[RBW] Re: Soliciting your opinions on a tentative A Homer Hilsen build

2010-07-12 Thread kent
I love forums where I can ask for 'whatever you think' and actually
get it! If it sounds like I'm arguing/disagreeing with anyone, that's
not the idea, just using your thoughts to fine tune my own (and it has
helped!)

Joel - I've always heard good things about the Simplex shifters. While
I wouldn't say they look better (to me) than the Silvers from what
I've seen in pictures, they do look good. I've already got a pair of
Silvers on the Bombadil so I think I'll take the advice and at least
keep an eye out for a nice set on eBay, might as well make the
comparison for myself, eh?  White Industry BB is definitely a
consideration. I'm not sure what length I'll be looking for as that
seems to be one number that isn't mentioned in the blog posts about
the Grand Cru crank.  I'm with you on the braze-ons and if you ask the
question, let us know what the response is! Though even with braze-ons
I might still stick with the original Racers rather than the Ms just
to keep my big fat tire options as open as possible. The center
mounted brakes are probably the single thing that isn't essentially
perfect about the AHH to me.  The first picture I found of the Colt
was a rear quarter view and didn't do anything for me, but the I found
more shots from better angles and that is definitely being added to
the list under consideration! The 12-36 cassette and the Noodle bar
are at the top of the list for now, thanks for the input. I've always
liked Tubus racks and the Fly would probably be a little more
functional than a Mini/Mark's rack mounted on the back, but more than
likely I'll be using the Nitto Mini off the front of my Bombadil for
this build and putting something a little more substantial in its
place for self-supported touring.  My only concern with the White (or
MKS) platform pedals is the lack of ability to vary the position of my
foot on the pedal over a long ride. Thus the idea of buying the
cheaper MKS and then upgrading if it works out well.

Patrick - I'm not familiar with the 185, from the couple of pictures I
see it looks like a Noodle without the forward sweep, would that be a
fair description?  If I go with Jack Browns it will probably be greens
as you say. When I put the blues on my list I was still thinking more
in the Bombadil/Big Dummy mode where durablbility is a bigger
concern.  As for the peddles and saddle, to each their own! Actually
I've gotten into cycling as an adult very much under the influence of
Riv and the leather saddles and platform pedals work for me, so I've
actually never used a Selle Italia or done so much as a mile with
clipless pedals. I'm sure both are excellent. =)

Michael - I would be happy to have a bike without a single Shimano
part on it (the rear  derailleur is the only one on the Bombadil,) but
I don't have strong enough feelings against them to run contrary to
Grant's suggestions and Riv's stock on parts where I don't have my own
strong feelings.  I've got a B-17 on the Bombdadil and I'm happy with
that, just thinking that something sleeker would suit the look of the
AHH a little better. As for 8 speeds vs 9, I have no dog in the
fight... I've got 7 on the Bombadil with the Rivvy hub and that's been
enough. It's just that the range of those two cassettes sounds very
nice, especially if I'm going to be running just two rings up front.

William - You're probably right about 32 spokes being sufficient on
what will essentially be a road bike (though it will see some trails.)
Part of the reason I'm tending toward overbuilding is that I want 36
spokes on my Big Dummy wheels and can't (without custom drillling)
because the Rohloff hub doesn't come that way.  I will also keep the
short cage suggestion in mind and see what Riv thinks on that point.

Ryan - There you go making my Noodle/Rando decision harder again. =)
The Grand Cru post looks like it doesn't give up a thing to the Nitto
pieces and that's probably a good place to save a few pennies without
giving up anything in either the style or function department. The FSA
FD looks like a good option, I'll have to make some inquiries about
what might fit best.

Thanks again all, and any more thoughts are more than welcome.

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[RBW] Soggy, slimy grips

2010-07-12 Thread kent
When I first got my Bombadil this past winter it had cloth  twine
over cork tape on the ends of the Bullmoose bars.  I left the grips un-
shellac'ed partly because I was lazy about picking up the shellac and
partly because I wanted to be sure I was happy with the setup before
making it a bit more of a project to change anything about the bars.
Well, I am happy with them as they are, but after a good bit of warm,
humid weather riding including a week's worth of full days in the
saddle last month they seem to be permanently a bit damp with sweat.
Will it hurt anything to shellac them as they are or should I make an
effort to dry them out as best possible first?

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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread EricP
Steve - yup.  Never ridden more than 85 at one clip before.
MichaelH - rode 27 on the Sam Hillborne yesterday.  Had to see how the
new setup is working.

Bill C. - the Gateway trail out and back, down the Vento to Point
Douglas Trail, down around Grey Cloud Island, across the 494 bridge,
South St. Paul trail, Big River Trail, Mendota Bridge, Ft. Snelling
trail (stop at Hiawatha), West River Road to downtown, Stone Arch
Bridge, Intercampus Bikeway and home.

Jeremy - The Woodchippers are my favorite bar right now.  Even better
than the Noodle.  At least with the bars up high.  The drops seem to
be a natural position and are great for climbing.

Oh, and it was totally unsupported and solo.  Figured no one else
would want to hear any possible whining in case things didn't go well.

New goal - century on the Hillborne.  Hopefully this year. (Or maybe,
just possibly, stretch it to a 200k).

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jul 11, 4:54 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 14:32 -0700, EricP wrote:
  Rode a century yesterday.  Unfortunately, for the purposes of this
  list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne.  A couple of issues (mostly
  resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice.

 Is this your first?

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[RBW] Re: why hobo bags rock

2010-07-12 Thread EricP
Another one who loves the Hobo.  In fact, have two of 'em.  Agree that
if they did them again, would probably buy another.  Especially a
Sackville version.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jul 11, 5:36 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 I was at the farmers market today loading my two dozen eggs into the
 trusty old carradice hobo bag (riv 
 prototype):http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4784592120/
 with the bike leaned up against a sign poll.  As I switched to loading
 the balance of the veggies in the rear longflap the bike slid and took
 a full dump, ringing the bell, fender re-alignment, sctraped up brake
 lever, the whole deal.  Fearing the worst i pulled the eggs back out
 and inspected, that way I could buy more as needed.  To my delight not
 a single egg broken.  Having the bag suspended between the bars is
 fantastic, and as if the fact that it holds two dozen eggs is not
 enough to make it super cool.

 What a day

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[RBW] Re: where is that lake?

2010-07-12 Thread Angus
Hubs...

On 11 July, 21:12, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like Mr. Trout has a secret lake where one is able to catch
 cranksets on light tackle?  what else lies beneath these waters?

 Rob

 On Jul 11, 3:04 pm, mr.trout ianet...@yahoo.com wrote:



  i love the way mine feels with a high light load. it has the feel of a
  classic sport touring bike. i usually keep it around 10lbs or so and
  easily make my way trough lanes of downtown chicago traffic. i have a
  9cm stem and about a cm of drop.

  here it 
  is.http://lh3.ggpht.com/_l9eHXUIfy2I/TDdOF97ob3I/AwY/mSsPLSR62kE...

  On Jul 11, 1:01 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

   Axshually, nope. Pure neophyte. I'll experiment with gallon milk jugs full
   of water.

   Patrick me likum Confucius Moore

   On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, carnerda...@bellsouth.net 

   carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Have you determined the actual weight you will be carrying on tour?  
Once
that is set perhaps you could find a point of balance that optimizes the
handling of your SH?
To go beyond is as wrong as to fall short. Confucius

PATRICK MOORE wrote:

Inaugural ride -- yes, brief; 11-12 m rt to grocery store and PO and 
back
-- with, upon return, a total of 10 lb, including panniers themselves, 
slung
low on the Tara. So: what is my initial impression after, granted, no 
more
than six miles?

 1. 10 lb does not seem to materially help front end stability; the bike
still has the slight wandering feeling so absent from my other Rivs. 
This
on the straight and levels. I did not have a chance to test it up a 12%
grade in a sub 30 gear.

 2. Turning is more cumbersome: one virtue of the Sam Hill is that, when
you lean, it turns. With the 10 lb, steering is definitely slower and
requires more conscious input.

 So, I assume that some bikes are just not as front load friendly as
others? I must add 10 to 20 more lbs in front to try out a real load. 
And,
of course, put on more front loaded miles before I conclude with 
finality.
But I suspect that this bike, as my Motobecane, really prefers rear 
loads.
No?

   http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#54924133109236...

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[RBW] Re: Soggy, slimy grips

2010-07-12 Thread Angus
Shellac is not entirely moisture proof...

If it were me I would put them in the sun for a while to dry them out.

Angus

On 12 July, 03:26, kent broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I first got my Bombadil this past winter it had cloth  twine
 over cork tape on the ends of the Bullmoose bars.  I left the grips un-
 shellac'ed partly because I was lazy about picking up the shellac and
 partly because I wanted to be sure I was happy with the setup before
 making it a bit more of a project to change anything about the bars.
 Well, I am happy with them as they are, but after a good bit of warm,
 humid weather riding including a week's worth of full days in the
 saddle last month they seem to be permanently a bit damp with sweat.
 Will it hurt anything to shellac them as they are or should I make an
 effort to dry them out as best possible first?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front loading ...???

2010-07-12 Thread Ken Freeman
I think this suggests that the Sam Hill does not have the geometrical
features that Jan and many others would think are better for accommodating a
front load, at least an over-wheel front load.

The trail of a 60 cm SH is 59 mm and the flop (rise/fall) is 17.4 mm.  Bikes
that have been noted (by Jan and others) as having better handling with
front loads have rather lower trail and flop numbers.  Rather than navigate
the intricacies farther, I'll leave it at that.

OTOH, some claim to have found that actual geometry matters a lot less than
does the stability of the front bag.

After my experiments with my Woodrup, I wonder it it isn't enough to make
sure the front load isn't swinging, and that the center of gravity of the
added load is behind the front axle.

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting post. I was particularly struck by this:

  Suffice to say that the effect of the front load on the steering can be
 harnessed to make a bicycle handle better with a front load than without,
 but only if the bike’s geometry is suitable for a front load. *Such a
 touring bike, fully loaded, handles as well as a good racing bike, whether
 cornering hard, riding no- hands (not recommended, of course), or climbing
 out of the saddle*. (Emphasis added.)

 But on the Sam Hill -- he said expertly, having ridden with a light front
 load fully 6 miles -- just the opposite obtains: turns are harder to
 initiate, the bike wants to track wide, and it feels a bit squirrely in the
 corner; all this compared to a load (much heavier, too) on a very stiff and
 low slung Tubus Logo. So I conclude (to be confirmed, I will guess, by more
 front load riding) that the SH is best with rear loads and only light ones
 in front. We'll see.

 I know that touristo extraordinaire Craig Montgomery said onlist that a
 well designed and well loaded touring bike will handle impeccably (I am
 paraphrasing, not quoting); and perhaps the Sam Hill is just not the optimum
 tourer. But it will certainly do well enough.

 I am consoled that, on my two remaining Riv customs (fixies both), the
 butt-back, long rear-center, shortish front-center handling with skinny,
 short wheels, is wonderful.


 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, muckum toddjeffr...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 You may want to read this article on loads. It may help your
 configuration.


 http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/display_resource.cfm?file=200906_MechanicalAdvantage_Heine.pdf




 On Jul 10, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Inaugural ride -- yes, brief; 11-12 m rt to grocery store and PO and
 back --
  with, upon return, a total of 10 lb, including panniers themselves,
 slung
  low on the Tara. So: what is my initial impression after, granted, no
 more
  than six miles?
 
  1. 10 lb does not seem to materially help front end stability; the bike
  still has the slight wandering feeling so absent from my other Rivs.
 This
  on the straight and levels. I did not have a chance to test it up a 12%
  grade in a sub 30 gear.
 
  2. Turning is more cumbersome: one virtue of the Sam Hill is that, when
 you
  lean, it turns. With the 10 lb, steering is definitely slower and
 requires
  more conscious input.
 
  So, I assume that some bikes are just not as front load friendly as
 others?
  I must add 10 to 20 more lbs in front to try out a real load. And, of
  course, put on more front loaded miles before I conclude with finality.
 But
  I suspect that this bike, as my Motobecane, really prefers rear loads.
 No?
 
  http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#54924133109236.
 ..
 
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  Albuquerque, NM
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  Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Angus
I agree with Doug, those lugs looks very simple for an early
Rivendell.

IIRC the Road Standards had the Richard Sachs designed lugs other
models hand different, simplier (but not his simple?) lugs.

Angus

On 11 July, 23:16, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joe,

 I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain
 lugs.  There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown,
 as the initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ
 crowns.  Even the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my
 knowledge.  Most curious...

 Doug



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
   I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway,
  if you look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that
  have paint jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I
  distinctly remember one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell
  head tube and lugfill. And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame
  and then put Riv decals on it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no
  longer controls the paint job style choices so if it's a second paintjob,
  that would also explain the difference.

  I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It
  would seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv
  would likely not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply.
  It might have just been a road frame.

  Joe

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  Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

  I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
  JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

  Doug

  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

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  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front loading ...???

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 08:31 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
 OTOH, some claim to have found that actual geometry matters a lot less
 than does the stability of the front bag.  
 
 After my experiments with my Woodrup, I wonder it it isn't enough to
 make sure the front load isn't swinging, and that the center of
 gravity of the added load is behind the front axle.

Certainly a swinging front load and placement in front of the axle are
sufficiently bad enough as to overwhelm subtle nuances.



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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread Mike
Hey Eric, big congrats on doing your first century. Will you try to do
another one, on the Sam perhaps, before the end of summer? Isn't it
great having all that time on the bike? I love it. I also love the
mixture of physical fatigue and emotional bliss I feel as I arrive
home.

I've done quite a few centuries solo and with friends (and a number of
brevets) but never an organized century. And although I did a 600k in
May I haven't been able to get out for a century this summer yet. A
friend and I headed out for a big 300k ride of our own design a few
weeks back which was cut short when he had a horrific and spectacular
high speed collision with a guard rail resulting in a trip to the ER
via helicopter and a stay in the ICU. Fortunately he's gonna be okay.
I'm in DC dealing with family tragedy right now but when I return to
Portland I'll be back on the bike and plan on doing a couple of
centuries, including one pedaling free (platform pedals) and also a
camping trip or two in which I cover 100 miles each day. We'll see
what happens. I do love all the time on the bike and the solitude.
I'd also like to do a century on my Quickbeam.

Thanks for sharing the photos and again, congratulations on your first
century.

--mike

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[RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread J. Douglas Way

Hi-

Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a 
weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a 
few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only 
mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the 
first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may 
be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly 
assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it 
sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:  
Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end 
shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse 
saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.


Pics are here on Flickr:

http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a 
saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and 
Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag 
on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a 
bag matcher...


Doug Way
Boulder, CO


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[RBW] Clip 'n' strap shoes, MKS pedal/clip/strap/button combo.

2010-07-12 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Patiently and politely waiting until James made his sales: I, too, have some
nice clip 'n' strap shoes to sell.  Vittoria fleece lined winter shoes with
added rubber (ie, non-cleat) soles and heel, $50 shipped. Sidi cleated
shoes, also $50 shipped. These look better than in the photo, where they
look dusty and crumpled; they are actually as nice as the Vittorias.

Also: RX-1 track pedals with Soma clips, Ale straps and Toei buttons, $50
shipped.

CONUS only, please. OK, Canada too, for additional postage.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Front loading ...???

2010-07-12 Thread Ken Freeman
Stabilizing the front load and moving it back changed the Woodrup from a no
bar bag no way to I think i can ride this thing.)

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 08:31 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
  OTOH, some claim to have found that actual geometry matters a lot less
  than does the stability of the front bag.
 
  After my experiments with my Woodrup, I wonder it it isn't enough to
  make sure the front load isn't swinging, and that the center of
  gravity of the added load is behind the front axle.

 Certainly a swinging front load and placement in front of the axle are
 sufficiently bad enough as to overwhelm subtle nuances.



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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread Esteban
Congrats, Eric!

You've given me a great idea: plan a ride that ends with a nap under a
tree.

The extra miles between a century and a 200K is purely mental.  The
best part about a bit of distance is getting to spent the whole day on
the bike: clear the schedule, clear the mind.  Rivs are especially
comfortable for the long haul.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'll be back on the bike and plan on doing a couple of
  centuries, including one pedaling free (platform pedals)

 I've done 2 centuries this year (mostly gravel), both using Grip King
 pedals and my usual sneakers, and i didn't notice any real difference
 on the ride from earlier road centuries while clipped in. No foot
 problems at all. I'm planning to ride this weekend's century the same
 way.

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Re: [RBW] Clip 'n' strap shoes, MKS pedal/clip/strap/button combo.

2010-07-12 Thread PATRICK MOORE
44s but narrow; will best fit 9 - 9.5 US. A bit too tight for my size 10s.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

 what sizes?

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:02 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 Patiently and politely waiting until James made his sales: I, too, have
 some nice clip 'n' strap shoes to sell.  Vittoria fleece lined winter shoes
 with added rubber (ie, non-cleat) soles and heel, $50 shipped. Sidi cleated
 shoes, also $50 shipped. These look better than in the photo, where they
 look dusty and crumpled; they are actually as nice as the Vittorias.

 Also: RX-1 track pedals with Soma clips, Ale straps and Toei buttons, $50
 shipped.

 CONUS only, please. OK, Canada too, for additional postage.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Front loading ...???

2010-07-12 Thread Ken Freeman
you can see it by leaning the bike against a wall and looking at the bike
from the side, standing back a bit.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For record, my front loads are carried in Ortlieb Sports (I think that's
 the model; like the Packer except about 5/8 size) on Tara lowriders, so they
 are pretty well secured. I don't think that the Tara puts the load behind
 the front axle, though.

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

 Stabilizing the front load and moving it back changed the Woodrup from a
 no bar bag no way to I think i can ride this thing.)


 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.comwrote:

 On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 08:31 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
  OTOH, some claim to have found that actual geometry matters a lot less
  than does the stability of the front bag.
 
  After my experiments with my Woodrup, I wonder it it isn't enough to
  make sure the front load isn't swinging, and that the center of
  gravity of the added load is behind the front axle.

 Certainly a swinging front load and placement in front of the axle are
 sufficiently bad enough as to overwhelm subtle nuances.



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RE: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Joe Bartoe

Yep, you're right. Even the earliest Rivs that I can find like Chris Kostman's 
'95 All-Rounder have more ornate lugs compared to the E-bay bike, and these are 
much less ornate than more contemporary Rivs. 

The ebay bike owner should give the serial number. Has anyone tried asking for 
it to verify if it's a real serial number for a Riv. You can almost see it in 
thepics, but it's a bit blurry.

Joe

From: dvancl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:16:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Joe,

I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain lugs. 
 There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown, as the 
initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ crowns.  Even 
the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my knowledge.  Most 
curious...



Doug


On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:







I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway, if you 
look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that have paint 
jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I distinctly remember 
one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell head tube and lugfill. 
And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame and then put Riv decals on 
it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no longer controls the paint job 
style choices so if it's a second paintjob, that would also explain the 
difference.



I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It would 
seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv would likely 
not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply. It might have 
just been a road frame.



Joe

From: dvancl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com



I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but JB 
wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

Doug


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Almost forgot 




http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw














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Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
Subject: Odd small Riv on Ebay


Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on 
this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle 
bosses seam oddly placed. 



Any thoughts?Trevor





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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread rperks
looks like a really nice day to ride, not to hot, a little breeze,
what more could you want.  Thanks for the pics

On Jul 11, 2:32 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Rode a century yesterday.  Unfortunately, for the purposes of this
 list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne.  A couple of issues (mostly
 resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice.

 Didn't die, get overly sick or fall asleep under a tree.  Although the
 last might have been fun.  Only downsides were getting stung on the
 leg when something got caught in my MUSA shorts, and a flat.  The
 latter happened just as I was rolling home.  Rode down the hill to our
 place on the rim.

 Photos here -http://tinyurl.com/333zafe

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Bruce
The serial # would be informative





From: Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 7:20:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but JB 
wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

Doug



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Almost forgot 


http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw






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Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
Subject: Odd small Riv on Ebay


Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on 
this 
bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle bosses 
seam oddly placed. 
Any thoughts?
Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread trevor segraves
Its not the paint which throws me off but rather the simple lugs, and Henry 
fork 
crown, never seen such a model.




From: Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 5:29:39 PM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

 I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of lie to disagree. Anyway, if you 
look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that have paint 
jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I distinctly remember 
one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell head tube and lugfill. 
And 
no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame and then put Riv decals on it. 
Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no longer controls the paint job 
style 
choices so if it's a second paintjob, that would also explain the difference.

I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It would 
seem that any Rive owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv would likely 
not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply. It might have 
just 
been a road frame.

Joe


From: dvancl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but JB 
wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

Doug



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Almost forgot 


http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw






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Subject: Odd small Riv on Ebay


Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on 
this 
bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle bosses 
seam oddly placed. 
Any thoughts?
Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Bruce
The frame looks kind of Bridgestone-y, although it seems to have fillet brazed 
rear dropouts, and I think B-stone used the button style.

I see it was no longer for sale this AM. Perhaps a local buyer picked it up.





From: Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:53:17 AM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

 Yep, you're right. Even the earliest Rivs that I can find like Chris Kostman's 
'95 All-Rounder have more ornate lugs compared to the E-bay bike, and these are 
much less ornate than more contemporary Rivs. 


The ebay bike owner should give the serial number. Has anyone tried asking for 
it to verify if it's a real serial number for a Riv. You can almost see it in 
thepics, but it's a bit blurry.

Joe


From: dvancl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:16:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Joe,

I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain lugs. 
 
There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown, as the 
initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ crowns.  Even 
the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my knowledge.  Most 
curious...

Doug



On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway, if you 
look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that have paint 
jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I distinctly remember 
one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell head tube and lugfill. 
And 
no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame and then put Riv decals on it. 
Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no longer controls the paint job 
style 
choices so if it's a second paintjob, that would also explain the difference.

I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It would 
seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv would likely 
not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply. It might have 
just 
been a road frame.

Joe


From: dvancl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but JB 
wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

Doug



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Almost forgot 


http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw






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Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
Subject: Odd small Riv on Ebay


Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on 
this 
bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle bosses 
seam oddly placed. 
Any thoughts?
Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread cyclotourist
That was worth de-cloaking for!

Awesome his/hers Roadeos!

Nice campground, too!

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

 I used to live in Boulder, seeing your photos makes me rather
 nostalgic.  Hottest day of the year is relative of course, in Tucson
 during the summer almost every day is hot.  I miss the cooler weather
 that was more common in Boulder (of course I do remember a few days
 that were near a 100 degrees in July when I lived in Boulder).  By the
 way, here's the weather statistics for Tucson this June:

 http://www.accuweather.com/us/az/tucson/85701/forecast-month.asp?mnyr=6-01-2010

 Jim Cloud
 Tucson, AZ

 On Jul 12, 6:40 am, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote:
  Hi-
 
  Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
  weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
  few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
  mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
  first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
  be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
  assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
  sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:
  Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end
  shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
  saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.
 
  Pics are here on Flickr:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2davafh
 
  Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
  saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
  Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
  on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
  bag matcher...
 
  Doug Way
  Boulder, CO

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread J. Douglas Way

Jim-

Yep, on the Boulder to Ft. Collins day, the high temp was only 100 °F, 
which looks like a cooler day for you.  What can I say, we're wimps!


Doug

On 7/12/10 8:40 AM, Jim Cloud wrote:

I used to live in Boulder, seeing your photos makes me rather
nostalgic.  Hottest day of the year is relative of course, in Tucson
during the summer almost every day is hot.  I miss the cooler weather
that was more common in Boulder (of course I do remember a few days
that were near a 100 degrees in July when I lived in Boulder).  By the
way, here's the weather statistics for Tucson this June:
http://www.accuweather.com/us/az/tucson/85701/forecast-month.asp?mnyr=6-01-2010

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 12, 6:40 am, J. Douglas Wayd...@mines.edu  wrote:
   

Hi-

Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:  
Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end

shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.

Pics are here on Flickr:

http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
bag matcher...

Doug Way
Boulder, CO
 
   


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Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread CycloFiend
on 7/12/10 8:53 AM, Joe Bartoe at jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
 The ebay bike owner should give the serial number. Has anyone tried asking for
 it to verify if it's a real serial number for a Riv. You can almost see it in
 thepics, but it's a bit blurry.


I asked, but haven't/didn't hear back.

The auction has ended, and when I looked at it to begin with, there had been
three bids.  Ended with zero, so he must have found a local buyer in OH.

It's hard to say from the image whether the decal is on under a clearcoat.
If not, the decal wasn't necesarily applied during the repaint.

Yep, that's an odd one...

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 59 cm

2010-07-12 Thread Forrest
Couple extra details I forgot to include . . .

The stem is a Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 110mm.

Crank arm length is 175.

-- Forrest

On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:
 Selling my 59cm A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it for two years, and I am
 the second owner. The first owner told me it was from the first run at
 Waterford. Not really doubting that fellow, but I wouldn't know how to
 verify that empirically. That never mattered to me that much. The
 cutouts on the side of the fork crown are more like that of the
 Rambouillet, which I think was true for some early models.

 Bunch of pics here:http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100087

 Nothing at all wrong with this bike -- never crashed, no dents, bends,
 or terrible scrapes. Normal wear and tear, a couple very minor paint
 chips here and there. In fact I really liked this bike a whole bunch
 and maybe shouldn't be selling it, but I allow myself two bikes at any
 one time, and now I have a Sam Hillborne and a Rivendell LongLow, so
 Homer must find a new home.

 Looking for $2,000 for the complete bike, and that includes shipping
 in CONUSA.

 Some specs below, but not exhaustive. Happy to try to answer any/all
 questions off-list from those interested.

 Wheels: Built by Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery -- 32-hole Salsa Delgado
 rims, Shimano Deore LX hubs.

 Tires:  Specialized Armadillo 28s on there now, but I also will
 include a pair of Schwalbe Marathon XR 37s.

 Ultegra headset

 H-bars:  Nitto Noodle 46cm, wrapped in cloth tape that has been
 shellacked and twined.

 Campy non-areo brake levers with gum hoods.

 The Tektro equivalent to the Silver long-reach brakes.

 Suntour power ratchet bar-end shifters.

 Nitto frog two-bolt seatpost.

 Well-broken-in Brooks B-17 honey Champion Special saddle (included the
 water-resistant bonnet for it).

 Shimano Ultegra front derailer

 Shimano 105 rear derailer

 12-28 rear cassette

 Shimano 105 triple road crank (no pedals) -- 48/38/30 -- with Octalink
 bottom bracket

 Two King steel water bottle cages.

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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 59 cm

2010-07-12 Thread William
Try to resist.  Try hard to resist.

On Jul 12, 10:04 am, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:
 Couple extra details I forgot to include . . .

 The stem is a Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 110mm.

 Crank arm length is 175.

 -- Forrest

 On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

  Selling my 59cm A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it for two years, and I am
  the second owner. The first owner told me it was from the first run at
  Waterford. Not really doubting that fellow, but I wouldn't know how to
  verify that empirically. That never mattered to me that much. The
  cutouts on the side of the fork crown are more like that of the
  Rambouillet, which I think was true for some early models.

  Bunch of pics here:http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100087

  Nothing at all wrong with this bike -- never crashed, no dents, bends,
  or terrible scrapes. Normal wear and tear, a couple very minor paint
  chips here and there. In fact I really liked this bike a whole bunch
  and maybe shouldn't be selling it, but I allow myself two bikes at any
  one time, and now I have a Sam Hillborne and a Rivendell LongLow, so
  Homer must find a new home.

  Looking for $2,000 for the complete bike, and that includes shipping
  in CONUSA.

  Some specs below, but not exhaustive. Happy to try to answer any/all
  questions off-list from those interested.

  Wheels: Built by Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery -- 32-hole Salsa Delgado
  rims, Shimano Deore LX hubs.

  Tires:  Specialized Armadillo 28s on there now, but I also will
  include a pair of Schwalbe Marathon XR 37s.

  Ultegra headset

  H-bars:  Nitto Noodle 46cm, wrapped in cloth tape that has been
  shellacked and twined.

  Campy non-areo brake levers with gum hoods.

  The Tektro equivalent to the Silver long-reach brakes.

  Suntour power ratchet bar-end shifters.

  Nitto frog two-bolt seatpost.

  Well-broken-in Brooks B-17 honey Champion Special saddle (included the
  water-resistant bonnet for it).

  Shimano Ultegra front derailer

  Shimano 105 rear derailer

  12-28 rear cassette

  Shimano 105 triple road crank (no pedals) -- 48/38/30 -- with Octalink
  bottom bracket

  Two King steel water bottle cages.



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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread RoadieRyan
Eric

Chapeau!!  I haven't done a century in about 3 years so hats off to
you.  I did my own Populaire/Metric century on Saturday (100k).  A
poor mans version of your real Century ride.

I did a Populaire last year but finished well out of the 7 hour time
limit much too my disappointment.  This year I was able to do it in
5.5 hours total -must be the steel bike ;-), or maybe it was my buddy
trading pulls with me.  If you can do the 100 miler then I say go for
it and do the 200k.  I have to imagine there is a group of crazy
Randonneurs in your neck of woods putting on 200k rides  http://www.rusa.org/

Just Curious, How do you like the disc brake setup on the fargo and
how does it compare to the brakes on your SamH?

Look forward to your SamH long ride report.

Ryan
W. Seattle

On Jul 11, 3:48 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 looks like a really nice day to ride, not to hot, a little breeze,
 what more could you want.  Thanks for the pics

 On Jul 11, 2:32 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

  Rode a century yesterday.  Unfortunately, for the purposes of this
  list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne.  A couple of issues (mostly
  resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice.

  Didn't die, get overly sick or fall asleep under a tree.  Although the
  last might have been fun.  Only downsides were getting stung on the
  leg when something got caught in my MUSA shorts, and a flat.  The
  latter happened just as I was rolling home.  Rode down the hill to our
  place on the rim.

  Photos here -http://tinyurl.com/333zafe

  Eric Platt
  St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread RoadieRyan
Nice shots, do two Roadeo's together get referred to as Roadii?

If I hadn't known better I would have thought your photos were from
Eastern Washington around Winthrop strikingly similar country.  Thanks
for reminding me I need to get out on a S240 myself in the next few
months!

On Jul 12, 6:40 am, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote:
 Hi-

 Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
 weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
 few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
 mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
 first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
 be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
 assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
 sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:  
 Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end
 shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
 saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.

 Pics are here on Flickr:

 http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

 Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
 saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
 Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
 on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
 bag matcher...

 Doug Way
 Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread JoelMatthews
 Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it sports Albatross bars.

I can see doing this.  A great idea.

The Roadeo look pretty cool together.  Glad you had fun, blast furnace
notwithstanding.  I am slowly getting used to the very hot weather we
have been having in Chicago the past three weeks or so.

On Jul 12, 8:40 am, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote:
 Hi-

 Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
 weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
 few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
 mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
 first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
 be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
 assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
 sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:  
 Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end
 shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
 saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.

 Pics are here on Flickr:

 http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

 Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
 saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
 Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
 on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
 bag matcher...

 Doug Way
 Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Rodeo (not Roadeo) jersey

2010-07-12 Thread ANDREW LETTON
http://www.bonktown.com/?CMP_ID=ODAL_FFP9001mv_pc=r1005

;-)

Andrew

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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 59 cm

2010-07-12 Thread Forrest
Resistance is futile (at least, in my experience).  -- fm


On Jul 12, 12:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Try to resist.  Try hard to resist.

 On Jul 12, 10:04 am, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

  Couple extra details I forgot to include . . .

  The stem is a Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 110mm.

  Crank arm length is 175.

  -- Forrest

  On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

   Selling my 59cm A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it for two years, and I am
   the second owner. The first owner told me it was from the first run at
   Waterford. Not really doubting that fellow, but I wouldn't know how to
   verify that empirically. That never mattered to me that much. The
   cutouts on the side of the fork crown are more like that of the
   Rambouillet, which I think was true for some early models.

   Bunch of pics here:http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100087

   Nothing at all wrong with this bike -- never crashed, no dents, bends,
   or terrible scrapes. Normal wear and tear, a couple very minor paint
   chips here and there. In fact I really liked this bike a whole bunch
   and maybe shouldn't be selling it, but I allow myself two bikes at any
   one time, and now I have a Sam Hillborne and a Rivendell LongLow, so
   Homer must find a new home.

   Looking for $2,000 for the complete bike, and that includes shipping
   in CONUSA.

   Some specs below, but not exhaustive. Happy to try to answer any/all
   questions off-list from those interested.

   Wheels: Built by Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery -- 32-hole Salsa Delgado
   rims, Shimano Deore LX hubs.

   Tires:  Specialized Armadillo 28s on there now, but I also will
   include a pair of Schwalbe Marathon XR 37s.

   Ultegra headset

   H-bars:  Nitto Noodle 46cm, wrapped in cloth tape that has been
   shellacked and twined.

   Campy non-areo brake levers with gum hoods.

   The Tektro equivalent to the Silver long-reach brakes.

   Suntour power ratchet bar-end shifters.

   Nitto frog two-bolt seatpost.

   Well-broken-in Brooks B-17 honey Champion Special saddle (included the
   water-resistant bonnet for it).

   Shimano Ultegra front derailer

   Shimano 105 rear derailer

   12-28 rear cassette

   Shimano 105 triple road crank (no pedals) -- 48/38/30 -- with Octalink
   bottom bracket

   Two King steel water bottle cages.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Frederick, Steve
They almost look like Bridgestone lugs.  I wonder if the head lugs were 
abbreviated because of the bike's small size?

Steve

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Angus
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay


I agree with Doug, those lugs looks very simple for an early
Rivendell.

IIRC the Road Standards had the Richard Sachs designed lugs other
models hand different, simplier (but not his simple?) lugs.

Angus

On 11 July, 23:16, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joe,

 I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain
 lugs.  There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown,
 as the initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ
 crowns.  Even the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my
 knowledge.  Most curious...

 Doug



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
   I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway,
  if you look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that
  have paint jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I
  distinctly remember one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell
  head tube and lugfill. And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame
  and then put Riv decals on it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no
  longer controls the paint job style choices so if it's a second paintjob,
  that would also explain the difference.

  I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It
  would seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv
  would likely not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply.
  It might have just been a road frame.

  Joe

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  From: dvancl...@gmail.com
  Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

  I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
  JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

  Doug

  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

  - Forwarded Message 
  *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
  *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
  Trevor- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: new (to me) Riv LongLow

2010-07-12 Thread Ken Yokanovich
Nice!  Perhaps I will see you somewhere between Sioux City, IA and
about Charles City, IA.  Will be riding my Atlantis self supported
from the Twin Cities.  Leaving sometime next Thursday.  Indeed,
RAGBRAI should be fun!

On Jul 11, 10:04 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:
 59 cm -- very recently acquired from the original owner. Built in 1999
 by Joe Starck; paint by Joe Bell. Lovely, nimble, smooth ride (no
 surprise there). I've got two weeks for final tweaks to the set-up
 before taking it on RAGBRAI (http://ragbrai.com/). Should be fun!

 A few pics taken during today's ride (only the second one on this
 bike):http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100095

 -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: new (to me) Riv LongLow

2010-07-12 Thread Forrest
I will look for you, Ken! The rest of my team is from the Twin Cities
and Northfield, MN. I'm planning on Algona to Dubuque (5 days).

On Jul 12, 2:09 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Nice!  Perhaps I will see you somewhere between Sioux City, IA and
 about Charles City, IA.  Will be riding my Atlantis self supported
 from the Twin Cities.  Leaving sometime next Thursday.  Indeed,
 RAGBRAI should be fun!

 On Jul 11, 10:04 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

  59 cm -- very recently acquired from the original owner. Built in 1999
  by Joe Starck; paint by Joe Bell. Lovely, nimble, smooth ride (no
  surprise there). I've got two weeks for final tweaks to the set-up
  before taking it on RAGBRAI (http://ragbrai.com/). Should be fun!

  A few pics taken during today's ride (only the second one on this
  bike):http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100095

  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 59 cm

2010-07-12 Thread Frankwurst
Let me know how that works out William and how you do it if it does.
Never works for me.

On Jul 12, 12:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Try to resist.  Try hard to resist.

 On Jul 12, 10:04 am, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:



  Couple extra details I forgot to include . . .

  The stem is a Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 110mm.

  Crank arm length is 175.

  -- Forrest

  On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

   Selling my 59cm A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it for two years, and I am
   the second owner. The first owner told me it was from the first run at
   Waterford. Not really doubting that fellow, but I wouldn't know how to
   verify that empirically. That never mattered to me that much. The
   cutouts on the side of the fork crown are more like that of the
   Rambouillet, which I think was true for some early models.

   Bunch of pics here:http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100087

   Nothing at all wrong with this bike -- never crashed, no dents, bends,
   or terrible scrapes. Normal wear and tear, a couple very minor paint
   chips here and there. In fact I really liked this bike a whole bunch
   and maybe shouldn't be selling it, but I allow myself two bikes at any
   one time, and now I have a Sam Hillborne and a Rivendell LongLow, so
   Homer must find a new home.

   Looking for $2,000 for the complete bike, and that includes shipping
   in CONUSA.

   Some specs below, but not exhaustive. Happy to try to answer any/all
   questions off-list from those interested.

   Wheels: Built by Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery -- 32-hole Salsa Delgado
   rims, Shimano Deore LX hubs.

   Tires:  Specialized Armadillo 28s on there now, but I also will
   include a pair of Schwalbe Marathon XR 37s.

   Ultegra headset

   H-bars:  Nitto Noodle 46cm, wrapped in cloth tape that has been
   shellacked and twined.

   Campy non-areo brake levers with gum hoods.

   The Tektro equivalent to the Silver long-reach brakes.

   Suntour power ratchet bar-end shifters.

   Nitto frog two-bolt seatpost.

   Well-broken-in Brooks B-17 honey Champion Special saddle (included the
   water-resistant bonnet for it).

   Shimano Ultegra front derailer

   Shimano 105 rear derailer

   12-28 rear cassette

   Shimano 105 triple road crank (no pedals) -- 48/38/30 -- with Octalink
   bottom bracket

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Re: [RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 10:51 -0700, RoadieRyan wrote:
 
 Chapeau!!  I haven't done a century in about 3 years so hats off to
 you.  I did my own Populaire/Metric century on Saturday (100k).  A
 poor mans version of your real Century ride.

Not all populaires are created equal.  A couple of years ago DC
Randonneurs hosted one on a rainy day in April or May with over 6,000
feet of climbing up in the Catoctin Mountains; this year the populaire
was on Jan 23 - and we had quite a hard winter.  No kindler, gentler
populaires here!  



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Re: [RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread nawrock


I was stopped at a red light as you two were crossing Shields on Harmony.  You 
must have just descended from the reservoir.  I am the guy who yelled out the 
window of his car Nice bikes!  I think your wife heard me because she waved 
but you were busy battling the heat.  That was a scorcher day. 



Great to see the pix of the roads I ride posted on the list.  I love the 
waterfall at the treatment plant in Loveland and doing the whole loop in that 
valley.  The store in Masonville is nice too.  Cant wait to get my Rodeo! 



Dave Nawrocki 

Fort Collins, CO 

- Original Message - 
From: J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:40:10 AM 
Subject: [RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report 

Hi- 

Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a 
weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a 
few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only 
mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the 
first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may 
be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly 
assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it 
sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:   
Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end 
shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse 
saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires. 

Pics are here on Flickr: 

http://tinyurl.com/2davafh 

Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a 
saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and 
Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag 
on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a 
bag matcher... 

Doug Way 
Boulder, CO 


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Fort Collins, CO 

- Original Message - 
From: J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:40:10 AM 
Subject: [RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report 

Hi- 

Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a 
weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a 
few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only 
mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the 
first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may 
be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly 
assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it 
sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:   
Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end 
shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse 
saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires. 

Pics are here on Flickr: 

http://tinyurl.com/2davafh 

Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a 
saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and 
Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag 
on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a 
bag matcher... 

Doug Way 
Boulder, CO 


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Re: [RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread J. Douglas Way

Dave-

Wow, it's a small world.  Glad you saw us and that Deb waved, and sorry 
I didn't hear you.  We were pretty wilted by the heat at that point.


You're going to love your Roadeo.  It's the best road bike I've had in 
my 30+ years of riding.


Doug

On 7/12/10 1:36 PM, nawr...@comcast.net wrote:


I was stopped at a red light as you two were crossing Shields on 
Harmony.  You must have just descended from the reservoir.  I am the 
guy who yelled out the window of his car Nice bikes!  I think your 
wife heard me because she waved but you were busy battling the heat.  
That was a scorcher day.


Great to see the pix of the roads I ride posted on the list.  I love 
the waterfall at the treatment plant in Loveland and doing the whole 
loop in that valley.  The store in Masonville is nice too.  Cant wait 
to get my Rodeo!


Dave Nawrocki

Fort Collins, CO

- Original Message -
From: J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:40:10 AM
Subject: [RBW] Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

Hi-

Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:
Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end
shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.

Pics are here on Flickr:

http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
bag matcher...

Doug Way
Boulder, CO


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[RBW] Re: why hobo bags rock

2010-07-12 Thread Phil Bickford





 On Jul 11, 5:36 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

  I was at the farmers market today loading my two dozen eggs into the
  trusty old carradice hobo bag (riv 
  prototype):http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4784592120/

Huh.  Looks exactly like my Acorn handlebar bag.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586...@n00/2595961876/

BTW - The Orange One is for sale - different components, but still
nice.
Contact me off list if interested

Phil B
phi...@sonic.net

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[RBW] FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread Andreas Taenzer
Listees,
FS are the following items:
1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
small paint chips
larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep. 
Pics available upon request.
Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
(Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

Contact me off list.
Local inspection welcome (NH).
Shipping not included.
Paypal only.

Thanks.
Tailwinds,
Andreas

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[RBW] Re: why hobo bags rock

2010-07-12 Thread rperks
I have the Acorn version as well, but it is smaller in every way.  Too
narrow for a dozen eggs, and the small pockets are about 30% smaller,
barely holds my iphone and billfold, whereas the carradice can take an
alien tool and my panasonic GF1 in a single side pocket.  if you do
not need to haul as much the Acorn is great, for those bigger days I
love the carradice.

Rob

On Jul 12, 1:02 pm, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote:
  On Jul 11, 5:36 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

   I was at the farmers market today loading my two dozen eggs into the
   trusty old carradice hobo bag (riv 
   prototype):http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4784592120/

 Huh.  Looks exactly like my Acorn handlebar 
 bag.http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586...@n00/2595961876/

 BTW - The Orange One is for sale - different components, but still
 nice.
 Contact me off list if interested

 Phil B
 phi...@sonic.net

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread William
That's a heckuva bargain.  How much extra to grow the frame to a 59
for me?

Bill

On Jul 12, 12:17 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Listees,
 FS are the following items:
 1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
 about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
 small paint chips
 larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
 Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
 likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
 Pics available upon request.
 Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
 2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
 (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
 3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
 4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
 both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
 5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
 6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
 too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

 Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
 Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
 Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

 Contact me off list.
 Local inspection welcome (NH).
 Shipping not included.
 Paypal only.

 Thanks.
 Tailwinds,
 Andreas

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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread rperks
were some of the very first Rivs made with lugs bought from the
remaining Bridgestone stock?, maybe I read that in a dream or
something.  Also, a small fram may have had hard to fit angles fo rthe
early Riv lugs.  It would be interesting to find the history.

Rob

On Jul 12, 11:42 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
wrote:
 They almost look like Bridgestone lugs.  I wonder if the head lugs were 
 abbreviated because of the bike's small size?

 Steve



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 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Angus
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 AM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

 I agree with Doug, those lugs looks very simple for an early
 Rivendell.

 IIRC the Road Standards had the Richard Sachs designed lugs other
 models hand different, simplier (but not his simple?) lugs.

 Angus

 On 11 July, 23:16, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
  Joe,

  I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain
  lugs.  There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown,
  as the initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ
  crowns.  Even the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my
  knowledge.  Most curious...

  Doug

  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
    I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway,
   if you look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that
   have paint jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I
   distinctly remember one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell
   head tube and lugfill. And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame
   and then put Riv decals on it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv 
   no
   longer controls the paint job style choices so if it's a second paintjob,
   that would also explain the difference.

   I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It
   would seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv
   would likely not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply.
   It might have just been a road frame.

   Joe

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   Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
   Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

   To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

   I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
   JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

   Doug

   On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves 
   hoont...@yahoo.comwrote:

   Almost forgot

  http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

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   *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
   *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

   Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing 
   on
   this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water 
   bottle
   bosses seam oddly placed.
   Any thoughts?
   Trevor- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Deb's Roadeo and Boulder to Ft. Collins ride report

2010-07-12 Thread William
Nuthin' bad could ever happen to you in Hygiene, Co

On Jul 12, 6:40 am, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote:
 Hi-

 Briefly delurking here to post some pictures of our version of a S36O, a
 weekend bike trip from Boulder, CO to Ft. Collins, CO and back from a
 few weeks ago.  The distance was about 60 miles each way.  The only
 mistake we made was picking the hottest day of the year to ride the
 first leg of the trip.  Oh well, both Deb and I survived.  The group may
 be interested in the pictures of Debbie's 53 cm Roadeo, expertly
 assembled by Jay and Mark at Riv.  Deb's Roadeo is unusual in that it
 sports Albatross bars.  Other than that, the build is pretty standard:  
 Sugino XD crank, Campy triple FD, Dura Ace 9 speed RD, DA bar end
 shifters, Tektro big-mouth brakes, Paul brake levers, and Brooks Finesse
 saddle.  Also, we love the Grand Bois 700C x 26 mm tires.

 Pics are here on Flickr:

 http://tinyurl.com/2davafh

 Since we weren't camping, we didn't need much in the way of gear and a
 saddle bag each worked well for both of us.  I used a Carradice Jr. and
 Deb mounted her Hobo bag as a seat bag.  I also had Deb's tweed tube bag
 on my handlebars.  Worked great!  You can see I'm a total failure as a
 bag matcher...

 Doug Way
 Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread John Bennett
We'd sure like to see the serial number, too!

Cheers,

John at Rivendell

On Jul 12, 9:38 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 7/12/10 8:53 AM, Joe Bartoe at jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

  The ebay bike owner should give the serial number. Has anyone tried asking 
  for
  it to verify if it's a real serial number for a Riv. You can almost see it 
  in
  thepics, but it's a bit blurry.

 I asked, but haven't/didn't hear back.

 The auction has ended, and when I looked at it to begin with, there had been
 three bids.  Ended with zero, so he must have found a local buyer in OH.

 It's hard to say from the image whether the decal is on under a clearcoat.
 If not, the decal wasn't necesarily applied during the repaint.

 Yep, that's an odd one...

 - Jim

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[RBW] dat funky Riv

2010-07-12 Thread Grant Petersen
Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've
been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs
are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20
frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in
back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake
looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The
seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm
listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs.

It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody
owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he knows what
I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's
busy, I'll try again.

The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If
it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine
etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not.

G
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www.rivbike.com
925 933 7304

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[RBW] Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread Johnny Alien
Hey guys!

Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
bike and it is in amazing condition.

Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
taste in colored bar tape.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
have extra room.

Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgestone%20RB-2/0711001938.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread William
Great find.  I like your idea of Green.  I'd vote for the celery and
clear shellac.

For tires I strongly recommend a true 28 like the Rolly Pol-ly or
Ruffy Tuffy.  I put those on my 1992 RB1 and they were tremendous.
Also, from the looks of the clearance I could not have gone much
wider.

On Jul 12, 3:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hey guys!

 Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
 bike and it is in amazing condition.

 Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
 aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
 especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
 shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
 silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
 maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
 celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
 taste in colored bar tape.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

 SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
 and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
 guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
 so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
 appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
 have extra room.

 Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
 also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgesto...

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread Johnny Alien
Since the RB-2 and RB-1 I think have similar clearance then I should
keep that in mind.  Is the extra protection worth the extra weight I
wonder? Are the Rolly Pollys prone for flats?

Thanks for the suggestion on tape.  Celery plus clear is how I am
leaning too.

On Jul 12, 6:34 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great find.  I like your idea of Green.  I'd vote for the celery and
 clear shellac.

 For tires I strongly recommend a true 28 like the Rolly Pol-ly or
 Ruffy Tuffy.  I put those on my 1992 RB1 and they were tremendous.
 Also, from the looks of the clearance I could not have gone much
 wider.

 On Jul 12, 3:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:



  Hey guys!

  Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
  bike and it is in amazing condition.

  Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
  aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
  especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
  shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
  silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
  maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
  celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
  taste in colored bar tape.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

  SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
  and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
  guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
  so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
  appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
  have extra room.

  Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
  also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgesto...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread Justin August
I would literally kill for this. Emailed!

Let me join this group for reals!

-Justin

On Jul 12, 3:17 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Listees,
 FS are the following items:
 1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
 about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
 small paint chips
 larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
 Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
 likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
 Pics available upon request.
 Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
 2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
 (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
 3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
 4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
 both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
 5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
 6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
 too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

 Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
 Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
 Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

 Contact me off list.
 Local inspection welcome (NH).
 Shipping not included.
 Paypal only.

 Thanks.
 Tailwinds,
 Andreas

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread Frankwurst
You will be one happy dude if you pick this up. I wouldn't kill for it
though. Those orange prison suits are not really designed for riding.

On Jul 12, 6:51 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would literally kill for this. Emailed!

 Let me join this group for reals!

 -Justin

 On Jul 12, 3:17 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:



  Listees,
  FS are the following items:
  1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
  about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
  small paint chips
  larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
  Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
  likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
  Pics available upon request.
  Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
  2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
  (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
  3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
  4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
  both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
  5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
  6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
  too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

  Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
  Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
  Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

  Contact me off list.
  Local inspection welcome (NH).
  Shipping not included.
  Paypal only.

  Thanks.
  Tailwinds,
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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread Frankwurst
What William said. Rolly pollys are fine as far as flats are concerned
and if you can fit a Jack Brown in there you will get the ultimate
cush. I have JB's on my RB-T and ride it on dirt,rocks,and anywhere
else I feel like going. I've ridden Roly Polys on the same stuff with
no problems.

On Jul 12, 5:43 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 Since the RB-2 and RB-1 I think have similar clearance then I should
 keep that in mind.  Is the extra protection worth the extra weight I
 wonder? Are the Rolly Pollys prone for flats?

 Thanks for the suggestion on tape.  Celery plus clear is how I am
 leaning too.

 On Jul 12, 6:34 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Great find.  I like your idea of Green.  I'd vote for the celery and
  clear shellac.

  For tires I strongly recommend a true 28 like the Rolly Pol-ly or
  Ruffy Tuffy.  I put those on my 1992 RB1 and they were tremendous.
  Also, from the looks of the clearance I could not have gone much
  wider.

  On Jul 12, 3:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

   Hey guys!

   Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
   bike and it is in amazing condition.

   Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
   aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
   especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
   shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
   silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
   maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
   celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
   taste in colored bar tape.

  http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

   SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
   and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
   guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
   so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
   appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
   have extra room.

   Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
   also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

  http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgesto...- 
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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

2010-07-12 Thread EricP
Ryan,

The RUSA groups around here adhere to the minimum requirements of
climbing.  So that usually leaves me out.  Can do the climbing.  Just
doing the entire ride in the time limit would be the issue.

As to the disc brakes.  An entirely different feel.  Both work well.
But the advantage of the discs is no problem if the wheel is out of
true.  The cantilevers on my Hillborne are set somewhat close for a
firmer feel.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jul 12, 12:51 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Eric

 Chapeau!!  I haven't done a century in about 3 years so hats off to
 you.  I did my own Populaire/Metric century on Saturday (100k).  A
 poor mans version of your real Century ride.

 I did a Populaire last year but finished well out of the 7 hour time
 limit much too my disappointment.  This year I was able to do it in
 5.5 hours total -must be the steel bike ;-), or maybe it was my buddy
 trading pulls with me.  If you can do the 100 miler then I say go for
 it and do the 200k.  I have to imagine there is a group of crazy
 Randonneurs in your neck of woods putting on 200k rides  http://www.rusa.org/

 Just Curious, How do you like the disc brake setup on the fargo and
 how does it compare to the brakes on your SamH?

 Look forward to your SamH long ride report.

 Ryan
 W. Seattle

 On Jul 11, 3:48 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:



  looks like a really nice day to ride, not to hot, a little breeze,
  what more could you want.  Thanks for the pics

  On Jul 11, 2:32 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

   Rode a century yesterday.  Unfortunately, for the purposes of this
   list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne.  A couple of issues (mostly
   resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice.

   Didn't die, get overly sick or fall asleep under a tree.  Although the
   last might have been fun.  Only downsides were getting stung on the
   leg when something got caught in my MUSA shorts, and a flat.  The
   latter happened just as I was rolling home.  Rode down the hill to our
   place on the rim.

   Photos here -http://tinyurl.com/333zafe

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[RBW] Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-12 Thread Steve
Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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[RBW] Re: Shellac cork tape

2010-07-12 Thread EricP
Re-wrapped the bars Sunday morning.  No shellac.  But, yes, using the
twining method shown by Rivendell in a recent video.   While at it,
replaced the DirtDrop stem with a regular Nitto.  Probably placebo
effect, but the handling seems to have slightly changed for the
better.

A photo here - http://tinyurl.com/283ed6k

Did take the afternoon off work and swapped out the tires today before
a longer ride (30 miles).  Went to Pasela 700x35. Again, placebo
effect is probably in effect, but the tires seemed to make the bike a
bit zippier. (Photo above before the tire swap).

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jul 9, 2:41 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ginz

 Yes, something like that.  It was my first time so I am by no means an
 expert.

 I bought the cheapest padded tape at REI.  It was Profile brand.  With
 one roll I was able to do like a 7 inch layer on each 'grip'.  With
 the other roll I did another layer of padded tape.  Then I took a
 single roll of Toshi cloth.  It has a removable backing to the
 adhesive, so you can unroll it completely and cut it exactly in half.
 That was plenty to cover the full length with a decent overlap.  I
 pulled it as tight as I could.  I twined both ends for looks and went
 to town with the clear Zinsser.

 Both the Profile tape and the Toshi cloth made it easy to cut without
 having to deal with exposed adhesive.  Profile has none, and Toshi has
 backing.  Newbaum's also has backing, so that will work too.
 Tressostar and CatEye do not have backing, which will make it
 tougher.

 Bill

 On Jul 9, 12:28 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:



  What is your method for wrapping cloth over cork, specifically on the
  Bullmoose?  Is it two layers of cork and one layer of cloth?
  Something like that...?

  On Jul 9, 3:11 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

   I'm just trying shellacked cloth OVER padded tape.  Yeah, it's for the
   'grips' on my bullmoose bars, but I know several folks who use cloth
   over padded on drop bars as well.  Does shellacked cloth over padded
   tape crack the same way shellacked cork does?

   On Jul 9, 11:12 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

on 7/9/10 6:18 AM, Bill M. at bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:

 Cork tape is generally washable.  A scrub with a little Simple Green
 and water should make even white tape look clean again.

Murphy's Oil Soap will do the same.

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread JoelMatthews
Kojak are good and (relatively) fat fast tires.  (that is if this is
road and very moderate off road only - no tread).

28 Marathon Racers if you don't want - or cannot fit - 35s.

On Jul 12, 5:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hey guys!

 Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
 bike and it is in amazing condition.

 Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
 aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
 especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
 shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
 silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
 maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
 celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
 taste in colored bar tape.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

 SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
 and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
 guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
 so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
 appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
 have extra room.

 Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
 also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgesto...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread Esteban
Sell it to Justin



On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote:
 You will be one happy dude if you pick this up. I wouldn't kill for it
 though. Those orange prison suits are not really designed for riding.

 On Jul 12, 6:51 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:



  I would literally kill for this. Emailed!

  Let me join this group for reals!

  -Justin

  On Jul 12, 3:17 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:

   Listees,
   FS are the following items:
   1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
   about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
   small paint chips
   larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
   Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
   likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
   Pics available upon request.
   Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
   2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
   (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
   3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
   4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
   both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
   5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
   6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
   too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

   Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
   Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
   Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

   Contact me off list.
   Local inspection welcome (NH).
   Shipping not included.
   Paypal only.

   Thanks.
   Tailwinds,
   Andreas- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Taylor
I am the local buyer!

This frame did indeed seem strange to me, seemed a bit sporty for a
Rivendell, and the lugs did seem off as well. But, the fit is on, and
regardless of the builder I have been looking for a frame similar to
this.

So, I would very much like to find out if it is indeed a Rivendell, or
something else. Before I found this thread I had emailed Mark
yesterday, and he wasn't able to turn much information up.

I am currently not yet in possession of the frame, as I am out of town
until next week. But, once I get it I'll be more than willing to do
any detective work that may yield a response.

The serial number, as shown in the picture, isn't totally helpful. The
number portion is easily readable: 95152 but there is a single
character before this that is partly obscured by paint. It could be an
R or a B perhaps even a P I suppose. But, it DOES look most
similar to an R I will be able to look closer, of course, once I
receive the frame.

The current owner is not the original owner, or the one who painted
it, but referred to the individual who he purchased it from as a
friend. So, perhaps I can do some more intensive detective work.

Thanks!
Taylor



On Jul 12, 5:05 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 We'd sure like to see the serial number, too!

 Cheers,

 John at Rivendell

 On Jul 12, 9:38 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

  on 7/12/10 8:53 AM, Joe Bartoe at jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

   The ebay bike owner should give the serial number. Has anyone tried 
   asking for
   it to verify if it's a real serial number for a Riv. You can almost see 
   it in
   thepics, but it's a bit blurry.

  I asked, but haven't/didn't hear back.

  The auction has ended, and when I looked at it to begin with, there had been
  three bids.  Ended with zero, so he must have found a local buyer in OH.

  It's hard to say from the image whether the decal is on under a clearcoat.
  If not, the decal wasn't necesarily applied during the repaint.

  Yep, that's an odd one...

  - Jim

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[RBW] Re: Newbie needs therapy...

2010-07-12 Thread gregb
Thank you all for the therapy - I think I am going to take it to the
fantastic bike fitter we have in Seattle (cascade bicycle studios...)
and see if we can't stretch it out a bit.  I then am going to ride it
until it looks like Willy Nelson's guitar (or I look like Willy
Nelson!)

If we can't make it fit, I will probably put it up for sale to one of
you fine folks.

I think I got the first scratch on a group ride this weekend, and the
chain stay wrap got rubbed a little raw on the catamaran up to
victoria last week ...  Before long it will be scuffed up appropriate
for its age.

Cheers!

G



On Jul 10, 8:11 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:
  When I bought the Bleriot and built it up (and it is a nice build -
  Beth H, Calm54 and Gino can attest to that), I used it for everything
  but my fast bike.  Rando, commuting, travel bike, occasional grocery
  runs.  Friend: you are going to commute on a RIVENDELL?  Me: it is
  a bicycle.  get over it.

  Bleriot is now over 4 years old, looks like it has been ridden a few
  places, has nail polish over the scratches...  I still commute on
  it.   In a few weeks it will be packed up (SS couplers.  I said it
  was a nice build.), and taken to the summer place, where I will ride
  it to the beach, the grocery, the library, dump it in the sand behind
  my beach chair, etc, etc.  It is a BIKE, not a museum piece.  What
  would I be saving it for, anyway?

 I definitely agree with using the bike for whatever you'd use a bike
 for - but at the same time - I kinda like cleaning up my bikes and
 making them look pretty. Not obsessively but I do like to get brake
 residue off of the fork blades, for example.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-12 Thread Andreas Taenzer
I was between a 59 and 57 myself when I bought it.
I am in 5'10 1/2 and have a SH of 75cm, worked well for me.

My quickbeam is a 60 (!), but has a TT of 57 and fits about the same.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:12 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's a heckuva bargain.  How much extra to grow the frame to a 59
 for me?

 Bill

 On Jul 12, 12:17 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:
  Listees,
  FS are the following items:
  1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
  about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
  small paint chips
  larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
  Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
  likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
  Pics available upon request.
  Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
  2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
  (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
  3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
  4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
  both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
  5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
  6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
  too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.
 
  Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
  Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
  Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.
 
  Contact me off list.
  Local inspection welcome (NH).
  Shipping not included.
  Paypal only.
 
  Thanks.
  Tailwinds,
  Andreas

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Re: [RBW] Front loading ...???

2010-07-12 Thread Bruce
The pic was removed for violation of terms of service?





From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com


http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5492413310923603778


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie needs therapy...

2010-07-12 Thread Robert F. Harrison
There you go! That's a sound plan. I babied my Quickbeam till it got its
first scratch that was noticeable. Then I started riding it everywhere. The
only time I ride my beater these days is when I have to leave a bike parked
outside in dicey parts of town for hours at a time at night. That doesn't
happen that often so it's about 95% Quickbeam, 5% beater these days.

Aloha!


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM, gregb gbberk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you all for the therapy - I think I am going to take it to the
 fantastic bike fitter we have in Seattle (cascade bicycle studios...)
 and see if we can't stretch it out a bit.  I then am going to ride it
 until it looks like Willy Nelson's guitar (or I look like Willy
 Nelson!)

 If we can't make it fit, I will probably put it up for sale to one of
 you fine folks.

 I think I got the first scratch on a group ride this weekend, and the
 chain stay wrap got rubbed a little raw on the catamaran up to
 victoria last week ...  Before long it will be scuffed up appropriate
 for its age.

 Cheers!

 G



 On Jul 10, 8:11 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net
 wrote:
   When I bought the Bleriot and built it up (and it is a nice build -
   Beth H, Calm54 and Gino can attest to that), I used it for everything
   but my fast bike.  Rando, commuting, travel bike, occasional grocery
   runs.  Friend: you are going to commute on a RIVENDELL?  Me: it is
   a bicycle.  get over it.
 
   Bleriot is now over 4 years old, looks like it has been ridden a few
   places, has nail polish over the scratches...  I still commute on
   it.   In a few weeks it will be packed up (SS couplers.  I said it
   was a nice build.), and taken to the summer place, where I will ride
   it to the beach, the grocery, the library, dump it in the sand behind
   my beach chair, etc, etc.  It is a BIKE, not a museum piece.  What
   would I be saving it for, anyway?
 
  I definitely agree with using the bike for whatever you'd use a bike
  for - but at the same time - I kinda like cleaning up my bikes and
  making them look pretty. Not obsessively but I do like to get brake
  residue off of the fork blades, for example.
 
  -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot Build is Coming Along

2010-07-12 Thread Shaun Meehan
Great looking bike! Thanks for sharing the pictures. Glad to hear it's
working well for you. Did you mention awhile bike that you were having
a new custom BB made for you?

Shaun Meehan

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 A few more fotos, a few more miles...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/

 -Scott

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread SFF
I sold that the very same (well, same color, model year etc...)
Bridgestone bike earlier in the year to help finance my Sam Hillborne
purchase. It was in perfect condition, sold it on Craigslist way too
cheap. I'm still kicking myself for that one. Anyway, the RB-2 is a
great bike.

I suggest sky blue tape with clear shellac and twine. I would put Jack
Browns on it too, if they fit. Would also throw a Brooks B17 (honey)
saddle on it It. Heck it would be so nice I would buy it from you!

Joel

On Jul 12, 6:53 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 It's going to be 100% road.  I have other bikes for mild to more
 rugged off road.


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[RBW] Re: The Quickbeam is back?!

2010-07-12 Thread steve m
I almost broke out the scotch and had a celebratory dram!  That is,
until I saw 50cm onlyand my heart sank.
I've been trolling (more like hoping) for a 54 or even 56 on and off
now without a whisper of success.

On Jul 9, 3:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was surprised to see the Quickbeam page back up on the Bicycle
 Models tab on the Riv-site.  Turns out it's just a couple of 50cm
 complete bikes available.  Still, pretty cool for those petite ones
 who don't want to wait for the SimpleOne.

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[RBW] Re: The Quickbeam is back?!

2010-07-12 Thread manueljohnacosta
very tempting to by a quickbeam... my size too.  kinda. maybe next pay
check

On Jul 12, 8:01 pm, steve m scmah...@gmail.com wrote:
 I almost broke out the scotch and had a celebratory dram!  That is,
 until I saw 50cm onlyand my heart sank.
 I've been trolling (more like hoping) for a 54 or even 56 on and off
 now without a whisper of success.

 On Jul 9, 3:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:



  I was surprised to see the Quickbeam page back up on the Bicycle
  Models tab on the Riv-site.  Turns out it's just a couple of 50cm
  complete bikes available.  Still, pretty cool for those petite ones
  who don't want to wait for the SimpleOne.

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Build is Coming Along

2010-07-12 Thread S.Cutshall
Yep.  Bob was just out here, to PDX, for a visit...

we discussed the new bike, took measurements [pretty amazing-he
brought the measurements from my first fitting 4.5yrs ago, when I
weighed 500 pounds, the differences are drastic], and he will be
starting on it within a month or so.
I am excited... the bike is going to be something else.

-Scott

On Jul 12, 7:28 pm, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great looking bike! Thanks for sharing the pictures. Glad to hear it's
 working well for you. Did you mention awhile bike that you were having
 a new custom BB made for you?

 Shaun Meehan

 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  A few more fotos, a few more miles...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/

  -Scott

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread William
If his 1991 RB2 has the same clearances as my 1992 RB1, then there is
no way Jack Browns will fit.  Ruffy Tuffy's fit with only a couple mm
under the brake pivot bolts.  Johnny's got a Bomba for the bumpies.
He should be fine with Ruffy Tuffy's or Rolly Polly's on a dedicated
go-fast

On Jul 12, 8:12 pm, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I sold that the very same (well, same color, model year etc...)
 Bridgestone bike earlier in the year to help finance my Sam Hillborne
 purchase. It was in perfect condition, sold it on Craigslist way too
 cheap. I'm still kicking myself for that one. Anyway, the RB-2 is a
 great bike.

 I suggest sky blue tape with clear shellac and twine. I would put Jack
 Browns on it too, if they fit. Would also throw a Brooks B17 (honey)
 saddle on it It. Heck it would be so nice I would buy it from you!

 Joel

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  It's going to be 100% road.  I have other bikes for mild to more
  rugged off road.

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[RBW] secret source for Hunquapillar design

2010-07-12 Thread rperks
http://www.cpsc.gov/businfo/regsumbicycles.pdf

Page 2, diagram 1

nobody is cooler than the CPSC

Rob

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[RBW] Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-12 Thread Calm54
Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
don't bonk.Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-12 Thread Bill M.
Another nice tire choice if you can find them is the Vittoria Rubino
Pro in 28 mm.  I find them a bit livelier than the Roly-Poly's (which
I rode for  long time), and not particularly flat prone for a sporty
tire.

IMO blue would be a conservative but classy choice, gray would be very
quiet but could work well as a shade in between the silver frame and
the black saddle.

Want a flash of color?  Go with bright orange, the complementary color
to blue (opposite on the color wheel).

Use clear shellac to keep the orange bright, or for even better
durability and absolutely no color change try clear water based
polyurethane varnish instead of shellac.  I've proposed this for
years, but AFAIK I'm the only guy on the planet to have tried it.  It
may not sound as 'natural' as shellac, but water based poly holds up
really well and emits about 1/3 the VOC of shellac.

Bill



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 Hey guys!

 Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
 bike and it is in amazing condition.

 Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
 aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
 especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
 shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
 silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
 maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
 celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
 taste in colored bar tape.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

 SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
 and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
 guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
 so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
 appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
 have extra room.

 Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
 also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgesto...

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-12 Thread rcnute
Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

Ryan

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 don't bonk.    Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-12 Thread Ken Mattina
look out for poison ivy before you pee in the woods

Ken

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 Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
 you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

 Ryan

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  year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
  don't bonk.Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-12 Thread rob markwardt
And, be calm!

On Jul 12, 10:02 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:
 look out for poison ivy before you pee in the woods

 Ken





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  Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
  you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

  Ryan

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   don't bonk.    Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-12 Thread Calm54
LOL, thanks guys

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 And, be calm!

 On Jul 12, 10:02 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:



  look out for poison ivy before you pee in the woods

  Ken

  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
   Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
   you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

   Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie needs therapy...

2010-07-12 Thread Rob Harrison
That's the place in Fremont, right? Curious to hear how that goes-- 
report back, eh? Thanks!


Rob in Seattle


On Jul 12, 2010, at 6:22 PM, gregb wrote:


I think I am going to take it to the
fantastic bike fitter we have in Seattle (cascade bicycle studios...)
and see if we can't stretch it out a bit.


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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-12 Thread RonLau
Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
see you folks out there.



On Jul 1, 3:42 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
 Jim,

 I am planning on being there.  Last email with Rob Hawks he said we do
 need to register but the event is free.

 Hope to see you and others there.

 Ron

 On Jun 30, 11:18 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

  Just starting to turn the calendar over to the new month and realized there
  is an excellent, free event planned mid-month, the San Francisco
  Randonneurs' Populaire on July 17th.

  I'm not quite sure why it's called the Fall Populaire, but hey, maybe it's
  a Randonneur thing...  I'll let their short blurb take it from here:

  --

  The San Francisco Randonneurs would like to invite you to participate
  in our first ever Fall Populaire, to be held on July 17th, 2010.
  This is a free event, though registration is required.

  The Populaire is intended to introduce riders to the sport of
  randonneuring. Most of our brevets are 200km in length, but the
  Populaire, at 115km, is only slightly more than half that length.

  More information, and a link to the registration form is here:

 http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

  --

  - Jim (RUSA and SFR Member, too.)

  --
  Jim Edgar
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-12 Thread rob markwardt
I'm thinking that the three crashes in one day had something to do
with the poor time.  I'm guessing (hoping) you didn't crash in the
Iowa Rando 200k.

Riv content...I rode my Rambouillet tonight.

Rob

On Jul 12, 5:26 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
 lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
 loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
 Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
 from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
 the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
 patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
 Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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