Re: 3400 CD Drive Freeze

[k]

>The CD Drive on my 3400 OS 8.6 is acting strange.
>
>Insert a CD and
> no sound of things whirring
> the desk top freezes
>
>At first I got a "cannot recognize do you want to initialize" box,
>but now the freezing. No matter what sort of CD I put in.
>appears.
>
>I tried a cleaning CD and it sounded like it was whirring. No effect though.

I did clean the lense on my portable cdplayer the other day after a 
hint posted in here - i think - dip a cottonstick earcleaner 
(cutips?)in plain water and dry it off until it doesnt feel at all 
weat anymore and very very carefully and light clean the lense of the 
cdplayer, a waterdrop in the wrong spot will destroy the cdplayer. 
and that worked great !
kenta


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Re: 3400 CD Drive Freeze

[Tom & Lisa P]

>The CD Drive on my 3400 OS 8.6 is acting strange.
>
>Insert a CD and
> no sound of things whirring
> the desk top freezes
>
>At first I got a "cannot recognize do you want to initialize" box,
>but now the freezing. No matter what sort of CD I put in.
>
>I wondered if maybe it had to do with external devices, but my
>SyQuest boots. Of course if there is a CD in the drive, when the SQ
>boots, nothing, the DeskTop is frozen. Release the CD and the SyQuest
>appears.
>
>I tried a cleaning CD and it sounded like it was whirring. No effect though.
>
>Advise is appreciated.
>Cliff

Could be the laser is out of tune.  While mainly for 1400, I have had 
a report of the tuning problem on a 3400, solved with advice from 
here:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/gionpeters//pb1400.htm

Mad Dog

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Re: 3400 - CD drive and floppy drive don't work

[John Smith]

Hello Dan,

I don't have a 3400, so I can't be certain, but I doubt that the cd-drive
and the HD having the same ID will really matter much. They are the same on
my 1400, and it works just fine. (Maybe because HD is ATA, and CD ATAPI??)
Did YOU install the OS on this machine? Or did it come loaded on. I might be
that someone put an incorrect system on the computer, and as such, doesn't
like the CD and Floppy drives (doesn't explain why the Zip works...)

Try Starting up the machine using a couple of different extension sets - All
On, All Off, OS 9.1 only, etc etc to see if it might be an extension
conflict.

Maybe re-set the PRAM, don't know why it would work, but it's worth a try
(hold down command-option-p-r just after you press the 'on' button).

Have you tried starting up off a CD? I realise the CD is the thing that
doesn't work, but perhaps if you plug a bootable disk in and hold 'c' down,
it will work. If so, you will probably need to re-install the system.
(I'm not sure if the 3400 needs 'c' held down during startup, or
command-option-shift-delete. If one doesn't work, try the other :-)

How do you know the SCSI works? If the machine refuses to ever know about
the CD rom drive, you can maybe plug it into another mac, and re-install the
system that way (seeing as CD/Floppy don't work).

The fact that you can open the CD drive is (I think) a good sign - at least
it has power :-)

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Re: 3400 not charging

[k]

>  >Well, I've tried all the generous suggestions to date with no luck.
>
>I've zapped the PRAM, tried a second power adapter, put in a new PRAM
>battery, reset the power manager but all with no positive results.
>Are there any other suggestions out there as to why my 3400 might not
>be charging up from the power adapter before I consign it to the
>parts bin?
>Thanks,
>Jae
>
this worked for us
even if it is ment for the 2400 / green light of death (or no light)
http://webobjects.uwaterloo.ca/mac2400/power_reset_by_sydney_ho.htm
kenta
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Re: 3400 not charging

[Jae Redfern]

>Well, I've tried all the generous suggestions to date with no luck.

I've zapped the PRAM, tried a second power adapter, put in a new PRAM 
battery, reset the power manager but all with no positive results.
Are there any other suggestions out there as to why my 3400 might not 
be charging up from the power adapter before I consign it to the 
parts bin?
Thanks,
Jae


>Zapping the PRAM SHOULD reset the Power Manager as
>well... But I wouldn't wager on it... 
>
>To be sure, unplug your Powerbook from the AC, then,
>take out the battery.  Hold the reset button on the
>back next to the Ethernet/Modem slot in for anywhere
>from 1-2 minutes (no exageration)  then let it go.
>Leave the battery out of the machine, but plug the AC
>Adapter back in.  Now push the Power Button and try to
>start it up.  (I usually zap the PRAM through about 6
>chimes at this point too.) It should chime and boot as
>normal.  Once it boots up, put the battery back in.
>This should take care of reseting the Power Manager
>for you.
>
>Beyond the Power Board, though... I wouldn't overlook
>somethign as simple as a PRAM battery.  They cause all
>kinds of wierd unexplainable power oddities when they
>get weak...  If you haven't replaced the PRAM in your
>3400, don't delay... go get your self a new one and
>put it in.  You won't be sorry.  You can pick them up
>for under $15 and if you've ever put a RAM card in
>your 3400, you can change the PRAM battery too...
>
>Cheers,
>Sionnach
>
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Re: 3400 Ethernet

[David Deckert]

>>>Is there an ethernet port on 3400? Thanks.

>>Yes.

Optional on the 3400c/180, standard thereafter

-David

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Re: 3400 phone line?

[R. P. Bell]

Um...did you get the 3400 manual and link I sent you earlier today?

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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Gerald R . Homeyer]

>Thanks Gary. It would've helped if the 3400 had come with a manual ...
>I'm a little embarrassed and very grateful. Thanks!
>Bob
>
Just obtained a 3400c myself. Go to apple's webpage and download the 
owner's manual and the tech manual in PDF format. The owner's manual 
alone is over 189 pages. I printed it out and made up a looseleaf manual. 
It's been invaluable. You can even download the designer's notes, over 
150 pages. WWW.Apple.com .Look for the legacy section. Regards. 


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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Lou Judson]

Bob, I started to send you the pdf, but it was a big email to send unrequested.

Here's a link to legacy manuals, where I got my copy:

http://www.info.apple.com/support/manuals.legacy.html

They are all there!

Lou

Bob Williams wrote:
> 
> Thanks Gary. It would've helped if the 3400 had come with a manual ...
> I'm a little embarrassed and very grateful. Thanks!
> Bob
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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Bob Williams]

Thanks Gary. It would've helped if the 3400 had come with a manual ...
I'm a little embarrassed and very grateful. Thanks!
Bob

> From: "Gary D. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PowerBooks)
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:24:37 -0600
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PowerBooks)
> Subject: Re: 3400 phone line?
> 
> the plug on the back is a combo ethernet/rjll jack. Either will fit and
> work; it's autosensing.
> 
> Gary
> 
> Bob Williams wrote:
>> I just bought a PowerBook 3400c as a backup to my old iBook. I love it
>> except I can't figure out how to plug in a phone line (System Profiler says
>> it's got an internal modem). Do I need an adapter or am I missing something
>> REALLY obvious?
>> Thanks for any help ...
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Clark Martin]

At 12:12 AM -0500 2/13/2003, Bob Williams wrote:
>I just bought a PowerBook 3400c as a backup to my old iBook. I love it
>except I can't figure out how to plug in a phone line (System Profiler says
>it's got an internal modem). Do I need an adapter or am I missing something
>REALLY obvious?


The RJ-45 connector on the back is for both Ethernet and modem.  The 
laptop originally came with an adapter cable that brought out two 
connectors.  But you can use it with either without the adapter. 
It's best to not use it with a two line phone jack (unless you use a 
single line cable, two wires only) as the second line is on the same 
pins as one of the Ethernet pairs.  Both can be used simultaneously.


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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Roger Volk]

Bob,

Their is a special adapter for the 3400, but if you do not plan to use both
the ethernet and modem at tthe same time you can hard wire either through the
rear port.

Roger

Bob Williams wrote:

> I just bought a PowerBook 3400c as a backup to my old iBook. I love it
> except I can't figure out how to plug in a phone line (System Profiler says
> it's got an internal modem). Do I need an adapter or am I missing something
> REALLY obvious?
> Thanks for any help ...
>
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Re: 3400 phone line?

[Gary D. Adams]

the plug on the back is a combo ethernet/rjll jack. Either will fit and 
work; it's autosensing.

Gary

Bob Williams wrote:
> I just bought a PowerBook 3400c as a backup to my old iBook. I love it
> except I can't figure out how to plug in a phone line (System Profiler says
> it's got an internal modem). Do I need an adapter or am I missing something
> REALLY obvious?
> Thanks for any help ...
> 
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Re: 3400 CardBus compatibility

[Fabian Fang]

On Friday, February 07, 2003, at 06:04AM, Gerald R. Homeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>After doing a Retrospect Express backup of my boot disk, I seem to have 
>lost  my Netscape bookmarks. Would someone please post the URL for the 
>article on 3400c CardBus 32 bit compatibility. The article also dealt 
>with MCE's upgrade. Thanks



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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[Andrew Kershaw]

Jim sagely penned:
>I replied the
>proper way by hitting the reply button, I had no way of knowing you had
>something weird in your address that keeps the reply from working.
and:
>Also as I look at the message I see your address is Powerbooks, I
>wonder if this could be causing the mistake? Of course you wouldn't know
>about things like addresses.

Please forgive me for butting in, but maybe you ought to learn a 
little bit about email lists and addresses yourself.

Hitting the reply button to respond to any email sent to the list 
automatically sends your new email back to the list!  In fact, I find 
it curious that you haven't noticed that email you may have supposed 
was going to Dan was getting mirrored right back to you as well...

Umm, Dan's email address is not "powerbooks."  The powerbooks address 
is the address to this list.  If you hit reply to a message posted on 
powerbooks, your new email will go right back to powerbooks, not to 
ONLY the original sender!

It is common netiquette for a poster to send an email to an entire 
list dealing with a topic (such as for sale items) that the whole 
list might find useful, but to ask interested recipients to reply 
off-list.  On-list replies to off-list requests are generally 
considered bad netiquette.

It will take you an extra second to manually type in the intended 
email address instead of blindly hitting "reply," but I think you 
will find that most listers do appreciate your extra effort.

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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[centurytel]

on 2/3/03 4:06 PM, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> First Jae wrote
> Does anyone know what type of battery the 3400/240 takes as its PRAM
> battery?
> 
> then Dan K (that's me :-) wrote:
>>> I bought a bag of new 3400 pram batteries with the idea of passing them
>>> along for a tiny profit + the cost of postage, mostly for international
> snipped sales info blather
>>> Reply __OFFLIST__ please.
> 
> Then on 2/3/03 Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I read what you said about these batteries being for 3400's.My question is
>> will they work in the 1400 and 5300 PB's as well as the 3400? If so I would
>> like to have two of them.
> 
> Firstly . . . Jim, the part where you write "If so I would like to have
> two..." is the part to which I was referring when _I_ wrote "Reply
> __OFFLIST__ please."  Thank you for your future appropriate OFFLIST
> replies!
> 
> Secondly, the 3400 PRAM battery is very different from the earlier PB
> PRAM batts and cannot be used in a 190 or 5300. The type you need is a
> pair of 3v rechargable lithium cells stacked into a little sandwich with
> a 4" or so pigtail with three wires (black, red and white) terminating in
> a small plug. The identical pack is sold for use in PBs 190/5300 and the
> Duo series and will fit directly into your 190/5300.
> 
> The PB500/1400 series PRAM batt's cells and connector are identical to
> the Duo/5300 type but the cells are arranged side-by-side instead of
> stacked. These also will work in a Duo/5300 but must have the plastic
> shrinkwrap cover removed and the cells folded together.  BTW, the
> Duo/190/5300 PRAM packs work fine in PBs 500/1400 too, split the plastic
> shrinkwrap and spread open the sandwich . . . (Hmm, not sure how to
> describe all that exactly, but I'll attempt it should anyone care to ask
> . . . : -)
> 
> Interestingly (well, to me anyway), my Hooper DVT unit (PB3400
> 'Deployment Verification Test') has 1 each of the Duo and 500 series
> style PRAM batts, the Duo type located in the usual 5300 location and the
> 500 type in the front-center of the case bottom floor under the LB. If
> you've had a production 3400 that far apart you'll see the oval
> PB500-PRAM-batt shaped spot. This unit's power board has of course two
> connectors, one for each PRAM pack, where the production item has only
> one connector.
> 
> I've wondered why Apple went with the 6 cell NiMH pack for production, my
> guess is the pair of earlier type PRAM batts weren't able to keep the
> 'Book alive during a sleeping main-battery swap.
> 
> Dan K

Hi 
For your information, since you seem concerned about this sort of thing, I
read your entire note, I saw your little note about Off List. I replied the
proper way by hitting the reply button, I had no way of knowing you had
something weird in your address that keeps the reply from working. Now I
have to ask which is worse my making a mistake or your posting this note to
the web on purpose. Before you decide to jump on someone you find how it
happened. Also as I look at the message I see your address is Powerbooks, I
wonder if this could be causing the mistake? Of course you wouldn't know
about things like addresses.
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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[Dan K]

First Jae wrote
 Does anyone know what type of battery the 3400/240 takes as its PRAM
 battery?

then Dan K (that's me :-) wrote: 
>> I bought a bag of new 3400 pram batteries with the idea of passing them
>> along for a tiny profit + the cost of postage, mostly for international
snipped sales info blather
>> Reply __OFFLIST__ please.

Then on 2/3/03 Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I read what you said about these batteries being for 3400's.My question is
>will they work in the 1400 and 5300 PB's as well as the 3400? If so I would
>like to have two of them.

Firstly . . . Jim, the part where you write "If so I would like to have 
two..." is the part to which I was referring when _I_ wrote "Reply 
__OFFLIST__ please."  Thank you for your future appropriate OFFLIST 
replies!

Secondly, the 3400 PRAM battery is very different from the earlier PB 
PRAM batts and cannot be used in a 190 or 5300. The type you need is a 
pair of 3v rechargable lithium cells stacked into a little sandwich with 
a 4" or so pigtail with three wires (black, red and white) terminating in 
a small plug. The identical pack is sold for use in PBs 190/5300 and the 
Duo series and will fit directly into your 190/5300.

The PB500/1400 series PRAM batt's cells and connector are identical to 
the Duo/5300 type but the cells are arranged side-by-side instead of 
stacked. These also will work in a Duo/5300 but must have the plastic 
shrinkwrap cover removed and the cells folded together.  BTW, the 
Duo/190/5300 PRAM packs work fine in PBs 500/1400 too, split the plastic 
shrinkwrap and spread open the sandwich . . . (Hmm, not sure how to 
describe all that exactly, but I'll attempt it should anyone care to ask 
. . . : -)

Interestingly (well, to me anyway), my Hooper DVT unit (PB3400 
'Deployment Verification Test') has 1 each of the Duo and 500 series 
style PRAM batts, the Duo type located in the usual 5300 location and the 
500 type in the front-center of the case bottom floor under the LB. If 
you've had a production 3400 that far apart you'll see the oval 
PB500-PRAM-batt shaped spot. This unit's power board has of course two 
connectors, one for each PRAM pack, where the production item has only 
one connector.

I've wondered why Apple went with the 6 cell NiMH pack for production, my 
guess is the pair of earlier type PRAM batts weren't able to keep the 
'Book alive during a sleeping main-battery swap.

Dan K

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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[centurytel]

on 2/2/03 8:42 PM, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> First Jae wrote
>>> Does anyone know what type of battery the 3400/240 takes as its PRAM
>>> battery?
>>> I can't find this information in the original user manual or the
>>> take-apart manual.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jae
> 
> then Gerald wrote:
>> Check on Ebay. There are several auctions on excellent new Varta pram
>> battery assemblies fairly cheap including install directions. The one I
>> received had the following info:
>> VARTA
>> 7.2V 60mAh
>> 6/V70H  NiMH and was purchased from Paul Erdelt. Contact at
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] .The transaction was excellent. Good luck.
> 
> I bought a bag of new 3400 pram batteries with the idea of passing them
> along for a tiny profit + the cost of postage, mostly for international
> list readers who couldn't take advantage of the original vendor's sale.
> With a bunch remaining, here's the deal - $5 each plus postage -
> international shipping $5 for any number, USA $1 each. International
> interest has priority, hey it's tough to find these things outside the
> USA!
> 
> Reply __OFFLIST__ please.
> 
> Dan K


Hi
I read what you said about these batteries being for 3400's.My question is
will they work in the 1400 and 5300 PB's as well as the 3400? If so I would
like to have two of them.
Please advise
Thanks
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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[Dan K]

First Jae wrote
>>Does anyone know what type of battery the 3400/240 takes as its PRAM battery?
>>I can't find this information in the original user manual or the 
>>take-apart manual.
>>Thanks,
>>Jae

then Gerald wrote:
>Check on Ebay. There are several auctions on excellent new Varta pram 
>battery assemblies fairly cheap including install directions. The one I 
>received had the following info: 
>VARTA
>7.2V 60mAh
>6/V70H  NiMH and was purchased from Paul Erdelt. Contact at 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .The transaction was excellent. Good luck.

I bought a bag of new 3400 pram batteries with the idea of passing them 
along for a tiny profit + the cost of postage, mostly for international 
list readers who couldn't take advantage of the original vendor's sale. 
With a bunch remaining, here's the deal - $5 each plus postage - 
international shipping $5 for any number, USA $1 each. International 
interest has priority, hey it's tough to find these things outside the 
USA!

Reply __OFFLIST__ please.

Dan K

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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[Gerald R . Homeyer]

>Does anyone know what type of battery the 3400/240 takes as its PRAM battery?
>I can't find this information in the original user manual or the 
>take-apart manual.
>Thanks,
>Jae
>Baffin Island
>
>-- 
Check on Ebay. There are several auctions on excellent new Varta pram 
battery assemblies fairly cheap including install directions. The one I 
received had the following info: 
VARTA
7.2V 60mAh
6/V70H  NiMH and was purchased from Paul Erdelt. Contact at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .The transaction was excellent. Good luck.

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Re: 3400 PRAM Battery type

[David Price]

Hello,

Pardon the invasion of your privacy, but what brought you to Baffin 
Island? Isn't it one of the largest estuaries for birds in the world? 
And also one of the largest islands? It must be beautiful.

With kind regards,

David Price

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Re: 3400 OS

[Sionnach Aisling]

--- David Deckert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>, but the
> 9.1 Update is a 
> about 70MB to download, and then transfer onto the
> 3400. Hassle.
> 


It only took about 20 minutes to download it over my
cable connection and I downloaded with the 3400 so
there was no transfer for me ;-p

Cheers,
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Re: 3400 OS

[David Deckert]

> ...recently bought a 3400c; has OS 7.6 on it and would like to upgrade 
> to OS 9.0.

How much RAM? If you don't have much, OS9.x will make you fairly 
miserable, IMO. If the 3400 was never upgraded at all update to 7.6.1, 
a free update to 7.6.

If you do go 9, note there is also a retail CD of 9.1 out there. Also, 
this came with retail copies of Mac OS X 10.0.x. Be on the lookout, and 
if it smells like anything less than a retail copy confirm the 9.1 disk 
is still present, to make certain. A very cheap way to get the full 9.1 
and dable in the old version of X (but not on a 3400).

Otherwise 9.0.x retail copies will be fine, but the 9.1 Update is a 
about 70MB to download, and then transfer onto the 3400. Hassle.

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Re: 3400 not charging

[Sionnach Aisling]

Zapping the PRAM SHOULD reset the Power Manager as
well... But I wouldn't wager on it...  

To be sure, unplug your Powerbook from the AC, then,
take out the battery.  Hold the reset button on the
back next to the Ethernet/Modem slot in for anywhere
from 1-2 minutes (no exageration)  then let it go. 
Leave the battery out of the machine, but plug the AC
Adapter back in.  Now push the Power Button and try to
start it up.  (I usually zap the PRAM through about 6
chimes at this point too.) It should chime and boot as
normal.  Once it boots up, put the battery back in. 
This should take care of reseting the Power Manager
for you. 

Beyond the Power Board, though... I wouldn't overlook
somethign as simple as a PRAM battery.  They cause all
kinds of wierd unexplainable power oddities when they
get weak...  If you haven't replaced the PRAM in your
3400, don't delay... go get your self a new one and
put it in.  You won't be sorry.  You can pick them up
for under $15 and if you've ever put a RAM card in
your 3400, you can change the PRAM battery too...

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Re: 3400 not charging

[Jae Redfern]

>I zapped the PRAM but how does one zap the powermanager?

Actually, what *is* the power manager?

Jae

>Did you try zapping the PRAM, and the PowerManager? If
>not, it could be a bad powerboard.
>
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Re: 3400 not charging

[Nick]

Did you try zapping the PRAM, and the PowerManager? If
not, it could be a bad powerboard.

Nick


--- Jae Redfern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a 3400/240 running OS9.1 on 144MB RAM. It has
> recently stopped 
> charging the battery completely. I have tried two
> different power 
> adapters and reinstalled the OS with the same
> result. It's also 
> getting hard to tell when the book is alseep or off.
> It sometimes 
> chimes on booting, sometimes doesn't and fails to
> awake from sleep at 
> times (usually when the battery is low).
> I'm stumped.
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Re: 3400 query 1

[John Webb]

Hi There!

His advice may be wise, but so far my Powerbook 3400/180 has a 12g 
drive and I have had no problems with it at all. It's only if you plan 
to partition the hard drive do you have to make sure that the first 
partition is no larger than 8g. I think that's right!

Anyone to back me up?

John :)
On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:26  AM, K wrote:

>> Charles Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Subject: change 3400 hard drive?
>> I was thinking of putting a left over hard drive from a Lombard in my 
>>  old
>> 3400c.  Is there any reason >why this would not work?
>
> I , too, was thinking of adding a larger drive, but the only hard 
> drives
> now available seem to be 10 g or more. Yet an Apple repair specialist 
> here
> said that there was an 8g limit on the powerbook 3400s and he would not
> recommend going over that- something about the power needed to drive a
> larger drive not being readinly available on the 3400.  I know that 
> people
> have added much larger drives, but that was his advice.  What are other
> people's experiences with larger than 8 g hard drives, please?
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Re: 3400 query 1

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At 8:26 PM +1100 1/20/2003, K wrote:
>  >Charles Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Subject: change 3400 hard drive?
>>I was thinking of putting a left over hard drive from a Lombard in my  old
>>3400c.  Is there any reason >why this would not work?
>
>I , too, was thinking of adding a larger drive, but the only hard drives
>now available seem to be 10 g or more. Yet an Apple repair specialist here
>said that there was an 8g limit on the powerbook 3400s and he would not
>recommend going over that- something about the power needed to drive a
>larger drive not being readinly available on the 3400.  I know that people
>have added much larger drives, but that was his advice.  What are other
>people's experiences with larger than 8 g hard drives, please?


Harddisk power tends to stay constant and doesn't increase with size. 
It can't, if it did the drive would cook itself.  Anyone saying that 
doesn't know their stuff.  Power does vary some from drive to drive 
but a larger harddisk could take more power or it could take less. 
With PowerBook drives I wouldn't worry about it, there isn't much 
variation in drive power.

I have a PowerBook G3 which is basically a 3400 and am running a 20Gb 
drive in it.

There is an issue with some PowerBooks which require that the OS be 
loaded in the first 8G of the HD.  But AFAIK this applies to certain 
G3 Series models.
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Re: 3400 query 3

[Clark Martin]

At 8:26 PM +1100 1/20/2003, K wrote:
>  >Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>>Subject: Re: Best OS for a 5300cs
>>...  I HATE Virtual Memory with a PASSION.  It thrashes the hard drive and
>>quickly fragments the >damn thing, causing the whole system to slow up
>>while the drive head accesses random points on >the hard drive to read
>>paged memory back in or write portions of memory back to the disk...
>>Sheesh.  >VM is really only fast (and I use that word loosely) when  used
>>immediately after a disk optimization
>>Honestly, I've never understood why anyone in their right mind would  run
>>VM on a PowerBook.
>>Let's face it, NOTHING beats real RAM.
>
>Hello,
>I had understood that the default setting for Virtual Memory in the Memory
>Control Panel was for 1 mb above the actual ram available; thus, on my 5300
>I set the memory for 65 mb (64 real ram + 1). What would others advise
>about this, please?

Unless you really need to have more memory to do what you need then 
that is the best setting.  It will rarely use the HD and you get the 
advantages of more efficient memory usage.  Programs and the OS will 
use less memory than if VM is off.
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Re: 3400 query 1

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2003-01-20 14:20, "Sionnach Aisling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I , too, was thinking of adding a larger drive, but the only hard drives now
>> available seem to be 10 g or more. Yet an Apple repair specialist here said
>> that there was an 8g limit on the powerbook 3400s and he would not recommend
>> going over that- something about the power needed to drive a larger drive not
>> being readinly available on the 3400.
> 
> I'm not sure what he meant by a "limit".  He definatly wasn't speaking of a
> physical limit.  Years ago when notebook manufacturers were mounting the BIOS
> for the drives on the motherboards, rather than on the drive controller
> itself, machines were "limited" by the size drive the mother board BIOS would
> support.  Since this was a directly soldered chip, it took somoen with a bit
> of know-how to replace it for you if you wanted to go larger...  Drive BIOS
> chips have been on the controllers for many years now (around 10 or so) so it
> really isn't a consideration especially not for the 3400.

That was never the case in PowerBooks.

> I've been running a 10GB drive in my 3400 for a long time now with no problems
> whatsoever.  It's an IBM Ultrastore drive and is much faster than the original
> 2GB drive that wa in it.  Definatly a worthwhile upgrade.
> 
> The only thing to consider is a known problem with the 3400 where if you
> install a drive larger than 3GB, don't try to SCSI dock the unit... data
> corruption could result.  Other than that, no problems.

4 GB, actually. It's an addressing problem.

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Re: 3400 query 1

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--- K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I , too, was thinking of adding a larger drive, but
> the only hard drives
> now available seem to be 10 g or more. Yet an Apple
> repair specialist here
> said that there was an 8g limit on the powerbook
> 3400s and he would not
> recommend going over that- something about the power
> needed to drive a
> larger drive not being readinly available on the
> 3400.  

I'm not sure what he meant by a "limit".  He definatly
wasn't speaking of a physical limit.  Years ago when
notebook manufacturers were mounting the BIOS for the
drives on the motherboards, rather than on the drive
controller itself, machines were "limited" by the size
drive the mother board BIOS would support.  Since this
was a directly soldered chip, it took somoen with a
bit of know-how to replace it for you if you wanted to
go larger...  Drive BIOS chips have been on the
controllers for many years now (around 10 or so) so it
really isn't a consideration especially not for
the 3400.

I've been running a 10GB drive in my 3400 for a long
time now with no problems whatsoever.  It's an IBM
Ultrastore drive and is much faster than the original
2GB drive that wa in it.  Definatly a worthwhile
upgrade.

The only thing to consider is a known problem with the
3400 where if you install a drive larger than 3GB,
don't try to SCSI dock the unit... data corruption
could result.  Other than that, no problems.

Cheers,
Sionnach

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Re: 3400 (5300??) query 3

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>>What would others advise about this, please?<<

One of my 5300's has 40 MB RAM, the other 64 MB.  VM is OFF on both--RAM
Doubler 2 is ON on both--no problems.  VM really slows them down.

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Re: 3400 (9.1 vs 8.6)

[chouston]

on 1/8/03 19:07, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Vicki,
> 
> I've a 3400c maxed out in memory(144 Megs), and am extemely stasified with
> 8.6.  I tried 9.1 but was unhappy withit on two points, the machine seemed to
> run slower and 9.1 uses a lot more memory.  I reverted to 8.6.
> 
> Roger
> 
> vicki wrote:

Re. OS 9.1 using "a lot more memory", naturally it all depends on how much
RAM you have, whether you use virtual memory and what programs you have
installed.

I've got a 3400/240 with 144MB and OS 9.1 uses @ 18MB with VM on. I tend to
use Word 98, IE 5.1 and OE 5.0.5 (the real memory hogs, which still seem to
suffer from memory leak). Even at the end of the day, system memory use
never goes above 19-19.5 MB. As for OS 8.6, I remember it using pretty close
to the same amount, somewhere in the 16-19 MB range, with VM on. OS 9.1 is a
slower booting from a cold restart than is 8.6, though both are fairly slow
anyway. 

I've kept 9.1 for its easier/superior networking (after a complete system
reinstall, Filesharing via ethernet and ADSL via ethernet have been simply
plug-and-play and problem-free). I really liked 8.6, but I find 9.1 just a
little easier to use.

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Re: 3400.

[Sionnach Aisling]

I don't think my Internet problems were 8.6 related as
I know some people running 8.6 that aren't having the
same issues...  I'm pretty sure it was related to the
IP stack...  I had fooled with it for a little while
but couldn't get it going...  Didn't bother me so much
as my 3400 really isn't a primary machine.  It was
easy for me to reinstall OS9 and that did take care of
my problem.  Since I did the fresh 8.6 install myself
initially too, I'm skeptical that if I went back to
8.6 using the same CD's and whatnot, my problem would
return...

Cheers,
Sionnach
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > OS9 seems slightly slower on startup.  But,
> honestly,
> > not much.  SO far it has been quite as stable as
> 8.6
> > and my apps seem to load just as quickly as they
> did
> > in 8.6.  Most importantly for me, my INternet
> Browsing
> > speed is now what I would expect it to be from a
> cable
> > modem connection.
> 
> Can anybody confirm that internet is slower with 8.6
> than with 9.1 ? I've
> got exactly the same config (3400/200 with 80MB RAM,
> MacOS 9.1) but there
> are some random freezes at startup. Actually most of
> the time it starts
> without any problem but sometimes it freezes just
> when the progress bar
> appears. I was thinking downgrading to 8.6 to solve
> that problem but if
> internet is slower (and I find it already not that
> fast with 9.1), I think
> that I will stick with 9.1.
> 
> > Just FYI... with 80MB of RAM total, the System
> shows
> > that it is using 16MB of RAM.
> 
> Idem, but I've had to do some cleaning in my
> extension set to reach the 16MB
> bar. At the beginning, 9.1 was using 22MB RAM !
> 
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Re: 3400.

[Mehdi El Gueddari]

Hi,

> OS9 seems slightly slower on startup.  But, honestly,
> not much.  SO far it has been quite as stable as 8.6
> and my apps seem to load just as quickly as they did
> in 8.6.  Most importantly for me, my INternet Browsing
> speed is now what I would expect it to be from a cable
> modem connection.

Can anybody confirm that internet is slower with 8.6 than with 9.1 ? I've
got exactly the same config (3400/200 with 80MB RAM, MacOS 9.1) but there
are some random freezes at startup. Actually most of the time it starts
without any problem but sometimes it freezes just when the progress bar
appears. I was thinking downgrading to 8.6 to solve that problem but if
internet is slower (and I find it already not that fast with 9.1), I think
that I will stick with 9.1.

> Just FYI... with 80MB of RAM total, the System shows
> that it is using 16MB of RAM.

Idem, but I've had to do some cleaning in my extension set to reach the 16MB
bar. At the beginning, 9.1 was using 22MB RAM !

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Re: 3400.

[Sionnach Aisling]

Haha...


I'll go against the grain on tis one :-)

I have a 3400/200 with 80MB of RAM.  I installed and
ran 8.6 on it for quite a few months.  Overall it was
fairly quick and seemed quite stable, but I always had
a problem with the IP stack and the load speed of web
pages when surfing...  (Literally, I could load a page
slightly faster on a 56K dialup line thorugh my PC
based laptop, and the 3400 was hooked to my Cable
Modem via a router.)

I lived with this for awhile, but since I had nothing
of consequence on the hard drive and a full OS9 CD
burning a hole on the desk, I reinitialized the drive
and laid down a fresh OS9 install along with the few
apps I use (Nisus Writer, IE, and a few Guitar
programs)

OS9 seems slightly slower on startup.  But, honestly,
not much.  SO far it has been quite as stable as 8.6
and my apps seem to load just as quickly as they did
in 8.6.  Most importantly for me, my INternet Browsing
speed is now what I would expect it to be from a cable
modem connection.

I have no regrets and doubt I'll go back to 8.6.

Just FYI... with 80MB of RAM total, the System shows
that it is using 16MB of RAM.

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Re: 3400.

[Beverly Woods]

> What the best OS for the 3400 all I want is a general opinion.
> 
8.6 is good.

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Re: 3400.

[Lou Judson]

I'll agree with this. We have two 3400Cs here, one with 8.6 and one with
9.1 - my partner is happy enough with 9.1 but I like the way the 8.6
responds better. Both have max RAM, too.

Lou

Roger Volk wrote:
> 
> Vicki,
> 
> I've a 3400c maxed out in memory(144 Megs), and am extemely stasified with
> 8.6.  I tried 9.1 but was unhappy withit on two points, the machine seemed to
> run slower and 9.1 uses a lot more memory.  I reverted to 8.6.
> 
> Roger
> 
> vicki wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > What the best OS for the 3400 all I want is a general opinion.

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Re: 3400.

[Roger Volk]

Vicki,

I've a 3400c maxed out in memory(144 Megs), and am extemely stasified with
8.6.  I tried 9.1 but was unhappy withit on two points, the machine seemed to
run slower and 9.1 uses a lot more memory.  I reverted to 8.6.

Roger

vicki wrote:

> Hi all
>
> What the best OS for the 3400 all I want is a general opinion.
>
> I have just recently picked up a TI G4 so I will be putting my 3400 to
> reserve for a while until I find a good use for it but I want to re install
> all the apps and give it a really good checking first so I don't (get it out
> to use in a couple of weeks and find Glod)
>
> Or I would be willing to swap it out for a 2400 say mail me off list.
>
> Victoria.
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Re: 3400, or all powerbook, battery

[Lou Judson]

Okay, then, we're already doing the right thing... as I thought.

With the iBook, we watch a DVD about once a week, on battery only, so it
gets regularly used on battery. The 3400s rarely get unplugged, as they
live near the DSL router.

Thanks,

Lou

Joost van de Griek wrote:
> 
> On 2003-01-06 17:38, "Lou Judson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Great, now I have directly conflicting advice.
> >
> > It IS a li-ion, so I shouldn't let it discharge???
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > I should just keep them plugged in all the time unless taking it somewhere?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Or let it work on battery once a month and recharge? Where is the "certain
> > point?"
> 
> Your computer will shut down by itself (long) before this point is reached,
> but you should take care to recharge it as ASAP.
> 
> Leaving a Li-Ion equipped 'Book without power for too long *will* damage the
> battery, eventually.
> 
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Re: 3400, or all powerbook, battery

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2003-01-06 17:38, "Lou Judson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Great, now I have directly conflicting advice.
> 
> It IS a li-ion, so I shouldn't let it discharge???

Correct.

> I should just keep them plugged in all the time unless taking it somewhere?

Yes.

> Or let it work on battery once a month and recharge? Where is the "certain
> point?"

Your computer will shut down by itself (long) before this point is reached,
but you should take care to recharge it as ASAP.

Leaving a Li-Ion equipped 'Book without power for too long *will* damage the
battery, eventually.

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Re: 3400, or all powerbook, battery

[Lou Judson]

Great, now I have directly conflicting advice.

It IS a li-ion, so I shouldn't let it discharge??? I should just keep
them plugged in all the time unless taking it somewhere? Or let it work
on battery once a month and recharge? Where is the "certain point?"

I did go to the archive but there is so much there that I get distracted
and miss lunch before finding the answer...

Lou

Joost van de Griek wrote:
> 
> On 2003-01-06 17:08, "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There's been a lot about batteries on this list so if you can access the
> > archives you'll find a wealth of information.  But to summarize it, at least
> > once a week (once a month at the very least) unplug the AC and use the battery
> > until you get the warning message that the computer is about to go into a
> > forced sleep mode unless you plug it in.  Then let the battery fully charge.
> 
> But not for Li-Ion batteries; they should be charged whenever possible.
> 
> Draining a Li-Ion battery past a certain point can damage it permanently.
> 
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Re: 3400, or all powerbooks, was: 5300 battery

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2003-01-06 17:08, "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There's been a lot about batteries on this list so if you can access the
> archives you'll find a wealth of information.  But to summarize it, at least
> once a week (once a month at the very least) unplug the AC and use the battery
> until you get the warning message that the computer is about to go into a
> forced sleep mode unless you plug it in.  Then let the battery fully charge.

But not for Li-Ion batteries; they should be charged whenever possible.

Draining a Li-Ion battery past a certain point can damage it permanently.

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Re: 3400, or all powerbooks, was: 5300 battery

[Tom Roth]

There's been a lot about batteries on this list so if you can access the archives 
you'll find a wealth of information.  But to summarize it, at least once a week (once 
a month at the very least) unplug the AC and use the battery until you get the warning 
message that the computer is about to go into a forced sleep mode unless you plug it 
in.  Then let the battery fully charge.  Also see Sionnach's recommendation about 
topping it off once it's fully charged.

~tom

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> To:   PowerBooks
> Subject:  3400, or all powerbooks, was: 5300 battery
> 
> I am new to powerbooks, and have a 2001 iBook, and my GF has a 3400 and
> we just got another 3400 for her son. What is the best way to get both
> a) the most life per charge and b) the longest battery life? Both of us
> keep them plugged in all the time except for short periods when mobile.
> What is the best practice, especially for the older ones? Both 3400s
> were bought used, so I don't know their history...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lou
> 
> victoria brandon wrote:
> > ...  At that point I reconditioned it according to the procedure Sionnach
> > recommended (recharging completely, taking the battery out for thirty
> > seconds and reinserting to charge some more, then repeating the last a
> > couple of times.)
> 
> 

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Re: 3400, or all powerbooks, was: 5300 battery

[Tim Allen]

I just leave my battery in all the time on my 3400c and mainly run it off
AC. I bought it second-hand and the battery seems to give about an hour -
they're much better than the so-called intelligent batteries in the 500
series and seem to suffer less problems. Batteries for the 5300 will also
work in the 3400 but don't last as long.

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Re: 3400 Q's

[Sionnach Aisling]

> At 8:53 PM -0500 1/2/2003, Tom & Lisa P wrote:
> >1) Is the keyboard on the 3400 the same as on the
> 5300 ?
> >
> >2) Is the modem/ethernet dongle necessary if you
> only want to use one
> >or the other, but not both at the same time ?


1.) H... not 100% sure.  The 5300 and 190 used the
same keyboard...  Didn't a question just pass through
the list within the last day or so about whether a 190
keyboard was compatible with a 3400?  I think the
consensus was that it did, and, if so, by default, so
would the 5300's keyboard...

2.) THat was precisely how it was designed.  You need
to use the dongle (or a docking station)if you want to
use ethernet and modem at the same time.  If you are
using them seperately, you can plug in one or the
other without the dongle.  I've done both of these
things many times and never had a problem.

Cheers,
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Re: 3400 Q's

[Clark Martin]

At 8:53 PM -0500 1/2/2003, Tom & Lisa P wrote:
>1) Is the keyboard on the 3400 the same as on the 5300 ?
>
>2) Is the modem/ethernet dongle necessary if you only want to use one
>or the other, but not both at the same time ?

Conditionally yes.  All three pairs are on the back connector (pins 
1,2,3,6 for Ethernet and 4,5 for modem).  If you hook it to the phone 
line make sure you use a 2-wire cable, not a 4 wire (or 6 wire).  It 
probably won't damage anything but I wouldn't want to find out the 
hardway.  Plugging it in with a 4 wire cable would connect the 
Ethernet port to any second phone line or whatever else is there. 
Hooking the port directly to Ethernet should be okay as the other 
pair isn't needed.

One trick, if you do use both you can connect the Ethernet and modem 
lines to the adapter, connect the adapter to a RJ-45 to RJ-45 adapter 
(it must be a straight through adapter) and then a cable to the 
laptop.  This eliminates dragging an extra cable around with the 
laptop.

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Re: 3400 service manual - was: 3400-190 interchangeable parts

[Lou Judson]

I'd love a copy of the 3400 service manaul! Thanks in advance...

Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio
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Richard Skipp wrote:
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> I have the service manuals in PDF format for these computers.


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Re: 3400-190 interchangeable parts

[vicki]

> Can anyone give me a list of which (if any) parts from a 190 are compatible
> with a 3400?

Keyboard . track pad and palm rest's. doors but the symbols won't match.
battery hdd case .

That's about it i think.

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Re: 3400-190 interchangeable parts

[Richard Skipp]

> Can anyone give me a list of which (if any) parts from a 190 are compatible
> with a 3400?
> 
> IIRC the keyboard is. Any others? Trackpad? PSU?
> I'm hoping to resurrect a second 3400 and I have a lead on a 190 I can
> cannibalize. 
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Chris
> 
Hi,


I have the service manuals in PDF format for these computers. I can forward
them to you if you like as attachments. The PB 190 is nearly two MB's and
the 3400 is nearly 5 MB. So let me know. They include an exploded view near
the back which list all the parts and part numbers. Very useful.

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Re: 3400 heat in power adapter?

[Gary D. Adams]

Some of those 3400 power adapters were covered under that recall Apple 
had on G3 adapters--the ones that had caught fire.

You might write down your s/n and check 
http://exchange.info.apple.com/exchange/

G

K wrote:
> Hello,
> When I have the power adapter (gray rectangular unit) plugged in on my
> powerbook 3400 (even if the unit is not turned on) it gets very hot. Is
> this heat normal?
> Thanks.


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Re: 3400 Question

[Spry/Fujita]

I'm not going to claim  status, but I do own a 3400 and here is my
two bits:

I suspect that the trying to boot up with out the main battery installed
has caused the PRAM batts to be sucked out. They will need to sit on a
charge for a long time to get charged up again - and someone with more tech
knowledge than I will be able to say whether they will charge at all
without he main batt installed.

So my thought for the day is - install new pram batts that you know are
charged up. Make sure the main is installed. Leave it on AC for a day for
good measure and try a boot.

Good luck - Lorne

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Re: 3400 question

[Gary E Davis]

Uh Oh

I don't think I did that...

Thanks guy

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Re: 3400 question

[Gary D. Adams]

When you reset the Power Manager, did you remove the battery and unplug
the A/C?

Gary

Gary E Davis wrote:

> Hi Victoria
>
> I've done both yet it still shows a solid Sleep light
>
> Gary


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Re: 3400 question

[Gary E Davis]

Hi Victoria

I've done both yet it still shows a solid Sleep light

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Re: 3400 question

[victoria brandon]

on 12/23/02 9:13 AM, Gary E Davis wrote:


> I need the help of a Mac hardware Guru bigtime a short while back I was
> netsurfing with my 3400 using AC power and with the battery removed. Time to
> leave happend and forgetting the battery wasn't there I unplugged the
> Powerbook when it was still running. Course it went out asap but now its
> completely dead. No response at all and when I press the reset button I get
> a solid (Not blinking) sleep light. I thought maybe the Powerboard was
> damaged and replaced it but no improvement still no response with a solid
> glowing sleep light

Gary -- I'm for certain sure no hardware guru but will jump in anyway:  have
you zapped the PRAM and reset the power manager?

Best,
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Re: 3400 CD-ROM

[Charlie Reyes]

>Although I may need a SCSI burner now that I think about
>it, unless I also get a USB or Firewire PCMCIA card and external USB or
>Firewire case for the EIDE's as well ... any ideas?
>


Scuzzy does it best.

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Re: 3400 CD-ROM

[Tim Allen]

I recently got a 3400/OS9 without CD, and I've seen some 6-12x CD modules
for $50-100. Anyone know if these CD-ROM prices are about as good as it
gets, or should I maybe invest in a CD burner (I think I spotted some EIDE
internal drives for $20-$30). Although I may need a SCSI burner now that I
think about it, unless I also get a USB or Firewire PCMCIA card and external
USB or Firewire case for the EIDE's as well ... any ideas?

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USB burners only work at 4x speed so avoid them. Firewire is one option
though of course if you ever upgrade to something newer it will be
redundant, and it will cost more for a recent drive. I would say best bet is
to buy a cheap external SCSI burner from ebay. You won't have all the
potential problems with firewire cards etc. You won't have spent much so
when it becomes obsolete you won't have lost out much. Just my opinion
though - hope it helps.

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Re: 3400 and Multimedia cards

[sirksd]

I am not familiar with MultiMedia cards, but I have a reader that is in the
cardbus slot that reads SmartMedia and I know of others who have cardbus
readers for flashcards.  So, check on what type you have and eBay will
probably have it for under $20.00 for Smartmedia and under $10.00 for
flashcard readers.  I save pictures to an internal VST Zip drive on both my
3400 and 5300.  Good luck.

Dan in AZ

Tim Allen wrote:

> I've also got a new digital camera that uses MMC cards. Is there anyway of
> reading the cards on the 3400 or will I always have to hook up to the G4 by
> USB?


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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Sionnach Aisling]

If your IP addy's start with 23.xxx.xxx.xxx, then
those are routable.  I took a look last night to
figure out what the other non-routable address scheme
was I couldn't remember and it was 172.16.xxx.xxx, so,
basically, three non-routable schemes:

10.xxx.xxx.xxx
172.16.xxx.xxx
192.168.xxx.xxx

Now if you have 23.xxx.xxx.xxx addresses, then your
ISP has no doubt given you a block of addresses to
use.  You could check with them to see which addresses
they are.  If you can have up to four machines, then
they've given you four addresses.

If you just change one of the numbers on one of your
other Macs a little and try to use that for a manual
IP for your 3400, if it's out of your given block,
your ISP may drop your service until you call and
straighten it out.  If you want to try a static
(manual) IP on the 3400, I'd call them first.

So it sounds like your ISP provided you with the
router and all... Pretty neat.  I don't know any ISP's
around here that do that for home accounts.  Usually
they just give you 1 routable IP address.  Of course,
then you just go out and buy a router, link that to
the routable IP and run non-routable IP's to all your
home PC's.  You only have four ports on the router,
but that won't keep you from cascading a hub onto it
;-)  I run 8 PC's at once from my connection at home
through a Linksys Router w/ 4 port switch and a
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Sionnach Aisling]

Thinking some more about your problem...

I think I remember you saying you had a strange IP
address listed?  Or am I getting you confused with
something else I've been working on ;-)

Anyway, if thats the case, then DHCP isn't working for
you.

Straight off, double check all of the settings on your
TCP/IP tab.  If they all look right, contact your ISP
and get the block of IP's they assigned you.  They'll
give you a range of numbers like 23.xxx.xxx.20-
23.xxx.xxx.24 or something like that.  Find out what
two addresses your other Macs are using and which one
your routers using and pick a free one.  Assign that
as a manually entered IP address on your 3400.  Make
sure you enter the Subnet Mask and Name Server
information (DNS) - very important.

Once this is done, if you don't have a PING program on
your Mac, go to Apples site and download MacTCP Ping. 
Using a Ping utility, attempt to PING the IP address
of your Router from the 3400.  If you can't ping the
router, try pinging the other Macs... If you can't
ping the other Macs, try pinging yourself.

If you can Ping the router, but you can't access the
internet, it's likely a DNS issue...  Try opening your
browser window and instead of typing www.xx, try
typing in an IP address.  If you don't know the IP
address of a website, try 161.58.225.20  Thats the IP
address for redriver.com  See if you can surf to the
site using IP address rather than name... thats a sure
sign of a DNS issue.

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Re: 3400 and DSL - problem solved

[chouston]

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. In the end, it was the simplest
most direct approach that worked: wiping the HD and reinstalling OS 9.1.

Upon startup with the fresh system, I set TCP/IP to Ethernet and Configure
using DHCP server (no IP address or anything else), fired up IE 5.1 and I
was surfing and downloading at super speeds, even on the old 3400 (e.g.
download the Norton Antivirus updates to NAV 7 at over 100K/sec). Web pages
were loading faster than on my G4 Sawtooth. Wow.

And then I set Appletalk to Ethernet, turned on Filesharing and was sharing
files with the Lombard and Sawtooth while surfing the web. Very nice.

So in the end it was indeed a software problem.

Thanks for all your help.

Next step, connecting the 3400 wirelessly to the Lombard (both using Wavelan
Silver cards), and surfing the web through the Lombard (connected to our
router by ethernet cable).

Any advice much appreciated ;-)


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Re: 3400 and DSL

[chouston]

on 23-10-2002 20:14, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1. I'm 90% certain this is software.
> If you had a hardware issue, the OTP issue would not result as it is.
> 
> 2. is TCP/IP showing an IP address # ??? What is that #?  if it's a 169, you
> do not have a connection (intellectually--though you may have one
> physically). However, I suspect that you DO have an IP# that's valid, due to
> AppleTalk being happy)..
> 
> 3. try manually setting your IP# to another address.. If your other Mac's are
> showing 10.0.1.xx, then set your machine to a slightly higher IP (say
> 10.1.1.12)...

Okay, I'm replying to David's mail, but it's also to all the suggestions
from Brian, Drew, Sionnach et al.

I seem to have some "odd" IP addresses: they are not 10.xx or 192.xxx, but
rather 23.xxx.xx.81 (on the Sawtooth and Lombard, which both work).
The Default gateway address is 23.xxx.xx.1 (same as the IP except for the
last digits), the Netmask is 255.xxx.xxx.0 and the Name server address is
213.xxx.xx.xx

I get these from the server; I don't insert them manually.

Re. number of computers allowed, the server has a 4 "device" limit, i.e.,
computers plus networked peripherals. Though there are only 3 available
ethernet ports on the back of the router (the fourth goes to the DSL modem).
The router remembers the devices that have been connected to it and as soon
as you add a fifth, service is cut off and you have to call to get it turned
on again. 
I've had only 2 connected (Lombard and Sawtooth), and am trying to get the
3rd. There is supposed to be no problem in connecting 3 at the same time.


Re. configuring my router, unfortunately it was just plug and play. The
server provided both modem and router (or "residential gateway"), which a
tech plugged in to the outlet and said "ready to go". I plugged an ethernet
cable into the router and the G4, opened Explorer 5.1 and was surfing the
web. 
I didn't even go into TCP/IP to change anything. Nor did I install any of
the server's software, which was for Windows.


Anyway, in order, I'll try taking the address from the G4, changing them a
bit and inserting them manually into the 3400 TCP/IP control panel.
If that doesn't work, I'll try a fresh install of OS 9.1.

Thanks for the help.

Chris H


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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Sionnach Aisling]

I agree with everyone that CHris' problem seems to be
IP related... in fact, I think I mentioned before that
I thought his file sharing was likely happening over
Appletalk and hiding the IP issues...

Anyway, I read through a lot of the feedback, and it
all made sense to me, but something stuck me with
Chris' email where he asked how to set the IP address
manually.  I thought I might add a couple things here
that hopefully would be less technical if it's
needed...

I haven't heard of the brand of router you mentioned
and don't specifically know how to configure it. 
Generally, routers are configured with a web based
utility or have some sort of management utility you
can Telnet into.

I get the feeling that your router was provided to you
by your ISP and you didn't set it up yourself.  If
that is true, is what you are calling the router
really the DSL modem? Just curious.  Some ISP's when
you get DSL service will allow you to connect only one
or two computers to your DSL line.  They assign you an
IP address. (THis could be DHCP (changing) or Static
(manual)  Even if it's based on DHCP, they can still
limit your connections if they decide you are only
entitled to 1 or 2 machines without paying them
additional $$$.

In order to set a manual IP address for your 3400, you
would need to configure your router (assuming it is a
router and assuming that it is setup to be a DHCP
Server) to exclude a small range of IP addresses from
it's DHCP address pool.  You could then use one of
those excluded addresses as your manual IP number for
the 3400.  Obviously you need to make sure that your
Subnet Mask and Gateway information are filled out
properly in the 3400's TCP/IP setup as well.

If you do have a router, then I am assuming that it is
acting as a proxy.  What this means is that your ISP
has provided you with a single IP address.  The router
uses that address to broadcast requests to the
internet, but, for communications with your internal
machines, your router provides internal IP addresses. 
There are three main IP schemes that are not routable
over the internet and are used as internal addresses. 
One of them is 10.0.0.x, another is 192.168.0.x and I
can't remember the other off the top of my head.  If
your IP address starts with a 10. or with a 192. then
you are using internal addresses for your machines and
the router is translating those addresses to the IP
address that your ISP gave in order to send
information over the internet.  That came out more
complicated than I intended, but that method also
provides you with a measure of security from the
outside.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that if your IP
addresses don't start with a 10. or a 192., then you
should not just randomly assign another IP address to
your 3400.  If you are truly running routable IP's to
your workstations, then those IP's are owned by your
ISP, check with them to make sure you have enough IP
addresses to service the amount of computers you want
connected...

Cheers,
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Andrew Kershaw]

>
> Result was "Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221" 
>

FWIW, I get error -3221 when my TCP/IP stack crashes.  It typically 
happens after switching configurartions too many times without 
restarting, then trying to use DHCP.  It's definitely an OT error, 
though, so like Brian said, I'd check my OT installation to make sure 
I have all the parts.

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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Brian]

>No luck pinging with WhatRoute.
>
>Result was "Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221"

That sure isn't an error I'd expect; when I've tried to ping on machines
that I know have a config problem, Whatroute just give a failed/timeout for
each ping attempt (if I tried to ping an IP), or a
"failed to resolve" error if I tried to ping a domain, and my domain
services weren't config'd correctly.

This makes me suspect your TCP/IP installation is missing pieces or is
corrupt... perhaps reinstall it.
Have you got working ethernet internet connections if you take your laptop
elsewhere (library or something) that provides DHCP? Do we *know* that
TCP/IP ever works over ethernet on this laptop? :)

>How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway,
>which also carries our voice phone line).

No idea; is it web configurable?  You'll have to check the instructions, I
don't know that model.
You aren't limited to just 2 computers on your DSL line are you?  If they
provided the router they could force that limitation.

>To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without
>an assigned IP address?

If your router is broadcasting DHCP you can usually just sneak a static IP
in there; as long as no one else is using that IP you won't have conflicts.
I've never had a problem doing this with any cable or DSL routers anyway,
and only once at one university.  These little routers will accept anything
from x.x.x.2 to x.x.x.253 usually, although some come set to only go up to
x.x.x.32 in the default config.
What this means, is you can have a DHCP server set up but set up some
machines in the LAN via static IP anyway, just fine.  In fact sometimes you
want it this way.

So:
In the 3400's TCP/IP panel, set it to "manual", specify an IP similar in
format to what one of your other macs acquires via DHCP (look at their
TCP/IP panel) (192.168.1.x likely, just be sure to keep the first 4 numbers
the same as on the working macs, and use the same subnet mask as on the
working computer) and just increment the last number by one to get an IP to
use for the 3400.  umm..better, look at your each of your other macs and
increment the highest IP by one :)  you can't have 2 machines with the same
IP.  Everybody has to be unique.

You will have to specify (all via IP, not names) the IP, the gateway/router
address, the subnet mask, and (important) the DNS server by hand.  If you
get the DNS wrong, "pings" of IP numbers can work but pings of domain names
(like apple.com) will fail.

You can get most of this info from one of your working Macs.  The DNS
server IP, if you don't know it, you might have to read your providers
instructions, or you can glean it from WhatRoute if you put WhatRoute on
one of the working macs).

HTH.  It's not as hard as the long mail might make it look, should be a
really quick test.

If setting up the manual IP thing doesn't work, my next step would be to
reinstall Open Transport, that error is not usual.  At this point my guess
is your Open Transport services got corrupted somehow and are the cause of
the problem.  If the other macs are working and you don't have a limitation
on the number of computers that you can add to your network, I'd not mess
with the router config.

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Re: 3400 and DSL

[DavidWedge]

Chris,

1. I'm 90% certain this is software.
If you had a hardware issue, the OTP issue would not result as it is.

2. is TCP/IP showing an IP address # ??? What is that #?  if it's a 169, you 
do not have a connection (intellectually--though you may have one 
physically). However, I suspect that you DO have an IP# that's valid, due to 
AppleTalk being happy)..

3. try manually setting your IP# to another address.. If your other Mac's are 
showing 10.0.1.xx, then set your machine to a slightly higher IP (say 
10.1.1.12)...

IF that works, and you get online, then you'll know that the problem is 
software on the machine--the DHCP service tools are screwed... if it DOES NOT 
work, then you've got either a physical issue (which I doubt), or a system 
issue with Open Transport servicing the Ethernet port.  Either way, you will 
likely need to do a NEW system install to overcome this. DDon't try updating 
your current sys folder--do a new system folder, to guarantee that all likely 
parts are replaced..

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In a message dated 10/22/02 12:33:39 PM, you wrote:

>No luck pinging with WhatRoute.
>
>Result was "Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221"
>
>
>Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4
>Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1:
>Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server.
>
>The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a
>NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall).
>
>The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing
>(Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3.
>
>So, any ideas?
>
>How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway,
>which also carries our voice phone line).
>
>To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without
>an assigned IP address?
>
>As per other advice, I tried turning off the router/gateway and then turning
>it back on, but still no luck.
>
>
>Chris H

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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Tom Roth]

> --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: 3400 and DSL
> 
> No luck pinging with WhatRoute.
> 
> Result was "Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221"
> 
Find out the IP number assigned to the 3400 by your DHCP router and then try and ping 
it from the G4 or Lombard.

> Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4
> Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1:
> Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server.
> 
> The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a
> NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall).
> 
> The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing
> (Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3.
> 
They see each other but probably via AppleTalk, not TCP/IP.  This is an IP problem.  

> So, any ideas?
> How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway,
> which also carries our voice phone line).
> 
How do you admin the router?  What if you shut everything down, brought up the router 
and then after a few minutes, just the 3400?  Will it work then?   If not, boot up one 
of the other Macs and see if they'll work.  If so, maybe reinstall the networking 
software (or the whole OS) on the 3400.

> To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without
> an assigned IP address?
> 
There's some internal IP number you can use to do that but I don't remember what it 
is.  Maybe someone else on the list does.  Or you might find it in your router's 
manual.


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Re: 3400 and DSL

[chouston]

on 19-10-2002 21:32, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can you "ping" addresses outside of your LAN from the 3400?  Download
> WhatRoute to try this- and use numeric IP's. Some sites don't respond to a
> ping so try a couple to avoid misdiagnosis.  cnn.com for exmaple ignores
> ping requests so it's not useful here;  apple.com does respond and is IP
> 17.254.3.183.
> 
> If pinging IPs works but pinging domain names does not there's something
> wrong in the way your 3400 is resolving DNS queries.   Macs are funny about
> this but DHCP should provide DNS resolution automatically, depending on
> your router; specify the DNS server by hand in the TCP/IP-DHCP settings for
> the 3400 and see if that helps.  Check the way that the Gateway machine is
> providing DHCP to the clients, too.
> 
> If you can't even ping IP's that are outside the LAN, then you might need
> to check your router machine setup.
> 
> B


No luck pinging with WhatRoute.

Result was "Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221"


Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4
Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1:
Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server.

The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a
NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall).

The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing
(Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3.

So, any ideas?

How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway,
which also carries our voice phone line).

To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without
an assigned IP address?

As per other advice, I tried turning off the router/gateway and then turning
it back on, but still no luck.


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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Sionnach Aisling]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> P.S. Is anyone on the list using a 3400 with DSL,
> connected via Ethernet but
> not using any software (like Enternet, etc.)?
> 

Chris,

Sorry, I won't be much help with your problem, but I
can attest that I am running a 3400 through a Cable
Modem via Ethernet on OS 8.6 going through a LinkSys
Router with a 4 port switch.  It takes an IP address
from the DHCP service running on the router.  All I
did was setup TCPIP to get the IP automatically, and I
set Appletalk to Ethernet.  I don't use the dongle but
go straight through the cabel and I have the modem
extension installed  3400 not with me right now so
i can't check the extension version.

I also carry this machine to work with me from time ot
time and plug right in and access the internet over
our DSL link...  Don't change any settings or anything
... no problems at all

Don't know wht to tell you for your problem...  Does
seem like it could be DNS related, though...
especially if you seem to be able to see the other
machines on your network and share files OK... Thats
probably happening over Appletalk (via Ethernet)
though rather than IP??? Od does OS 9 do IP native
like OS X does??  Personally, I'd try like Brian
suggested and see i you can ping external addresses
from the 3400... Have you tried that?  I suppose if ou
thought it was a DHCP issue, you could try setting up
a couple static IP's on your router and assigning a
static IP to the 3400...  Manually give it the IP,
Subnet and Gateway addresses and see if that helps...

Cheers,
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[George Mogiljansky]

I use an ethernet connection in two away-from home
places. Using location manager, I set up the choices.
If you have the free PPP lurking somewhere, make sure
your modem selection is set to generic. Make sure
AppleTalk is off. Have you pressed the reset button?
Cheers
George (3400c, 80 MB/180 MHz)

> 
> I did check on missing extensions. The extension
> I've always had is the
> "Powerbook 3400/G3 Modem", version 1.0.1, that was
> installed with OS 9.1.
> Under Extensions Manager, it says "Supports the
> internal combined
> Ethernet/Modem expansion card".
> 
> The odd thing is that I've never had any problems
> with Ethernet on the 3400.
> As I said, it is currently connected to our "hub"
> (supplied by the DSL
> provider) and it is seen by the other 2 Macs on our
> home network and file
> sharing among all 3 is problem free.
> The 3400 even worked fine in the past with a direct
> Mac-to-Mac ethernet
> crossover cable link.
> The modem works fine too for dial-up connections.
> 
> So it seems odd that Ethernet works perfectly (both
> with and without the
> 3400 dongle), but I can't connect to the web via
> Ethernet.
> 
> I tried replacing the 9.1 extension with 2 other
> 3400 extensions: Powerbook
> 3400 Modem and Powerbook 3400 Ethernet, both vers.
> 1.1f2.
> But the higher version number seems to be a
> misnomer, as they predate the
> 1.0.1 from OS 9.1. 
> In any case, they didn't solve the problem.
> 
> As to TCP/IP, I configured the 3400 the same as the
> other 2 Macs connected
> to our DSL line. We don't have a static IP address.
> TCP/IP is configured by
> the DHCP Server. 
> Could this be the problem? That the 3400 ethernet
> port and/or extension may
> not work with a non-static IP address?
> 
> I should also add that I called our DSL company's
> tech support and we tried
> to solve the problem in real time over the phone. No
> go. And something that
> really troubled the guy is that he couldn't "see"
> the 3400 from his end over
> their network (while he could see that our other 2
> Macs were connected).
> 
> It's irritating, as I've read of several people
> using lowly 5300's on their
> DSL connections. There must be a way to get the 3400
> connected.
> 
> Any help much appreciated.
> 
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[DavidWedge]

Chris,

You might check to make sure the 3400's Ethernet driver is installed. I don't 
recall the name of it (somebody help me out), but it's an extension that 
allows the ethernet to run.   

Check your TCP/IP to see the IP Address. If it's showing a 169.xxx.xxx.xx 
number, then your machine isn't seeing the ethernet port, even though you've 
got the TCP set right.  In that case you need to go back & check your 
extensions folder, to make sure your ethernet extension is listed. That's a 
unique driver to the 3400/Kanga, as it uses a different driver chip than all 
other Powerbooks, if my memory is correct..

You may even have a green light on your hub, showing a positive port 
connection, but that won't necessarily mean that the 3400 sees the port as 
valid, it's only a positive connection indicator.

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In a message dated 10/18/02 12:11:18 PM, you wrote:

>The G4 and Lombard have always used the DSL link 24/7 without problems.
>Setup was plug and play. No additional software needed. I set up the TCP/IP
>control panel as Connect via Ethernet, and Configure Using DHCP Server, and
>that was it. 
>Tried doing the same with the 3400, but any attempt to open a URL gets a an
>Error message ("The attempt to load ... failed"). Also unable to check
>email. 

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Re: 3400, 8.6 not sleeping

[Greg M]

--- sirksd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> For several weeks now my PB3400 is not going to sleep at all.  The
> hard
> drive winds down.  The control panel settings are set to go to sleep
> fully after 5 minutes, both on AC and the battery.
> 
> Manually with the key strokes I can put it to sleep.  Automatically,
> it
> will not go to sleep.  Maybe someone can help with that.  I run
> OS8.6.
> I don't want to reinstall the entire system.  I tried zapping PRAM,
> rebuilding the desktop, etc.  If some extension is getting in the way
> or is not set correctly, please let me know.
> 
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If AppleTalk is Active, that will cause it.

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Re: 3400 freezes when I insert PC floppy

[Charlie Reyes]

>My 3400 does not like to reckonize PC floppy disks. Put one in the drive and
>the machine just freezes...but strangely enough the mouse still moves the
>cursor...though you can't click on anything...only way out of this is a
>forced restarts option+apple+power...I have a suspicion its cos I need PC
>Exchange? How/where do I get this? AND more importantly will it fix my
>problem?
>Ta
>MacDog


Does ejecting the floppy restore functionality? If it does it must be the
floppy drive. A missing or corrupted File Exchange shouldn't cause the
problem and a dialog window should appear to that effect.

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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Richard Adams]

Heh, funny, Tom - I remember lining the interior case of my old Radio Shack 
Color Computer with tinfoil, after painting it with metallic silver paint, 
for exactly this reason. It was considered SOP in the CoCo world! That 
little baby could put out some major RF interference!

Ciao,

Richard


>From: "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PowerBooks)
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PowerBooks)
>Subject: Re: 3400 and TV interference
>Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:32:29 -0400
>
> > ------
> > From:   Scott Holder
> > Subject:Re: 3400 and TV interference
> >
> > I guess you could wrap the 'book in foil ;)
> >
> >
>I think a Titanium PowerBook would probably work even better.  ;)
>
>
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Tom Roth]

He might also check to see if the Router IP address is set correctly and I would 
uncheck that "Load only when needed" in the TCP/IP control panel.  I've only known 
that to cause problems.


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> --
> From: Sionnach Aisling
> Subject:  Re: 3400 and DSL
> 
> Well... a couple thoughts. 
> 
> You do have your router set to give out IP addresses
> via DHCP, right?  I'm assuming you do since you have
> the other machines working and logic would dictate
> that you set the 3400 up the same way.  If your other
> macs are using static addresses (manually set) then
> try setting a manual address for the 3400 as well.  Be
> sure to get the proper subnet mask.  Also, making sure
> the DNS information is correct is very important. 
> Just match it up to the other machines.
> 
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Re: 3400 and DSL

[Sionnach Aisling]

Well... a couple thoughts. 

You do have your router set to give out IP addresses
via DHCP, right?  I'm assuming you do since you have
the other machines working and logic would dictate
that you set the 3400 up the same way.  If your other
macs are using static addresses (manually set) then
try setting a manual address for the 3400 as well.  Be
sure to get the proper subnet mask.  Also, making sure
the DNS information is correct is very important. 
Just match it up to the other machines.

Now, for my more likely thought ;-)

Have you upgraded the OS on that 3400  (or someone
else)  Does it still have the special 3400 extension
for the shared NIC/Modem port???  Without that
extension installed, your ethernet port won't work.
-Oh, but in retrospect, you did say you were OK in
sharing files with the other machine's didn't you? So
that isn't the case...  I'd go back to double checking
the IP settings and making sure everything is setup
properly for your network.

Cheers,
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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Ed Vaeth \(Surfbest\)]

Well, that's that. Upgrade to cable access or to Outdoor antenna. Didn't
know that people still used rabbit ears. Excuse my ignorance. Black and
White TV ?? :)

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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: 3400 and TV interference


> Sorry, forgot to mention this: yes, he uses rabbit ears, and she says the
TV
> is interfered with even when she is running from her battery. Pardon my
> ignorance here: is RF radio frequency? Anyway it does seem like that would
> explain it.
>
> Beverly
>
> > You don't mention if his TV is getting its signal from
> > rabbit ears, outdoor antenna or cable or satellite.
> > With an antenna (as opposed to cable/sat.) you should
> > expect interference. The computer is an RF generator
> > with harmonics easily covering the entire VHF and UHF spectrum.
>
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Re: 3400 and TV interference

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> --
> From: Scott Holder
> Subject:  Re: 3400 and TV interference
> 
> I guess you could wrap the 'book in foil ;)
> 
> 
I think a Titanium PowerBook would probably work even better.  ;)


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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Scott Holder]

Yes, RF is Radio Frequency.

Based on what my Duo does to my AM radio when it's nearby, I'd not be
surprised at all about any TV interference. Not really sure what you/she
could do about it save trying to rotate things around a bit, and
increasing distance.

I guess you could wrap the 'book in foil ;)

Scott Holder

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To: PowerBooks
Subject: Re: 3400 and TV interference


Sorry, forgot to mention this: yes, he uses rabbit ears, and she says
the TV is interfered with even when she is running from her battery.
Pardon my ignorance here: is RF radio frequency? Anyway it does seem
like that would explain it.

Beverly


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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Beverly Woods]

Sorry, forgot to mention this: yes, he uses rabbit ears, and she says the TV
is interfered with even when she is running from her battery. Pardon my
ignorance here: is RF radio frequency? Anyway it does seem like that would
explain it.

Beverly

> You don't mention if his TV is getting its signal from
> rabbit ears, outdoor antenna or cable or satellite.
> With an antenna (as opposed to cable/sat.) you should
> expect interference. The computer is an RF generator
> with harmonics easily covering the entire VHF and UHF spectrum.

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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Ed Vaeth \(Surfbest\)]

Bad grounding of circuits of house. Grounding loops or neutral loops also
possible.  If running coaxial cable for TV feed, check ground connection at
splitter. For shielded cable of any type to work properly both ends of cable
must be grounded at interfaces.Plugs must be tight. ... Carrying this thread
into computer technology, the absolute rule in data rooms for example is to
use isolated ground circuits- this prevents other "noisy" household/premises
items from interfering with more sensitive items such as computers and
peripherals. This technique also protects the units from surges and other
brown outs if in front of a good surge neutralizer/power backup supply
(UPS).  More than likely though, you're using an aerial antenna or your
coaxial plug is frayed or not put together properly forming a good solid
shield.  Cure: Wrap the terminal end with a couple rounds of electrical tape
or cut the old plug off, prepare the end properly and crimp on a new plug.
Change outlets to a different circuit in house to possibly find the
bad/mis-grounded circuit if a local problem.  Hope this helps.  Ed in NJ.


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Subject: Re: 3400 and TV interference


Sounds like it might be electrical interference if it's happening throughout
the house.  Is the PB3400 being run on the AC adapter?  If so, the AC
adapter is probably the culprit.

> Hi folks,
>
>   My daughter reports that when she is at her dad's with her 3400, running
> it, even in the next room, interferes with his TV reception. Does anyone
> know any reason for this, or a fix?
>
> TIA,
>
> Beverly
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Re: 3400 and TV interference

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> --
> From: John Doh
> Subject:  Re: 3400 and TV interference
> 
> --- Beverly Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> >   My daughter reports that when she is at her dad's
> > with her 3400, running
> > it, even in the next room, interferes with his TV
> > reception. Does anyone
> > know any reason for this, or a fix?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Beverly 
> > 
> You don't mention if his TV is getting its signal from
> rabbit ears, outdoor antenna or cable or satellite.
> With an antenna (as opposed to cable/sat.) you should
> expect interference. The computer is an RF generator
> with harmonics easily covering the entire VHF and UHF spectrum.
> 
I could see that if the PB3400 were close to the TV and the TV was using an antenna 
that might cause interference but I wouldn't expect the PB3400 to interfere with the 
TV no matter where in the house the PB3400 is located.  I've got a PB3400 and it's 
usually sitting about five feet from my TV and I've never experienced any problems 
from it.  The TV is on an antenna but it's not the rabbit ears antenna but an attic 
antenna.


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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[John Doh]

--- Beverly Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My daughter reports that when she is at her dad's
> with her 3400, running
> it, even in the next room, interferes with his TV
> reception. Does anyone
> know any reason for this, or a fix?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Beverly 
> 
You don't mention if his TV is getting its signal from
rabbit ears, outdoor antenna or cable or satellite.
With an antenna (as opposed to cable/sat.) you should
expect interference. The computer is an RF generator
with harmonics easily covering the entire VHF and UHF spectrum.

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Re: 3400 and TV interference

[Tom Roth]

Sounds like it might be electrical interference if it's happening throughout the 
house.  Is the PB3400 being run on the AC adapter?  If so, the AC adapter is probably 
the culprit.


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> From: Beverly Woods
> Reply To: PowerBooks
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2002 8:15 AM
> To:   PowerBooks
> Subject:  3400 and TV interference
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My daughter reports that when she is at her dad's with her 3400, running
> it, even in the next room, interferes with his TV reception. Does anyone
> know any reason for this, or a fix?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Beverly 
> 
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Re: 3400 battery voltage (and Smartdisk)

[chouston]

on 23/9/02 23:56, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Old Li-Ion batteries will often show a lower voltage
> than new ones. But, you don't specify if your new
> batteries are NiMH or Li-Ion. Usually batteries
> selling for $19 new are NiMH, but they should say on
> them.
> 
>> Any risk in using the 3500 batteries? Are those
>> voltage ratings okay?
> 
> No risk, they are OK.
> 
> Greg


The batteries I got from Powermax are the Li-Ion ones for both the 3400 and
3500, though they say "Macintosh Lithium Ion Rechargeable Battery for
Macintosh Powerbook G3", model number M4399.

Also of note is that the above batteries do not charge in my VST SCH3400
external battery charger, while the original 3400 batteries do charge fine.
The charger is listed as compatible with both types of batteries.

VST Smartdisk customer/tech service was helpful as ever: i.e., after a
series of emails, in which they confirmed that both batteries should work in
the charger, and that all the batteries charged okay in the 3400, they said
maybe my charger was defective and they might have to issue me an RMA to
send it for repairs or exchange. Then I never heard from them again...

Similar story re. an AC adapter I recently bought from them for my external
portable Firewire CDRW: they sent me a "Phihong" brand adapter (along with 2
Smartdisk adapters), and the first time I went to plug it into my CDRW,
sparks flew out from the AC jack when the adapter pin made contact; I got a
small electrical shock too.
Well, I fired off an email to Smartdisk - specifically to the customer
service person who had dealt with my original order (the online order showed
free shipping to Canada, but despite the fact that they'd accepted my order
and payment, they refused to honor it) - and she got back to me right away,
apologizing and saying tech support would contact me ASAP. A week later,
nothing. I guess sparks flying out of their products and giving customers
electrical shocks isn't an urgent issue...

I do like their products though. Shame about the people...

Chris H


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Re: 3400/3500 battery voltage

[John Doh]

--- Tom & Lisa P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>  Any risk in using the 3500 batteries? Are those
> >>  voltage ratings okay?
> >
> >No risk, they are OK.
> >
> >Greg
> 
> What about charging ?  I thought Li Ion batts had to
> be controlled 
> much mroe carefully when charging.  This is the only
> reason I havnt 
> tried to use a Gateway Solo Li Ion battery in my
> 1400.
> 
> Mad DOg
> 
The 3500 (Kanga) and the 3400c can and do both use the
same Li-Ion battery and the same NiMH battery. They
are both designed to know the difference and charge
them accordingly. Read page 14 15 and 16 of the
Service Source Manual. It discusses the 3400 and G3
(Kanga) battery as the same. It differentiates between
NiMH and Li-Ion and makes mention of the fact that the
5300 and 190 can use the same NiMH battery as the 3400
and G3.

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Re: 3400/3500 battery voltage

[Tom & Lisa P]

>
>
>>  Any risk in using the 3500 batteries? Are those
>>  voltage ratings okay?
>
>No risk, they are OK.
>
>Greg

What about charging ?  I thought Li Ion batts had to be controlled 
much mroe carefully when charging.  This is the only reason I havnt 
tried to use a Gateway Solo Li Ion battery in my 1400.

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Re: 3400 Start-up Problems

[Sionnach Aisling]

--- Tom Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It could be a potential HD problem.  However, I'm
> wondering if the PRAM battery being dead could cause
> this.  Is the unit plugged in the whole time?  Is
> the charger working?


H

My gut feeling would be no.  Although the PRAM battery
does cause startup problems which almost religiously
appear when you leave the unit sitting unused for a
few days, these problems generally have symptoms of
teh machine not powering on at all.  I haven't seena 
PRAM problem cause System Folders to disappear or
flashing Question marks on boot... But I suppose
theres a first time for everythign ;-)

If it were mine, to be safe, I'd probably just change
both at the same time.  They are both cheap, and if
I'm going to have the case open, better to open it
once than twice.  I'd say you should be able to find
the PRAM battery for >$15 (Wasn't there a thread a few
days ago that said MacResQ has them on clearnece for
just a couple dollars?) and a decent 20gb or even 10gb
hard drive can be had for under $50...

Like Tom said, changing them out is simple and
invloves using your Torx screw driver to remove the
three screws on the bottom of the case holding the
keyboard in and then gently lifting the clips securing
the palm rest down once the keyboard is up.  The hard
drive is under there.  The PRAM battery is toward the
top side of the case and will involve also removing
the one screw holding down the speaker assembly.  All
in all a piece of cake.


Not sure if this is the website with illustrations Tom
mentioned or not, but it does explain how to do it
with pictures...
http://home.earthlink.net/~richardinsd/Supersizeyour3400.html

Cheers,
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Re: 3400/3500 battery voltage

[John Doh]

> I've heard one report of a 3400 owner with a fried
> PB, who was told by an
> Apple tech that he fried his logic board with one of
> the higher-voltage 3500
> batteries. 

This is not true. The battery that comes with the 3500
(Li-Ion) is not a higher voltage than the Li-Ion
battery for the 3400. Although, the 3400 can use a
Li-Ion battery or a the NiMH battery for the 5300 and
190. The voltages are slightly different.
> 

> I also have two original 3400 batteries, and I've
> noticed that in charging
> the two different types, the app My Battery shows a
> higher voltage rating on
> the 3500 batteries: 16v, compared to max. 14v with
> the 3400 batteries.

Old Li-Ion batteries will often show a lower voltage
than new ones. But, you don't specify if your new
batteries are NiMH or Li-Ion. Usually batteries
selling for $19 new are NiMH, but they should say on
them.

> Any risk in using the 3500 batteries? Are those
> voltage ratings okay?

No risk, they are OK.

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Re: 3400/3500 battery voltage

[Charlie Reyes]

>>Just wanted to ask if anyone's using the Li-Ion batteries from the 3500 aka
>>"Kanga" in a 3400?
>>


I've swapped the two identical (Lilon) batteries - no problems at all.

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Re: 3400/3500 battery voltage

[Remy Davison]

>Just wanted to ask if anyone's using the Li-Ion batteries from the 3500 aka
>"Kanga" in a 3400? 
>
>I've heard one report of a 3400 owner with a fried PB, who was told by an
>Apple tech that he fried his logic board with one of the higher-voltage 3500
>batteries. 
>
>Didn't seem logical to me, as all the info I've read is that these batteries
>are compatible with both the 3400 and 3500.
Agreed, doesn't make sense. IIRC, they had high wH ratings, but any Mac 
shop will sell you what is a '3400/3500' battery. 

AFAIK, the input voltage on PBs is all 24v on the AC. Different models do 
have varying input battery voltage ratings, however. The 1400 is around 
9.6V, while the 5300/190 run at around 14.4v.

3400s/Kangas can use the NiMH 190/5300 batteries and I'm pretty sure the 
3400/3500 also run on 14.4v batteries. The diff is that the 3400 shipped 
with a 32Wh battery, while the Kanga had a 47Wh. TiBook now ships with a 
55Wh battery, I think. No idea of the battery input voltage.

Cheers,

RD

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Re: 3400 Start-up Problems

[Tom Roth]

It could be a potential HD problem.  However, I'm wondering if the PRAM battery being 
dead could cause this.  Is the unit plugged in the whole time?  Is the charger working?

It's fairly easy to put a new HD into but you will need the Torx screw driver to get 
into it.  There used to be a web page that had step by step instructions and some 
photos but I can't find it now.  You take out the three screws from the bottom, lift 
out the keyboard, remove the palm rest and there's the HD under the left side of the 
palm rest.

Once the new drive is installed then boot off a Mac OS CD and reformat the drive and 
install the OS.


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> From: Stephen Boyd, Miss Eaton, Inc.
> 
> A 3400 that I set up a while back for my wife's grandmother has been having
> occasional start-up problems. Occasionally, usually after it has been unused
> for a few days, it is unable to find the system folder and gives the
> blinking floppy when it starts up. My worry is that it could be the
> hard-drive starting to act up. Is that the most likely cause? If so, how
> easy is it to put a new drive in its place? Anyone know of sites that
> explain how to do this?
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Re: 3400 OS

[David Deckert]

>some will say 8.6, others 9.1.  

If 8.6 does what you want, stay there. I have 9.1 on one w/80MB RAM and
it's very nice; seems more responsive and snappy than desktop Macs with
similar 40Mhz bus and the like. 

>I swapped out the original 1.3GB HD with a 4GB HD as soon as I got it.

I have the original 1.3GB, and I'm very pleasently surprised how quiet
it is. Well, at least compared to the 80MB freight train in my old
PB180. Anyone interested in a PB180 with 14MB RAM?

Apparently there's a bug with the 3400 that prevents successful
SCSI disk mode when the hard disk is bigger than 4MB, so be careful
about newer, big drives.

>Stick w/ 8.0 or 8.1...  OS 8.6 is very real in it's 24MB suggestion - 
>a normal install will readily use 24MB of RAM.  That will leave you 
>with just 8MB for your applications...  
>
>Unless you have RAM doubler or want to waste your battery time w/ 
>virtual memory, that is.

Absolutely. Use 8.1 (not 8.0) until you get more RAM. If/when you get
more RAM, re-install the OS for better stability.

-David

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Re: 3400 PRAM batteries

[Remy Davison]

>> Subject: Re: Source for 3400 pram battery
>> 
>> MacResQ has them on there clearance page right now for  $2.99
>> 
>> Donny Monk at  has them all the time
>> for $12.
>> 
>> Aloha, Ken
>
>
>That IS a great price.
> 
Yep, that's what I paid ($3) for (2) of mine. I still have one. They're 
the same for the 5300/190 etc.

BTW, if G3 users want to be cheap, they can use them. They plug right in. 
The diff is they use only 1 cell, not 2. This only becomes an issue if 
you swap batteries in sleep mode and have a _lot_ (i.e. 512MB +) of RAM. 

But it's better than paying $40+ for the G3 PRAMs.

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Re: 3400 PRAM batteries

[chouston]

on 18/9/02 01:03, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Subject: Re: Source for 3400 pram battery
> 
> MacResQ has them on there clearance page right now for  $2.99
> 
> Donny Monk at  has them all the time
> for $12.
> 
> Aloha, Ken


That IS a great price.
 
Unfortunately I ran into the same old problem when I tried to order 4, i.e.
international shipping is thru the roof ($40 on a $12 order), plus they give
you the run-around re. non-US credit cards. I don't know about anybody else,
but I don't really want to fax or email anyone a copy of my cc and bank acct
info!

Anyway, I've got 3 3400's to try and fix up, so... if there's any US-based
list member who was going to order some of these anyway, and who might
consider tacking another 4 onto their order, then shipping them US post
office "super cheap" to Rome (Italy), well, I'd not only be extremely
grateful, I'd even go around the corner to St. Peter's and put in a good for
them at the Vatican...

And naturally I'd pay you in advance (Paypal, money order, etc.).

Just a thought. Do let me know. Thanks,

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Re: 3400 users!

[Tom & Lisa P]

>I'm sure it has something to do with the machine having pre-production
>ROMs or something. The 'Book is labeled as: "Hooper DVT Unit" so it's
>probably got development ROMs. I've tried every OS from 8.0 to 9.2.1 and
>none are acceptable apparently. The 'Book gives an error while booting
>that means something like "This Mac's ROMs are too new(?)/old(?) for this
>OS." I forget now exactly which, it's been awhile since I've tried it.

Pre-production ROMs ?!?! Heck, SOLDER those bad boys OUT and replace 
them with NEW roms from a dead mobo.

>BTW, any OS collectors out there want the Sonata OS that was on it's HD
>when I got it? I'm pretty sure it ain't exactly the 8.1 GM.
>
>Hey, I got an idea! *. . . maybe I could grab the ROMs image and compare
>it to a production 3400 . . . Uhh, I forget how to grab the ROMs, anyone
>care to remind me?

Um...err  uhh I know there is a way... some Amiga program 
used for an emulator...

>Dan K

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Re: 3400 users!

[Scott Holder]

Several of the emulators out there include ROM dumping utils. Check out
http://basilisk2.cjb.net . You may have to download the distribution to
get it, or there might be a standalone download of the rom dumper.

It's aimed at 68k ROMs for 68k Emulation, but the last time I tried it,
I was able to dump my 6500's ROM.

Scott Holder

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Hey, I got an idea! *. . . maybe I could grab the ROMs image and compare

it to a production 3400 . . . Uhh, I forget how to grab the ROMs, anyone

care to remind me?

Dan K


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Re: 3400 users!

[Dan K]

I'm sure it has something to do with the machine having pre-production 
ROMs or something. The 'Book is labeled as: "Hooper DVT Unit" so it's 
probably got development ROMs. I've tried every OS from 8.0 to 9.2.1 and 
none are acceptable apparently. The 'Book gives an error while booting 
that means something like "This Mac's ROMs are too new(?)/old(?) for this 
OS." I forget now exactly which, it's been awhile since I've tried it.

BTW, any OS collectors out there want the Sonata OS that was on it's HD 
when I got it? I'm pretty sure it ain't exactly the 8.1 GM.

Hey, I got an idea! *. . . maybe I could grab the ROMs image and compare 
it to a production 3400 . . . Uhh, I forget how to grab the ROMs, anyone 
care to remind me?

Dan K

* My 3 yr old daughter loves to say that, esp. when she thinks of 
something like going out for ice cream - 
As in: Hey, I got an idea, let's go out for ice cream!

On 9/12/02 PowerBooks "Tom Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Why's that?  I've typing this on a 3400 right now and it running OS 9.1.
>
>> --
>> From:Dan K
>> Subject: Re: 3400 users!
>>
>> I managed to stuff a FW card into my non-cardbus caged 3400, but it
>> does me little good as the darn PB will run only OS 8.1.
>>

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Re: 3400 users!

[Tom Roth]

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> From: Dan K
> Subject:  Re: 3400 users!
> 
> I managed to stuff a FW card into my non-cardbus caged 3400, but it does 
> me little good as the darn PB will run only OS 8.1.
> 
Why's that?  I've typing this on a 3400 right now and it running OS 9.1.


 Tom Roth  *  tel 336.716.4493
 Wake Forest University School of Medicine
 Dept of Biomedical Communications
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