[SlimDevices: Radio] I know u've been ask all of this b4! :)

2009-10-09 Thread 4Forum

Hi there!
I am new to this, but I've managed to get squeezeboom up and running an
connected to wifi at home. Great stuff!
HOwever... I am struggling to get some of my fav radio stations through
squeezenetwork (I know, different name now).
I have followed the threads, I have read other forum posts, I have
tried snooper to tests the traffic, I have used
http://www.listenlive.eu/spain.html to check them...I have installed
alien plug in

Anyway, to the point. I have succeeded with a good bunch, but I am
struggling with a couple!

http://kissfm.en-directo.com/kissfm.asx
The main radio's URL is kissfm.es

I only seem to get the publicity intro

Some others, with the addresses of the player or options given by
snooper, are

www.los40.com/player/radio/online

www.cadenadial.com/player

http://www.m80radio.com/comunes/player/mm.php?

video=M80&auth=dbEbabpbccSdJdmcya9d9dTcMbxdXbqdgbn-bkVKiS-b4-Ci-yBwCldyuJq,dbEa3bDbrdDdOdBcQcObwbBbEbD

http://www.m80radio.com/multimedia/radios.html

www.cadenaser.com/player

http://www.cadenaser.com/comunes/player/mm.php?

video=SER_AUTH&auth=dbEa8d3chcdcSd7dwdjd2dobNaQbXa9cbb4-bkVKll-b4-4q-yDwDqdxtIq,dbEbUcDaxbZaAbgdZcZbudRcNc1dVcjaqci

The most I could get with these is for the stream to work for a while.
Then I got a message saying invalid URL or similar

Sorry 4 LONG msg. I hope 1 of u can simply answer in 2 secs. I am sure
it is obvious, once u know what u r doing!

THANKS 4 any advice, I mean it!

:)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread PetervanHanergem

thks

btw, how do you become betatester ? :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread gweempose

vw195;469784 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> ... if you order from logitechsqueezebox, they will give you free
> shipping & no sales tax.  For whatever reason the Logitech site wants to
> charge sales tax.I ordered from the Logitech site and didn't get charged 
> sales tax. I
assume it's because I live outside of California where Logitech is
based.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread MeSue

PetervanHanergem;469840 Wrote: 
> What is short ?
> 
> Thks

Whatever you have set for your screensaver delay, I think. 30 seconds
or so.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] How to prelisten alarm clock sounds ?

2009-10-09 Thread Dean Blackketter

Pressing the PLAY button should do a preview...

I just filed a bug against this:

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14704

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] How to prelisten alarm clock sounds ?

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

bluegaspode;469758 Wrote: 
> I realize that the radio has a huge amount of alarm-clock sounds.
> 
> How do I prelisten them ? Clicking selects them and pressing play (like
> in the screensaver-settings) doesn't help either ?
> 
> I guess there must be an easier way than setting >20 alarms just to try
> them out ?

You can do this by installing the Sounds & Effects app. This will let
you just play the sounds.


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[SlimDevices: Radio] When playing music

2009-10-09 Thread mathewbeall

How can I make the album art take up more of the LCD?  I went to
squeezecenter/radio settings and was expecting to find the settings
there, but I couldn't find it...

TIA!

Matt


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread unclemat

MrSinatra;469891 Wrote: 
> where did u get a new boom for $240?  thats cheaper than the sbradio
> with battery!

>From electronics-expo.com. They had it for $250 few weeks ago, and with
some coupon, it came to ~$240 shipped for me. Seems they have jacked up
the price since.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread jay_cee_in_da_house

Just got my shipping notice from Amazon. Next day shipping...for Monday.
Sigh.

Oh well, I ordered towards the end of September, so Amazon must be near
the end of their preorder backlog.


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[SlimDevices: Radio] Can't save internet radio to favorites when connected to mysqueezebox.com

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

When I am connected to my squeezebox server, if I click the big knob, or
press the plus key, one of the options I have is "Save to Favorites".
This option is missing when I'm connected to mysqueezebox.com. Is this a
bug? I do have "save to favorites" functionality from my SB3 when
connected to MySB.

Thanks!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Wi-Fi connection details

2009-10-09 Thread radish

WPA uses a key made up not of the full 255 character ASCII set but the
so-called "printable ASCII" set (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters). As far
as I know, Radio will let you enter any of those.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread barbro66

vw195;469784 Wrote: 
> Heh me too, but if you order from logitechsqueezebox, they will give you
> free shipping & no sales tax.  For whatever reason the logitech site
> wants to chage sales tax.

oops - well that's $18.50, my contribution to the California state
deficit


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>When the alarm goes off, you should see the time for perhaps a
>configurable amount of seconds (say 5 seconds), then it automatically
>should go to the now playing screen.
Displaying the time on the Now Playing screen would be my preference.

This is what I do with my SB3 in the bedroom for an alarm clock.  I use the 
MusicInfoSCR screensaver as a replacement for the Now Playing screensaver, 
configured to show the current time top-right.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>And also if an existing squeezeboxserver >7.4 with all credentials for
>network use, like my own is present. It is completely unnecessary and
>tedious to setup trough the device, it could just auto register to
>msb.com in the background.
>
I agree.  Setup could attempt to connect to a local Squeezebox Server.  If it 
finds one on the local network, then use it and retrieve MySqueezebox.com 
account details that may have been configured from there to avoid having to 
type it in.  In most cases, the only setup required for a new player would be 
to connect it to the local network.

This is how the classic player setup used to work - it asked for a server to 
connect to.  If it didn't find one, it could connect to SN.

The reason for the change was apparently that this is too confusing; takes too 
long for a new user to unpackage device and get it running; that the user first 
needs to install some software on their computer (and that they might not even 
have a computer, although I think anyone in the market for a media player would 
have at least one PC in their household).  I don't understand that; there's no 
reason why it can't offer the option to connect to either local or remote, or 
intelligently search for a local server first, and if not ask for 
MySqueezebox.com account info.

iPod's can't be used until you've installed iTunes, and it didn't seem to 
hinder iPod sales too much!

The actual reason may be that they want to tie players to their server to offer 
extra marketting, tracking product usage, etc.  For the typical person looking 
for a device to play internet radio streams, they will not see the need for 
MySqueezebox.com at all - just configure a few default radio stations into the 
player and directly connect to play those sources.

MySqueezebox.com can provide extras and has a use, but it shouldn't be a 
necessary requirement forced upon at device setup.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread eap

Philip Meyer;469886 Wrote: 
> >I asked about this in another thread.  When the alarm fires, don't you
> >get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)?  That's what is
> >indicated in the wiki.
> >
> >There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
> >the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).
> 
> This is assuming that the Radio will be used as a bedroom device.  That
> is not the only use for alarms.
> 
> I don't have a need for a Snooze funtion or Alarm off function.  I use
> the device in the kitchen, with an alarm to turn a news radio station on
> in the morning for breakfast.  I don't want to see a screen saying that
> the alarm is on, with options to turn it off or snooze, or have to
> remember to press Back before being able to access other funtions
> without losing the radio station.
> 
> I just want the alarm to turn music on at a set time, and stay on until
> I press stop or power (i.e. usual functionality).
> 
> There's an enhancement request that I raised which suggests that each
> alarm should be configurable, such that you can decide whether you want
> an alarm to provide snooze/alarm off functionality, or just turn music
> on and immediately exit alarm mode.
> 
> https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13602

Agreed.  There should be NO menu shown when the alarm fires.  Most
alarm clocks just have the alarm go off.  You either keep it playing by
doing nothing, or you turn it off entirely.  

When the alarm goes off, you should see the time for perhaps a
configurable amount of seconds (say 5 seconds), then it automatically
should go to the now playing screen.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>However, my understanding is that an internet connection
>is *not* needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a
>local instance of Squeezecenter running.  
>
I don't think that's the case, or if so, it's certainly not obvious.

It was said that setup should be quick to get the user to the point where music 
can be played, and that was justification for changing from the SB3 setup model 
of connecting to a local Squeezebox Server (which would require installing 
software on a PC before music could be played), to the new setup model of 
requiring an internet connection and making no attempt to find local music.

Personally, I think it should ask what music the user would like to setup the 
device to use:
1. Use local squeezebox Server for playing your music
2. Use MySqueezebox.com for playing internet music
3. Device-only (Tiny SC), for playing music on a USB device [Touch player setup 
only]

Potentially, there could be an option to configure device with no Squeezebox 
Server or MySqueezebox.com.  e.g. to use it as an amplifier for a portable 
media player (line-in), or when the player cannot connect to a wireless router 
and you just want to set up the rest of the device and at least use it as a 
clock (maybe alarm clock with simple tone beep),  whilst waiting for 
internet/PC to get fixed.

I've heard rumours that you can press Back when asked to enter MySqueezebox.com 
account details, to skip that stage.  If so, I don't think there's anything to 
highlight that is possible; it's almost like it's still seen as a mandatory 
requirement to connect to their website to authenticate the player, and if 
there are issues they will then tell you the secret way to bypass that step.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>As to having to have an Internet connection, my opinion is that
>decision is based on 3 main things. First so that units could be
>produced and stock piled with only a firmware that meets the ability to
>get logged in and on line so a production firmware can be down loaded
>later when the product is released. If it wasn't done this way, they
>would just be running them off the line now and we would all be awaiting
>a couple more months.
>
Auto update is quite good, but I don't see why there needs to be an 
authenticated MySqueezebox.com account to get it.  i.e. you can download 
software from the internet without entering an account on most sites.

Also, firmware updates can come via a local Squeezebox Server.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread JJZolx

bluegaspode;469766 Wrote: 
> Pressing the Power-Button turned the radio off (showing a big clock),
> pressing it again turned it on and I still had the menu for turning off
> the alarm. So I guess the power button is not really used to stop the
> alarm.

No, the alarm is turned off with the power button - it's not snoozing. 
There's no need to turn the Radio back on.  If you just leave it off
(really 'standby') it will be turned back on for any subsequent alarms. 
Just don't power it off completely by using a long hold of the power
button.

I'm not sure why the alarm menu reappears when you turn the Radio back
on, though.  Maybe there's a reason, but it sounds more like a bug.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>> I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is a
>> setting that needs to be changed:
>
That wouldn't be particularly useful.

Okay, nice to see what the time is, and some people would like to be able to 
snooze or turn off alarm, but the screen doesn't show what is playing.  The 
alarm button can be pressed to turn the alarm off, and it is annoying that 
there isn't a distinct snooze button on the top of the device like Boom.

But one of the reasons why I like a media player for an alarm, is so I can see 
the extra detail.  i.e. I play random music as an alarm; it's a great way of 
discovering music I haven't heard in ages.  But sometimes something comes on 
that I don't recognise - which is also good for waking me up, as it gets me 
thinking.  I usually glance over to see what is playing, and often also look to 
see what will play next, to decide whether to stay in bed for a few more 
minutes.  Others may play an internet radio station and thus also hear 
something playing that they want to discover more about, but won't be able to 
see because all you get to see on the screen is two mechanisms for stopping 
playback.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread MrSinatra

unclemat;469453 Wrote: 
> I am not sure I am going to keep the Radio. Didn't even think I would
> take advantage of the 30 day satisfaction policy. I might. The lack of
> backlit keys might be the deal breaker. I bought the Boom new for $240
> shipped, so the radio for $200 wasn't much of a deal. I bought it for
> the form factor and the option of becoming portable with the future
> battery pack.
> 
> Summary: not impressed.

where did u get a new boom for $240?  thats cheaper than the sbradio
with battery!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>I asked about this in another thread.  When the alarm fires, don't you
>get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)?  That's what is
>indicated in the wiki.
>
>There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
>the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

This is assuming that the Radio will be used as a bedroom device.  That is not 
the only use for alarms.

I don't have a need for a Snooze funtion or Alarm off function.  I use the 
device in the kitchen, with an alarm to turn a news radio station on in the 
morning for breakfast.  I don't want to see a screen saying that the alarm is 
on, with options to turn it off or snooze, or have to remember to press Back 
before being able to access other funtions without losing the radio station.

I just want the alarm to turn music on at a set time, and stay on until I press 
stop or power (i.e. usual functionality).

There's an enhancement request that I raised which suggests that each alarm 
should be configurable, such that you can decide whether you want an alarm to 
provide snooze/alarm off functionality, or just turn music on and immediately 
exit alarm mode.

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13602
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>This was debated in the Beta Radio testing program, and I was (am) in
>agreement with you.   :)
I think most people were in agreement.  In particular:

1. Entering an email address is awkward - needing to enter @ and several "." 
characters means scrolling up/down a lot.

2. Some poeple enter false email addresses to avoid spam.  Having previously 
configured an account via the web site (maybe after confirming via email), the 
email address may be forgotton/trashed.  Then, when trying to use Radio, they 
have to find their email address in order to access the MySqueezebox account.  
I believe website access used to require an Account name previously?  Brand new 
customers can create an account (email address/password) via the setup screen 
directly from Radio player, so it's okay for them, but for existing customers 
it's a bit awkward.

Entering a Username would have been easier and more memorable.

3. Most testers complained that they should not be forced to use 
MySqueezebox.com - i.e. skip this setup step.  This is even less appropriate 
for Touch, where users may only have/want to play local music, or use the 
embedded Squeezebox Server (TinySC) to play music from a USB device/memory 
stick, and may not even be connected to the internet.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] So what about the red one?

2009-10-09 Thread snarlydwarf

vw195;467630 Wrote: 
> I almost pulled the trigger on the red one last night in the logitech
> store, but evidently the logitech store wants sales tax.  Why in the
> world would I need to pay sales tax in Tennessee.  Does logitech have a
> storefront anywhere in Tn? Because if you don't, you shouldnt be taking
> sales tax.. grr

Move to Oregon?  No sales tax for me!


Code:


  This order is marked as Awaiting Shipment
  
  Your Order Contains the Following Items:
  
  * 1 x Squeezebox Radio
  (Color: Red)
  
  Order Date: 9th Oct 2009 @ 12:52 PM
  



Hrrm, clock is an hour off somewhere or Slim just fell into the ocean
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[SlimDevices: Radio] Red Radio - appearance and availability

2009-10-09 Thread testmatch

Hi,

Can anyone with a red radio comment on how it compares to the Logitech
black products (e.g. Boom) when it comes to showing the dust and
fingerprints? If the red one appears in the Logitech UK store this month
I think I want to get that as I suspect it should look neater and more
cheerful. The black of the Boom does seem look grubby easily (I sound
like my mother here!). I can only find one picture of the red before the
US site bounces me out to select a retailer.

Or is the red one intended to be a US-only product?

Also, when will the battery be available please? I really want to keep
the radio in the bathroom, so the battery operation (given the building
regulations in the UK) is crucial.

Thanks,

John


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread PetervanHanergem

MeSue;469831 Wrote: 
>  and then go back to dim after a short time.
> 
> 

What is short ?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread MeSue

It goes very dim in a dark room. If you turn the knob or touch any
buttons, it will light up so you can read the screen and then go back to
dim after a short time.

If you want it completely dark, you can set "off" mode to screen off.
I'm pretty sure that in this case turning the knob would not turn on the
screen. Most likely you will find it gets dim enough with the automatic
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread bluegaspode

PetervanHanergem;469775 Wrote: 
> Before ordering the SB Radio some question's:
> 
> I want to used it as a bedside radio/alarm. Is it totally dark when i
> want to go to sleep or is there a dim screen or so.
> 

It has a light sensor so the screen dims automatically. 
Per default in the 'off' state there is a screensafer, which shows a
digital clock (white letters) on black. 
When there is no light around this dims very low, so you still see the
numbers but it doesn't illuminate the surroundings. I'm not disturbed at
all by this but still can read the clock.

I couldn't find a button though to turn on the light.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread vw195

jay_cee_in_da_house;469772 Wrote: 
> I know...I'm cheaping out. (I have Amazon prime shipping and no sales
> tax). 
> 
> 
> 
> It is making me learn patience.

Heh me too, but if you order from logitechsqueezebox, they will give
you free shipping & no sales tax.  For whatever reason the logitech site
wants to chage sales tax.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread bluegaspode

Me too today. 
Amazon said november when I cancelled :)


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[SlimDevices: Radio] Radio use as bedside radio/alarm

2009-10-09 Thread PetervanHanergem

Before ordering the SB Radio some question's:

I want to used it as a bedside radio/alarm. Is it totally dark when i
want to go to sleep or is there a dim screen or so.

when dark, is there a button for a back light or so, so that i can
check the time.

The reason why i'm asking is because i like the dark when sleeping, so
it would be handy that the radio is dark and when i briefly wake up i
want to check the time, then i click a button i have briefly light on
the radio.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread jay_cee_in_da_house

vw195;469706 Wrote: 
> Yes, but Ive already received mine from LogitechSqueezebox :)


I know...I'm cheaping out. (I have Amazon prime shipping and no sales
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread bluegaspode

gdpeck;469749 Wrote: 
> That's not what I saw. All I saw was the clock.

I tried out the alarm and the menu appears for me.

Pushing the button start snoozing, dialing right and pushing stops the
alarms.
So you don't have to watch the display to use both options.

Furthermore I tried the 'pause' button, which stopped the alarm too.


Pressing the Power-Button turned the radio off (showing a big clock),
pressing it again turned it on and I still had the menu for turning off
the alarm. So I guess the power button is not really used to stop the
alarm.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread iPhone

To address the lack of back lit buttons, I believe this was based on the
decision to meet a price point, make assembly easier, and increase
battery life. They were not forgotten it was a product and bussiness
decision.

As to having to have an Internet connection, my opinion is that
decision is based on 3 main things. First so that units could be
produced and stock piled with only a firmware that meets the ability to
get logged in and on line so a production firmware can be down loaded
later when the product is released. If it wasn't done this way, they
would just be running them off the line now and we would all be awaiting
a couple more months. Another reason is that this is the first " Smart"
player released and the game has changed. SBS and the new seemless MySB
requied this and remember Touch is coming.


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[SlimDevices: Radio] How to prelisten alarm clock sounds ?

2009-10-09 Thread bluegaspode

I realize that the radio has a huge amount of alarm-clock sounds.

How do I prelisten them ? Clicking selects them and pressing play (like
in the screensaver-settings) doesn't help either ?

I guess there must be an easier way than setting >20 alarms just to try
them out ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

aubuti;469731 Wrote: 
> Not being able to set home-or-nothing from the web page never bothered
> me, but I can imagine how it could be annoying to you and others. If I
> understand Matt's comments in the bug/enhancement report it sounds like
> at this point they are planning to emphasize customizing the menus via
> MySB and on-device, and not necessarily via the web interface to SC/SBS.

toby10;469739 Wrote: 
> If for no other reason, Menu organization to match (or as close as
> possible) the Menu structure of all players in my use.

I used the term web UI interchangeably. I don't care if it's via SC/SBS
or via MySB, if I have the option to sync them. I do want the same menu
structure regardless of what I'm connected to, and accross all of my
players. 

aubuti;469731 Wrote: 
> At present MySB has what I think is a very nice interface for
> customizing the home menu on the older (IP3K) players like SB2, SB3,
> Boom, and Transporter. I'd be happy with something like that for the
> SqueezeOS devices, and even happier if the customization could be
> extended to the second menu level.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

eap;469738 Wrote: 
> I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is a
> setting that needs to be changed:
> 
> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Image:SnoozeWindow.png

That's not what I saw. All I saw was the clock.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread toby10

If for no other reason, Menu organization to match (or as close as
possible) the Menu structure of all players in my use.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread eap

gdpeck;469687 Wrote: 
> The only thing I saw on the screen was the clock. The power button
> didn't show me a menu or do anything until the third or fourth hit. I
> didn't try to hit the big knob, maybe I should have. However, I believe
> that presenting a menu, kind of misses the point of an alarm clock. When
> I'm just waking up I'm bleary eyed, and don't want to focus on menu
> text. I just want to press a button to shut the thing up. I'm not
> talking about snooze here, because i don't use snooze. I want to be able
> to punch one button, and get up knowing that the next alarm will fire,
> whether that is an hour later for my wife, or the next morning.

I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is
a setting that needs to be changed:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Image:SnoozeWindow.png


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread aubuti

gdpeck;469718 Wrote: 
> Actually the second problem (not well articulated by me) is just the
> lack of setting up the "home or nothing" scenario from the web page. It
> would be easier to live with the inability to re-order, if I could
> manage what does show up from the web UI instead of clicking around the
> tiny screen on the SB radio with the big knob and the back button. It
> would also be nice if I could set that up once and have it sync to both
> mysqueezbox and squeezebox server.
Not being able to set home-or-nothing from the web page never bothered
me, but I can imagine how it could be annoying to you and others. If I
understand Matt's comments in the bug/enhancement report it sounds like
at this point they are planning to emphasize customizing the menus via
MySB and on-device, and not necessarily via the web interface to SC/SBS.


At present MySB has what I think is a very nice interface for
customizing the home menu on the older (IP3K) players like SB2, SB3,
Boom, and Transporter. I'd be happy with something like that for the
SqueezeOS devices, and even happier if the customization could be
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

aubuti;469712 Wrote: 
> Thanks. While the second problem (lack of re-ordering) has been around
> since the introduction of the SBC, in my opinion that problem is
> magnified tremendously by the new Home-menu-or-nothing paradigm that
> came along with SBS 7.4.0 and the associated firmware. All the 'My Apps'
> stuff doesn't seem to help, either.

Actually the second problem (not well articulated by me) is just the
lack of setting up the "home or nothing" scenario from the web page. It
would be easier to live with the inability to re-order, if I could
manage what does show up from the web UI instead of clicking around the
tiny screen on the SB radio with the big knob and the back button. It
would also be nice if I could set that up once and have it sync to both
mysqueezbox and squeezebox server.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread aubuti

gdpeck;469707 Wrote: 
> Voted. I guess I didn't know that since this is my first SqueezeOS
> device.
Thanks. While the second problem (lack of re-ordering) has been around
since the introduction of the SBC, in my opinion that problem is
magnified tremendously by the new Home-menu-or-nothing paradigm that
came along with SBS 7.4.0 and the associated firmware. All the 'My Apps'
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

aubuti;469693 Wrote: 
> This is an issue with all SqueezeOS devices (SB Controller, SB Radio, SB
> Touch). I see two major problems. One is that many useful items can only
> be on the Home Menu (set on the device itself via Settings > Home Menu),
> or nowhere at all. That means the home menu can get pretty crowded,
> which leads to problem #2, the inability to re-order menu items even on
> the Home menu.
> 
> Please vote for 'Bug 14004'
> (https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14004). You'll see from
> the comments there that a fix is in the plans, but sometimes a little
> push helps.

Voted. I guess I didn't know that since this is my first SqueezeOS
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread vw195

Yes, but Ive already received mine from LogitechSqueezebox :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Release date for Squeezebox Radio? Europe?

2009-10-09 Thread mmca22gr



I ordered, using the discount code, on the logitech.co.uk site on Wed,
using Express shipping. 
The radio was on my desk in work on Thursday morning @ 9:37am and I am
in Northern Ireland. Seems it was shipped from the Netherlands.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread aubuti

gdpeck;469648 Wrote: 
> It should be possible to re-order the menu items.
> 
> Why the @#$# can't I manage the menus from the web page???
This is an issue with all SqueezeOS devices (SB Controller, SB Radio,
SB Touch). I see two major problems. One is that many useful items can
only be on the Home Menu (set on the device itself via Settings > Home
Menu), or nowhere at all. That means the home menu can get pretty
crowded, which leads to problem #2, the inability to re-order menu items
even on the Home menu.

Please vote for 'Bug 14004'
(https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14004). You'll see from
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Ship date?

2009-10-09 Thread jay_cee_in_da_house

barbro66;469440 Wrote: 
> Another Amazon order bites the dust  just ordered from the
> slimdevices site, let's see if amazon and UPS can race each other!

Heh - you all just keep on canceling those amazon orders. Every time
that happens I get that much closer to the front of the line.

I do hope production gets ramped up here pretty soon though...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

eap;469682 Wrote: 
> I asked about this in another thread.  When the alarm fires, don't you
> get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)?  That's what is
> indicated in the wiki.
> 
> There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
> the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

The only thing I saw on the screen was the clock. The power button
didn't show me a menu or do anything until the third or fourth hit. I
didn't try to hit the big knob, maybe I should have. However, I believe
that presenting a menu, kind of misses the point of an alarm clock. When
I'm just waking up I'm bleary eyed, and don't want to focus on menu
text. I just want to press a button to shut the thing up. I'm not
talking about snooze here, because i don't use snooze. I want to be able
to punch one button, and get up knowing that the next alarm will fire,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread eap

gdpeck;469648 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> 4-Alarms. This is the very worst thing about the Radio. My wife who is
> very non-technical needs to be able to set an alarm and know that it
> will go off. She also needs to be able to just hit one button to turn
> the alarm off till the next day. When the alarm went off this morning, I
> tried just hitting the power button, which I believe should stop the
> alarm. I had to hit it 4 or 5 times. I have a LOT of issues with the way
> the alarms work. It just shouldn't be this hard.

I asked about this in another thread.  When the alarm fires, don't you
get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)?  That's what is
indicated in the wiki.

There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread dave77

gfuchs;469617 Wrote: 
> If the buttons were lit, I could see the complaint that it makes too
> much light in a dark bedroom. I remember reading a thread that indicated
> the ethernet port status lights were left off for that reason.

gdpeck;469648 Wrote: 
> 
> Lack of backlit buttons is a plus for me, and it is reasonably easy to
> find the buttons by touch orienting from the two knobs. It could have
> and should have been made easier, but it works the way it is.

Backlit buttons lit by a proximity sensor would've been nice (then fade
off after x seconds), something I would expect at the price


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio sound quality as compared to boom

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

ccrome2;469487 Wrote: 
> Sorry, I should have been clear on that.  The DAC used in Radio has a
> headphone amplifier built-in.  So, headphone usage is just dandy.  I use
> it every night that way.  Low noise floor & very clean output.  No need
> to worry.
> 
> -Caleb

Thanks for the clarification. I did a little headphone listening last
night with Sony MDR-V6s and it sounded really, really nice. Just low I'm
listening with my Westone 3s, which are pretty susceptible to noise, and
it is pretty good on them too. At first I thought it was a little hissy
at low volumes, but I think that is recording dependent.

Caleb, you and your team have every right to be proud of the work you
did on the sound on this thing. I'm totally, completely blown away by
the sound. I don't think it's a perfect device, but I have absolutely no
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gdpeck

I've had the radio for a little more than 12 hours. Here are a few first
impressions (this turned out to be pretty long):

1-Sound quality is really outstanding. This is a small bedside device,
and it sounds great through the speaker. It does a pretty good job of
making even low bit-rate streams sound good, and with good source
material (local flac files, high bit-rate radio) is fantastic. It also
sounded really nice with my Sony MDR-V6 headphones.

2-Setup. You have to be a geek to set this thing up. Fortunately I am,
but it was still frustrating. I used the remote from one of my SB3s to
enter accounts, wep-key etc, but it was still a 30 minute process. Also,
as far as I can tell, you can't edit a network connection once it
exists. Due to some wonkiness with my DHCP server, I initially had to
set a static IP address. When I tried to go back to change it, the only
way I could see to change it is to completely re-enter the network
settings. To be fair, I use a hidden SSID and 128-bit WEP key, so I
might be making things harder on myself, but the point is, it should be
easy to see and change the settings without completely starting over,
especially when it is that difficult to enter passwords.

3-Appearance and ergonomics. This is a really great looking device. I
like the LCD a lot, and I really appreciate the fact that with automatic
brightness control, it goes really dim. I have the power off screen
server set to digital clock (black), and I sleep with my face about
12-18 inches from the clock. My last clock radio spent most of its time
with the display off, because even at the lowest setting it illuminated
half the bed. The SBR was perfect in that regard. I could always see the
time, if I needed to, but the illumination never bothered me. I don't
want to rave about it too much, but for me the implementation of the lcd
screen is absolutely perfect.

Lack of backlit buttons is a plus for me, and it is reasonably easy to
find the buttons by touch orienting from the two knobs. It could have
and should have been made easier, but it works the way it is.

I don't like the menu structure. The main reason, is that it doesn't
show you what has already been set at a glance. For example, when
changing an alarm you should be able to see from the first screen, if
the alarm is on, the time and days for the alarm, and the sound that the
alarm makes. You have to go at least two levels deep to see what has
already been set. I think this could easily be fixed.

It should be possible to re-order the menu items.

Why the @#$# can't I manage the menus from the web page???

It's too hard to see which source I'm using (SBS or MSB.com). And it's
too hard to switch.

4-Alarms. This is the very worst thing about the Radio. My wife who is
very non-technical needs to be able to set an alarm and know that it
will go off. She also needs to be able to just hit one button to turn
the alarm off till the next day. When the alarm went off this morning, I
tried just hitting the power button, which I believe should stop the
alarm. I had to hit it 4 or 5 times, in a disoriented state, because I
got a different alarm than the one I thought I was getting. I have a LOT
of issues with the way the alarms work. It just shouldn't be this hard.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Mnyb

Siduhe;469620 Wrote: 
> This was discussed at length in the beta phase and lots of people feel
> the same way.  However, my understanding is that an internet connection
> is *not* needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a
> local instance of Squeezecenter running.  
> 
> 
> 
> It's just the internet stuff that requires you to use SN credentials.

Is this done yet, it was not working that way when I tried.
The setup does not point you to choose any local library before doing
the network stuff. I found no sure way to abort that.
I don't intend to try again :) if somebody tells my that it is working
i'm happy with that. I'll find out when I get my Touch .

However IMHO it should also be possible to set up localy even when an
internet connection IS present. Mr "Director of Software Product
Marketing" only says that it should revert to some kind of local setup
if it sense no internet at all.

And also if an existing squeezeboxserver >7.4 with all credentials for
network use, like my own is present. It is completely unnecessary and
tedious to setup trough the device, it could just auto register to
msb.com in the background.

So if they turn the setup procedure around it will work like a charm
FIRST ask for the local server THEN proceed to mysb.com details if
needed server could have incomplete creds or user could abort here if
services are not wanted. IF no local server is available configure
directly to mysb.com

Nobody will be confused buy a simple Q do you have a local server or
the Q could be "do you have local music files" .


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Siduhe

Mnyb;469589 Wrote: 
> It is worse you can no longer set up an completely local system
> somewhere in the process an internet link to SN is needed.

This was discussed at length in the beta phase and lots of people feel
the same way.  However, my understanding is that an internet connection
is *not* needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a
local instance of Squeezecenter running.  

the Logitech/SD "Director of Software Product Marketing" Wrote: 
> 
> You will be able to set up a Squeezebox and play local music without an
> account and without an Internet connection present.
> 
> In this scenario, the device will first attempt to connect to
> SqueezeNetwork. Since there is no Internet connection present, it will
> fail. However, if there is a SqueezeCenter instance running, you will be
> able to connect to SC.

It's just the internet stuff that requires you to use SN credentials.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread vw195

I also did not care too much for entering the mysqueezebox login
information.  That was painful, but not nearly as painful as entering my
26 letter wpa key...ouch!!

It would be nice to have backlit keys as well.  I plan on using ipeng
and slimcontrol to control the radio so its not going to be a huge deal
for me.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Release date for Squeezebox Radio? Europe?

2009-10-09 Thread shevans

noguru;469611 Wrote: 
> Has anyone in UK managed to order a red radio. Doesn't appear as option
> on website. You can have any colour as long as it is black.

I try the web-site several time a day and when it actually works
(allowing you to order) you are not offered the choice of colour. Pretty
rubbish really!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread gfuchs

JJZolx;469582 Wrote: 
> Good observations.  I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the
> buttons aren't backlit.

If the buttons were lit, I could see the complaint that it makes too
much light in a dark bedroom. I remember reading a thread that indicated
the ethernet port status lights were left off for that reason.

I've never had a clock radio with backlit buttons, but I get used to
finding them by feel when the alarm goes off.

Having backlit buttons that are normally off until you touch something
or the alarm goes off would be interesting.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Release date for Squeezebox Radio? Europe?

2009-10-09 Thread noguru

Has anyone in UK managed to order a red radio. Doesn't appear as option
on website. You can have any colour as long as it is black.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread egd

Mnyb;469589 Wrote: 
> It is worse you can no longer set up an completely local system
> somewhere in the process an internet link to SN is needed.  That is just 
> plain bloody pathetic!  I've got multiple SB3s, two Duets
(doorstoppers) and a Transporter.  None of these are Internet facing and
I see no reason for them to be.  Are these devices online toys or music
players? Forcing users to do superfluous things that have no link
whatsoever to their needs is just plain dumb, WTH???


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread Mnyb

JJZolx;469582 Wrote: 
> Good observations.  I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the
> buttons aren't backlit.  It's definitely a step backward in usability
> from the Boom.
> 
> The navigation of long lists can indeed be choppy.  Compare navigating
> albums vs. navigating artists.  The album navigation is hampered by the
> insistence on displaying the tiny artwork images, which each must be
> scaled to size.  There have been a lot of requests for an option to
> suppress all artwork, both for speed and to maximize the area available
> for text.
> 
> The required SqueezeNetwork registration is an unfortunate development
> that also plagues the Squeezebox Touch setup.  Hopefully, if users are
> vocal enough about it then it might go away.

It also plagues the duet if you use 7.4 , the controller also use use
this square peg trough round hole approach for us experienced users ,
with an existing setup :/ It is worse you can no longer set up an
completely local system somewhere in the process an internet link to SN
is needed.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread JJZolx

Good observations.  I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the
buttons aren't backlit.  It's definitely a step backward in usability
from the Boom.

The navigation of long lists can indeed be choppy.  Compare navigating
albums vs. navigating artists.  The album navigation is hampered by the
insistence on displaying the tiny artwork images, which each must be
scaled to size.  There have been a lot of requests for an option to
suppress all artwork, both for speed and to maximize the area available
for text.

The required SqueezeNetwork registration is an unfortunate development
that also plagues the Squeezebox Touch setup.  Hopefully, if users are
vocal enough about it then it might go away.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread funkstar

unclemat;469453 Wrote: 
> First sight? Upgrading software? Huh? It's no longer called firmware? I
> guess a change aimed to make it friendlier to non-geeks... evidenced
> also lack of messages such as acquiring DHCP address, etc. 
You could argue it either way from a geek point of view. The Radio runs
a linus OS with a LUA interface on top and an audio player in the back
ground. This is all labled as SqueezeOS. So yes, it is a lot more like
software than the embedded firmware of the previous generation of
players.

unclemat;469453 Wrote: 
> Also I am not too fond of the LCD.
You can't please everyone all the time :)

VFDs suck power, especially high resolution ones like in the SB3 and
Boom, so battery life would be a lot lower than with an LCD. I was
sceptical of the LCD on the Radio and Touch to begin with, but after
using it all through the Beta Program, I've come to love it, and to be
honest, the VFD on my Boom and SB3s looks pretty tired and old
fashioned.


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*2*x controller, *1*x receiver
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] First impressions.... not impressed

2009-10-09 Thread toby10

unclemat;469453 Wrote: 
> .
> Then annoyance - insisted on logging to mysqueezebox.com. It's tiresome
> to enter login info via knob (or remote)..

This was debated in the Beta Radio testing program, and I was (am) in
agreement with you.   :)
For the first time purchaser of a SB player not presently running SBS
then the current Radio initial setup model is great!
For existing SB customers running SBS it's an unnecessary routine of
needless clicks and knob turns to get Radio setup.:( 
IMveryHO  :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] SB Radio is dropping station from hardware key [1]

2009-10-09 Thread toby10

Yeah, RadioTime is down.
I think the way MySB handles the 1-6 presets (0-9 with a remote) is
simply that your first six MySB Favorites are your 1-6 presets on
Radio.
Probably redundant, but I'd re-load the FW from MySB:
Home Menu > Settings > Advanced > Software Update


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] SB Radio is dropping station from hardware key [1]

2009-10-09 Thread Punga

bpa;469533 Wrote: 
> Error 500 is an error from the station server and not the Radio.  From
> other Posts (and my own test) it seems the RadioTime server (which does
> the Search) is down

Yep, thought so too. That was just to describe what went wrong this
morning alltogether...

Cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] SB Radio is dropping station from hardware key [1]

2009-10-09 Thread bpa

Error 500 is an error from the station server and not the Radio.  From
other Posts (and my own test) it seems the RadioTime server (which does
the Search) is down


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] SB Radio is dropping station from hardware key [1]

2009-10-09 Thread Punga

Hi,

it went even worse :(

Yesterday night I checked the presets right before bedtime: All Presets
were gone, instead some of my Favorites were assigned to the
hardwarekeys. 

So I configured all hardwarekeys for new and went to bed. This morning
the station I put as preset for key [1] was duplicated onto all 6
hardwarekeys. All other presets were overwritten by that station. 

Thus I started to reconfigure the presets. Trying to use "Search" for
Radio Stations this morning gave me an "Error 500". Setting up the
preset for key [3] worked but key [1] lost it's preset in the same
moment.

Additionally the Power key works very strange: Some times SB Radio
won't react at all if pressing the power key. Some times it powers down
the radio although the power key was pressed shortly (long press should
power down the radio)...

Not very happy right now about all this issues :(

Cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Setting the alarm for 06xx

2009-10-09 Thread dsf

unclemat;469486 Wrote: 
> I see this bug, too. Being a programmer I need to admit this bug is
> quite intriguing :lol:

Ditto :) I had a look at all the lua and Perl but couldn't -quite-
figure out what populates the list of hours and makes them
(un)choosable.


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