RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Peter Loveday
> 
> I have an L-308s, I hadn't actually seen that they had new "digital"
> versions out.
> 
> As far as I can see, it's more or less just the added ability to
> calibrate that's different?  

There are some video / cine-related things as well.

> I don't get the impression it meters any
> differently to suit "digital" at all, more that you can calibrate it to
> match your (presumably incorrect ISO rated) digital sensor?
> 

Seems to be. The L-758 on the other hand has a much more complicated way of
calibrating but can adjust the indicated exposure automatically to make best
use of the dynamic range of the camera's sensor in the given conditions. 

It's very, very expensive though and not as convenient to carry around as
the L-308 (which is why I bought the L-308).

> I've never really had any problems using mine with my DSLRs, so I'm not
> really that convinced I need to upgrade.
> 

I'm coming to the same conclusion.

B


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RE: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> 
> I haven't heard one union say anything of the sort. Right now they're
> just trying to avoid losing their hard-fought gains made over the
> years.
> 
[...]
> 
> As these attacks against wage earners continue, we hear of CEOs of
> government corporations making seven-figure salaries. We hear of huge
> waste and corruption within some departments and government
> corporations that goes unchecked for years. Yet when it's  "belt
> tightening time" it's always labour they go after.
> 
[...]

Over here our Eton-educated Prime Minister and his Bullingdon Club chums in the 
cabinet tell us "We're all in it together", while the people who had nothing to 
do with the financial collapse lose their jobs and subsidise Dave's other chums 
in the banks and boardrooms who do nothing but sit back and lick cream and 
champagne off their own balls all day long.

B


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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Peter Loveday]

I have an L-308s, I hadn't actually seen that they had new "digital" 
versions out.


As far as I can see, it's more or less just the added ability to calibrate 
that's different?  I don't get the impression it meters any differently to 
suit "digital" at all, more that you can calibrate it to match your 
(presumably incorrect ISO rated) digital sensor?


I've never really had any problems using mine with my DSLRs, so I'm not 
really that convinced I need to upgrade.


- Peter


-Original Message- 
From: Bob W

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Larry Colen

[...]


People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood
or something.  I seriously don't see what  light meter will get you
that a little creative work with the camera and histogram won't.



Meanwhile, nobody's answering my actual question.

Bienvenue a l'internet.

B


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RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
[...]
> 
> People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood
> or something.  I seriously don't see what  light meter will get you
> that a little creative work with the camera and histogram won't.
> 

Meanwhile, nobody's answering my actual question. 

Bienvenue a l'internet.

B


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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Larry Colen]

I was asking a serious question here.  I grew up using the meter in my camera, 
or occasionally the luna pro, or some other meter.  Once I learned about the 
histogram I was blown away by how much more information it gave me.  It's the 
difference between a scalar and a vector, the light meter just gives you a 
single number, but the histogram gives you a lot more information across the 
whole range, and in each color channel.  Not only that, you don't have to worry 
about reciprocity, not being able to see the meter in the low light, you get 
pretty much exactly what the sensor is seeing (modulo jpeg processing, a huge 
gripe of mine).

People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood or 
something.  I seriously don't see what  light meter will get you that a little 
creative work with the camera and histogram won't. 

On May 14, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bruce Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense
>>> of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ...
>>> 
>>> You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out
>>> of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an hour.
>>> So does the model. The lights are setup: a couple on the background to
>>> blow it to white, two on the model.
>>> 
>>> Larry: I'l take a test shot.
>>> Model: okay.
>>> L: POP
>>> L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram.
>>> L: ...
>>> L: hmmm. I think that's underexposed. Let me fix that.
>>> L: POP
>>> L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram again.
>>> L: Um. That might be overexposed. Shit, there's a huge spike at the
>>> right. WTF?
>>> M: I think my lipstick is smeared. 

You are also assuming that when setting up the lights, you don't have anybody 
to stand in place for a couple of minutes while you adjust the lights, and take 
a few test shots to check the exposure.

Which is right up there with doing the whole expensive shoot, and afterwards 
finding that every shot of the white dress is blown out because you never 
checked the histograms or blinkies.

Or, taking photos of flowers and finding that the blue channel, or the red, is 
completely blown out, because the meter averages all of the colors together. 


>>> 
>>> Versus:
>>> 
>>> Bruce: I'm going to meter the light.
>>> Model: okay.
>>> B: POP
>>> B: f/8
>>> B: okay, Shel, I want you to pout. Great! Now smile. Super! ...

My experience has more often been along the lines of..  The big light is 6 feet 
away, I'm shooting through an umbrella, ISO 80, let's try f/16.
POP
hmm, looks like I'm have a stop under.

I've actually been boggled by the number of times that I'll do a SCWAG on the 
exposure, and nail it dead on.

>> 
>> Of course, Bruce, in a studio situation, that only applies to the very
>> first shot. After that you've got the exposure nailed and you just go
>> on. I think Bill's example of using the meter to get lighting ratios
>> is the real advantage of an incident meter here.

Serious question:  Rather than spending $BIGNUM on a light meter, why not get 
an ExpoDisc, or the equivalent, and use the the camera?

> 
> Definitely, that's one of the big advantages. But there's more.
> 
> The histogram is fooled entirely by the scene as it's showing you
> what's reflecting from it. If the scene is a white dress against a
> white backdrop, or a largely black business suit against a black
> backdrop, I wish you good luck histogramming that.

I dunno about you, but my K-5 isn't glued to the tripod that's nailed to the 
floor.  If I've got a tricky situation I have to histogram, I'll just carry the 
camera over close enough that it pretty much fills the screen, take a photo and 
look at the histogram.
> 
> The meter OTOH tells you the correct exposure for the light actually
> hitting the scene. Put your meter under the model's chin, pop your
> lights, read off the exposure, set it and you are done. It doesn't
> matter the clothing or skin colour, the textures, the backdrop,
> nothin'. You may have issues with hotspots in the scene or areas that
> are too dark, but that's lighting design. You need to add reflectors
> to get fill into too dark areas or add gobos to solve hotspots, but
> that doesn't alter the basic exposure.

I'm confused here.  Because if I set up the lights, and I have two scenes. One 
of which has a black backdrop, perhaps cut velvet so there is subtle details in 
the dark, and a model wearing dark clothes, and a hat, with their face in the 
shadow. The other has white cut velvet, and a blond, fair skinned model, 
wearing a white satin dress with white lace and embroidery, I'm going to need 
to expose the scene completely differently, even if the incident meter says the 
same thing with the same lights.  I'll want to adjust the exposure to get as 
much detail, and as little noise, on the sensor/in the raw file, and then I'll 
process the the final imag

RE: PESO: Red

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Love it!

Cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Tim Bray 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: Red

I mean *really* red:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/05/13/-big/RUNE5040.jpg.html

Some interesting discussion about metering techniques broke out over
on G+: https://plus.google.com/107606703558161507946/posts/iHyyKB4wscK

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Re: PESO Bluebird

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Cool! 

cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO Bluebird

Apparently you're supposed to get one of these good-luck birds
tattooed on after 10,000 nautical miles at sea and another after the
next 10,000 miles. Julia has two of these birds, one on each thigh,
but I didn't ask her where she'd sailed. :-)

BTW, she plays jazz flute. I'll try to get her to come down to the
jazz jam at the Gallery Studio Cafe one Tuesday evening. I'll let you
know if she's expected.

Thanks for looking, Frank!


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
>
> Ah yes, that must be the "Bluebird of Happiness" that I've heard so much
> about:
>
> Looked at her and instantly felt happy!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
> To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
> Subject: PESO Bluebird
>
> [A resend: accidentally sent as rich text 1st time.]
>
> http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7184861788/lightbox/
>
> Safe for work IMHO, but keep another window open nearby just in case. :)
>
> K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 50mm/f:9.0, 1/125 sec, 100 ISO
> Elinchrom monolight/softbox left, floor-to-ceiling 4-ft wide white card
> right.
>
> Comments cheerfully welcomed!
>
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RE: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

To me those banners are the weak point of this photo. These guys are obviously 
labourers (electrical workers IIRC) but the only signs to be seen are for 
teachers. Looks confusing and somewhat non-sensical.

If those placards behind them would have been for one of the labourers' unions 
the photo would have been much stronger IMHO.

Thanks to all who commented and looked.

Cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Bob W 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

I dunno. According to the banners they're teachers, so if they get mad at
you they just make you go and see the headmaster.

B

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Jack Davis
> 
> I see what you mean, Frank. I think the vertically challenged guy in
> the middle of the front row is probably always mad about being short.
> 
> Jack
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: frank theriault 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:54 AM
> Subject: PESO - Solidarity, Brother
> 
> The weekend before May Day unionized government workers from around the
> province rallied here in Toronto at Queen's Park (the legislature
> buildings) against proposed government cutbacks.  Got loads of photos,
> but this was the best of them:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/05/solidarity-brother.html
> 
> Wouldn't want to argue with these fellows about austerity measures...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

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I haven't heard one union say anything of the sort. Right now they're just 
trying to avoid losing their hard-fought gains made over the years. 

In most cases governments aren't actually rolling back wages, they're being 
sneaky about it: Hiring part time workers (to which the collective agreements 
don't apply) so they don't have to give benefits or job security. Contracting 
out services to non-union companies. "Laying off" union employees then hiring 
them back as contract workers (again no benefits or job security). More and 
more government services are being declared "essential services" thus losing 
their right to strike. 

As these attacks against wage earners continue, we hear of CEOs of government 
corporations making seven-figure salaries. We hear of huge waste and corruption 
within some departments and government corporations that goes unchecked for 
years. Yet when it's  "belt tightening time" it's always labour they go after.

That, I think, is what these unions are protesting. I'm sure they don't want an 
increase in government spending any more than anyone else.

Cheers,
frank


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--- Original Message ---

From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

Yes indeed, endless and limitless government  spending is the solution
to everything!
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> The weekend before May Day unionized government workers from around
> the province rallied here in Toronto at Queen's Park (the legislature
> buildings) against proposed government cutbacks.  Got loads of photos,
> but this was the best of them:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/05/solidarity-brother.html
>
> Wouldn't want to argue with these fellows about austerity measures...
>
> ;-)
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: PESO - Motorcycle Mama's Day

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Thanks, Steve. And thanks to everyone else who commented. Glad you all enjoyed 
it.

Cheers,
frank 

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--- Original Message ---

From: Steven Desjardins 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Motorcycle Mama's Day

That's a great shot.  Bikers love their moms almost as much as chrome.

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> Sweat, and a nice catch.
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:36 PM, frank theriault 
> wrote:
>>
>> Spotted this outside a local bar earlier today.  Apparently (s)he
>> needed a beer or two before seeing Mom:
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/motorcycle-mamas-day.html
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Doug Franklin]

On 2012-05-14 22:44, Bruce Walker wrote:


Anyways, this is one of those "you get it or you don't" issues, and


Well, it's partly that, and it's partly a "what you shoot" issue.  When 
you're shooting action, especially outdoors, you're going to take one in 
the forehead every so often, no matter what your technique.


And some subjects present reflectivity problems that an incident meter 
can't do much to help with, especially in an action situation.  Shot a 
race a year or two ago where most of the cars were normal racecar 
livery, but one was silver metallic (think mirror) and one was gold 
metallic (think Crown Jewels polish).  They presented some difficulties.


But I'll surely agree that an incident reading is a good place to start 
in most any photographic situation, assuming you're not doing "art for 
art's sake" sorts of stuff. :)


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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Doug Franklin]

On 2012-05-14 17:43, Bob W wrote:


You can't bracket a once-in-a-lifetime shot. If your subject is moving and
your timing is critical bracketing is not a viable option.


I don't remember Larry invoking bracketing as a solution, I'm just using 
this quotation as an entree' to reply. :-)


When shooting the races, even with all of the automation the camera 
system can provide, I find I get the best results when I preset as much 
as possible and leave as little as possible to the discretion of the 
automation.  Typically, I'll take some spot and average readings with 
the camera to get a feel for where things are right now when I get to a 
new position, or something big changes lighting-wise.  Then I'll set the 
camera in M mode.  And then I'll periodically get hosed when some car 
produces a big reflection of the sun, pointed right at me.


Sometimes I use AF, and sometimes I don't.  It's often a burden or a 
whole-hog disadvantage to use it, mostly due to "lock time" problems. 
Everything you ask the camera to do for you requires time.  Sometimes, 
that's too much time, even it's it's under a second.  For example, in 
many situations, the AF is way behind because of all the cogitating it 
does when I trip the shutter.  So much, that, if I don't compensate, on 
a scene with two fast cars thirty feet apart, if I'd trip the shutter 
when the AF confirms the first car in focus, the shot would actually 
have the second car in focus.  We're talking a few dozen milliseconds, 
or less, here biasing the shot.


It was a big enough PITA with fully manual cameras, and it's worse with 
automated ones, even in "M" mode.  At least with the manual cameras I 
could predict the lock time, because it was always the same.  The more 
modern, more automated cameras seem to do more navel gazing before 
allowing the shutter to actually "fall".  I can only speak to Pentax 
cameras, since I haven't used the competition.


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Re: PESO: Red

[Bruce Walker]

That's nicely done, Tim. That's a look I know and love, having one in
my backyard.

They make lovely backdrops for doing portraits too.


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> I mean *really* red:
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/05/13/-big/RUNE5040.jpg.html
>
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>
> >Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense
> >of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ...
> >
> >You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out
> >of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an hour.
> >So does the model. The lights are setup: a couple on the background to
> >blow it to white, two on the model.
> >
> >Larry: I'l take a test shot.
> >Model: okay.
> >L: POP
> >L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram.
> >L: ...
> >L: hmmm. I think that's underexposed. Let me fix that.
> >L: POP
> >L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram again.
> >L: Um. That might be overexposed. Shit, there's a huge spike at the
> > right. WTF?
> >M: I think my lipstick is smeared. 
> >
> >Versus:
> >
> >Bruce: I'm going to meter the light.
> >Model: okay.
> >B: POP
> >B: f/8
> >B: okay, Shel, I want you to pout. Great! Now smile. Super! ...
>
> Of course, Bruce, in a studio situation, that only applies to the very
> first shot. After that you've got the exposure nailed and you just go
> on. I think Bill's example of using the meter to get lighting ratios
> is the real advantage of an incident meter here.

Definitely, that's one of the big advantages. But there's more.

The histogram is fooled entirely by the scene as it's showing you
what's reflecting from it. If the scene is a white dress against a
white backdrop, or a largely black business suit against a black
backdrop, I wish you good luck histogramming that.

The meter OTOH tells you the correct exposure for the light actually
hitting the scene. Put your meter under the model's chin, pop your
lights, read off the exposure, set it and you are done. It doesn't
matter the clothing or skin colour, the textures, the backdrop,
nothin'. You may have issues with hotspots in the scene or areas that
are too dark, but that's lighting design. You need to add reflectors
to get fill into too dark areas or add gobos to solve hotspots, but
that doesn't alter the basic exposure.

Anyways, this is one of those "you get it or you don't" issues, and
can't be resolved to everyone's satisfaction here. I bought a digital
flash meter and use it regularly after completely fscking up too many
frames to count. I'm a happy camper now because when I work, I design
my lighting and I carefully measure to get the results I want.

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Re: Buying LX

[Dmitry Gromov]

Hi!

>
> Ok, thanks for the reminder about pentaxs.com - I remember this place
> was mentioned on the list before, should have searched better :)
> Going to ask Eric about current prices...
>


So, if anyone else cares (or interested) - I emailed Eric and got a reply.
LX CLA now costs $160, shipping is extra - so total will be about $200
including USPS flat rate box both ways...

Dmitry

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Re: Buying LX

[Dmitry Gromov]

Hi!

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 8:07 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I know about early and late models and the differences, wanted to
>> get newer one, hope it more common, but there is no way to know it from
>> KEH's description :( Thanks! Dmitry
>
>
> You might want to email KEH and ask about the sensitivity range. My LX is a
> leter model, but I had it modified so that the meter activated when the
> button that releases the ISO dial is pressed. I might be wrong but I think
> that might have been a feature of the latest LX's - not sure of that at all
> though. Someone else here might know. But that might be something else to
> check into.
>

Well, I already emailed them recently, inquiring about one of the
LXes... Took almost a week and couple repeat emails for sales to
respond and was told that they are in one place and warehouse is in
different place and no more details about camera is available.
I find it really strange... It looked like they were not really
interested in sale :(

As for differences in LX models - Bojidar Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount
Page have some info here:
   LX (late version)
   http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_LX/LX_new.html
But he does not mention ISO (however difference is seen in the spec tables).
There are other places on the net, which outline those differences -
much easier to find now-days than 10 years ago :) (I've been
subscribed to original PDML still hosted by Pentax, so I remember).

> An LX in good working condition will have fabulous low light performance.
> Open the shutter in a darkened room, leave, and it will expose the film for
> many minutes or even hours and then shut down when the correct exposure is
> achieved. Really cool, hard on batteries. That is the feature that keeps
> failing on my LX.Right now,  I might get good one or two minute exposures,
> but when it gets long the camera just leaves the shutter open forever. I've
> had that fixed 3 times, it works for a while but  it just doesn't stick. So
> if you get an LX with a return policy, test to be sure it does longer
> exposures - at least 15 minutes. The real time metering on mine still works
> - turn on the room lights and the shutter closes - it just does not work in
> fairly dim situations for really long exposures.
>

Ok, great thanks for the tip, will definitely check it out!

Dmitry

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PESO: Red

[Tim Bray]

I mean *really* red:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/05/13/-big/RUNE5040.jpg.html

Some interesting discussion about metering techniques broke out over
on G+: https://plus.google.com/107606703558161507946/posts/iHyyKB4wscK

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Re: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

[Jeffery Smith]

I guess it was the fact that Vista even made it out of beta that sickened me. 
If they had rebadged Windows XT as Windows Vista, it would have won PC 
Magazine's OS of the year. I had 4 gb of memory, more than all of my previous 
computers combined. And "resize to 600 pixels wide" locked it up long enough 
for me to make coffee.

Sent from my iPad

On May 14, 2012, at 21:10, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> Jeffery Smith wrote:
> 
>> At the risk of sounding elitist, Windows Vista was the straw that broke it 
>> for me and sent me to Mac. I know that Mac has the reputation of being the 
>> computer for people who are too stupid to use Windows, but I've been using 
>> computers since 1969. Windows 2000 was the last stable version of Windows I 
>> used, and it is still the default OS at our college because Windows has 
>> gotten worse ever since. 
>> 
>> I have a Dell sitting, unused, in my home office. I tried using it for about 
>> a month, and got long delays with "Program Not Responding" to the point of 
>> driving me to drink. It was a top end Dell several years ago, and couldn't 
>> get out of its own way under Windows Vista. I'll never touch Windows again. 
> 
> Good lord, you used Vista? You poor bastard.
> I used XP for almost 10 trouble-free years and went to WIndows 7. No
> complaints at all.
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

[Mark Roberts]

Jeffery Smith wrote:

>At the risk of sounding elitist, Windows Vista was the straw that broke it for 
>me and sent me to Mac. I know that Mac has the reputation of being the 
>computer for people who are too stupid to use Windows, but I've been using 
>computers since 1969. Windows 2000 was the last stable version of Windows I 
>used, and it is still the default OS at our college because Windows has gotten 
>worse ever since. 
>
>I have a Dell sitting, unused, in my home office. I tried using it for about a 
>month, and got long delays with "Program Not Responding" to the point of 
>driving me to drink. It was a top end Dell several years ago, and couldn't get 
>out of its own way under Windows Vista. I'll never touch Windows again. 

Good lord, you used Vista? You poor bastard.
I used XP for almost 10 trouble-free years and went to WIndows 7. No
complaints at all.

 
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Mark Roberts]

Bruce Walker wrote:

>Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense
>of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ...
>
>You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out
>of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an hour.
>So does the model. The lights are setup: a couple on the background to
>blow it to white, two on the model.
>
>Larry: I'l take a test shot.
>Model: okay.
>L: POP
>L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram.
>L: ...
>L: hmmm. I think that's underexposed. Let me fix that.
>L: POP
>L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram again.
>L: Um. That might be overexposed. Shit, there's a huge spike at the right. WTF?
>M: I think my lipstick is smeared. 
>
>Versus:
>
>Bruce: I'm going to meter the light.
>Model: okay.
>B: POP
>B: f/8
>B: okay, Shel, I want you to pout. Great! Now smile. Super! ...

Of course, Bruce, in a studio situation, that only applies to the very
first shot. After that you've got the exposure nailed and you just go
on. I think Bill's example of using the meter to get lighting ratios
is the real advantage of an incident meter here.
 
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Re: Buying LX

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 8:07 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote:
Yeah, I know about early and late models and the differences, wanted 
to get newer one, hope it more common, but there is no way to know it 
from KEH's description :( Thanks! Dmitry 


You might want to email KEH and ask about the sensitivity range. My LX 
is a leter model, but I had it modified so that the meter activated when 
the button that releases the ISO dial is pressed. I might be wrong but I 
think that might have been a feature of the latest LX's - not sure of 
that at all though. Someone else here might know. But that might be 
something else to check into.


An LX in good working condition will have fabulous low light 
performance. Open the shutter in a darkened room, leave, and it will 
expose the film for many minutes or even hours and then shut down when 
the correct exposure is achieved. Really cool, hard on batteries. That 
is the feature that keeps failing on my LX.Right now,  I might get good 
one or two minute exposures, but when it gets long the camera just 
leaves the shutter open forever. I've had that fixed 3 times, it works 
for a while but  it just doesn't stick. So if you get an LX with a 
return policy, test to be sure it does longer exposures - at least 15 
minutes. The real time metering on mine still works - turn on the room 
lights and the shutter closes - it just does not work in fairly dim 
situations for really long exposures.


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Re: Processing overexposure on film

[William Robb]

On 14/05/2012 7:07 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:

I'm just getting started with film. One of the things I've read is,
unlike digital, it's better to expose for shadow detail. I've read
that a lot of detail can be pulled back from the overexposed areas on
film.

My question is, can that detail be pulled back from a digital scan of
a negative, or can that only be done via wet print process in a
darkroom?  Another way to state this, should film be exposed in
different ways depending on how it will be post processed, digitally
or analog?

Thanks,


I've had good success doing 2 passes and combining them as an HDR of sorts.

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RE: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

[J.C. O'Connell]

My six year old pc motherboard died and I had to upgrade from xp to win7.
Ive been using win7 for about 4 months and only had a few programs hang up
and nothing than
couldnt be corrected with the windows task manager. Its not that bad,
certainly better than XP or win98 or win95 which I used much earlier. I
hated having to learn new win7 interface which changed from xp for no good
reason though. Win8 due soon and supposedly another big gui change. It never
ends with MS.

-
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hifis...@gate.net
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Jeffery Smith
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:01 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

At the risk of sounding elitist, Windows Vista was the straw that broke it
for me and sent me to Mac. I know that Mac has the reputation of being the
computer for people who are too stupid to use Windows, but I've been using
computers since 1969. Windows 2000 was the last stable version of Windows I
used, and it is still the default OS at our college because Windows has
gotten worse ever since. 

I have a Dell sitting, unused, in my home office. I tried using it for about
a month, and got long delays with "Program Not Responding" to the point of
driving me to drink. It was a top end Dell several years ago, and couldn't
get out of its own way under Windows Vista. I'll never touch Windows again. 


On May 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

>> This computer I use for email & goofing off on the web is stuck in the
>> Microsoft Update KB2686509 trap. Not really a big problem, more of a
>> stupid annoyance.
> 
> In case anyone actually gives a shit, I finally managed to fix it.
> 
> It was a problem with a bunch of invalid registry entries for keyboard
mappings left over from when I upgraded to XP from Windoze98. I had to go in
and do a manual regedit to get rid of the invalid keys.
> 
> This system has been through 3 motherboards, two hard-drives and at least
a half dozen CD/DVD drives since I originally built it as a Windoze95 system
back in 1997. Sort of the computer equivalent of repairing a car by
repeatedly jacking up the radio antenna & running a new body up under it.
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Re: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

[Jeffery Smith]

At the risk of sounding elitist, Windows Vista was the straw that broke it for 
me and sent me to Mac. I know that Mac has the reputation of being the computer 
for people who are too stupid to use Windows, but I've been using computers 
since 1969. Windows 2000 was the last stable version of Windows I used, and it 
is still the default OS at our college because Windows has gotten worse ever 
since. 

I have a Dell sitting, unused, in my home office. I tried using it for about a 
month, and got long delays with "Program Not Responding" to the point of 
driving me to drink. It was a top end Dell several years ago, and couldn't get 
out of its own way under Windows Vista. I'll never touch Windows again. 


On May 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

>> This computer I use for email & goofing off on the web is stuck in the
>> Microsoft Update KB2686509 trap. Not really a big problem, more of a
>> stupid annoyance.
> 
> In case anyone actually gives a shit, I finally managed to fix it.
> 
> It was a problem with a bunch of invalid registry entries for keyboard 
> mappings left over from when I upgraded to XP from Windoze98. I had to go in 
> and do a manual regedit to get rid of the invalid keys.
> 
> This system has been through 3 motherboards, two hard-drives and at least a 
> half dozen CD/DVD drives since I originally built it as a Windoze95 system 
> back in 1997. Sort of the computer equivalent of repairing a car by 
> repeatedly jacking up the radio antenna & running a new body up under it.
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Re: Pentax Repair East Coast US

[Rick Womer]

I suspect they'll pronounce it dead, but good luck.

Rick

 
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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Repair East Coast US

Thanks.  I'll be sending it to Chandler, Arizona, which is where the
PENTAX Service Department apparently is these days.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Precision Camera Repair of Chicopee MA used to be an authorized Pentax
> repair service.  I don't even know if they are still in operation.  I never
> liked them.  You'd be better off sending it to Colorado IMNSHO.
>
>
> On 5/14/2012 10:47 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> I have a K-r that got wet, and needs some serious work, if it is
>> repairable at all.  Any recommendations in the US, preferably in or
>> near the NYC area?
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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RE: OT: Stupid Microsoft!

[John Sessoms]

This computer I use for email & goofing off on the web is stuck in the
Microsoft Update KB2686509 trap. Not really a big problem, more of a
stupid annoyance.


In case anyone actually gives a shit, I finally managed to fix it.

It was a problem with a bunch of invalid registry entries for keyboard 
mappings left over from when I upgraded to XP from Windoze98. I had to 
go in and do a manual regedit to get rid of the invalid keys.


This system has been through 3 motherboards, two hard-drives and at 
least a half dozen CD/DVD drives since I originally built it as a 
Windoze95 system back in 1997. Sort of the computer equivalent of 
repairing a car by repeatedly jacking up the radio antenna & running a 
new body up under it.


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RE: PESO - Motorcycle Mama's Day

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"

Or just living the greatest country & western song ever written.


Which is . . .???


"Since they took my momma off to prison
Things down on the farm ain't been the same
Yesterday she broke out of the jailhouse
An' drove the goddam truck into a train"

or something like that by Jasper Carrott


"You Don't Have To Call Me Darlin" by Steve Goodman & John Prine; became 
a hit for David Allen Coe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsa5IiNjIkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ap-GLcEixs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9coh7mBHwr4

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Re: OT - bus fire

[Paul Stenquist]

Well done. It was nice of the fire truck driver to pull clear of your frame.
Paul
On May 14, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Cotty wrote:

> Not every day you come across a bus on fire! Made me late for my next job ;-)
> 
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Re: PESO: Sisters

[Bruce Walker]

Oooow, you better hope that woman never finds you! :-) Great shot.


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PESO: Sisters

[Paul Stenquist]

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Re: Buying LX

[Dmitry Gromov]

Hi!

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> Been years since I dealt with KEH, but when I did they were fine.
>
> As you may already know, there were two versions of the LX - one with ISO 6
> - 1600 and a later one supporting ISO 6-3200 and some other differences.  I
> think that there were other variations within the boarder "early' and "late'
>  models as well. Probably a good idea to get details before buying.
>
> It is a beautiful camera - I use mine regularly.
>

Yeah, I know about early and late models and the differences, wanted
to get newer one, hope it more common, but there is no way to know it
from KEH's description :(

Thanks!
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bruce Walker]

Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense
of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ...

You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out
of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an hour.
So does the model. The lights are setup: a couple on the background to
blow it to white, two on the model.

Larry: I'l take a test shot.
Model: okay.
L: POP
L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram.
L: ...
L: hmmm. I think that's underexposed. Let me fix that.
L: POP
L: hang on, I'm checking the histogram again.
L: Um. That might be overexposed. Shit, there's a huge spike at the right. WTF?
M: I think my lipstick is smeared. 

Versus:

Bruce: I'm going to meter the light.
Model: okay.
B: POP
B: f/8
B: okay, Shel, I want you to pout. Great! Now smile. Super! ...



On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >> One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would
> >> work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at
> >> the histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not 
> >> just
> >> bracket.  Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a terabyte of
> >> storage.  Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have the option of
> >> combining the frames in post production.
> >
> > I can't argue with your logic, Larry.
> > Oh, of course I can.
> > :)
>
> I don't have time for a full on discussion right now, but my issue with
> incident light meters is that they don't take into account the reflectivity
> of the subject.
>
> Note, that I also didn't suggest bracketing action shots, nor did I
> suggest that bracketing is always the answer.  My question is, what does
> taking a light meter reading get you that the histogram doesn't?
>
> For that matter, what does an expensive incident light meter get you that
> one of those incident light meter/ white balance lens caps doesn't?
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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 4:19 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Very nice as usual Mark. A nit for me is the shadow on several of the 
images due to the flash.


Your images are making me try my A* 200 macro with a ring flash on 
some of my backyard critters


Thanks, Ken -  the flash is a little hot in some of these. Hard to get 
it balanced on cloudy days. I'll be interested ot see you ring flash 
shots if you go that route.


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Re: OT - bus fire

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 12:30 PM, Cotty wrote:

Not every day you come across a bus on fire! Made me late for my next job ;-)




Wow - that burned fast. Amazing...

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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 3:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Contact Marc C., (the guy who shot these images), his old one seems to 
work in green button mode, or so he says, and I have no reason to 
doubt his word.  He's looking to sell it.  Maybe he'll offer you a 
bargain.


I plan to sell off the old one but am at a loss as to what to ask or how 
to approach it. I will probably put it on eBay as a parts or repair item.


MCC

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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 11:38 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Jeffery Smith

I can't find this lens at BH Photo or even on the Pentax USA site. Is
it a very recently released lens?

Jeffery


http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/tele/A200f4-Macro.html

Produced from 1984 - 2000.

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/tele/FA200f4-Macro.html

Replaced by an FA version, produced from 2000 - 2004

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/

First place I'd look for Pentax K-mount related information.

As others have noted, it's an old and discontinued model. There seems to 
be ample demand for 180 - 200mm macros - maybe Pentax will release 
another. Seems like it would be a good seller.


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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

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On May 14, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work 
>> significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the 
>> histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just 
>> bracket.  Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a terabyte of 
>> storage.  Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have the option of 
>> combining the frames in post production.
> 
> I can't argue with your logic, Larry.
> Oh, of course I can.
> :)

I don't have time for a full on discussion right now, but my issue with 
incident light meters is that they don't take into account the reflectivity of 
the subject.

Note, that I also didn't suggest bracketing action shots, nor did I suggest 
that bracketing is always the answer.  My question is, what does taking a light 
meter reading get you that the histogram doesn't?

For that matter, what does an expensive incident light meter get you that one 
of those incident light meter/ white balance lens caps doesn't?



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Re: Processing overexposure on film

[Mark C]

On 5/14/2012 9:07 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:

I'm just getting started with film. One of the things I've read is,
unlike digital, it's better to expose for shadow detail. I've read
that a lot of detail can be pulled back from the overexposed areas on
film.

My question is, can that detail be pulled back from a digital scan of
a negative, or can that only be done via wet print process in a
darkroom?  Another way to state this, should film be exposed in
different ways depending on how it will be post processed, digitally
or analog?

Thanks,



About the rule: I was reading a book by Eddie Ephraum last month and he 
harked on that rule a few times. Like any guideline, it is a good 
starting point but every situation is different. Unless you have a spot 
meter and are able and willing to work out the exposure, it really is a 
trivially generalized statement. If you are using evaluative metering 
the camera’s metering system itself is trying to adjust the exposure 
basedthe shadow / highlight mix. You really have to use a spot meter or 
at least CW averaging to really know what you are exposing for (or not).


Regarding scanning: Assuming we’re talking about B&W negative film here 
– any good quality scanner should be able to extract information from 
the denser areas of the negative. That doesn’t mean that the negs can’t 
get totally blocked up through over exposure and/or over development, 
but any good scanner should be able to get any useable data that is 
there. I’ve scanned thousands of images on a Canon Canoscan FS4000 and 
in the past year have been using a Nikon Coolscan 8000, with about 800 
images scanned so far in 2012. While I used to scan mostly color slides, 
the last few years have been mostly B&W negs and C41 negs.A good scanner 
can extract a lot of data from either, but a poorly exposed and/or 
processed bit of film will never be ideal.


For a while I tried working with developer combinations and agitation 
regimens that resulted in lower contrast negatives – like highly dilute 
Rodinal (1+50 or 1+100) or HC110 Dil H or G (?) and infrequent 
agitation. My theory was to preserve as much shadow and highlight detail 
as possible, get the benefits of compensating developers, capture as 
much as possible in a scan, and then adjust as needed. It was a good 
theory but in reality I find that scanning a crisp, nicely contrasted 
negative is a lot better than trying to work through a dull flat one. So 
now I usually just develop for standard contrast and scan from that. I 
do tend to go for higher dilutions just because there is less room for 
randomness when developing something for 10 to 15 minutes, vs 5 to 7. 
The longer development time seems to even out the inevitable 
inconsistencies in processing (at least in *my* processing :-)


You may need to tweak the settings in your scanner software.Just make a 
preview scan and check the histogram and make sure that the black and 
white points are not clipped. If the scanner and software support 
multiple passes, that should also enable more data to be extracted from 
dense areas of the film. I’ve never needed that with B&W negative film, 
but have used it (rarely) for dense color transparency films. If push 
comes to shove you can do a few scans and blend them together. Just as 
in a darkroom where you’d make a base exposure and then mask off part of 
the print and burn in another section, you can make two (or more) scans 
and blend them together. I haven’t tried merge to HDR with multiple film 
scans, but that might be an easy way to capture more data. Both of the 
dedicated film scanners that I’ve used have had exposure adjustment 
tools that let you over or under expose the scan by simply increasing or 
decreasing the exposure time.I think that Vuescan also has a “long 
exposure pass” setting that does two scan passes – one normal and one at 
a longer exposure – to attempt to get more data out of scans. It’s been 
years since I used Vuescan so I don’t know if that is still supported.


Have fun!

MCC


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RE: PESO - Motorcycle Mama's Day

[Bob W]

> >
> > Or just living the greatest country & western song ever written.
> >
> 
> Which is . . .???
> 

"Since they took my momma off to prison
Things down on the farm ain't been the same
Yesterday she broke out of the jailhouse
An' drove the goddam truck into a train"

or something like that by Jasper Carrott

B
> 
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:46 PM, John Sessoms 
> wrote:
> > From: frank theriault
> >>
> >> Spotted this outside a local bar earlier today.  Apparently (s)he
> >> needed a beer or two before seeing Mom:
> >>
> >> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/motorcycle-mamas-day.html
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >
> >
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Re: Carroll Shelby

[Steven Desjardins]

I didn't see this until now.  What a great life he had.

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM, jn289  wrote:
> I Meet him at a Ford event at Maple Grove Raceway, He was a nice guy. There
> was (is) another guy by the name of Sam Feinstein who raced a AC Cobra and
> had a speed shop called Feinstein Racing in Cheltenham, Pa. I used to go
> there a lot, took my Mustangs. You can search out his name and see the
> records that he has with his cobra. When I get the time I will put up some
> of the Cobra Photos that I shot for a magazine spread, as a tribute to
> Carroll Shelby. Because of Carroll Shelby and My dad who worked at a couple
> of Ford dealers, all the cars we have ever owned are Fords and we still own
> Fords. Hell my oldest car is a 1954 F100 with a 390 C.I. and a C-6 Automatic
> that I installed.Have a couple of  old mustangs. I remember when my dad was
> looking to buy a new Ford, I tried to get him to buy a 1969 Torino Cobra,
> back then it was only about 3200 hundred dollars, I had all priced out with
> all the Hipo stuff, but  he did not buy it. Well now I also have a 1968
> Torino fastback which I used as the tow car for one of the Mustangs when I
> was drag racing..Carroll Shelby, WE (I) will miss you...Joe
>
>
>
>> Another great one is gone. Saw it on our Times blog earlier today. Carroll
>> was a nice guy if a bit rambunctious. First met him at an International
>> Motor Press Association meeting in New York in the early eighties. He came
>> to show off his Chili, then again at his mini factory in California when he
>> was building a second batch of Cobras with "left over" serial numbers."
>> Always entertaining. He will be missed.
>>
>> Paul
>> On May 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM, mary pitrone wrote:
>>
>>>  This is for you car guys on the list, Joe, Paul, Ken and who ever else
>>> raced or worked on Fords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/carroll-shelby-racer-master-car-builder-dies-age-200041629.html
>>>
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Re: Buying LX

[Mark C]

Been years since I dealt with KEH, but when I did they were fine.

As you may already know, there were two versions of the LX - one with 
ISO 6 - 1600 and a later one supporting ISO 6-3200 and some other 
differences.  I think that there were other variations within the 
boarder "early' and "late'  models as well. Probably a good idea to get 
details before buying.


It is a beautiful camera - I use mine regularly.

MCC

On 5/13/2012 10:35 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote:

Hi!

Long-long time reader here - its time for me to get an LX, always wanted...
Need your advice - by an EX condition from KEH or go hunting on eBay.

KEH promises good condition, CLA performed and 2 week return. My
previous experience with them was fine.
But reading some feedback here (and elsewhere) makes me a bit nervous...
eBay is more roulette-like, but some sellers also guarantee returns,
eBay has some protection as well and also photos and serials published
(no details available from KEH).

Get EX? Or get BGN condition cheaper and try to get CLA/fix for the
money saved? I guess, repair becomes more and more costly as time goes
by...

Or, may be someone here (reputable!) can offer a good one for sale? :)

Your advice, tips and thoughts would be appreciated!

Dmitry

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Re: PESO - Motorcycle Mama's Day

[Steven Desjardins]

Which is . . .???


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:46 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: frank theriault
>>
>> Spotted this outside a local bar earlier today.  Apparently (s)he
>> needed a beer or two before seeing Mom:
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/motorcycle-mamas-day.html
>>
>> ;-)
>
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Darren Addy]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work 
> significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the 
> histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just 
> bracket.  Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a terabyte of 
> storage.  Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have the option of 
> combining the frames in post production.

I can't argue with your logic, Larry.
Oh, of course I can.
:)

Firstly, I hate this line of arguement because it implies that one
need not learn the principles of photography if one can only take
enough bracketed exposures of something. The problem is, that many
subjects are captured in a moment of time and the timing of the moment
of exposure is essential. (Simply mashing down on the shutter button
and shooting 5 fps *might* capture that same moment [or one close to
it] but again it might not. Similarly, one could shoot video and
extract a frame and call it a photograph but I wouldn't call such a
one a photographer.

The more automatic things become, the less today's photographers need
to learn & understand in the individual components (building blocks)
and how they inter-relate & how they apply to capturing a given scene
or situation. Even in digital, a lot of people don't understand what
they are giving up as they crank up the ISO. (I'm thinking that we
could make a similar argument to Larry's in explaining why we no
longer need tripods, we can just crank up the ISO to get the shot. But
clearly there are great benefits that will be visible in an image
taken at a lower ISO - especially if it is a wider dynamic range scene
that we are trying to capture.)

Secondly, not everyone wants to spend copious amounts of time in
post-processing. Theoretically, we could bracket every shot we take
and later combine them using HDR (or whatever pseudonym you prefer).
Which works pretty well, as long you have the time and nothing was
*moving* in the frame.

Thirdly, you can bracket all you want, as long as you weren't
pre-visualizing a certain amount of motion freezing/blurring (since
bracketing by changing shutter speed is going to affect that) or you
desired a certain amount of DOF (since bracketing by aperture is going
to affect that). In fact, your combining of images is going to
sacrifice something in one department or the other when you blend.

I'm not quite sure why so many of today's photographers are so willing
to sacrifice time in the planning/pre-visualizing/taking stages of
photography, but then so willing to spend that time (and more) in
post-processing. I think it may have something to do with being more
comfortable with the  computer than with the camera.

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RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bob W]

> >
> > One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would
> > work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and
> looking
> > at the histogram.
> 
> you get an incident light reading rather than a reflected reading, and
> you take the reading before you start shooting. You then stick with the
> settings that your meter gives you, so you're not spending your time
> checking the histogram instead of shooting.
> 

in addition, the histogram is just an approximation of the jpeg version of
your raw file, assuming you shoot raw, so it's not as accurate as a meter
reading.

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Re: Candace liked my FA 77.

[Igor Roshchin]

Larry,

Just in case:
B&H has had 77/1.8 consistently in stock at $785 for many months.
I (finally! after many years of considering) bought it in March.
I was seriously considering the korean 85/1.4, but decided to pull 
the trigger on this one.
It was in stock just last week, but I see it now being listed as 
out of stock.
That may explain the prices jumping at other stores.


I like that lens. It looks like my K-7 underexposes with it, but
that is not a big problem. I like the clarities of the colors in low
light.
I wish this lens had the focus-ring gear like the recent DA lenses have.

Here is an example of a short video shot with this lens (at Austin
Spring Tango Festival): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOu4l8ID8YE
There is nothing special about this video (except for the new, 
yet unreleased song by APQ). Sorry for it being shaky, I don't do
videos much, especially not with the tele-ish lenses.

Igor


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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

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Larry Colen wrote:

>One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work 
>significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the 
>histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just 
>bracket.  Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a terabyte of 
>storage.  Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have the option of 
>combining the frames in post production.
>
>I could almost see some justification for using a hand held meter if you are 
>shooting JPEG, only have a 1GB card, and you camera doesn't have the ability 
>to display histograms or delete test shots.

I expressed this opinion a couple of years ago and Bill Rob explained
how light meters are invaluable for determining lighting ratios (among
multiple light sources) in studio photography.

Of course, for the kind of photography I do a light meter would be
just extra weight to carry, as you noted. In fact use my DSLR as a
light meter when shooting with my Pentax 67 (which has the non-metered
prism).

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RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bob W]

> 
> > The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me
> > browsing the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital
> > light meters .
> >
> > Mine are both relics of the film days, including a L-308s and
> whatever
> > was the equivalent back then of the L-758 meters.
> >
> > I get a lot of use out of the L-308s and noting that they now do the
> > L-308DC I wonder if it's worthwhile to get one. The main difference
> > that interests me is calibration.
> >
> > Is anyone else here using a calibrated meter / camera combo? If so,
> > how much difference does it make, and is it easy to use or just
> > another damn thing getting in the way?
> 
> One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would
> work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking
> at the histogram.  

you get an incident light reading rather than a reflected reading, and you
take the reading before you start shooting. You then stick with the settings
that your meter gives you, so you're not spending your time checking the
histogram instead of shooting.

> Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why
> not just bracket. 

You can't bracket a once-in-a-lifetime shot. If your subject is moving and
your timing is critical bracketing is not a viable option.

> Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a
> terabyte of storage. 

I don't want a terabyte of storage. I want to be able to take a reliable
light reading matched to my cameras which will capture the optimum amount of
information when I open the shutter and reduce the amount of time I spend
checking the back and in post-production.

> Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have
> the option of combining the frames in post production.

The time spent in post-production can be better wasted on other things. If
your exposure is out then you lose a lot of image quality too, so the post
production is just about trying to improve something that you could have got
right when you were shooting. It shouldn't just be about rescuing things.

> 
> I could almost see some justification for using a hand held meter if
> you are shooting JPEG, only have a 1GB card, and you camera doesn't
> have the ability to display histograms or delete test shots.



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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Larry Colen]

On May 14, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Bob W wrote:

> The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me browsing
> the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital light meters
> .
> 
> Mine are both relics of the film days, including a L-308s and whatever was
> the equivalent back then of the L-758 meters.
> 
> I get a lot of use out of the L-308s and noting that they now do the L-308DC
> I wonder if it's worthwhile to get one. The main difference that interests
> me is calibration.
> 
> Is anyone else here using a calibrated meter / camera combo? If so, how much
> difference does it make, and is it easy to use or just another damn thing
> getting in the way? 

One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work 
significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the 
histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just 
bracket.  Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will buy you a terabyte of 
storage.  Plus, if you bracket in digital, you always have the option of 
combining the frames in post production.

I could almost see some justification for using a hand held meter if you are 
shooting JPEG, only have a 1GB card, and you camera doesn't have the ability to 
display histograms or delete test shots.


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Re: Pentax Repair East Coast US

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks.  I'll be sending it to Chandler, Arizona, which is where the
PENTAX Service Department apparently is these days.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Precision Camera Repair of Chicopee MA used to be an authorized Pentax
> repair service.  I don't even know if they are still in operation.  I never
> liked them.  You'd be better off sending it to Colorado IMNSHO.
>
>
> On 5/14/2012 10:47 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> I have a K-r that got wet, and needs some serious work, if it is
>> repairable at all.  Any recommendations in the US, preferably in or
>> near the NYC area?
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[Jeffery Smith]

It's a shame that it was discontinued. It looks like a great macro lens. 

Jeffery

On May 14, 2012, at 10:38 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Jeffery Smith
>> I can't find this lens at BH Photo or even on the Pentax USA site. Is
>> it a very recently released lens?
>> 
>> Jeffery
> 
> http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/tele/A200f4-Macro.html
> 
> Produced from 1984 - 2000.
> 
> http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/tele/FA200f4-Macro.html
> 
> Replaced by an FA version, produced from 2000 - 2004
> 
> http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/
> 
> First place I'd look for Pentax K-mount related information.
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Re: PESO: The Photographer

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks ,Frank, Bruce and Miserere!

Dan
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> Such intensity! That face is priceless.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: PESO: The Photographer
>
> At our annual Rotary Club awards event, this young man was
> photographing his 90 year old great-grandmother receiving an award for
> community service.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15717512
>
> Comments will be appreciated.
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Re: A bit pricey even for a Leica

[Darren Addy]

You can watch the bidding as it happened here:
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/05/14/watch-how-the-2-79-million-leica-camera-auction-this-past-weekend-went-down/

I would have been *very* nervous holding it in my hand for the
photographers, at the end of the auction.

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Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

[Bob W]

The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me browsing
the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital light meters
.

Mine are both relics of the film days, including a L-308s and whatever was
the equivalent back then of the L-758 meters.

I get a lot of use out of the L-308s and noting that they now do the L-308DC
I wonder if it's worthwhile to get one. The main difference that interests
me is calibration.

Is anyone else here using a calibrated meter / camera combo? If so, how much
difference does it make, and is it easy to use or just another damn thing
getting in the way? 

Thanks,
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Re: The Prayer

[Cotty]

On 12/5/12, jn289, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A black and white...Thoughts ? Like, Dislike ?..Joe
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5761478

You sire she's not takin a dump?

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Re: PESO -- Untitled

[Toine]

I think you should have moved the bag out of sight.

Toine

On 14 May 2012 20:56, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> Everything was there, the pose, the lighting, the legs, the focus...  Well
> the focus mostly not, but did I mention the legs?
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitled-2.html
>
> I bet you expected a different sort of bird...
>
> Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f2.8~4.0 (Komine).
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Re: OT - bus fire

[Cotty]

On 14/5/12, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Your integrity can get in the way. ;-)

So looks like I have some after all! :)

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Re: Bird stuff -- semi-OT - you guys need to see THE BIG YEAR

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-09 18:57 Ann Sanfedele wrote

I've just watched it for the second time... it is out on DVD

Really sweet movie based on a non-fiction book about birding and 
competitiveness.


thanks for the recommendation — we got if from the library and watched it this 
weekend; i overlooked Owen Wilson's acting and enjoyed it overall; entertaining 
and somewhat educational


as a bonus, we saw it on the same day we saw a spotted towhee for the first 
time (i have seen rufus-sided towhees in Maine in the 70s); now i'm inspired to 
have a small year


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Re: May PUG, 'Blue' is Up!

[Cotty]

On 12/5/12, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You'll find the gallery here:
>
>http://pug.komkon.org/

Really fabulous gallery! Thanks to all the contributors, enjoyed every
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Re: Just ordered CS6

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-13 15:13 Mark Roberts wrote


InDesign supposedly now generates ePub files that actually pass
validation, so that'll be a huge time-saving bonus. Trouble is, the
file format is completely incompatible with InDesign CS5, so I'll
probably not try converting this year's PDML book.


InDesign CS6 files can't be opened by CS5, but you can backsave to IDML; that 
should be lossy only if you use CS6-only features, though i suppose it adds an 
element of risk; CS6 opens CS5 files without problem in my limited experience


i just started my $30/month subscription to CS6, so i can't yet speak to 
whether CS6 has any show-stoppers


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Re: Hanging by a thread

[Cotty]

On 12/5/12, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Testing is under way on a cable car that has been built across the Thames
>from Greenwich to some God-forsaken hole that no-one would ever go to except
>that it's near the Olympic stadium. Here are some snaps (photo snaps, not
>cable snaps...):
>
>

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RE: PAW123 - Movement

[Bob W]

I like the sense of counter-movement of the heraldic lion, as if he's trying
to resist.

B

> -Original Message-
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> 
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K-5, DA*16-50mm@39mm, 1/60s, f/6.3, ISO100.
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Re: Candace liked my FA 77.

[Bulent Celasun]

Another vote for the Rokinon (Samyang) 85mm f/1.4 manual lens.
Simply great performer.
(I do have the 77mm and like it very much as well).

Bulent
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2012/5/14 Darren Addy :
> [Resend of an earlier mistakenly Rich Text transmission]
>
> No personal experience, but you sure aren't risking a lot of dollars
> to try the Rokinon 85mm f1.4
> People seem pretty pleased with its value, but then people never seem
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> http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-85M-P-Aspherical-Pentax-Black/product-reviews/B0025F4AWW/ref=sr_1_6_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
>
> Top review there is headlined "Would be a bargain at twice the price"
> FWIW, that's less than one could even find a 85mm f1.9 or f1.8 Takumar.
>
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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[kwaller]

Very nice as usual Mark. A nit for me is the shadow on several of the images 
due to the flash.


Your images are making me try my A* 200 macro with a ring flash on some of 
my backyard critters


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark C" 

Subject: GESO - Spring Insect Macros



http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/blog6.php/2012/05/13/insect-macros-2

A few shots with the new A* 200mm macro, K5, and flash, taken in a local 
park this afternoon. The flies and spider were taken with the same setup 
plus an SMC 1.4x-L teleconverter, to get a greater than life sized image 
for the smaller subjects.


 Warning to arachnophobes - one friendly neighborhood spider shot.



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PAW123 - Movement

[DagT]

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*16-50mm@39mm, 1/60s, f/6.3, ISO100.

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Re: Candace liked my FA 77.

[Darren Addy]

[Resend of an earlier mistakenly Rich Text transmission]

No personal experience, but you sure aren't risking a lot of dollars
to try the Rokinon 85mm f1.4
People seem pretty pleased with its value, but then people never seem
to know any better.
http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-85M-P-Aspherical-Pentax-Black/product-reviews/B0025F4AWW/ref=sr_1_6_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Top review there is headlined "Would be a bargain at twice the price"
FWIW, that's less than one could even find a 85mm f1.9 or f1.8 Takumar.

Here's a gallery of images created with that lens:
http://www.pbase.com/jjooste/rokinon_85mm_f14_lens

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Re: Any Boston PDML up for a trip to Hunt's on Friday?

[Postmaster]

Miserere wrote:

>On 5 May 2012 20:36, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> Pentax is doing some kind of promo thing at Hunt's camera on Friday
>> (11:00 am according to their Facebook announcement). They say they'll
>> have the Optio WG-2 and the K-01 on hand. This is apparently taking
>> place at the Melrose location (where they did the 645D presentation).
>
>Mark,
>
>I am reading this a bit behind schedule, but I couldn't have made it
>anyway (was out of town). Did you go? Is the K-01 as great as you
>thought it was...or as crap as *I* thought it was?  :-)

I didn't get to go. But personally, I have never fancied the K-01 for
myself: lack of a viewfinder is a deal-killer to me.

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Re: Email issues

[Toine]

I have set the post acknowledgement in the pdml account settings. I
think the gmail email client on iphone and ipad doesn't do plain text.

Toine

On 14 May 2012 00:11, Larry Colen  wrote:
> My email to pdml hasn't been going through.  I made sure it's set to plain 
> text.
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Re: PESO Mandala

[Toine]

Thanks everyone for looking and commenting. much appreciated!

Toine

On 13 May 2012 10:47, Toine  wrote:
> During spring I'm always searching for wild orchids. I did find,
> captured and chimped a few and didn't like the results. To relieve the
> stress I grabbed a mandala
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/220-mandala
>
> Toine

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Re: Any Boston PDML up for a trip to Hunt's on Friday?

[Miserere]

On 5 May 2012 20:36, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Pentax is doing some kind of promo thing at Hunt's camera on Friday
> (11:00 am according to their Facebook announcement). They say they'll
> have the Optio WG-2 and the K-01 on hand. This is apparently taking
> place at the Melrose location (where they did the 645D presentation).


Mark,

I am reading this a bit behind schedule, but I couldn't have made it
anyway (was out of town). Did you go? Is the K-01 as great as you
thought it was...or as crap as *I* thought it was?  :-)

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Re: PESO: The Photographer

[Miserere]

I love how he's looking at his subject and not the phone's (sorry,
camera's) screen.

Cheers,


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On 14 May 2012 15:40, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> That's great, Dan. Well caught moment!
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> At our annual Rotary Club awards event, this young man was
>> photographing his 90 year old great-grandmother receiving an award for
>> community service.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15717512
>>
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Re: OT - bus fire

[Jack Davis]

Get it, Cotty. Your integrity can get in the way. ;-)

Jack

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Subject: Re: OT - bus fire

On 14/5/12, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Certainly appears to be raging. Local newspaper have any use for your
>early image?

Sadly not - if I am on a day when I am contracted to ITV News then
technically any content I shoot (inc stills) during that period has a
copyright belonging to ITV.

In practice if I were to stop and grab a shot of something in my travels
that I used, say, in one of my corporate productions during an ITV
shift, well nobody is any wiser. If i were to sell images of the bus on
fire elsewhere, because it was a unique event and there was nobody else
around, it would be hard to defend!

The remuneration I get from ITV makes it a moot point anyway, so am not
bothered about 40 quid from a local rag.

If however I came across it on a day when I'm not contracted, then of
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Re: PESO: The Photographer

[Bruce Walker]

That's great, Dan. Well caught moment!

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> At our annual Rotary Club awards event, this young man was
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> community service.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15717512
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> Comments will be appreciated.
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Re: OT: Samsung to phase out point & shoots, aim for EVIL crown

[Miserere]

On 10 May 2012 17:47, steve harley  wrote:
>
> on 2012-05-10 15:33 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>
>> Eh? Just buy a Leica M9, a lens or two, and take pictures.  ];-)
>
>
> rather than the zen of expensive simplicity, i forced by circumstances to 
> embrace the zen of cheap chaos ;?>


Hear, hear!


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Re: PESO Bluebird

[Bruce Walker]

Apparently you're supposed to get one of these good-luck birds
tattooed on after 10,000 nautical miles at sea and another after the
next 10,000 miles. Julia has two of these birds, one on each thigh,
but I didn't ask her where she'd sailed. :-)

BTW, she plays jazz flute. I'll try to get her to come down to the
jazz jam at the Gallery Studio Cafe one Tuesday evening. I'll let you
know if she's expected.

Thanks for looking, Frank!


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
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>
> Ah yes, that must be the "Bluebird of Happiness" that I've heard so much
> about:
>
> Looked at her and instantly felt happy!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
> To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
> Subject: PESO Bluebird
>
> [A resend: accidentally sent as rich text 1st time.]
>
> http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7184861788/lightbox/
>
> Safe for work IMHO, but keep another window open nearby just in case. :)
>
> K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 50mm/f:9.0, 1/125 sec, 100 ISO
> Elinchrom monolight/softbox left, floor-to-ceiling 4-ft wide white card
> right.
>
> Comments cheerfully welcomed!
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Re: Processing overexposure on film

[Larry Colen]

On May 14, 2012, at 6:07 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:

> I'm just getting started with film. One of the things I've read is,
> unlike digital, it's better to expose for shadow detail. I've read
> that a lot of detail can be pulled back from the overexposed areas on
> film.
> 
> My question is, can that detail be pulled back from a digital scan of
> a negative, or can that only be done via wet print process in a
> darkroom?  Another way to state this, should film be exposed in
> different ways depending on how it will be post processed, digitally
> or analog?

While it doesn't work so much for action shots, if a shot is that important, 
I'll bracket, even in film.

I suspect that it might also be possible to apply HDR techniques (for bringing 
out detail, not the crazy tone mapping) to scans of film, whether you scan one 
negative at multiple exposures, or you bracket in film and scan three frames.  
Does anyone have any experience with this?


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Re: Buying LX

[Dmitry Gromov]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Last I checked Pentax was still servicing the LX.  However probably the best
> place to send if for a CLA, if you know it doesn't need any parts is
> Pentaxs.com.  Eric does excellent work for reasonable prices.  He just
> recently started charging return postage but that's a small price to pay for
> someone who's work and word you can trust.
>

Ok, thanks for the reminder about pentaxs.com - I remember this place
was mentioned on the list before, should have searched better :)
Going to ask Eric about current prices...

Dmitry

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RE: A bit pricey even for a Leica

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18050363
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especially now that film is dead.

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Re: Buying LX

[P. J. Alling]

Last I checked Pentax was still servicing the LX.  However probably the 
best place to send if for a CLA, if you know it doesn't need any parts 
is Pentaxs.com.  Eric does excellent work for reasonable prices.  He 
just recently started charging return postage but that's a small price 
to pay for someone who's work and word you can trust.


On 5/14/2012 1:44 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote:

Hi!

Thanks for the response, I'll email you off list.

But a question though - what is the current cost of CLA and what is
the good place in US to perform it (preferably NY/NJ/PA tri-state)? I
guess, Pentax no longer dealing with it?

Thanks!
Dmitry

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Miserere  wrote:

Well, Dmitry, I have an LX that I want to sell, but it needs a CLA.
Other than that it's in pretty good physical shape. If you might be
interested, e-mail me off-list.

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On 14 May 2012 11:47, Dmitry Gromov  wrote:

Hi!

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


As far as I know, the only complaints about KEH were their offerings are low
when they're buying equipment. I would buy from KEH before I'd buy from
eBay.

My experience with KEH is their quality descriptions are very conservative.


Thank you, John, for confirming my own experience with KEH.
But as I said - I saw posts in PDML saying that they do not answer
emails/calls if return is needed or send non-working item.
Those complains are rare, more often people say (as you pointed out)
that their ratings are conservative.
However, I did have some difficulty communicating with them over email.
Thanks!
Dmitry

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Candace liked my FA 77.

[Larry Colen]

I've cc'd my friend Candace on this email, so you can reply-all if you have 
something to say that would be of particular interest to her. I suspect that 
the topics below will generate discussion not only of interest to her, but some 
interesting digressions on technology, making compromises, and possibly even 
some sophomoric paronomasia.

She had been asking me about getting better low light performance out of her 
gear, what lenses to look at, or whether she'd be better off upgrading from her 
K-m.  She lives in Sacramento, I live in Santa Cruz, and we met up at a 
friend's birthday party in Berkeley Saturday.  Over the course of the evening, 
I let her play with an assortment of my lenses, and loaned her an M50/1.7 and a 
supertak 50/1.4.  Since a lot of the end of the evening was our playing around 
doing impromptu portraits of a couple friends playing guitar, I'm not terribly 
surprised that she liked my 77/1.8 ltd so much.  That is exactly the situation 
where that lens really shines.

Prices have gone up a bit on them since I bought mine.  I spent several months 
following ads, doing web searches and the like until I found it for about $700, 
at either Abe's or Prodigital 2000. Today, they seem to be up to about $1100, 
though KEH seems to have a couple of used ones for under $750.  If anyone 
happens to know of any particularly good deals on them, from a store that's 
actually likely to deliver, I'm sure that Candace would be interested in 
learning more.

In a similar vein, has anyone tried the Sigma 85/1.4?  It's bit less expensive, 
two thirds of a stop faster, has it's own focus motor, and is a bit heavier.  I 
definitely have mixed feelings about some of my sigma glass, when they work, 
they're wonderful.  Sigma is also excellent at specifying lenses that I'd love 
to have, though you can sacrifice a bit of sharpness around the edges for the 
wider aperture.

http://www.google.com/search?ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=sigma+85+1.4#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=sigma+85+1.4+pentax+&oq=sigma+85+1.4+pentax+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...349029.349029.4.349752.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.va18x6RXcS4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5fcdc9aab960680&ix=heb&biw=1431&bih=1020

And while we're at it, I'll also point to the Samyang/Rokinon/Vivitar  etc. 
Korean 85/1.4  manual exposure, manual focus 85/1.4 that is about half the cost:
http://www.google.com/search?ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=sigma+85+1.4#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=korean+85+1.4+pentax+&oq=korean+85+1.4+pentax+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...19368.20908.5.21376.7.7.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.yAvrV9nOzLU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5fcdc9aab960680&ix=heb&biw=1431&bih=1020


As to camera bodies, Candace seems to have two usage profiles where performance 
counts.  One is night time parties with the "burner" crowd, or even at burning 
man itself.  In these cases, I think that the critical factors would be:  low 
light performance, dynamic range, and weather sealing (on the playa which is 
very, very dusty).   In these situations, my gut feeling is that she'd be best 
off with a K-5, a DA* 16-50, and a DA* 55/1.4  (and possibly a DA* 50-135), 
though there's a lot to also recommend the sigma 30/1.4 for low light work.  
And, for when the playa is stupid dusty, a K-1000 a roll of kodacolor 200, 
would be able to share some lenses with the DSLR.

Since Candace also cares about size and weight, there's probably an argument in 
favor of the K-01, but the lack of dynamic range vs the K-5 and weather sealing 
count against it.  We've been talking about how the K-5 might be getting close 
to the end of its run, when would Pentax/Ricoh be likely to announce a 
successor?

The other usage scenario for Candace is backpacking and hiking.  Since she's a 
backpacker that brings along a camera, rather than a photographer that goes 
backpacking, she tends to bring along her point and shoot rather than her DSLR. 
 She mumbled something about the K-m weighing as much as her tent, sleeping 
bag, stove and three days of food combined.  OK, I'm exaggerating a bit.  My 
guess is that for backpacking, she might be better off with something in the 
micro 4/3 system.  It wouldn't have the weather sealing, low light performance, 
or dynamic range of an APS camera, but I suspect that the newest u4/3 bodies 
probably out-perform her K-m.   Of course, someone with an unlimited budget 
would probably want a Leica M-9 for backpacking. 

Would she likely be better off getting a u4/3 system or a high end point and 
shoot for backpacking?  It's my impression that some of the good point and 
shoots actually perform on par with most of the u4/3 bodies, and weigh a good 
bit less.


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RE: Processing overexposure on film

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> On May 14, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:
> 
> > I'm just getting started with film. One of the things I've read is,
> > unlike digital, it's better to expose for shadow detail.
> 
> Like most rules, this is, for the most part, bullshit. It all depends
> on what part of the image is important. 

different films and film types respond differently to the same light / meter
reading so it's as well to understand that, and the rules of thumb about
exposure are useful to know. 

'Expose for shadows' is essentially aimed at b&w print film and generally
requires some work in the processing and printing. So if you're not
interested in that you either have to tell your friendly printer what to do
(pull / push), or just hope for the best. 

Slide films where less forgiving of over-exposure because it was easier to
blow out the highlights, and blown highlights generally look shit on slides.
A lot of people routinely under-exposed slides by up to 1 stop. When I tried
this I didn't like it, so I stopped doing it.

The answer is to experiment until you understand what's going on. 

There is also an excellent book I can recommend called "Perfect Exposure" by
Jim Zuckerman. His 'secrets' are not secrets at all, but it's a good book
for understanding exposure.
<
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Exposure-Zuckermans-Secrets-Photographs/dp/158
2971269>


> With film or digital, if
> highlights are important, you want to make sure they fall within a
> couple of stops of your incident meter of gray-card  light reading --
> or zone 7. If shadows are critical, they should be around zone 3,
> perhaps zone 2 if very dark. Again, within a couple of stops of the
> median. With digital, it depends a lot on the capability of the camera.
> With the K-5, I can expose for highlights and pull up shadow if
> necessary. If i do that with the K-7, I end up with a noisy mess of an
> image.
> 

The big difference with digital is exposing for the histogram. 

By coincidence I did some test shots this weekend specifically to see how
much difference it made to the shots and I was quite surprised. I took a
series of photos of the same subject in bright sunlight so that the exposure
ranged from deep shade, through a mid-toned paving slab, through to a bright
highlight and some specular highlights on glossy leaves. 

I took an incident reading and shot manually, first using the MIE, then
opening up until the histogram moved to the right as far as it could without
producing blinkies.

In Lightroom I used the curves to bring the exposure to the right so that
each of the shots had approximately the same shaped curve and histogram with
the values distributed from black up to white.

The ones where I'd exposed to the right of the histogram were noise-free,
whereas those that used the meter-indicated exposure were very noisy in the
shadows and midtones when I pixel-peeped. 

This is consistent with the theory behind 'expose to the right' - Lightroom
is having to invent values for everything to the right of the histogram when
you drag it that way, and the difference is very noticeable.

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Re: GESO - Spring Insect Macros

[P. J. Alling]

Contact Marc C., (the guy who shot these images), his old one seems to 
work in green button mode, or so he says, and I have no reason to doubt 
his word.  He's looking to sell it.  Maybe he'll offer you a bargain.


On 5/14/2012 9:51 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Jeff,
Boz says the lens was in production 1984-2000.
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/tele/A200f4-Macro.html
Expect to pay serious money to get one.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Jeffery Smith  wrote:

I can't find this lens at BH Photo or even on the Pentax USA site. Is it a very 
recently released lens?

Jeffery

Sent from my iPad

On May 13, 2012, at 21:18, Mark C  wrote:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/blog6.php/2012/05/13/insect-macros-2

A few shots with the new A* 200mm macro, K5, and flash, taken in a local park 
this afternoon. The flies and spider were taken with the same setup plus an SMC 
1.4x-L teleconverter, to get a greater than life sized image for the smaller 
subjects.

Warning to arachnophobes - one friendly neighborhood spider shot.

MCC

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Re: Pentax Repair East Coast US

[P. J. Alling]

Precision Camera Repair of Chicopee MA used to be an authorized Pentax 
repair service.  I don't even know if they are still in operation.  I 
never liked them.  You'd be better off sending it to Colorado IMNSHO.


On 5/14/2012 10:47 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I have a K-r that got wet, and needs some serious work, if it is
repairable at all.  Any recommendations in the US, preferably in or
near the NYC area?


TIA,

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola




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PESO -- Untitled

[P. J. Alling]

Everything was there, the pose, the lighting, the legs, the focus...  
Well the focus mostly not, but did I mention the legs?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitled-2.html

I bet you expected a different sort of bird...

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f2.8~4.0 (Komine).

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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RE: PESO - Solidarity, Brother

[Bob W]

I dunno. According to the banners they're teachers, so if they get mad at
you they just make you go and see the headmaster.

B

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Jack Davis
> 
> I see what you mean, Frank. I think the vertically challenged guy in
> the middle of the front row is probably always mad about being short.
> 
> Jack
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: frank theriault 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:54 AM
> Subject: PESO - Solidarity, Brother
> 
> The weekend before May Day unionized government workers from around the
> province rallied here in Toronto at Queen's Park (the legislature
> buildings) against proposed government cutbacks.  Got loads of photos,
> but this was the best of them:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/05/solidarity-brother.html
> 
> Wouldn't want to argue with these fellows about austerity measures...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT - bus fire

[Cotty]

On 14/5/12, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Certainly appears to be raging. Local newspaper have any use for your
>early image?

Sadly not - if I am on a day when I am contracted to ITV News then
technically any content I shoot (inc stills) during that period has a
copyright belonging to ITV.

In practice if I were to stop and grab a shot of something in my travels
that I used, say, in one of my corporate productions during an ITV
shift, well nobody is any wiser. If i were to sell images of the bus on
fire elsewhere, because it was a unique event and there was nobody else
around, it would be hard to defend!

The remuneration I get from ITV makes it a moot point anyway, so am not
bothered about 40 quid from a local rag.

If however I came across it on a day when I'm not contracted, then of
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Re: PESO Cosmopolitan cat

[Larry Colen]

On May 14, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Oh, what a beauty, Larry!

Thanks Bruce, and Dave.

> Did it have a catnip martini?

Nope, those were cosmopolitans.  I'm not much of one for mixed drinks so I 
didn't try one.  For me, the culinary highlight of the party was the rabbit 
paella:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7190712892/in/set-72157629712045278


> 
> 
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7190731854/in/set-72157629712045278
>> 
>> 

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Re: OT - bus fire

[Jack Davis]

"Bus Fire" came up for me.(?)
Certainly appears to be raging. Local newspaper have any use for your early 
image?

Jack
- Original Message -
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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:30 AM
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Not every day you come across a bus on fire! Made me late for my next job ;-)



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Re: OT - bus fire

[John Sessoms]

Cotty's URL's don't play nice; they don't wrap properly for some reason.

You have to remove a trailing "/" and add "-blaze-on-bus/" to the end 
manually.


http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2012-05-14/firefighters-tackle-blaze-on-bus/

... might work

From: Jack Davis


"Page Not Found"
Microsoft Explorer 9
?
Jack

From: Cotty 
To: pentax list 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: OT - bus fire

Not every day you come across a bus on fire! Made me late for my next job ;-)




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Re: Buying LX

[John Sessoms]

From: Dmitry Gromov


Hi! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms  
wrote:


As far as I know, the only complaints about KEH were their offerings are low
when they're buying equipment. I would buy from KEH before I'd buy from
eBay.

My experience with KEH is their quality descriptions are very conservative.


Thank you, John, for confirming my own experience with KEH.
But as I said - I saw posts in PDML saying that they do not answer
emails/calls if return is needed or send non-working item.
Those complains are rare, more often people say (as you pointed out)
that their ratings are conservative.
However, I did have some difficulty communicating with them over email.

Thanks!
Dmitry


I have never had that experience with KEH.

Thinking back on it, though, I've never had to send anything back 
because it wasn't working as described.


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RE: Processing overexposure on film

[John Sessoms]

From: Kenton Brede

I'm just getting started with film. One of the things I've read is,
unlike digital, it's better to expose for shadow detail. I've read
that a lot of detail can be pulled back from the overexposed areas on
film.

My question is, can that detail be pulled back from a digital scan of
a negative, or can that only be done via wet print process in a
darkroom?  Another way to state this, should film be exposed in
different ways depending on how it will be post processed, digitally
or analog?

Thanks,


If you're talking about regular C-41 Color Negative film (Kodak Ektar, 
Kodak Gold, Kodak Portra, Fujicolor, ...), it handles overexposure 
reasonably well. Digital scans will have the available detail.


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Re: many emails

[Miserere]

True, all PDML e-mails get filtered directly into my Junk folder.
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Re: Buying LX

[Dmitry Gromov]

Hi!

Thanks for the response, I'll email you off list.

But a question though - what is the current cost of CLA and what is
the good place in US to perform it (preferably NY/NJ/PA tri-state)? I
guess, Pentax no longer dealing with it?

Thanks!
Dmitry

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Miserere  wrote:
> Well, Dmitry, I have an LX that I want to sell, but it needs a CLA.
> Other than that it's in pretty good physical shape. If you might be
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> On 14 May 2012 11:47, Dmitry Gromov  wrote:
>> Hi!
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>> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
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>>>
>>> As far as I know, the only complaints about KEH were their offerings are low
>>> when they're buying equipment. I would buy from KEH before I'd buy from
>>> eBay.
>>>
>>> My experience with KEH is their quality descriptions are very conservative.
>>>
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>> Thank you, John, for confirming my own experience with KEH.
>> But as I said - I saw posts in PDML saying that they do not answer
>> emails/calls if return is needed or send non-working item.
>> Those complains are rare, more often people say (as you pointed out)
>> that their ratings are conservative.
>> However, I did have some difficulty communicating with them over email.
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Re: PDML Photo Annual - latest update

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Good to hear Markmaster!


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On 10 May 2012 09:56, Postmaster  wrote:
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> physician but my hat's off to him.
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Well, Dmitry, I have an LX that I want to sell, but it needs a CLA.
Other than that it's in pretty good physical shape. If you might be
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On 14 May 2012 11:47, Dmitry Gromov  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, the only complaints about KEH were their offerings are low
>> when they're buying equipment. I would buy from KEH before I'd buy from
>> eBay.
>>
>> My experience with KEH is their quality descriptions are very conservative.
>>
>
> Thank you, John, for confirming my own experience with KEH.
> But as I said - I saw posts in PDML saying that they do not answer
> emails/calls if return is needed or send non-working item.
> Those complains are rare, more often people say (as you pointed out)
> that their ratings are conservative.
> However, I did have some difficulty communicating with them over email.
>
> Thanks!
> Dmitry
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Re: OT - bus fire

[Steven Desjardins]

Wow, that's quite blaze.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Cotty,
> Pretty good coverage.  You were there before the Firemen!!
> Regards,  Bob S.
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> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Cotty  wrote:
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Re: OT - bus fire

[Jack Davis]

"Page Not Found"
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Jack

From: Cotty 
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Subject: OT - bus fire

Not every day you come across a bus on fire! Made me late for my next job ;-)



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Re: OT - bus fire

[Bob Sullivan]

Cotty,
Pretty good coverage.  You were there before the Firemen!!
Regards,  Bob S.

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RE: PESO Bluebird

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Ah yes, that must be the "Bluebird of Happiness" that I've heard so much about:

Looked at her and instantly felt happy!

cheers,
frank

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From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
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Subject: PESO Bluebird

[A resend: accidentally sent as rich text 1st time.]

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7184861788/lightbox/

Safe for work IMHO, but keep another window open nearby just in case. :)

K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 50mm/f:9.0, 1/125 sec, 100 ISO
Elinchrom monolight/softbox left, floor-to-ceiling 4-ft wide white card right.

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Re: OT - bus fire

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is one hellofa fire!
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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RE: PESO: The Photographer

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Such intensity! That face is priceless.

Cheers,
frank

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From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: May 14, 2012 5/14/12
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Subject: PESO: The Photographer

At our annual Rotary Club awards event, this young man was
photographing his 90 year old great-grandmother receiving an award for
community service.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15717512

Comments will be appreciated.

Dan Matyola
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