Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On 15/8/06, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: You've disappeared off the face of the earth! Where have you BEEN? Oh I'm still here. Busy renovating a house, preparing to be self-employed, just the usual stuff ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
On 8/16/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fairly sure we've seen the same news. It's the big part of the news, right? Pentax Norway showed me a slide presentation which had CONFIDENTIAL spelled out in red letters on all the pages, so my lips are Sealed. Not entirely sure what you mean about the big part, there were several bits of info to Mount my tension. With all the posts over the subject I really wish I could Mute some of the Noise on the list, but the press release to be timed before Photokina will unveil the secrets, I'm sure. Jostein bleeding from biting his tongue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Hey, I already suggested that. They could invert the electromagnetic SR actuators to act as dynamos, and collect energy when the camera is moved but not used .-) DagT Fra: Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know, it doesn't require batteries. :) Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
Fra: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 8/16/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fairly sure we've seen the same news. It's the big part of the news, right? Pentax Norway showed me a slide presentation which had CONFIDENTIAL spelled out in red letters on all the pages, so my lips are Sealed. Not entirely sure what you mean about the big part, there were several bits of info to Mount my tension. With all the posts over the subject I really wish I could Mute some of the Noise on the list, but the press release to be timed before Photokina will unveil the secrets, I'm sure. Jostein bleeding from biting his tongue. Argh, I'll have to find some excuse to visit Pentax Norway. They showed me some preliminary stuff when I got the 21mm, but it had lots of uncertainties and I must have missed the best part. It did look like a nice camera... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
My guess is it will take pictures. Dave On 8/16/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: I know what it is:was: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Fra: Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] After reading the patent file DagT posted, even though I could only get the first page of drawings to download. It seems to me this must be the break through. http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?DB=EPODOCIDX=US7084915F=0QPN=US7084915 I think the patent states that the Image Pump cancels out the dark current, so no more noisy shadows and eliminates blooming, and perhaps effects over exposure? Powell I think the fairly broad claim 8 gives the best summary on what they are doing. (Press Claims in the menu on top of the espace page) Note that this may be the first of a number of applications. The inventor, Sato Koichi, is also the inventor of a number og Japanese patent applications that has been filed recently with the title Solid State imaging element and Solid state imaging device . Moire reduction without AA filter, improved aperture of light sensing diodes, microlenses covering more than one pixel etc. They are working on something related to the sensora nd it makes lots of interesting reading for those who are also interested in the technology. Use the advanced search option of espacenet and search for Sato Koichi as inventor (he seems tyo be the key inventor) and Pentax as applicant. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: left handed digital PS?
As best as I can recall the Exakta was the only left-handed camera made, and it was not truly designed as a left-handed camera but to be used on a copy stand. Oh well, those guys are only 20% of the population anyway. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Sullivan wrote: Does anybody make a digital for lefties? A friend at the office survived a terrible car accident, but with permanent damage to his right side. He can't even hold a PS camera with his right hand. And using the left hand on a digital makes all the controls inaccessible. Suggestions anybody? (He's a new dad!) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Stop looking vaguely towards the north, sir, I am not biting. Kostas (the mechanical actuators are gone) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Dream Truck
Thanks Ken. No, I don't think it can pull the wheels, but I bet it can handle quite a load. Paul On Aug 16, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Nice interpretative capture Paul, but I bet it can't do a wheelie! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Dream Truck Or is it a nightmare:-). In any case, the Dream Cruise is in full tilt. Judging by the speed of the traffic I would guess there were at least 10,000 rods, classics and customs on Woodward tonight. Spectators were ten deep in some places and prevalent for at least five miles, probably over 100,000. And the cruise doesn't happen until Saturday. It's going to be the biggest ever. I'm not sure if that is good or bad. Too big is just too big. I shot some slow speed pans. My favorite might be this truck: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4811959size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: A lens with shutterblades, will allow high shutterspeeds, when using a flash. Nope, I don't have one of those for the 67. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
- The sensor is larger than APS-C? - The sensor can be changed buy the user? Those are my best guess's. Dave At 06:46 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
OK, another go (not sure if it was mentioned before or if the other DSLR's don't have it): double exposure; maybe it will even allow to double expose not only the last shot but any shot that's already on the card. Maybe it will also allow to preview the double exposure effect? (but the latter is for sure not a 67-feature either!). Double exposure is trivial on the 67, but it requires some tweaking on regular 35mm SLR's, right? But I doubt that this is the kind of feature to close your deal :-( Or even better: double exposure using blue screen technology: first you go into the city or countryside and shoot some nice sceneries. Then in the studio, you put the model in front of the blue screen and the camera pastes it into the scenery shot of your selection. (oops, imagination running loose again --- ignore the last attempt) groeten, Vic - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 12:43 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: A lens with shutterblades, will allow high shutterspeeds, when using a flash. Nope, I don't have one of those for the 67. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 4 Gig SD card for the DS?
Hmm, it's only cheaper after doing a mail-in rebate, which I despise. Are you sure that the latest firmware won't support 4 gig? There was that update once upon a time that allowed cards in excess of 1 gig. Is 2 gig really the current limit? I suppose I could get a pair of 2 gig cards, but it would be nicer, and slightly cheaper, if the 4 gig card would work. I'm less likely to lose a card that stays in my camera all the time, as opposed to a card that is floating around in my camera bag half the time. :) thanks, Glen At 12:59 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote: Newegg.com is cheaper by about $20.00 ... http://tinyurl.com/ovehd I'd go with the Transcend card because it's a known quality and I know it's SDHC compliant. Doesn't matter anyway, the DS won't be able to use the 4GB card at this time. If Pentax upgrades the firmware, it will probably be able to use such a card, providing the card is SDHC compliant. Best bet right now is the 150X 2GB Transcend @ Newegg. Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I found the following 4 gig SD cards, and I'm thinking of getting one for the DS: http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.862/.f?sc=2category=694 http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1004/.f?sc=2category=694 Are either of these brands more desirable than the other? What are your thoughts in general about getting either one of these cards? Anyone have any comments on the vendor? Can I get a better price elsewhere? (Needs to be a USA source.) Most importantly, the *istDS will work with a 4 gig card, won't it? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: I know what it is:was: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Having no time to audit the Holy Crap thread, to eliminate what Aaron has negatoried and reconsider his ambiguous answers, I'm going to have a stab. Why not? It's fun and after all it was Aaron who opened up Pandora's Box, what does he expect of us inquisitive types who don't work in retail and have insider knowledge? I've no background in electronics to understand what the patent documents say, but I do know that a big gripe about digital capture is that the exposure is recorded lineally, ie the brightest stop gets half the bit depth, the second brightest stop gets the next quarter of all the bit depth, etc. Eventually, the darkest discernible stop only has two or three levels in it. Perhaps Pentax has implemented logarithmic exposure (logE as film is measured) rather than linear exposure. Just a guess, and just for fun ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2006 7:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I know what it is:was: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body (snip) I think the fairly broad claim 8 gives the best summary on what they are doing. (Press Claims in the menu on top of the espace page) Note that this may be the first of a number of applications. The inventor, Sato Koichi, is also the inventor of a number og Japanese patent applications that has been filed recently with the title Solid State imaging element and Solid state imaging device . Moire reduction without AA filter, improved aperture of light sensing diodes, microlenses covering more than one pixel etc. They are working on something related to the sensora nd it makes lots of interesting reading for those who are also interested in the technology. Use the advanced search option of espacenet and search for Sato Koichi as inventor (he seems tyo be the key inventor) and Pentax as applicant. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
They shoot film. They shoot (relatively) big film. See my related post in the I know what it is thread. Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2006 8:46 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body (snip) Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -Aaron /pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Way closer. What else? -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 am Size: 449 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
hmmm... This guessing game is more about which features Aaron treasure most in his 67, than it is about new features in the K10D. My interpretation of the patent link Dag posted is that it looks like a way to reek out noise produced by the sensor, in such a way that it could be implemented at all shutter speeds without any significant penalty in performance. It is also tempting to speculate that the useable dynamic range of the sensor will increase as a result of this, but the proof will be in the pudding. Jostein On 8/16/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: A lens with shutterblades, will allow high shutterspeeds, when using a flash. Nope, I don't have one of those for the 67. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise Yes. Maybe he thinks (application of) the patent you posted will reduce the noise and/or improve the dynamic range to the level of the 6x7 format. I think he will be disappointed. Maybe not if he thinks that the current digital images are *only just* below the quality of the 6x7, but if he is of the opinion that they are a lot poorer and the no-brainer feature is just stick in a hardware component that will remove all the noise... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Why would either of these prompt me to sell my 67? I don't care about any technical tomfoolery -- so what is it that I do care about? Also, when there are lovely modern superwides out there, what does the sensor size matter? -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:59 am Size: 518 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net - The sensor is larger than APS-C? - The sensor can be changed buy the user? Those are my best guess's. Dave At 06:46 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
At 07:13 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: Also, when there are lovely modern superwides out there, what does the sensor size matter? Sensor noise. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
I think that current digital SLR images are well below the quality of 67. I do not know anything about that patent at all. I did not bring that patent up. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:25 am Size: 837 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise Yes. Maybe he thinks (application of) the patent you posted will reduce the noise and/or improve the dynamic range to the level of the 6x7 format. I think he will be disappointed. Maybe not if he thinks that the current digital images are *only just* below the quality of the 6x7, but if he is of the opinion that they are a lot poorer and the no-brainer feature is just stick in a hardware component that will remove all the noise... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. It impresses chicks? -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Colder. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:27 am Size: 247 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 07:13 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: Also, when there are lovely modern superwides out there, what does the sensor size matter? Sensor noise. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
That doesn't help. Dave :-) At 07:37 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: Colder. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:13 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: Also, when there are lovely modern superwides out there, what does the sensor size matter? Sensor noise. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Shallow DOF .-) In my view the reduced noise is equivalent to increase dynamic range. Maybe they are able to utilize all of the 16bit depth of the RAW format. On the other hand this is advanced technology and wouldn't be considered to be a no-brainer. DagT Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Way closer. What else? -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 am Size: 449 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: double exposure; The ist-D and Fuji S3 already do that. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
At 07:43 PM 16/08/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. It impresses chicks? Cool. The K10D has a stud mode. Woo hoo. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:46, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. Resolution is the only thing I can come up with. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
The weight. That's the significant feature of the 67. They've obviously strapped a lead bar underneath the K10D. My Pentax weighs more than your Canon, Cotty, so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! They'll sell millions. Tall, bald, cameramen everywhere will love 'em. And the slogan: No need for a gymn, just carry a Pentax! Killer feature, you must admit. John On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:05:00 +0100, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way closer. What else? -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 am Size: 449 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: left handed digital PS?
Op Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:06:36 +0200 schreef Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anybody make a digital for lefties? A friend at the office survived a terrible car accident, but with permanent damage to his right side. He can't even hold a PS camera with his right hand. And using the left hand on a digital makes all the controls inaccessible. Suggestions anybody? (He's a new dad!) First: congratulations to your friend, both with his survival and with his kid! There are some digicams with most controls on the left (Sony Cybershot DSC-T7 for instance). Unfortunately, the notable exception is the shutter release button, so he'd have to test whether that is accessible. Some other things worth investigating might be the twist-and-flip designs: Pentax Optio X, Nikon Coolpix S4 or Sony Cybershot DSC-M2. The last one looks the most left-hand-friendly, but again: I'd test that myself if I were your friend. An other thing I can think of -short of putting standard innards in a custom body- is 'fixing' a remote control to the left of a digicam. Not a very elegant solution, but it might be workeable. Hope this helps -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Oops I didn't get further than the Super A yet, but I like this discussion anyway, so forgive my ignorence... Groeten, Vic - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 01:47 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: double exposure; The ist-D and Fuji S3 already do that. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
The Canon 1Ds is about tha same weight as the 67... DagT Fra: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The weight. That's the significant feature of the 67. They've obviously strapped a lead bar underneath the K10D. My Pentax weighs more than your Canon, Cotty, so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! They'll sell millions. Tall, bald, cameramen everywhere will love 'em. And the slogan: No need for a gymn, just carry a Pentax! Killer feature, you must admit. John On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:05:00 +0100, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way closer. What else? -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 am Size: 449 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Op Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:09:03 +0200 schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops I didn't get further than the Super A yet, but I like this discussion anyway, so forgive my ignorence... The Super A can do double exposures as well :o) Van: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: double exposure; The ist-D and Fuji S3 already do that. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
DagT wrote: In my view the reduced noise is equivalent to increase dynamic range. Not necessarily equivalent, but reduced noise certainly could be the *result* of increased dynamic range: Increased bit depth could conceivably facilitate the use of more advanced noise reduction algorithms that do more noise reduction with less damage to fine detail in the image. Maybe they are able to utilize all of the 16bit depth of the RAW format. This isn't Pentax, but NuCore has apparently done it: http://www.nucoretech.com/nu3/10_company/corp_backgrounder.html#products -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
hmmm... This guessing game is more about which features Aaron treasure most in his 67, than it is about new features in the K10D. My interpretation of the patent link Dag posted is that it looks like a way to reek out noise produced by the sensor, in such a way that it could be implemented at all shutter speeds without any significant penalty in performance. It is also tempting to speculate that the useable dynamic range of the sensor will increase as a result of this, but the proof will be in the pudding. They way I read the patent (but I haven't studied it very closely), it addresses certain specific conditions where the (dark) noise is particularly significant. I'm quite sure the method could improve the usable range under those conditions; the dynamic range of the actual sensor is essentially a direct function of the noise, isn't it? However, I also suspect that these conditions were not really taken into account when the bit depth was chosen, so the dynamic range would not increase beyond the one associated with 12 bits - if you know what I mean. (When we discussed exposure setup etc. I while back, I speculated that sensor designers might be defensive in the sense that they chose the A/D so that its full range would be usable even under worst-case scenarios, but based on information I found on the net, I concluded that they aren't.) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
... and they can use it to hit a nail into the wall to hang their most beautiful pictures... Groeten, Vic - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 02:00 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body The weight. That's the significant feature of the 67. They've obviously strapped a lead bar underneath the K10D. My Pentax weighs more than your Canon, Cotty, so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! They'll sell millions. Tall, bald, cameramen everywhere will love 'em. And the slogan: No need for a gymn, just carry a Pentax! Killer feature, you must admit. John On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:05:00 +0100, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way closer. What else? -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 am Size: 449 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Fra: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. No grain/noise DagT -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Colder. -Aaron You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:27 am Size: 247 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 07:13 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: Also, when there are lovely modern superwides out there, what does the sensor size matter? Sensor noise. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Aaron Reynolds wrote: I think that current digital SLR images are well below the quality of 67. I do not know anything about that patent at all. I did not bring that patent up. I know you didn't, but there are also speculations about noise reduction hardware floating about, that may or may not be related to the same patent. I thought you might have heard about even though you haven't been told about the actual patent... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 Gig SD card for the DS?
2GB is the limit for the SD spec. There are some 4GB SD cards available, but they aren't guaranteed to work in anything and thus probably won't. For 4GB and up, they need to be SDHC cards, and the only camera to support the SDHC cards right now is the K100D with the latest firmware. -Adam Glen wrote: Hmm, it's only cheaper after doing a mail-in rebate, which I despise. Are you sure that the latest firmware won't support 4 gig? There was that update once upon a time that allowed cards in excess of 1 gig. Is 2 gig really the current limit? I suppose I could get a pair of 2 gig cards, but it would be nicer, and slightly cheaper, if the 4 gig card would work. I'm less likely to lose a card that stays in my camera all the time, as opposed to a card that is floating around in my camera bag half the time. :) thanks, Glen At 12:59 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote: Newegg.com is cheaper by about $20.00 ... http://tinyurl.com/ovehd I'd go with the Transcend card because it's a known quality and I know it's SDHC compliant. Doesn't matter anyway, the DS won't be able to use the 4GB card at this time. If Pentax upgrades the firmware, it will probably be able to use such a card, providing the card is SDHC compliant. Best bet right now is the 150X 2GB Transcend @ Newegg. Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I found the following 4 gig SD cards, and I'm thinking of getting one for the DS: http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.862/.f?sc=2category=694 http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1004/.f?sc=2category=694 Are either of these brands more desirable than the other? What are your thoughts in general about getting either one of these cards? Anyone have any comments on the vendor? Can I get a better price elsewhere? (Needs to be a USA source.) Most importantly, the *istDS will work with a 4 gig card, won't it? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On 16/08/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They way I read the patent (but I haven't studied it very closely), it addresses certain specific conditions where the (dark) noise is particularly significant. I'm quite sure the method could improve the usable range under those conditions; the dynamic range of the actual sensor is essentially a direct function of the noise, isn't it? However, I also suspect that these conditions were not really taken into account when the bit depth was chosen, so the dynamic range would not increase beyond the one associated with 12 bits - if you know what I mean. (When we discussed exposure setup etc. I while back, I speculated that sensor designers might be defensive in the sense that they chose the A/D so that its full range would be usable even under worst-case scenarios, but based on information I found on the net, I concluded that they aren't.) Probably damn close until you implement cryogenic cooling. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Mark Roberts wrote: DagT wrote: In my view the reduced noise is equivalent to increase dynamic range. Not necessarily equivalent, but reduced noise certainly could be the *result* of increased dynamic range: Increased bit depth could conceivably facilitate the use of more advanced noise reduction algorithms that do more noise reduction with less damage to fine detail in the image. No, I think he refers to an actual reduction of noise at the signal-level, not a removal of noise from the digital data, and sees this the other way around (more or less.) Less noise means that you can actually use a larger subset of the range of charges in the sensor, so as to speak. See http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/digitalimaging/concepts/dynamicrange.html - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Dream Truck
Even trucks on the dream cruise? Wow! Nice interpretation Paul. Regards, Bob S. On 8/15/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it a nightmare:-). In any case, the Dream Cruise is in full tilt. Judging by the speed of the traffic I would guess there were at least 10,000 rods, classics and customs on Woodward tonight. Spectators were ten deep in some places and prevalent for at least five miles, probably over 100,000. And the cruise doesn't happen until Saturday. It's going to be the biggest ever. I'm not sure if that is good or bad. Too big is just too big. I shot some slow speed pans. My favorite might be this truck: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4811959size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't help. Sure it does. Colder sensors produce less noise. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) No, I didn't mean that no grain/noise was close. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
I always think about sensors pixels as small buckets catching light particles. After one measurement cycle, the number of particles in each bucket are counted and that's the raw pixel value. A bucket has a ceratin contents. If it's full and particles keep falling in, they will spill over and not be measured (these are highlights being blown out). Also, there's some ennoying drizzle of light particles that's continuously there (this is the noise). At low light level, only few particles fall in the bucket, and the drizzle particles will mask the actual light signal you're measuring. Now how to reduce the impact of the drizzle particles on the final raw pixel values? There is only one way: increase the exposure. But then the highlights will be blown out! So now we have to rescue the highlights. I wonder if it is feasible to look into the buckets during exposure and if a bucket fills, very quickly empty it and keep track of this. Then after a complete exposure, just add 4096 (if it's a 12 bit sensor) to the raw pixel value of the emptied buckets and you've increased the sensor's dynamic range by one stop, while the noise level stays the same. You could even imagine repeating this procedure multiple times. Another approach may be to measure how quickly a particular bucket fills and extrapolate this measurement to get the number of particles that would have hit the bucket if it would have been large enough (and assuming that light intensity on each pixel stays the same during the exposure---may cause strange effects on moving subjects). But still, this most probably involves new sensor technology, and we're not looking for that, are we? Groeten, Vic - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Toralf Lund [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 02:59 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Mark Roberts wrote: DagT wrote: In my view the reduced noise is equivalent to increase dynamic range. Not necessarily equivalent, but reduced noise certainly could be the *result* of increased dynamic range: Increased bit depth could conceivably facilitate the use of more advanced noise reduction algorithms that do more noise reduction with less damage to fine detail in the image. No, I think he refers to an actual reduction of noise at the signal-level, not a removal of noise from the digital data, and sees this the other way around (more or less.) Less noise means that you can actually use a larger subset of the range of charges in the sensor, so as to speak. See http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/digitalimaging/concepts/dynamicrange.html - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Aaron, Going back to the source might help me to dig out your meaning. It addresses my most basic complaint about digital. We've explored noise reduction, but you seem to have gone cold on that approach ;-) A few people have mentioned resolution but not followed it up (I believe they mean resolving power a.k.a. sharpness). OK, I'll bite. We know that the killer of sharpness is the anti-moiré filter. When Nikon released the D70 they only used a weak anti-moiré filter, for improved sharpness at the risk of moiré when textiles etc. were shot. They apparently got away with it and the D70 and its derivatives have been praised for their sharper pictures. What if the anti-moiré filter were made retractable/removable, or dispensed with altogether and moiré control implemented in software? Instead of reducing the sharpness of every shot for the sake of the few that suffered from moiré, you might get the best sharpness possible most of the time and only bring in moiré control when needed. Regards, Anthony Farr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: 6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. I wouldn't sell my 67 for this. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 4 Gig SD card for the DS?
Right now only the new cameras, maybe only the K100D, will work with a 4GB card, and they need a firmware upgrade, and the cards must be SDHC compliant. The DS, with firmware 2.0, can only use a card with a maximum capacity of 2GB. I know the 4GB Transcend card is SDHC compliant. Go to resellerratings.com and check out the comments on the shops you are considering making a purchase from. You'll find the newegg is rating very highly. Can't say the same for the store you mentioned. Get a card case so your cards don't have to be floating around in your camera bag half the time. BTW, many people prefer using a couple of smaller capacity cards instead of one huge card. They feel that if anything were to go wrong with the card, fewer images would be at risk. FWIW, I use this case: http://tinyurl.com/llw7z It's a bit of overkill, but it's already saved a card and paid for itself. Shel [Original Message] From: Glen Hmm, it's only cheaper after doing a mail-in rebate, which I despise. Are you sure that the latest firmware won't support 4 gig? There was that update once upon a time that allowed cards in excess of 1 gig. Is 2 gig really the current limit? I suppose I could get a pair of 2 gig cards, but it would be nicer, and slightly cheaper, if the 4 gig card would work. I'm less likely to lose a card that stays in my camera all the time, as opposed to a card that is floating around in my camera bag half the time. :) thanks, Glen At 12:59 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote: Newegg.com is cheaper by about $20.00 ... http://tinyurl.com/ovehd I'd go with the Transcend card because it's a known quality and I know it's SDHC compliant. Doesn't matter anyway, the DS won't be able to use the 4GB card at this time. If Pentax upgrades the firmware, it will probably be able to use such a card, providing the card is SDHC compliant. Best bet right now is the 150X 2GB Transcend @ Newegg. Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I found the following 4 gig SD cards, and I'm thinking of getting one for the DS: http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.862/.f?sc=2category=694 http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1004/.f?sc=2category=694 Are either of these brands more desirable than the other? What are your thoughts in general about getting either one of these cards? Anyone have any comments on the vendor? Can I get a better price elsewhere? (Needs to be a USA source.) Most importantly, the *istDS will work with a 4 gig card, won't it? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Aaron, * Biggest disadvantage with digital: you are stuck with one type of film: the CCD it is born with. * Best with (67) film camera: you can select your film any time! Solution to Holy Crap: Interchangeable CCD sensors. Pentax comes with one CCD sensor optimized for high ISO (6Mp?), and one for low ISO (10Mp). That was easy... Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 15:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: 6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. I wouldn't sell my 67 for this. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K100D anti-shake at 800mm
All taken with FA*400/5.6 and 2X-L teleconverter, handheld. The first one at 1/90s, the rest at 1/125s. One of the chimney pics is done with AS, one without. http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0809.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0810.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0813.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0814.jpg It is definately a Good Thing. best, Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
At 09:26 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) No, I didn't mean that no grain/noise was close. -Aaron You said no grain/noise was Way closer. If you didn't mean that, how are we supposed to solve this riddle? :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D anti-shake at 800mm
Oh, btw. Bandwidth warning; they're full size JPEGs, compressed to about half a megabyte each. Content warning: Flags, flowers and buildings. Disclaimer: The poster is not responsible for any damage done to you, your computer, or your incentive to buy Pentax cameras as a result of viewing these images. Jostein On 8/16/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All taken with FA*400/5.6 and 2X-L teleconverter, handheld. The first one at 1/90s, the rest at 1/125s. One of the chimney pics is done with AS, one without. http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0809.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0810.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0813.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0814.jpg It is definately a Good Thing. best, Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K100D at Henrys now
Might be old news, but last week or so i checked, the camera was for order only, now i see they have stock of them. Several options, body, body and 1 lens, body and two lenses. Dave Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Another shot from the scattergun - The noise being reduced isn't image noise, but AF motor and screwdriver noise. The K10D finally launches a USM capable Pentax. Regards, Anthony Farr (loving this speculation game, the most fun I've had on the list for an age) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
No. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Lie Arne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:53 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Aaron, * Biggest disadvantage with digital: you are stuck with one type of film: the CCD it is born with. * Best with (67) film camera: you can select your film any time! Solution to Holy Crap: Interchangeable CCD sensors. Pentax comes with one CCD sensor optimized for high ISO (6Mp?), and one for low ISO (10Mp). That was easy... Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 15:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: 6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. I wouldn't sell my 67 for this. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Nope. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:54 am Size: 1K To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Aaron, Going back to the source might help me to dig out your meaning. It addresses my most basic complaint about digital. We've explored noise reduction, but you seem to have gone cold on that approach ;-) A few people have mentioned resolution but not followed it up (I believe they mean resolving power a.k.a. sharpness). OK, I'll bite. We know that the killer of sharpness is the anti-moiré filter. When Nikon released the D70 they only used a weak anti-moiré filter, for improved sharpness at the risk of moiré when textiles etc. were shot. They apparently got away with it and the D70 and its derivatives have been praised for their sharper pictures. What if the anti-moiré filter were made retractable/removable, or dispensed with altogether and moiré control implemented in software? Instead of reducing the sharpness of every shot for the sake of the few that suffered from moiré, you might get the best sharpness possible most of the time and only bring in moiré control when needed. Regards, Anthony Farr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Fra: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another shot from the scattergun - The noise being reduced isn't image noise, but AF motor and screwdriver noise. The K10D finally launches a USM capable Pentax. OK, I wont send another patent link. I did that a couple of weeks ago .-) After one of the posts from Jostein I think I may agree with you there Regards, Anthony Farr (loving this speculation game, the most fun I've had on the list for an age) I Agree .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Higher resultion, better dynamics, shallow DOF! Naturally the resulution is better at 10Mp than at 6Mp. Shallow DOF is not ONLY good. This leaves only better dynamics: Larger colour depth and perhaps better defence against burned out highlights (perhaps by extra pixels - like the FUJI S3. Perhaps it DOES have a Fuji sensor ??? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. august 2006 12:46 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:55 AM, Cotty wrote: My guess is that the mount will be fully backwards compatible - eg no green button kludge. Why would I sell my 67 for that? Honestly, people -- WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A 6x7?? There really are not that many. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 08/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 08/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOCIDX=JP2006032913F=0 .-) DagT Fra: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron, Going back to the source might help me to dig out your meaning. It addresses my most basic complaint about digital. We've explored noise reduction, but you seem to have gone cold on that approach ;-) A few people have mentioned resolution but not followed it up (I believe they mean resolving power a.k.a. sharpness). OK, I'll bite. We know that the killer of sharpness is the anti-moiré filter. When Nikon released the D70 they only used a weak anti-moiré filter, for improved sharpness at the risk of moiré when textiles etc. were shot. They apparently got away with it and the D70 and its derivatives have been praised for their sharper pictures. What if the anti-moiré filter were made retractable/removable, or dispensed with altogether and moiré control implemented in software? Instead of reducing the sharpness of every shot for the sake of the few that suffered from moiré, you might get the best sharpness possible most of the time and only bring in moiré control when needed. Regards, Anthony Farr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
My 67 does not have AF. Again, it has already been said more than once by more than one person. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:07 am Size: 368 bytes To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Another shot from the scattergun - The noise being reduced isn't image noise, but AF motor and screwdriver noise. The K10D finally launches a USM capable Pentax. Regards, Anthony Farr (loving this speculation game, the most fun I've had on the list for an age) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
It's *closer* in that it's related to the right part of the improvement, but it's not *the thing*. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:50 am Size: 531 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 09:26 PM 16/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) No, I didn't mean that no grain/noise was close. -Aaron You said no grain/noise was Way closer. If you didn't mean that, how are we supposed to solve this riddle? :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (Very) A question for electronics gurus
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 16/08/06, Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya got a tough on there- I can't find it either. I found some vague references such as: http://www.hqew.com/stock/searchic.asp?keyword=ULA2G131E2 It may be custom, or it may just be a few mosfets in a package. Can you tell which pins are ground and power by chance? It's back in the machine hobbling along at the moment so I can't check pin-outs, if it's any help it's on a Remco motor control module. Thanks for the link Bill :-) You might want to try usenet sci.electronics.* - there are some really good people on there. Helped me fix a coupe of really weird items. -Ryan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
OK. Other limiting factor of digital is the linear CCD sensor, it is not non-linear as film. The latter is a benefit in avoiding burn-outs and loosing details in shadows. So, they (Pentax) are able to make the characteristcs of the CCD approaching more that of film when it comes to sensitivity. ??? Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 16:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body No. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Lie Arne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:53 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Aaron, * Biggest disadvantage with digital: you are stuck with one type of film: the CCD it is born with. * Best with (67) film camera: you can select your film any time! Solution to Holy Crap: Interchangeable CCD sensors. Pentax comes with one CCD sensor optimized for high ISO (6Mp?), and one for low ISO (10Mp). That was easy... Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 15:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: 6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. I wouldn't sell my 67 for this. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Dream Truck
Array of light and color make for interesting effect. Have you fiddled with trailing curtain at all? Would like to be in the press of activity...for awhile. :) Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it a nightmare:-). In any case, the Dream Cruise is in full tilt. Judging by the speed of the traffic I would guess there were at least 10,000 rods, classics and customs on Woodward tonight. Spectators were ten deep in some places and prevalent for at least five miles, probably over 100,000. And the cruise doesn't happen until Saturday. It's going to be the biggest ever. I'm not sure if that is good or bad. Too big is just too big. I shot some slow speed pans. My favorite might be this truck: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4811959size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
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RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
I made this suggestion a couple of hours ago, but there's been no response to it. That can mean two things. One is that the post never got to the people who matter. The second is that while incorrect guesses can be easily dismissed, something very close to the mark can't safely be touched due to the embargo. Here's my earlier unanswered post: - Having no time to audit the Holy Crap thread, to eliminate what Aaron has negatoried and reconsider his ambiguous answers, I'm going to have a stab. Why not? It's fun and after all it was Aaron who opened up Pandora's Box, what does he expect of us inquisitive types who don't work in retail and have insider knowledge? I've no background in electronics to understand what the patent documents say, but I do know that a big gripe about digital capture is that the exposure is recorded lineally, ie the brightest stop gets half the bit depth, the second brightest stop gets the next quarter of all the bit depth, etc. Eventually, the darkest discernible stop only has two or three levels in it. Perhaps Pentax has implemented logarithmic exposure (logE as film is measured) rather than linear exposure. Just a guess, and just for fun ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lie Arne Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body OK. Other limiting factor of digital is the linear CCD sensor, it is not non-linear as film. The latter is a benefit in avoiding burn-outs and loosing details in shadows. So, they (Pentax) are able to make the characteristcs of the CCD approaching more that of film when it comes to sensitivity. ??? Arne -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
OK, so let's browse through the thread again and look for all messages to which Aaron did not respond saying 'nope'. Groeten, Vic - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 04:16 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body My 67 does not have AF. Again, it has already been said more than once by more than one person. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:07 am Size: 368 bytes To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Another shot from the scattergun - The noise being reduced isn't image noise, but AF motor and screwdriver noise. The K10D finally launches a USM capable Pentax. Regards, Anthony Farr (loving this speculation game, the most fun I've had on the list for an age) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D at Henrys now
David J Brooks wrote: Might be old news, but last week or so i checked, the camera was for order only, now i see they have stock of them. Several options, body, body and 1 lens, body and two lenses. Dave Equine Photography in York Region Yep, Saw a demo unit there yesterday. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Non-linear sensor, but how? Since Aaron already told that there's no new sensor technology involved, only plain from-the-shelf technology... As I stated in my previous mail, the only way to reduce noise is to increase exposure, but then the highlights are gone. Can the highlights be suppressed in some way? I know there are glasses that darken when exposed to light... Could it be feasible to integrate such material right in front of the sensor, so it darkens as more light hits the sensor, thus suppressing the highlights and keeping the shadows untouched. The material should be fast-responding, obviously! If this would work, a linear sensor would deliver a non-linear output, covering more dynamic range! I doubt that it will be logaritmic, as film densities are, but it seems like a nice try. Groeten, Vic PS. I'm going to subscribe for some patents :-). If some of you aren't already... But hey, I'll sue you and use the PDML archive to proove the idea is mine! - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Lie Arne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 16, 2006 04:14 PM Aan: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Onderwerp: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body OK. Other limiting factor of digital is the linear CCD sensor, it is not non-linear as film. The latter is a benefit in avoiding burn-outs and loosing details in shadows. So, they (Pentax) are able to make the characteristcs of the CCD approaching more that of film when it comes to sensitivity. ??? Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 16:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body No. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Lie Arne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:53 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Aaron, * Biggest disadvantage with digital: you are stuck with one type of film: the CCD it is born with. * Best with (67) film camera: you can select your film any time! Solution to Holy Crap: Interchangeable CCD sensors. Pentax comes with one CCD sensor optimized for high ISO (6Mp?), and one for low ISO (10Mp). That was easy... Arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 16. august 2006 15:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: 6x7 format translates to fine art print sizes without cropping. In camera mask would make composing in a ratio similar to 6x7 easier and as I said earlier, an easy to use hyperfocal adjustment for foreground sharpness would be nice. I wouldn't sell my 67 for this. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D anti-shake at 800mm
On 8/16/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, btw. Bandwidth warning; they're full size JPEGs, compressed to about half a megabyte each. Content warning: Flags, flowers and buildings. Disclaimer: The poster is not responsible for any damage done to you, your computer, or your incentive to buy Pentax cameras as a result of viewing these images. I didn't realise you were a lawyer. Dahe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 Gig SD card for the DS?
Glen, I've checked both with Pentax and personally tested several 4G SD cards. Some work right off the bat, some work when formatted in a host computer. I would not buy a 4G card at present, not until Pentax releases an SDHC compliant firmware update for the DS. The Transcend 150x 2G SD cards are inexpensive and work very well. Last time I bought a couple they cost less than $40 apiece. I bought mine from NewEgg.com. One caveat, which applies to *all* SD cards over 1G: I found the 2G cards to be incompatible with my old reliable, 3 year old Belkin 8- in-1 USB 2.0 card reader. I suspect this might be the case for any reader that's 2-3 years old. I tested six new card readers and found that the best was the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 card reader. It works flawlessly with both laptop and desktop systems, and the data transfer speed for both read and write is the best I've clocked. Godfrey On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:00 AM, Glen wrote: Hmm, it's only cheaper after doing a mail-in rebate, which I despise. Are you sure that the latest firmware won't support 4 gig? There was that update once upon a time that allowed cards in excess of 1 gig. Is 2 gig really the current limit? I suppose I could get a pair of 2 gig cards, but it would be nicer, and slightly cheaper, if the 4 gig card would work. I'm less likely to lose a card that stays in my camera all the time, as opposed to a card that is floating around in my camera bag half the time. :) thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On 17/08/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 50 42 -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D anti-shake at 800mm
On 8/16/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All taken with FA*400/5.6 and 2X-L teleconverter, handheld. The first one at 1/90s, the rest at 1/125s. One of the chimney pics is done with AS, one without. http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0809.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0810.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0813.jpg http://www.oksne.net/temp/imgp0814.jpg It is definately a Good Thing. best, Jostein Impressive. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
That is beyond my understanding. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:40 am Size: 1K To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net I made this suggestion a couple of hours ago, but there's been no response to it. That can mean two things. One is that the post never got to the people who matter. The second is that while incorrect guesses can be easily dismissed, something very close to the mark can't safely be touched due to the embargo. Here's my earlier unanswered post: - Having no time to audit the Holy Crap thread, to eliminate what Aaron has negatoried and reconsider his ambiguous answers, I'm going to have a stab. Why not? It's fun and after all it was Aaron who opened up Pandora's Box, what does he expect of us inquisitive types who don't work in retail and have insider knowledge? I've no background in electronics to understand what the patent documents say, but I do know that a big gripe about digital capture is that the exposure is recorded lineally, ie the brightest stop gets half the bit depth, the second brightest stop gets the next quarter of all the bit depth, etc. Eventually, the darkest discernible stop only has two or three levels in it. Perhaps Pentax has implemented logarithmic exposure (logE as film is measured) rather than linear exposure. Just a guess, and just for fun ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lie Arne Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body OK. Other limiting factor of digital is the linear CCD sensor, it is not non-linear as film. The latter is a benefit in avoiding burn-outs and loosing details in shadows. So, they (Pentax) are able to make the characteristcs of the CCD approaching more that of film when it comes to sensitivity. ??? Arne -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so let's browse through the thread again and look for all messages to which Aaron did not respond saying 'nope'. I think a lot of you are making too much of Aaron's statement that he'd (possibly) give up his 67 for this. In fact I believe -- and I think Jostein, who also knows the secret, will agree with me on this -- that Aaron may be expecting too much. Not that it isn't groundbreaking, but I think it'll still be far off 67 quality. At least with the 10-megapixel, APS-crop sensor in the K10D. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (Very) A question for electronics gurus
Ryan Brooks wrote: You might want to try usenet sci.electronics.* - there are some really good people on there. Helped me fix a coupe of really weird items. sci.electronics.components might be a good place to start. There are specialized semiconductor databases which are available to the electronic industry. One of them might have this. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I think a lot of you are making too much of Aaron's statement that he'd (possibly) give up his 67 for this. In fact I believe -- and I think Jostein, who also knows the secret, will agree with me on this -- that Aaron may be expecting too much. Not that it isn't groundbreaking, but I think it'll still be far off 67 quality. At least with the 10-megapixel, APS-crop sensor in the K10D. It will likely not be the same as 67, that's very true. However, it will have jettisoned the thing I don't like about digital and replaced it with the thing I love most about 6x7, which is not resolution. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D anti-shake at 800mm
Jostein Øksne wrote: Content warning: Flags, flowers and buildings. No kittens? Bah! -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 Gig SD card for the DS?
Thanks, everyone. Looks like I'll be getting a pair of 2 gig cards instead of the 4 gig. Everyone seems to like NewEgg, so I'll probably buy from them. Special thank you to Godfrey, for the alert about older card readers. I have no idea if my SanDisk 5-in-1 reader falls into that problem category. It's less than one year old, so hopefully it will work okay. If not, at least I won't be taken totally by surprise now. :) take care, Glen At 10:41 AM 8/16/2006, Godfrey wrote: Glen, I've checked both with Pentax and personally tested several 4G SD cards. Some work right off the bat, some work when formatted in a host computer. I would not buy a 4G card at present, not until Pentax releases an SDHC compliant firmware update for the DS. The Transcend 150x 2G SD cards are inexpensive and work very well. Last time I bought a couple they cost less than $40 apiece. I bought mine from NewEgg.com. One caveat, which applies to *all* SD cards over 1G: I found the 2G cards to be incompatible with my old reliable, 3 year old Belkin 8- in-1 USB 2.0 card reader. I suspect this might be the case for any reader that's 2-3 years old. I tested six new card readers and found that the best was the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 card reader. It works flawlessly with both laptop and desktop systems, and the data transfer speed for both read and write is the best I've clocked. Godfrey On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:00 AM, Glen wrote: Hmm, it's only cheaper after doing a mail-in rebate, which I despise. Are you sure that the latest firmware won't support 4 gig? There was that update once upon a time that allowed cards in excess of 1 gig. Is 2 gig really the current limit? I suppose I could get a pair of 2 gig cards, but it would be nicer, and slightly cheaper, if the 4 gig card would work. I'm less likely to lose a card that stays in my camera all the time, as opposed to a card that is floating around in my camera bag half the time. :) thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Found ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:16 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body (snip) Again, it has already been said more than once by more than one person. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On 16.08.2006, at 17:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: I think a lot of you are making too much of Aaron's statement that he'd (possibly) give up his 67 for this. In fact I believe -- and I think Jostein, who also knows the secret, will agree with me on this -- that Aaron may be expecting too much. Not that it isn't groundbreaking, but I think it'll still be far off 67 quality. At least with the 10-megapixel, APS-crop sensor in the K10D. But Aaron has mentioned that he shoots 67 using negatives AFAIR. Now add to this this new patent on cancelling unwanted dark current and we have improved exposure latitude in K10D :-) Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Another PDML Win
I won the Detroit News Photo Contest for week 8 in the landmarks category. This is the same contest that Ken Waller won a few weeks ago. I learned of the contest through Ken's post. My winning entry is the same pic I posted for the PUG this month. The Detroit News page is here: http://www.greatdetroitphotos.com/page/page/3595070.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
You don't understand logE? You do/did operate a lab, did you not? Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 1:01 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body That is beyond my understanding. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:40 am Size: 1K To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net (snip) I've no background in electronics to understand what the patent documents say, but I do know that a big gripe about digital capture is that the exposure is recorded lineally, ie the brightest stop gets half the bit depth, the second brightest stop gets the next quarter of all the bit depth, etc. Eventually, the darkest discernible stop only has two or three levels in it. Perhaps Pentax has implemented logarithmic exposure (logE as film is measured) rather than linear exposure. Just a guess, and just for fun ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PDML Win
If it's a PDML win what do we all get? Seriously, congratulations. Dave On 8/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won the Detroit News Photo Contest for week 8 in the landmarks category. This is the same contest that Ken Waller won a few weeks ago. I learned of the contest through Ken's post. My winning entry is the same pic I posted for the PUG this month. The Detroit News page is here: http://www.greatdetroitphotos.com/page/page/3595070.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Aaron wander over to the Pentax SLR forum at DPReview see what you've started. LOL. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Manual focus screen. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D at Henrys now
I noticed that Ritz has it down this way (just the body and 18-55 together tho, no body only). I was in the mall the other day and played with it a bit. --- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might be old news, but last week or so i checked, the camera was for order only, now i see they have stock of them. Several options, body, body and 1 lens, body and two lenses. Dave Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Having owned a couple of 67's, aside from the resolution, two things come to mind: 1) usable high ISO films - I regularly used 3200 Ilford BW film with very low grain. So perhaps, a very usable 3200 ISO or 6400 ISO could be it. 2) format ratio - the 67 is a bit more square than the 2:3 ratio in current DSLR's. Not so much crop for 8X10, 11X14, etc. However, this already exists in the Olympus 4/3rds system. So I would lean towards a real high ISO mode that produces usable results. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, August 16, 2006, 6:26:57 AM, you wrote: AR On Aug 16, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) AR No, I didn't mean that no grain/noise was close. AR -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 02:27:10PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: I think that current digital SLR images are well below the quality of 67. I do not know anything about that patent at all. I did not bring that patent up. I know you didn't, but there are also speculations about noise reduction hardware floating about, that may or may not be related to the same patent. I thought you might have heard about even though you haven't been told about the actual patent... I'd discount anything to do with the sensor (including using floating point to store values) simply because it's supposedly a difference between the K10D and other cameras using the same sensor. Personally, I think the whole guessing game is a little stupid. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another PDML Win
David Savage wrote: If it's a PDML win what do we all get? Bragging rights :) Congrats Paul! -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
I find that place tiresome. I can only imagine what gadgets/math/technofoolery they're thinking up. I ain't going there -- they're sure to be obsessing over the wrong things. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:00 pm Size: 189 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Aaron wander over to the Pentax SLR forum at DPReview see what you've started. LOL. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Aaron Reynolds wrote: it with the thing I love most about 6x7, which is not resolution. A giant wooden handle?!? First I've paid attention to this thread, but is it removable prisms? That' dbe kinda clever, eh? -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Why would I need to understand the math behind it to run a lab? -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:51 am Size: 1K To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net You don't understand logE? You do/did operate a lab, did you not? Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 1:01 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body That is beyond my understanding. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:40 am Size: 1K To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net (snip) I've no background in electronics to understand what the patent documents say, but I do know that a big gripe about digital capture is that the exposure is recorded lineally, ie the brightest stop gets half the bit depth, the second brightest stop gets the next quarter of all the bit depth, etc. Eventually, the darkest discernible stop only has two or three levels in it. Perhaps Pentax has implemented logarithmic exposure (logE as film is measured) rather than linear exposure. Just a guess, and just for fun ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: left handed digital PS?
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 05:59:49AM -0400, graywolf wrote: As best as I can recall the Exakta was the only left-handed camera made, and it was not truly designed as a left-handed camera but to be used on a copy stand. Oh well, those guys are only 20% of the population anyway. I think it's closer to 12%. But I'd bet we're more than 12% of this list; left-handedness seems to be correlated with several things which are over- represented here (such as being male, mathematically inclined, artistic ..) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:28 AM, gfen wrote: A giant wooden handle?!? First I've paid attention to this thread, but is it removable prisms? That' dbe kinda clever, eh? Every Pentax SLR ever made has a removable prism. It's just a lot more complicated on some than on others. The giant wooden handle can help on the stubborn ones. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Yes I think Bruce has something here and I see a few low light shots in Aaron's gallery. I put my money on this. Medium format film that can be pushed is an advantage and quite the opposite from resolution. I have pushed film to very high ISO's and miss this adventure with digital.. - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body Having owned a couple of 67's, aside from the resolution, two things come to mind: 1) usable high ISO films - I regularly used 3200 Ilford BW film with very low grain. So perhaps, a very usable 3200 ISO or 6400 ISO could be it. 2) format ratio - the 67 is a bit more square than the 2:3 ratio in current DSLR's. Not so much crop for 8X10, 11X14, etc. However, this already exists in the Olympus 4/3rds system. So I would lean towards a real high ISO mode that produces usable results. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, August 16, 2006, 6:26:57 AM, you wrote: AR On Aug 16, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: You mean, No grain/noise is close, but (reduction of) sensor noise isn't. You are confusing me. (But that's the fun part of all this, I'm sure ;-)) AR No, I didn't mean that no grain/noise was close. AR -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
