Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
the menu.opml file shows it's modified date as today so i guess it's downloaded? Also the backup file has changed. Where would i find the new menu option? perhaps I am just missing it. I've maxed the buffer fullness and will keep an eye on the log mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > the menu.opml file shows it's modified date as today so i guess it's > downloaded? Also the backup file has changed. > > Where would i find the new menu option? perhaps I am just missing it. > > I've maxed the buffer fullness and will keep an eye on the log It should be Radio -> BBcIplayer -> Recent Tracks This is just after the "Listen Live (non-UK)" I think he menu.opml is read each time BBCiPlayer menu is picked so you may need to go back to top level Player menu. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
actually the date created for both files is 9/11 which is i guess when i installed v1.5.2 so perhaps it's downloading the wrong file? mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > actually the date created for both files is 9/11 which is i guess when i > installed v1.5.2 so perhaps it's downloading the wrong file? Cut & paste - I put in the wrong URL in the message it is now corrected to below http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/menu-recent.opml bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
got it now cool feature mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
would it be possible to use the musicbrainz ID to link to the spotify app or even the artist name? > Description: Song: Dis Generation Artist : A Tribe Called Quest Played > at: Tue Nov 15 12:09:00 + 2016* Musicbrainz > :9689aa5a-4471-4fb4-9721-07cecda0fa9f* Just seems like that's be a great addition mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > would it be possible to use the musicbrainz ID to link to the spotify > app or even the artist name? > Just seems like that's be a great addition It's possible to link - just not sure what the UI would be useful or even should look like (i.e. SB3, WebUI, Touch/radio) and then how much effort should be expended only to be used by very few people. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
understood. Log is showing long chunk fetch time every couple of minutes but no re-buffering > > [16-11-15 12:44:19.5922] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1359 ms > [16-11-15 12:47:44.4227] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 815 ms > [16-11-15 12:48:48.1096] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127201] Status=596 Reason: An existing connection was > forcibly closed by the remote host. Fetch time 19215 ms > [16-11-15 12:48:58.9902] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127202] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 23988 ms > [16-11-15 12:49:05.2095] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127203] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24002 ms > [16-11-15 12:49:07.0074] > Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (359) Unable > to get players from SN: Couldn't resolve IP address for: > www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 900 seconds > [16-11-15 12:49:11.2513] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127202] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 12198 ms > [16-11-15 12:49:12.5379] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127201] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24019 ms > [16-11-15 12:49:12.7154] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 7193 ms > [16-11-15 12:54:45.6223] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127257] Status=596 Reason: An existing connection was > forcibly closed by the remote host. Fetch time 19204 ms > [16-11-15 12:54:56.6548] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127258] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24009 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:02.7964] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127259] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24006 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:07.0157] > Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (359) Unable > to get players from SN: Couldn't resolve IP address for: > www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 900 seconds > [16-11-15 12:55:09.6592] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127257] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24020 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:20.9697] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127258] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24017 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:27.0486] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127259] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24032 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:33.9243] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127257] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24017 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:45.3636] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127258] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24030 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:46.4704] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127257] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 12154 ms > [16-11-15 12:55:46.4972] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231127259] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 19088 ms > [16-11-15 12:58:00.1941] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1732 m mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Your long packet times coincide with "Unable to get players from SN: Couldn't resolve IP address for: www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 900 seconds" which means you have a general network connection or DNS problem and the long delay packets (effectively lost) are collateral damage. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > the menu.opml file shows it's modified date as today so i guess it's > downloaded? Also the backup file has changed. > > Where would i find the new menu option? perhaps I am just missing it. > > I've maxed the buffer fullness and will keep an eye on the log It worked for me, just below 'Listen Live (Non UK). I'm not sure I'll use this feature very often, but I guess it's nice to have. A shame there's no Radio 4 entry. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 16.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 16.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > It worked for me, just below 'Listen Live (Non UK). > > I'm not sure I'll use this feature very often, but I guess it's nice to > have. A shame there's no Radio 4 entry. Whenever I looked Radio 4 tracks are always empty - you can create your own menu entry with *bbc_radio_fourfm* instead of say *bbc_radio_two* to check it out. Similarly I didn't see any detail in a few regional I tested - didn't bother with local station. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Yes. If you don't have many messages in the log about long packet > response times and your system/LAN isn't stressed by many TCP > connections per sec needed to stream - then there is no reason but I > would expect all users to eventually migrate. > > However if BBC changes their site - updates will only be applied to > latest version of the plugin i.e. 1.5.2 or later. > > The BBCiPlayerExtra 1.9.5 works with 1.4.7 and later. BPA, I think I might try the 1.5.2 beta test on my Mac after all. Can I just check a few things? Currently I have BBC iPlayer v1.4.9, and BBC iPlayer Extras v1.9.3. In the Additional Repositories I have http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins/repo.xml and http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml My settings for BBC iPlayer are ... 21515 Two questions. Is everything I've noted correct? How do I install the beta test? +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2016-11-17 at 17.17.58.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21515| +---+ whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Currently I have BBC iPlayer v1.4.9, and BBC iPlayer Extras v1.9.3. In > the Additional Repositories I have > http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins/repo.xml and > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml AFAIK The "herger.net" repository is M. Herger personal repository and should have nothing to do with BBCiPlayer but it is not in my control. I don't use it nor test against it. The bpaplugins/report-short.xml is my repository for latest released BBCiPlayer with DASH and BBCiPlayerExtra plugins. > Is everything I've noted correct? The whole point to 1.4.x was to use DASH. Your LIve stream setting doesn't use DASH. If you are happy with HLS and have no rebuffering there is no point in going to a 1.5 beta test. At this stage with 1.5.* I want user to actually use DASH for LIve (probably because they have rebuffering problems with any 1.4.* live streams) and reporting back whether they still have problems. There are a few small issues with 1.5.2 and so there will be at least one more update of 1.5.x before it is out of beta test. Your on demand settings do not include FlashAAC which may cause some BBCiPlayerExtra program not to play. I suggest the following settings. Live DASH > HLS > FlashAAC > MP3. OnDemand DASH > HLS > FlashAAC If you have Touch, Radio etc. with a colour display and like program images - you could uncheck the "Always display station Icon" > How do I install the beta test? Replace the "repo-short.xml" repository in Plugins tab by the URL below and click Apply * http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml* LMS should then show new versions of the BBC plugins as being available and proceed to enable. To roll back to 1.4.X - Uncheck the BBCiPlayer plugins in Plugins tab, click Apply and then replace the "betarelease-repo.xml" URL in Plugins by the "repo-short.xml" URL. It is possible you may need to delete the BBCiplayer prefs as well. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Thanks Bpa, I'll sort it out at the weekend and report back. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Listening to BBC Sports, Radio 4 and Radio 2 this morning the web gui connection time has been alternating between correct reading and an accumulating reading in the range 410963:12:45. Alternates randomly about every 5 - 15 seconds. Haven't noticed this behaviour before but only changed from Windows Server a couple of days ago. iPlayer set to default DASH>HLS>MP3>FlashAAC and playing DASH streams without problem. LMS: Raspberry Pi 3B Picore 3.02 Server/Analog Player LAN Player: Squeezelite on Windows 10 PC with ARCAM rPAC DAC. Homeplug Player: Raspberry Pi 2B Picore 3.02 Player/Topping VX2 DAC/Amp. Wifi UPnP Players: Revo SuperConnect, 2 x Chromecast Audio, 1 x Chromecast Video. ian_heys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ian_heys wrote: > In the range 410963:12:45. Alternates randomly about every 5 - 15 > seconds. This isn't causing me a problem but I've worked out that is referencing 1st January 1970 and that this is apparently "Unix Time". It is only appearing on my Windows connected USB DAC using a WASAPI driver other players are fine. LMS: Raspberry Pi 3B Picore 3.02 Server/Analog Player LAN Player: Squeezelite on Windows 10 PC with ARCAM rPAC DAC. Homeplug Player: Raspberry Pi 2B Picore 3.02 Player/Topping VX2 DAC/Amp. Wifi UPnP Players: Revo SuperConnect, 2 x Chromecast Audio, 1 x Chromecast Video. ian_heys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ian_heys wrote: > This isn't causing me a problem but I've worked out that is referencing > 1st January 1970 and that this is apparently "Unix Time". It is only > appearing on my Windows connected USB DAC using a WASAPI driver other > players are fine. The BBCiPLayer plugin does nothing with display of elapsed time of live streams - that is all LMS. The plugin will add text after title with "delay" and a number - is this changing ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
It doesn't happen on HLS or MP3 streams. I only posted as a note bpa. The plugin is working fine. I've never used the "Skip Back 15 minutes" before but it seems to be working fine. 21526 +---+ |Filename: Epoch.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21526| +---+ LMS: Raspberry Pi 3B Picore 3.02 Server/Analog Player LAN Player: Squeezelite on Windows 10 PC with ARCAM rPAC DAC. Homeplug Player: Raspberry Pi 2B Picore 3.02 Player/Topping VX2 DAC/Amp. Wifi UPnP Players: Revo SuperConnect, 2 x Chromecast Audio, 1 x Chromecast Video. ian_heys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I've had a further think, Bpa, and for now I'll continue with iPlayer 1.4.9 and Extras 1.9.3 (despite the fact I have your "report-short" repository in the Additional Repositories slot, Extras hasn't been updated to 1.9.5: should it?). I've changed the settings for Live (actually has to be this way around: DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC) and In Demand as you instructed. I don't think I've seen clear instructions anywhere for what these settings should be in various circumstances, so I was never quite sure what they ought to be. I'll install 1.5.x when it comes out of beta. Thanks for all your help with this, Bpa. bpa wrote: > AFAIK The "herger.net" repository is M. Herger personal repository and > should have nothing to do with BBCiPlayer but it is not in my control. I > don't use it nor test against it. > > The bpaplugins/report-short.xml is my repository for latest released > BBCiPlayer with DASH and BBCiPlayerExtra plugins. > > > > The whole point to 1.4.x was to use DASH. Your LIve stream setting > doesn't use DASH. If you are happy with HLS and have no rebuffering > there is no point in going to a 1.5 beta test. At this stage with 1.5.* > I want user to actually use DASH for LIve (probably because they have > rebuffering problems with any 1.4.* live streams) and reporting back > whether they still have problems. There are a few small issues with > 1.5.2 and so there will be at least one more update of 1.5.x before it > is out of beta test. > > Your on demand settings do not include FlashAAC which may cause some > BBCiPlayerExtra program not to play. > > I suggest the following settings. > Live DASH > HLS > FlashAAC > MP3. > OnDemand DASH > HLS > FlashAAC > > If you have Touch, Radio etc. with a colour display and like program > images - you could uncheck the "Always display station Icon" > > > Replace the "repo-short.xml" repository in Plugins tab by the URL below > and click Apply > * > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml* > LMS should then show new versions of the BBC plugins as being available > and proceed to enable. > > To roll back to 1.4.X - Uncheck the BBCiPlayer plugins in Plugins tab, > click Apply and then replace the "betarelease-repo.xml" URL in Plugins > by the "repo-short.xml" URL. It is possible you may need to delete the > BBCiplayer prefs as well. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > I've had a further think, Bpa, and for now I'll continue with iPlayer > 1.4.9 and Extras 1.9.3 (despite the fact I have your "report-short" > repository in the Additional Repositories slot, Extras hasn't been > updated to 1.9.5: should it?).[/quota] > > Extras has been updated for 2 small issues. > 1. Fix for some programs (possibly only R2) only played a message "this > competition is closed" > 2. Fix to buf which limited list of iPlayer programs under a title or > category to only about 30 when more are actually available. > > > > > I've changed the settings for Live (actually has to be this way around: > > DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC) and In Demand as you instructed. I don't > > think I've seen clear instructions anywhere for what these settings > > should be in various circumstances, so I was never quite sure what they > > ought to be.> > > IIRC The setting was part of BBCiPlayer 1.2.* (possibly earlier) when > users wanted auto fallback between different formats as BBC played > fast and loose with availability of programs in different formats and > qualities. Previously the Plugin settings only support player a > single format. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Thanks Bpa. I've fiddled with a few settings for On demand, because there's nothing exactly as you suggested. This could be a coincidence, but I'm now getting "Playlist Empty" when I try to connect to some shows On Demand. To see if it is indeed coincidence and the Beeb are up to something, before I try other stuff, could someone check to see if they can play Radio 2's Sounds Of The 60s for 19th Nov? That's one I'm getting "Playlist Empty" when I try to connect On Demand. (I'm in the UK.) bpa wrote: > Extras has been updated for 2 small issues. > 1. Fix for some programs (possibly only R2) only played a message "this > competition is closed" > 2. Fix to buf which limited list of iPlayer programs under a title or > category to only about 30 when more are actually available. > > Unless you use the beta repo it won't be updated. I'm not sure but I > think there is a small tweak to 1.9.4 to work better with 1.5.* so I'm > playing safe. > > > IIRC The setting was part of BBCiPlayer 1.2.* (possibly earlier) when > users wanted auto fallback between different formats as BBC played fast > and loose with availability of programs in different formats and > qualities. Previously the Plugin settings only support player a single > format. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > ... could someone check to see if they can play Radio 2's Sounds Of The > 60s for 19th Nov? Plays fine for me using both my Windows and QNAP installations of LMS. I'm in the UK. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Thanks Bpa. > > I've fiddled with a few settings for On demand, because there's nothing > exactly as you suggested. Probably because I showed 1.5.* - I don't have 1.4.* online. > This could be a coincidence, but I'm now getting "Playlist Empty" when I > try to connect to some shows On Demand. To see if it is indeed > coincidence and the Beeb are up to something, before I try other stuff, > could someone check to see if they can play Radio 2's Sounds Of The 60s > for 19th Nov? That's one I'm getting "Playlist Empty" when I try to > connect On Demand. (I'm in the UK.) Unlikely to be coincidence. Please be more exact about settings and how you play programs. Give details of problem settings and how you tried to play the program. R2 19th Nov can be played via BBciPlayer Extra or via BBCiPlayer. For example, If it is via VBBCiPlayerExtra then it can be access through at least 3 menus each of which have a differernt source and so could each have a different problem. The BBCiPlayerExtra uses unofficial fields from BBC Browser based player which only support DASH and Flash AAC - so if your BBCiPlayer OnDemand does not have FlashAAC or DASH - you will get nothing. Also if you have checked the BBCiPlayerExtra box to exclude DASH and you do not have FlashAAC - then no program will be played. So when you modify the settings without understanding what is implied - it is very easy to make it impossible for BBCiPlayer to play a program. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Interesting. I didn't know I could get On Demand through BBCiPlayer. I've always used Extras for that. Anyway, I just tried BBCiPlayer as follows: BBCiPlayer>BBC Radio 2>Saturday>08:05 Sounds Of The 60s, and that does play the show. So at least I know I can use that successfully. I was trying (the route I've always used) BBCiPlayerExtras>Radio 2 A-Z>S programs>Sounds Of The 60s>Sounds of the 60s 19/11/16, and that still gives "Playlist Empty". My current settings are: BBCiPlayer Live: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC On Demand: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC BBCiPlayer Extras Select if you do not want DASH streams: unchecked bpa wrote: > Probably because I showed 1.5.* - I don't have 1.4.* online. > > > Unlikely to be coincidence. > > Please be more exact about settings and how you play programs. Give > details of problem settings and how you tried to play the program. > > R2 19th Nov can be played via BBciPlayer Extra or via BBCiPlayer. > For example, If it is via VBBCiPlayerExtra then it can be access through > at least 3 menus each of which have a differernt source and so could > each have a different problem. The BBCiPlayerExtra uses unofficial > fields from BBC Browser based player which only support DASH and Flash > AAC - so if your BBCiPlayer OnDemand does not have FlashAAC or DASH - > you will get nothing. Also if you have checked the BBCiPlayerExtra box > to exclude DASH and you do not have FlashAAC - then no program will be > played. > > So when you modify the settings without understanding what is implied - > it is very easy to make it impossible for BBCiPlayer to play a program. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Interesting. I didn't know I could get On Demand through BBCiPlayer. > I've always used Extras for that. > > Anyway, I just tried BBCiPlayer as follows: BBCiPlayer>BBC Radio > 2>Saturday>08:05 Sounds Of The 60s, and that does play the show. So at > least I know I can use that successfully. > > I was trying (the route I've always used) BBCiPlayerExtras>Radio 2 A-Z>S > programs>Sounds Of The 60s>Sounds of the 60s 19/11/16, and that still > gives "Playlist Empty". > > My current settings are: > > BBCiPlayer > Live: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC > On Demand: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC > > BBCiPlayer Extras > Select if you do not want DASH streams: unchecked Just tried this and working fine for me first track is "Last train to Clarksville" same settings Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Interesting. I didn't know I could get On Demand through BBCiPlayer. > I've always used Extras for that. Last 7 days only. BBciPlayerExtra gets access to all of iPlayer programs. > Anyway, I just tried BBCiPlayer as follows: BBCiPlayer>BBC Radio > 2>Saturday>08:05 Sounds Of The 60s, and that does play the show. So at > least I know I can use that successfully. > > I was trying (the route I've always used) BBCiPlayerExtras>Radio 2 A-Z>S > programs>Sounds Of The 60s>Sounds of the 60s 19/11/16, and that still > gives "Playlist Empty". > > My current settings are: > > BBCiPlayer > Live: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC > On Demand: DASH/HLS/MP3/FlashAAC > > BBCiPlayer Extras > Select if you do not want DASH streams: unchecked Setting look OK - must be one of the small changes I made. I'll have to test later. Workaround - use BBCiPlayer > Radio 2 > Sounds of the 60s - it's ok for last 7 days progs. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Bpa, interesting that man in a van (post 74 above, also in UK) is successful with my iPlayerExtras route. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Bpa, interesting that man in a van (post 74 above, also in UK) is > successful with my iPlayerExtras route. You are posting on the beta thread so "Man in a Van" is probably using the latest Extra 1.9.5 which has a few small changes. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > You are posting on the beta thread so "Man in a Van" is probably using > the latest Extra 1.9.5 which has a few small changes. das ist richtig ;) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Indeed yes, sorry. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Apologies as I'm coming a bit late to this thread but I installed 1.5.2 a couple of days ago and it's been working a treat via squeezelite, both on my Linux desktop and my piCorePlayer. But last night I was listening to 4Extra live streaming on my Boom which is the first time I've used it since going to 1.5.2 and I was getting very short drop outs in the audio. I've just search through this thread and I can't see anyone mentioning the Boom, other than in the first announcement. Has anyone tried it on a Boom and have you had any issues? Or am I investigating new ground here? TIA http://about.me/tallpaul Intel i5 2.8GHz, 4 core, 8GB, Ubuntu 14.04LTS SBS 7.7.5 - 1416570306 Players: 'piCore' (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home), Boom, 'SqueezePlayer' (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer), plus squeezelite clients on house PCs tallpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
tallpaul wrote: > Apologies as I'm coming a bit late to this thread but I installed 1.5.2 > a couple of days ago and it's been working a treat via squeezelite, both > on my Linux desktop and my piCorePlayer. But last night I was listening > to 4Extra live streaming on my Boom which is the first time I've used it > since going to 1.5.2 and I was getting very short drop outs in the > audio. > > I've just search through this thread and I can't see anyone mentioning > the Boom, other than in the first announcement. Has anyone tried it on a > Boom and have you had any issues? Or am I investigating new ground here? > TIA I use a Receiver and from a transcoding point of view there's no difference between the Boom and any other squeezebox that needs transcoding. Are you using wifi or wired with the Boom? I used a Boom for a while a couple of years ago and I had to use it wired, the wifi was awful. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
tallpaul wrote: > Apologies as I'm coming a bit late to this thread but I installed 1.5.2 > a couple of days ago and it's been working a treat via squeezelite, both > on my Linux desktop and my piCorePlayer. But last night I was listening > to 4Extra live streaming on my Boom which is the first time I've used it > since going to 1.5.2 and I was getting very short drop outs in the > audio. > > I've just search through this thread and I can't see anyone mentioning > the Boom, other than in the first announcement. Has anyone tried it on a > Boom and have you had any issues? Or am I investigating new ground here? > TIA Running a Boom here, no problems, R4LW atm. > > Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1477086729 @ Mon > Oct 31 04:38:27 UTC 2016 > Hostname: raspberrypi > ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
tallpaul wrote: > Apologies as I'm coming a bit late to this thread but I installed 1.5.2 > a couple of days ago and it's been working a treat via squeezelite, both > on my Linux desktop and my piCorePlayer. But last night I was listening > to 4Extra live streaming on my Boom which is the first time I've used it > since going to 1.5.2 and I was getting very short drop outs in the > audio. > > I've just search through this thread and I can't see anyone mentioning > the Boom, other than in the first announcement. Has anyone tried it on a > Boom and have you had any issues? Or am I investigating new ground here? > TIA I play R4 all the time on Boom - so there is no Boom specific issues except perhaps the generaL wifi one - is the Boom wired ? The should be no difference between R4Extra and any other station. At busy time BBC/CDN can be slow to deliver packet sometimes as long as 30 secs. Please be more descriptive on "drop out" - is it a pause where no audio is lost but silence is inserted or is it where audio is lost and replaced by silence ? Did "rebuffering" appear in the display ? Any messages in the log file corresponding to same time as drop outs ? What are your BBCiPlayer Live preference settings ? Are you in the UK ? What is LMS processor and LMS version ? What time did this happen ? Have you changed any BBCiPlayer setting ? Did you migrate from 1.4.* or a clean new 1.5.2 installation ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I play R4 all the time on Boom - so there is no Boom specific issues > except perhaps the generaL wifi one - is the Boom wired ? > The should be no difference between R4Extra and any other station. > > At busy time BBC/CDN can be slow to deliver packet sometimes as long as > 30 secs. > > Please be more descriptive on "drop out" - is it a pause where no audio > is lost but silence is inserted or is it where audio is lost and > replaced by silence ? > Did "rebuffering" appear in the display ? > Any messages in the log file corresponding to same time as drop outs ? > > What are your BBCiPlayer Live preference settings ? > Are you in the UK ? > What time did this happen ? > Have you changed any BBCiPlayer setting ? > Did you migrate from 1.4.* or a clean new 1.5.2 installation ? > > Also the general advice - disable the plugin uPNP/DLNA Media interface > in case of DLNA storms > > edit: > My LMS system which I use most of the time is similar to yoru LMS - i5 > Ubuntu 14.04. Ok so I have only just installed this beta version after being directed to this thread to resolve an issue I had with iplayer extra. With the live stream delay set to 2mins this seems to have resolved the breaks/ rebuffering issues I had with v 1.4.9. Playing through Booms I was getting an instant start but after about 20 seconds I would have a break of sometimes up to 60 sec before resuming ( no loss of audio). This happened at least twice before the feed stabilised and would then play all day... The only slight issue that I have now is that when using iplayer extra the program image is not displayed either against the track in Web control or on my phone using Squeeze Ctrl. Image displays in Iplayer and all other music - just not in extra. Not an major issue but for completeness would be nice. BPA - Thanks for continuing to keep both iplayer and extra working - so that we can all still use LMS to it full - much appreciated. John Jed1-62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jed1-62 wrote: > Ok so I have only just installed this beta version after being directed > to this thread to resolve an issue I had with iplayer extra. > > With the live stream delay set to 2mins this seems to have resolved the > breaks/ rebuffering issues I had with v 1.4.9. Playing through Booms I > was getting an instant start but after about 20 seconds I would have a > break of sometimes up to 60 sec before resuming ( no loss of audio). > This happened at least twice before the feed stabilised and would then > play all day... For completness to understand who had rebuffering with 1.4.9 and for whom 1.5.2 fixed - can you give details on your system (i.e. processor, memory ) and OS. > The only slight issue that I have now is that when using iplayer extra > the program image is not displayed either against the track in Web > control or on my phone using Squeeze Ctrl. Image displays in Iplayer and > all other music - just not in extra. Not an major issue but for > completeness would be nice. Program image still works for Extra. Track image has never worked in BBCiPllayer or BBCiPlayerExtra. BBC only store track images for the last 10 tracks on a few National live streams so really it is not usable for "Listen Again". bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > For completness to understand who had rebuffering with 1.4.9 and for > whom 1.5.2 fixed - can you give details on your system (i.e. processor, > memory ) and OS. > > > I am running LMS on an Acer Revo 3610 which has a dual core Intel Atom > 330 with 2gb Ram and running LMS 7.8.1 - 1475785403 @ Mon Oct 31 > 03:05:11 CUT 2016 on Win10. I have two Booms and a Touch that are > hardwired into my network and one boom and two radios that are via wifi > . HTH ... > > > > Program image still works for Extra. Track image has never worked in > BBCiPllayer or BBCiPlayerExtra. BBC only store track images for the > last 10 tracks on a few National live streams so really it is not usable > for "Listen Again". Just to clarify I do not get any images on Squeeze Ctrl when I use iplayer Extra- I just get the default CD case image... If I then go and select exactly the same program via the Iplayer plugin I get the program image displayed. I have " Always show station icon" unchecked. I also tried this in Squeeze Commander to ensure it was not a SqueezeCtrl issue and it is the same.. I did used to get the images in Extra , however with all the changes over the last year or so I am not sure when it actually stopped as it was a minor issue. I have clean installed LMS several times and each time I have deleted all residual files and directories. With the latest beta Iplayer I have noticed an issue - When I pause a live stream and wait for 30 seconds or so and then resume, the stream seems to jump back a random amount. Sometime it displays delayed by 1 min sometimes it displays delayed by 17 min (the highest I have had so far) If I then use forward, then it returns to approx live. I also notice a related issue when pausing a program in iplayerExtra and resuming I get a display that states delayed by mins but the program appears to carry on playing from the same place. ( last one displayed 24667677 mins delayed) Thanks John Jed1-62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jed1-62 wrote: > ... dual core Intel Atom 330 ... 4gb Ram .. Win10[\quote] > Thanks - again Windows is the common factor. Some windows configurations > seem to be more prone to the rebuffering when transcoding which usually > means older players Boom, Classic or Squeezeplay. > > > > > Just to clarify I do not get any images on Squeeze Ctrl when I use > > iplayer Extra- I just get the default CD case image... > > > OK I don't have any smartphone App but my Touch shows no image whereas > it is there on GUI. I'll check - strange as the program metadata is > fed using a common LMS interface from plugin. > > > > > With the latest beta Iplayer I have noticed an issue - When I pause a > > live stream and wait for 30 seconds or so and then resume, the stream > > seems to jump back a random amount. Sometime it displays delayed by 1 > > min sometimes it displays delayed by 17 min (the highest I have had so > > far) If I then use forward, then it returns to approx live. I also > > notice a related issue when pausing a program in iplayerExtra and > > resuming I get a display that states delayed by mins but the > > program appears to carry on playing from the same place. ( last one > > displayed 24667677 mins delayed)> > > > 1. The delay time displayed is a cosmetic issues. > 2. Handling pause is difficult with chunked http and with players > whose buffer can have between 30 secs and 3-4 minutes of audio > depending on whether stream is transcoded Flac or native AAC - plugin > only knows the time stamp of the last 6 sec chunk sent to a player. > LMS handles pauses up to about 30 secs - longer than that plugin has > to estimate how much audio user has heard without knowing wherein > buffer it paused and then ask BBC to send audio from an estimated time > but boundaries are 6 sec intervals. I have erred on going back earlier > than probable pause time. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > > Jed1-62 wrote: > > ... dual core Intel Atom 330 ... 4gb Ram .. Win10[\quote] > > Thanks - again Windows is the common factor. Some windows configurations > > seem to be more prone to the rebuffering when transcoding which usually > > means older players Boom, Classic or Squeezeplay. > > > > > > OK I don't have any smartphone App but my Touch shows no image whereas > > it is there on GUI. I'll check - strange as the program metadata is fed > > using a common LMS interface from plugin. > > > > > > > > 1. The delay time displayed is a cosmetic issues. > > 2. Handling pause is difficult with chunked http and with players whose > > buffer can have between 30 secs and 3-4 minutes of audio depending on > > whether stream is transcoded Flac or native AAC - plugin only knows the > > time stamp of the last 6 sec chunk sent to a player. LMS handles pauses > > up to about 30 secs - longer than that plugin has to estimate how much > > audio user has heard without knowing wherein buffer it paused and then > > ask BBC to send audio from an estimated time but boundaries are 6 sec > > intervals. I have erred on going back earlier than probable pause time.> > > > > > Thanks for looking at this so quickly. Just to confirm that the main > issue of rebuffering seems to be resolved and these are just minor > issues :) > > John Jed1-62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I play R4 all the time on Boom - so there is no Boom specific issues > except perhaps the generaL wifi one - is the Boom wired ? > The should be no difference between R4Extra and any other station. > Apologies for the delay in replying. OK, I've just spent 20 minutes listening to R4Extra on the Boom again (it's not a device I use much) and I didn't have any problems at all. It is connected via WiFi so, given various comments hereabouts, I think I'll have to try to run a network cable to it. bpa wrote: > > Also the general advice - disable the plugin uPNP/DLNA Media interface > in case of DLNA storms > Ah, I enabled that a while ago during a phase of playing around with uPNP/DLNA across various devices but I've not used it since. I'll turn it off. Thanks for your help, and for keeping the flame alive. http://about.me/tallpaul Server: Intel Pentium G3420 3.2GHz, 2 core, 4GB, Ubuntu 14.0.5LTS SBS 7.7.5 - 1416570306 7.7.5 Players: 'piCorePlayer' (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home), Boom, 'SqueezePlayer' (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer), plus squeezelite clients on house PCs tallpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Last 7 days only. BBciPlayerExtra gets access to all of iPlayer > programs. > Setting look OK - must be one of the small changes I made. I'll have to > test later. Workaround - use BBCiPlayer > Radio 2 > Sounds of the 60s - > it's ok for last 7 days progs. Bpa, I still can't get many shows via BBCiPlayer Extras (I'm using 1.9.3). I'm using the workaround you suggested above: in other words, go in via BBCiPlayer (I'm using 1.4.9). But I noticed this thread ... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106504-Iplayer-Extra-only-working-when-Dash-is-Disabled ... which seems to highlight the same or similar problem, and arising more or less at the same date mine did. So I tried ticking the Enable box for "do not want DASH streams" in Extras settings, as outlined in that thread. Now, indeed, shows play well via Extras. Thought I'd post this as it might help draw further conclusions. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > > > IIRC The problem is due to a change made by BBC which Extras 1.9.3 can't > handle but 1.9.5 can. When you disable DASH you get to play the Flash > version which works but IIRC is usually lower quality than DASH (I can't > test because it is a UK only thing) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > IIRC The problem is due to a change made by BBC which Extras 1.9.3 can't > handle but 1.9.5 can. When you disable DASH you get to play the Flash > version which works but IIRC is usually lower quality than DASH (I can't > test because it is a UK only thing) Can I use 1.9.5 with 1.4.9? I'm guessing not, as it hasn't updated automatically. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
whitman wrote: > Can I use 1.9.5 with 1.4.9? I'm guessing not, as it hasn't updated > automatically. Sorry I'm not sure - the changes to 1.95 were small and I've got tied up with other things (a small one line update that has snowballed) that I didn't test it. I didn't want to put 1.9.5 on general release as that would cause an automatic update and possibly trigger many postings worse than what I'm dealing with now.. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Sorry I'm not sure - the changes to 1.95 were small and I've got tied up > with other things (a small one line update that has snowballed) that I > didn't test it. I didn't want to put 1.9.5 on general release as that > would cause an automatic update and possibly trigger many postings worse > than what I'm dealing with now.. No prob bpa, I'd rather you concentrate on the important stuff. I can wait. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I have the latest plugins installed and changed my LMS settings (2 screen grabs attached). Both Live and On Demand streams work, but the stream format shows as AAC not DASH (3rd screen grab). Is this correct? How will I know when I have the correct stream? As always, many thanks for your superb support to the Squeezebox community. +---+ |Filename: CaptureC.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21661| +---+ rabbit's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13742 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
rabbit wrote: > I have the latest plugins installed and changed my LMS settings (2 > screen grabs attached). Both Live and On Demand streams work, but the > stream format shows as AAC not DASH (3rd screen grab). Is this correct? > How will I know when I have the correct stream? There are two parts to an audio stream. 1. The transport mechanism or protocols - how to endcoded audio data is delivered from the source 2. The encoding of the audio data - the codec. For BBC there are multiple transport protocols available - http, DASH, HLS (for Apple), Flash (RTMP), HDS. These are not audio encoding formats. The BBC uses AAC encoding for all the above transports except for http shoutcast streams which are MP3 except for the HD http stream for R3 which is AAC over http. So AAC is what you should see when playing BBC DASH & HLS streams except when you are playing the lesser quality shoutcast. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
So I've been at home a bit this week and performance has been mixed. As i was getting repeated DNS issues I've swapped out my BT homehub for a better router. I noticed that often when iplayer dropped out i also lost a load of other internet services like dropbox so there was something of a wider network problem going on. Since changing the router I no longer get the problems with other internet connectivity just with iplayer. I get the following error before a dropout: > [16-12-07 17:37:27.8270] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426906] Status=596 Reason: An existing connection was > forcibly closed by the remote host. Fetch time 19205 ms > [16-12-07 17:37:31.8109] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426907] Status=596 Reason: An existing connection was > forcibly closed by the remote host. Fetch time 19220 ms > [16-12-07 17:37:38.9368] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426908] Status=596 Reason: An existing connection was > forcibly closed by the remote host. Fetch time 19220 ms > [16-12-07 17:37:47.0069] > Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (359) Unable > to get players from SN: Couldn't resolve IP address for: > www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 86400 seconds > [16-12-07 17:37:52.0325] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426906] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24018 ms > [16-12-07 17:37:55.8520] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426907] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24010 ms > [16-12-07 17:38:02.9866] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error > fetching [231426908] Status=595 Reason: No such device or address Fetch > time 24018 ms > [16-12-07 17:38:11.3616] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 19234 ms > [16-12-07 17:38:12.4501] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 9241 ms > [16-12-07 17:38:15.1196] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) > status 200 Long chunk fetch time 19235 ms This is with a synced touch and duet playing 6 music. Sometimes it just re-buffers for a few seconds, sometimes it just gives up altogether. I guess this is pointing back to the problem being with windows 10 running on an older machine and causing issues mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > I guess this is pointing back to the problem being with windows 10 > running on an older machine and causing issues AFAICT This is not a WIndows 10 BBCiPlayer plugin issue - all the errors show no response from BBC to request for audio but in the middle of the iPlayer errors is the error. > Unable to get players from SN: Couldn't resolve IP address for: > www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 86400 seconds. This indicates it is not an BBCiPlayer issue but a general LMS issue and more likely a system issue. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
> Couldn't resolve IP address for: www.mysqueezebox.com, retrying in 86400 > seconds Retrying in a day !!! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > Retrying in a day !!! I think LMS does a backoff approach to retries with each failed attempt it waits a bit longer. IIRC First backoff is 60 sec which means there has been many many attempts to contact mysqueeznetwork.com and each one has failed. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi bpa The loss of other services seemed to happen 2 or 3 times a day. It doesn't occur alongside anything else obvious but I do work almost entirely off dropbox dealing with large CAD and video files. My theory is that the DNS demands on the homehub are too high, hence the change of router. A quick look at the log shows that the mysqueezebox.com error occurs about 8-10 times a day, including at just after midnight last night when other network traffic will have been very low. My server is configured with a static IP. I've upped the delay time in iplayer to 3 min and will see how that goes. Most of the time the long chunk fetch times add up to about 1 minute in total before a re-buffer occurs, maybe this is making the cache 'catch up' with the encoding problems that you have identified with systems like mine. mrmichaelwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
mrmichaelwright wrote: > Hi bpa > > The loss of other services seemed to happen 2 or 3 times a day. It > doesn't occur alongside anything else obvious but I do work almost > entirely off dropbox dealing with large CAD and video files. My theory > is that the DNS demands on the homehub are too high, hence the change of > router. > > A quick look at the log shows that the mysqueezebox.com error occurs > about 8-10 times a day, including at just after midnight last night when > other network traffic will have been very low. > > My server is configured with a static IP. > > I've upped the delay time in iplayer to 3 min and will see how that > goes. Most of the time the long chunk fetch times add up to about 1 > minute in total before a re-buffer occurs, maybe this is making the > cache 'catch up' with the encoding problems that you have identified > with systems like mine. * Fiddling around with the BBCiPlayer plugin settings will do nothing to solve this issue. Changing the delay time only changes when in the time stream the plugin fetches buffer it does not change how many buffers or timeouts - in fact it could create a more intense burst of requests. The "delay" parameterrs is to fix a problem withgin in10 dealing with transcoding. No system details given but you may even be doing transcoding so delay change would have no effect then. * The 1.5.* changes meant that DASH stream only do one (1) DNS lookup as long (multiple HTTP request are sent within a persistent TCP connection) as there is a good connection to source. * Since messages occur in the night when nothing is happening shows the problem is systemic. * the other application which do not show errors - have you enablde logging on those applications or so they not show these errors to users ? This is a systemic problem you need to tackle the problem - not the symptoms. The BBCiPlayerplugin highlighted a problem which was already there (i.e. Unable to get players from SN message) by actively logging. You need to determine is your problem (i) local to a single PC the LMS server or (ii) does it happen for all on your LAN ? If it affects all devices - then work on devices closer to the ISP - router / modem etc. If DNS on the router is the problem. Disable the DNS server on the router and configure using DHCP to tell device to talk to real DNS server directly. For a small number of PC/players this may be best since you eliminate an extra step in processing. If you are not using DHCP configure PC locally to use DNS directly. If your LAN is IPv4 only - make sure devices are not wasting time doing IPV6 DNS lookups bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I think LMS does a backoff approach to retries with each failed attempt > it waits a bit longer. IIRC First backoff is 60 sec which means there > has been many many attempts to contact mysqueeznetwork.com and each one > has failed. Bit excessive though, wouldn't you agree ? *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > Bit excessive though, wouldn't you agree ? No - perhaps a user has turned off the router while away but left all other system on -also LMS was created in the days of slow connections and pay per bit so developers were asked to keep overheads down and SN connection wasn't as important as it is now with Touch devices and some streaming servicesetc.. IIRC with email - the delivery attempt intervals can go out to months ! With SMS it can also go out to days - never wondered why an SMS message suddenly appeared a day or two after it was sent ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
> No - perhaps a user has turned off the router while away but left all > other system on -also LMS was created in the days of slow connections > and pay per bit so developers were asked to keep overheads down and SN > connection wasn't as important as it is now with Touch devices and some > streaming servicesetc.. Yes I see that does sound reasonable, but maybe its time for a change to LMS. *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > Yes I see that does sound reasonable, but maybe its time for a change to > LMS. > > Anyway its a bit off topic so we can leave it there. > > BTW Been trying 1.5.2 for a couple of days, no problems at all so far. Yep - it's a minro point. If user needs to access SN it will happen immediately - no loss of function . IIRC this message refers to LMS asking SN which of the user's players are currently on SN. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I thought SN was some abbreviation for DNS server, but bpa's last post makes it clear it isn't. So please, what does SN stand for in this context? (I doubt it's Serial Number.) Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Owen Smith wrote: > I thought SN was some abbreviation for DNS server, but bpa's last post > makes it clear it isn't. So please, what does SN stand for in this > context? (I doubt it's Serial Number.) SqueezeNetwork (mysqueezebox.com) Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Paul Webster wrote: > SqueezeNetwork (mysqueezebox.com) Thanks. I've never heard it called SqueezeNetwork before and it seems a strange name. I'd ask what aspect makes it a network and not a server, but that's rather off topic for this thread. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Owen Smith wrote: > Thanks. I've never heard it called SqueezeNetwork before and it seems a > strange name. I'd ask what aspect makes it a network and not a server, > but that's rather off topic for this thread. In the beginning I think Slimdevices operated their own nertwork of servers before it was moved to AWS. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I installed 1.5.2 yesterday on our Linux (Debian) SBS version 7.5, from repo " http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml ". We're in the UK and use a major UK ISP. 1.5.2 isn't working for me, tested using our SB Touch. Two symptoms are: (i) The playing title, on both the Touch and on an open PC window using the port 9000 'web' UI says: "BBC Radio 4 - 23 mins delay" (ii) There are delays in connection, and on buffering and rebuffering. On connection, the station logo comes up quite quickly but there's a delay of several seconds before the audio starts; meanwhile, the '23 mins delay' text gets added to the playing title. Once started, the audio plays for only a very few seconds before the Touch indicates 'buffering' - with its counter staying at 0%. After quite a while, the audio suddenly starts but again only lasts a very few seconds before rebuffering which - as often as not - fails and the Touch announces a buffering failure. Sometimes, the audio will subsequently restart. I did make a note of the URL as reported on the left hand pane of the Web UI: "URL: iplayer://live?hls=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8&dash=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.mpd&icon=http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_radio_fourfm/600x600.png&radiovis=fm/ce1/c204/09320&onair=bbc_radio_fourfm"; The as-shipped 'Intenet Radio' system in SBS seems to work fine, picking up Radio 4 at 128 kbps, and Radio 3 at 320 kbps. SBS, and the Touch, each use static IPs; they have worked with earlier versions of iPlayer, and they work fine with the music library. I've set Iplayer 1.5.2 to use "DASH>HLS>MP3>Flash AAC" and "Use highest bitate available DASH steam" for 'live' and 'on demand'. Seconds to delay start live stream is set to 15, and buffer fullness threshold is set to 255. Since first noticing this behaviour, I wondered whether the SBS system, or the Touch, was using an alternate (standby) uplink and DNS server, and I've rechecked those and reset the Touch DNS resolver to use a faster DNS service. The symptoms didn't change, though. If anyone has any thoughts about what may be happening here, I' be interested to see them. In the meantime, I'll continue with some more tests. Regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I think LMS maybe too old as 7.5 is very very old. Your descirption of previous use is very confusing (128kbps MP3 , R3 320 is probably AAC) but then you mention iPlayer - did you use BBCiPlayer or not and did you have proiblemn befroe with BBCiPlayer plugin ? Something very strange is happening with your system. What sort of processor and memory on LSM server ? Change delay to "no delay". bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I think LMS maybe too old as 7.5 is very very old. > > I wondered, but BBCiPlayer 1.3.x seemed to work. If, indeed, that turns out to be the case, do you recall how or whether I could return to BBCPlayer 1.3.x*, which I think I had before this update? bpa wrote: > > > Your descirption of previous use is very confusing (128kbps MP3 , R3 320 > is probably AAC) but then you mention iPlayer - did you use BBCiPlayer > or not and did you have proiblemn befroe with BBCiPlayer plugin ? > > bpa, apologies for the confusion. We have (and had) two ways of playing BBC audio on our SBS. The 1st is the SBS as shipped by Logitech, which comes with an Internet Radio menu with entries such as 'local', 'world', etc. Using that, selecting 'World', then 'National', then 'BBC R4', gives us a Radio 4 live steam at 128kbps - I didn't notice the coding. Similarly, that system provides BBC R3 at 320 kbps, and I did notice that was AAC. I mention this test only to show that SBS, and the Touch, seem to be operating fine with our network LAN and with our connectivity. The 2nd method we used to listen to BBC was using the BBCiPlayer plug-in, as created by Triode and with additional work-arounds and development by yourself. Until this upgrade to 1.5.2, we used v 1.3.something - it may have been 1.3.3 but I'm not sure and it isn't there now - but there was an asterisk by the last digit, eg 1.3.3*. I installed it around September or October this year, I think, following some work-around advice you kindly offered the community when the BBC switched to HLS and DASH. Those were the two methods I confusingly described, sorry about that. The Logitech-supplied system works, and I think uses opml.radiotime, if I was able to catch that correctly as it fleetingly passed the screen. The previous BBCiPlayer plug-in version 1.3.something also worked, but did not have the 'DASH>HLS>MP3' choices - it only had 'HLS>MP3>Flash' (?). I had been following your recent advice to another user in the General Discussion forum, and I had the impression that we should be using the newer version, and we should be using DASH, so I set up the repository and installed it. My problem is with the BBCiPlayer v 1.5.2 that I installed yesterday. after deciding to update to it. > Something very strange is happening with your system. > What sort of processor and memory on LSM server ? > Change delay to "no delay". > Does Touch play AAC natively as per LMS Filetype settings ? I agree it is strange. Have you ever seen anyone else report this '23 mins delay' text added to a title? I think the processor is Celeron something, 1GB main memory. I'd be a bit surprised if the SBS was struggling - it isn't doing anything else. The file format entry for AAC reads: AAC - Native FLAC - faad/flac MP3 - faad/lame PCM - faad There is no bitrate limiting on the Touch I'll try a test wih 'no delay' and report back. > > What is this "alternate standby link and DNS server" - do you have a > strange network setup ? > DNS is not an issue so no need to play around - please set everything > back to default (messing around with Touch DNS may be asking for > trouble) > We only have multiple uplinks. The alternate uplink is Satellite (SATCOM bidirectional) and its network latency is appalling. On transactions requiring multiple, sequential DNS lookups, the delays caused by DNS alone can be a couple of seconds and we find this is usually sufficient to knock over any real-time services. We try to make sure that time-sensitive equipments and applications only transact over our terrestrial uplink, including (of course) any DNS queries they make. I checked the Touch specifically for this, this morning, and noticed that, though its gateway setting was on the terrestrial uplink, its DNS resolver was using the standby Satellite system. It was a configuration entry that I made when first setting up the Touch to use a manually-entered static IP - I entered the wrong resolver address - and I realised I should have used our main resolver, and I've corrected it. I haven't altered the Touch's DNS mechanism, at all; merely told it the correct place to go to resolve domain addresses. bpa, thank you very much for thinking about this. I think it is strange. That you do, as well, suggests to me that perhaps there haven't previously been any reports of this strange addition to the playing title "23 mins delay". Regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Atlantic wrote: > I wondered, but BBCiPlayer 1.3.x seemed to work. If, indeed, that turns > out to be the case, do you recall how or whether I could return to > BBCPlayer 1.3.x*, which I think I had before this update? I'll study the rest of the note later (I see the mention of satellite links which is a big warning sign) but the HLS code in 1.5.* is unchanged. To return to HLS make sure it is fiurst in the list and make sure no DASH. There is something very strange - the only way to get a delay of 23 min on a live stream is to select to jump back in time. If you are doing somehting odd like saving favorites and not playing from BBCiPlayer menu - please say so. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Pausing a stream causes the effect you're seeing, the minutes next to the title increment by 1 for every minute paused. It possibly happens for other reasons, not sure. +---+ |Filename: Pic03.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21736| +---+ kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
kidstypike wrote: > Pausing a stream causes the effect you're seeing, the minutes next to > the title increment by 1 for every minute paused. > > It possibly happens for other reasons, not sure. To see a 23 min delay the user will have to had pressed paused and waited for 23 mins - I don't think the OP has pressed pause. I think the jump back to a time is more likely but OP has not said anything about that so somehting very odd is going on possibly the time reference source is being messed up by satellite link. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Atlantic wrote: > On transactions requiring multiple, sequential DNS lookups, the delays > caused by DNS alone can be a couple of seconds and we find this is > usually sufficient to knock over any real-time services. We try to make > sure that time-sensitive equipments and applications only transact over > our terrestrial uplink, including (of course) any DNS queries they make. > The following is an explanation why I think DNS should not be the main source of your issue even with your satellite links. First a general comment about SB player - When and SB player (e.g. Touch) plays any stream (http/MP3, http/AAC, HLS or DASH) using a local LMS - the DNS lookup will be done by LMS - the Touch will be told to play a stream from a numeric IP address. The BBCiplayer does all the data comms with BBC - the SB player willbe told to play a stream (i.e. again a numeric IP address) and the source will be the LMS server. When BBCiPlayer is playing HLS streams - a DNS lookup will happen for each 6 sec chunk. Whereas with DASH in 1.5.x using HTTP 1.2 (persistent TCP) - only one DNS lookup should happen for each live stream. With yoru DNS setup I would expect more problem with HLS rather than DASH in 1.5.* unless replies to DASH request tale a long time. This is why message in log file are important. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > The following is an explanation why I think DNS should not be the main > source of your issue even with your satellite links. > > First a general comment about SB player - When and SB player (e.g. > Touch) plays any stream (http/MP3, http/AAC, HLS or DASH) using a local > LMS - the DNS lookup will be done by LMS - the Touch will be told to > play a stream from a numeric IP address. > > The BBCiplayer does all the data comms with BBC - the SB player willbe > told to play a stream (i.e. again a numeric IP address) and the source > will be the LMS server. > > When BBCiPlayer is playing HLS streams - a DNS lookup will happen for > each 6 sec chunk. Whereas with DASH in 1.5.x using HTTP 1.2 (persistent > TCP) - only one DNS lookup should happen for each live stream. With > yoru DNS setup I would expect more problem with HLS rather than DASH in > 1.5.* unless replies to DASH request tale a long time. This is why > message in log file are important. Oh, that's useful. Thanks for explaining this. You can tell I had been worried about that. For transport, the SATCOM link had been out-of-circuit anyway - but the Touch's DNS resolver had been reaching a DNS server which had resolved over the SATCOM - I've since rectified the setting in the Touch. > > To see a 23 min delay the user will have to had pressed paused and > waited for 23 mins - I don't think the OP has pressed pause. I think the > jump back to a time is more likely but OP has not said anything about > that so somehting very odd is going on possibly the time reference > source is being messed up by satellite link. Astute. Indeed, haven't used pause, nor run from favourites. But following your post I checked the time setting on the SBS server - it's 23 or 24 minutes out. I'm offsite tomorrow, so I won't get back to this until Friday. I'll have to check why it's adrift. (It isn't the SATCOM; we've several other servers and routers which receive their timing over the Satellite link, and they're fine. I think NTP must account for all sorts of circuit media.) I would think this accounts for the '23 mins delay' message; after fixing I'll see if the rebuffering also starts working. Thanks very much for such an inspired deduction.bpa, please don't trouble any further just now, let me fix this, and I'll also check the logs you asked about, and post back sometime on Friday. I would have had no idea that the time of day setting could be critical to music streaming. Grateful for the help, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Atlantic wrote: > I would have had no idea that the time of day setting could be critical > to music streaming. It's not but the way live streaming is done in DASH as implemented by BBC - each6 sec chunk is timestamped. If a user pauses the simplest way to guess how much delayed was to compare PC system clock time against timestamp of the last packet played rather than poll a network reference clock as I assumed the PC clock would be OK. I think Touch "talks " to Squeezenetwork to get some of its icons/graphics or perhaps cover art scaling etc and that is the use of DNS - not playing a audio stream. OK - having cleared away some of the distractions enable the real problem to be identified - I'll need to think about what long latency does to DASH. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi Bpa Had a rude awakening today. I have as an alarm BBCi Player Radio 6 Music set for 0730Hrs I was awoken at 0730Hrs by a very loud Radio 6 Music playing (it made me jump so much I hurt my back), I bleerily turned it down to a more reasonable level and slowly woke up. As I lay there I wondered why the expected program was not playing and that there was no 730 news, I looked at the display on my Pcp 3.02 and it said Radio 6 Music - Delayed 87 Minutes ! I am assuming for some reason that the alarm did not do its normal fade in hence the (very) rude awakening I stopped the playback and restarted but was still the same. I then stopped the playback and then played a track from my server I then restarted the R6 playback and all was fine again untill the alarm timeout. At around 0900 I pressed play on R6 again and the same thing happend delayed by 47 minutes this time. I then stopped the playback and then played a track from my server I then restarted the R6 playback and all was fine again. I checked the time on the server but all was fine BBC iPlayer V1.5.2 Code: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1483281996 @ Sun Jan 1 14:48:45 UTC 2017 Hostname: myhostsname Server IP Address: server ip address Server HTTP Port Number: 9000 Operating system: Red Hat - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.16.3 - x86_64-linux-thread-multi Audio::Scan: 0.95 Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) Total Players Recognized: 5 Code: [17-01-03 07:25:00.2520] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable (414) Client not found for slimproto msg op: STAT from 10.44.4.80 [17-01-03 07:30:02.6910] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 809 ms [17-01-03 07:30:02.6940] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 812 ms [17-01-03 08:05:04.4312] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2863 ms [17-01-03 08:05:16.6829] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2174 ms [17-01-03 08:05:21.9731] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1021 ms [17-01-03 08:05:28.7631] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1371 ms [17-01-03 08:05:35.7149] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2283 ms [17-01-03 08:19:58.7420] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1192 ms [17-01-03 08:20:05.2168] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1228 ms [17-01-03 08:20:11.7817] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1355 ms [17-01-03 08:20:17.8466] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 984 ms [17-01-03 08:20:43.5793] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1333 ms [17-01-03 09:11:39.6557] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 981 ms [17-01-03 09:11:39.7088] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1644 ms [17-01-03 09:12:53.8626] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1064 ms [17-01-03 09:19:44.7847] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2484 ms [17-01-03 09:19:51.8982] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 3157 ms [17-01-03 09:19:56.9310] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1752 ms [17-01-03 09:20:08.6506] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 7034 ms [17-01-03 09:20:10.5129] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2483 ms [17-01-03 09:20:22.4077] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1881 ms [17-01-03 09:50:39.5864] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (696) status 200 Long chunk fetch time 1633 ms *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
With Live streams each packets has an URL which contain the time of day based on a reference time. The estimated delay is a calculation using the time code of the packet against the LMS sever time as supplied by the OS. This seems to say your LMS server time setting could be wrong. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi Bpa, The time on the server is what I thought as well but as I said it was correct within 1 second, I've just rechecked:- Code: [root@myserver ~]# ntpq -crv -pn associd=0 status=0618 leap_none, sync_ntp, 1 event, no_sys_peer, version="ntpd 4.2.6p5@1.2349-o Mon Nov 14 18:25:09 UTC 2016 (1)", processor="x86_64", system="Linux/3.10.0-514.2.2.el7.x86_64", leap=00, stratum=2, precision=-24, rootdelay=0.440, rootdisp=44.401, refid=10.xx.x.249, reftime=dc164d70.42d94e2c Tue, Jan 3 2017 16:18:56.261, clock=dc164de0.fc7409bf Tue, Jan 3 2017 16:20:48.986, peer=55793, tc=9, mintc=3, offset=7.245, frequency=4.207, sys_jitter=0.000, clk_jitter=15.501, clk_wander=3.574 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == *10.xx.x.249 .PPS.1 u 111 512 3770.4407.245 15.753 10.xx.x.249 is my own Stratum 1 NTP server Code: ntpdate -d pool.ntp.org 3 Jan 16:20:52 ntpdate[15846]: ntpdate 4.2.6p5@1.2349-o Mon Nov 14 18:25:09 UTC 2016 (1) Looking for host pool.ntp.org and service ntp host found : ns1.do.steersnet.org.uk 3 Jan 16:20:58 ntpdate[15846]: adjust time server 85.199.214.98 offset -0.025557 sec This is going to be REALLY weird then ! Also while the alarm started at the correct time (0730) the program was the one that was on 87 minutes ago IE Chris Hawkins !! (I thought Chris Hawkins (0500-0700Hrs) was covering for Shaun Keavney (0700-1000Hrs) which was ok with me ! :) ) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > Also while the alarm started at the correct time (0730) the program was > the one that was on 87 minutes ago IE Chris Hawkins !! What URL is being used in the alarm to play the stream ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi Bpa, I took this from the GUI (See SS) if theres a better place let me know ! Code: iplayer://live?hls=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_6music.m3u8&dash=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/ak/bbc_6music.mpd&icon=http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_6music/600x600.png&radiovis=dab/ce1/ce15/c22b/0&onair=bbc_6music 21792 +---+ |Filename: R6.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21792| +---+ *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Nothing in the URL should initiate a delay. Had you played this url within the previous 24 hours ? If so did you delay the stream ? Did you delay any BBCiPlayer live stream stream in the previous 24 hours ? LMS caching in some cases has a long expiry and I'm wondering whether somehting is being cached. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Nothing in the URL should initiate a delay. > > Had you played this url within the previous 24 hours ? > If so did you delay the stream ? > Did you delay any BBCiPlayer live stream stream in the previous 24 hours > ? > > LMS caching in some cases has a long expiry and I'm wondering whether > somehting is being cached. Hi Bpa, I havent played this stream within 24 Hours (see "grepped" logs) I have never knowingly paused a stream. There are some (really) long "fetch times" in the log though 21793 +---+ |Filename: GrepLog.txt | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21793| +---+ *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > There are some (really) long "fetch times" in the log though Status 200 means the packet was received so the bulk of the message are receive but the dleay are long - I would expect 100-200ms. The delay is measured by noting when packet was sent and the time was received assiming OS clock is OK - the cause is the BBC or Akamai CDN. The long delays come in bursts as if there is noise on the line or BBC/Akamai servers are overloaded. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Status 200 means the packet was received so the bulk of the message are > receive but the dleay are long - I would expect 100-200ms. The delay is > measured by noting when ther equest packet was sent and the time > response was received assiming OS clock is OK - the cause is the BBC or > Akamai CDN. The long delays come in bursts as if there is noise on the > line or BBC/Akamai servers are overloaded. Hmmm OK, Thanks I'll restart the LMS this evening and see what happens tomorrow morning, hopefully the awakening will not be so rude ! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi Bpa, All seemed fine this morning and no BBCiPlayer entries in the logs. Fingers crossed, thanks for looking though! Jeff *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jeff07971 wrote: > All seemed fine this morning and no BBCiPlayer entries in the logs. Certainly odd but thanks for reporting. I "feel" it may be something to do with alarm which can do persistent retries to play a station - the plugin delay in getting packets may be clashing with the alarm retry delay. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
If I Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > If I select "always display station icon" and "on air text" then I see > track info for radio 2 and radio 6. If I then deselect "always display > station icon" I see the program image and a program description but no > track info. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Looking at the iplayer app on my phone it seems that track info is not available there either. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > Looking at the iplayer app on my phone it seems that track info is not > available there either. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Actually I just realised track info is available on the iplayer app further down the page. Maybe this is the info your new latest tracks feature uses. I 'll try it. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > Actually I just realised track info is available on the iplayer app > further down the page. Maybe this is the info your new latest tracks > feature uses. I 'll try it. The experimental track feature is described here http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test&p=867456&viewfull=1#post867456 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > The experimental track feature is described here > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test&p=867456&viewfull=1#post867456 It looks like this feature does not show track info as scrolling text in the same way as the on air text when the station logo is displayed but instead as a separate menu item. The ideal situation for me would be for the program image to be displayed but with the same on air scrolling text shown with the station logo. I guess this is impossible. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > It looks like this feature does not show track info as scrolling text in > the same way as the on air text when the station logo is displayed but > instead as a separate menu item. The ideal situation for me would be for > the program image to be displayed but with the same on air scrolling > text shown with the station logo. I guess this is impossible. It's mot impossible but (i) there is no way to sync the time of the track so at night you could be shown track info from 7pm. You can see this on BBC own Web Browser iPlayer. It gets worse if people pause/delay the track as track info is realtime so if you go back to start of program the track info will show what has recently been played but what is playing could be 3 hours earlier. (ii) there is limited space - two lines - so if all info was put up it would take ages to scroll around. (iii) It's been a few months since I posted about track info and there has been very little feedback wanting it. (iv) BBC don't scroll do they ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > It's mot impossible but > (i) there is no way to sync the time of the track so at night you could > be shown track info from 7pm. You can see this on BBC own Web Browser > iPlayer. It gets worse if people pause/delay the track as track info is > realtime so if you go back to start of program the track info will show > what has recently been played but what is playing could be 3 hours > earlier. > (ii) there is limited space - two lines - so if all info was put up it > would take ages to scroll around. > (iii) It's been a few months since I posted about track info and there > has been very little feedback wanting it. > (iv) BBC don't scroll do they ? (1) Time sync would be a problem when pausing and rewinding but if track info was only available during live playback that would be enough. (2) Most of the time only track info needs to be shown. Program description info could be shown during news breaks or other times when music is not playing. (3) I was quite happy with the on air text until I selected the program image instead of the station logo. I would not be surprised if most people are using the station logo. (4) The scrolling is on the squeezebox players not the BBC app. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > (1) Time sync would be a problem when pausing and rewinding but if track > info was only available during live playback that would be enough. > (2) Most of the time only track info needs to be shown. Program > description info could be shown during news breaks or other times when > music is not playing. > (3) I was quite happy with the on air text until I selected the program > image instead of the station logo. I would not be surprised if most > people are using the station logo. > (4) The scrolling is on the squeezebox players not the BBC app. Program and track info come from separate feeds - there is no indication of news breaks or other items being broadcast in the track feed so it is either track data or program data . Also track feeds often is not updated in late evening and night so for example in late evening you'll get track info from earlier in the evening (unless BBC has changed things since last I looked). The main issue is limited display space means a choice between program info vs track info with the caveat that track info will be wrong some of the time and if that is the case is it worthwhile. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Program and track info come from separate feeds - there is no indication > of news breaks or other items being broadcast in the track feed so it is > either track data or program data . Also track feeds often is not > updated in late evening and night so for example in late evening you'll > get track info from earlier in the evening (unless BBC has changed > things since last I looked). > > The main issue is limited display space means a choice between program > info vs track info with the caveat that track info will be wrong some of > the time and if that is the case is it worthwhile. I have installed the recent tracks menu now and it works perfectly. If I am desperate to know a song title this will do nicely. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
A couple of times most mornings Radio 2 will stop accompanied by "rebuffering 0%". 30 seconds later I see "rebuffering failed" and playback restarts. Should I try increasing the start delay? Using Linux. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > A couple of times most mornings Radio 2 will stop accompanied by > "rebuffering 0%". 30 seconds later I see "rebuffering failed" and > playback restarts. Should I try increasing the start delay? Using Linux. Start delay is really only for Windows and is only there to help the startup of the socketwrapper transcoding chain typically on low end PC systems. It will no really do anything on Linux except change the start time of the stream (i.e. the timecode of the first packet). You have a problem not getting a packet in the middle of streaming. Network loads (e.g. morning and evening) will increase packet response time. This happens to me occassionally but I'm pretty sure it is due to local WLAN (Homelink) having a bad moment. It is possible there is a [problem with stream getting ahead of the stream in the servers - if this is the case then it is a bug in the DASH implementation. Again Start time won't change this behaviour. Any messages especially 4xx (e,g. 404 not available , 403 forbidden etc.) in the log ? Following comments from BBC streaming engineer saying they see 404's being sent but I cannot reproduce this issue but I have found a possible bug. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Start delay is really only for Windows and is only there to help the > startup of the socketwrapper transcoding chain typically on low end PC > systems. It will no really do anything on Linux except change the start > time of the stream (i.e. the timecode of > > the first packet). You have a problem not getting a packet in the > middle of streaming. Network loads (e.g. morning and evening) will > increase packet response time. > > This happens to me occassionally but I'm pretty sure it is due to local > WLAN (Homelink) having a bad moment. > > It is possible there is a [problem with stream getting ahead of the > stream in the servers - if this is the case then it is a bug in the DASH > implementation. Again Start time won't change this behaviour. > Any messages especially 4xx (e,g. 404 not available , 403 forbidden > etc.) in the log ? > > Following comments from BBC streaming engineer saying they see 404's > being sent but I cannot reproduce this issue but I have found a possible > bug. In the server log I see [17-01-16 07:38:07.5845] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231961248] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 35 ms [17-01-16 07:42:23.9312] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231961288] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 27 ms [17-01-16 09:19:21.7208] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231962197] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 27 ms [17-01-16 09:46:01.2851] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231962447] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 27 ms [17-01-16 09:52:12.2261] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231962505] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 27 ms [17-01-16 10:41:03.6068] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (706) error fetching [231962963] Status=596 Reason: Connection timed out Fetch time 28 ms with the logging for plugin.bbciplayer.dash set to error. Should I set logging to debug? slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > with the logging for plugin.bbciplayer.dash set to error. Should I set > logging to debug? Debugging won't help - this means no response from CDN/BBC for a request (timeout is 30 secs). Plugin can do nothing if BBC doesn't respond except stop and try again. I get some of these and I have run parallel tests with Web browser playing DASH and Plugin and both get packet delays and timeout so it is a network/CDN/BBC issue out of plugin control. >From different user reports, the issue seem to have a regional context. BBC uses two CDNs - Akamai and Limelight. The "Listen Live" menu uses Akamai, the "Listen Live - alt CDN" uses Limelight - you don't say what menu you use. I suggest try the other menu to see if the issue is CDN related. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Debugging won't help - this means no response from CDN/BBC for a request > (timeout is 30 secs). Plugin can do nothing if BBC doesn't respond > except stop and try again. > > I get some of these and I have run parallel tests with Web browser > playing DASH and Plugin and both get packet delays and timeout so it is > a network/CDN/BBC issue out of plugin control. > > From different user reports, the issue seem to have a regional context. > BBC uses two CDNs - Akamai and Limelight. The "Listen Live" menu uses > Akamai, the "Listen Live - alt CDN" uses Limelight - you don't say what > menu you use. I suggest try the other menu to see if the issue is CDN > related. I have actually tried both CDNs with similar results unfortunately. I don't really want to revert to HLS as the skip back can be useful. slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > I have actually tried both CDNs with similar results unfortunately. I > don't really want to revert to HLS as the skip back can be useful. I've had similar problem with HLS - as both DASH and HLS are delivered by the same CDNs, server and BBC sources. Theoretically 1.5.2 should be better (lower host network & server load) as it uses HTTP 1.1 over a persistent TCP connection (i.e TCP connection is kept open for many HTTP Get) but there is a flaw in HTTP 1.1. spec where handling of timeouts is not well defined. However I don't think the problem is related to HTTP 1.1 flaw.. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I've had similar problem with HLS - as both DASH and HLS are delivered > by the same CDNs, server and BBC sources. Theoretically 1.5.2 should be > better (lower host network & server load) as it uses HTTP 1.1 over a > persistent TCP connection (i.e TCP connection is kept open for many HTTP > Get) but there is a flaw in HTTP 1.1. spec where handling of timeouts is > not well defined. However I don't think the problem is related to HTTP > 1.1 flaw.. Does the plugin "know" that playback has stopped in these circumstances? I can restart the stream manually immediately without waiting for the timeout. If the plugin could restart the stream automatically or the timeout was shorter these stoppages would be less annoying. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > Does the plugin "know" that playback has stopped in these circumstances? > I can restart the stream manually immediately without waiting for the > timeout. If the plugin could restart the stream automatically or the > timeout was shorter these stoppages would be less annoying. The plugin does knows when a timeout occurs and it should just continue after the 30 secs wait. It does not stop for me - now I understand your persistence. Strange. For reference what is your setup OS, LMS version, processor, player etc. I'll try to run some test later and see if I can reproduce. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > The plugin does knows when a timeout occurs and it should just continue > after the 30 secs wait. It does not stop for me - now I understand your > persistence. Strange. > For reference what is your setup OS, LMS version, processor, player etc. > On what do you play the stream ? What Settings are you using ? Have you > done any rewind/delay ? How is the stream started (e.g. menu or alarm ) > ? > > I'll try to run some test later and see if I can reproduce. It does restart after thirty seconds I just wondered if that timeout could be reduced. The most annoying time for the interruption is during the morning alarm period where the radio falls back to the default alarm sound after a time. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
