Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.

[Ryan Lee]

I swear I'm going to be checking the tradingpost online every day first
thing in the morning from now!

Quokka? lol!

Cheers,
Ryan

PS. Where in WA are ya?


- Original Message - 
From: "Nenad Djurdjevic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out.


> Ryan Lee wrote:
>
> > "Pentax Mdl 1LX, 35mm SLR black body with genuine Pentax 1.7mm lens, as
> new
> > $150ono. (03) 59662978 Warburton."
> >
>
http://www.tradingpost.com.au/KeywordChecker.asp?state=VIC&publication=VIC&s
> Msg=keywordsearch
>
> > That's in Aussie dollars as well. We all know what an "ILX" is, don't
we.
> > And 'as new'.
>
> > D*MNIT.
>
>
> I know exactly how you feel.  A while ago I saw an advert in the "Quokka"
a
> West Australian Trading Post type newspaper for a K2-DMD with motordrive
and
> battery grip in excellent cond for $150 Aussie dollars.  The paper had
been
> out for a few days when I finally had the opportunity to browse through it
> and even as I phoned the number I knew I was too late.  Of course it was
> gone and the seller told me that he could have sold it ten times over and
> that he must have had it in for too cheap.
>
> RRG
>
>

PAW: just a flower shot

[Boros Attila]

http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/album/view.php?i=6

This is also from the botanical garden. Perhaps someone who knows
flowers better than me could confirm if it is really a Hibiscus as I
think, or something else.

Attila

Re: Kodak closes manufacturing plant and wholesale photo production lab in Oz

[Boros Attila]

PL> And so it continues

PL> http://au.news.yahoo.com/040916/2/qt1d.html
Very sad news;( Anyone knows how Fuji is doing?

Attila

Re: PAW - "Nazgul"

[David Mann]

On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:26 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

As it stands, it comes across as a snapshot of a place
visited.
That's pretty much all it was meant to be.  As you said, the sky was 
all wrong.  Unfortunately the weather was pretty nasty the entire week.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Boros Attila]

Hello frank,

Thursday, September 16, 2004, 2:39:01 AM, you wrote:

ft> I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first
ft> attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything
ft> else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well. 
ft> Better get one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books at the
ft> library...
You won't get much out of those, they are not written for
photographers. I asked for books not long ago on the list, and got
some very good suggestions (look back in the archives).

ft> Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I
ft> thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...):

ft> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585
Very cute indeed, and the framing is very pleasing. I would crop just
a little bit from the bottom.

Attila

Re: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot....

[Peter J. Alling]

That's a very cool shot.
Fred Widall wrote:
This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's
toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image.
Hope you like it.
http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html
--
Fred Widall,  PeopleSoft Developer,
Applications Technology, Information Systems & Technology Dept,
University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1.
Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
--
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Peter J. Alling]

Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some 
quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility.

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote:
 

Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that...
No disrespect meant, Rob.
   

You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it 
wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on 
most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film 
body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. 
There is no more going on around the mount area than on any previous K mount 
bodies. The interface to the electronic system would have been a doddle and so 
would the software integration. Lets face they though it enough of a problem 
for the punters to implement the "green button" kludge after the fact . I bet 
that cause some debate and consternation in house, particularly in marketing 
(as they had essentially won to that point). My speculation only of course but 
I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re[2]: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[Boros Attila]

Hello Cotty,

Thursday, September 16, 2004, 1:27:53 AM, you wrote:

C> Okay, I'll bite

C> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html
LOL! Seriously Cotty, you should start your own magazine sooner or
later

Attila

Kodak closes manufacturing plant and wholesale photo production lab in Oz

[Peter Loveday]

And so it continues
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040916/2/qt1d.html
Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Peter J. Alling]

Paul, I have tried it, I know exactly how easy it is to use, (and in 
many circumstances it is more than adequate), but it still pisses me off 
that the Camera was purposefully pprevented from fully using the K/M 
lenses.  I understand exactly how John feels.  It is the main reason 
that I don't actually own an *ist-d right now. 

Paul Stenquist wrote:
Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because 
you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've 
found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be
easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual
mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras
offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime
continously,
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you
really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't
understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with
constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or
felt inconvenienced.

As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is
much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for which
these lenses were originally intended.
Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out
and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic.



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers

[Boros Attila]

JB> On my way home from work, I drove by the local Yact Club, when the weather
JB> suddenly changed to rain.
JB> I came across these wind surfers:
JB> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7576484.html

Very good shot! I much like the rainbow:)

Attila

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Peter J. Alling]

If Espon and Chinon(Yoightlander), built a classic K mount digital body 
based on their Leica digital with
the Bessaflex prism, (probably not as difficult as it might sound), I 
would bet Pentax would change their mind
fairly quickly.

Jim Apilado wrote:
I recently had to replace my useable cell phone because a replacement
battery couldn't be found.  I mentioned "Planned Obsolescence" to the clerk.
She just gave me that deer-in-the-headlight stare.  She had never heard of
P.O.
A Pentax rep told me early this year that Pentax would never make a digital
slr that would be fully compatible with early K/M lenses.  It was upsettings
to hear that news. 

Jim a.

 

From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:22 -0400
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:20 -0400
NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
can do.
Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
these features it would be one thing but nothing was
gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
practice.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
   

The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.
Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
technical reason for doing so. Big difference.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
Dude,
Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.
For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!
--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is
acceptable?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed
automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the
button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a
problem or felt
inconvenienced.
   

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and
 

Aperure Priority AE, -ON
   

THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
 

JCO
   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
 

works fine with K and
   

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
 

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
   

could get any worse.
   

It should get better, not worse. Not fully
   

supporting the "K" mount
   

is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
   

and M lenses that are
   

being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
   

technical reasons. But this
   

is old argument JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff
   

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make
   

final judgments, is
   

there anything to suggest that the support won't
   

be as good?
   

Shel
   

Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Peter J. Alling]

Well, no it really doesn't have "The Knarf Look", it's way to sharp. 

Caveman wrote:
Hey, it has "The Knarf Look" ! So it's not the camera, it's the 
photographer ! ;-)

Nice capture, Frank. Wish you success with Photoshop, if you're 
adventurous, you'll be able to do some really cool things.



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO headers/ Email subjects

[Graywolf]

It is the colon. Many e-mail clients consider anything with a colon to 
be re: (thus they don't have to sort through 110 different languages). I 
metioned it in the FAQ, if folks used PESO-- instead of PESO: you would 
not have that problem. Also as far as the filter software is concerned 
you can put --PESO-- any place in the subject line, it does not need to 
be at the beginning.

--
Ryan Lee wrote:
Something strange, which someone might have an answer to- Outlook Express 6
seems to think PESO is another word for 're:' or something, because when I
click reply, it removes PESO: from the subject line to replace it with
're:'.. Anyone know the fix?
Regards,
Ryan

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

PESO headers/ Email subjects

[Ryan Lee]

Something strange, which someone might have an answer to- Outlook Express 6
seems to think PESO is another word for 're:' or something, because when I
click reply, it removes PESO: from the subject line to replace it with
're:'.. Anyone know the fix?

Regards,
Ryan

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Keith Whaley]

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 15 Sep 2004 at 16:21, Keith Whaley wrote:

My emphasis, above...
So far as you know, you mean.
Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all 
changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly that? I
suggest you don't. All these hard and fast pronouncements of "fact" are little
more then educated suppositions. Good ones, but... Might be true, right? Then
again, might not... hmmm.

I'm as sure it doesn't need film as I'm sure that there was no technical 
impediment to implementing the feedback mech. Sure it's an educated guess but 
I'm educated.
Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that...
No disrespect meant, Rob.
keith
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

Do you really want a mechanical linkage in the shutter area of a camera 
that is extremely sensitive to the least bit of dust? Do any other 
digital cameras have a mechanical stopdown linkage? I'm not sure that 
your educated guess is based on sufficient education. Then again, I 
could be wrong. But it's all guesswork on our part. I'm still grateful 
that we have at least fifty years worth of Pentax lenses to choose 
from.
On Sep 15, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 15 Sep 2004 at 16:21, Keith Whaley wrote:
My emphasis, above...
So far as you know, you mean.
Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all
changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly 
that? I
suggest you don't. All these hard and fast pronouncements of "fact" 
are little
more then educated suppositions. Good ones, but... Might be true, 
right? Then
again, might not... hmmm.
I'm as sure it doesn't need film as I'm sure that there was no 
technical
impediment to implementing the feedback mech. Sure it's an educated 
guess but
I'm educated.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Rob Studdert]

On 15 Sep 2004 at 16:21, Keith Whaley wrote:

> My emphasis, above...
> 
> So far as you know, you mean.
> Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all 
> changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly that? I
> suggest you don't. All these hard and fast pronouncements of "fact" are little
> more then educated suppositions. Good ones, but... Might be true, right? Then
> again, might not... hmmm.

I'm as sure it doesn't need film as I'm sure that there was no technical 
impediment to implementing the feedback mech. Sure it's an educated guess but 
I'm educated.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

I'm sorry but your reply does not address any of
the points I made in the post.

If you like the new mode, fine, but it wouldn't
be necessary with true AE. True AE would be equivilant
of the button being pushed all the time and the new
mode could have been offered in ADDITION to true AE.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


Try it, you'll like it.



On Sep 15, 2004, at 9:34 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Gracious? You cant be serious! They take away full support from your 
> high performance expensive perfectly good K/M lenses for no reason and

> you call that gracious? Absurd.
>
> Think about it, When pentax designed the A series and
> F series lenses and bodies, they did not abandon K/M
> in any way. They offered new features and fully supported old ones. 
> This *istD and a few very cheap older Pentax models, don't offer 
> anything NEW in terms of the lens functions, YET they offer LESS with 
> the K/M lenses. that is the exact opposite of what they did before.
>
> This is retrograde. I am in favor of abanding old lens 
> mounts/functions if what you get in return is more valuable than what 
> you give up , but with the istD lens functions, NOTHING was gained.
> ONLY LOSS.
>
> The age of the older lenses has ZERO to do with it. There isnt 
> anything there instead of the aperture sensing cam. If there was then 
> that would be another story. If a K/M lens can fit, then it can be 
> supported. Proof was all the A series and F series bodies that 
> supporte A, F and K/M simultaneously.
>
> JCO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
>
>
> You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical 
> linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of

> the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to 
> encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious 
> enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera 
> manufacturer has done that. Paul
> On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
>> their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
>> to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses

>> can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning these 
>> features it would be one thing but nothing was gained, it's ALL LOSS.

>> Pentax wants you to replace perfectly good and capable lenses. That 
>> is called PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
>> practice.
>> JCO
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
>>
>>
>> You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and 
>> M
>
>> lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who

>> owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it

>> before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary 
>> addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On

>> Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical 
>>> improvements.
>
>>> Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any 
>>> technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude,
>>>
>>> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
>>> you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
>>> the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
>>> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
>>> with Nikon, Canon, etc.
>>>
>>> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
>>> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
>>> Pentax M&K lenses!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
 like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
 Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
 lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
 both open aperture for approximately the last 30
 years. You say you want to move forward with digital
 but this major operational feature removal is
 acceptable?

 JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


 It does what amoun

Re: The Land That Time Forgot....

[Ryan Lee]

That's a fun image Fred! The sunset palette works well too.. 

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Widall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot


> This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's
> toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image.
> 
> Hope you like it.
> 
> http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html
> 
> --
>  Fred Widall,  PeopleSoft Developer,
>  Applications Technology, Information Systems & Technology Dept,
>  University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1.
>  Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440
>  Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
> --
> 
> 

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Caveman]

Frantisek wrote:
Oh great. A whiner who has never handled the item he whines about.
This sounds so Rubenstein.
Although I can understand quite well your concern for planned
obsolescence, let's look at it more pragmatically - when ever do you
need to change exposure so quickly that you need AE with manual focus
lens? 
E.g. some passing clouds ? In my experience they can make exposure vary 
abruptly some 2-3 stops. LX rules !

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

Try it, you'll like it.

On Sep 15, 2004, at 9:34 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Gracious? You cant be serious! They take away full support
from your high performance expensive perfectly good K/M lenses for no
reason and you call that gracious? Absurd.
Think about it, When pentax designed the A series and
F series lenses and bodies, they did not abandon K/M
in any way. They offered new features and fully supported old
ones. This *istD and a few very cheap older Pentax models, don't offer
anything NEW in terms of the lens functions, YET they
offer LESS with the K/M lenses. that is the exact opposite of
what they did before.
This is retrograde. I am in favor of abanding old lens
mounts/functions if what you get in return is more valuable than
what you give up , but with the istD lens functions, NOTHING was 
gained.
ONLY LOSS.

The age of the older lenses has ZERO to do with it. There
isnt anything there instead of the aperture sensing cam.
If there was then that would be another story. If a K/M
lens can fit, then it can be supported. Proof was all the
A series and F series bodies that supporte A, F and K/M
simultaneously.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical
linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of
the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to
encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious
enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera
manufacturer has done that.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
these features it would be one thing but nothing was
gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
practice.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M

lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.

Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO
-Original Message-
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
Dude,
Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.
For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!
--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is
acceptable?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed
automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the
button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a
problem or felt
inconvenienced.

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and
Aperure Priority AE, -ON
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
works fine with K and
M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
could get any w

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

AE means AUTOMATIC exposure. IF you have to press a button
every time you want to take a new picture that isnt AUTOMATIC,
that is more like metered manual with the exception that it
changes to the correct shutter speed for you ONCE and wont
update if needed unless you MANUALLY intervene over and over again.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


> Open aperture manual is a thinking mans mode
> and real time open aperture AE is a nice feature to have
> when you need it. AE can always be turned off
> but with the *istD it isnt available EVER.
> JCO

Aperture-priority AE is available when you press the green button. It's
a different way of doing it than you're used to, but it certainly *is* 
aperture-priority AE. And as others have mentioned, it is faster than
turning a 
control to adjust shutter speed in metered manual mode.

No comment on "thinking mans mode" as I'm not a "thinking man."

ERN

istDs - bouquet

[Simon King]

My concerns about a "cut down" *ist-D was that it would have an inferior
viewfinder. I made that mistake when I bought the MZ-6. I far prefer my
M series bodies as I can actually compose a picture far more easily, and
that's far more important to me than making the camera a few grams
lighter.
With the *ist-DS I can use my Pentax glass with a digital body that has
the same sensor and viewfinder as it *ist D at a price that is far more
affordable#
I don't give one whit about the frame rate (anything would be quicker
than my TLR) or the lack of MLU (that's what the B setting and black
velvet are for). I can live without a PC socket by using a hot shoe
converter that I already had to buy for my MZ-6. The only settings I
care about are manual and Av, so there's no loss there.
As far as I can tell, *for the features that I will actually use* it's
not inferior to the *ist-D in any way other than price.
We'll have to wait and see...

Cheers,
Simon


# Read - "can convince beloved wife that it's affordable"




-Original Message-
From: Treena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 3:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!

I know I won't complain. This is exactly what I wanted, and possibly at
a
far better price than I'd hoped. I've read the release over several
times,
and I can't help thinking this sounds more and more like the zx-5n of
the
digital line. And that would keep me happy for a very long time.

- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


> They probably are identical. Pentax decides not to cheapen the new
> camera where it matters and folk complain. Oh well.
>
> --
>
> Keith Whaley wrote:
>
> > See below:
> >
> > Martin Trautmann wrote:
> >
> >> On 2004-09-15 15:35, Alin Flaider wrote:
> >>
> >>> Martin wrote:
> >>> MT> Yet another question: the new model was reduced in weight.
Does
> >>> it still use
> >>> MT> an inner metal frame or ist it 'plastics only'?
> >
> >
> >>>  The chassis depicted here appears quite sturdy:
> >>>  http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0914/pentax107.jpg
> >
> >
> >> But that's the image of the *ist D - isn't it?
> >> http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0914/pentax1.htm
> >
> >
> > On the site you reference above, that chassis is shown as one of a
set
> > of 6 images, one of which shows the front view of the *istDS.
> > The two chassis images (Alin's above and your URL below) look
identical
> > to me.
> >
> > I do question whether that particular chassis might not be an
> > engineering mockup, however.
> > Seems to me they wouldn't build a chassis with so many screws and
posts
> > and separate stampings for a large production model as the DS is
> > supposed to be.
> > In other words, I'm not convinced that's a production chassis.
> >
> > keith whaley
> >
> >> I asked for the *ist Ds.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
>
>

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

Gracious? You cant be serious! They take away full support
from your high performance expensive perfectly good K/M lenses for no
reason and you call that gracious? Absurd.

Think about it, When pentax designed the A series and
F series lenses and bodies, they did not abandon K/M
in any way. They offered new features and fully supported old
ones. This *istD and a few very cheap older Pentax models, don't offer
anything NEW in terms of the lens functions, YET they
offer LESS with the K/M lenses. that is the exact opposite of
what they did before.

This is retrograde. I am in favor of abanding old lens
mounts/functions if what you get in return is more valuable than
what you give up , but with the istD lens functions, NOTHING was gained.
ONLY LOSS. 

The age of the older lenses has ZERO to do with it. There
isnt anything there instead of the aperture sensing cam.
If there was then that would be another story. If a K/M
lens can fit, then it can be supported. Proof was all the
A series and F series bodies that supporte A, F and K/M
simultaneously.

JCO


-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical 
linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of 
the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to 
encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious 
enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera 
manufacturer has done that.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
> their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
> to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses 
> can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
> these features it would be one thing but nothing was
> gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
> perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
> PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
> practice.
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
>
>
> You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M

> lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who 
> owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it 
> before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary 
> addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On 
> Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.

>> Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any 
>> technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>>
>>
>> Dude,
>>
>> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
>> you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
>> the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
>> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
>> with Nikon, Canon, etc.
>>
>> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
>> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
>> Pentax M&K lenses!
>>
>>
>> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
>>> like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
>>> Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
>>> lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
>>> both open aperture for approximately the last 30
>>> years. You say you want to move forward with digital
>>> but this major operational feature removal is
>>> acceptable?
>>>
>>> JCO
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>>>
>>>
>>> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
>>> simple push of the
>>> green button. It will set the shutter speed
>>> automatically, so you really
>>> have only one motion to complete, pushing the
>>> button. I don't understand
>>> why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
>>> situations with constantly
>>> changing exposure and have never experienced a
>>> problem or felt
>>> inconvenienced.
>>>
>>>
 Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


 It now does open aperture metered manual and
>>> Aperure Priority AE, -ON
 THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
>>> JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

But you don't know that for certain. For one, they might not have 
wanted to introduce a mechanical linkage that would shake more dust 
loose onto the sensor. But that's just one example. There might be 
myriad reasons why they didn't want the mechanical linkage in the 
camera.
On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:40 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

the digital sensor in the *istD has nothing
to do with K/M lens functions. They certainly
could have done the same as they did for their
film cameras in that respect.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:40, Paul Stenquist wrote:

You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and 
M
lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation.

Paul you know advertising/marketing, do you really truly think that
dropping
the compatibility was more than a sales tools? There really is NO
SOUND
TECHNICAL REASON for its exclusion...
My emphasis, above...
So far as you know, you mean.
Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all
changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly 
that?
I
suggest you don't.
All these hard and fast pronouncements of "fact" are little more then
educated suppositions.
Good ones, but...
Might be true, right?
Then again, might not... hmmm.

keith whaley
Pentax have been able to integrate it
successfully for years on all bodies from the cheapest to the most
expensive
(but for a few cameras not worthy of the Pentax name).
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot....

[ernreed2]

Fred Widall shared this link:

> http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html
with the comment:
> This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's
> toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image.
> 
> Hope you like it.


Yup, I do.

ERN

Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot, Frank. Kids are cool. You will love PhotoShop one you've had 
time to play with it. It's a great toy for grownups.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:39 PM, frank theriault wrote:

This was actually taken several years ago, with Wendy Beard's MX and
her 40mm Pancake.  She unselfishly lent the combo to me when I
mentioned on list that I'd like to try an MX.  The rest, as they say,
is history.
I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first
attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything
else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well.
Better get one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books at the
library...
Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I
thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...):
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585
I always encourage and enjoy comments.
thanks,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:40:55 -0400, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another classic.  And i like the way you tied in Cormorant Times to this
> one. :-)
> 

The man's really quite insane!!

BTW, Christian, I noticed the cormorant thing too.  

cheers,
frank



-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Grandpa Stenquist

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Steve. You've been off for a while? Good to see you back here.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Steve Larson wrote:
Congratulations Paul!!
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[ernreed2]

> Open aperture manual is a thinking mans mode
> and real time open aperture AE is a nice feature to have
> when you need it. AE can always be turned off
> but with the *istD it isnt available EVER.
> JCO

Aperture-priority AE is available when you press the green button.
It's a different way of doing it than you're used to, but it certainly *is* 
aperture-priority AE. And as others have mentioned, it is faster than turning a 
control to adjust shutter speed in metered manual mode.

No comment on "thinking mans mode" as I'm not a "thinking man."

ERN

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

There may have been technical reasons for abandoning the stop down 
mechanism. And even if there were not, when a manufacturer has to trim 
costs, it will look at all options. Even if it was only a sales tool, I 
think it was justified. Pentax is obviously having to struggle mightily 
to stay competitive in economic terms. As long as they accommodate the 
K and M lenses for al us old timers who still want to use them, I'm 
satisfied. They don't have to make it a no-brainer for the newbies.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:40, Paul Stenquist wrote:
You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation.
Paul you know advertising/marketing, do you really truly think that 
dropping
the compatibility was more than a sales tools? There really is no sound
technical reason for its exclusion, Pentax have been able to integrate 
it
successfully for years on all bodies from the cheapest to the most 
expensive
(but for a few cameras not worthy of the Pentax name).

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

If continous open aperture AE is so unimportant why did the top line
model pentax offered from about 1973 on have it? Secondly I know
the differece between true AE and what the ist D is offers. If you
have to press a button every time you want a new automatic exposure
that is really just a modified metered manual because it takes human
intervention
to keep updating the reading, true AE is continously updated fully
automatically.
JCO



-Original Message-
From: Frantisek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:08 PM
To: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!



Thursday, September 16, 2004, 1:37:41 AM, J. wrote:
JCOC> What the hell has that got to do with it?
JCOC> I don't need to buy or hold one to know
JCOC> it cant do open aperture metering or open
JCOC> aperture AE.
JCOC> JCO

Oh great. A whiner who has never handled the item he whines about.

Although I can understand quite well your concern for planned
obsolescence, let's look at it more pragmatically - when ever do you
need to change exposure so quickly that you need AE with manual focus
lens? You can just as quickly press the green button every few seconds.
And if you think that's inconvenient, just ask some photojournalists -
HyM mode would be my most used one, if my current cameras had it
(different brand ).

Good light!
   fra

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical 
linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of 
the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to 
encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious 
enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera 
manufacturer has done that.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
can do.
Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
these features it would be one thing but nothing was
gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
practice.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.
Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
technical reason for doing so. Big difference.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
Dude,
Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.
For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!
--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is
acceptable?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed
automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the
button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a
problem or felt
inconvenienced.

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and
Aperure Priority AE, -ON
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
works fine with K and
M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
could get any worse.
It should get better, not worse. Not fully
supporting the "K" mount
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
and M lenses that are
being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
technical reasons. But this
is old argument JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make
final judgments, is
there anything to suggest that the support won't
be as good?
Shel
From: Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as
the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ...
that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal"
lens for the istDS.




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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because 
you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've 
found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be
easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual
mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras
offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime
continously,
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you
really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't
understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with
constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or
felt inconvenienced.
As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is
much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for 
which
these lenses were originally intended.

Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out
and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

The *istD offers an exposure system for K and M lenses that is superior 
to open aperture metered manual. In truth, less is required of the 
operator than on an MX. On the MX with a K or M lens, one must depress 
the shutter button halfway to get a meter reading, then to correct the 
exposure, one must either turn the aperture ring or the shutter speed 
wheel. On the *istD with a K or M lens, one can set the desired 
aperture then push the green button and the camera will set the shutter 
speed. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's just fine for most of us. I 
think you should try it before you conclude that it's no good.

On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:39 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Open aperture metered manual on the fly isnt worth having?
Gimme a break!
The K/M lens can do it. Pentax is intentionally crippling
them NOW. They have offered that feature, and it is huge
for 30 years on their film SLRs, even the screwmounts had
that feature by '74.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Yes, that's what I'm saying. My Leica iiif is acceptable. My Pentax 6x7
is acceptable. I don't need fully automated metering under any
circumstances. I ENJOY having it when I'm doing family snaps or
walkaround photos, and I don't want to think too much. Then I use my FA
28-105, and, for the last few days, my DA 16-45. For birding, where
exposures change very rapidly, I have an A version of the 400/5.6. For
everything else, I'm fine with "semi automatic" ap priority or full
manual.
On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:00 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is acceptable?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you
really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't
understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K
and

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse.
It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" mount
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are

being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this
is old argument JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?
Shel
From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Frantisek]

Thursday, September 16, 2004, 1:37:41 AM, J. wrote:
JCOC> What the hell has that got to do with it?
JCOC> I don't need to buy or hold one to know
JCOC> it cant do open aperture metering or open
JCOC> aperture AE. 
JCOC> JCO

Oh great. A whiner who has never handled the item he whines about.

Although I can understand quite well your concern for planned
obsolescence, let's look at it more pragmatically - when ever do you
need to change exposure so quickly that you need AE with manual focus
lens? You can just as quickly press the green button every few
seconds. And if you think that's inconvenient, just ask some
photojournalists - HyM mode would be my most used one, if my current
cameras had it (different brand ).

Good light!
   fra

Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585

Sorry frank... This one is just not my cup of tea...

Christian

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Bruce Dayton]

Most likely they will never make another new camera (film or digital)
that has the coupler arm.  If you have tried the *istD kludge yourself, you
will find that it is no worse in practice than using a manual camera
(MX, K1000) and is a bit quicker to press the green button than
turning the shutter speed dial.

If that doesn't work for you, then you might as well consign all the
old lenses to no use and switch brands for digital to spite Pentax.

Bruce


Wednesday, September 15, 2004, 5:29:06 PM, you wrote:

JA> I recently had to replace my useable cell phone because a replacement
JA> battery couldn't be found.  I mentioned "Planned Obsolescence" to the clerk.
JA> She just gave me that deer-in-the-headlight stare.  She had never heard of
JA> P.O.
JA> A Pentax rep told me early this year that Pentax would never make a digital
JA> slr that would be fully compatible with early K/M lenses.  It was upsettings
JA> to hear that news. 

JA> Jim a.



>> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:22 -0400
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:20 -0400
>> 
>> NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
>> their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
>> to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
>> can do.
>> Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
>> these features it would be one thing but nothing was
>> gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
>> perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
>> PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
>> practice.
>> JCO
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
>> 
>> 
>> You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
>> lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
>> owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
>> before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
>> addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
>> Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> 
>>> The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.
>>> Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
>>> technical reason for doing so. Big difference.
>>> JCO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dude,
>>> 
>>> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
>>> you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
>>> the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
>>> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
>>> with Nikon, Canon, etc.
>>> 
>>> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
>>> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
>>> Pentax M&K lenses!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
 that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
 like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
 Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
 lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
 both open aperture for approximately the last 30
 years. You say you want to move forward with digital
 but this major operational feature removal is
 acceptable?
 
 JCO
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
 
 
 It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
 simple push of the
 green button. It will set the shutter speed
 automatically, so you really
 have only one motion to complete, pushing the
 button. I don't understand
 why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
 situations with constantly
 changing exposure and have never experienced a
 problem or felt
 inconvenienced.
 
 
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> It now does open aperture metered manual and
 Aperure Priority AE, -ON
> THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
 JCO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
 works fine with K and
 
> M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
> 
> 
>> "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
 could get any worse

Re: PAW: Water Bomber

[Bruce Dayton]

Frank,

I like this shot!  It is very cool how you have caught it showing
water dropping (I think).  Not overly sharp (grin), but I don't think
it really hurts the image.  Must be quite a sight to see.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, September 2, 2004, 4:10:13 PM, you wrote:

ft> Since I can't afford to get stuff printed up these days, I thought I
ft> could dip into the archives for a few PAW's.

ft> Took this one a year ago Labour Day Weekend, at the CNE Airshow.  It's
ft> a Canadair Waterbomber, one of the coolest airplanes ever.

ft> They skim a few feet above a lake, lower scoops and fill their water
ft> tanks in just a few seconds.  Then it's off to the forest fire to bomb
ft> the fire with thousands of gallons of water, then back to the lake to
ft> reload.

ft> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2663940

ft> This one gave us a demo bombing over Lake Ontario.  It was cool.

ft> Not the sharpest photo ever, but I had to crop out a fair bit of
ft> garbage (my no cropping rule doesn't count for stuff that I don't
ft> normally do, like airshows ), plus I was handholding at 200mm.
ft> Still, sharper than my usual street stuff .

ft> Not my most exciting shot, but comments are still welcome. 

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

Re: PESO: Rainy Day

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Caveman,

I prefer the first one.  Some reasons:
I like the balance of the kayak on the left and mountain on the right.
I like the color differences with the strong blue kayak against the
lake and sky.

Bruce


Thursday, September 2, 2004, 9:38:37 AM, you wrote:


C> http://www.pbase.com/image/33324162

C> http://www.pbase.com/image/33324101

C> Which one do you guys preffer and why ?

C> Cheers !

Re: PAW: Power Station

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Boris,

Seems that you should be shooting medium format more often.  Looks
very nice.  Composition is well done - except for the hanging power
lines - whether cropped or cloned out, it would be much better without
them.

Overall a very lovely scene that is nicely captured.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:37:46 PM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL> Thanks to Jostein, I got my hand on some real stuff. Here is for your
BL> attention:

BL> Pentax 645NII, Pentax SMC 645 300 (don't remember the aperture),
BL> proper tripod.

BL> I won't add a word... For now :).

BL> http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/46966

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Bruce Dayton]

Tell that to Microsoft.

Bruce


Wednesday, September 15, 2004, 5:04:24 PM, you wrote:

JCOC> False, companies fortune's ride on public perception.
JCOC> When you go down the path they are taking it is
JCOC> a very RISKY business
JCOC> JCO

JCOC> -Original Message-
JCOC> From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
JCOC> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:31 PM
JCOC> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


>>which is a very unethical business practice.

JCOC> Business would not be business if ethic was the major concern. That's
JCOC> how 
JCOC> the real world operates.

JCOC> Alan Chan
JCOC> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

JCOC> _
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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Jim Apilado]

I recently had to replace my useable cell phone because a replacement
battery couldn't be found.  I mentioned "Planned Obsolescence" to the clerk.
She just gave me that deer-in-the-headlight stare.  She had never heard of
P.O.
A Pentax rep told me early this year that Pentax would never make a digital
slr that would be fully compatible with early K/M lenses.  It was upsettings
to hear that news. 

Jim a.



> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:22 -0400
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:20 -0400
> 
> NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
> their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
> to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
> can do.
> Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
> these features it would be one thing but nothing was
> gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
> perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
> PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
> practice.
> JCO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
> lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
> owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
> before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
> addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
> Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
>> The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.
>> Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
>> technical reason for doing so. Big difference.
>> JCO
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>> 
>> 
>> Dude,
>> 
>> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
>> you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
>> the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
>> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
>> with Nikon, Canon, etc.
>> 
>> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
>> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
>> Pentax M&K lenses!
>> 
>> 
>> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
>>> like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
>>> Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
>>> lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
>>> both open aperture for approximately the last 30
>>> years. You say you want to move forward with digital
>>> but this major operational feature removal is
>>> acceptable?
>>> 
>>> JCO
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
>>> simple push of the
>>> green button. It will set the shutter speed
>>> automatically, so you really
>>> have only one motion to complete, pushing the
>>> button. I don't understand
>>> why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
>>> situations with constantly
>>> changing exposure and have never experienced a
>>> problem or felt
>>> inconvenienced.
>>> 
>>> 
 Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
 
 
 It now does open aperture metered manual and
>>> Aperure Priority AE, -ON
 THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
>>> JCO
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
 
 
 I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
>>> works fine with K and
>>> 
 M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
 
 
> "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
>>> could get any worse.
> It should get better, not worse. Not fully
>>> supporting the "K" mount
> is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
>>> and M lenses that are
>>> 
> being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
>>> technical reasons. But this
> is old argument JCO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> While I understand that it's too early to make
>>> final judgments, is
> there anything to suggest that the support won't
>>> be as good?
>

Re: New Pentax-D FA Macro at Adorama . . .

[Alexander Grigolia, Jr]

Also, the new SMC Pentax-D FA 50mm f/2.8 Macro is listed for $429.95 !!!
Alex. Grigolia

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Jim Apilado]

Let's not forget the K2 and K2DMD models.  These had AE with the K/M lenses.
I recall some of the make-shift methods new owners of the *ist D tried,
early on, that would allow full use of the K/M lenses.  I believe one method
had the potential of having the lens fall off the camera if it was handled
in a certain way.  Not too good wouldn't you say?


Jim A.

> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:59:57 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:59:53 -0400
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green
>> button.
>> It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one
>> motion to 
>> complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is
>> difficult. 
>> I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never
>> experienced 
>> a problem or felt inconvenienced.
> 
> As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D
> is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for
> which these lenses were originally intended.
> 
> Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get
> out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic.
> 
> 

RE: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi 

Essentially a nice capture, but I keep thinking there's too much extraneous
information in the pic which diminishes its impact.  Closer, tighter 
but I like it quite a bit anyway because it tells a nice little story and
puts a smile on my face.

In what way is Photoshop different/better than what you've been using?

See my private email w/additional comments re PS.

Shel 


> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This was actually taken several years ago, with Wendy Beard's MX and
> her 40mm Pancake.  She unselfishly lent the combo to me when I
> mentioned on list that I'd like to try an MX.  The rest, as they say,
> is history.
>
> I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first
> attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything
> else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well. 
> Better get one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books at the
> library...
>
> Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I
> thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...):
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585

RE: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot....

[Shel Belinkoff]

Cute!  Nice that you saw that.  Bet your grandson thinks it's a cue pic.

Shel 

> [Original Message]
> From: Fred Widall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2004 5:01:17 PM
> Subject: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot
>
> This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's
> toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image.
>
> Hope you like it.
>
> http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html
>
> --
>  Fred Widall,  PeopleSoft Developer,
>  Applications Technology, Information Systems & Technology Dept,
>  University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1.
>  Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440
>  Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
> --

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Keith Whaley]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
What the hell has that got to do with it?
I don't need to buy or hold one to know
it cant do open aperture metering or open
aperture AE. 
JCO
Of course not. Sorry about that.
keith
-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


J. C. O'Connell wrote:

NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses 
can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
these features it would be one thing but nothing was
gained, it's ALL LOSS. 

In your _most_ humble opinion, you mean--and even before you see or hold
or 
try the camera.

keith

Pentax wants you to replace
perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business practice.
JCO

[...]

New Pentax-D FA Macro at Adorama . . .

[Alexander Grigolia, Jr]

I was just on the Adorama web site looking for FA * telephoto lenses.
No luck, BUT  . . .
The new SMC Pentax-D FA 100mm f/2.8 Macro is listed for $564.95 !!!
Alex. Grigolia

Re: Pentax at Hooters

[John Forbes]

Chuckle
J
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:41:31 -0400 (EDT), John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

tom mused:
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > http://www.bigdayphoto.com/pdml/uhoh1.jpg
> >
> > tv
> >
>
> tom,
>
> That's Cesar in the middle (good decision to shave the
> 'stache, BTW, Cesar ), you on the right, so who's that on the left?
Ed Mathews, former PDMLer, Nikon defector.
http://lightandsilver.com/
>
> What are the young ladies names?
Prudence, Chastity, Faith, Hope and Mercy.

Only have Faith, and all will be revealed.


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RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

False, companies fortune's ride on public perception.
When you go down the path they are taking it is
a very RISKY business
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


>which is a very unethical business practice.

Business would not be business if ethic was the major concern. That's
how 
the real world operates.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

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PESO: The Land That Time Forgot....

[Fred Widall]

This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's
toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image.

Hope you like it.

http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html

--
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 Applications Technology, Information Systems & Technology Dept,
 University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1.
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 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
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Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Graywolf]

What ever happened to the idea that kids were not supposed to drink coffee?
grin.
You know what, Frank? I think that what makes your street shots so good 
is that you really like the people out there and it shows.

--
frank theriault wrote:
This was actually taken several years ago, with Wendy Beard's MX and
her 40mm Pancake.  She unselfishly lent the combo to me when I
mentioned on list that I'd like to try an MX.  The rest, as they say,
is history.
I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first
attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything
else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well. 
Better get one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books at the
library...

Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I
thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...):
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585
I always encourage and enjoy comments.
thanks,
frank
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RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[Alan Chan]

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Business would not be business if ethic was the major concern. That's how 
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Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[Caveman]

Hey, it has "The Knarf Look" ! So it's not the camera, it's the 
photographer ! ;-)

Nice capture, Frank. Wish you success with Photoshop, if you're 
adventurous, you'll be able to do some really cool things.

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

the digital sensor in the *istD has nothing
to do with K/M lens functions. They certainly
could have done the same as they did for their
film cameras in that respect.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!




Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:40, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> 
>>You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
>>lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who 
>>owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it 
>>before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary 
>>addition that might well interfere with some other operation.

> Paul you know advertising/marketing, do you really truly think that 
> dropping
> the compatibility was more than a sales tools? There really is NO
SOUND 
> TECHNICAL REASON for its exclusion...

My emphasis, above...

So far as you know, you mean.
Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all 
changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly that?
I 
suggest you don't.
All these hard and fast pronouncements of "fact" are little more then 
educated suppositions.
Good ones, but...
Might be true, right?
Then again, might not... hmmm.

keith whaley

> Pentax have been able to integrate it
> successfully for years on all bodies from the cheapest to the most
expensive 
> (but for a few cameras not worthy of the Pentax name).
> 
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 
> 
> 

PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know

[frank theriault]

This was actually taken several years ago, with Wendy Beard's MX and
her 40mm Pancake.  She unselfishly lent the combo to me when I
mentioned on list that I'd like to try an MX.  The rest, as they say,
is history.

I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first
attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything
else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well. 
Better get one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books at the
library...

Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I
thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...):

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585

I always encourage and enjoy comments.

thanks,
frank
-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

You cant do shutter priority AE with K/M lenses
if that is what you meanOn any Pentax camera.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


Or you can do a custom function (green button in manual) and have it do
shutter priority. Pretty handy.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the 
> green
button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have
only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why
some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.
>
>
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> >
> >
> > It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, 
> > -ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> >
> >
> > I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K 
> > and M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
> >
> >
> > > "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse.

> > > It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" 
> > > mount is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses 
> > > that are being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical 
> > > reasons. But this is old argument JCO
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> > >
> > >
> > > While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is

> > > there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?
> > >
> > > Shel
> > >
> > > > From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > > Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has 
> > > > now.
> > >
> > > > >Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in 
> > > > >the
> > > equipment
> > > > >drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

RE: Grandpa Stenquist

[Amita Guha]

Tell me about it. I'm in the same boat. ;)

Amita

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Grandpa Stenquist
> 
> 
> I hope to be able to go some time before Christmas, but it's tough 
> because I'm working freelance now. If I don't work, I don't get paid. 
> No vacation days for the slave laborers .
> Paul
> On Sep 12, 2004, at 7:25 PM, Amita Guha wrote:
> 
> >> My first grandchild was born this morning in Broxburn, 
> West Lothian, 
> >> Scotland at about 3AM.
> >
> > Congratulations, Paul! So, when are you flying out to meet 
> the little 
> > one? :)
> >
> > Amita
> >
> 

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

Correction: KMOUNT film camera.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


Don't recall any Pentax cameras earlier than the Spotmatic F capable of
open aperture metering under any condition. 

Shel 

> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperture Priority AE, -ON

> THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO
> > JCO

Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Okay, I'll bite
>
>http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html

I'm humbled to be in the presence of such greatness...
;-)
Seriously!

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But many of us are not disappointed. And sometimes we should commend 
>Pentax for doing a good job. They've just released a $700 DSLR that 
>will work to one extent or another with almost every Pentax lens 
>manufactured in the last forty years. I say, "job well done."

And I say I'd be disappointed if they *did* have full K/M lens
compatibility on the ist-Ds. This camera is for newbies to SLRs and to
Pentax, not for experienced folks like those of us on this list. At
$700 retail, Pentax's profit margin is going to be
thin-to-non-existent. The company needs to sell *new* lenses for this
camera to make *profit* (so they can stay in business and keep making
products like those fab new macro lenses and the Limited series for us
"serious enthusiasts").

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical
improvements. Pentax did not, they just abandoned
the K mount support WITHOUT any technical reason
for doing so. Big difference. 
JCO


-Original Message-
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


Dude, 

Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.  

For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
> like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
> Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
> lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
> both open aperture for approximately the last 30
> years. You say you want to move forward with digital
> but this major operational feature removal is
> acceptable?
> 
> JCO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
> simple push of the
> green button. It will set the shutter speed
> automatically, so you really
> have only one motion to complete, pushing the
> button. I don't understand
> why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
> situations with constantly
> changing exposure and have never experienced a
> problem or felt
> inconvenienced.
> 
> 
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> > 
> > 
> > It now does open aperture metered manual and
> Aperure Priority AE, -ON 
> > THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
> JCO
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
> works fine with K and
> 
> > M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
> > 
> > 
> > > "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
> could get any worse. 
> > > It should get better, not worse. Not fully
> supporting the "K" mount 
> > > is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
> and M lenses that are
> 
> > > being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
> technical reasons. But this 
> > > is old argument JCO
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shel Belinkoff
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > While I understand that it's too early to make
> final judgments, is 
> > > there anything to suggest that the support won't
> be as good?
> > > 
> > > Shel
> > > 
> > > > From: Peter J. Alling
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > > Only if the K/M support is at least as good as
> the *ist-D has now.
> > > 
> > > > >Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ...
> that M24~35 zoom in the
> > > equipment
> > > > >drawer should make a pretty nice "normal"
> lens for the istDS.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[Cotty]

Okay, I'll bite

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html


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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

That's too bad, because it's a great camera -- even with K and M lenses.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:08 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
I know the camera cant do open aperture metering/AE at all
based on discussions when the camera came out.
That is NOT a good thing. That is a big reason I DON'T
own and use one. I don't buy things that don't have what
I want/need.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
So then you're not familiar with how the istD uses the older lenses, is
that correct?
From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 9/15/2004 11:17:07 AM
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M

mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing
cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the
relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture
metering? JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

Re: OT - Canon mailing list?

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:10:14 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Very light traffic and no 'characters' like wot we got 'ere guv.
>
>We have characters here?

Besides the alphanumeric type?

RE: We went south

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

I'm with Cotty, I too, had no idea, that a "putz" could also mean that! how
funny! lol.


Tanya Mayer Photography

Qld, Australia
www.tanyamayer.com
Ph +61 (07) 49831247
Mobile +61 0429831247

-Original Message-
From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 7:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: We went south


I thought that you britts have a better command of your four letters
words ;-)

Cotty wrote:

>
> Learn something new every day!

Re: Re[2]: Minolta is game again, where is heading Pentax!?

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Minoltans sound just like Pentaxians.
>
>After much wailing and gnashing of teeth about not having a particular
>product, their company not only comes out with the product, but it
>appears to be a groundbreaking, absolute winner.
>
>The reaction?  They all bitch about it.
>
>Plus ca change...

Once again Knarf hits the nail squarely on the head. 

Of course, I'm still chuckling over the "Minolta is game again"
subject line based on a camera that, more than six months after its
announcement, hasn't even been seen or held by anyone outside
Konica-Minolta, even in prototype form.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Alan Chan]

To me, *istDS is more attractive than *istD consider their prices & 
features, especially when I have no preference to particular memory media. 
Perhaps most PDMLs have lusted for a highend body for so long, they have 
become intolerate to consumer models. I really do not see anything wrong 
with the *istDS, unless of course Canon is now aiming at 8MP.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
This is a consumer grade digicam, JC. Not another *ist-D!
It's _meant_ to have less features, so they can sell it less expensively!
So now we have more PDMLers bitching about yet another Pentax release!
Sighhh.
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Re: Chinon 135 f2.8

[Lasse Karlsson]

From: "Peter J. Alling" 
> Jeez, you already bought it, you're going to try it out, why ask us.  
> You can decide for yourself.

Who's running the list of memorable PDML quotes?
The above got to qualify as a good example of PDML (selective) friendliness

Yes, as the man said, why ask for other user impressions of a Pentax K-mount on the 
Pentax Discuss Mailing list

Robert, contrary to Peter I like it when list members ask for opinions of other list 
members.
However, unfortunately I can't help you much, other than saying that Chinon has 
probably put out more than one model of 135/2.8:s through the years, why it would be 
diffi cult tosay anything without knowing the exact model of the lens.
In general I don't recall Chinon lenses getting too bad reviews, but you never know. 
The 135:s are a bit like 50mm lenses, you actually seldom hear of real bad ones from 
the better known brands.
I once owned a screwmount Chinon 135. It was alright, but the multicoated Pentacon 
135/2.8 was clearly a better lens. (While one of Chinon's 50/1.7 once by a Swedish 
photo magazine was declared something like "best 50 mm we ever tested", some time in 
the late 70:s I think.)

When you've tried it out, why don't you tell us your own impressions or post a picture.

Lasse
Lasse

> Robert Woerner wrote:
> 
> >Hey you third party folks,
> >
> >Is the Chinon 135 f2.8 K-mount any good? Bokeh, etc.I bought one today REAL
> >inexpensive. I'm going to try it out this week and am curious about other
> >users impressions. It was appealing because it is light, bright and CHEAP.
> >
> >Robert

Re: Minolta is game again, where is heading Pentax!?

[Mark Roberts]

Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>There's a simple explanation to that. What they actually want is a 20D, 
>but for various reasons they don't get one, so they bitch about their 
>current manufacturer for not making a similar camera.
>
>;-) ;-) ;-)

Why the smileys there? You are exactly right.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Mark Roberts]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button.
>It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to 
>complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. 
>I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced 
>a problem or felt inconvenienced.

As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D
is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for
which these lenses were originally intended.

Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get
out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Keith Whaley]

Seems to me, we don't yet know what this camera body DOES provide.
We really don't know how Pentax expects us to "cope" with what they 
included, and yes, what they've excluded.
We'll just have to wait and see.

keith
Paul Stenquist wrote:
You compared it to "every film camera Pentax has made," so I mentioned 
the Spotty, which, again, I don't find inconvenient. Thinking is good.

On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:03 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Spotmatic wasn't AE, It is not simpler than the spot F for
manual operation and not as simple as the ES/ESII for
auto operation. Why are you comparing to screwmounts anyway.
This is a bayonet camera and nearly every bayonet camera
Pentax ever made fully supported K/M lenses except for a few
Super budget models which the *istD is not.
JCO

Re: We went south

[Caveman]

I thought that you britts have a better command of your four letters 
words ;-)

Cotty wrote:
Learn something new every day!

Re: Minolta is game again, where is heading Pentax!?

[Alexander Grigolia, Jr]

It appears that Pentax IS coming out with a new lens line (or two)!
The SMC Pentax-D FA appears to be the new top-of-the-line lens series.  
It is designed for digital quality but also covers an entire 35mm 
negative!  The new SMC Pentax-D FA 50mm & 100mm macros are just the 
first to be announced.

Not only is B&H short of FA lenses but KEH in Atlanta & Adorama in NYC 
are short or out entirely.

Might Pentax release an entirely new lens line at Photokina?  Some of 
us oldtimers remember Pentax releasing an entire new lens line in the 
past.

Alex Grigolia
On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 02:20 AM, Alin Flaider wrote:
  The Maxxum 7D with its anti-shake technology looks like a remarkable
  come back for Minolta, now that it revives with it its entire lens 
line:
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091504km7d.asp
  If the A/S proves effective (it seems to have some limitations
  depending on the focal length, magnification factor) then it's going
  to be a hard blow to C/N. [And we can be happy that P was once again
  right to wait for the technology to mature. :oT]

  In the meantime, at B&H virtually all Pentax 35mm lenses are
  out-of-stock or back-ordered. I wonder what is P up to (it took too
  long for the story of quality problems or sick Nguyen to stick)? So
  is P going to replace the entire FA and build a new system, digital
  oriented? Will there be any primes left other than limiteds and
  macros? Are we going to count just ten lenses, half of them DA? Is
  there any commitment from P part to the full frame in the
  foreseeable future?
  Servus, Alin

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

But many of us are not disappointed. And sometimes we should commend 
Pentax for doing a good job. They've just released a $700 DSLR that 
will work to one extent or another with almost every Pentax lens 
manufactured in the last forty years. I say, "job well done."
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 5:43 PM, Peter J. Alling wrote:

Much as I hate to encourage bitching for bitching's sake, if we don't 
let Pentax know we're disappointed then they won't change anything, 
and might go out of the camera business when no one buys their 
products, (how that for hubris).

Keith Whaley wrote:

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30 years. You say you 
want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is acceptable?

This is a consumer grade digicam, JC. Not another *ist-D!
It's _meant_ to have less features, so they can sell it less 
expensively!
So now we have more PDMLers bitching about yet another Pentax release!
Sighhh.

keith
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!

It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you 
really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't 
understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with 
constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.


Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, 
-ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K 
and


M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. 
It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" 
mount is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses 
that are


being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But 
this is old argument JCO

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is 
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?

Shel

From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the

equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.






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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

You compared it to "every film camera Pentax has made," so I mentioned 
the Spotty, which, again, I don't find inconvenient. Thinking is good.

On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:03 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Spotmatic wasn't AE, It is not simpler than the spot F for
manual operation and not as simple as the ES/ESII for
auto operation. Why are you comparing to screwmounts anyway.
This is a bayonet camera and nearly every bayonet camera
Pentax ever made fully supported K/M lenses except for a few
Super budget models which the *istD is not.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It doesn't. But it stops down, meters and sets your shutter speed for
the chosen ap at a touch of the green button. No big inconvenience. 
It's
simpler than a Spotmatic because the button is close to the shutter and
easily depressed. Paul


I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M

mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing
cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the
relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture
metering? JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse.
It
should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" mount is
a
crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are
being
crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this is
old argument
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?
Shel
From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. My Leica iiif is acceptable. My Pentax 6x7 
is acceptable. I don't need fully automated metering under any 
circumstances. I ENJOY having it when I'm doing family snaps or 
walkaround photos, and I don't want to think too much. Then I use my FA 
28-105, and, for the last few days, my DA 16-45. For birding, where 
exposures change very rapidly, I have an A version of the 400/5.6. For 
everything else, I'm fine with "semi automatic" ap priority or full 
manual.

On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:00 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is acceptable?
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you 
really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't 
understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.


Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse.
It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" mount
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are

being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this
is old argument JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?
Shel
From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Peter J. Alling]

Much as I hate to encourage bitching for bitching's sake, if we don't 
let Pentax know we're disappointed then they won't change anything, and 
might go out of the camera business when no one buys their products, 
(how that for hubris).

Keith Whaley wrote:

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30 years. You say you 
want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is acceptable?

This is a consumer grade digicam, JC. Not another *ist-D!
It's _meant_ to have less features, so they can sell it less expensively!
So now we have more PDMLers bitching about yet another Pentax release!
Sighhh.
keith
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!

It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, 
-ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and


M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. 
It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" mount 
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are


being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this 
is old argument JCO

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is 
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?

Shel

From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the

equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.






--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Chinon 135 f2.8

[Peter J. Alling]

Jeez, you already bought it, you're going to try it out, why ask us.  
You can decide for yourself.

Robert Woerner wrote:
Hey you third party folks,
Is the Chinon 135 f2.8 K-mount any good? Bokeh, etc.I bought one today REAL
inexpensive. I'm going to try it out this week and am curious about other
users impressions. It was appealing because it is light, bright and CHEAP.
Robert

 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: OT - Canon mailing list?

[Peter J. Alling]

Cotty wrote:
On 15/9/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

We have characters here?
-frank
   

Does a lumberjack wear suspenders?
 

and a bra?  (you knew there would be Python content eventually).
Cheers,
 Cotty
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--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: OT - Canon mailing list?

[Peter J. Alling]

Cotty wrote:
On 15/9/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

A friend  with a 300D (who is too lazy to do a google search) wants to 
know if anyone is familiar with a good Canon (general or DSLR) mailing 
list.  Any of you Canon weenies have a suggestion?

Thanks.
   


It is a pale reflection of the PDML, but it does exist. Several of the
contributors are very knowledgeable and one notable subscriber is a chap
called Henry Posner who runs, I believe, the second-hand photo gear dept
at B and H.

Very light traffic and no 'characters' like wot we got 'ere guv. I get
 

Character(s) we got character(s), maybe bad character...
general bemusement if I mention Pentax lenses on EOS bodies. Like: 'why?'
Mind you, similar reaction here ;-)

Cheers,
 Cotty
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--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Peter J. Alling]

Only that the *ist-ds lacks some of the controls that the *ist-d 
includes.  The stop down metering
is accomplished by pressing on the green button while the lens and 
camera are in manual mode.  This can't
be done on the *ist-ds.  Maybe they have implemented my suggestion of 
instantaneous stop down metering,
but I doubt it.  That leaves some other method of accomplishing stop 
down metering with the existing controls
and nothing seems nearly as straight forward as the *ist-d method.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is there
anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?
Shel
 

From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   

 

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.
   

 

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the
 

equipment
 

drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.
 


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Don't recall any Pentax cameras earlier than the Spotmatic F capable of
open aperture metering under any condition. 

Shel 

> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperture Priority AE, -ON
> THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO
> > JCO

Re: Queen Elizabeth Park gallery (complete)

[Alan Chan]

I have considered that too but I am still learning on how to present the 
pictures better. Guess I have to keep looking.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
First, the copyright notice is too big to my taste.
_
Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new 
MSN Search! Check it out!

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Keith Whaley]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30 
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is acceptable?
This is a consumer grade digicam, JC. Not another *ist-D!
It's _meant_ to have less features, so they can sell it less expensively!
So now we have more PDMLers bitching about yet another Pentax release!
Sighhh.
keith
JCO 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!

It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt
inconvenienced.

Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON 
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and

M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. 
It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the "K" mount 
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are

being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this 
is old argument JCO

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is 
there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good?

Shel

From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now.

Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" lens for the istDS.

Re: istDs - what a great camera!

[Keith Whaley]

Treena wrote:
I know I won't complain. This is exactly what I wanted, and possibly at a
far better price than I'd hoped. I've read the release over several times,
and I can't help thinking this sounds more and more like the zx-5n of the
digital line. 
Only a lot better spec'd!
keith
And that would keep me happy for a very long time.

- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!

They probably are identical. Pentax decides not to cheapen the new
camera where it matters and folk complain. Oh well.
[...]

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Steve ...

Leica for one   And the istd will allow Pentax and other brand lenses
to be used that are quite a bit older than 30 years.  But your point is
well made

Shel

> From: Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
> you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
> the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
> with Nikon, Canon, etc.  
>
> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
> Pentax M&K lenses!
>
>
> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
> > like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
> > Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
> > lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
> > both open aperture for approximately the last 30 
> > years. You say you want to move forward with digital
> > but this major operational feature removal is
> > acceptable?

Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[Caveman]

Hey Jens I clicked on "previous" and found some good stuff you were 
hiding from us ;-)

Jens Bladt wrote:
Encouraged by your positive comment , I have posted a vertical shot from the
same scenery at:
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7582301.html
Cheers

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Look, I'm a very big proponent of both backwards compatibility (in all
things, not just cameras) and perhaps an even greater proponent of manual
gear than most other people on this list.  When the istD came out it was
almost impossible to use the K and M lenses on the camera, although,
surprisingly, the old screw mounts worked perfectly as I understand it -
perhaps even better than on the original Spotties since shutter speed
didn't have to be adjusted.  I was a little disappointed, but the
workaround - if you choose to call it that - essentially solved the
compatibility problem of the K and M lenses, certainly well enough for just
about everyone on the list who bought an istD.  Paul's recent action shots
seem lend credence to the ability of the K and M lens to do work quite well
in the istd.  OTOH, you seem to be the biggest complainer, yet you don't
have a Pentax DSLR, have never used the workaround to see how easy or
difficult it may be to use.  To some that may seem a little odd.

In reality, complete backwards compatibility has to be given up at some
point in order to move forward.  I don't like it, I'm not sure that's true
in EVERY case - and since I'm no techie-digi-equipment-gearhead I can't
speak to how difficult or easy it would be to have made the istD 100%
compatible with every lens ever produced by Pentax - but that's the way it
is. Parts from my newer Mercedes don't fit on my 1972 model, and there's
not a damned thing on my beat up 1984 Toyota that will fit and work on a
newer one.

For all we know Pentax may have some  future plans for that body, or for
future lenses to be used on that and other bodies, that made it difficult
or impractical to use that cam that you speak of.  We don't know.  But what
we do have is a fix for the original problem that seems to satisfy all but
the most critical (non)user of the istD.  And when you add all this to the
fact that every lens pentax ever made for 35mm cameras, plus other formats,
plus lenses from other manufacturers, will now work on the istD, there's
nothing to complain about, IMO.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2004 1:09:28 PM
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>
> I know the camera cant do open aperture metering/AE at all
> based on discussions when the camera came out.
> That is NOT a good thing. That is a big reason I DON'T
> own and use one. I don't buy things that don't have what
> I want/need.
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>
>
> So then you're not familiar with how the istD uses the older lenses, is
> that correct?
>
> > From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 9/15/2004 11:17:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> >
> > I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M
>
> > mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing 
> > cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the 
> > relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture 
> > metering? JCO

Re: All is well.

[Juey Chong Ong]

On Sep 15, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Ryan Lee wrote:
Don't forget to keep a loaded camera round your neck so just in case 
you get
swept up, you can take pictures of flying cattle!
Flying alligators could be more interesting.
Take care, Cesar!
--jc

Re: Ebay statistiscs in xls file needed

[mike wilson]

Czesc Jarek,
Jarek Dabrowski wrote:
Hello PDML,
I can't find in the PDML archive the link to the statisctics of 
completed auctions with Pentax lenses. Can anyone help ?

Thanks, Jerry

You mean this?
http://www.jcolwell.ca/_SPLOSdb/
mike
(duzygrubymichal)

RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot

[Jens Bladt]

Encouraged by your positive comment , I have posted a vertical shot from the
same scenery at:
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7582301.html
Cheers

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 15. september 2004 21:50
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers


I have been shooting pictures for the last two days at work - for a
municipla planning publication (strategic plan). This is why I had my *ist D
with me.
I have many shots from this scene - including several vertical shots.
I'll try to post some.
Thanks a lot.
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 15. september 2004 20:32
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:35:51 +0200, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On my way home from work, I drove by the local Yact Club, when the weather
> suddenly changed to rain.
> I came across these wind surfers:
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7576484.html
>
> Comments welcome

Cool shot, Jens!!  That should be on the cover of a magazine or
something.  Cotty?  You out there?  

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[Steve Pearson]

Dude, 

Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses?  That is the beauty of
the Pentax system.  If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.  

For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD.  You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
> like  one shot AE with exposure lock only.
> Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
> lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
> both open aperture for approximately the last 30 
> years. You say you want to move forward with digital
> but this major operational feature removal is
> acceptable?
> 
> JCO 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> 
> 
> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
> simple push of the
> green button. It will set the shutter speed
> automatically, so you really
> have only one motion to complete, pushing the
> button. I don't understand
> why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
> situations with constantly
> changing exposure and have never experienced a
> problem or felt
> inconvenienced.
> 
> 
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> > 
> > 
> > It now does open aperture metered manual and
> Aperure Priority AE, -ON 
> > THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
> JCO
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
> works fine with K and
> 
> > M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
> > 
> > 
> > > "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
> could get any worse. 
> > > It should get better, not worse. Not fully
> supporting the "K" mount 
> > > is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
> and M lenses that are
> 
> > > being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
> technical reasons. But this 
> > > is old argument JCO
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shel Belinkoff
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > While I understand that it's too early to make
> final judgments, is 
> > > there anything to suggest that the support won't
> be as good?
> > > 
> > > Shel
> > > 
> > > > From: Peter J. Alling
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > > Only if the K/M support is at least as good as
> the *ist-D has now.
> > > 
> > > > >Hmmm  just thinking out loud here ...
> that M24~35 zoom in the
> > > equipment
> > > > >drawer should make a pretty nice "normal"
> lens for the istDS.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 


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RE: istDs - what a great camera!

[J. C. O'Connell]

I know the camera cant do open aperture metering/AE at all
based on discussions when the camera came out.
That is NOT a good thing. That is a big reason I DON'T
own and use one. I don't buy things that don't have what
I want/need.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!


So then you're not familiar with how the istD uses the older lenses, is
that correct?

> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2004 11:17:07 AM
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>
> I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M

> mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing 
> cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the 
> relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture 
> metering? JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
>
>
> I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and

> M lenses. I use them nearly every day.

Re: OT - Canon mailing list?

[Cotty]

On 15/9/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A friend  with a 300D (who is too lazy to do a google search) wants to 
>know if anyone is familiar with a good Canon (general or DSLR) mailing 
>list.  Any of you Canon weenies have a suggestion?
>
>Thanks.


It is a pale reflection of the PDML, but it does exist. Several of the
contributors are very knowledgeable and one notable subscriber is a chap
called Henry Posner who runs, I believe, the second-hand photo gear dept
at B and H.



Very light traffic and no 'characters' like wot we got 'ere guv. I get
general bemusement if I mention Pentax lenses on EOS bodies. Like: 'why?'
Mind you, similar reaction here ;-)



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: New Sigma Ring Flash

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Look nice... do you know how much it costs?
Cotty wrote:

Is there a Pentax ring flash?
 

Re: New Sigma Ring Flash

[Cotty]

On 15/9/04, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty stopped brewing his tea long enough to write:

LOL. Cheeky ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Minolta is game again, where is heading Pentax!?

[Cotty]

On 16/9/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Once Cotty gets the aperture simulator sorted on his K-to-EOS kludge I'll
>be in 
>there like a flash (as long as he doesn't charge too much for all the lens 
>conversions ) :-)

Hah! Not very likely, I'm not an engineer. I just do enough to get me by.
I can use a Pentax K or A lens on a non-Pentax camera in stop-down
metering mode using manual or aperture priority. As far as I can gather,
this is what *ist D users have to do anyway. Given that I love manual
focus SMC lenses but prefer features on a DSLR not found on a Pentax
model, it simply seems a logical progression to adapt.

I'm still a Pentax fan.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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