Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
On 14 September 2012 08:44, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, William Robb wrote: > >> On 13/09/2012 6:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts >>> wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: >> >> At least Nikon offers an upgrade path > > Not if you own a D4. > >>> >>> A preview I read says to think of the D600 as a FF D7000 (ie prosumer). >>> >>> So yeah, they'll sell boatloads, but it will be to people who just >>> want the magic of the FF buzzword, but for no good actual reason. >>> >> I'd probably take one just for the viewfinder. >> Will it work with my pre AI lenses? > > Not without modification. > >> I mean this quite seriously, a few years ago I bought the Nikon kit I wanted >> when I was a kid. I sought out another F2s, and a 50/1.4, 85/1.8, and >> 105/2.5, all contemporaneous with the F2s, and I got an older 35/3.5 from >> the late F series era. >> >> If I could use this camera with these lenses, I might be interested. > > As I understand it, the older lenses can be machined to work on AIS cameras, > and would therefore work with the D600. > > http://www.aiconversions.com/ His prices are a steal. I was expecting $100/lens or something of the sort. —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 13/09/2012 6:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts >> wrote: >>> Rob Studdert wrote: >>> > > At least Nikon offers an upgrade path Not if you own a D4. >> >> A preview I read says to think of the D600 as a FF D7000 (ie prosumer). >> >> So yeah, they'll sell boatloads, but it will be to people who just >> want the magic of the FF buzzword, but for no good actual reason. >> > I'd probably take one just for the viewfinder. > Will it work with my pre AI lenses? Not without modification. > I mean this quite seriously, a few years ago I bought the Nikon kit I wanted > when I was a kid. I sought out another F2s, and a 50/1.4, 85/1.8, and > 105/2.5, all contemporaneous with the F2s, and I got an older 35/3.5 from the > late F series era. > > If I could use this camera with these lenses, I might be interested. As I understand it, the older lenses can be machined to work on AIS cameras, and would therefore work with the D600. http://www.aiconversions.com/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/09/2012 7:30 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The lack of a PC sync connector is easily remidied by an add on, and you know I don't remember when I read a Strobist post where he was still using physical sync cords, and not pocket wizards so I'm not sure why he feels so betrayed. This looks like the camera a lot of wedding pros and portraitists will be using. Agreed. I am pretty adamant about a PC socket because I still use a 25 year old flash, but I haven't had a cord hooked to my camera for years in the studio. Pocket Lizards are way better. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/09/2012 6:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. The complaints are already coming in though. David "Strobist" Hobby is puzzled by why they left off the PC sync jack, but says the 1/200th sync speed is a dealbreaker for him. He feels Nikon has ignored the lighting enthusiast crowd completely. Says he'll go with a used D700 as his next backup camera. At least Nikon offers an upgrade path A preview I read says to think of the D600 as a FF D7000 (ie prosumer). So yeah, they'll sell boatloads, but it will be to people who just want the magic of the FF buzzword, but for no good actual reason. I'd probably take one just for the viewfinder. Will it work with my pre AI lenses? I mean this quite seriously, a few years ago I bought the Nikon kit I wanted when I was a kid. I sought out another F2s, and a 50/1.4, 85/1.8, and 105/2.5, all contemporaneous with the F2s, and I got an older 35/3.5 from the late F series era. If I could use this camera with these lenses, I might be interested. Such is my curse. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Can Pentax make a list of specs as long as this Nokon's? Of course, they listed every language available in the unit. On Sep 13, 2012, at 05:32 , Mark Roberts wrote: > Rob Studdert wrote: > >> The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >> http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html > > Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger > boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't recall if this was the thread where we discussing having a phone in your camera etc. This arrived this morning - "The new Canon Selphy CP900, a photo printer that is the company's first with built-in Wi-Fi, can make prints from your computer, phone or tablet, if all are connected to your Wi-Fi network." Unless your images are so bad you have to go to photoshop -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If there's going to be a FF DSLR in the near future, look for the announcement to come just in time to miss the Christmas buying season, it won't be the first time. On 9/5/2012 3:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Sep 5, 2012, at 11:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Brian Walters Quoting John Sessoms : I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. NDAs for vaporware suck. I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not going to happen - this September anyway. That might make sense. It's full frame, but for the 110 format. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Assuming this works like other Nikons, this is the confusing way they designate sync speed. When you manually set the shutter speed to X-sync the camera sets the shutter speed to exactly 1/200th sec. When you use the i-TTL mode and let the camera control the flash, it will sync at up to 1/250th. Nikon also has a feature called auto-FP. When that's enabled, the camera automatically shifts into high-speed sync when you go above the regular sync speed. On other bodies there is a custom function that let's you pick the shift point from (if this body is consistent) 1/200th or 1/250th. Nikon uses the term FP-sync for what almost everyone else calls high-speed sync. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Flash Sync SpeedUp to 1/200 sec. > Synchronizes with shutter at 1/250s or slower -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well yea. So they're being honest. On 9/13/2012 11:11 AM, George Sinos wrote: Nikon calls out ISO settings that may be result in lower image quality. I don't know about the 600, but if the designations are consistent with other Nikon bodies Lo "may result in pictures with higher contrast" and Hi settings "may result in pictures with higher noise." gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: ISO SensitivityISO 100 - 6400 Lo-1 (ISO 50) Hi-1 (ISO 12,800) Hi-2 (ISO 25,600) -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nikon calls out ISO settings that may be result in lower image quality. I don't know about the 600, but if the designations are consistent with other Nikon bodies Lo "may result in pictures with higher contrast" and Hi settings "may result in pictures with higher noise." gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > ISO SensitivityISO 100 - 6400 > Lo-1 (ISO 50) > Hi-1 (ISO 12,800) > Hi-2 (ISO 25,600) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One good thing about all this, when Pentax finally gets around to a FF DSLR, the price should be reasonable as the market keeps falling for these. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina Bruce Walker wrote: >On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Rob Studdert wrote: >> >>>The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >>>http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/ D600.html >> >> Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger >> boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. > >The complaints are already coming in though. Check out DP Review to see some real whining. Unbelievable. Even worse than Pentax Forums. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Walker wrote: >On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Rob Studdert wrote: >> >>>The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >>>http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html >> >> Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger >> boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. > >The complaints are already coming in though. Check out DP Review to see some real whining. Unbelievable. Even worse than Pentax Forums. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/13/2012 8:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. The complaints are already coming in though. David "Strobist" Hobby is puzzled by why they left off the PC sync jack, but says the 1/200th sync speed is a dealbreaker for him. He feels Nikon has ignored the lighting enthusiast crowd completely. Says he'll go with a used D700 as his next backup camera. A preview I read says to think of the D600 as a FF D7000 (ie prosumer). So yeah, they'll sell boatloads, but it will be to people who just want the magic of the FF buzzword, but for no good actual reason. The lack of a PC sync connector is easily remidied by an add on, and you know I don't remember when I read a Strobist post where he was still using physical sync cords, and not pocket wizards so I'm not sure why he feels so betrayed. This looks like the camera a lot of wedding pros and portraitists will be using. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/13/2012 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. This is a Sony A99 Killer. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Rob Studdert wrote: > >>The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >>http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html > > Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger > boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. The complaints are already coming in though. David "Strobist" Hobby is puzzled by why they left off the PC sync jack, but says the 1/200th sync speed is a dealbreaker for him. He feels Nikon has ignored the lighting enthusiast crowd completely. Says he'll go with a used D700 as his next backup camera. A preview I read says to think of the D600 as a FF D7000 (ie prosumer). So yeah, they'll sell boatloads, but it will be to people who just want the magic of the FF buzzword, but for no good actual reason. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13 September 2012 22:32, Mark Roberts wrote: > Rob Studdert wrote: > >>The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >>http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html > > Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger > boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. Nah, this 24x36mm frame size just won't get traction :) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rob Studdert wrote: >The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, >http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Wow. As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", they're "gonna need a bigger boat" ... to haul all the D600s they're going to be selling. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 13 September 2012 01:07, Darren Addy wrote: > >> There are also different market segments. There are people who can and >> will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will >> pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in >> terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K >> for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from >> servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take >> care of their "bread and butter" class of customer. > > The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, > http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html > > Full frame is coming down and will continue until there is very little > dollar difference between the two formats. Very interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing how it rates on DxOmark. It looks like it has the potential to seriously outperform the K-5 in low light. It's also a lot more affordable than the D800, and with fewer, larger, pixels, it has the potential for performing very well in low light. It says: Flash Sync SpeedUp to 1/200 sec. Synchronizes with shutter at 1/250s or slower Why do they list two different speeds for flash synchronization? It only brackets up to two frames. Under sensitivity it says: ISO SensitivityISO 100 - 6400 Lo-1 (ISO 50) Hi-1 (ISO 12,800) Hi-2 (ISO 25,600) What do they mean by "expanded ISO sensitivity"? Do they just multiply the data by two rather than adjusting the analog gain in the circuits? Related question, how does the K-5 handle its extended ISO range? Is it in analog circuitry or just in math? I could be very tempted by this camera. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13 September 2012 01:07, Darren Addy wrote: > There are also different market segments. There are people who can and > will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will > pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in > terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K > for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from > servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take > care of their "bread and butter" class of customer. The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Full frame is coming down and will continue until there is very little dollar difference between the two formats. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ah, but that's just it. Pentax hasn't make any surprise announcements at any previous show for quite some time,. In fact I can't remember the last time they did something like that but it must have been when I was still selling cameras retail, (which was a very long time ago). I expect we've see all of Pentax's announcements until after Christmas. I could be wrong but that's when they announced the then ground breaking, (and yes it was at the time), K10D, and IIRC the K20D as well. In your case you're not running what is billed as and I quote "...the Most Popular and Fastest Updated Pentax Blog in the World!". So if you're predictions or mine for that matter are wrong, well we've been blowing off steam, we have made no claim to any special knowledge, just educated guesses, we've harmed no one. Ricewhine on the other hand is in that ratified strata of a**h***s sitting somewhere on the spectrum between those that get paid to screw up entire economies with flawed computer models and those who bilk old ladies out of their money running seances. On 9/12/2012 11:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the announcements have been made. My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing it. I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too far off) I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the Teacher (already leaked) I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on that one. The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a "sweet spot" for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think that is a smart move. It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying "that's OK". We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good results. There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their "bread and butter" class of customer. The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite yet ready to "come out of the oven". It also looks like Pentax has abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I would never have entered the Pentax "upgrade stream" if it hadn't been for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax tweet about "nine" press release announcements coming in the next few days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the "for sure" category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they could be for anyth
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I see what you are saying, Bruce, but I think you are overstating things a bit. There is a fundamental difference between your entry level kit being announced (with kit lens) for $679 and eventually coming down to around $500 (as they did with the K-x: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2009/9/17/pentaxkx ) and an entry level camera that is introduced at a price point right at your current flagship (the K-5 actual selling price) where people have to ask "which should I get the K-5 or the K-30?" The K-30 was announced at $879 with kit lens. I'm sure the K-30 will come down over time, but I doubt that it will ever reach the earlier entry level camera selling prices (K200D, K2000D, K-m, K-x, K-r). To do so it would have to be discounted an *extra* $200 over what the K-x was. THAT's what I'm decrying. They've give up the Good, Better, Best model in APS-C-land and now only offer the Better & Best. Removing that lower threshold entry point is going to eliminate a lot of potential Pentaxians. And I base that on the indicators given by my Pentax Dealer. Now that may simply mean that the word hasn't come down the pike yet (and I'm wondering what the heck became of the rumored multi-colored "K-z", which sounded like the successor to the K-x/K-r. Unless that was all based on someone's imagination and/or was a hoax. It sounded reasonable to me, that they would not give up that price point in the market. There are still crappy Canon and Nikon entry level models Pentax could beat performance/features-wise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren, I don't get at all how you came to the conclusion that Pentax is abandoning the entry-level market. Just based on no specific new model at Photokina? Not every product that Pentax has in the pipeline would be ready to unveil at Photokina. I'm certain we'll see more entry-level product in the coming months. The K30D *is* the K200D of its time (now). It's a powerful entry level kit that makes the starter Canikon stuff look very weak in comparison. Pentax will probably reduce its price soon to approach the $500-600 range. (When I bought my K100D Super in 2007 it was over $800 with the 18-55/50-200 combo.) On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to > wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the > announcements have been made. > My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. > > I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was > shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing > it. > I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal > length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too > far off) > I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the > Teacher (already leaked) > I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I > hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on > that one. > > The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans > anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a > 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is > extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in > an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a > "sweet spot" for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax > succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more > with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to > be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest > APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no > one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think > that is a smart move. > > It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only > megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying "that's > OK". We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across > a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at > higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good > results. > > There are also different market segments. There are people who can and > will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will > pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in > terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K > for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from > servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take > care of their "bread and butter" class of customer. > > The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are > the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) > there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised > that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite > yet ready to "come out of the oven". It also looks like Pentax has > abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I > would never have entered the Pentax "upgrade stream" if it hadn't been > for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I > think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is > still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer > seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. > > Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and > that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony > is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone > else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't > announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax >> tweet about "nine" press release announcements coming in the next few >> days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product >> announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. >> >> I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the "for >> sure" category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they >> could be for anything from flash to accessory to lens to camera). >> >> If I were placing odds I would put them in the following order (from >> most likely to least likely) >> >> The Pentax K to Q adapter shown at CPP+ >> A new flash unit >> Pentax 645Dii >> The "DA High Magnification Zoom lens" on the roadmap for 2012 (t
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the announcements have been made. My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing it. I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too far off) I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the Teacher (already leaked) I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on that one. The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a "sweet spot" for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think that is a smart move. It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying "that's OK". We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good results. There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their "bread and butter" class of customer. The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite yet ready to "come out of the oven". It also looks like Pentax has abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I would never have entered the Pentax "upgrade stream" if it hadn't been for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax > tweet about "nine" press release announcements coming in the next few > days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product > announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. > > I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the "for > sure" category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they > could be for anything from flash to accessory to lens to camera). > > If I were placing odds I would put them in the following order (from > most likely to least likely) > > The Pentax K to Q adapter shown at CPP+ > A new flash unit > Pentax 645Dii > The "DA High Magnification Zoom lens" on the roadmap for 2012 (this > language sounds a lot like the lens on the X-5 bridge camera, only to > cover an APS-C image circle, so I'm guessing a 16-250mm superzoom) > A fast wide lens for the Q... a 5mm f1.8 would be perfect. > A K-mount module for the Ricoh GXR (sells more lenses to another > installed base)* > A K-z entry level (I have my doubts about this even happening... I > think Pentax is abandoning the low-entry DSLR arena, but I think that > would be a mistake) > > *does this count as a Pentax announcement? Is the Pentax booth > combined with Ricoh at Photokina this year? > > I think the one thing that Pentax may do that will surprise some > people is to make more cameras with/without the anti-aliasing filter > (ala Nikon D800/D800E) giving people the choice of which they want. > The Pentax Q has no anti-alias f
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before, Photokina
From: Miserere I've been told that it's because Pentax doesn't want me using my M mount glass, they want me to buy new lenses. I likely will if they ever offer the lenses I want to buy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with you vis a vis Pentax, mostly, but I'd still hardly consider Nikon to be more backward compatible than Pentax. The fact that their top level cameras can meter most series of their older lenses wide open doesn't excuse building lenses and cameras that can actually damage each other when ostensibly compatible. Maybe ass-backwards compatible would be the correct way of looking at it. On 9/9/2012 11:25 AM, Miserere wrote: P.J., I don't want to get into a fight about this. I won't consider Pentax the KBC (King of Backwards Compatibility) until they uncripple their mount (either physically or through software). They could do it but, like Seinfeld, choose not to. When companies act this way it pisses me off. I've been told that it's because Pentax doesn't want me using my M mount glass, they want me to buy new lenses. I would be fine with this statement (I do understand good business practice) if we had a thorough DA lens line up, but I own a few non-A mount lenses that Pentax doesn't make in DA mount, and I have to use them with the green button or wide open. Just *my* opinion, mind you; I'm not trying to convince anyone. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 September 2012 20:55, P. J. Alling wrote: On 9/7/2012 3:07 PM, Miserere wrote: On 7 September 2012 14:13, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. —M. Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to produce K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably not be imagined to come true, you know. I'd say Pentax is the *Queen* of compatibility; Nikon is the King. But yes, most things related to Pentax are hard to imagine, even if they do actually happen. You forget that Nikon built an entire series of lenses that would cause damage to either the lens, camera or both it mounted on the wrong series camera body. The only time Pentax even came close to that was back in the screw mount era, (pre-Spotmatic), and even then it was only one lens IIRC. Sure the aperture simulator is gone but at least no Pentax produced K mount lens will damage any Pentax manufactured K mount body or vice versa. —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ill second that. IF they come out with a top line FF body, they should uncripple the lensmount at the same time to enable the full power of their superb vintage FF lenses. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina P.J., I don't want to get into a fight about this. I won't consider Pentax the KBC (King of Backwards Compatibility) until they uncripple their mount (either physically or through software). They could do it but, like Seinfeld, choose not to. When companies act this way it pisses me off. I've been told that it's because Pentax doesn't want me using my M mount glass, they want me to buy new lenses. I would be fine with this statement (I do understand good business practice) if we had a thorough DA lens line up, but I own a few non-A mount lenses that Pentax doesn't make in DA mount, and I have to use them with the green button or wide open. Just *my* opinion, mind you; I'm not trying to convince anyone. Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 September 2012 20:55, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 9/7/2012 3:07 PM, Miserere wrote: >> >> On 7 September 2012 14:13, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: >>>> >>>> Boris, >>>> >>>> It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus >>>> design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. >>>> >>>> >>>> -M. >>> >>> >>> Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to >>> produce >>> K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably >>> not >>> be imagined to come true, you know. >> >> I'd say Pentax is the *Queen* of compatibility; Nikon is the King. But >> yes, most things related to Pentax are hard to imagine, even if they >> do actually happen. > > > You forget that Nikon built an entire series of lenses that would cause > damage to either the lens, camera or both it mounted on the wrong series > camera body. The only time Pentax even came close to that was back in the > screw mount era, (pre-Spotmatic), and even then it was only one lens IIRC. > Sure the aperture simulator is gone but at least no Pentax produced K mount > lens will damage any Pentax manufactured K mount body or vice versa. > > >> >> -M. >> >> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >> >> http://EnticingTheLight.com >> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >> > > > -- > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a > lengthly search. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P.J., I don't want to get into a fight about this. I won't consider Pentax the KBC (King of Backwards Compatibility) until they uncripple their mount (either physically or through software). They could do it but, like Seinfeld, choose not to. When companies act this way it pisses me off. I've been told that it's because Pentax doesn't want me using my M mount glass, they want me to buy new lenses. I would be fine with this statement (I do understand good business practice) if we had a thorough DA lens line up, but I own a few non-A mount lenses that Pentax doesn't make in DA mount, and I have to use them with the green button or wide open. Just *my* opinion, mind you; I'm not trying to convince anyone. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 September 2012 20:55, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 9/7/2012 3:07 PM, Miserere wrote: >> >> On 7 September 2012 14:13, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. —M. >>> >>> >>> Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to >>> produce >>> K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably >>> not >>> be imagined to come true, you know. >> >> I'd say Pentax is the *Queen* of compatibility; Nikon is the King. But >> yes, most things related to Pentax are hard to imagine, even if they >> do actually happen. > > > You forget that Nikon built an entire series of lenses that would cause > damage to either the lens, camera or both it mounted on the wrong series > camera body. The only time Pentax even came close to that was back in the > screw mount era, (pre-Spotmatic), and even then it was only one lens IIRC. > Sure the aperture simulator is gone but at least no Pentax produced K mount > lens will damage any Pentax manufactured K mount body or vice versa. > > >> >> —M. >> >> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >> >> http://EnticingTheLight.com >> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >> > > > -- > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a > lengthly search. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/7/2012 3:07 PM, Miserere wrote: On 7 September 2012 14:13, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. —M. Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to produce K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably not be imagined to come true, you know. I'd say Pentax is the *Queen* of compatibility; Nikon is the King. But yes, most things related to Pentax are hard to imagine, even if they do actually happen. You forget that Nikon built an entire series of lenses that would cause damage to either the lens, camera or both it mounted on the wrong series camera body. The only time Pentax even came close to that was back in the screw mount era, (pre-Spotmatic), and even then it was only one lens IIRC. Sure the aperture simulator is gone but at least no Pentax produced K mount lens will damage any Pentax manufactured K mount body or vice versa. —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7 September 2012 14:13, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: >> >> Boris, >> >> It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus >> design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. >> >> >> —M. > > > Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to produce > K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably not > be imagined to come true, you know. I'd say Pentax is the *Queen* of compatibility; Nikon is the King. But yes, most things related to Pentax are hard to imagine, even if they do actually happen. —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/7/2012 9:00 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. —M. Oh, I don't expect Pentax a.k.a. king of backward compatibility to produce K-01-only lens. That is something that can be imagined, but can probably not be imagined to come true, you know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7 September 2012 13:39, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/5/2012 6:18 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> There was the lens shown along with the K-01 that had the rear >> element that extended back into what would be the mirror box. I >> suspect we'll see that lens announced, and that it'll be around 20mm, >> f/1.8 or faster. If they can pull out a 20mm f/1, it'll have similar >> depth of field to a 30/1.4 or a 50/2.4. >> >> I'm going to throw a wild one out and say that if Pentax does >> announce a "full frame", i.e. 24x36mm sensor, it'll be mirrorless, >> like the K-01, and that the lens I described above, will work on it. > > > I've been said more than once that I have rather powerful imagination. But > you certainly have me pinned down here, Larry. I could only try to imagine > the size of the front element of the 20/1 lens that will in fact cover full > frame on K-mount camera... Boris, It would be for a mirrorless camera, so it wouldn't be a retrofocus design (thus the rear element protruding into the "mirror" box. —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Reply interspersed below. On 9/5/2012 2:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote: The Pentax K to Q adapter shown at CPP+ Well, kind of fitting, methinks. If you produce several mounts, kindly produce the necessary adapters :-). A new flash unit This one has been way way way overdue... Pentax 645Dii Given that this 645D is the flagship - they probably must at least say something here. I surely hope 645DII will be announced. The "DA High Magnification Zoom lens" on the roadmap for 2012 (this language sounds a lot like the lens on the X-5 bridge camera, only to cover an APS-C image circle, so I'm guessing a 16-250mm superzoom) Rebadged Tammy 18-270?! A fast wide lens for the Q... a 5mm f1.8 would be perfect. Well... A K-mount module for the Ricoh GXR (sells more lenses to another installed base)* I doubt that very much, Andy. I cannot imagine a K-mount module for Ricoh GXR that will provide electricity for SDM and also have screwdriver for "legacy" AF. Without AF you can already buy an M-module and K-M adapter. In fact this is almost surely on my "to get" list. I will have first to examine the EVF and see if I can reliably focus manually with it. If so, this is the likely the route I will take. I would be seriously surprised if Pentax announced follow up to K-01 that would be, well how to put, designed by a "regular, non-celebrity" camera designers. A K-z entry level (I have my doubts about this even happening... I think Pentax is abandoning the low-entry DSLR arena, but I think that would be a mistake) I think what you think may be right. *does this count as a Pentax announcement? Is the Pentax booth combined with Ricoh at Photokina this year? Is that a rhetorical question? :-) ...I think that Pentax is going to finally *announce* that they are working on a FF camera, but that it won't ship until next year. This one is tricky. It may provoke yet another wave of people to jump ship, so Pentax may have to walk very carefully here. All obviously IMVHO. And BTW, did I say Pentax ought to upgrade their flash for like gazillion years? ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/5/2012 6:18 AM, Larry Colen wrote: There was the lens shown along with the K-01 that had the rear element that extended back into what would be the mirror box. I suspect we'll see that lens announced, and that it'll be around 20mm, f/1.8 or faster. If they can pull out a 20mm f/1, it'll have similar depth of field to a 30/1.4 or a 50/2.4. I'm going to throw a wild one out and say that if Pentax does announce a "full frame", i.e. 24x36mm sensor, it'll be mirrorless, like the K-01, and that the lens I described above, will work on it. I've been said more than once that I have rather powerful imagination. But you certainly have me pinned down here, Larry. I could only try to imagine the size of the front element of the 20/1 lens that will in fact cover full frame on K-mount camera... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen wrote: >On Sep 6, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Funny thing is, I have an AF540FGZ and I'm very happy with it. It >> works beautifully for me and I have no need for anything better. I >> just know that people who are really serious about flash find a lot of >> shortcomings with the Pentax system. > >If the 540 sucked at everything, it wouldn't be nearly so frustrating. Larry, you are the Zen master of the PDML! -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 6, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Funny thing is, I have an AF540FGZ and I'm very happy with it. It > works beautifully for me and I have no need for anything better. I > just know that people who are really serious about flash find a lot of > shortcomings with the Pentax system. If the 540 sucked at everything, it wouldn't be nearly so frustrating. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Igor Roshchin wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: >> > >> >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of >> >> certainties) >> >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html >> > >> >It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The >> >possibility of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be >> >my first high dollar purchase off that list. >> >> The two areas in which I find Pentax most lags behind the competition >> are lack of a full-fram DSLR and lask of a serious flash system. It >> could be that Ricoh is taking this Pentax acquisition seriously... > >I think many would agree. (I do.) >I haven't used N's TTL flashes much (and none of C's), >but in PTTL "P" stands for "pitiful". Funny thing is, I have an AF540FGZ and I'm very happy with it. It works beautifully for me and I have no need for anything better. I just know that people who are really serious about flash find a lot of shortcomings with the Pentax system. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 6, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: >> >>> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of >>> certainties) >>> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html >> >> It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The possibility >> of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be my first high >> dollar purchase off that list. > > I'm a big Pentax fan--I own Pentax gear almost exclusively--which I > guess makes me a non-rational self-flagellating fanboi, but I would > recommend you away from a Pentax flash, new or not. > > If I had back the cash I sunk into two AF540's and an AF160, I'd buy > three or four Vivitars or other inexpensive manual flashes *and* a > van-load of modifiers. I won't bore the people here with my oft repeated litany of why the AF540 sucks the smegma from the foreskin of a syphilitic donkey, just take it as a given that I frequently find myself at odds with it. If, rather than get it to do what I want, I just let it do what it wants, then it will often put out something resembling useful amounts of light at a more or less convenient time. And while I can often get what I want by setting the camera to what I want and letting the AF540 do its own thing, I also often want a simple manual flash, with a good range of control, and no preflash. In theory the AF540 will do this, but in practice, no matter how often I set it to Manual, it will at some time of its own choosing, set itself back to P-TTL. I've sent it in for repair at least three times, for both this and a broken hot shoe mount. It is my birthday, allow me for a day or two, the pleasant fantasy that Pentax can design and build a flash that is more likely to do what I ask than it is to fight me every step of the way. > > Or: I'd buy two Alien Bees B1600's and a Vagabond portable battery to run 'em. I've been very happy with my White Lightnings. I have been ecstatic with Paul C Buff's customer service. I was recently given some very nifty light modifiers that work with the profoto flashes. Unfortunately, they are exactly too big to fit on my white lightning. So, the other day I cut down a bit of ABS end cap, drilled some holes in it and made an adapter so I could fit the PF light modifiers on the WL. It worked wonderfully. Until the modeling light melted the ABS. Oh well, time to come up with a plan B > > Pentax will never catch up to Nikon's system, and even if they do, > it's way too expensive and underpowered for what you get. I use these > gadgets because it's what I have and I can't afford new stuff, but I'm > so much wiser now. > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thu Sep 6 15:32:34 EDT 2012 Bruce Walker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > > > >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of > >> certainties) > >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html > > > > It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The > > possibility of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely > > be my first high dollar purchase off that list. > > I'm a big Pentax fan--I own Pentax gear almost exclusively--which I > guess makes me a non-rational self-flagellating fanboi, but I would > recommend you away from a Pentax flash, new or not. > > If I had back the cash I sunk into two AF540's and an AF160, I'd buy > three or four Vivitars or other inexpensive manual flashes *and* a > van-load of modifiers. > I find Metz 58 (I have af-1) - considerably better and more flexible than AF540. Two main reasons: 1. It works reasonably well in "A" mode. 2. It has the secondary smaller flash in front that is useful for the situations when you bouncing light off the ceiling. I haven't used all capabilities of that flash, but these features are useful. I only wish I could switch the modes (PTTL <--> A) via a slider/button, as opposed to the menu, and that different modes would keep their settings (say, for the small front secondary flash) separately. ... yet, P(itiful)TTY says it all. Igor Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not sure I totally agree on Pentax flash. I've used a 540 and a 360 controlled remotely from a K-7. I also shoot with Nikon. The Pentax flash is certainly not as flexible or extensive as the Nikon, but it's way ahead of most of the others. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > Thu Sep 6 15:20:49 EDT 2012 > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: >> > >> >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of >> >> certainties) >> >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html >> > >> >It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The >> >possibility of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be >> >my first high dollar purchase off that list. >> >> The two areas in which I find Pentax most lags behind the competition >> are lack of a full-fram DSLR and lask of a serious flash system. It >> could be that Ricoh is taking this Pentax acquisition seriously... > > I think many would agree. (I do.) > I haven't used N's TTL flashes much (and none of C's), > but in PTTL "P" stands for "pitiful". > > I'd add to that: high-quality AF (speed and accuracy together). > Some photographers (and especially on PDML) don't care for that much > but it is important. (Cf. some PDMLers don't care for the flash.) > > Igor > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thu Sep 6 15:20:49 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: > Larry Colen wrote: > > >On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > > > >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of > >> certainties) > >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html > > > >It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The > >possibility of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be > >my first high dollar purchase off that list. > > The two areas in which I find Pentax most lags behind the competition > are lack of a full-fram DSLR and lask of a serious flash system. It > could be that Ricoh is taking this Pentax acquisition seriously... I think many would agree. (I do.) I haven't used N's TTL flashes much (and none of C's), but in PTTL "P" stands for "pitiful". I'd add to that: high-quality AF (speed and accuracy together). Some photographers (and especially on PDML) don't care for that much but it is important. (Cf. some PDMLers don't care for the flash.) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of certainties) >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html > > It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The possibility > of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be my first high > dollar purchase off that list. I'm a big Pentax fan--I own Pentax gear almost exclusively--which I guess makes me a non-rational self-flagellating fanboi, but I would recommend you away from a Pentax flash, new or not. If I had back the cash I sunk into two AF540's and an AF160, I'd buy three or four Vivitars or other inexpensive manual flashes *and* a van-load of modifiers. Or: I'd buy two Alien Bees B1600's and a Vagabond portable battery to run 'em. Pentax will never catch up to Nikon's system, and even if they do, it's way too expensive and underpowered for what you get. I use these gadgets because it's what I have and I can't afford new stuff, but I'm so much wiser now. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen wrote: >On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > >> This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of certainties) >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html > >It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The possibility >of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be my first high >dollar purchase off that list. The two areas in which I find Pentax most lags behind the competition are lack of a full-fram DSLR and lask of a serious flash system. It could be that Ricoh is taking this Pentax acquisition seriously... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of certainties) > http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html It will be interesting to see how close he is to the truth. The possibility of a new Pentax flash is very exciting, and would likely be my first high dollar purchase off that list. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not really a Photokeener, but I hope ricecake's right about many of these. I'm starting to save up for the K-3 already. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > This morning Ricehigh posted HIS list of guesses (with degree of certainties) > http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-9-things-that-pentax-is-to-be.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thu Sep 6 11:05:29 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: > Igor Roshchin wrote: > > >Steven Desjardins wrote: > > > >>Maybe it's only coming to Australia. > > > >And that camera will have to be held upside-down. > > ...which is a small price to pay for being able to shoot summertime > pictures in December! But you can get a frostbite from that camera in July (but no Christmas!). Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Igor Roshchin wrote: >Steven Desjardins wrote: > >>Maybe it's only coming to Australia. > >And that camera will have to be held upside-down. ...which is a small price to pay for being able to shoot summertime pictures in December! -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And that camera will have to be held upside-down. :-) Igor Wed Sep 5 14:35:58 EDT 2012 Steven Desjardins wrote: Maybe it's only coming to Australia. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, John Francis wrote: > >>> I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted >>> by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. >>> >> That was the impression I got, too. >> >> I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time >> somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such >> a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating >> anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as >> definite information as he would have Tanya believe. > > I don't know what's in the water down under, but they're still drinking it: > http://photorumors.com/2012/09/05/pentax-australia-good-things-are-coming/ > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 09:32:09PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: > > Wouldn't that depend on whether whatever Tanya is showing is worth > looking at? I'd trim that to just the last eight words ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts Darren Addy wrote: Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not going to happen - this September anyway. There is another possibility, that I am starting to think might have some credence. Oh yeah. I think all the "leaks" I've seen this year (with the exception of Tanya's) have appeared not a moment before Pentax wanted them to. They seem to have really tightened things down in this regard. I'm assuming thay know no one will pay any attention to Tanya Wouldn't that depend on whether whatever Tanya is showing is worth looking at? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Francis On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:37:07PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting John Sessoms : I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. That was the impression I got, too. I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as definite information as he would have Tanya believe. I don't doubt Tanya on this, but I had got the impression she was actually shown some piece of equipment. That may be my mistake. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren Addy wrote: >>> Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and >>> threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not >>> going to happen - this September anyway. > >There is another possibility, that I am starting to think might have >some credence. Oh yeah. I think all the "leaks" I've seen this year (with the exception of Tanya's) have appeared not a moment before Pentax wanted them to. They seem to have really tightened things down in this regard. I'm assuming thay know no one will pay any attention to Tanya -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>> Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and >> threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not >> going to happen - this September anyway. There is another possibility, that I am starting to think might have some credence. The leaks have been "hiding in plain sight" all along. In other words, the PF "April Fools" joke was an unauthorized leak by Pentax Forums, but they got away with it because they released it on April 1 and then played it off as if it were a joke. That page contains an "Update" that ends with " Despite this, we do hope to have the pleasure of making this announcement for real at some point in the near future!" http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html If you go back and look at the time line of the rumors, you'll find that Tanya's info was right around the same time that others started leaking more info about a FF K-3 (in June 2012). Part of the info at that time stated that Sony and Pentax have an agreement that gives Sony's A99 (a 24.3MP FF) 6 months lead time in the market. The A99 is supposed to be officially announced on Sept. 12 and being sold in stores by October (in time for the 2012 holiday shopping season). Such an agreement would make Pentax miss that shopping season, and would have them shipping in the Spring of 2013. (Unclear when they would be free to announce it, however.) Other rumors stated that a new grip and flash would be introduced along with a new FF kit lens that would start at 28mm. Certainly a flurry of stuff all related to a new FF camera could result in a lot of simultaneous press releases. The two things that have the "ring of truth" to them (to me) are: Sony requiring a 6 mo. lead time (and a full holiday shopping season advantage) to themselves, before letting Pentax market the same sensor. "The World's Smallest Full Frame" (the purported tagline) sounds exactly like something that would come from Pentax's lame marketing department (or whoever they hire for that stuff). The reason for no new leaks is partly because the accurate info has been out there for quite a while. That would make more recent news that the K-3 is a APS-C camera a deliberate misdirect (and I'm not sure what good that does anybody other than make the roar bigger when it turns out to be a FF)? Just trying to think of all the possibilities. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 5, 2012, at 11:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Brian Walters >> Quoting John Sessoms : >> >>> >>> I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so >>> strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would >>> expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. >>> >>> NDAs for vaporware suck. >> >> >> >> I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted by >> someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. >> >> Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and >> threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not >> going to happen - this September anyway. >> >> > > That might make sense. It's full frame, but for the 110 format. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Matthew Hunt wrote: >On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, John Francis wrote: > >>> I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted >>> by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. >>> >> That was the impression I got, too. >> >> I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time >> somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such >> a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating >> anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as >> definite information as he would have Tanya believe. > >I don't know what's in the water down under, but they're still drinking it: >http://photorumors.com/2012/09/05/pentax-australia-good-things-are-coming/ Tanya said it was more than a hint: She was at a convention of some sort, IIRC, when one of the heads of marketing from Pentax Australia told her explicitly. http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-May/315084.html I'm surprised a link to her email in the PDML archives hasn't been making the rounds with the rumors. At any rate, we won't have long to wait to find out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe it's only coming to Australia. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, John Francis wrote: > >>> I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted >>> by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. >>> >> That was the impression I got, too. >> >> I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time >> somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such >> a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating >> anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as >> definite information as he would have Tanya believe. > > I don't know what's in the water down under, but they're still drinking it: > http://photorumors.com/2012/09/05/pentax-australia-good-things-are-coming/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Brian Walters Quoting John Sessoms : I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. NDAs for vaporware suck. I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not going to happen - this September anyway. That might make sense. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, John Francis wrote: >> I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted >> by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. >> > That was the impression I got, too. > > I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time > somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such > a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating > anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as > definite information as he would have Tanya believe. I don't know what's in the water down under, but they're still drinking it: http://photorumors.com/2012/09/05/pentax-australia-good-things-are-coming/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:37:07PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: > > Quoting John Sessoms : > > > > >I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so > >strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would > >expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. > > I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted > by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. > That was the impression I got, too. I pretty much discounted it - this was by no means the first time somebody in the distribution chain has assured users such-and-such a lens/body/whatever was coming. I'm sure Tanya wasn't exaggerating anything, but I doubt if her 'inside source' had anywhere near as definite information as he would have Tanya believe. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > Comments? Your conjecture? Last Photokina thread before Photokina! I'll go out on a limb and say 67D :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting John Sessoms : I want to know what the hell Tanya was shown that made her hint so strongly about "FF" & "September". The way she worded it, I would expect she must at least have seen a functioning prototype. NDAs for vaporware suck. I don't think Tan actually saw anything but it was strongly hinted by someone 'in the know' that a full frame was coming. Unless Ricoh/Pentax have been maintaining abnormally good secrecy and threatening dire consequences to any 'leakers', it looks like it's not going to happen - this September anyway. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 4, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> > > > There was the lens shown along with the K-01 that had the rear element that > extended back into what would be the mirror box. I suspect we'll see that > lens announced, and that it'll be around 20mm, f/1.8 or faster. If they can > pull out a 20mm f/1, it'll have similar depth of field to a 30/1.4 or a > 50/2.4. > > I'm going to throw a wild one out and say that if Pentax does announce a > "full frame", i.e. 24x36mm sensor, it'll be mirrorless, like the K-01, and > that the lens I described above, will work on it. > I like SLRs, now DSLRs. I don't want to give up the mirror + optical viewfinder for an electronic viewfinder or arms-length live view. If by some remote chance you are right for a change, I will be in the market for another K-5 and will probably save many dollars compared to buying a full-frame. I also will not eat my hat - one PDMLer sacrifice of the haberdashery type is sufficient - but I will buy you a beer the next time our paths cross. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 4, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > > > Comments? Your conjecture? Last Photokina thread before Photokina! There was the lens shown along with the K-01 that had the rear element that extended back into what would be the mirror box. I suspect we'll see that lens announced, and that it'll be around 20mm, f/1.8 or faster. If they can pull out a 20mm f/1, it'll have similar depth of field to a 30/1.4 or a 50/2.4. I'm going to throw a wild one out and say that if Pentax does announce a "full frame", i.e. 24x36mm sensor, it'll be mirrorless, like the K-01, and that the lens I described above, will work on it. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren, I don't usually try to predict things like that. I suspect that 16-250mm is not going to happen. Pentax had 18-250 made by Tamron, which they abandoned (I don't know why, - it's a reasonable lens. I have it, and use it as the main travel zoom). So, my guess would be that if Pentax had a "super zoom", it would not go into the wider area, but would be either 18-270 or 18-200 (like those of Tamron and Sigma). It might also be another formula 18-250 or something that goes more into the longer end (e.g. 28-350, etc.) Igor Tue Sep 4 19:39:02 EDT 2012 Darren Addy wrote: > The "DA High Magnification Zoom lens" on the roadmap for 2012 (this > language sounds a lot like the lens on the X-5 bridge camera, only to > cover an APS-C image circle, so I'm guessing a 16-250mm superzoom) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Q to K adapter that retains AF with SDM lenses. One would HOPE that there is something special about the "official" adapter, but if it is going to have any kind of AF capabilities it is going to have to go with a camera that has bigger/better batteries (or else have an on-adapter battery system). No way can the existing Q handle any add'l drainage on it's poor battery. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Q to K adapter that retains AF with SDM lenses. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > >> Comments? Your conjecture? Last Photokina thread before Photokina! > > Can we please have the 1.4x SDM teleconverter? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > Comments? Your conjecture? Last Photokina thread before Photokina! Can we please have the 1.4x SDM teleconverter? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
