightly faster than FW but
there seem to be a lot of 'bogus' USB 2.0 devices around which arent up
to full speed.  Also I have heard that USB requires a lot more processor
usage so if you are doing something on the PC while transferring files
the transfer slows down.  Apparently Firewire is much better in this
respect, and it wont be affected by your mouse/keyboard etc that might
be on the same usb bus either...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 February 2004 09:39
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Firewired...
 
 
 I bought a Lexar Firewire CF reader yesterday, and YES! it 
 was an impovement.
 
 From what I've heard the USB 2.0 is not as fast as firewire 
 in practical use
 
 DagT
 
  
  Fra: Dr. Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  I just got myself all Firewire'd in preparation for the 
 arrival of my 
  new *ist D. 100mb file transfers in 17.5 seconds...gotta love that!
  
  Using a Sandisk Ultra card reader and Sandisk Ultra II 
 512mb CF card. 
  Wonderfully quick! Although USB 2.0 is probably just as quick...if 
  only Pentax had used it!
  
  Cheers
  
  Shaun
  
  Dr. Shaun Canning
  Cultural Heritage Services
  Lawrence Way, Karratha,
  Western Australia, 6714
  Mob: 0414-967 644
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.heritageservices.com.au
  
  
  
  
  
 
 



Re: Special lenses for digital

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Feb 2004 at 11:36, John Forbes wrote:

 Have any digital slr users experienced the sensor-reflection phenomenon 
 referred to by Keppler?

 It's one of those things that smack very much of hype in order to get 
 consumers to buy new lenses, but at the same time it clearly could be true.

Hmmm, you may be right, I've not seen any problems however SMC is pretty good 
has been sued on all elements for many years. I can't see why such problems 
wouldn't have been visible when using slide films although any reflections may 
have been sufficiently diffused by the film emulsion as to make them less 
apparent. Keppler is usually believable but I'd still like to see some examples 
of this phenomenon. The only references to the problem that I can find seem to 
be at astro sites.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Firewired...

2004-02-24 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Dr. Shaun Canning a écrit:

Sounds like your motherboard only supported 1.1 Herb? Weird?

To use USB 2.0, you must have:
- motherboard or Pci card that support USB 2
- W*s XP plus SR1 or SR1a
- adequate driver


Re: Reala rated at 80

2004-02-24 Thread Boros Attila
A-CS Did you found Fuji Reala somewhere? If yes, can you tell me where and
at
A-CS what price?

I have found it on the web: FUJI Reala CS120 ISO 100 at 3.98 EUR
http://www.f64studio.ro/det.php?c=14pid=712

GRAYWOLFWell, it is not obvious. What is happening is that the current
speed indexes of
GRAYWOLFnegative film basically give you minimum exposure. Sometimes that
causes a loss
GRAYWOLFof shadow detail. So many expert photographers overexpose a bit to
prevent that.
GRAYWOLF That is so prevailent that many pro labs are set up for film
with a 1/3 stop
GRAYWOLFoverexposure as their normal print channel

PSI overexpose all color negative film by a bit or even a lot. Kodak
PSPortra 160NC and 160VC I rate at 100. All of the Fuji ISO 160 neg films
PSare shot at 100. Kodak Portra 400 VC and NC are shot at 300. Not as big
PSa bump on the last two but they seem to have more inherent pop.

This sounds interesting for capturing shadow detail. But how much shuld I
overexpose for that? As I understand 1/3 stop is just safe for any film, but
the effect varies. Does somebody know how this works for ordinary Fuji
Superia 100 (not Reala)? And more exactly how much is a lot for you? How
far can I go on the safe side?

SPIn case of negatives by underrating ISO you avoid problems with
SPunderexposure. Most negatives give enlarged grain effect when even
slightly
SPunderexposed.
This is scary... I should better follow Peter's advice and overexpose all my
negatives!

Attila



Re: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread Peter Loveday
Just to add another angle to the discussion; I found myself seriously
disappointed with the photoshop plugin. As far as I can see, the bayer
interpolation is based on dcraw's vng code, which is dodgey, at best.

Having said that, Pentax's raw convertor is possibly worse, but compared to
Canon or Nikon's tools, the photoshop plugin (and dcraw) are dreadful
quality.  It generates horrible edge aliasing and artifacting, not to
mention nasty colour interference in some cases.

As always, this is just an opinion.  YMMV.

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software



- Original Message - 
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: Photoshop CS RAW Converter


 Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!

 I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
 UK price of the thing!

  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 23 February 2004 22:29
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Photoshop CS RAW Converter
 
 
  Based on Herb and Paul's comments, I downloaded and installed
  the Photoshop
  CS update today.
 
  I am _really_ impressed.
 
  A while back I took a shot that was calculated to overwhelm
  the resolution
  of the *ist-D.  It was basically a wider-angle landscape shot
  with lots of
  branches, twigs, dried leaves, etc in it.  After processing
  it with the
  Pentax RAW converter, upsampling it to 12x18 in Genuine
  Fractals 2.0, and
  then sharpening, I found the print to be unacceptbale in terms of
  detail.  Trees looked plastic and the areas with lots of
  branches resolved
  into a sort of haze.  With the CS RAW converter I upsampled
  and sharpened
  the image as part of the RAW processing, and then just made
  some color
  adjustments.  It's considerably better than the first
  attempt, though I
  still would not consider it to be acceptable.  The 35mm film
  exposures
  (Velvia) taken at the same time are still better.
 
  The shot I used as a test was packed with tons of info - I
  really went out
  a picked a scene that I expected would need more resolution
  that the *ist-D
  could possibly deliver.  But other scenes that are not so
  demanding - like
  some lighthouse shots were there is just not much fine detail
  - have been
  fine with the *ist-D and Pentax converter, and look really
  outstanding with
  the CS converter.
 
  I'd rate Photoshop CS as a 'must have' utility, if you want
  to print larger
  images.
 
  - MCC
  -
 
  Mark Cassino Photography
 
  Kalamazoo, MI
 
 http://www.markcassino.com

 -







Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
 Fra: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559
 
 Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
 http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin




Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
 Fra: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559
 
 Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
 http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin




Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
 Fra: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559
 
 Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
 http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin




Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
 Fra: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559

Nice, but I think I'd prefer a bit softer and warmer lighting.  It seems a bit chilli 
on this screen

 Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
 http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133

Hey, I think I like this one better. I like the composition with the mixture of red 
and green in combination with the lines created by the peppers.  

...and here's mine:
http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=11568

:-)

DagT



RE: PAW

2004-02-24 Thread Bill Sawyer
Terrific, Ken. Did I see this shot in your show?

Site is well done, too.

-Original Message-
From:   Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   February 23, 2004 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:PAW

Shel, thanks for suggesting PAW. It got me off my duff and led me to open a
web  site.
So here's my Picture A Week - I promise to keep it to one a week.

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
taken @ White Sands, New Mexico.

Comments - good/ bad/indifferent

Kenneth Waller





Re: Interesting article: Largest lens ever!

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Whaley
This is truly an awesome sight! And site!
I could spend hours looking at the Hubble shots!
The Eagle nebula for instance. Fascinating!

Thanks for posting it.   -- keith whaley

Herb Chong wrote:
 
 http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2004/08/. the
 images are there from Hubble and confirmed by the Keck telescope in Hawaii.
 Hubble found it and Keck measured the distance.
 
 Herb...
 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Interesting article: Largest lens ever!
 
  Perhaps you'd like to explain what a 'gravitational' lens is Herb? Also
  isn't 'detection' differentiated from resolving it optically? Eitherway,
 off
  or not, I found the mere concept of using cosmic gases as optical elements
  interesting. Not being in the industry, the specifics don't really bug me.



Re: Uncle Herb's thoughts

2004-02-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
I have the TTL flash exposure problem also on my FA24-90mm Pentax lens,
isn't that lens already designed with digital in mind?
Are the people on the list also experiencing flash exposure problems
with the 18-35mm lens?


On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 11:00, Bob Rapp wrote:
 I saw this and thought about the difficulties with TTL flash and many other
 issues.
 
 http://www.photoreporter.com/2004/02-12/features/the_way_it_is.html
 
 Bob
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread dagt
Ops, I wonder what happened here...

Sorry!

DagT
 
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Dato: 2004/02/24 Tue PM 01:04:57 CET
 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot
 
  Fra: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued the following:
  
   http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2157559
  
  Here is my take on a similar chilli theme, less the accessories
  http://www.wildcherry.com.au/index.php?p=galleryphoto_id=133
  
  Kind regards
  Kevin
 
 
 



*ist D - What Version of PhotoShop?

2004-02-24 Thread Greg Lovern
What version of Photoshop would I need to work with *ist D images, and
whatever plugins etc. people are using in Photoshop to work with *ist D
images?

I think I still have Photoshop 4.0 somewhere that came with a scanner. I
hope I don't have to buy 8.0 -- I'd probably just go without instead. If
4.0 is too old, I hope to buy a used copy of whatever version I would need
on eBay.

Thanks,

Greg



Re: What is PAW

2004-02-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
What is PETNAX?
PAW is (one) Photo A Week.
Post your photo on the web and give the link to it on this list, and the
PDML members will give their comments.

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 01:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry to ask this, but, what is the meaning of PAW , is it the equivalent
 for PETNAX of the Silent wave or USM ???
 
 ^_^
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: *ist D - What Version of PhotoShop?

2004-02-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
The plugin supplied by Pentax which you can download from the USA Pentax
web site works with all Photoshop version beginning at version 5.0
The RAW plugin by Adobe works only on Photoshop CS (version 8). This one
is supposed to be of better quality then the one from Pentax.
Of course, if you are running linux, you can use dcraw to (batch) create
48 bit psd files from the pef files.

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 13:19, Greg Lovern wrote:
 What version of Photoshop would I need to work with *ist D images, and
 whatever plugins etc. people are using in Photoshop to work with *ist D
 images?
 
 I think I still have Photoshop 4.0 somewhere that came with a scanner. I
 hope I don't have to buy 8.0 -- I'd probably just go without instead. If
 4.0 is too old, I hope to buy a used copy of whatever version I would need
 on eBay.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Greg
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread John Mustarde
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:34:03 +1030, you wrote:

Just to add another angle to the discussion; I found myself seriously
disappointed with the photoshop plugin. As far as I can see, the bayer
interpolation is based on dcraw's vng code, which is dodgey, at best.

Having said that, Pentax's raw convertor is possibly worse, but compared to
Canon or Nikon's tools, the photoshop plugin (and dcraw) are dreadful
quality.  It generates horrible edge aliasing and artifacting, not to
mention nasty colour interference in some cases.

As always, this is just an opinion.  YMMV.

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software


Thank you for the opinion, Peter.  Do you have a comparison or two to
show?  I have a Nikon system in addition to Pentax so I may be able to
generate a few myself later this week, but I probably don't have the
expertise to know what to look for.

Do you know of any better tool than the plugin?

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread John Mustarde
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:43:04 -, you wrote:

Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!

I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
UK price of the thing!


Phew! The price of Photoshop CS is really out of sight.  

I started with a used but legal copy of PS 3.0 way back when, and paid
for upgrades 4.0, 5.0, free 5.5 I think, and 6.0.  

I figure I have paid Adobe about the cost of an MZ-S for Photoshop
over the past few years.  Now they want me to operate some OS newer
than my old standby Win98 just to be able to use CS.  What a hassle.

I for one am shopping for a less expensive alternative.  The idea of
paying Adobe through the nose again for another upgrade is starting to
tick me off.

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



RE: MZ6/ZXL/MZL LCD color back light

2004-02-24 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Mine here in Aus. is orange - very retro! lol...
tan.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 8:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MZ6/ZXL/MZL LCD color back light



Hello,

In France, the MZ6 has an orange back light color.
But I remember a gif where the LCD is blue.

http://www.clover.freesurf.fr/MZ6Tour.gif

What about the color in the US ?






Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Feb 2004 at 13:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice, but I think I'd prefer a bit softer and warmer lighting.  It seems a bit
 chilli on this screen

Believe it or not it was a grab shot,  the only thing I added was the 
reflector. I picked the chillies put them in a bowl and then decided there was 
a photo there. They were on my kitchen bench and lit by my kitchen lights, I 
didn't even move the bowl :-)

I'll try to be a little more manipulative next time (most are gone now)

 ...and here's mine:
 http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=11568

That's a nice shot. :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread Mark Cassino
At 11:43 AM 2/24/2004 +, you wrote:

Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!

I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
UK price of the thing!
Yeah - the digital is free mantra sounds a bit hollow as you punch in you 
charge card numbers into the Adobe site - but it's worth it!

- MCC
-
Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




Re: PAW's: Flower photos

2004-02-24 Thread Mark Cassino
Elegant shots, Mark.  The colors in the first one are great. I also like 
the dynamic of the second shot as well.  You might want to check out Harold 
Feinstein's  book 100 Flowers - your first shot reminds me much of the 
work in it.

- MCC

At 09:23 PM 2/22/2004 -0600, you wrote:
Hey Folks,

I was going through my negs and slides yesterday and scanned in a couple of
pics. Nothin' fancy, just a couple of flower photos to share with y'all.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2151760

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154642

Mark
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




PictureAlabama.com

2004-02-24 Thread Ed Tyler
Picture Alabama is a web site that is dedicated to the photographic
celebration  of those things that are uniquely Alabama.  The site includes
not only a photographic database that allows photographers to post their
images, it includes a forum for the discussion of photographic issues.   If
you have a question about taking pictures in Alabama, where to go, when to
go, where to stay, ask the question and get an answer from someone who
knows, an Alabamian.

There will be a major photo contest announced on this site later this year.
Check often for the latest information.

Ed





Re: PAW (... )

2004-02-24 Thread Steve Jolly
Beautiful - I particularly like the framing and symmetry of the two lamp-posts.

S

Quoting  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 OK, here's another one.
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2158144size=lg
 
 DagT
 
 





Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)

2004-02-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3662764632

His entire eBay history consists of 4 transactions. He was the *buyer*
in all 4. The *most expensive* of these was £1.00!

This is an obvious scam. You should alert ebay immediately.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: PAW: Too Much PAW

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/2/04, SHEL disgorged:

I've also noticed that some of the more tech oriented people
haven't participated in the PAW yet ... after all their talk
about how valuable the technical and high tech side of gear
and peripherals is to making a good photo, I haven't seen
any of those good, high-tech produced pics.  C'mon guys,
join the party, show us your stuff.

[snipped]

I haven't participated because I have a web site with galleries on it,
and the link is on every one of my emails. I could PAW a link once a week
but - and I'm not trying to be a party-pooper here - and with all due
respect - this is a Pentax discussion list, and there's a lot of list
traffic already. I see no point in cluttering up peoples' in-boxes with
my pics *that may not be shot using Pentax gear anyway*.

That said, I've got no right to talk - I'm as guilty as sin when it comes
to off-topic postings, so I'll just go flagellate myself.

To PAW or not to PAW ? Doesn't really bother me one way or the other. I
suppose on balance, taking into account that this list is a bit of an
anomaly WRT email lists (in that it's *more* that just an email list -
it's a community, a gathering, a bar - call it what you will), then I
would say that anything that encourages photography must be a positive thing.

It's all academic anyway - it's an unmoderated list and so there are no
rules. Post PAWs or not, every day or just Friday.

.02,


Cheers,
  Cotty
(off for some more flagellation)


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



RE: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Brigham
I just tried that, but ebay tells me my browser isnt accepting cookies so I cant sign 
in - despite the fact that I am already signed in!


 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 February 2004 14:53
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS 
 RAW Converter)
 
 
 Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3662764632

His entire eBay history consists of 4 transactions. He was the *buyer* in all 4. The 
*most expensive* of these was £1.00!

This is an obvious scam. You should alert ebay immediately.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




RE: PAW: portrait

2004-02-24 Thread Amita Guha
Thanks, Frank! Glad you like it. :)


 -Original Message-
 From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 
 Intriguing!!
 
 At first blush, it could be a family snapshot, but after a 
 second, one 
 realizes that there's way more going on here.
 
 It has a certain low brow feel to it, yet the composition 
 is amazing (I 
 love the way the two bodies play off each other, the dark 
 couch and white 
 wall, I could go on...), and the sharp subject and out of 
 focus background, 
 including the female figure tell us that this ain't no ordinary photo.
 
 I think it's outstanding.  Thanks, Amita.
 
 cheers,
 frank


 From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Here's my entry for the week:
 
 http://www.beyondthepath.com/photos/misc/nate1.jpg





Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And some of us have worked very hard to make the photographs
we present here.  So, bitch all you want about OT stuff, but
lay of the PAW and the posting of photographs.

Doug Brewer wrote:
 
 At 11:00 PM 2/23/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 I didn't see anyone complaining about the GFM threads, which
 had nothing to do with photography, but, rather, was about
 setting up a social situation amongst users.
 
 Hey now. Bitch all you want about the OT stuff, but lay off GFM. Some of us
 have worked very hard to turn the GFM NPW into a premier =photography=
 workshop. We have a good time, but we're very serious about the weekend.



Re: PAW: Too Much PAW

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi,

Why not make the URL to your site more noticeable by making
it, what do you call it, a dynamic link ... y'know, with the
http in front of it.

I agree about the community feel to this list.

shel

Cotty wrote:

 I haven't participated because I have a web site with galleries on it,
 and the link is on every one of my emails. 
  [...]
 this list is a bit of an
 anomaly WRT email lists (in that it's *more* that just an email list -
 it's a community, a gathering, a bar - call it what you will), then I
 would say that anything that encourages photography must be a positive thing.

 www.macads.co.uk/snaps



Re: Too Much PAW

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Too Much PAW!?!?!?!?!

Wow, this list is nuttier than I thought.  There are threads on whisky, 
sports cars and, in the past, an incredible number of goofy 
off-topics.  Now people are threatening to unsubscribe because there are 
too many threads about PICTURES!?!?!?!?!?

See you later, gs
http://www.georgesphotos.net

ROTFL. George, you are absolutely right. 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Re: Whisky (was Re: PAW: A good breakfast)

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/2/04, STAN's ULCER disgorged:

I did just read the User's Manual and found the following:
To help awaken the bouquet of Laphroaig whisky and bring 
out the aromatics, add a few drops of water. Hold your glass 
towards the light and observe how the water swirls in the 
golden liquid. Nose the glass deeply for a hint of...

So, a few drops of water recommended.

Dahhh. You're all a bunch of wusses. I take a glass, boil the rest of the
water out until there's a skanky crisp lining of essence of Scotch,
collect buckets of the stuff, mash it into shape with a pestle and
mortar, cram it into a syringe and inject straight into the jugular!



Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



PAW - Hat and Beard

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
Okay, in an effort to steer away from car threads and abstain from beer
threads, here's some dude with a hat:

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/reportage/images/pic4.html




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Re: Whisky (was Re: PAW: A good breakfast)

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/2/04, STAN THE POET disgorged:

Laphroaig anyone? In honor of this thread I have opened a 
bottle which I am sipping neat, of course. The only water in 
my Whisky are the tears I shed as this golden sunshine warms 
my frozen heart...

violins

Where's my hanky?  :-)


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I was referring to making once a week ON FRIDAY. i.e.,
limiting the posting to but one designated day per week, as
opposed to once a week on whatever day suits the poster.

Plus, the idea of picture a week was more a reference to the
Leica format than what we might do here, although I feel
that if everyone who wants to participate limits the photos
to one posting per week that would certainly be an
improvement over what we've had thus far: just a couple of
people putting up pictures at random intervals and
interspersed between numerous messages about the minutia of
digital cameras, fast cars and fast women, GFM, and other
such topics, all of which, imo, are just fine here, even
though some can become a bit wearing for those not
interested in such matters.

I suppose I liken your suggestion of posting pics on but one
day of the week similar to someone suggesting that digital
only be discussed on Tuesdays, and that we have a Whisky
Wednesday.  

Rob Studdert wrote:
 
 On 23 Feb 2004 at 20:00, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  So, some cranky minority wants to curtail the PAW, limit
  discussions resulting from it, reduce it to a once a week
  Friday event, because they can't handle it.
 
 Doh, make that...
 
 I read it as a picture-a-week, no?



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Brewer
At 10:21 AM 2/24/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

And some of us have worked very hard to make the photographs
we present here.  So, bitch all you want about OT stuff, but
lay of the PAW and the posting of photographs.
What the hell are you talking about? I haven't said a word about PAW or 
posting photographs. You smacked on something I care about, and I defended 
it. Get that chip off your shoulder.

I'll continue to do as I have done on this list since 1996, which is to 
post links to photos as I am moved to do so. I am long past the stage where 
I need constant reassurance that I am a capable photographer, and into that 
stage where I can occasionally offer a little encouragement to our 
younger photographers.

In the meantime, I will also view and consider the photos that are being 
presented, yours and others, regardless of the degree of difficulty. 



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Forgive if I misinterpreted your comments ...

Doug Brewer wrote:
 
 At 10:21 AM 2/24/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 And some of us have worked very hard to make the photographs
 we present here.  So, bitch all you want about OT stuff, but
 lay of the PAW and the posting of photographs.
 
 What the hell are you talking about? I haven't said a word about PAW or
 posting photographs. You smacked on something I care about, and I defended
 it. Get that chip off your shoulder.



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'm getting quite a bit of private mail, some it it rather
rude, on this topic.  I cannot believe that something as
simple as the suggestion of posting pics to the list could
generate such controversy and animosity.  There are other,
much nicer messages as well, so that sort of balances the
crap I've received.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Forgive if I misinterpreted your comments ...
 
 Doug Brewer wrote:
 
  At 10:21 AM 2/24/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  And some of us have worked very hard to make the photographs
  we present here.  So, bitch all you want about OT stuff, but
  lay of the PAW and the posting of photographs.
 
  What the hell are you talking about? I haven't said a word about PAW or
  posting photographs. You smacked on something I care about, and I defended
  it. Get that chip off your shoulder.



Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)

2004-02-24 Thread Chris Hamilton
Regardless of his/her feedback on eBay, there is exactly 0% probability that
his individual is selling a full, legal copy of Photoshop for £17.

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 09:53 AM
Subject: Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)


Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3662764632

His entire eBay history consists of 4 transactions. He was the *buyer*
in all 4. The *most expensive* of these was £1.00!

This is an obvious scam. You should alert ebay immediately.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Smaller flash for MX -- suggestions?

2004-02-24 Thread graywolf
The ancient Vivitar 252 is small, auto/manual, 2 AA's, works well. I carry one 
for those times when you just need some extra light. Usually go for $10 or so.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



I missed something

2004-02-24 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
What's a PAW?
Took me long enough to learn about blogs!

CRB



RE: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
Yes, there is too much mail, we now have over 400 per day coming in, that
might be ok for the people that don't work and have time to download and go
through all the posts. I work and in the past week just don't have the time
to go through my email. Just a download, quick look and delete all. With
this volume coming in, if you don't download most days then mail will be
bounced and you will get unsubscribed. 

Two solutions;

1 - go modern, get rid of the list and use a www forum and you can have
sections for whatever topic you choose and easy access from anywhere.

2 - mark email headings with OT, DIGITAL, PAW, GENERAL, LENS, BODY, FILM,
etc, so that you can filter incoming email into appropriate folders. Then if
you don't want to see OT or PAW you don't have to look just periodically
delete the contents of the folder.

HTH

Ziggy 




Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread Norm Baugher
160+mph in a Mitsubishi 3000 twin-turbo, Utah desert, public highway.
Norm
Mark Roberts wrote:

My personal public road speed record is about 140 mph in Interstate 390
in upstate NY. 
 




Re: PAW (... )

2004-02-24 Thread Dag T
Yes, it is in Oslo.  You can see the Royal Castle hidden in the fog.

Thanks!

DagT

På 24. feb. 2004 kl. 15.20 skrev Albano Garcia:

I like it. I like the pano crop.
Where it is? Norway?
Regards
Albano

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, here's another one.


http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2158144size=lg
DagT






OT - Dynamic links (was:Re: PAW: Too Much PAW)

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Why not make the URL to your site more noticeable by making
it, what do you call it, a dynamic link ... y'know, with the
http in front of it.

Will this make a difference? In my plain text email application
(Powermail 4.2), anything beginning with 'www' becomes highlighted in
blue and if clicked on, opens the web browser and goes to that site. Does
this mean that some email applications need the 'http://' preceding the
'www' ?

Sorry, I'm an infant WRT html...




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/2/04, A PDML SUBSCRIBER disgorged:

I guess I feel I have to look if it is a picture
and if it is WHISKEY
or SPORTS CARS I can delete without guilt.  :)

Sorry guys, but I am going to have to chime in here - AFAIK, *both* those
threads mentioned above carried 'OT' in the subject line. If you double-
click on a message with 'OT' in the subject line, you deserve everything
you end up reading! From time to time a spurt of OT threads happen, and
okay, it may not be ideal, but the spirit (d'oh) of the list is alive and
well, and long may it remain. Jeees, you should look at the EOS list
sometime - it is unbelievably dull. This list has a life, a great life -
but that life paradoxically enough depends ultimately on one button

DELETE


Cheers,
  Cotty

PS - I am wrong! The whisky thread is not marked OT - apologies. The beer
thread is. The sentiment still stands.


___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)

2004-02-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
His reserve might be at £500 , who knows?


On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 16:58, Chris Hamilton wrote:
 Regardless of his/her feedback on eBay, there is exactly 0% probability that
 his individual is selling a full, legal copy of Photoshop for £17.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 09:53 AM
 Subject: Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)
 
 
 Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3662764632
 
 His entire eBay history consists of 4 transactions. He was the *buyer*
 in all 4. The *most expensive* of these was £1.00!
 
 This is an obvious scam. You should alert ebay immediately.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Making fine prints in your digital darkroom

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
Just been sent this url, probably been posted before but worth bookmarking;

http://www.normankoren.com/printer_calibration.html#TestPrint


Lots of good stuff here.

Regards,

Ziggy




RE: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS RAW Converter)

2004-02-24 Thread Rob Brigham
Nope - he will only sell for £16.49 through Nochex, bypassing ebay.  Notice it is 
closed bidding and you cant buy it unless he authorises you as a bidder - which he 
wouldn't do when emailed.  He told me This is not an auction but a buy now listing 
for £16.49.

Still - even though it can only be measured by Douglas Adams ultimate improbability 
drive, there must be more than 0% probability...

 -Original Message-
 From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 February 2004 16:39
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS 
 RAW Converter)
 
 
 His reserve might be at £500 , who knows?
 
 
 On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 16:58, Chris Hamilton wrote:
  Regardless of his/her feedback on eBay, there is exactly 0% 
  probability that his individual is selling a full, legal copy of 
  Photoshop for £17.
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 09:53 AM
  Subject: Re: This look dodgy to anyone? (WAS: Photoshop CS 
 RAW Converter)
  
  
  Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3662764632
  
  His entire eBay history consists of 4 transactions. He was 
 the *buyer* 
  in all 4. The *most expensive* of these was £1.00!
  
  This is an obvious scam. You should alert ebay immediately.
 -- 
 Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 



Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread graywolf
This thing goes back long before that, to the early detroit super cars (late 
fifties) at least. Only it was a $20 back then (anyone else old enough to 
remember when $20 was enough to take your gal out for a hot date?).

A guy layed that one on my in bragging about his 58 Olds (J-5?) back around 1961 
when I was in the Air Force. I took him up on the bet (deal was if I could not 
get his $20 off the dash, I gave him one of mine). Me and 3 of my buddies got 
drunk off of his $20. Might have had a bit of a problem there if he had been a 
better driver and could have kept the acceration constant, but probably not that 
Olds couldn't actually pull a g. Nothing but a dragster could back then because 
road tires just didn't have the stiction needed.

He had gotten the idea, I believe from an article in one of the car magazines. 
Which goes to show you should always check out these stories for yourself before 
putting your money on the line (grin).

--

Cotty wrote:

On 23/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:


Cotty blurted out -- Did you try the 100 dollar bill on the windscreen
trick?
I have some ideas about this but what did you have in mind?


I seem to recall a TV motoring program ('The Car's The Star, Quentin
Wilson) here in England featuring the Cobra and if I'm not mistaken (it
was some time ago), the presenter recounted a tale about Carol Shelby (?)
placing a hundred dollar bill on the dash, and telling the bewildered
occupant of the passenger seat that once they accelerated off, if they
could reach the bill, they could have it.
Am I right in thinking zero to one hundred mph and back to a stop again
in ten seconds? Fearsome.


Cheers,
  Cotty
___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: Photographer a Week

2004-02-24 Thread Norm Baugher
Ok Shel, I'll bitebut I like the idea of lesser know 
photographers. Here's a good one that I like, you might know him:
http://toto.lib.unca.edu/exhibits/blowers/motherjones/andr%C3%A9_cypriano.html
There's a link to his homepage at the bottom.
Norm

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

One of the things that's helped me learn about photography,
and given me great pleasure, is looking at the work of other
photographers. snip
 




Re: OT - Dynamic links

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That seems to be the case.  In both my email programs the
http is needed to make the link active.  But, more than
that, it shows up in a different color and is less likely to
be overlooked amongst all the other text in the message.  I
never notice the link to your site until you mentioned it.

I didn't know that without the http the link could be active

Cotty wrote:
 
 On 24/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
 
 Why not make the URL to your site more noticeable by making
 it, what do you call it, a dynamic link ... y'know, with the
 http in front of it.
 
 Will this make a difference? In my plain text email application
 (Powermail 4.2), anything beginning with 'www' becomes highlighted in
 blue and if clicked on, opens the web browser and goes to that site. Does
 this mean that some email applications need the 'http://' preceding the
 'www' ?
 
 Sorry, I'm an infant WRT html...
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 ___/\__
 ||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
 ||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
 _
 Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



Digital Links

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
More useful links;

Digital Pentax


http://www.pentaxuser.co.uk/forum/forum2.htmlsid=53a603648a70c0df64bac5240d
6e4fa7


Digital Photography FAQ

http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.html#sharpening


USE ICC PROFILES FOR AN EPSON PRINTER


http://www.photoexpert.co.uk/UK/EXPERTISE/how_to_icc_page1.htm


Digital Imaging Resources for Photographers by Photographers


http://www.drycreekphoto.com/

The Histogram Exposed

 
http://www.bayphoto.com/Instructions/Histogram.htm

Adobe forums, you can login as guest


http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@




Re: PAW: Hot Hot Hot

2004-02-24 Thread Norm Baugher
Chrisitian just stold my post! Ditto.
Norm
Christian wrote:

Nice colors, but the background is tilted slightly and makes me seasick
;-)
 




Re: Photographer a Week

2004-02-24 Thread Andre Langevin
Maybe, if others see fit, they can tell us about their
favorite photographer(s) and post a URL or information about
them.  Just a thought.
shel
Great idea!

Rather than mention all the usual suspects it might be interesting to
post something about lesser-known photographers. One of my favourites
is an Italian photographer called Dario Mitidieri:
http://www.mitidieri.com/
I agree but at the same time I think some of the best photographers 
are unknown to many of us.  For the experienced ones, it's always 
refreshing to go back to classics.

I liked Mitidieri photos, although I don't think he is in the same 
league than Eugene Richards.  His photo of the young boy under 
Lenine's statue (#10 in War Games) is arranged.

I also liked Ravilious stuff.

Thanks, Bob.

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/A/arbus/arbus.html
Albano

Great place to begin for many photographers.  Arbus stuff is overwhelming...

The name of the photographer as a subject header?

Andre



Re: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John,

I know the feeling - so far, I have resisted buying it.  You should
really take a look at Picture Window Pro (http://www.dl-c.com)

Here is the site of an advocate:
http://www.normankoren.com/

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 4:27:24 AM, you wrote:

JM On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:43:04 -, you wrote:

Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!

I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
UK price of the thing!


JM Phew! The price of Photoshop CS is really out of sight.  

JM I started with a used but legal copy of PS 3.0 way back when, and paid
JM for upgrades 4.0, 5.0, free 5.5 I think, and 6.0.  

JM I figure I have paid Adobe about the cost of an MZ-S for Photoshop
JM over the past few years.  Now they want me to operate some OS newer
JM than my old standby Win98 just to be able to use CS.  What a hassle.

JM I for one am shopping for a less expensive alternative.  The idea of
JM paying Adobe through the nose again for another upgrade is starting to
JM tick me off.

JM --
JM John Mustarde
JM www.photolin.com





Re: Photographer a Week

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Bob's suggestion of posting info about lesser known
photogs is, of course, a good one.  However, not everyone
knows about the better known photogs ... someone on the
Leica list had, for example, never heard of Salgado or
Nachtwey.  Still, putting forth the names and perhaps urls
of any photog is a Good Thing.

A favorite of mine is Chih Hsin Yang.  I saw some of his
work in a Taiwanese  publication, Photographers
International (a beautiful magazine, almost booklike in its
quality) but have not been able to find any of his work on
the net.  He was, it seems, unknown even in his own
country.  The photos published in the magazine in June,
1999, were all about forty years old and the first time any
of the work had been published.

If anyone knows more about this photographer, please tell
us.

shel

Andre Langevin wrote:
 
 Maybe, if others see fit, they can tell us about their
 favorite photographer(s) and post a URL or information about
 them.  Just a thought.
 
 shel
 
 Great idea!
 
 Rather than mention all the usual suspects it might be interesting to
 post something about lesser-known photographers. One of my favourites
 is an Italian photographer called Dario Mitidieri:
 http://www.mitidieri.com/
 
 I agree but at the same time I think some of the best photographers
 are unknown to many of us.  For the experienced ones, it's always
 refreshing to go back to classics.



Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
My speed record was 1100km/hour in a Boeing 747-400.

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 17:27, Norm Baugher wrote:
 160+mph in a Mitsubishi 3000 twin-turbo, Utah desert, public highway.
 Norm
 
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 My personal public road speed record is about 140 mph in Interstate 390
 in upstate NY. 
   
 
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Photographer a Week

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://www.photointl.com.tw/english/p044/index.htm

Ahhh ... found some of Chih Hsin Yang's work ... the url to
the magazine had changed.

http://www.photointl.com.tw/



 A favorite of mine is Chih Hsin Yang.  I saw some of his
 work in a Taiwanese  publication, Photographers
 International (a beautiful magazine, almost booklike in its
 quality) but have not been able to find any of his work on
 the net.  He was, it seems, unknown even in his own
 country.  The photos published in the magazine in June,
 1999, were all about forty years old and the first time any
 of the work had been published.



RE: Photographer a Week

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
Shel,

Have you seen this;

http://www.taiwaninfo.org/english/newsletter/200301nl/1.htm


Regards,

Ziggy

 

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 February 2004 17:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photographer a Week

Bob's suggestion of posting info about lesser known
photogs is, of course, a good one.  However, not everyone knows about the
better known photogs ... someone on the Leica list had, for example, never
heard of Salgado or Nachtwey.  Still, putting forth the names and perhaps
urls of any photog is a Good Thing.

A favorite of mine is Chih Hsin Yang.  I saw some of his work in a Taiwanese
publication, Photographers International (a beautiful magazine, almost
booklike in its
quality) but have not been able to find any of his work on the net.  He was,
it seems, unknown even in his own country.  The photos published in the
magazine in June, 1999, were all about forty years old and the first time
any of the work had been published.

If anyone knows more about this photographer, please tell us.

shel

Andre Langevin wrote:
 
 Maybe, if others see fit, they can tell us about their favorite 
 photographer(s) and post a URL or information about them.  Just a 
 thought.
 
 shel
 
 Great idea!
 
 Rather than mention all the usual suspects it might be interesting to 
 post something about lesser-known photographers. One of my favourites 
 is an Italian photographer called Dario Mitidieri:
 http://www.mitidieri.com/
 
 I agree but at the same time I think some of the best photographers 
 are unknown to many of us.  For the experienced ones, it's always 
 refreshing to go back to classics.




Re: PAW: Too Much PAW

2004-02-24 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 I've also noticed that some of the more tech oriented people
 haven't participated in the PAW yet ... after all their talk
 about how valuable the technical and high tech side of gear
 and peripherals is to making a good photo, I haven't seen
 any of those good, high-tech produced pics.  C'mon guys,
 join the party, show us your stuff.

I haven't posted because I really haven't shot much with the *ist D
yet.  I tend to shoot the most while I'm hiking or travelling and I
haven't done either since purchasing it.

Everything else that I've shot in the last 3 years has been on a
Sony camera, so I didn't think that this would be appropriate
for PAW.

Here is a picture from a Sony that I like:
http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/pdx-japanese-garden/reduced/DSC00491.JPG

I like this one, but wish I could go back and recompose it.  I like
the boat in the water, but find the bush to the right a little
distracting.
http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/east-coast/reduced/DSC01233.JPG

A few decent *ist D shots:
http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/hiking/snow-lake-10-5-03/

I wish I had a longer lens with me for IMGP1391.JPG
I'm not crazy about the framing on IMGP1405.JPG, but it is the
best of the group.

Shel, I admire your street photography.  I really like good street
photography, but I'm pretty lousy at it myself.  I feel very self
concious when taking photographs of others and that makes it difficult
to concentrate on taking good photographs.

alex



RE: How many people do we have on this list

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
Nice and active, lets hope we can go over 1000..

The more the merrier.

Regards,

Ziggy 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 February 2004 18:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How many people do we have on this list

~600

Bill

- Original Message -
From: zoomshot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: How many people do we have on this list


 
 Been a long time since this was asked, so how many?
 
 Regards,
 
 Ziggy
 
 
 




RE: How many people do we have on this list

2004-02-24 Thread zoomshot
This isn't a state secret. Or is it?

Would just like to know about how many other souls are in this community as
I'm sure would everybody else. 

Regards,

Ziggy


 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 February 2004 18:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How many people do we have on this list

At 01:27 PM 2/24/04, throwing caution to the wind, zoomshot wrote:


Been a long time since this was asked, so how many?

Regards,

Ziggy


Why? 




Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread graywolf
A little tact would be good here, Shel. This is Doug's list. You we can do 
without, him we can not.

Sometimes OT gets a little out of hand, but it dies down. You have introduced 
this PAW thing which mostly is good. I do think however that the one on the 
Leica list you modeled it after limits photos to those taken with Leica 
equipment. Also they seem to limit it to one photo a week person. You are trying 
to open this list to anything, anywhere, anytime, no limits. And then snarling 
at the guy who is paying for this list out of his own pocket.

Like I said, PAW seems like a great idea. But maybe we should keep it to Pentax 
equipment, and one shot per person per week on this list. Furthermore, there are 
all kinds of sites on the web where you can post photos to be commented on and 
no one has ever objected to folks mentioning here that they had a photo on one 
they would like comments about.

As for the gearheads here that you so disparage, this is a Pentax list not a 
general photography list despite the fact it is very open and interesting. You 
seem to want to highjack the list for your own purposes. We like you, Shel, but 
maybe you are going a bit too far here.

--

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
And some of us have worked very hard to make the photographs
we present here.  So, bitch all you want about OT stuff, but
lay of the PAW and the posting of photographs.
Doug Brewer wrote:

At 11:00 PM 2/23/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


I didn't see anyone complaining about the GFM threads, which
had nothing to do with photography, but, rather, was about
setting up a social situation amongst users.
Hey now. Bitch all you want about the OT stuff, but lay off GFM. Some of us
have worked very hard to turn the GFM NPW into a premier =photography=
workshop. We have a good time, but we're very serious about the weekend.



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: Photoshop CS RAW Converter

2004-02-24 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Mark Cassino wrote:
 
 At 11:43 AM 2/24/2004 +, you wrote:
 
 Sshhh Mark - or you will be costing me a lot of money!
 
 I am desparately stopping myself downloading the trial CS because of the
 UK price of the thing!
 
 Yeah - the digital is free mantra sounds a bit hollow as you punch in you
 charge card numbers into the Adobe site - but it's worth it!

I don't think so.  There is a country where the enforcers of copyright
have come to an agreement with pirates.  In exchange for agreeing to
hand over some of the income, the copies are now legitimate.  Proper
serials numbers, contact addresses and emails on the packets.  My copy
of PS7? £4.  The exchange rate is shifting too fast for me to give a
dollar figure.

I understand there are development costs but production of software is a
virtually no-cost operation.  If the retail price was more reasonable,
many more people would buy it and the piracy market would collapse.  As
the producers have decided to make a deal where I buy mine, I will
continue to combine holidays with software purchases.

mike



Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars

2004-02-24 Thread Bob Blakely
My experience with small, English sports cars has taught me that the English
are born tinkerers. Both my Austin Healey 3000 and (earlier) my MG Midget
required constant tinkering with the carbs, throttle assembly, timing etc.
This was also true of my friend's Jag XKE. That the English are born
tinkerers and love it can be the only explanation.

Regards,
Bob...

They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease
was already taken.
  - Anonymous, presumed dead.



Re: 24-50s

2004-02-24 Thread Andre Langevin
 From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
While the M 24-50 has a mediocre reputation,

 the A 24-50 was a new
design (same design was used for the F 24-50) and I have one.

I didn't know there was an M24-50!  Seems odd that there would be
both a 24-35 and a 24-50 in the same series.  In general that has
not been a very popular zoom range.
Pentax had to redesign the M24-50 because of a big flare problem with 
it.  This lens could pick up the color of the surroundings, which is 
a lesser known flare related problem.  Only mention I have found of 
this is in the reference book Ilford Manual of Photography.  Second 
sentence is the rare one.

In colour photography, flare is likely to lead to a desaturation of 
colours, since flare light consists of a mixture of light from all 
parts of the scene, which usually approximate to white light.  It may 
also lead to colour casts, sometimes resulting from objects outside 
the scene photographed.

With sun in my back, I took a photo of white snow, surrounded by 
green spruces.  Few spruces were in the scene.  The SMC Takumar 
28/3.5 at f8 gave white snow.  The M24-50 at 28mm and f8, gave green 
snow.  Yikes!

I sold mine. The M24-50 would have a value as a collector's piece 
though.  Of even more value would be the elusive set-screw lens shade 
for the lens.

I don't know if anybody has ever TRIED to make a really good 24-50 zoom.
Pros don't seem to have used such a thing.  Nikon made a 25-50 f/4.0 that
was quite well regarded, and also as big as you'd expect a good quality
24-50 f/4.0 to be.  It wasn't a big success financially.
Minolta also made one, rather well regarded for a zoom.  I think it 
went through AF times like Pentax F24-50.

Andre



Re: Reala rated at 80

2004-02-24 Thread graywolf
The old (pre 1959) indexes were about 1 stop lower, though some pro films were 
only raised 2/3 stops. On that basis I would say you will always be safe with a 
1 stop over-exposure on amateur films, and a 2/3 stop over-exposure on pro 
films. Beyond that I would suggest careful experimentation to see if it works 
for you. Also realise you will need to redo those experiments if you change 
labs. Very seldom though is there any reason to go more than 1/2 stop, except 
for needed exposure compensation.

--

Boros Attila wrote:
This sounds interesting for capturing shadow detail. But how much shuld I
overexpose for that? As I understand 1/3 stop is just safe for any film, but
the effect varies. Does somebody know how this works for ordinary Fuji
Superia 100 (not Reala)? And more exactly how much is a lot for you? How
far can I go on the safe side?
SPIn case of negatives by underrating ISO you avoid problems with
SPunderexposure. Most negatives give enlarged grain effect when even
slightly
SPunderexposed.
This is scary... I should better follow Peter's advice and overexpose all my
negatives!
Attila


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Hijack!

2004-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Gee, Tom, you got me.  I, and my clandestine band of
pirates, cutthroats, and thieves have been plotting to
hijack the list for our own nefarious ends.  Our intention
has been to plunder the list for its treasures, liberate the
secret cache of NIB manual gear hidden deep in the archives,
release the billions of *istD designated pixels from their
subterranean vault thereby, bringing on the demise of
digital imaging, and deface all the PUG portraits by drawing
moustaches on them.

I apologized to Doug and the list for my misunderstanding of
Doug's comment, but I guess that's not good enough.  This
afternoon I shall go to confession, and afterwards to the OT
Bar and Auto Repair Emporium and reflect upon my miserable
behavior by downing several triple Laphroaigs with a Quaker
State 10W-30 chaser. 

Ciao, bambino



Re: PAW - Hat and Beard

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/2/04, NORM disgorged:

Self-portrait Cotty? Interesting shot, what's that on the bottom right 
of the frame?
Norm

Cotty wrote:

Okay, in an effort to steer away from car threads and abstain from beer
threads, here's some dude with a hat:

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/reportage/images/pic4.html

It's a car engine heavily illuminated - the shot was grabbed at the 2002
UK Motor Show at the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham. Only time
for 2 frames before the chap moved off. I kept the guy behind in the drop
as it would have been a bit tight if he'd gone, and I don't do Digital
Removal (tm) . Keeps it busy.

Actually I think it's John Francis g




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |   People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads http://www.macads.co.uk



Re: PAW - Hat and Beard

2004-02-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 Okay, in an effort to steer away from car threads and abstain from beer
 threads, here's some dude with a hat:
 
 http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/reportage/images/pic4.html
 

My goodness! It's Gandalf!! How cool!!!

(with some awfully distracting trash-bag-lookin thing in the lower right 
corner -- what's that really?)

Good point Eleanor, now that you mention it, it is very distracting,
isn't it. I't a heavily illuminated car engine. I had no choice but to
leave it in as i wanted the handkerchief in the pocket to stay. I suppose
a closer crop would lose it but then one would wonder what the
reflections were in the glasses. Oh fiddlesticks. I should have left it
full frame!

Thanks




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   |   People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads http://www.macads.co.uk



UNSUBSCRIBE

2004-02-24 Thread weetreefan

 --
 
 Content-Type: text/plain
 
 pentax-discuss-d Digest   Volume 04 : Issue 352
 
 Today's Topics:
   Re: A busy little fairygirl   [ Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: *ist D software update[ Frits =?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=FCthrich?=  ]
   Re: *istD for print photo [ Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Mark's PAW[ Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Support for big glass [ Don Herring [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   OT - I WILL GET BROADBAND![ Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: PAW: A good breakfast [ Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: A busy little fairygirl   [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: A busy little fairygirl   [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: bokeh [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: A busy little fairygirl   [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: *ISTD autofocus failing before b  [ Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: A busy little fairygirl   [ John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Mark's PAW[ Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Pentax or Burst ? [ Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars   [ Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: PAW frozen lake   [ Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   The lens remains the same?[ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: WAY OT - English Sport Cars   [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
   Re: Support for big glass [ Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
 
 --
 
 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:12:35 -0500
 From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: A busy little fairygirl
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain;
   charset=iso-8859-1
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
 b) the viewfinder shows about 95% of what is being captured filling in the
 entire area. that's why it looks closer. your 50mm lens has the same FOV as
 as 75mm lens on a 35mm film body.
 
 c) if you had shot RAW, you could have set white balance after the fact when
 converting from RAW to TIFF/Photoshop. you might not be able to organize
 your work with IrfanView if it doesn't support PEF files. TIFF files aren't
 worth using because they are large and have already been reduced to
 8-bit/channel mode. if you do little manipulation of your images, then RAW
 isn't an advantage. if you may need to do some extensive color adjustment,
 especially if you don't know which ones you might do ahead of time, then RAW
 is your best bet. i don't think it is worth using 512M memory cards on the
 *istD in RAW mode. 1G cards are the minimum useful. don't bother with the
 Pentax software since you have Photoshop CS. use the CS File Browser
 instead.
 
 Herb...
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:20 PM
 Subject: A busy little fairygirl
 
 
  b) In regards to the focal length multiplication thingy - it appears to me
  that when I look through a 50mm lens with the *istD, the subject does
 indeed
  look closer than if I look through the same lens on my MZ-6.  Ryan seems
 to
  think that this shouldn't be the case and that it should simply be that it
  is a cropped version of what I see in the MZ-6 - I know that there has
 been
  discussions about this in the past, but I didn't see them, so I was just
  wondering what the general concensus of this is?
 
  c) I haven't shot in RAW as yet, as I have only just got the plug-in set
 up
  etc (and I haven't even bothered to install the Photo Lab software, I'd
  prefer to just stick with PS and Irfanview).  BUT, I noticed that the
 files
  are HUGMUNGO (and TIFFS are even bigger) and with 512mb cards I can only
 fit
  30 or so images on the card!!  I was wanting to stay with 512mb cards just
  to get around the possibility of losing too many images should a card
 fail,
  but with only 30 or so images per card - this is totally impractical when
  shooting weddings etc.  Just wondering what other wedding photographers
 are
  using?  I saw that yesterday someone began to discuss this, claiming that
  most Pros shoot with JPEGs at their lowest 

Re: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread John Forbes
I wonder if the different personalities of this list and the EOS list 
have to do with the fact that nowadays you have to be a bit of a rebel, or 
perhaps just a curmudgeon, to stick to Pentax while the sheep are flocking 
to Canon and Nikon.

John

Who has noticed that the most frequent posts are now from people 
complaining about too many posts.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:31:50 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 24/2/04, A PDML SUBSCRIBER disgorged:

I guess I feel I have to look if it is a picture
and if it is WHISKEY
or SPORTS CARS I can delete without guilt.  :)
Sorry guys, but I am going to have to chime in here - AFAIK, *both* those
threads mentioned above carried 'OT' in the subject line. If you double-
click on a message with 'OT' in the subject line, you deserve everything
you end up reading! From time to time a spurt of OT threads happen, and
okay, it may not be ideal, but the spirit (d'oh) of the list is alive and
well, and long may it remain. Jeees, you should look at the EOS list
sometime - it is unbelievably dull. This list has a life, a great life -
but that life paradoxically enough depends ultimately on one button
DELETE

Cheers,
  Cotty
PS - I am wrong! The whisky thread is not marked OT - apologies. The beer
thread is. The sentiment still stands.
___/\__
||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_
Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk



--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/


Re: London PubDML (was Re: Whisky)

2004-02-24 Thread Jostein

Whahey,
If I can make it, count me in too.

It's probably too short notice for anyone, but I'll be in London from 8th to 9th
of March. The evening is off...:-)

Jostein

Quoting Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Count me in!
 I know a quaint little pub where they mainly  sell Peter's Ales.
 Nick
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 23/02/04 22:12:14
   Subject: Re: Whisky (was Re: PAW: A good breakfast)
  
 I'll drink to that. Mini PDML in a London Pub? Any other partakers?
 
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 
 ___/\__
 ||   (O)   |  People, Places, Pastiche
 ||=|  www.macads.co.uk/snaps
 _
 Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
 
 
 





This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.



RE: Too much mail

2004-02-24 Thread David Miers
You missed a couple didn't you... :) there is always the digest version and
reading the posts online sorted already by subject.  This list is plain text
only, thus it doesn't use much bandwidth.  I'm on dialup and I don't have
any problems.  Lots of folks unsubscribe temporarily when their going to be
gone for a bit.  There's filters any which way you want it, 2 clicks and I
can sort and delete a whole subject all at the same time.  I really think
all need to lighten up and go read the instructions on how to fully get the
most out of their email browser.

I for one enjoy the humor and comradery that exist on this list often in OT
posts.  This is a very active list and that's a good thing!  I look forward
to sitting down relaxing for bit checking out what's going on in PDML.
Quiet boring lists don't get it either.  Come on folks, lets fence this bad
humored disgruntled attitude and be decent and considerate of everyone's
opinions and ideas.  If this isn't your thing, maybe you shouldn't be here.
If you have forgotten how to unsubscribe or switch to digest the directions
are on the web site.  http://www.pdml.net/dbrewer/p2.html?

I feel bad for Shel about the nasty emails he is now getting.  If you feel
you need to flame someone, you should be brave enough to do it in public.
If you can't say it in public it probably shouldn't be said.  If I were
Shel, I would strongly be tempted to consider forwarding these nastys to the
list so their true colors would be shown to all.  Although this might be bad
overall for the list and a kill file will take care of them permanently.

Dave

Two solutions;

1 - go modern, get rid of the list and use a www forum and you can have
sections for whatever topic you choose and easy access from anywhere.

2 - mark email headings with OT, DIGITAL, PAW, GENERAL, LENS, BODY, FILM,
etc, so that you can filter incoming email into appropriate folders. Then if
you don't want to see OT or PAW you don't have to look just periodically
delete the contents of the folder.

HTH

Ziggy




Watch out everybody

2004-02-24 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
It's the attack of the killer complete-digest response!

CRB

--
--
Collin Brendemuehl

void C( JobAvailability )
char JobAvailability[30];
{
C( program run );
C( shop stop C );;
C( programmer doing Notes/Domino. );
}

--



  1   2   3   >