August PUG?

2009-08-18 Thread Toralf Lund

Just had to ask...

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PESO -- After the Fall V

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Subtitle: He'll never get the deposit back on that Tux.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20afterthefallv.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

Notes:  B&W Conversion using Fotomatic B&W Plus, Red filter applied.  
Platinum tone for a phony attempt at class.  Tux by Mr Tux, (OK so I 
don't know who supplied the Tuxedo Jacket, but it was powder blue...)


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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Boris Liberman
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> And how about someone posting their pathological problem files?

Godfrey, as soon as I get some odd looking files, I'll post them here.
It is likely to happen by the weekend.

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PESO -- After the Fall IV

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

I'm not sure this one will appear in the final essay, but here is is anyway

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20afterthefalliv.html

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Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Ken Waller

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars



Ken,
You're in one of those Dem. states so maybe you know better than me.
I see the disrupted townhall meetings as the Rep. right wingers creating 
havoc.



I guess I'm a right wing terrorist - I see them more as a bunch of people, 
like myself, un organized, fed up with the way the Dems are trying to shove 
their adgenda down the throat of the American populace -  the Health 'Care' 
fiasco is the straw that broke the camels back. I've seen very few of the 
politician even claim to have even read the health care bill. I can't 
believe anything I hear from the politicians.




I've been a lifelong Rep. or at most independent.
(My dad's middle name was Harding, after the Nov. 1920 Rep. nominating
convention.)
I've got to read more about the Brown Shirts in '30's Germany.
Didn't they come to power thru disruption without majority support?
That's what I'm afraid of here.



I live in the most conservative Rep. county in Illinois.
I blame the right wing Rep. for Obama's election.
10 years ago, our Senator was Carol Mosley Brown, a joke after 6 years
in office.
A conservative Rep. lawyer, rich with multi-million dollar settlements
(drug?) bought
the Rep. primary by outspending his opponent about 9 to 1.
He got himself elected, but 6 years later got bored or couldn't work
with colleagues.
He didn't run for re-election, so the Rep. found another conservative
rich fellow,
a young, former investment banker turned math teacher to run on family 
values.
The Dems put Obama on the ballot, kind of a 'Hail Mary Pass' to take the 
seat.



The Rep. guy was named Ryan.  He was married to Jerri Ryan, the Borg
babe '7 of 9' on
Star Trek in the painted on outfit.  They had 'sealed' divorce papers
which came unraveled
to reveal the family values candidate divorced over trying to take his
wife to sex clubs.
He was toast and withdrew.  The Reps couldn't find anybody else to run
and decided
to import Alan Keyes, a conservative black radio host from NY/NJ(?),
to run from Illinois.
Obama won in a landslide.



So the right wing Rep. minority in Illinois have managed over the last
10 years to get
rid of the moderate voters in the party and hand over elections to the
Dems.  It's a
sad time for lifelong Republicans like me, and I'm angry about it!



Regards,  Bob S.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.


Ahem you really meant to say Democrats
Just look at the response of the Dems to the town hall meetings

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars


This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party. Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling
wrote:


But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...


Bob Sullivan wrote:


No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada
spends
its tax dollars





Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm




That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

William Robb



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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: First K-7
> woes
>
>
>> I've requested before but no one seems to want to send me a K7 file or
>> three to examine. ??
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/WRK72079.DNG
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/WRK70137.DNG
>
> I'll leave them for a couple of days, but it puts me over my quota so my ISO
> might get pissy with me if i leave them for too long.
>

Thanks Bill, they're downloaded now. LR 2.4 provides three camera
calibration options for these DNGs ... Embedded, Adobe Standard and
Camera Standard. All three look good with these two photos.

Any chance at a couple of PEFs too?

And how about someone posting their pathological problem files?
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Ken Waller

I come here to lower my blood pressure, not raise it.


Amen bro...

Definitely an OT MARK !


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer" 


Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars


TWT!

This is not a politics list.  There are a lot of those elsewhere.
Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 8/18/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:


Believe what you believe, if the
Democrats continue to follow the course
they're on, I would bet that in 2010 they'll see their
present
majority's in congress significantly reduced if not
eliminated and Obama
will be a lame duck for the rest of his Presidency, even if
he's
reelected for a second term. But I'm only looking at
the polls. Byut
that's only a symptom. The Democrats are actively
working to destroy
the US economy, as opposed to the Rebublicans who only
accidentally
worked to destroy the economy, eventually people notice
things like that.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> This period will be marked in history as the time the
Republicans
> destroyed their Party. Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. 
> Alling

wrote:
>
>> But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.
>>
>> I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively
evil usually, just
>> accidentally so, the Democrats on the other
hand...
>>
>>
>> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> No Bill,
>>> Zombies know they are dead.
>>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out
yet.
>>> Regards, Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William
Robb
wrote:
>>>
>>>
 - Original Message - From: "Bob W"
Subject: OT: How Canada spends
 its tax dollars




> Some reassuring research from the
White Hell of the North:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm
>
>
>

 That's code for Republican.
 I should go hide now.

 William Robb



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Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,
I expect you'll be happy with our Presidents for the next 8 or 16
years,  After that, who knows.  They are politicians after all.  And
we can't seem to find many who can keep their pants zipped up or their
hands out of the money pot.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars
>
>
>
> So the right wing Rep. minority in Illinois have managed over the last
> 10 years to get
> rid of the moderate voters in the party and hand over elections to the
> Dems.  It's a
> sad time for lifelong Republicans like me, and I'm angry about it!
>
> Bob, from the outside looking in, when the USA is being run by a Republican
> administration, there seems to be more war and unrest in the world. When the
> USA has a Democrat in the White House, the world seems to be a more peaceful
> place (though the trade sanctions and protectionism is annoying).
>
> I like you guys a whole lot more when you aren't shooting at everything that
> pisses you off.
> I'll take a Democrat president any day of the week.
>
> William Robb
>
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Rick,
I hear your whistle, but think differently.  We know one another here
and have some mutual respect.  I'd hope we can share some differing
opinions in a friendly environment and think about things in our
lives.
How boring and without growth would we be if we only did pictures of
pretty landscapes?  No more still lifes by Godfrey, no more fuzzy
street photography from Frank.  It would not help any of us learn, and
that's what I think this should be about.
I don't want to cause any heartburn.  I do want a strong and balanced
2 party system, and a media where we can have reasoned discussions
about important issues without screaming at each other or painting the
other guy as the Devil.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:46 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm sorry Rick, I didn't start this.
>
> Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> TWT!
>>
>> This is not a politics list.  There are a lot of those elsewhere.  I come
>> here to lower my blood pressure, not raise it.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Believe what you believe, if the
>>> Democrats continue to follow the course they're on, I would bet that in
>>> 2010 they'll see their
>>> present majority's in congress significantly reduced if not
>>> eliminated and Obama will be a lame duck for the rest of his Presidency,
>>> even if
>>> he's reelected for a second term.  But I'm only looking at
>>> the polls.  Byut that's only a symptom.  The Democrats are actively
>>> working to destroy the US economy, as opposed to the Rebublicans who only
>>> accidentally worked to destroy the economy, eventually people notice
>>> things like that.
>>>
>>> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>

 This period will be marked in history as the time the

>>>
>>> Republicans
>>>

 destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J.
 Alling

>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>


>
> But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.
>
> I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively
>
>>>
>>> evil usually, just
>>>
>
> accidentally so, the Democrats on the other
>
>>>
>>> hand...
>>>
>
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>>
>> No Bill,
>> Zombies know they are dead.
>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out
>>
>>>
>>> yet.
>>>
>>
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William
>>
>>>
>>> Robb
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Bob W"
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: OT: How Canada spends
>>>
>>>
>>> its tax dollars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

 Some reassuring research from the

>>>
>>> White Hell of the North:
>>>

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's code for Republican.
>>> I should go hide now.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
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>
>>>
>>> with either eating or
>>>
>
> drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he
>
>>>
>>> does he is certainly a
>>>
>
> damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul;
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>>>
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Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.



The film exposes through the back like the Kodak system, the battery 
is separate from the film cartridge like the Kodak system.  Then 
there's the traditional 3:2 image ratio.  Now the Fuji peal apart 
film is probably quite a bit like Polaroid product, but since Kodak 
was forced from the instant film market by Polaroid, I wouldn't be at 
all surprised if Fuji and Kodak didn't indulge in some kind of 
technology trade.


The only real technical difference (and it's a big one) is the 
exposure through the back rather than the front, which was the 
Polaroid way. I'm sort of presuming that there was a technology deal 
of some sort between Fuji and Polaroid simply because Fuji has been 
using instant print technology for 15 or so years with nary a peep 
from Polaroid.

Battery placement and aspect ratio are details, not technology.

William Robb
I have another reason to believe that the Fuji process for this 
particular camera is related to the Kodak system.  In the 1980's Fuji 
produced a pair of Kodak Instant Film compatible cameras and a Kodak 
Instant Camera compatible Film.  It appears these products died at the 
same time Polaroid won their patent infringement case against Kodak.


If you want to read about the Fuji products there's a description at the 
bottom of this page, with pictures...
(The author agrees with my assessment of the new Fuji product, but 
that's beside the point.  It's more speculation than actual knowledge in 
any event).


http://www.rwhirled.com/landlist/nonland.htm



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Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"

Subject: Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars



So the right wing Rep. minority in Illinois have managed over the last
10 years to get
rid of the moderate voters in the party and hand over elections to the
Dems.  It's a
sad time for lifelong Republicans like me, and I'm angry about it!

Bob, from the outside looking in, when the USA is being run by a Republican 
administration, there seems to be more war and unrest in the world. When the 
USA has a Democrat in the White House, the world seems to be a more peaceful 
place (though the trade sanctions and protectionism is annoying).


I like you guys a whole lot more when you aren't shooting at everything that 
pisses you off.

I'll take a Democrat president any day of the week.

William Robb


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Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling"

Subject: Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.



The film exposes through the back like the Kodak system, the battery is 
separate from the film cartridge like the Kodak system.  Then there's the 
traditional 3:2 image ratio.  Now the Fuji peal apart film is probably 
quite a bit like Polaroid product, but since Kodak was forced from the 
instant film market by Polaroid, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Fuji 
and Kodak didn't indulge in some kind of technology trade.


The only real technical difference (and it's a big one) is the exposure 
through the back rather than the front, which was the Polaroid way. I'm sort 
of presuming that there was a technology deal of some sort between Fuji and 
Polaroid simply because Fuji has been using instant print technology for 15 
or so years with nary a peep from Polaroid.

Battery placement and aspect ratio are details, not technology.

William Robb 



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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer"

Subject: Re: First K-7 woes


I am =so= glad that you early adopters are out there ironing out the 
problems for us procrastinators.




Interestingly, the only problem I had with the K-7 was solved with the 
firmware revision.

Mind you, my standards are pretty low, apparently.

William Robb 



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Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.



Looks more like a copy of Kodak's system than Polaroid's.

http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003874.php



I', pretty sure that Fuji is using Polaroid technology. A number of 
years ago we were given a Fji Pictrostat printer. What it was, in 
essence, was a flatbed scanner attached to an instant print camera. 
The system used two pieces of material, a doner and a reciever to make 
the image. It was uncannily like a Polaroid peel apart print. This was 
just after Kodak had to pay Polaroid that huge settlement for 
infringing on their patent.
I have strong doubts that the Fuji instant print technology has 
anything to do with anything Kodak has ever done.


William Robb

The film exposes through the back like the Kodak system, the battery is 
separate from the film cartridge like the Kodak system.  Then there's 
the traditional 3:2 image ratio.  Now the Fuji peal apart film is 
probably quite a bit like Polaroid product, but since Kodak was forced 
from the instant film market by Polaroid, I wouldn't be at all surprised 
if Fuji and Kodak didn't indulge in some kind of technology trade.



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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

I'm sorry Rick, I didn't start this.

Rick Womer wrote:

TWT!

This is not a politics list.  There are a lot of those elsewhere.  I come here 
to lower my blood pressure, not raise it.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 8/18/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:

  

Believe what you believe, if the
Democrats continue to follow the course 
they're on, I would bet that in 2010 they'll see their
present 
majority's in congress significantly reduced if not
eliminated and Obama 
will be a lame duck for the rest of his Presidency, even if
he's 
reelected for a second term.  But I'm only looking at
the polls.  Byut 
that's only a symptom.  The Democrats are actively
working to destroy 
the US economy, as opposed to the Rebublicans who only
accidentally 
worked to destroy the economy, eventually people notice

things like that.

Bob Sullivan wrote:


This period will be marked in history as the time the
  

Republicans


destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling
  

wrote:

   
  

But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively


evil usually, just


accidentally so, the Democrats on the other


hand...


Bob Sullivan wrote:
 


No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out
  

yet.


Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William
  

Robb
wrote:

   
  

- Original Message - From: "Bob W"


Subject: OT: How Canada spends


its tax dollars



 


Some reassuring research from the
  

White Hell of the North:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm


   
  
   


That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

William Robb

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Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Hum, the brown shirts wore uniforms, the Deme. supporters of Obama's 
policies are the ones wearing uniforms, you can tell them by their 
purple shirts with professionally printed signs. 

Those actually disrupting the town hall's seem to be pissed off 
taxpayer's or in some cases agents provocateurs.  If the protesters were 
actually following the marching orders put out by the Repub's they would 
be asking embarrassing questions respectively, letting the congress 
critters hang themselves with their ridiculously talking points, 
(whenever that's been done the answer has lead to derisive laughter, 
there's nothing more effective then exposing a pompous politician to 
ridicule). 

Look the Republicans haven't really improved much if at all, but they 
will gain simply by default.


Bob Sullivan wrote:

Ken,

You're in one of those Dem. states so maybe you know better than me.
I see the disrupted townhall meetings as the Rep. right wingers creating havoc.
I've been a lifelong Rep. or at most independent.
(My dad's middle name was Harding, after the Nov. 1920 Rep. nominating
convention.)
I've got to read more about the Brown Shirts in '30's Germany.
Didn't they come to power thru disruption without majority support?
That's what I'm afraid of here.

I live in the most conservative Rep. county in Illinois.
I blame the right wing Rep. for Obama's election.
10 years ago, our Senator was Carol Mosley Brown, a joke after 6 years
in office.
A conservative Rep. lawyer, rich with multi-million dollar settlements
(drug?) bought
the Rep. primary by outspending his opponent about 9 to 1.
He got himself elected, but 6 years later got bored or couldn't work
with colleagues.
He didn't run for re-election, so the Rep. found another conservative
rich fellow,
a young, former investment banker turned math teacher to run on family values.
The Dems put Obama on the ballot, kind of a 'Hail Mary Pass' to take the seat.

The Rep. guy was named Ryan.  He was married to Jerri Ryan, the Borg
babe '7 of 9' on
Star Trek in the painted on outfit.  They had 'sealed' divorce papers
which came unraveled
to reveal the family values candidate divorced over trying to take his
wife to sex clubs.
He was toast and withdrew.  The Reps couldn't find anybody else to run
and decided
to import Alan Keyes, a conservative black radio host from NY/NJ(?),
to run from Illinois.
Obama won in a landslide.

So the right wing Rep. minority in Illinois have managed over the last
10 years to get
rid of the moderate voters in the party and hand over elections to the
Dems.  It's a
sad time for lifelong Republicans like me, and I'm angry about it!

Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
  

This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.
  

Ahem you really meant to say Democrats
Just look at the response of the Dems to the town hall meetings

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars


This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling
wrote:


But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...


Bob Sullivan wrote:
  

No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada
spends
its tax dollars



  

Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm




That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

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Re: PESO: Yet more istDS IR

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

I really, really hate you.

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Another example, this time made of four frames stitched with Hugin. 


http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/18224690

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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread Doug Brewer

paul stenquist wrote:
Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times 
website. They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via a 
link). I'm pleased with the results but relieved that it's over. All 
eight appear in reverse order here:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/

Paul


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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Rick Womer
TWT!

This is not a politics list.  There are a lot of those elsewhere.  I come here 
to lower my blood pressure, not raise it.

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--- On Tue, 8/18/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:

> Believe what you believe, if the
> Democrats continue to follow the course 
> they're on, I would bet that in 2010 they'll see their
> present 
> majority's in congress significantly reduced if not
> eliminated and Obama 
> will be a lame duck for the rest of his Presidency, even if
> he's 
> reelected for a second term.  But I'm only looking at
> the polls.  Byut 
> that's only a symptom.  The Democrats are actively
> working to destroy 
> the US economy, as opposed to the Rebublicans who only
> accidentally 
> worked to destroy the economy, eventually people notice
> things like that.
> 
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > This period will be marked in history as the time the
> Republicans
> > destroyed their Party.  Bob S.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling
> wrote:
> >   
> >> But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively
> evil usually, just
> >> accidentally so, the Democrats on the other
> hand...
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >>     
> >>> No Bill,
> >>> Zombies know they are dead.
> >>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out
> yet.
> >>> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William
> Robb
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       
>  - Original Message - From: "Bob W"
> Subject: OT: How Canada spends
>  its tax dollars
> 
> 
> 
>          
> > Some reassuring research from the
> White Hell of the North:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm
> >
> >
> >       
>    
>  That's code for Republican.
>  I should go hide now.
> 
>  William Robb
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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread Rick Womer
Very nice series, Mike!  The shots of your daughter and the otter are 
especially enjoyable.

You seem to have had a nice winter this summer in the UK.

Rick

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> http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=56.623463&lon=-6.069414&z=13&r=0&src=msl
> 
> It's the location for the filming of a children's
> programme, so at least one person was happy.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/index.shtml
> 
> Collected a friend arriving from Poland at Edinburgh
> airport and carried on through the teeming rain to
> Oban.  Next morning, off on the ferry to Mull and then
> bus to Tobermory.
> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/
> 
> After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain
> showers by diving into the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the
> town for a while, Katy and I walked out along the
> pier.  Passing some steps down to the water, I caught
> some movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was
> this: http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm 
> This is the least blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind
> Katy with the lens on her shoulder and my left arm around
> her waist.  The conversation went something like, "But
> I just want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand still,
> will you!" and the otter just looked at us.  Made both
> our days.
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Re: PESO: Yet more istDS IR

2009-08-18 Thread paul stenquist

Interesting. I especially like the second one, the rail yard.
On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:


Luiz Felipe  wrote:


Ralf, out of curiosity, did you ever try IR on those industrial sites
you shoot now and then?


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http://www.photosight.ru/photos/1544630/?from_member

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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread paul stenquist
I've shot about 6000 frames now. No problems. And ACR does a great job  
on conversions.

On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I am =so= glad that you early adopters are out there ironing out the  
problems for us procrastinators.


Thanks, folks!

Rick

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--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Boris Liberman  wrote:


From: Boris Liberman 
Subject: Re: First K-7 woes
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:37 PM
Hi!

1. Not shooting through glass of course.

2. No, I haven't tuned my LCD (yet).

3. I'd like to be told where is that checkbox that you
mentioned can be found?

4. No, I am not *looking* for problems. I am just making
all kinds of shots (time of day and my tiredness permitting)
to see how this camera behaves. Though of course, I am being
extra attentive to the results, 'cause I need to study the
new tool.

5. Notably, I decided not to do this heat testing as it is
unlikely that I will run into such condition any time soon.
Meanwhile, the handling, the AF and general operation of
this camera is much to my liking.

Finally, I've just made a quick test shoot with
PEF/DNG/JPG, sRGB/AdobeRGB options. So far indeed DNG is
slightly warmer than PEF, but I found no serious color
representation problems. The conditions were quite similar -
same building, roughly the same time as yesterday. In fact,
nothing to write home about, except that I still get
consistent underexposure which I did not correct yet, as I
want to study the camera at its default condition.

I've also found that switching between Adobe Standard and
Camera Standard calibration profiles has certain effect on
the colors.

Yet, indeed more shooting will be necessary, which probably
will happen by the weekend.

I intend to keep you posted, guys, as I think such an
experience will have its merits for more people than just
me.

Boris




William Robb wrote:


We'll presume that you weren't shooting through

glass.

Also, have you tuned your LCD? (I presume the

adjustment is there for consumer based QC).

And finally, have you ticked the checkbox in

Lightroom's presets that allow you to set the default to
camera serial number? This should allow you to dial in file
handling based on the camera in case it needs a bit of a
tweak.

And finally, are you looking for problems? This last

part is important, because you surely will find what you
want to find.


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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Rick Womer
I am =so= glad that you early adopters are out there ironing out the problems 
for us procrastinators.

Thanks, folks!

Rick

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--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Re: First K-7 woes
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:37 PM
> Hi!
> 
> 1. Not shooting through glass of course.
> 
> 2. No, I haven't tuned my LCD (yet).
> 
> 3. I'd like to be told where is that checkbox that you
> mentioned can be found?
> 
> 4. No, I am not *looking* for problems. I am just making
> all kinds of shots (time of day and my tiredness permitting)
> to see how this camera behaves. Though of course, I am being
> extra attentive to the results, 'cause I need to study the
> new tool.
> 
> 5. Notably, I decided not to do this heat testing as it is
> unlikely that I will run into such condition any time soon.
> Meanwhile, the handling, the AF and general operation of
> this camera is much to my liking.
> 
> Finally, I've just made a quick test shoot with
> PEF/DNG/JPG, sRGB/AdobeRGB options. So far indeed DNG is
> slightly warmer than PEF, but I found no serious color
> representation problems. The conditions were quite similar -
> same building, roughly the same time as yesterday. In fact,
> nothing to write home about, except that I still get
> consistent underexposure which I did not correct yet, as I
> want to study the camera at its default condition.
> 
> I've also found that switching between Adobe Standard and
> Camera Standard calibration profiles has certain effect on
> the colors.
> 
> Yet, indeed more shooting will be necessary, which probably
> will happen by the weekend.
> 
> I intend to keep you posted, guys, as I think such an
> experience will have its merits for more people than just
> me.
> 
> Boris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William Robb wrote:
> > 
> > We'll presume that you weren't shooting through
> glass.
> > Also, have you tuned your LCD? (I presume the
> adjustment is there for consumer based QC).
> > And finally, have you ticked the checkbox in
> Lightroom's presets that allow you to set the default to
> camera serial number? This should allow you to dial in file
> handling based on the camera in case it needs a bit of a
> tweak.
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> want to find.
> > 
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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread Christine Aguila


- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 


Let's see if we can dom a PDML dream cruise... reconvene in the spring -
who knows, it could happen. I'd need to hire a decent car though
(72 charger would be good :-)




Even my husband said this sounds like fun!  Let's definitely reconvene in 
the spring to see where we're all at.  I think we should try for this PDML 
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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread Christine Aguila
Great series, Paul--well written, well photographed--wonderfully covered! 
Big congrats!  Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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Subject: It's a wrap.


Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times 
website. They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via  a 
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eight appear in reverse order here:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/

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Re: PESO: Yet more istDS IR

2009-08-18 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Luiz Felipe  wrote:

> Ralf, out of curiosity, did you ever try IR on those industrial sites
> you shoot now and then?

Sure. Here are two examples:

http://www.fotocommunity.fr/pc/pc/mypics/841415/display/11081629

http://www.photosight.ru/photos/1544630/?from_member

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Re: OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ken,

You're in one of those Dem. states so maybe you know better than me.
I see the disrupted townhall meetings as the Rep. right wingers creating havoc.
I've been a lifelong Rep. or at most independent.
(My dad's middle name was Harding, after the Nov. 1920 Rep. nominating
convention.)
I've got to read more about the Brown Shirts in '30's Germany.
Didn't they come to power thru disruption without majority support?
That's what I'm afraid of here.

I live in the most conservative Rep. county in Illinois.
I blame the right wing Rep. for Obama's election.
10 years ago, our Senator was Carol Mosley Brown, a joke after 6 years
in office.
A conservative Rep. lawyer, rich with multi-million dollar settlements
(drug?) bought
the Rep. primary by outspending his opponent about 9 to 1.
He got himself elected, but 6 years later got bored or couldn't work
with colleagues.
He didn't run for re-election, so the Rep. found another conservative
rich fellow,
a young, former investment banker turned math teacher to run on family values.
The Dems put Obama on the ballot, kind of a 'Hail Mary Pass' to take the seat.

The Rep. guy was named Ryan.  He was married to Jerri Ryan, the Borg
babe '7 of 9' on
Star Trek in the painted on outfit.  They had 'sealed' divorce papers
which came unraveled
to reveal the family values candidate divorced over trying to take his
wife to sex clubs.
He was toast and withdrew.  The Reps couldn't find anybody else to run
and decided
to import Alan Keyes, a conservative black radio host from NY/NJ(?),
to run from Illinois.
Obama won in a landslide.

So the right wing Rep. minority in Illinois have managed over the last
10 years to get
rid of the moderate voters in the party and hand over elections to the
Dems.  It's a
sad time for lifelong Republicans like me, and I'm angry about it!

Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
>> destroyed their Party.
>
> Ahem you really meant to say Democrats
> Just look at the response of the Dems to the town hall meetings
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
> Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars
>
>
> This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
> destroyed their Party.  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling
> wrote:
>>
>> But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.
>>
>> I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
>> accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...
>>
>>
>> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> No Bill,
>>> Zombies know they are dead.
>>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
>>> Regards, Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>>

 - Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada
 spends
 its tax dollars



>
> Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm
>
>

 That's code for Republican.
 I should go hide now.

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Re: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Doug Franklin

P. J. Alling wrote:

Now would use a 43mm limited at f5.6 on a K-7 to record the zombie 
apocalypse or go retro and use film in an LX?


Personally, I'm putting the longest lens I can find on the camera to 
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Doug Franklin

William Robb wrote:


The are all politicians, by definition they are evil.


And we have a winner!

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Re: OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread Igor Roshchin


Tue Aug 18 13:58:05 CDT 2009
Adam Maas wrote:

> 8.5x11 is a standard paper size, I'd expect that 11x19 was more likely
> either 11x17 or 13x19 (both common paper sizes). The advent of inkjet
> printing has changed default print sizes for many but the traditional
> stores have not caught up with their stock.

Oops.. yes, as for 8.5x11, it's my mental block.. for some reason
I was looking at it yesterday, and thought that it was 0.5-1" too narrow
for the letter size.. I was too tired yesterday.

There were however some other sizes that struck me as odd.
(see below)

Tue Aug 18 15:13:13 CDT 2009
AlunFoto wrote:

> Ikea carries a lot of odd sizes over here too. The square ones are
> pretty much the same, I guess, but it would be interesting to know if
> the rectangular ones are "adapted" to american paper formats.


> While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
> 6"x6", 8"x10")
These sizes are close to the "stanard" European ones (10x15cm, ~
13x18cm, 15x15 cm, except, maybe the last one: 20x25cm.

There were a few sizes like 3"-and-a-fraction x 5"-and-a-fraction,
(as opposed to a straight 3"x5"),
~9"x14" (~23cm x 28cm), 9"x9" (~23x23cm)

The larger sizes were some standard (~13"x19") and non-standard,
(I don't remember all of them)
IIRC, very few of the large sizes were in 2:3 format.

Cheers,

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RE: GESO Fortress Guernsey

2009-08-18 Thread Chris Mitchell
Thanks Bob

It's partly because stone is more durable (they say that Guernsey is made up
of some of the Earth's oldest rocks), but also partly because of the care
that's taken looking after and renovating the 18th century and earlier
stuff. There are still lots of mixed memories about the German occupation
and the tendency immediately after the war was to fill in the earthworks and
break up the concrete. It's only recently that people are realising that
this is part of their heritage too and needs preserving...

Chris

> -Original Message-
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> 
> Chris,
> Interesting story and photos.
> I love the stone forts outlasting the concrete.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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RE: GESO Fortress Guernsey

2009-08-18 Thread Chris Mitchell
Thanks Dave. The people here have done a good job of renovating the sites
and finding suitable items to put in these historical places. Mostly
self-funded too (V. little in the way of state funds available for the WW2
stuff; it mainly goes on the older things).

Chris

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> > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Fortress/index.html
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> Nice gallery. I like 420 a lot
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Re: PESO: Yet more istDS IR

2009-08-18 Thread Luiz Felipe
Ralf, out of curiosity, did you ever try IR on those industrial sites 
you shoot now and then?


Very interesting shot, I only wish the plants a nudge darker - personal 
taste indeed.


lf

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Another example, this time made of four frames stitched with Hugin. 


http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/18224690

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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Aug 18, 2009, at 04:30 , David J Brooks wrote:

This has been my K10D experience, chimp every shot with histogram  
turned on.




This is something I should be doing as well.



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PESO: Yet more istDS IR

2009-08-18 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Another example, this time made of four frames stitched with Hugin. 

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/18224690

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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread Joseph McAllister
Audiophiles spent years writing about how the Compact Disc sound was  
harsh, grainy, gave them headaches, no way could this medium ever  
surpass the vinyl LP album for 'true' sound.


They were correct, with the exception that it would never surpass the  
LP. The technology got better, the recording engineers learned how to  
deal with it, and the sound is now very acceptable. Of course, you   
have to have tens of thousands of dollars worth of D-A converters,  
special cables, high end amps, and nothing but the best 'pressings' to  
appreciate the sound.


It's all talk, Chris. Unless he plans on shooting with an end result  
of 40 x 60 prints with soft irregular grain replaced by sharp edge  
pixels.


On Aug 18, 2009, at 00:19 , Chris Stoddart wrote:


Hi folks,

I haven't posted here in a long time (couple years maybe?), mostly  
'cos my life and job got way too busy and I had a lot less time for  
photography (and much PDML reading). Recently things have got a lot  
better, and I am a lot more enthused about taking pictures again  
(and reading PDML of course!).


However, recently I got tired of looking at my old *istD sat idle  
and thought about selling it. I mentioned it to a co-worker and he  
was initially enthusiastic. Then I got this mail...


> Chris I think I will give your Pentax a miss. I have been looking at
> sample photos on the internet and they all have something in common,
> that they look a little harsh to me and the colours are not easy on
> the eye. That's what I like about my Fuji camera, the pictures are
> soft and natural looking.

Now, I don't mind that he doesn't want it - that's fine and I am not  
entirely sure I want to sell it anyway, but I get the feeling he  
might be dissing my wee camera a bit too much here? :) Harsh and the  
colours not easy on the eye? Has anyone ever come across that  
opinion of Pentax 'look & feel' before? Should I thump him? BTW I  
have no idea what Fuji he's on about but it's not a DSLR.


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Re: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"

Subject: RE: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars



I'd need to bring my LX back from the dead...


Send it to the headquarters of the Liberal Party of Canada. If they can 
revive themselves they can revive anything thats been dead for a while.


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Re: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling"

Subject: OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.



Looks more like a copy of Kodak's system than Polaroid's.

http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003874.php



I', pretty sure that Fuji is using Polaroid technology. A number of years 
ago we were given a Fji Pictrostat printer. What it was, in essence, was a 
flatbed scanner attached to an instant print camera. The system used two 
pieces of material, a doner and a reciever to make the image. It was 
uncannily like a Polaroid peel apart print. This was just after Kodak had to 
pay Polaroid that huge settlement for infringing on their patent.
I have strong doubts that the Fuji instant print technology has anything to 
do with anything Kodak has ever done.


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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: First K-7 woes




I've requested before but no one seems to want to send me a K7 file or
three to examine. ??


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/WRK72079.DNG

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/WRK70137.DNG

I'll leave them for a couple of days, but it puts me over my quota so my ISO 
might get pissy with me if i leave them for too long.


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OT: was Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Ken Waller

This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.


Ahem you really meant to say Democrats
Just look at the response of the Dems to the town hall meetings

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars


This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...


Bob Sullivan wrote:


No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada 
spends

its tax dollars





Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm




That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread Walter Hamler
Paul, these articles need to be made into a book of some kind!
Seriously, you need to think about putting it all together into a
coffee table style book. I for one would sure buy one!

Walt

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
> Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times website.
> They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via a link). I'm
> pleased with the results but relieved that it's over. All eight appear in
> reverse order here:
> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/
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OT -- Instant pictures aren't quite dead yet.

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Looks more like a copy of Kodak's system than Polaroid's.

http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003874.php

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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Bob W wrote:

That's threshing.

Thrashing is a different thing altogether, usually involving middle-aged
women, Bill Robb and several strips of wet leather.
  

That is just way, way, way, too much information.


  

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing1/album/index.html

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David J 
Brooks wrote:


Hi gang.

This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax 
6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my 
exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.


For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and 
  
generally 


open up 1/2 a stop from that.

These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.

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Re: OT -- Leica S system

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Why be a piker?  Tell them you won'tt buy both!

John Sessoms wrote:

I'm just wondering which one I should tell everyone I'm not buying?

The $25,000 camera that doesn't even come with a kit lens or the 
$25,000 digital back that's not available for the medium format system 
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Re: OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

They're IKEA they're Swedish, that's what they do...

Igor Roshchin wrote:

Yesterday, I had a chance of looking at frames (for photos and pictures)
being sold at Ikea.
While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
6"x6", 8"x10"), I saw quite a few of very unusual sizes, e.g.
8-1/2" - 11" (or 11-1/2" ?), 9"x9", 11"x19", etc.

Usually, at stores like Aaron Brothers, Michaels, - they carry only
the "most standard" sizes (especially Michaels), so that even 8"x12" is
hard to find.
The only logical explanation that I could think of in the case of Ikea
was that they also have pictures they sell, and they match those
sizes, - so they don't want you to use these frames for anything else...
But I am still puzzled - why?

Any ideas?

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Re: PESO -- After the Fall II

2009-08-18 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/17/2009 11:24:26 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:

What he  said.

Marnie aka Doe :-)
==
Very much like your  shooting angle. Imposing view.

Jack

--- On Mon, 8/17/09, P. J.  Alling  wrote:

> From: P. J. Alling  
> Subject: PESO -- After the Fall  II
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date:  Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:40 AM
> Some more suburban decay.
>  
>  http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20afterthefallii.html
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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:06:13 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
pentko...@gmail.com  writes:
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing1/album/index.html

On  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David J Brooks  
wrote:
> Hi gang.
>
> This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max  120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
> 6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not  contrast. Could be due to my
> exposures, the Blacks developing or the age  of the film.
>
> For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand  meter and generally
> open up 1/2 a stop from that.
>
> These  are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.
>
> Comments  welcome
>
> Dave

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I find some of the macinery  shots very interesting, but wish the sky 
wasn't so white.

The house shot  is lovely. So neat and tidy.

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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/8/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times
>website. They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via
>a link). I'm pleased with the results but relieved that it's over. All
>eight appear in reverse order here:
>http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/

really enjoyed the blogs Paul, and the photography is first rate of course.

Thanks for posting.

Let's see if we can dom a PDML dream cruise... reconvene in the spring -
who knows, it could happen. I'd need to hire a decent car though
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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/8/09, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

> Marina Sirtis ...

She likes a good beard ;-)

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Re: peso: red sox

2009-08-18 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/16/2009 8:13:15 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
sa...@asobol.com  writes:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3828075954/
I wish I will be  able to wear such colorful and merry things when I am  
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Re: OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread AlunFoto
Ikea carries a lot of odd sizes over here too. The square ones are
pretty much the same, I guess, but it would be interesting to know if
the rectangular ones are "adapted" to american paper formats.

Jostein

2009/8/18 Igor Roshchin :
>
> Yesterday, I had a chance of looking at frames (for photos and pictures)
> being sold at Ikea.
> While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
> 6"x6", 8"x10"), I saw quite a few of very unusual sizes, e.g.
> 8-1/2" - 11" (or 11-1/2" ?), 9"x9", 11"x19", etc.
>
> Usually, at stores like Aaron Brothers, Michaels, - they carry only
> the "most standard" sizes (especially Michaels), so that even 8"x12" is
> hard to find.
> The only logical explanation that I could think of in the case of Ikea
> was that they also have pictures they sell, and they match those
> sizes, - so they don't want you to use these frames for anything else...
> But I am still puzzled - why?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Igor
>
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Re: GESO Fortress Guernsey

2009-08-18 Thread gldnbearz
Interesting bits of history.  Thanks for sharing.

- Pat

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

> Hope you find this of interest:
> http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Fortress/index.html
>
> K7, mostly with DA* 16-50 and some DA* 50-135
>
> Chris

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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread AlunFoto
Wow, Mike.
Great animals, otters.
I'm also most impressed with you managing to get a passable wildlife
shot with Katy struggling in your arms! I could never have done
that... Neither with Katy or any of my own... :-)

Jostein


2009/8/18 mike wilson :
> After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain showers by diving into
> the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the town for a while, Katy and I walked
> out along the pier.  Passing some steps down to the water, I caught some
> movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was this:
> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm  This is the least
> blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind Katy with the lens on her shoulder
> and my left arm around her waist.  The conversation went something like,
> "But I just want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand still, will you!"
> and the otter just looked at us.  Made both our days.


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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:06:03PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote:
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing1/album/index.html

How disappointing - it's just a bunch of threshing machinery  :-(

Now if it had been Faye Dunaway and Marina Sirtis ...




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RE: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob W
I'd need to bring my LX back from the dead...
 
> Just to illuminate this a bit further
> 
> http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zomb
> ie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html
> 
> Now would use a 43mm limited at f5.6 on a K-7 to record the 
> zombie apocalypse or go retro and use film in an LX?
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> > Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm
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Re: OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread ann sanfedele
8 1/2 x 11 is becoming a standard, I think, because of the printing 
papers .. not sure about the others


ann

Igor Roshchin wrote:


Yesterday, I had a chance of looking at frames (for photos and pictures)
being sold at Ikea.
While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
6"x6", 8"x10"), I saw quite a few of very unusual sizes, e.g.
8-1/2" - 11" (or 11-1/2" ?), 9"x9", 11"x19", etc.

Usually, at stores like Aaron Brothers, Michaels, - they carry only
the "most standard" sizes (especially Michaels), so that even 8"x12" is
hard to find.
The only logical explanation that I could think of in the case of Ikea
was that they also have pictures they sell, and they match those
sizes, - so they don't want you to use these frames for anything else...
But I am still puzzled - why?

Any ideas?

Igor


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RE: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread Bob W
That's threshing.

Thrashing is a different thing altogether, usually involving middle-aged
women, Bill Robb and several strips of wet leather.


> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing1/album/index.html
> 
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David J 
> Brooks wrote:
> > Hi gang.
> >
> > This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax 
> > 6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my 
> > exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.
> >
> > For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and 
> generally 
> > open up 1/2 a stop from that.
> >
> > These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.
> >
> > Comments welcome


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RE: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread Bob W
> 
> Took the sprog to Tobermory on the Isle of Mull over the weekend.
> http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=56.623463&lon=-6.069414&z=13&r=
> 0&src=msl
> 
> It's the location for the filming of a children's programme, 
> so at least one person was happy.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/index.shtml
> 
> Collected a friend arriving from Poland at Edinburgh airport 
> and carried on through the teeming rain to Oban.  Next 
> morning, off on the ferry to Mull and then bus to Tobermory.
> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/
> 
> After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain showers 
> by diving into the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the town for 
> a while, Katy and I walked out along the pier.  Passing some 
> steps down to the water, I caught some movement out of the 
> corner of my eye.  It was this: 
> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm  
> This is the least blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind 
> Katy with the lens on her shoulder and my left arm around her 
> waist.  The conversation went something like, "But I just 
> want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand still, will 
> you!" and the otter just looked at us.  Made both our days.
> 

Very nice - looks like a jolly nice place.

Bob


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Re: OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I had a chance of looking at frames (for photos and pictures)
> being sold at Ikea.
> While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
> 6"x6", 8"x10"), I saw quite a few of very unusual sizes, e.g.
> 8-1/2" - 11" (or 11-1/2" ?), 9"x9", 11"x19", etc.
>
> Usually, at stores like Aaron Brothers, Michaels, - they carry only
> the "most standard" sizes (especially Michaels), so that even 8"x12" is
> hard to find.
> The only logical explanation that I could think of in the case of Ikea
> was that they also have pictures they sell, and they match those
> sizes, - so they don't want you to use these frames for anything else...
> But I am still puzzled - why?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Igor
>

8.5x11 is a standard paper size, I'd expect that 11x19 was more likely
either 11x17 or 13x19 (both common paper sizes). The advent of inkjet
printing has changed default print sizes for many but the traditional
stores have not caught up with their stock.


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Re: OT -- Leica S system

2009-08-18 Thread John Sessoms

I'm just wondering which one I should tell everyone I'm not buying?

The $25,000 camera that doesn't even come with a kit lens or the $25,000 
digital back that's not available for the medium format system I already 
own?


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OT - odd sized frames at Ikea

2009-08-18 Thread Igor Roshchin

Yesterday, I had a chance of looking at frames (for photos and pictures)
being sold at Ikea.
While I found a few that were of more standard sizes (4"x6", 5"x7",
6"x6", 8"x10"), I saw quite a few of very unusual sizes, e.g.
8-1/2" - 11" (or 11-1/2" ?), 9"x9", 11"x19", etc.

Usually, at stores like Aaron Brothers, Michaels, - they carry only
the "most standard" sizes (especially Michaels), so that even 8"x12" is
hard to find.
The only logical explanation that I could think of in the case of Ikea
was that they also have pictures they sell, and they match those
sizes, - so they don't want you to use these frames for anything else...
But I am still puzzled - why?

Any ideas?

Igor


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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Charles Robinson

On Aug 18, 2009, at 12:48, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


I've requested before but no one seems to want to send me a K7 file or
three to examine. ??



Regret to inform that when I got all my K-7 raw shots into my LR...  
they were all crap (poor focus, poor subject, weird colors) and I  
hastily tagged 'em for deletion and don't have them anymore.  :-(


I really should have kept 'em!

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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
No better than the back ground on my browser, hum, I see the problem 
no.link.  It's exactly the same as the background on my browser...


David J Brooks wrote:

Hi gang.

This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my
exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.

For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and generally
open up 1/2 a stop from that.

These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.

Comments welcome

Dave

  



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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've requested before but no one seems to want to send me a K7 file or
three to examine. ??

email to ramar...@yahoo.com or put 'em on a server where I can get
them via http...

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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

1. Not shooting through glass of course.

2. No, I haven't tuned my LCD (yet).

3. I'd like to be told where is that checkbox that you mentioned can be 
found?


4. No, I am not *looking* for problems. I am just making all kinds of 
shots (time of day and my tiredness permitting) to see how this camera 
behaves. Though of course, I am being extra attentive to the results, 
'cause I need to study the new tool.


5. Notably, I decided not to do this heat testing as it is unlikely that 
I will run into such condition any time soon. Meanwhile, the handling, 
the AF and general operation of this camera is much to my liking.


Finally, I've just made a quick test shoot with PEF/DNG/JPG, 
sRGB/AdobeRGB options. So far indeed DNG is slightly warmer than PEF, 
but I found no serious color representation problems. The conditions 
were quite similar - same building, roughly the same time as yesterday. 
In fact, nothing to write home about, except that I still get consistent 
underexposure which I did not correct yet, as I want to study the camera 
at its default condition.


I've also found that switching between Adobe Standard and Camera 
Standard calibration profiles has certain effect on the colors.


Yet, indeed more shooting will be necessary, which probably will happen 
by the weekend.


I intend to keep you posted, guys, as I think such an experience will 
have its merits for more people than just me.


Boris




William Robb wrote:


We'll presume that you weren't shooting through glass.
Also, have you tuned your LCD? (I presume the adjustment is there for 
consumer based QC).
And finally, have you ticked the checkbox in Lightroom's presets that 
allow you to set the default to camera serial number? This should allow 
you to dial in file handling based on the camera in case it needs a bit 
of a tweak.
And finally, are you looking for problems? This last part is important, 
because you surely will find what you want to find.


William Robb

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Re: It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
Time for a beer.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
> Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times website.
> They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via a link). I'm
> pleased with the results but relieved that it's over. All eight appear in
> reverse order here:
> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/
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Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day, now with links.

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing1/album/index.html

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> Hi gang.
>
> This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
> 6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my
> exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.
>
> For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and generally
> open up 1/2 a stop from that.
>
> These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.
>
> Comments welcome
>
> Dave
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It's a wrap.

2009-08-18 Thread paul stenquist
Finally. My eighth and final dream cruise blog is up on the Times  
website. They also added some more photos to number 7 (accessible via  
a link). I'm pleased with the results but relieved that it's over. All  
eight appear in reverse order here:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woodward/

Paul

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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.

2009-08-18 Thread mike wilson

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.



Hi gang.

This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my
exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.

For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and generally
open up 1/2 a stop from that.

These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.

Comments welcome




Dave has discovered the missing link.


Or he put the fix in first.

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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread mike wilson

AlunFoto wrote:

Wow, Mike.
Great animals, otters.
I'm also most impressed with you managing to get a passable wildlife
shot with Katy struggling in your arms! I could never have done
that... Neither with Katy or any of my own... :-)

Jostein


Thanks but it hardly counts as wild life.  I had the impression that it 
was waiting for something - like a hand-delivered, juicy mackerel. 
Certainly wasn't scared by the yelling pink thing at the top of the 
steps.  We were only about 5-6metres from it.


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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread mike wilson

Cotty wrote:


On 18/8/09, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:



Took the sprog to Tobermory on the Isle of Mull over the weekend.
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=56.623463&lon=-6.069414&z=13&r=0&src=msl

It's the location for the filming of a children's programme, so at least
one person was happy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/index.shtml

Collected a friend arriving from Poland at Edinburgh airport and carried
on through the teeming rain to Oban.  Next morning, off on the ferry to
Mull and then bus to Tobermory.
http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/

After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain showers by diving
into the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the town for a while, Katy and I
walked out along the pier.  Passing some steps down to the water, I
caught some movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was this:
http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm  This is the
least blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind Katy with the lens on her
shoulder and my left arm around her waist.  The conversation went
something like, "But I just want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand
still, will you!" and the otter just looked at us.  Made both our days.



Excellent! Hope you guys are enjoying yourselves. My sister lives on
Coll and we were up there last xmas :-)


We're back.  It was a flying visit only, enlivened by quite deluvian 
amounts of rain.  The tents are still drying.


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Re: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks"

Subject: Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.



Hi gang.

This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my
exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.

For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and generally
open up 1/2 a stop from that.

These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.

Comments welcome



Dave has discovered the missing link.

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Geso Some B&W shots from the thrashing demo day.

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
Hi gang.

This is from the roll of Kodak T-Max 120, ISO 400 using the Pentax
6x7. CD scans seem very flat, not contrast. Could be due to my
exposures, the Blacks developing or the age of the film.

For exposures on the 6x7 i use a Minolta IVF hand meter and generally
open up 1/2 a stop from that.

These are the scans just dragged and dropped into jalbum.

Comments welcome

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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
>> Tell him to read DPReview tests. Don't they always say Pentax is kinda flat
>> and soft?

Pretty much all of the sites, including the doom and gloom forum say
that. However, i have found my Pentax jpegs to be more than fine. My
istD and 16-45 F4 had issues with softer jpeg's, but all in all, i
like what i get from my istD and K10D.

My D200 jpegs are another story. Much better when shot as NEF's.

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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM, William Robb wrote:

> Tell him to read DPReview tests. Don't they always say Pentax is kinda flat
> and soft?

Only if used for wheel chalks.

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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Cotty wrote:
My sister lives on Coll and we were up there last xmas :-)

I hated being on Coll. Never know when the phone will ring.

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Re: GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/8/09, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Took the sprog to Tobermory on the Isle of Mull over the weekend.
>http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=56.623463&lon=-6.069414&z=13&r=0&src=msl
>
>It's the location for the filming of a children's programme, so at least
>one person was happy.
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/index.shtml
>
>Collected a friend arriving from Poland at Edinburgh airport and carried
>on through the teeming rain to Oban.  Next morning, off on the ferry to
>Mull and then bus to Tobermory.
>http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/
>
>After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain showers by diving
>into the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the town for a while, Katy and I
>walked out along the pier.  Passing some steps down to the water, I
>caught some movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was this:
>http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm  This is the
>least blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind Katy with the lens on her
>shoulder and my left arm around her waist.  The conversation went
>something like, "But I just want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand
>still, will you!" and the otter just looked at us.  Made both our days.

Excellent! Hope you guys are enjoying yourselves. My sister lives on
Coll and we were up there last xmas :-)

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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 
Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars




Oh go ahead, we need a little excitement here!


But I've been so good for so long.

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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh go ahead, we need a little excitement here!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM, William Robb wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: How Canada
> spends its tax dollars
>
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>> No Bill,
>> Zombies know they are dead.
>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
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> Much like.
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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: First K-7 woes



No, I did not install Pentax converter. Also I saw distinct
purple-magenta tint even on the screen of the camera itself, having
taken that shot of a gray building across mine... That, I should say
is something that saddened me considerably.

I will do both what you suggest: try DNG and try Pentax software.


We'll presume that you weren't shooting through glass.
Also, have you tuned your LCD? (I presume the adjustment is there for 
consumer based QC).
And finally, have you ticked the checkbox in Lightroom's presets that allow 
you to set the default to camera serial number? This should allow you to 
dial in file handling based on the camera in case it needs a bit of a tweak.
And finally, are you looking for problems? This last part is important, 
because you surely will find what you want to find.


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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars




No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.


I didn't think zombies knew much of anything.
Much like.
Sorry, I know better than this.

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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Believe what you believe, if the Democrats continue to follow the course 
they're on, I would bet that in 2010 they'll see their present 
majority's in congress significantly reduced if not eliminated and Obama 
will be a lame duck for the rest of his Presidency, even if he's 
reelected for a second term.  But I'm only looking at the polls.  Byut 
that's only a symptom.  The Democrats are actively working to destroy 
the US economy, as opposed to the Rebublicans who only accidentally 
worked to destroy the economy, eventually people notice things like that.


Bob Sullivan wrote:

This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
  

But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...


Bob Sullivan wrote:


No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:

  

- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada spends
its tax dollars





Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm


  

That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

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Re: PESO -- Ghost Town

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well you obviously have our interest and attention.
Keep going...
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm writing something to go with a photo essay about the place so all will
> be revealed in time.  (It's been a long time since I've done something like
> that...)
>
> Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> This is a really good series, Peter, with very nice rendering.
>>
>> Where in CT is this?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/17/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This is related to the after the fall
>>> photos, and the after the fire photo, as well as lost
>>> teddy.  One of a number of overview shots from a modern
>>> day ghost town.
>>>
>>> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20ghosttown.html
>>>
>>> Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0
>>>
>>> Notes:  Converted to B&W using Fotomatic B&W
>>> Plus plugin with Red filter applied.  Platinum toned
>>> using The Lights Right toning action.
>>>
>>> Comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>>>
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars




But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just 
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...




The are all politicians, by definition they are evil.

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GESO Balamory (with one for Jostein)

2009-08-18 Thread mike wilson

Took the sprog to Tobermory on the Isle of Mull over the weekend.
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=56.623463&lon=-6.069414&z=13&r=0&src=msl

It's the location for the filming of a children's programme, so at least 
one person was happy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/index.shtml

Collected a friend arriving from Poland at Edinburgh airport and carried 
on through the teeming rain to Oban.  Next morning, off on the ferry to 
Mull and then bus to Tobermory.

http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/

After mooching (rough translation - avoiding the rain showers by diving 
into the nearest cafe/shop/bar) around the town for a while, Katy and I 
walked out along the pier.  Passing some steps down to the water, I 
caught some movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was this: 
http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/balamory/pages/IMGP7672.htm  This is the 
least blurry picture, as I was kneeling behind Katy with the lens on her 
shoulder and my left arm around her waist.  The conversation went 
something like, "But I just want to stroke it!" (wriggle wriggle) "Stand 
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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Stoddart"

Subject: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish





Now, I don't mind that he doesn't want it - that's fine and I am not 
entirely sure I want to sell it anyway, but I get the feeling he might be 
dissing my wee camera a bit too much here? :) Harsh and the colours not 
easy on the eye? Has anyone ever come across that opinion of Pentax 'look 
& feel' before? Should I thump him? BTW I have no idea what Fuji he's on 
about but it's not a DSLR.


Tell him to read DPReview tests. Don't they always say Pentax is kinda flat 
and soft?


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Re: First K-7 woes

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"

Subject: Re: First K-7 woes



No, I did not install Pentax converter. Also I saw distinct
purple-magenta tint even on the screen of the camera itself, having
taken that shot of a gray building across mine... That, I should say
is something that saddened me considerably.

I will do both what you suggest: try DNG and try Pentax software.


As an addendum, I just did a very quick and relatively non scientific look 
at a DNG and a PEF of the same subject (more or less). The PEF out of 
Lightroom is ever so very slightly warmer (I really had a hard time deciding 
if it was warmer of if I was imagining it, it's that small a difference) 
than the DNG.


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Re: PESO -- After the Fall II

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Use of the Fisheye complements this photo.   Regards, Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM, P. J.
Alling wrote:
> Some more suburban decay.
>
> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20afterthefallii.html
>
> Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax 17mm f4.0 Fisheye
>
> Notes:  I was able to recover a bit of detail in the sky, not easy as I
> accidentally shot at least half of this day on ISO 3200.
> --
>
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
This period will be marked in history as the time the Republicans
destroyed their Party.  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.
>
> I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just
> accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...
>
>
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> No Bill,
>> Zombies know they are dead.
>> The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada spends
>>> its tax dollars
>>>
>>>
>>>

 Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm


>>>
>>> That's code for Republican.
>>> I should go hide now.
>>>
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

But the Deme's are undead, so it's even I guess.

I'm sorry the Republicans aren't actually actively evil usually, just 
accidentally so, the Democrats on the other hand...



Bob Sullivan wrote:

No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:
  

- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada spends
its tax dollars




Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm

  

That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

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Re: PESO -- Ghost Town

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm writing something to go with a photo essay about the place so all 
will be revealed in time.  (It's been a long time since I've done 
something like that...)


Rick Womer wrote:

This is a really good series, Peter, with very nice rendering.

Where in CT is this?

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Mon, 8/17/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:

  

This is related to the after the fall
photos, and the after the fire photo, as well as lost
teddy.  One of a number of overview shots from a modern
day ghost town.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20ghosttown.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0

Notes:  Converted to B&W using Fotomatic B&W
Plus plugin with Red filter applied.  Platinum toned
using The Lights Right toning action.

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Re: GESO Fortress Guernsey

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Chris,
Interesting story and photos.
I love the stone forts outlasting the concrete.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> I'm on holiday in Guernsey - the home of my wife Karin. Guernsey is one of
> the Channel Islands (the other main ones are Jersey, Alderney and Sark).
> They've been part of the British Isles since the Norman Conquest (so not
> very long really!) and are still Crown Dependencies, albeit with a level of
> independence and tax haven status...
>
> Guernsey is only 9 miles by 5 miles and is an intriguing mix of English and
> French. English is the main language (although many of the older people
> speak the Guernsey patois which is a combination of Norman French, modern
> French and English), the pound is the currency and they drive on the right
> side of the road (i.e. the left). The names of the parishes and the street
> names are mostly French in origin.
>
> The threat of invasion has always been taken very seriously as the islands
> are much nearer to France than to England. The GESO here shows some of the
> defences - including those built by the Germans in WW2. The Channel Isles
> were the only bit of the British Isles to be occupied by Germany in WW2
> (there's a famous propaganda picture of German troops marching outside
> Lloyds bank in St Peter Port, Guernsey's town). Karin's parents were in
> Guernsey during the occupation and her mother is really good at telling the
> fascinating stories from that time.
>
> Hope you find this of interest:
> http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Fortress/index.html
>
> K7, mostly with DA* 16-50 and some DA* 50-135
>
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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I know it's cemented optical glass on a gelatin filter, and all but 
Tiffen's #87 is less expensive and a real Wratten equivalent, which will 
supposidly give you better results.  If you're looking for a screw in 
filter the 49 and 55mm mm sizes are half the price of any others at B&H.. 


David J Brooks wrote:

The internet is full of anti Pentax readings, not hard to find,, just
ask Ricehigh.

I shoot both Nikon and Pentax Dslr's and i can honestly say i have to
post process less on my K10D shots than my D200 or D2H shots. Colour
is a lot nicer out of the box so to speak.
You won't get much for your istD anyway. Buy a Hoya R72 filter and
have some IR fun.

Dave Brooks

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Chris
Stoddart wrote:
  

Hi folks,

I haven't posted here in a long time (couple years maybe?), mostly 'cos my
life and job got way too busy and I had a lot less time for photography (and
much PDML reading). Recently things have got a lot better, and I am a lot
more enthused about taking pictures again (and reading PDML of course!).

However, recently I got tired of looking at my old *istD sat idle and
thought about selling it. I mentioned it to a co-worker and he was initially
enthusiastic. Then I got this mail...



Chris I think I will give your Pentax a miss. I have been looking at
sample photos on the internet and they all have something in common,
that they look a little harsh to me and the colours are not easy on
the eye. That's what I like about my Fuji camera, the pictures are
soft and natural looking.
  

Now, I don't mind that he doesn't want it - that's fine and I am not
entirely sure I want to sell it anyway, but I get the feeling he might be
dissing my wee camera a bit too much here? :) Harsh and the colours not easy
on the eye? Has anyone ever come across that opinion of Pentax 'look & feel'
before? Should I thump him? BTW I have no idea what Fuji he's on about but
it's not a DSLR.

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Re: PESO- this one missed PUG...

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bong,
Like the 'triples' there and the texture in the plane's skin.  Nice photo.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:
> http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/
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> Took it while waiting around in the airport.
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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
No Bill,
Zombies know they are dead.
The Republican party hasn't figured that out yet.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, William Robb wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: OT: How Canada spends
> its tax dollars
>
>
>> Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm
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> That's code for Republican.
> I should go hide now.
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Re: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Just to illuminate this a bit further

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

Now would use a 43mm limited at f5.6 on a K-7 to record the zombie 
apocalypse or go retro and use film in an LX?


Bob W wrote:

Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm

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Re: How Canada spends its tax dollars

2009-08-18 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 
Subject: OT: How Canada spends its tax dollars




Some reassuring research from the White Hell of the North:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8206280.stm



That's code for Republican.
I should go hide now.

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Re: oh, my gosh . . .

2009-08-18 Thread AlunFoto
2009/8/18 Doug Franklin :
> A layered defense is essential.

Absolutely.
When having two or more machines available, that's easy to set up. And
it's funny you should write it like that, because that's one more
thing I did recently; to set up access to the old machine through RDP
rather than using a KMP switch. :-)

I don't really think our philosophies for security are all that
different. I'm totally in line with all your comments for the rest of
the houshold's computer, and have further security measures installed
on the kids' computers and between my photo workstation and the rest
of the local environment. But that's not something I wish to go on
record on a public list...

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Re: Pentax pictures are harsh and garish

2009-08-18 Thread AlunFoto
2009/8/18 Chris Stoddart :
> Now, I don't mind that he doesn't want it - that's fine and I am not
> entirely sure I want to sell it anyway, but I get the feeling he might be
> dissing my wee camera a bit too much here? :) Harsh and the colours not easy
> on the eye? Has anyone ever come across that opinion of Pentax 'look & feel'
> before? Should I thump him? BTW I have no idea what Fuji he's on about but
> it's not a DSLR.

When the *istD hit the market, Pentax got comments on being very
conservative as to the amount of both antialias filtering and colour
rendering. Soft and muted were general terms applied by reviewers, and
in hindsight I very much agree with them. The subsequent *ist models
sharpened up the rendering, both with regards to colour and intended
pun.

No need to thump him, I guess, but maybe remind him that it's futile
to judge a camera from web-sized images?

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Re: oh, my gosh . . .

2009-08-18 Thread Doug Franklin

AlunFoto wrote:


The real question is whether UAC is good enough to deserve the faith
you place in it.


The irony is that I place no particular faith in it, but I leave it 
enabled to make me think before clicking "OK". :-)



Microsoft has attempted to build
security for people who know nothing about the threats but everything
about convenience.


It's worse, actually.  They built the OS around convenience, and in some 
cases a raging naivete (e.g., ActiveX), then tried to paste security on 
as an afterthought.  Which is pretty strange in the case of NT and its 
children (2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 7), since NT started out with a 
reasonable security model ... it just was subverted by every other piece 
of code they wrote/write.



That's a tricky task. As it stands, UAC seems
nothing more than stating questions about decisions I'm already
conscious about as an advanced PC user.


That's true for some advanced users.  Most users of Windows aren't 
advanced.  Unfortunately,


1) Microsoft does nothing to educate those users of the significance of 
those popups from UAC


2) the UAC popups occur too often and sometimes for innocuous actions

3) the popups themselves do little to tell you what could happen or why 
the UAC window appeared in the first place


Which combine to undermine the usefulness of UAC, since they dropped the 
ball completely on the user education half of the equation.



Using admin level for ordinary work is probably unnecessary but old
habits are hard to break. But then again I have my old machine for
computer games and other more speculative stuff, like accounting
software and email. :-)


I help analyze viruses and other forms of malware for a living.  Those 
machines can't have A/V software, or it would "eat" the samples I'm 
examining.  At home or at work, I never do daily stuff as an admin user, 
except in a virtual machine.  It's one more barrier to the bad guys.  A 
layered defense is essential.


Even so, I have to log out and back in as an admin user about once every 
two weeks or so to get something done, like installing some software 
patches.  I don't consider that an inconvenience.  All of my games work 
just fine as a non-admin user, including some hogs, like Crysis and 
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