Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Boris Liberman

Congratulations, soon, sir, you would become a grandfather ;-).

It is interesting (from cultural/traditional point of view) for me to 
know that some set their wedding like more than 1 year in the future - 
not accustomed to that, my simple self, is...


Boris


David J Brooks wrote:

Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.

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Re: Anyone from Belgium on the list?

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

If so, I'd just like to say thank you for the Gouden Carolus
Special Blonde of the Emperor (it's a BEER, you perverts) that I
just enjoyed.

Ralf has probably shot the factory

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed:

Good review.

OT: He mentions the RED camera:

http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

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Re: Pentax - SPAMmers!

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

There's still plenty of time to get here. And if you're worried about the
cost, don't - we won't make you pay for a round.

She brings her own bottles, but you have to ask real nice to suck on them ;)

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Re: Pentax - SPAMmers!

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't really think this is something to get twisted up about.

That's a Mark.

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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:02:09PM -0700, Rick Womer wrote:
 I like to get there well ahead of the ceremony, and take some pix of the site 
 at my own pace.

I wasn't able to get there early.

 
 When I see the pro, if he or she has an idle moment, I introduce myself, and 
 explicitly assure them that I will stay out of the way.  Then I do just that.

When I got there, the first person I saw was the photographer. I did
not introduce myself to him. It would have been silly, since we met 36
years ago. In photo class.

 
 I try to get an aisle seat for the ceremony, but I stand up and sit down when 
 everyone else does.  Since the K10D makes a racket, I don't use it during 
 quiet or music bits.

I was going to go for an aisle seat, but it turns out that most of the
front row was open for whoever. So I got front row, from the end that
the sun was shining from.

 
 This has worked very nicely.  Often the pro has come up to =me=, during a 
 lull, just to have a photographic chat.  When my brother got married several 
 years ago, I ran out of film during the reception; the pro sidled over as I 
 rummaged through my bag, with my PZ-1p open on the table in front of me, and 
 held out her hand with three rolls of Tri-X in it.

At one point I saw Mark eating alone, and invited him over to our
table, but he was rushed and only had a few minutes to eat.

 
 I've gotten some photos that I (and others) have been happy with, too:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=865503

Very nice.

 
 Oh, yeah... I've also had fun.

That's kind of important too.

 
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  Subject: wedding photography ettiquette
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:22 PM
  I'm going to a friend's wedding this
  afternoon. 
  
  I'll be bringing my camera and such. I sent him a quick
  note, but he's
  probably already left for setting things up.
  
  What's the polite way to deal with the pro photographer, if
  there is
  one? Should I introduce myself and ask if they mind if I
  take photos?
  Or just try to blend in with the crowd?
  
  I suppose I should stick to p-ttl rather than optically
  slaving
  strobes if I use them, so my optically slaved doesn't
  trigger off of
  their flash. :)
  
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Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

I like this. But I'd crop out the thing that's intruding at right.

MARK!

I love it. Applies to any photograph at any time :-)

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Re: PESO 2009 - 166 ... Lightroom workshop! - GDG

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


Interesting notion, Christine. I've been thinking about what I can do
in an online training series.

You'll need a video making for you. I'll have to push a few things
through to make room in my diary ;)



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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/9/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

Stay out of the way.
Don't get in the way.
Don't ever get in the way.
Just stay out of the way.
Say hi to the photographer in passing if you wish, definitely smile and nod,
but don't bother seeking him out. As a photographer I am there to pay
attention to a particular group of people. You are not part of that group,
so distracting me is getting in the way.
Don't get in the way.
You should not have a tripod set up where it might get in the way.
Really, you shouldn't have a tripod set up at all.
Use flash if you like unless it triggers the photographer's flash. If it
does, then use flash every picture because the guy is a moron.
It's considered polite to not set up equipment, off camera flash is OK as
long as you are holding onto it.


I think that's a pretty good summary.

As a newsman, if I were at a friend's wedding, I would wander up and say
hello, smile and nod, crack a joke. I would never use a tripod anyway,
those pics are covered by you know who! You wouldn't see me, I'd always
be lurking in the shadows (prolly shooting the bridesmaids :) and I
certainly wouldn't ask anyone any permissions. Shoot until told not to,
and then shoot with covert operations plans B, C and D at the ready. But
that's just news ;-)

Go and have a great time and don't fret about the pro. Get the pics that
he or she can't because they are too damn busy earning a living !

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Re: Anyone from Belgium on the list?

2009-09-05 Thread Thibouille
You're welcome Mark :)

I totally understand what you mean.
I'd like to suggest that, in that matter (Belgian beers), you may just
have found you only want to know more... (Ask Boris).

Still a whole lot more to find out. If you know where to find some in
your area and want me to give some suggestions, feel free to ask. It
is Beers Weekend here in Brussels, Grand Place. Probably a couple guys
will take weird ways returning home ;)

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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread Larry Colen
I'm glad that I was just doing this for fun, and not trying to make a
living at it. I saw how hard Mark was working. I was just taking the
photos that looked fun and interesting to me.

I did stay out of Mark's way. Most of my chatting with him was simply
because he was an old friend, not because he was the photographer.

I am growing a deep and abiding hatred of the Pentax flash system. The
locking lever on my 540 has broken, yet again. It seems to work, in
that it'll rotate from side to side, but it doesn't actually lock the
flash in place any more.

The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright
light in the background. If I tried to put the flash in manual and set
things the way I wanted to, it would just ignore me and go back into
P-TTL. 


Interestingly, I was having a similar problem with a promaster flash
not staying in manual mode the other night, which makes me think that
it may be a camera body, rather than a flash thing.

Some of the problems were alleviated when I put the flash on the
bracket and used the sync cable instead of mounting the flash to the
shoe. However, the head doesn't hold itself tightly enough in
position, and when I have my diffuser on it (bigger lumiquest), if I
moved the camera into portrait mode, the head was likely to flop down.

I didn't pull out my monopod, and I lost a lot of my available light
shots due to camera blur. 

I did manage to get a few decent shots, nothing that I'm particularly
happy with. It was good practice, I've learned how much I need to
learn. 

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Re: Pentax - SPAMmers!

2009-09-05 Thread AlunFoto
2009/9/5 Cotty cotty...@mac.com:
 On 4/9/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't really think this is something to get twisted up about.

 That's a Mark.

 This is the PDML I am subscribed to right?

Somehow I can't imagine these comments floating a Canon forum, but
that's just me, I guess. :-)

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Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII

2009-09-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

On 4/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

I like this. But I'd crop out the thing that's intruding at right.

MARK!

I love it. Applies to any photograph at any time :-)

Well of course it does:
http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215340861


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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Peter Lovedaype...@loveday.org wrote:
 2009/9/4 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:

 Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
 as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

 So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
 Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.

 A basic part of any garden photographer's gearbox. ;-)

 And damn handy as a wedding photographer: carrying a D3x or a 1Ds mark III
 might get you 'pro' respect, but wielding a K7 in one hand and a chainsaw in
 the other trumps that any day :)

Have an annoying tree in the back ground, don't move the set up, just
cut 'er down.

Dave

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:12 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Charles Robinson wrote:

 On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:05, David J Brooks wrote:

 Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
 as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

 So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
 Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.


 But you'll need a nice camera to take pictures at the wedding!

  -Charles

 I thought you were going to say he needed a nice camera to take pictures of
 the chain saw...

Gallery being worked on.

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 9/4/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

  - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: OT The date
 has been set



  Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
  as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)
 
  So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
  Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.
 

  We should probably take up a collection for Dave.

 The average US wedding costs about $20,000.  Converting to Canadian
 Dollars, that's, um, lessee.carry the oneadd a
 zero$21,723.60CAD.  I currently have $12 in my wallet.  Maybe we
 should publish another book.

Might need two books.:-)

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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread paul stenquist


On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


I'm glad that I was just doing this for fun, and not trying to make a
living at it. I saw how hard Mark was working. I was just taking the
photos that looked fun and interesting to me.

I did stay out of Mark's way. Most of my chatting with him was simply
because he was an old friend, not because he was the photographer.

I am growing a deep and abiding hatred of the Pentax flash system. The
locking lever on my 540 has broken, yet again. It seems to work, in
that it'll rotate from side to side, but it doesn't actually lock the
flash in place any more.


When you rotate the lever, a pin descends. If the flash isn't fully  
inserted, the pin will miss the hole. The assembly is a bit fragile.


The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright
light in the background.


Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that.


If I tried to put the flash in manual and set
things the way I wanted to, it would just ignore me and go back into
P-TTL.


Interestingly, I was having a similar problem with a promaster flash
not staying in manual mode the other night, which makes me think that
it may be a camera body, rather than a flash thing.

Some of the problems were alleviated when I put the flash on the
bracket and used the sync cable instead of mounting the flash to the
shoe. However, the head doesn't hold itself tightly enough in
position, and when I have my diffuser on it (bigger lumiquest), if I
moved the camera into portrait mode, the head was likely to flop down.


Yeah, I wish the detent stops were firmer.

Paul




I didn't pull out my monopod, and I lost a lot of my available light
shots due to camera blur.

I did manage to get a few decent shots, nothing that I'm particularly
happy with. It was good practice, I've learned how much I need to
learn.

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
Some times the economics of the new couple work out better that way.
My daughter-in-law's sister is planning to wed about the same time.
Long lead time and lots of places are already booked...
perhaps postponing the big event to better economic conditions?
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Congratulations, soon, sir, you would become a grandfather ;-).

 It is interesting (from cultural/traditional point of view) for me to know
 that some set their wedding like more than 1 year in the future - not
 accustomed to that, my simple self, is...

 Boris


 David J Brooks wrote:

 Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
 as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

 So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
 Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.

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Open Source Photo Editing?

2009-09-05 Thread Doug Franklin
We've talked several times around the PDML about using Open Source 
systems in your photo workflow.  In the past, there really hasn't been 
much for the advanced amateur photographer due to two main issues: lack 
of 16-bit per component color support and lack of color management support.


Well, I ran across an article a few minutes ago about a new version of 
digiKam (http://www.digikam.org/) that provides 16-bit per component 
color support and claims to provide at least some color management 
support.  Not sure how that works if the underlying system doesn't have 
color management in place (like Linux/X).


digiKam is built using the KDE libraries and user interface on Linux (I 
prefer Gnome, but you can't have everything).  It also has a Windows 
project available.  From my quick read of the web site, the Windows 
version might require the KDE-Windows project for its user interface.


I haven't tried it yet, but I'll try to install and play with it next week.

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Re: SMC Takumar 135/3.5 ...

2009-09-05 Thread Mat Maessen
On 9/4/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 A friend gave me a malfunctioning Spotmatic II today, but it is fitted with
 one of these lenses in near mint condition. I don't know the M42 lenses at
 all.. Is this one of the good ones?

I have one of these, bought it for $10 at a camera show.

Best $10 I ever spent towards photography.

The bokeh is wonderfully creamy, and I was surprised at how sharp it is.

Take it out, shoot with it.

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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:05 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright
 light in the background.

 Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that.


The Nikon i-TTL system is VERY good at avoiding it. I'd expect the K-7
to be better than older Pentax bodies as my experience is that the
more zones the meter has, the less likely a background point source
will cause this sort of underexposure. Nikon's 1005 pixel meter is the
standard here and nobody else comes close in this specific instance
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Almost bought a K-7

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
I got a chance to play some with the K-7 and was very impressed. I was
trying to figure out how to justify getting one but I just couldn't
make it work and had to settle for the Oly E-30 instead because of its
lens compatibility with my G1.

I'm rather disappointed, although the E-30 is a very nice camera.

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Re: SMC Takumar 135/3.5 ...

2009-09-05 Thread Luiz Felipe
Godfrey, I have the SMC Takumar 135mm f/ 2.5, m42, 58mm filters. I do 
like this lens. The not-so-good lens of the time was a 2.8 version using 
52mm filters - reports, not hands-on eval.


From an old Takumar booklet and memory, the 3.5 is simpler, less 
elements - and should be crisper than the 2.5. Pls test, and comment. 
Since it's smaller and lighter than the 2.5, I'd consider it a fine 
walking option. Cheap, still in the fast zone. I'd gladly buy one as 
soon as I end paying the current set of enablements.


lf

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A friend gave me a malfunctioning Spotmatic II today, but it is fitted 
with one of these lenses in near mint condition. I don't know the M42 
lenses at all.. Is this one of the good ones?


It's nice: small and light, nice feel on the G1. Don't have time to test 
it today but I'll give it whirl over the weekend. :-)


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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/9/09, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've learned how much I need to learn.

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Re: Pentax - SPAMmers!

2009-09-05 Thread William Robb


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Re: wedding photography ettiquette

2009-09-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: paul stenquist

Subject: Re: wedding photography ettiquette





The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright
light in the background.


Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that.



This is why I still use my big dumb Metz 60 CT-2. It doesn't talk to the 
camera, it just fires when told to and gives correct exposure.


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Re: PESO--Making Tracks

2009-09-05 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/4/2009 7:02:29 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
rwomer1...@yahoo.com writes:
Work has been very demanding, and  I'm way behind on the list (again).

Our transit agency in Philadelphia is  preparing to replace some of the 
trolley (tram) tracks in our  neighborhood.  I took this on my way home earlier 
this week, where the new  rail is being  stored.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9736300size=lg

(K10D,  FA 50/1.7)

Rick

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Nice one, Rick. Kinda wish there  was no shadow but realize you had no 
control over that. :-)

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Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII

2009-09-05 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/4/2009 4:52:12 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com  writes:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitledxviii.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited

As usual comments are  welcome but may be totally ignored.


Heh. He looks  like an unhappy camper.

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FS - Asahi Pentax M 50mm SMC f1.7 - as new - barely used K mount

2009-09-05 Thread ann sanfedele

Asahi Pentax M  50mm SMC f1.7 - as new - barely used (if at all) K mount
model number on lens is 4017979  includes front and rear caps.

selling for a friend -- I know it isnt Friday anymore...

Buy it from me, will ya?  

It really is in perfect condition cosmetically as well as operationally 
(not like my lenses :-) that are battered

and bruised.

I still have that Sigma wide angle with macro capability ..

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RE: SMC Takumar 135/3.5 ...

2009-09-05 Thread J.C. O'Connell
There were three SMC era srewmount takumars,
the 135/3.5, the 135/2.5 with 5 elements, and the
135/2.5 with 6 elements. The latter is the best of
the three. Whether the 135/3.5 or 5 element 135/2.5
is better or worse is a matter of debate but there
is no hard fast rule that less or more elements
makes a lens better or worse. I an say in this case
though that the 6 element F2.5 version is better than
the 5 element F2.5 version, especially wide open
and at closer range.

As an interesting side note, I have been actively
involved with the SMC tak lenses since the mid 1980's
when I first started buying and using them. What is
unusual is that they are now selling at an all time
high price despite the so called economic meltdown
of '08-'09 and there isnt even a auto aperture supporting DSLR
for them yet. Those are some really good lenses, optically,
and mechanically.

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Godfrey, I have the SMC Takumar 135mm f/ 2.5, m42, 58mm filters. I do 
like this lens. The not-so-good lens of the time was a 2.8 version using

52mm filters - reports, not hands-on eval.

 From an old Takumar booklet and memory, the 3.5 is simpler, less 
elements - and should be crisper than the 2.5. Pls test, and comment. 
Since it's smaller and lighter than the 2.5, I'd consider it a fine 
walking option. Cheap, still in the fast zone. I'd gladly buy one as 
soon as I end paying the current set of enablements.

lf

Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu:
 A friend gave me a malfunctioning Spotmatic II today, but it is fitted
 with one of these lenses in near mint condition. I don't know the M42 
 lenses at all.. Is this one of the good ones?
 
 It's nice: small and light, nice feel on the G1. Don't have time to 
 test
 it today but I'll give it whirl over the weekend. :-)
 
 Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com
 
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Re: Kodachrome is great and all, but...

2009-09-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Joseph Tainter

...take a look at this gallery of color photography from Russian taken 100
years ago. Simply amazing.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214585

-

Wow. And I thought the past was in black-and-white.

What chemistry did he use to create the final images? None of the sites 
describes that.


Joe



According to the Wiki article, he projected the 3 negatives 
simultaneously with appropriate colored lights to display his images.


His printed images were done using a photogravure - they were not 
chemical prints.


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Very OT: Hidden World

2009-09-05 Thread Bob W
It gives me great satisfaction that despite war, plague, famine and the rest
of the apocalyptic herd the world still contains stuff like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8206836.stm

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Re: Kodachrome is great and all, but...

2009-09-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Scott Loveless

On 9/3/09, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 08:54:58PM -0400, Desjardins, Steve scripsit:


  I didn't realize they could do color that well back then.



 Arguably, they couldn't; it was a three-sequential-negatives process,
  and really tough to put back together chemically to get a colour image.

  If I'm following the various articles correctly, many of the images now
  available were not available at the time; digital recombination is much
  easier and the Library of Congress had all the possible ones done.


I thought it was 3 monochrome positives projected through 3 separate
filters.  Red, green and blue, or something like that.  And that
getting the projectors set up properly was the hard part.  Or maybe
I'm smoking crack again.


The Library of Congress server was down for maintenance last night, so I 
couldn't see what they had to say until this morning.


It looks like he displayed his color images using the magic lantern 
process you describe, but didn't print them in color. The reference 
prints shown by Library of Congress are black  white.


There's a link to Making Color Images from ... that shows a camera 
similar to the one he used and a projector for projecting the images.


http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/making.html

Found another set here searching for digichromatography

http://www.gridenko.com/pg1/index.htm

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Peter Loveday

2009/9/4 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:

 Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
 as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

 So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
 Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.


 A basic part of any garden photographer's gearbox.  ;-) 


And damn handy as a wedding photographer: carrying a D3x or a 1Ds mark III 
might get you 'pro' respect, but wielding a K7 in one hand and a chainsaw in 
the other trumps that any day  :) 


Depends on the chain saw. Show up with a McCulloch and they'll laugh you 
out of the church.


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Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII

2009-09-05 Thread Ken Waller
What Paul said, plus I'd crop a little off the top to prevent the sliver of 
dark above the white roof on the LH side.


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- Original Message - 
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Subject: Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII



I like this. But I'd crop out the thing that's intruding at right.
Paul
On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:48 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitledxviii.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 08:07:23AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Boris,
 Some times the economics of the new couple work out better that way.

If it had been 13 rather than 3 months between between my proposing
to my ex-wife and the wedding date, my economics would have worked out
much better.

We never would have made it through such a long engagement. My
inclination for future weddings is that the engagement period be long
enough that the honeymoon involves ice-skating on the river Styx.


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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/9/09, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

If it had been 13 rather than 3 months between between my proposing
to my ex-wife and the wedding date, my economics would have worked out
much better.

Ooooh, that's tight. With my first wife it was 6 months between the two.
With my second, it was 15 years.

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Re: PESO--Making Tracks

2009-09-05 Thread Ken Waller

Nice capture. The space between the rails on the RH side adds interest.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com

Subject: PESO--Making Tracks



Work has been very demanding, and I'm way behind on the list (again).

Our transit agency in Philadelphia is preparing to replace some of the 
trolley (tram) tracks in our neighborhood.  I took this on my way home 
earlier this week, where the new rail is being stored.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9736300size=lg

(K10D, FA 50/1.7)

Rick

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Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII

2009-09-05 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com

Subject: Re: PESO - Untitled XVIII



On 4/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:


I like this. But I'd crop out the thing that's intruding at right.


Or left

Or top

Or bottom



MARK!

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread ann sanfedele

Dave -
encourage them to elope... stress the fun and adventure of it...
then what ever paltry funds can be gathered can be saved for something 
really useful like food and rent!


ann

David J Brooks wrote:


On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
 


On 9/4/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
   


- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: OT The date
has been set



 


Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.

   


We should probably take up a collection for Dave.
 


The average US wedding costs about $20,000.  Converting to Canadian
Dollars, that's, um, lessee.carry the oneadd a
zero$21,723.60CAD.  I currently have $12 in my wallet.  Maybe we
should publish another book.
   



Might need two books.:-)

Dave
 


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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:54 , ann sanfedele wrote:


Dave -
encourage them to elope... stress the fun and adventure of it...
then what ever paltry funds can be gathered can be saved for  
something really useful like food and rent!


ann


Here. Here.

Worked twice for me.

#1 Reno.

#2 Justice of the Peace in Virginia.

In both cases the parents did pool their money for a proper wedding  
at a later date, with a lovely setting, but minimal expense on  
trimmings, food, etc.



Joseph McAllister
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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Elvis wedding in Vegas. You never forget it. 
Steve Desjardins

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Sent: Sat Sep 05 13:40:45 2009
Subject: Re: OT The date has been set

From: Peter Loveday
 2009/9/4 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
  Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
  as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)
 
  So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
  Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.
 
  A basic part of any garden photographer's gearbox.  ;-) 
 
 And damn handy as a wedding photographer: carrying a D3x or a 1Ds mark III 
 might get you 'pro' respect, but wielding a K7 in one hand and a chainsaw in 
 the other trumps that any day  :) 

Depends on the chain saw. Show up with a McCulloch and they'll laugh you 
out of the church.

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products until after
SP1 or even SP2.
I never buy a car that's been in production for less than a year.
Early adoptors usually enjoy the luxury of an extra risk.
I can't wait for the K-7 to mature... ]=)
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/4 Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu:
 Yep.  They need to be careful.  Lots of folks don't want to do extensive 
 testing right off the back to see if they have a lemon or not.

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Peter Loveday wrote:

2009/9/4 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:

Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.


A basic part of any garden photographer's gearbox. ;-)


And damn handy as a wedding photographer: carrying a D3x or a 1Ds mark 
III might get you 'pro' respect, but wielding a K7 in one hand and a 
chainsaw in the other trumps that any day :)


- Peter

Dave Brooks, is a chain saw, he doesn't have to wield one, that would be 
redundant.


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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
When Dave Brooks walks in a forest, the trees clap with one hand.
Only Dave Brooks can ask Adobe for a chainsaw plug-in and actually get one.

Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/5 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
 Dave Brooks, is a chain saw, he doesn't have to wield one, that would be
 redundant.

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Re: SMC Takumar 135/3.5 ...

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
A friend gave me a malfunctioning Spotmatic II today, but it is fitted 
with one of these lenses in near mint condition. I don't know the M42 
lenses at all.. Is this one of the good ones?


It's nice: small and light, nice feel on the G1. Don't have time to 
test it today but I'll give it whirl over the weekend. :-)


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I have the K version which is identical optically to the SMC Takumar, 
it's very sharp.  I'd probably shoot more with it except, I have the K 
135 f2.5 and the M 120 f2.8 the first is a lot heavier, but a lot 
faster, the second quit a bit much smaller and a bit lighter.  I was 
unable to see much difference between the the two K 135mm lenses at 
equal f stops.  The M 120 might be a bit softer wide open but it's 
/much/ smaller and lighter.


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Re: Kodachrome is great and all, but...

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
There was a three color gelatin gum process, (non silver except for the 
negitives), that used three bw images made with the proper filtration.  
The gel prints had to be floated off their backing onto a new 
substrate.  It wasn't difficult in theory but a PITA in practice.  I 
think it was invented sometime in the 1800's.  It would produce a soft 
(as in focus), pastel color print if you did /everything/ right.  Now 
I'm working from memory here, I haven't seen the book I got this from in 
quite some time.  I tried googling and came up with this.  No examples 
though.


http://tinyurl.com/mobsa8

John Sessoms wrote:

From: Scott Loveless

On 9/3/09, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 08:54:58PM -0400, Desjardins, Steve scripsit:


  I didn't realize they could do color that well back then.



 Arguably, they couldn't; it was a three-sequential-negatives process,
  and really tough to put back together chemically to get a colour 
image.


  If I'm following the various articles correctly, many of the 
images now
  available were not available at the time; digital recombination 
is much

  easier and the Library of Congress had all the possible ones done.


I thought it was 3 monochrome positives projected through 3 separate
filters.  Red, green and blue, or something like that.  And that
getting the projectors set up properly was the hard part.  Or maybe
I'm smoking crack again.


The Library of Congress server was down for maintenance last night, so 
I couldn't see what they had to say until this morning.


It looks like he displayed his color images using the magic lantern 
process you describe, but didn't print them in color. The reference 
prints shown by Library of Congress are black  white.


There's a link to Making Color Images from ... that shows a camera 
similar to the one he used and a projector for projecting the images.


http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/making.html

Found another set here searching for digichromatography

http://www.gridenko.com/pg1/index.htm

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread William Robb



2009/9/4 Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu:
Yep. They need to be careful. Lots of folks don't want to do extensive 
testing right off the back to see if they have a lemon or not.



- Original Message - 
From: Eckehard Wegner

Subject: Re: Interesting K7 review


In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products until after
SP1 or even SP2.
I never buy a car that's been in production for less than a year.
Early adoptors usually enjoy the luxury of an extra risk.
I can't wait for the K-7 to mature... ]=)

Unfortunately, because of the lifecycle of these things, by the time they 
might have the bugs worked out they are already ramping up new models, so 
rather than fix the bugs in the old product, they release a new one with 
it's own bugs.


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Re: Fred Called

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

52 weeks of Christinemas :-)

Igor

Fri Sep 4 09:57:22 CDT 2009
Christine Aguila wrote:

Well, Christmas is only 4 months away. Treat yourself

I've used that one for the last 52 camera-related purchases, Dave.  It's 
suffering from overuse!  ;-)


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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Miserere wrote:

2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com:
  

In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price
point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see
full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer.



Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300
for their next flagship APS-C camera. And if they can't, then will
they get enough financial ROI by selling them below $1k from launch?


 --M.
  
I don't know, Cannon seems to think if they pack enough MP into their 
1.6x crop sensor they can command $1700US for one.  Sure it has 
specifications out the wazoo*, but when you come down to it it's noise 
characteristics will be a lot like the K20D/K-7 at high ISO, unless 
they've repealed some of the laws of physics.


http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2009/09/canon-7d.html



* I'm not sure what a wazoo is but Canon probably has one.

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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:


 I don't know, Cannon seems to think if they pack enough MP into their 1.6x
 crop sensor they can command $1700US for one.  Sure it has specifications
 out the wazoo*, but when you come down to it it's noise characteristics will
 be a lot like the K20D/K-7 at high ISO, unless they've repealed some of the
 laws of physics.

 http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2009/09/canon-7d.html



 * I'm not sure what a wazoo is but Canon probably has one.

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It's not the 18MP, but rather the 8fps and semi-pro build that
commands the $1800. It's pretty much the same price as the 12MP D300s,
but the 7D is overall slightly better specified.

Remember, Pentax goes fairly light on the NR, preferring resolution
over noise performance. Canon does the opposite. If the Rebel T1i is
any indication with its D300-level noise performance despite having
15MP on a sensor smaller than the D300's 12MP sensor the 7D will
likely produce cleaner files than the K-7/K20D, but probably will
deliver no resolution advantage over the K-7/K20D due to NR losses.
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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Eckehard Wegner wrote:

When Dave Brooks walks in a forest, the trees clap with one hand.
Only Dave Brooks can ask Adobe for a chainsaw plug-in and actually get one.

Dave Brooks can shoot with a Nikon D1 and get a 6-megapixel photo.

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Any hidden gems in Turin, Genoa and vicinities?

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

I will be in Turin in a week for a conference, but I will
get to see things in the city and around.
We might drive (or take a train) to Genoa for a day.
We are going to drive to some wineries as well.

So, if anybody is aware of any hidden gems to see (and to photography)
there, I would appreciate the pointers.

(I don't remember if any of PDMLers was from that part of Italy.)

Thank you,

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RE: Any hidden gems in Turin, Genoa and vicinities?

2009-09-05 Thread Bob W
 
 I will be in Turin in a week for a conference, but I will get 
 to see things in the city and around.
 We might drive (or take a train) to Genoa for a day.
 We are going to drive to some wineries as well.
 

In Turin there's the negative of an early self-portrait photograph by
Leonardo da Vinci. Apart from that there's nothing of any interest at all in
the whole of Italy.

Bob


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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps 
is a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work 
for /Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine would be 
supplying a 1D something or other. It looks more like Canon has repealed 
the laws of economics...


Adam Maas wrote:

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
  

I don't know, Cannon seems to think if they pack enough MP into their 1.6x
crop sensor they can command $1700US for one.  Sure it has specifications
out the wazoo*, but when you come down to it it's noise characteristics will
be a lot like the K20D/K-7 at high ISO, unless they've repealed some of the
laws of physics.

http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2009/09/canon-7d.html



* I'm not sure what a wazoo is but Canon probably has one.

--



It's not the 18MP, but rather the 8fps and semi-pro build that
commands the $1800. It's pretty much the same price as the 12MP D300s,
but the 7D is overall slightly better specified.

Remember, Pentax goes fairly light on the NR, preferring resolution
over noise performance. Canon does the opposite. If the Rebel T1i is
any indication with its D300-level noise performance despite having
15MP on a sensor smaller than the D300's 12MP sensor the 7D will
likely produce cleaner files than the K-7/K20D, but probably will
deliver no resolution advantage over the K-7/K20D due to NR losses.
  



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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Mark Roberts wrote:

Eckehard Wegner wrote:

  

When Dave Brooks walks in a forest, the trees clap with one hand.
Only Dave Brooks can ask Adobe for a chainsaw plug-in and actually get one.



Dave Brooks can shoot with a Nikon D1 and get a 6-megapixel photo.
  

And?


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Re: SMC Takumar 135/3.5 ...

2009-09-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Well, given the replies, I don't really know which lens I have. It's a
Pentax M42 thread mount, the bezel says Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR
1:3.5/135 ASAHI OPT. CO. JAPAN  5243920. Takes a 49mm filter ...
To my amazement, I found I had almost the original lens hood sitting
in a drawer (for the 100/4, 100/2.8 and 120/2.8 ... a little short for
FourThirds format, but better than nothing). But no matter. It's
irrelevant as to what it's better or worse than, for my use. I can see
immediately that it is a better performer than the single-coated
Takumar K-Mount 135/2.5 I had once upon a time ($22 from KEH...),
particularly wide open.

The lens is that beautiful old design and feel, mechanically: solid,
tight, smooth in operation on all controls. Very satisfying to handle
and use. It's a nice fit on the G1, L1 or E-1 bodies, will be good as
a long lens to carry for travel work. This one has a six-bladed iris.

I took it out this morning and did some testing. CA on all exposures
is pretty restrained, corrected with about +13RG/-14YB using
Lightroom's tools consistently across all apertures. First set, one at
each lens opening from f/3.5 to f/22, was of a flat brick wall and
garage door. I screwed up and had Auto ISO set so the last three
exposures showed ISO gain up to ISO 400 and consequent intrusion of
noise, but overall I'd say its performance peaks about f/5.6-8 on
center and around f/8-11 at corners/edges, holds that to f/16, and
drops off beyond that. I then shot a detailed target against a blank
white sky to stress for fringing etc ... well constrained light green
fringing wide open but not much of it and just about gone by f/8.
Detailing at f/5.6-f/11 is very high, good contrast. Bokeh is very
nice overall ... a couple of small specular highlights on one shot are
a little hollow shaped wide open and look nicer a stop down but
they're so small that I only noticed them at 2x magnification on
screen.

I also fitted it onto the Olympus EC14 1.4x teleconverter and did some
tests there. Like with every other lens I've tested this teleconverter
with, there is no apparent degradation of the lens characteristics or
sharpness with this teleconverter that I can see. Same CA correction,
everything else same. (Amazing teleconverter, probably the best I've
ever used!)

Nice lens. :-)

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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps is a
 selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work for
 /Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine would be supplying a
 1D something or other. It looks more like Canon has repealed the laws of
 economics...


It's a huge selling point, since the 7D is about 40% of the price of a
1DmIII, but delivers 80% of the fps and has a newer, possibly better
AF unit, along with a more compact size and much more resolution.

Expect the wildlife types to buy 7D's in droves. And there's plenty of
amateur and semi-pro users who need that sort of performance but don't
have 1D money. Lots more guys shooting local sports than SI shooters.


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Re: peso - Brittany

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Then you should be using a shorter lens, so I guess size does matter in 
a perverse sense after all...


David J Brooks wrote:

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Derby Changder...@iinet.net.au wrote:

  

BW. I would have pulled back slightly. The pose is a little awkward, so a
bit less crop might have helped. Pretty set, though. The first shot is my
favourite.



If i was allowed to get that close to a pretty girl, i'm gona get close.

:-)  :-)

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:

 Eckehard Wegner wrote:



 When Dave Brooks walks in a forest, the trees clap with one hand.
 Only Dave Brooks can ask Adobe for a chainsaw plug-in and actually get
 one.


 Dave Brooks can shoot with a Nikon D1 and get a 6-megapixel photo.


 And?

He can also shoot with a D200 and get a 3 mp photo.

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:46:32PM +0200, Eckehard Wegner wrote:
 In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products until after
 SP1 or even SP2.

You made a minor grammatical error. Here let me help you fix it:

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Re: OT The date has been set

2009-09-05 Thread David J Brooks
Ann, and Steve.

Liz and I took them on a 5 day trip to Vegas in 2007, they never got
the hint.:-)

I've had a ladder out side Erins room for so long, its part of the
aluminum siding now.:-0

Dave

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Dave -
 encourage them to elope... stress the fun and adventure of it...
 then what ever paltry funds can be gathered can be saved for something
 really useful like food and rent!

 ann

 David J Brooks wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 On 9/4/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:


 - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: OT The date
 has been set





 Well, its official. Erin and Sparky, er James have set October 30 2010
 as their wedding date. Let the bridzilaing begin.:-)

 So much for the new truck, the K7 or D300, however i just bought a
 Poulan electric chain saw whilst i could still afford it.



 We should probably take up a collection for Dave.


 The average US wedding costs about $20,000.  Converting to Canadian
 Dollars, that's, um, lessee.carry the oneadd a
 zero$21,723.60CAD.  I currently have $12 in my wallet.  Maybe we
 should publish another book.


 Might need two books.:-)

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
For anything other than Windoze you are actually quite right. My
customers are open to most things but they will not switch OS. Yet at
the same time I try to achieve as many things as possible with Windows
built-in options rather than to add programs. k.i.s.s. and Pareto
really.

And remember: Linux for development, MacOS for productivity and
Windows for Minesweeper.

Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/6 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:46:32PM +0200, Eckehard Wegner wrote:
 In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products until after
 SP1 or even SP2.

 You made a minor grammatical error. Here let me help you fix it:

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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability.  I see a 
lot of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box stores.  
However I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of those stores.  It's 
difficult to comparison sell Josephine Six-Pack, on a smaller lighter 
camera if you can't actually compare it to the competition.  People will 
buy what's available.  In other words, 'Any idiot can buy a low end 
Canon/Nikon/Sony/Olympus DSLR, it takes a special kind of idiot to seek 
out Pentax.



Adam Maas wrote:

I'm unsure of 4/3rds viability long-term. I suspect strongly that the
lower-end 4/3rds DSLR's will be killed off by Micro4/3rds and the
higher-end line will be on life support and exist mostly to fill in
the gaps for Micro-4/3rds users.  4/3rds simply hasn't been able to
capitalize on the promise of smaller lenses and cameras. As a
practical matter Pentax simply dominates the small DSLR segment,
offering a true compact system in the K-m/DA Limiteds, a compact
high-performance system with the K-7 and DA Limiteds where Olympus
actually has some of the larger available crop-format DSLR's (the E-3,
E-30 and E-520 are all among the largest entries in their respective
segments, the E-450 and E620 are only the smallest when considered
without a mounted lens, the K-m/DA40 package is smaller than either of
the compact E-series bodies paired with the 25 pancake, their smallest
configuration)

I think that Micro4/3rds has a strong future ahead of it as it's
getting the chance to build serious market share before there's any
real competition in its segment.

-Adam

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Desjardins, Stevedesjard...@wlu.edu wrote:
  

I admit I'm more amenable to the APS-C forever, unless it is beaten out by 4/3.  The 
point is that even though MF and LF existed, the smaller 35 mm dominated because the IQ was good 
enough.  I think that's where APS-C or 4/3 is now.  Of course, good enough doesn't make 
sense to many on this list because there is an intrinsic selection for folks with higher 
photographic standards.  OTOH, I think that non-slr cameras like the EP-1 and the G1 are about to 
start eating up some of the enthusiast market.  If anything kills the APS-C DSLR it will be these.


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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability.  I see a lot
 of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box stores.  However
 I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of those stores.  It's difficult to
 comparison sell Josephine Six-Pack, on a smaller lighter camera if you can't
 actually compare it to the competition.  People will buy what's available.
  In other words, 'Any idiot can buy a low end Canon/Nikon/Sony/Olympus DSLR,
 it takes a special kind of idiot to seek out Pentax.



I see a lot more Pentax's around than Oly's, in fact i regularly see
Pentax DSLR's of various vintages on the street. Sure they're in the
big-box stores, but they don't seem to be selling much. The only thing
less common is the last batch of low-end Sony's, but that's likely
because their new body design causes hand cramps.

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Eckehard Wegnereckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 For anything other than Windoze you are actually quite right. My
 customers are open to most things but they will not switch OS. Yet at
 the same time I try to achieve as many things as possible with Windows
 built-in options rather than to add programs. k.i.s.s. and Pareto
 really.

 And remember: Linux for development, MacOS for productivity and
 Windows for Minesweeper.

 Cheers
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K-7 file size?

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

What is the typical file size of an image produced by k7 (or a typical
range)?  I am interested in PEF and in DNG formats.

Thank you,

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Ah, for the good old days of Windows 3.x where a simple one line change 
in an INI file would turn your PC into a dedicated machine for playing 
Solitaire.


Eckehard Wegner wrote:

For anything other than Windoze you are actually quite right. My
customers are open to most things but they will not switch OS. Yet at
the same time I try to achieve as many things as possible with Windows
built-in options rather than to add programs. k.i.s.s. and Pareto
really.

And remember: Linux for development, MacOS for productivity and
Windows for Minesweeper.

Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/6 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
  

On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:46:32PM +0200, Eckehard Wegner wrote:


In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products until after
SP1 or even SP2.
  

You made a minor grammatical error. Here let me help you fix it:

In my job I don't recommend productive use of M$ products.

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Re: K-7 file size?

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't have a K-7 but I got the impression that the file sizes were 
pretty much the same as those for the K20D.  10,000~14,000KB for PEFs 
~23000+ KB for DNGs.


Igor Roshchin wrote:

What is the typical file size of an image produced by k7 (or a typical
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PESO Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Picked up an eBayed DFA 100 today, new, 25% beneath lowest internet
price, hopefully there won't be too much warranty registration
trouble; it is left over stock from a reseller gone belly up. First
impression: lens renders crisply and nicely, shaft AF is quite fast
despite long travel, my K10D tends to hunt very little but always
seems to run off in the wrong direction, slam into the limiter so
noisily (I wonder how long the lens will withstand that) and then go
back. The hood is great to protect the front element from curious baby
fingers. Took some shots of our son Mattis Bendix and being the proud
dad I am, I just knew I had to post a pic of him eventually, so I
might as well now seeing I have such a sweet excuse to go brag about
him. Same picasa link as last time:

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/sredir?uname=eckinatortarget=PHOTOid=5378115921443436098aid=5374043372372891137authkey=Gv1sRgCNqL6t_Yvcy8eQfeat=email

Love the expression, wonder if I should crop or edit the background.
Comments, criticism and suggestions always welcome.

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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Couldn't agree with you more but 95% of the users I deal with use less
than 5% of the features of Excel. In fact they hardly do anything
Works couldn't do. Office is for key and power users. All other can
get OpenOffice and do their stuff just fne.

Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/6 Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca:
 On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Eckehard Wegnereckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 For anything other than Windoze you are actually quite right. My
 customers are open to most things but they will not switch OS. Yet at
 the same time I try to achieve as many things as possible with Windows
 built-in options rather than to add programs. k.i.s.s. and Pareto
 really.

 And remember: Linux for development, MacOS for productivity and
 Windows for Minesweeper.

 Cheers
 Ecke


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 Office, particularly Excel.

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OT TWM t-shirt

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin


This is funny!

The product:
http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Three-Short-Sleeve/dp/B002HJ377A
Read the reviews (and the comments after the first two reviews - once
you click on read more):
http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Three-Short-Sleeve/product-reviews/B002HJ377A/
Also see first few images and their captions:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B002HJ377A/


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Re: Any hidden gems in Turin, Genoa and vicinities?

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin


Sat Sep 5 17:05:24 CDT 2009
Bob W wrote:

 
  I will be in Turin in a week for a conference, but I will get
  to see things in the city and around.
  We might drive (or take a train) to Genoa for a day.
  We are going to drive to some wineries as well.
 

 In Turin there's the negative of an early self-portrait photograph by
 Leonardo da Vinci. Apart from that there's nothing of any interest at
 all in
 the whole of Italy.

 Bob

Of course, ... what interesting could be in that long boot?! ;-)


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Re: PESO Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

Ecke,

You caught a great expression!
Even before reading that you asked about cropping, - I thought
that I'd crop about 1/5th from the right - to the most
left point of a brownish box ro something in the background,
or even slightly to the left of that point - most likely
right around the beginning of the shoulder.

I love my DFA-100.

Cheers,

Igor


Sat Sep 5 18:08:20 CDT 2009
Eckehard Wegner wrote:


Picked up an eBayed DFA 100 today, new, 25% beneath lowest internet
price, hopefully there won't be too much warranty registration
trouble; it is left over stock from a reseller gone belly up. First
impression: lens renders crisply and nicely, shaft AF is quite fast
despite long travel, my K10D tends to hunt very little but always
seems to run off in the wrong direction, slam into the limiter so
noisily (I wonder how long the lens will withstand that) and then go
back. The hood is great to protect the front element from curious baby
fingers. Took some shots of our son Mattis Bendix and being the proud
dad I am, I just knew I had to post a pic of him eventually, so I
might as well now seeing I have such a sweet excuse to go brag about
him. Same picasa link as last time:

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/sredir?uname=eckinatortarget=PHOTOid=5378115921443436098aid=5374043372372891137authkey=Gv1sRgCNqL6t_Yvcy8eQfeat=email

Love the expression, wonder if I should crop or edit the background.
Comments, criticism and suggestions always welcome.

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Re: PESO Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Thank you for the kind comment, Igor.
You're referring to the back rest of the baby chair - I kinda had the
same idea with the option of editing it out because I like the free
space to the right.
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/6 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org:

 Ecke,

 You caught a great expression!
 Even before reading that you asked about cropping, - I thought
 that I'd crop about 1/5th from the right - to the most
 left point of a brownish box ro something in the background,
 or even slightly to the left of that point - most likely
 right around the beginning of the shoulder.

 I love my DFA-100.

 Cheers,

 Igor


 Sat Sep 5 18:08:20 CDT 2009
 Eckehard Wegner wrote:


 Picked up an eBayed DFA 100 today, new, 25% beneath lowest internet
 price, hopefully there won't be too much warranty registration
 trouble; it is left over stock from a reseller gone belly up. First
 impression: lens renders crisply and nicely, shaft AF is quite fast
 despite long travel, my K10D tends to hunt very little but always
 seems to run off in the wrong direction, slam into the limiter so
 noisily (I wonder how long the lens will withstand that) and then go
 back. The hood is great to protect the front element from curious baby
 fingers. Took some shots of our son Mattis Bendix and being the proud
 dad I am, I just knew I had to post a pic of him eventually, so I
 might as well now seeing I have such a sweet excuse to go brag about
 him. Same picasa link as last time:

 http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/sredir?uname=eckinatortarget=PHOTOid=5378115921443436098aid=5374043372372891137authkey=Gv1sRgCNqL6t_Yvcy8eQfeat=email

 Love the expression, wonder if I should crop or edit the background.
 Comments, criticism and suggestions always welcome.

 Cheers
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Re: OT TWM t-shirt

2009-09-05 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Haha! Brilliant find, Igor!
So which one of the reviewers are you?
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/6 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org:


 This is funny!

 The product:
 http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Three-Short-Sleeve/dp/B002HJ377A
 Read the reviews (and the comments after the first two reviews - once
 you click on read more):
 http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Three-Short-Sleeve/product-reviews/B002HJ377A/
 Also see first few images and their captions:
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B002HJ377A/


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PESO: Pentaxcon

2009-09-05 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
It doesn't always have to be Limiteds. Here's a photo taken earlier
this year with a 30-odd year old Pentacon 4/300 mm lens on my K10D. Yep,
that's Pentacon, not Pentax! Meyer Görlitz for those old enough to
remember. Commie stuff! Originally made for the Pentacon Six. Mounted on
the K0D with an adapter straight from P6 to PK. 

http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/09/pentaxcon.html

Built like the proverbial battleship and with a tripod collar that makes
everything more recent look like toys, the optical performance isn't to
be sniffed at either. The aperture has 23 blades! Bought on ebay for 67
euros, eight years ago.

The two lower images are crops from the full frame. You can click on
them to view them at 1:1 pixel scale. I've left the trace of CA in the
upper one just to show how little there is. 

Photo taken at the Arcelor steel mill in Dunkirk, France. K10D, Pentacon
4/300 mm, f11, 1/20 sec.

Enjoy.

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Pentax K20D and K200D now discontinued.

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, (I'm a bit behind on the 
list), but BH photo has it listed as discontinued.  Pentax's Japanese 
site has them in the discontinued list, though Pentax Imaging, (Pentax 
USA),  still shows then a current.


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Re: Climate camp

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Huh?  I expect that they make exceptions for the Queen.

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: Bob W
Subject: Climate camp





http://www.web-options.com/L1001029.jpg

It's quite interesting and seems to have the support of most of the 
locals,
who are mostly bourgeois liberals like me. The camp is right next to 
an army
barracks, where the police have set up a cherry-picker loaded with 
cameras

and videos overlooking the protesters. They are apparently photographing
everyone who visits, which is rather a waste of taxpayers' film if 
you ask

me.


It sounds a bit Orwellian to me. I suppose anyone who protests 
anything these days is a potential terrorist as far as your boffins 
are concerned.
Amazing that your government seems to have the right to photograph 
anyone and anything, but the owners of that government almost appear 
to not have the right to photograph anyone or anything.


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Re: PESO: More Lyndsaye

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

And very nice they are too.

William Robb wrote:

Something a little different from what I normally post.
Please note:
Contains boobies.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/lyndsaye/artlynds1.html

Techie stuff

K-7, ISO 100.
77mm lens at f/5.6
Lit by one beauty dish from camera left.
Monochromed in Photoshop.

Enjoy.

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Re: PESO: So, that's what it looks like...

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Perhaps you should raise her salary.

David J Brooks wrote:

Been quite a while for a cat photo.

Nice.

Lucy has started to curl up between the keyboard and speakers to watch
me type. She has yet to correct my spelling.

Dave

Dave

2009/8/30 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:
  

...when Nikodemus holds his siesta behind my laptop. Only visible
because I had not yet reconnected the computer after yesterday's trip to
Belgium. Usually, you'll just hear him snore.

Click on picture to enlarge.

http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/08/so-sieht-das-also-aus.html

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GESO Play

2009-09-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Probably not to everyone's taste, but I thought I'd give the technique a 
try.


http://www.caguila.com/caguila/play/index.html

Comments welcome, and if you don't like them, feel free to say so.
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Re: PESO Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100

2009-09-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Ecke:  Terrific expression!  White balance shows up a bit yellow on my 
monitor, but YMMV.  I'd crop a bit from the right to get rid of that thing 
on the right.  You have a beautiful son.  Cheers, Christine




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Subject: PESO  Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100



Picked up an eBayed DFA 100 today, new, 25% beneath lowest internet
price, hopefully there won't be too much warranty registration
trouble; it is left over stock from a reseller gone belly up. First
impression: lens renders crisply and nicely, shaft AF is quite fast
despite long travel, my K10D tends to hunt very little but always
seems to run off in the wrong direction, slam into the limiter so
noisily (I wonder how long the lens will withstand that) and then go
back. The hood is great to protect the front element from curious baby
fingers. Took some shots of our son Mattis Bendix and being the proud
dad I am, I just knew I had to post a pic of him eventually, so I
might as well now seeing I have such a sweet excuse to go brag about
him. Same picasa link as last time:

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/sredir?uname=eckinatortarget=PHOTOid=5378115921443436098aid=5374043372372891137authkey=Gv1sRgCNqL6t_Yvcy8eQfeat=email

Love the expression, wonder if I should crop or edit the background.
Comments, criticism and suggestions always welcome.

Cheers
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Re: PESO: Convex and Concave

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Thats a lovely photograph of mushrooms.

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We have had a very wet summer here.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9715953

Comments and criticisms welcome.

Dan Matyola

  


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Re: Pentaxcon

2009-09-05 Thread Christine Aguila

Nice one, Ralf.  Lens did a good job.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de

To: Pentax Mailingliste pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: PESO: Pentaxcon


It doesn't always have to be Limiteds. Here's a photo taken earlier
this year with a 30-odd year old Pentacon 4/300 mm lens on my K10D. Yep,
that's Pentacon, not Pentax! Meyer Görlitz for those old enough to
remember. Commie stuff! Originally made for the Pentacon Six. Mounted on
the K0D with an adapter straight from P6 to PK.

http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/09/pentaxcon.html

Built like the proverbial battleship and with a tripod collar that makes
everything more recent look like toys, the optical performance isn't to
be sniffed at either. The aperture has 23 blades! Bought on ebay for 67
euros, eight years ago.

The two lower images are crops from the full frame. You can click on
them to view them at 1:1 pixel scale. I've left the trace of CA in the
upper one just to show how little there is.

Photo taken at the Arcelor steel mill in Dunkirk, France. K10D, Pentacon
4/300 mm, f11, 1/20 sec.

Enjoy.

Ralf

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Re: Fred Called

2009-09-05 Thread Christine Aguila

Very funny, Igor--:-)  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: Fred Called




52 weeks of Christinemas :-)

Igor

Fri Sep 4 09:57:22 CDT 2009
Christine Aguila wrote:

Well, Christmas is only 4 months away. Treat yourself

I've used that one for the last 52 camera-related purchases, Dave.  It's
suffering from overuse!  ;-)


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Re: Snake oil, anyone?

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Adam Maas wrote:

2009/8/31 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:
  

http://www.oleg.bg.tf/

Ralf




Hmm,

The AF speedup is just making it fixed focus, the anti-dust just
rattles the sensor, the JPEG 'improvments' just lower the quality
setting.

Snake Oil is a pretty good description. Ironically he basically
describes the snake oil up front.
  
Lets call it like it is, he cripples your camera, tells you he's 
crippling your camera, and eh, and, and...


I'm sorry words basically fail me here.


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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread paul stenquist

I see Pentax in as many places as Olympus.
Paul
On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability.  I  
see a lot of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box  
stores.  However I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of those  
stores.  It's difficult to comparison sell Josephine Six-Pack, on a  
smaller lighter camera if you can't actually compare it to the  
competition.  People will buy what's available.  In other words,  
'Any idiot can buy a low end Canon/Nikon/Sony/Olympus DSLR, it takes  
a special kind of idiot to seek out Pentax.



Adam Maas wrote:

I'm unsure of 4/3rds viability long-term. I suspect strongly that the
lower-end 4/3rds DSLR's will be killed off by Micro4/3rds and the
higher-end line will be on life support and exist mostly to fill in
the gaps for Micro-4/3rds users.  4/3rds simply hasn't been able to
capitalize on the promise of smaller lenses and cameras. As a
practical matter Pentax simply dominates the small DSLR segment,
offering a true compact system in the K-m/DA Limiteds, a compact
high-performance system with the K-7 and DA Limiteds where Olympus
actually has some of the larger available crop-format DSLR's (the  
E-3,

E-30 and E-520 are all among the largest entries in their respective
segments, the E-450 and E620 are only the smallest when considered
without a mounted lens, the K-m/DA40 package is smaller than either  
of
the compact E-series bodies paired with the 25 pancake, their  
smallest

configuration)

I think that Micro4/3rds has a strong future ahead of it as it's
getting the chance to build serious market share before there's any
real competition in its segment.

-Adam

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Desjardins, Stevedesjard...@wlu.edu 
 wrote:


I admit I'm more amenable to the APS-C forever, unless it is  
beaten out by 4/3.  The point is that even though MF and LF  
existed, the smaller 35 mm dominated because the IQ was good  
enough.  I think that's where APS-C or 4/3 is now.  Of course,  
good enough doesn't make sense to many on this list because  
there is an intrinsic selection for folks with higher photographic  
standards.  OTOH, I think that non-slr cameras like the EP-1 and  
the G1 are about to start eating up some of the enthusiast  
market.  If anything kills the APS-C DSLR it will be these.



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Re: Interesting K7 review

2009-09-05 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 06:57:50PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
 
 The irony there being the one thing MS gets consistently right is
 Office, particularly Excel.

Oh, they get a lot more than Office right.

Visual Studio is hands down the best interactive development environment
out there, and has been for the last decade or longer.  The rest of the
world still hasn't caught up with the functionality of the debugger I was
using on Apollo workstations almost twenty years ago.

Not that I'm a fan of Microsoft's business practices (although nowadays
Apple is at least as bad, if not worse).  But I respect the quality of
their development tools, even if I use very little other than the basic
compilers (and the Standard Template Library);  MFC, for example, is an 
ugly attempt to force everybody into the Microsoft view of the world.
Borland's OWL was a much cleaner abstraction, but look where that went.


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Re: K-7 file size?

2009-09-05 Thread paul stenquist
My K7 PEFs have been averaging about 13 megabytes. I haven't shot any  
DNG with this camera.

Paul
On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:



What is the typical file size of an image produced by k7 (or a typical
range)?  I am interested in PEF and in DNG formats.

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: K-7 file size?

2009-09-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Igor Roshchin

Subject: K-7 file size?




What is the typical file size of an image produced by k7 (or a typical
range)?  I am interested in PEF and in DNG formats.



DNGs are anywhere from 10-20mb, depending on the complexity of the image. 
They seem to average around 15mb for me.
I don't know about PEFs, I've only shot a couple and I nuked them after they 
had served their purpose.


William Robb 



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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: P. J. Alling

Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000


Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps is 
a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work for 
/Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine would be supplying 
a 1D something or other. It looks more like Canon has repealed the laws of 
economics...


One thing I noticed right away when I switched over to the K-7 was how fast 
the mirror returns. The unheralded advantage of a fast frame rate is a fast 
viewfinder.


William Robb 



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Re: GESO Play

2009-09-05 Thread paul stenquist

Some interesting shots here. I especially like the first two.
Paul
On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Probably not to everyone's taste, but I thought I'd give the  
technique a try.


http://www.caguila.com/caguila/play/index.html

Comments welcome, and if you don't like them, feel free to say so.
Cheers, Christine


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K-7 file size?

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

Thank you, P.J., Bill and Paul!

Igor

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Re: Fred Called

2009-09-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

Paraphrasing an old joke:
What is the difference between a tire and 52 camera-related purchases?
The former is Good Year, and the latter is a Very Good Year!
:-)

Igor


 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Igor Roshchin 

 52 weeks of Christinemas :-)

 Igor

 Fri Sep 4 09:57:22 CDT 2009
 Christine Aguila wrote:

 Well, Christmas is only 4 months away. Treat yourself

 I've used that one for the last 52 camera-related purchases, Dave.  It's 
 suffering from overuse!  ;-)


 Cheers, Christine



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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000


Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 
8fps is a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless 
you work for /Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine 
would be supplying a 1D something or other. It looks more like Canon 
has repealed the laws of economics...


One thing I noticed right away when I switched over to the K-7 was how 
fast the mirror returns. The unheralded advantage of a fast frame rate 
is a fast viewfinder.


William Robb

I think I can stipulate to that.  However the K-7 ~5 fps is probably not 
in reality a lot slower than the Canon 7D in single shot mode.  (Yes I 
know, I could be wrong, I haven't actual held either camera, but I'm 
betting the difference in frame rate has as much to do with buss speed 
as anything).  To get that you pay a whopping $500.00 premium over the 
K-7. There are a lot of other features the 7D offers but most are not of 
interest to me as a still photographer.  If I want to shoot video, I 
think I'll get a dedicated video camera, and since I've seen the output 
as a videographer, I think I'll hire a camera operator too.



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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
IIRC it's pretty much the same lens as the M 40mm f2.8 optically, so it 
will cover the format.  The M 40mm was not known for it's edge 
sharpness, at least not wide open.  Still I remember some people testing 
the DA on film and not hating it.


Desjardins, Steve wrote:

I'm trying to remember.  Will the DA 40 work for FF (without significant 
problems)?

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:05 PM
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Interesting and varied opinions (thanks guys!) although nobody brought
up the issue that bothers me most.

I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME, like Mark said, out of
necessity. When this happens (not *if*), what will they do with APS-C?
They cannot give up on it given how much they've invested in DA
lenses, so they will most likely keep an APS-C line up, but how
advanced will these cameras be? I don't think Pentax has the resources
to keep a parallel line of APS-C and FF cameras, so they will probably
introduce only one FF model, which should be their
flagship...relegating APS-C cameras to the entry-level ranks.

What happens then to those of use that like APS-C? I want a K-7 for
its small size (which is an advantage of APS-C not exploited in the
flagship cameras since the *ist D) and other advanced features. I also
happen to like the FoV offered by classic focal length zooms on APS-C
sensors (the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 is my main lens), and I also like
small primes. Once Pentax make FF their top-of-the line camera, will
they also release a more compact APS-C equivalent? I doubt it. This
means that if I want to upgrade my camera in 2-3 years time, my only
options will be a fully-featured FF model, or a lower-spec'd APS-C.

I fear the K-7 (or its slightly upgraded successor) will be the last
of the great (small bodied) APS-C cameras in the Pentax line-up. And
even if Pentax manage to squeeze a 35mm sensor into a K-7 body, I'm
still left searching for a 40-115mm f/2.8 zoom lens as compact as my
Tammy to serve as my workhorse. I know nobody will ever build one,
least of all Pentax.

Interesting times lie ahead, Gentlemen.

Cheers,


 --M.



  



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Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-09-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Supposed to be released in 2010.  However Pentax already has a 
Flagship.  The 645D will be their Professional offering.


Bob Sullivan wrote:

For your zoom, try the old A35-105 f3.5.
For a FF camera, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pentax skip to
a 645 format sensor as the flagship.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Interesting and varied opinions (thanks guys!) although nobody brought
up the issue that bothers me most.

I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME, like Mark said, out of
necessity. When this happens (not *if*), what will they do with APS-C?
They cannot give up on it given how much they've invested in DA
lenses, so they will most likely keep an APS-C line up, but how
advanced will these cameras be? I don't think Pentax has the resources
to keep a parallel line of APS-C and FF cameras, so they will probably
introduce only one FF model, which should be their
flagship...relegating APS-C cameras to the entry-level ranks.

What happens then to those of use that like APS-C? I want a K-7 for
its small size (which is an advantage of APS-C not exploited in the
flagship cameras since the *ist D) and other advanced features. I also
happen to like the FoV offered by classic focal length zooms on APS-C
sensors (the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 is my main lens), and I also like
small primes. Once Pentax make FF their top-of-the line camera, will
they also release a more compact APS-C equivalent? I doubt it. This
means that if I want to upgrade my camera in 2-3 years time, my only
options will be a fully-featured FF model, or a lower-spec'd APS-C.

I fear the K-7 (or its slightly upgraded successor) will be the last
of the great (small bodied) APS-C cameras in the Pentax line-up. And
even if Pentax manage to squeeze a 35mm sensor into a K-7 body, I'm
still left searching for a 40-115mm f/2.8 zoom lens as compact as my
Tammy to serve as my workhorse. I know nobody will ever build one,
least of all Pentax.

Interesting times lie ahead, Gentlemen.

Cheers,


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Re: PESO--Making Tracks

2009-09-05 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Marnie.  Actually, I did have some control:  On my way to work, the 
tracks were in the early-morning sun (that's when I took this pic); in the 
evening they were in shade (and I took several others).

I guess I was just feeling contrasty when I chose this one.

Cheers,

Rick

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 Work has been very demanding, and  I'm way behind on
 the list (again).
 
 Our transit agency in Philadelphia is  preparing to
 replace some of the 
 trolley (tram) tracks in our  neighborhood.  I
 took this on my way home earlier 
 this week, where the new  rail is being  stored.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9736300size=lg
 
 (K10D,  FA 50/1.7)
 
 Rick
 
 =
 Nice one, Rick. Kinda wish there  was no shadow but
 realize you had no 
 control over that. :-)
 
 Marnie aka  Doe 
 



  

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Re: PESO Enablement: Mattis Bendix and the DFA 100

2009-09-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ecke,
Lovely and a beautiful child.
I would consider a square crop, removing the right side.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Eckehard Wegnereckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Picked up an eBayed DFA 100 today, new, 25% beneath lowest internet
 price, hopefully there won't be too much warranty registration
 trouble; it is left over stock from a reseller gone belly up. First
 impression: lens renders crisply and nicely, shaft AF is quite fast
 despite long travel, my K10D tends to hunt very little but always
 seems to run off in the wrong direction, slam into the limiter so
 noisily (I wonder how long the lens will withstand that) and then go
 back. The hood is great to protect the front element from curious baby
 fingers. Took some shots of our son Mattis Bendix and being the proud
 dad I am, I just knew I had to post a pic of him eventually, so I
 might as well now seeing I have such a sweet excuse to go brag about
 him. Same picasa link as last time:

 http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/sredir?uname=eckinatortarget=PHOTOid=5378115921443436098aid=5374043372372891137authkey=Gv1sRgCNqL6t_Yvcy8eQfeat=email

 Love the expression, wonder if I should crop or edit the background.
 Comments, criticism and suggestions always welcome.

 Cheers
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