Re: [RBW] From the ground up - Tease

[Tony DeFilippo]

That looks like a festive new year!  I can't wait to see the finished build, 
congrats on the new bike.

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Re: [RBW] From the ground up - Tease

[Peter Morgano]

Ooh, sparkly!
On Dec 31, 2013 12:10 AM, "Tom Virgil"  wrote:

> I am having a good time building this bike.
>
> So here is a preview.
>
> Happy New Year and best regards,
>
> Tom
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[RBW] From the ground up - Tease

[Tom Virgil]

I am having a good time building this bike.

So here is a preview.

Happy New Year and best regards,

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

It is possible to solder stainless if you use the right flux. Look for 
stainless-specific flux; they usually contain zinc chloride and 
hydrochloric acid (read: ensure adequate ventilation). You'll want to fray 
out the individual strands a bit to clean them with alcohol or something 
similar before applying the flux, and you'll want to be careful with that 
flux since it's not the gentlest thing in the world.

I still occasionally solder my (stainless) cable ends. In fact, for the 
cantilever straddle cable ends, I usually put a dollop of solder (i.e., 
excess) at the end to make a "bulb" (like a spring onion!) so that it's 
easier to grab ahold of. It's a nice conversation piece for the keen eyes.


On Monday, December 30, 2013 7:26:53 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old 
> galvanized ones is spot on.  I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do 
> it any more, though.  However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece 
> of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but 
> it's a good one.
>
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote:
>>
>> I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no 
>> one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced 
>> galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes.  And apart from being 
>> able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality 
>> stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hey Michael,

Well, couple reasons on the 650B preference though I'd be the first to
admit that I don't really have enough run time with some higher quality
700C tires to make a great comparison.  Just so I'm very clear about what
my frame of reference is this is what I've ridden ;

- 650B convertered Trek with 42mm EL Hetre's
- 700C Jack Brown 33.33mm on the Trek and a Surly Cross Check
- 700C Nomad Resist 45mm (really 42mm) on the Atlantis
- 26"x 2" Big Apple's on a Univega Tandem, MB-5 and XO-3
- 27"x 1.25" GatorSkins on a Burley Tandem

My reasons for liking the 650B;

- The EL Hetre's are the best tire I've ridden, and it's not close
- Slight advantage in inherent strength due to the smaller size
- I have two frames that are a bit large for me, 64 cm Trek and 64 cm
Atlantis, the 700C tires on the Atlantis make me feel to tall in the
saddle, the Trek w/ 650B feels much better
- Goldilocks Syndrome... just the right size, not 26", not 700C... I was
thinking it would be sweet to have 650B only wheel's between my wife and my
bikes plus a tandem eventually

That's about it really, definitely not scientific.  And given that I've
just gotten my XO-3 (26") up and running I'm by no means a wheel size
zealot...  I'm running a 26er, 650B and 700C bike side by side by side
right now.  I've built dyno hub's for both my 650B and 700C wheelset even.
 I'm sure that on the right size frame a 700C would suite my needs very
well, but I'd still miss that Hetre tire. Gotta try the Soma C Line tires...

In case you are interested, here is the latest on the XO-3 project. -
http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2013/12/xo-3-evolving-and-pour-over-coffee.html

Tony


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Michael  wrote:

>
> Tony,
>>
> Why do you prefer 650b over 700c?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Leslie]

Hugh,
The Saluki was 650b, and the Hilsen was 700c, but otherwise the same; because 
the functionality was the same, the lines were merged into the Hilsen; the 
overlap was kept to give a bit of a choice, but the upper end of the 
Saluki-side was trimmed down a bit...


If someone politely asked and paid for it, couldn't canti-posts be added to a 
Hilsen?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross bar and stem length?

[Robert Barr]

I agree with Jay. I have his old 10 and it fits me well. But I think it all
depends on the initial sizing  - did you go big Riv or smaller?


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I had that setup on an AHH that was already a bit big on me (read: longish
> toptube). I ended up selling cockpit and frame (separately) so never
> made the swap, but I would have purchased a 13 stem to replace the 10. My
> experience with Albas is that the sweep-back is significant.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:09:27 AM UTC-8, blakcloud wrote:
>
>> I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on
>> the Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is
>> needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a
>> longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11,
>> 12 and 13 cm stems.
>>
>> My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would
>> you suggest?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Michael]

>
> Eric,
>
 

> Jan Heine says quality tubes (which you have), and tire wipers can help 
> reduce flats:
>
 
 http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_wipers.html

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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Bill Lindsay]

Room for HUGE panniers at least!

On Monday, December 30, 2013 7:39:03 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> Cecily, concur on Peyton (go Vols!); (I'm not a fairweather fan, we'll see 
> better days).  
>
> The longer stays should be a bit more like the Appaloosa, ridewise; I was 
> imagining the extra space behind the seat tube could be useful for fitting 
> a larger tire; but the bridge placement, crown size, are also factors.
>
> Leah, the lugs, well... If they're good lugs, and the Foy isn't around to 
> use them, why not use them? 
>
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Leslie]

Cecily, concur on Peyton (go Vols!); (I'm not a fairweather fan, we'll see 
better days).  

The longer stays should be a bit more like the Appaloosa, ridewise; I was 
imagining the extra space behind the seat tube could be useful for fitting a 
larger tire; but the bridge placement, crown size, are also factors.

Leah, the lugs, well... If they're good lugs, and the Foy isn't around to use 
them, why not use them? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Shoji Takahashi]

Pelican? (Box Dog Bikes) I think it's offered in 650B and 700C.

On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:17:24 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 12/30/2013 09:12 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
>  
>
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 4:35:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:" 
>>
>>  
>>  Is there another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that comes with 
>> different wheelsizes as a function of framesize?  
>>  
>
>  only two  I can think of off-hand are the Rawland Nordavinden. 650B in 
> the smaller size  and the Soma Saga and Buena Vista, 26" in smaller sizes.
>
>  
>  
> The Ocean Air Rambler also uses 650B in the smaller sizes and goes to 700C 
> for the larger; also one whose name I've blanked on -- I keep thinking 
> Penguin but I know that's wrong, the one I saw at NAHBS in Richmond was 
> blue in color and for a time there were only two stock 650B bicycles, the 
> Boulder and this one -- originally was 650B only in the small sizes, but I 
> think the most recent batches have offered all sizes in 650B.  The name 
> will probably come to me in 20 or 30 minutes.
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 09:12 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:



On Monday, December 30, 2013 4:35:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:"


 Is there another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that
comes with different wheelsizes as a function of framesize?


only two  I can think of off-hand are the Rawland Nordavinden. 650B in 
the smaller size  and the Soma Saga and Buena Vista, 26" in smaller sizes.





The Ocean Air Rambler also uses 650B in the smaller sizes and goes to 
700C for the larger; also one whose name I've blanked on -- I keep 
thinking Penguin but I know that's wrong, the one I saw at NAHBS in 
Richmond was blue in color and for a time there were only two stock 650B 
bicycles, the Boulder and this one -- originally was 650B only in the 
small sizes, but I think the most recent batches have offered all sizes 
in 650B.  The name will probably come to me in 20 or 30 minutes.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes!  I thought of the Nordavinden after posting, but I didn't want to 
reply to myself.  Chapeau!

On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:12:31 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 4:35:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:"
>>
>>  
>>  Is there another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that comes with 
>> different wheelsizes as a function of framesize?  
>>
>
> only two  I can think of off-hand are the Rawland Nordavinden. 650B in the 
> smaller size  and the Soma Saga and Buena Vista, 26" in smaller sizes.
>
> signed... Mr Smartypants ( mike)
>

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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 10:01 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
It's kind of a moot point, anyway. We've probably heard of every 
contact a Riv has ever had going back to that Riv employee who got 
bounced off his Ram in Oakland (remember his lugged steel cane?). 
These events tend to find their way to the Riv List. 


No idea what this means, but the person in question was named Bhima and 
he picked the original orange color for the Rambouillet.



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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: I have no idea about what you are trying to say. Can you repeat, in
words of  one syllable, so that even idiots like me can understand?


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It's kind of a moot point, anyway. We've probably heard of every contact a
> Riv has ever had going back to that Riv employee who got bounced off his
> Ram in Oakland (remember his lugged steel cane?). These events tend to find
> their way to the Riv List.
>
> --
Burque (NM)

Resumes that get interviews:
http://www.resumespecialties.com/

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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Joe Bernard]

It's kind of a moot point, anyway. We've probably heard of every contact a 
Riv has ever had going back to that Riv employee who got bounced off his 
Ram in Oakland (remember his lugged steel cane?). These events tend to find 
their way to the Riv List. 

On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:31:15 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Congratulations! Tell us how you like the ride once you put some miles on 
> it.
>
> My ideal dirt bike (ie, for the dirt conditions that I ride in, generally 
> flattish and sandy roads and trails) would be a Quickbeam that takes 60 mm 
> tires. The 40/34 X 17 gearing would be just right. One day 
>
> Patrick Moore, who just rode his '99 gofast fixie 20 windy and hilly miles 
> in 50*F Corrales, NM -- and who actually downshifted to the 17/65" 'cause 
> the uphills had a headwind.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tom Goodmann 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks to listmember Frank Neff, who delivered this beautiful Quickbeam 
>> about forty-eight hours ago, building it up right here at the house using 
>> Open Pro rims, Pasela 35s (from listmember Anne up in Michigan; thanks) and 
>> Paul Touring brakes I had sourced elsewhere--come to think of it, the 
>> bars/stem/levers are from this list or the BOB list.  It takes an e-village 
>> . . . . 
>>
>> I'm not settled yet on bars (or colors of saddle and bar tape)--the bike 
>> will likely have Moustache or Albastaches sooner or later--but, oh, does it 
>> ride nicely!  Running 40/34 up front and 17 in the rear . . . and looking 
>> at the Dos Eno 16/18 for the other side of this wheel.  
>>
>> Happy New Year, indeed.  --Tom Miami, FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Mike Schiller]

On Monday, December 30, 2013 4:35:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:"
>
>  
>  Is there another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that comes with 
> different wheelsizes as a function of framesize?  
>

only two  I can think of off-hand are the Rawland Nordavinden. 650B in the 
smaller size  and the Soma Saga and Buena Vista, 26" in smaller sizes.

signed... Mr Smartypants ( mike)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Christopher Chen]

YEAH, and what's wrong with carbs anyway?! 


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> Tony,
>>
> Why do you prefer 650b over 700c?
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[RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Michael]

> Tony,
>
Why do you prefer 650b over 700c? 

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[RBW] Re: Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Michael]

> Congrats on the new bike and the Hetres!
>
I am going to put some on my Sam and see how they feel vs. the stock 
Marathons.

 I love the Bleriot paintjob - don't you?
Awesome metallic Aqua color with cream headtube.

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[RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Don Compton]

That is my dream 650b bike.

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:15:46 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I've got to call uncle, can anyone link me up to a PBH chart for the 650B 
> Homer's?
>
> Also any background on how Riv decided to close out the Saluki's and add 
> the 650B Homer's? 
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[RBW] Re: My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Michael]

>
> Congrats on the new bike! 
> More pics please, when you get time. Looks real nice! 
>
 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Hugh Smitham]

>Where the cutoffs are seems to be more arbitrary from my perspective and
Grant places those by instinct.

It must be arbitrary as the Hilsen switches back and forth starting from
the 55cm @ 622 then back to 584 on the 56cm and so on up to the 58cm  and
after that remains 622. Is there another Riv production bike that does that
rather than a straight cut off? Why did Grant decide to switch from 650b
exclusively on the Saluki (another example of a Riv production bike with
one wheel size) then change that format on the Hilsen?

The only reasons I've ever heard for different wheel sizes 1.) Toe overlap
and 2.) Aesthetic. I understand the first and the second doesn't really
make sense as can be seen by Steve's previous Saluki.


~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "Lots of folks make the assertion that the frames look too large/wheels
> look too small as an explanation for why makers such as Riv switch to
> 700C on the larger size frames."
>
> Well if you show me somebody who thinks your Saluki or your M.A.P. look
> out of proportion, I'll show you somebody who needs to have his/her head
> examined.  Those both look dynamite.
>
> "If Grant has ever explained his shift
> to this position I don't recall it. "
>
> I'm not sure I can tell which position you are referring to.  The position
> that wheelsize should in some way track with frame size goes back to the
> first Rivendell model that came with multiple wheelsizes across it's size
> range, which would be the Atlantis?  That bike had and has 26" wheels in
> one end of the size range and 700c in the large end.  I don't know about
> pre-Atlantis bikes.  I think of the Road Standard being strictly 700, and
> the All Rounder being strictly 26", but I don't know for sure.
>
> Variable wheelsize is a standard part of Riv, and as far as I know is
> still completely unique to Rivendell.  How many Riv models have only been
> one wheelsize?  The Roadeo, the Legolas, the pre-Atlantis models, and I
> think that's all.  Heck, the Betty Foy came with three wheelsizes!  Is
> there another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that comes with
> different wheelsizes as a function of framesize?  I don't count the Long
> Haul Trucker, because that's a choice between wheelsizes in almost every
> frame size.
>
> If you mean the position that the cut-off between 650B and 700 should be
> at 58cm, then yeah I don't think he's ever explained that.  I'm about your
> height Steve (75.5 SH), but bought a 58 Hilsen and put a longish stem on it
> to stay 650B.  Your 'Luki would have fit me great, and you are still free
> to ship your M.A.P. to me for evaluation anytime you like.
>
> The idea that there is a line and that wheelsize should grow with frame
> size is an opinion that I would call a Riv exclusive in production bikes.
>  Where the cutoffs are seems to be more arbitrary from my perspective and
> Grant places those by instinct.  I still suspect that if there were a
> motivated customer who really wanted a 62cm 650B A Homer Hilsen, that
> Rivendell could make that happen, just like a 64cm Atlantis could be made
> to happen and an anysize Legolas could be made to happen.  I sometimes toy
> with the idea of selling my Hilsen and leaning on Rivendell to get me a
> Canti-Hilsen.  I bet I could make that happen, also.
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[RBW] Re: My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[Michael]

Oops, a double post. Sorry y'all.
 
Well, still don't know if I will ever sell or not.
But I think after these discussions, I believe full disclosure is only fair 
to the buyer. At least to keep my conscience clear.
It may lower the value for some interested buyers, may not matter to others.

Thanks for your thoughts, everyone! I appreciate it.

>  
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[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

[Bill Lindsay]

So good to hear you got out there.  Even though you fell, now you have a 
story that'll probably last a lifetime.  My mom was over at my house a 
while back when the washing machine popped a hose.  As we were mopping up 
she exclaimed "We're making MEMORIES!!"  See?  Some people think appliance 
failures are bad, but now I have a story I can laugh about!  ;-) 

On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> In a fit of inspiration? stupidity? I decided to try to ride my bike to 
> work on Friday. I should mention that the city of Vancouver had about 
> 10cm/4in of snow fall overnight, and I soon grew weary of waiting for a cab 
> that never came. I managed to make it two blocks before I fishtailed, and 
> not being nearly as savvy a rider as I make myself out to be, I stopped, 
> phoned in to work and told them I wouldn't be coming in, and spent the next 
> 45 minutes taking pictures and playing in the snow on the plaza in the 
> middle of my neighbourhood (the plaza is about 100 steps from my front 
> door). 
>
> After realizing that standing on snow for 45 minutes when you have RA 
> makes just about as much sense as shoving splinters under your fingernails 
> for fun, I headed back home. I was within 10 feet of my door when I wiped 
> out and fell on my well-padded tuchis in the middle of the street. Luckily, 
> I'm able to laugh at myself. 
>
> Pics prove the playing in the snow happened, a bruise proves the fall 
> happened (no photos of that, though).  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157638899404975/
>
> Cecily (the mad librarian)
>
> On Friday, December 20, 2013 2:37:37 PM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:
>>
>> Cecily,
>> As someone who has, from time to time, been physically prohibited from 
>> riding, I can feel your frustration. Almost every time I thought my cycling 
>> days were over, my body healed itself and allowed me to have another season 
>> of riding. I hope you have the same outcome. Keep your thoughts positive 
>> and keep reading this wonderful blog. There is a lot of inspiration here 
>> and a lot of people who care...Merry Christmas Cecily...
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Evan Baird]

I've asked Grant what he though about a larger 650b Marcos. I love how the 
little ones look with nice plump tires, but the BB is a bit low for a 
conversion. Maybe make a 54 and a 56cm for 650b based on the smaller bikes 
geometry. I think it would still be pretty sporty. Seemed like he was open 
to the idea.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7986804590_483aa6b08f_c.jpg

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:15:46 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I've got to call uncle, can anyone link me up to a PBH chart for the 650B 
> Homer's?
>
> Also any background on how Riv decided to close out the Saluki's and add 
> the 650B Homer's? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Bill Lindsay]

"Lots of folks make the assertion that the frames look too large/wheels 
look too small as an explanation for why makers such as Riv switch to 
700C on the larger size frames."

Well if you show me somebody who thinks your Saluki or your M.A.P. look out 
of proportion, I'll show you somebody who needs to have his/her head 
examined.  Those both look dynamite. 

"If Grant has ever explained his shift 
to this position I don't recall it. "

I'm not sure I can tell which position you are referring to.  The position 
that wheelsize should in some way track with frame size goes back to the 
first Rivendell model that came with multiple wheelsizes across it's size 
range, which would be the Atlantis?  That bike had and has 26" wheels in 
one end of the size range and 700c in the large end.  I don't know about 
pre-Atlantis bikes.  I think of the Road Standard being strictly 700, and 
the All Rounder being strictly 26", but I don't know for sure.  

Variable wheelsize is a standard part of Riv, and as far as I know is still 
completely unique to Rivendell.  How many Riv models have only been one 
wheelsize?  The Roadeo, the Legolas, the pre-Atlantis models, and I think 
that's all.  Heck, the Betty Foy came with three wheelsizes!  Is there 
another model of bicycle anywhere in the world that comes with different 
wheelsizes as a function of framesize?  I don't count the Long Haul 
Trucker, because that's a choice between wheelsizes in almost every frame 
size.  

If you mean the position that the cut-off between 650B and 700 should be at 
58cm, then yeah I don't think he's ever explained that.  I'm about your 
height Steve (75.5 SH), but bought a 58 Hilsen and put a longish stem on it 
to stay 650B.  Your 'Luki would have fit me great, and you are still free 
to ship your M.A.P. to me for evaluation anytime you like.  

The idea that there is a line and that wheelsize should grow with frame 
size is an opinion that I would call a Riv exclusive in production bikes. 
 Where the cutoffs are seems to be more arbitrary from my perspective and 
Grant places those by instinct.  I still suspect that if there were a 
motivated customer who really wanted a 62cm 650B A Homer Hilsen, that 
Rivendell could make that happen, just like a 64cm Atlantis could be made 
to happen and an anysize Legolas could be made to happen.  I sometimes toy 
with the idea of selling my Hilsen and leaning on Rivendell to get me a 
Canti-Hilsen.  I bet I could make that happen, also.  

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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Ray Shine]

Nice! My QB is also the first gen green. I was running drops until about a year 
ago when I switched those out for Albas with cork grips. I like that riding 
position much better, and since I climb a lot, the forward bends on the Albas 
are good for the climbing or aero poses.  As I said, I climb a lot, so I 
switched out the 40/32 for a 32/24. I have a dos eno 16/18 on the drive side, 
but also a free 22 on the flip side. I'm no blaze, but I can climb Mt. 
Tamalpais in the 32/22. These are great bikes, and lots of fun.





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> From: Tom Goodmann 
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:50 PM
>Subject: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer
> 
>
>
>Thanks to listmember Frank Neff, who delivered this beautiful Quickbeam about 
>forty-eight hours ago, building it up right here at the house using Open Pro 
>rims, Pasela 35s (from listmember Anne up in Michigan; thanks) and Paul 
>Touring brakes I had sourced elsewhere--come to think of it, the 
>bars/stem/levers are from this list or the BOB list.  It takes an e-village . 
>. . . 
>
>
>I'm not settled yet on bars (or colors of saddle and bar tape)--the bike will 
>likely have Moustache or Albastaches sooner or later--but, oh, does it ride 
>nicely!  Running 40/34 up front and 17 in the rear . . . and looking at the 
>Dos Eno 16/18 for the other side of this wheel.  
>
>
>Happy New Year, indeed.  --Tom     Miami, FL
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Eric Platt]

Like the look of the bike.  If the 60 takes wider tires, it could be a fine alternative to the Hillborne.  
Two other things - thought the blue and orange was in honor of the Denver Broncos.  And the camera Grant used has been my favorite for over a year now.  There are times I think it takes better snaps than my mirrorless system.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
sameness  wrote:Surely you all misspelled Syracuse.Jeff HagedornWarragul, VIC Australia




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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 07:06 PM, blakcloud wrote:
My guess is the tires are shaved Hetres. You can find some information 
here 
. 





No, just plain old ordinary regular ones.  Any shaving was done by way 
of natural wear.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 06:58 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
"Now as to why anyone would ever imagine this frame looks too large 
for the wheels, I just can't imagine."


I don't think Grant has ever said anything about it looking wrong


Lots of folks make the assertion that the frames look too large/wheels 
look too small as an explanation for why makers such as Riv switch to 
700C on the larger size frames.  If Grant has ever explained his shift 
to this position I don't recall it.


(and I agree with you, that your former Saluki looked great at 650B). 
 Even though your 'Luki was too stiff for you and had too much trail 
and flop for you, it was a great looking bike (despite the rear fender 
surgery).  ;-)


I hope it remains a great-looking bike for its current owner.


He is (or was) on the list, so perhaps he can speak up.

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[RBW] Re: Hey, Betty! (Old Haul Road)

[Cecily Walker]

My Rizzo loves dirt (and ground cover) - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9890812126/

.. and snow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/11468758174/

.. and pavement. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9578404571/

She truly does it all. 

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:26:16 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> A lot of the riders in my bike club are afraid to put their precious 
> bikes on dirt. But not all! I listed a club ride today that would 
> include Old Haul Road, a delightful dirt road connecting two parks. 
> Five other riders came out, four on road bikes, to enjoy a lot of 
> climbing and a, as a respite to the climbing, a terrific blast through 
> the redwoods along a creek on Old Haul Road. I was riding my Roadeo. 
>
> As we were having fun on the dirt, we passed a woman appearing to be 
> enjoying herself tootling through the woods (like I do when I'm riding 
> alone instead of with a bunch of guys pushing me to go fast). And she 
> was riding a gorgeous Betty Foy. When I took my bunch on Old Haul 
> Road, I didn't expect to see another sensible road bike rider who 
> wasn't afraid to take her steed off road, because usually it's all 
> mountain bikes on dirt around here. Yay for road bikes on dirt. 
>
>
> -- 
> -- Anne Paulson 
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 06:58 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
Nice, I get it. I like the black paint without a contrast color and 
the XTR crank among all the other nice touches. Which tires are those?


Red Hetres


They look like slick Hetres.  Does the frame have internal routing?


No, but there are guide loops inside the fork blade and on the rack. I 
don't have any photos that show them.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[blakcloud]

My guess is the tires are shaved Hetres. You can find some information 
here.
 


On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:58:33 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Nice, I get it. I like the black paint without a contrast color and the 
> XTR crank among all the other nice touches. *Which tires are those? They 
> look like slick Hetres. * Does the frame have internal routing? On the 
> front it looks like you ran the wires on the inside of the fork or I maybe 
> I'm just seeing the cyclo-computer wires.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Bill Lindsay]

"Now as to why anyone would ever imagine this frame looks too large for the 
wheels, I just can't imagine."

I don't think Grant has ever said anything about it looking wrong (and I 
agree with you, that your former Saluki looked great at 650B).  Even though 
your 'Luki was too stiff for you and had too much trail and flop for you, 
it was a great looking bike (despite the rear fender surgery).  ;-)

I hope it remains a great-looking bike for its current owner.



On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:05:19 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 12/30/2013 01:51 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>  
> Wasn't there a 60cm 650b Saluki? 
>
>
> There certainly was.  Here's one, that used to belong to me:
>  

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Re: [RBW] Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

I’m running a set of SKS Longboards (purchased from RivBike.com). Clearance is 
OK, even with the 42mm Hetres, but I wouldn’t want to go much bigger.

The Hetres *do* seem faster than Col de la Vies. The Hetres are the most 
expensive tires I have ever purchased; I hope they live up to their reputation 
for longevity and flat resistance.

--Eric Norris
Email: campyonly...@me.com
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On Dec 30, 2013, at 3:27 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:

> How's the clearance and what type of fenders are you using?  I might have to 
> take the plunge one of these days. 
> 
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:39:23 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
> Love the bike. Extremely comfortable, and certainly well suited to 
> long-distance brevets.
> 
> This was the first time on Grand Bois Hetres, and they did in fact make a 
> huge difference in the way the bike rides. Amazing how imperfections in the 
> road surface disappear.
> 
> Eric N
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> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> 
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> 
>> How are you liking the bike?
>> On 12/29/2013 5:12 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>>> Monsieur Bleriot visited Sacramento again:
>>> 
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639170958343/
>>> 
>>> --Eric
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> www.campyonly.com
>>> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: Albatross bar and stem length?

[Joe Bernard]

I had that setup on an AHH that was already a bit big on me (read: longish 
toptube). I ended up selling cockpit and frame (separately) so never 
made the swap, but I would have purchased a 13 stem to replace the 10. My 
experience with Albas is that the sweep-back is significant. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:09:27 AM UTC-8, blakcloud wrote:

> I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on 
> the Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is 
> needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a 
> longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11, 
> 12 and 13 cm stems. 
>
> My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would 
> you suggest? 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[rob markwardt]

How's the clearance and what type of fenders are you using?  I might have 
to take the plunge one of these days. 

On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:39:23 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Love the bike. Extremely comfortable, and certainly well suited to 
> long-distance brevets.
>
> This was the first time on Grand Bois Hetres, and they did in fact make a 
> huge difference in the way the bike rides. Amazing how imperfections in the 
> road surface disappear.
>
> Eric N
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>
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Bruce Herbitter 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> How are you liking the bike?
> On 12/29/2013 5:12 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>  
> Monsieur Bleriot visited Sacramento again:
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639170958343/ 
>
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[RBW] On lacing a B 17 Special, FWIW

[Patrick Moore]

http://pedal-trikes.blogspot.com/

The rider puts on 10K+ miles a year on a couple of tricycles in Denmark's
weather, and he describes his lacing process in detail, so I thought some
onlist might find the description of interest.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Soon! 

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On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:05 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:

> Eric you need to get some more profile pics of that beautiful Bleriot!
> 
> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 3:12:06 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
> Monsieur Bleriot visited Sacramento again:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639170958343/
> 
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[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

[Deacon Patrick]

Dde. Dude. Bud. Mon. DudeBudMaun! Dude.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 30, 2013 3:38:27 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Dude. Duuude. Dde. :-)
>
> Cecily (who never used that word before she moved to the Pacific Northwest)
>
> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:49:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> Oh, Cecily.  You re an A-1 dudette.  Making yourself go out, dealing with 
>> it, and laughing at yourself for folly.  Please don't take this as trite. 
>>  I really admire your courage.  
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> In a fit of inspiration? stupidity? I decided to try to ride my bike to 
>>> work on Friday. I should mention that the city of Vancouver had about 
>>> 10cm/4in of snow fall overnight, and I soon grew weary of waiting for a cab 
>>> that never came. I managed to make it two blocks before I fishtailed, and 
>>> not being nearly as savvy a rider as I make myself out to be, I stopped, 
>>> phoned in to work and told them I wouldn't be coming in, and spent the next 
>>> 45 minutes taking pictures and playing in the snow on the plaza in the 
>>> middle of my neighbourhood (the plaza is about 100 steps from my front 
>>> door). 
>>>
>>> After realizing that standing on snow for 45 minutes when you have RA 
>>> makes just about as much sense as shoving splinters under your fingernails 
>>> for fun, I headed back home. I was within 10 feet of my door when I wiped 
>>> out and fell on my well-padded tuchis in the middle of the street. Luckily, 
>>> I'm able to laugh at myself. 
>>>
>>> Pics prove the playing in the snow happened, a bruise proves the fall 
>>> happened (no photos of that, though).  
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157638899404975/
>>>
>>> Cecily (the mad librarian)
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 20, 2013 2:37:37 PM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:

 Cecily,
 As someone who has, from time to time, been physically prohibited from 
 riding, I can feel your frustration. Almost every time I thought my 
 cycling 
 days were over, my body healed itself and allowed me to have another 
 season 
 of riding. I hope you have the same outcome. Keep your thoughts positive 
 and keep reading this wonderful blog. There is a lot of inspiration here 
 and a lot of people who care...Merry Christmas Cecily...
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Deacon Patrick]

Proportions look almost identical to my 62cm Hunq.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 30, 2013 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 12/30/2013 01:51 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>  
> Wasn't there a 60cm 650b Saluki? 
>
>
> There certainly was.  Here's one, that used to belong to me:
>
>
>
> Now as to why anyone would ever imagine this frame looks too large for the 
> wheels, I just can't imagine.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[sameness]

Surely you all misspelled *Syracuse*.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

[Cecily Walker]

Dude. Duuude. Dde. :-)

Cecily (who never used that word before she moved to the Pacific Northwest)

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:49:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Oh, Cecily.  You re an A-1 dudette.  Making yourself go out, dealing with 
> it, and laughing at yourself for folly.  Please don't take this as trite. 
>  I really admire your courage.  
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> In a fit of inspiration? stupidity? I decided to try to ride my bike to 
>> work on Friday. I should mention that the city of Vancouver had about 
>> 10cm/4in of snow fall overnight, and I soon grew weary of waiting for a cab 
>> that never came. I managed to make it two blocks before I fishtailed, and 
>> not being nearly as savvy a rider as I make myself out to be, I stopped, 
>> phoned in to work and told them I wouldn't be coming in, and spent the next 
>> 45 minutes taking pictures and playing in the snow on the plaza in the 
>> middle of my neighbourhood (the plaza is about 100 steps from my front 
>> door). 
>>
>> After realizing that standing on snow for 45 minutes when you have RA 
>> makes just about as much sense as shoving splinters under your fingernails 
>> for fun, I headed back home. I was within 10 feet of my door when I wiped 
>> out and fell on my well-padded tuchis in the middle of the street. Luckily, 
>> I'm able to laugh at myself. 
>>
>> Pics prove the playing in the snow happened, a bruise proves the fall 
>> happened (no photos of that, though).  
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157638899404975/
>>
>> Cecily (the mad librarian)
>>
>> On Friday, December 20, 2013 2:37:37 PM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecily,
>>> As someone who has, from time to time, been physically prohibited from 
>>> riding, I can feel your frustration. Almost every time I thought my cycling 
>>> days were over, my body healed itself and allowed me to have another season 
>>> of riding. I hope you have the same outcome. Keep your thoughts positive 
>>> and keep reading this wonderful blog. There is a lot of inspiration here 
>>> and a lot of people who care...Merry Christmas Cecily...
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations! Tell us how you like the ride once you put some miles on
it.

My ideal dirt bike (ie, for the dirt conditions that I ride in, generally
flattish and sandy roads and trails) would be a Quickbeam that takes 60 mm
tires. The 40/34 X 17 gearing would be just right. One day 

Patrick Moore, who just rode his '99 gofast fixie 20 windy and hilly miles
in 50*F Corrales, NM -- and who actually downshifted to the 17/65" 'cause
the uphills had a headwind.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:

> Thanks to listmember Frank Neff, who delivered this beautiful Quickbeam
> about forty-eight hours ago, building it up right here at the house using
> Open Pro rims, Pasela 35s (from listmember Anne up in Michigan; thanks) and
> Paul Touring brakes I had sourced elsewhere--come to think of it, the
> bars/stem/levers are from this list or the BOB list.  It takes an e-village
> . . . .
>
> I'm not settled yet on bars (or colors of saddle and bar tape)--the bike
> will likely have Moustache or Albastaches sooner or later--but, oh, does it
> ride nicely!  Running 40/34 up front and 17 in the rear . . . and looking
> at the Dos Eno 16/18 for the other side of this wheel.
>
> Happy New Year, indeed.  --Tom Miami, FL
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Cecily Walker]

Right. I meant Auburn, not Clemson. The only SEC school that matters to me 
anyway is UGA. ;-)

On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:07:42 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> As a gamecock I hate Clemson colors but let's remember they are purple and 
> orange, oh and they got stomped by the pride of South Carolina again this 
> year!
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Peter Morgano]

As a gamecock I hate Clemson colors but let's remember they are purple and
orange, oh and they got stomped by the pride of South Carolina again this
year!
On Dec 30, 2013 5:04 PM, "Cecily Walker"  wrote:

> I like orange and blue, even if it reminds me of Clemson U. It also
> reminds me of the Denver Broncos, which makes me think of Peyton Manning,
> and that makes me happy, so I guess the colour combo makes me happy. That
> said,  I'm pleased to discover that I didn't experience buyer's remorse
> after seeing the bike like I thought I might. I do love the Cheviot's
> headbadge. I long for a nicer headbadge on the Betty Foy, but most days I
> don't even think about it. I really only think about it when I see the Hunq
> headbadge, and now, the Cheviot.
>
> The longer chainstays - would that have an appreciable difference on the
> ride quality?
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:15:31 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Will I get thrown off the list if I say I don't like the new mixte? I
>> guess orange and blue together look odd to me. And why use the lugs with
>> the hearts again? And fill in with blue? When I first heard the Betty was
>> being replaced, I worried that I'd love the new bike and regret the Betty,
>> but I think the Betty the lovelier bike, and also more fitted to the girly
>> city bike crowd (of which I'm a happy member). The Betty delighted ladies
>> everywhere with its smart femininity. And it was the second best selling
>> bike at Riv, if I recall. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I'm not
>> understanding the new bike...though the head badge is dazzling!
>>
>> I think if I was in the market for a Riv mixte, I'd have to pay for a
>> custom paint job; the Glorious red or the lipstick-creamy pink sumehra has
>> on hers... What do all the other girls around here say???
>>
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Cecily Walker]

I like orange and blue, even if it reminds me of Clemson U. It also reminds 
me of the Denver Broncos, which makes me think of Peyton Manning, and that 
makes me happy, so I guess the colour combo makes me happy. That said,  I'm 
pleased to discover that I didn't experience buyer's remorse after seeing 
the bike like I thought I might. I do love the Cheviot's headbadge. I long 
for a nicer headbadge on the Betty Foy, but most days I don't even think 
about it. I really only think about it when I see the Hunq headbadge, and 
now, the Cheviot.

The longer chainstays - would that have an appreciable difference on the 
ride quality? 



On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:15:31 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Will I get thrown off the list if I say I don't like the new mixte? I 
> guess orange and blue together look odd to me. And why use the lugs with 
> the hearts again? And fill in with blue? When I first heard the Betty was 
> being replaced, I worried that I'd love the new bike and regret the Betty, 
> but I think the Betty the lovelier bike, and also more fitted to the girly 
> city bike crowd (of which I'm a happy member). The Betty delighted ladies 
> everywhere with its smart femininity. And it was the second best selling 
> bike at Riv, if I recall. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I'm not 
> understanding the new bike...though the head badge is dazzling!
>
> I think if I was in the market for a Riv mixte, I'd have to pay for a 
> custom paint job; the Glorious red or the lipstick-creamy pink sumehra has 
> on hers... What do all the other girls around here say???
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Bruce Herbitter]

Additionally, Saluki could be had with cantis while homer is a side pull 
caliper.




On 12/30/2013 1:19 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Tony

The Saluki Geometry Chart is here:

Saluki Geometry 

The Saluki was offered all the way up to 62cm, with 650B wheels. 
 That's the bike you want if you want 650B and don't want to convert a 
700c Rivendell and insist on remaining tall.  :)


The geo of the Salukis and the 650B Hilsens are identical.


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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Leslie]

On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:48:00 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> War EAGLE!
> On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:59:22 PM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Orange and blue.  Must be looking for an Auburn win in Pasedena.. 
>> On 12/26/2013 6:53 PM, justin...@gmail.com wrote: 
>> > http://instagram.com/p/iZ6x_JLxEK/ 
>> > The glory of social media has uncovered it. What is it? 
>>
>

Ok, despite the colors of the wrong SEC team, lol, I really like the color 
on this; and I like the additional chainstay length.  And, there's no mixte 
in the stable, which I'd considered for awhile...

Overall, I like it.

But...

If it's the same clearances as the Betty/Gomez, max listed tire-size is 
40mm (maybe a 42mm);  that'd take a Hetre or a Rumpkin, but not the 650b 
Big Ben or a Quasi... oh, and on a Sam I could do a 55, but for the Bettys 
I'm a bit past the 55 size-wise, I'd probably need to go to the 60, which 
switches from 650b to 700c; in 700c, the Little Ben would fit, but, that'd 
fit my canti-Rom anyway... 

What I'd be hoping for, is a 'more economical' 650 mountain bike, mixte or 
otherwise... I'd be willing to undersize a bike a bit (like running a 58 
Hilsen to get a 650b instead of 59 700c); but switching to a Hilsen isn't 
going to be more economical than the Betty/Sam either  (Homers are 
designed for up through a 40, too;  I think you can squeeze bigger, but I 
don't 'know' that...) 

Cool bike, I like it, but, I don't think it's one that quite gets me 
anywhere I'm not already, or want to head...  Maybe at some point it'd make 
sense for me.  I do like it.   But, not at this point... 


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[RBW] Re: Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[RoadieRyan]

Eric you need to get some more profile pics of that beautiful Bleriot!

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 3:12:06 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Monsieur Bleriot visited Sacramento again:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639170958343/
>
> --Eric
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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[Bill Lindsay]

What you do is bring up details about your bike over and over here on the 
board, and save the content generated from the discussion, and use that 
content as "value added" when you resell your bike.  

"As discussed on RBW Owners Bunch"

My sister just bought a fixer upper home in Fullerton.  They have to 
replace large sections of hardwood flooring, and their floor-guy is great 
at salvaging flooring from all around Fullerton for just this purpose.  You 
match the age and style and everything.  Anyway, when he brought in the 
vintage wood, my brother-in-law asked "Where did you get these boards?" 
 The floor-guy just said "from an old building".  What my brother-in-law 
WANTED was "I rushed in to this 1920's era speakeasy and ripped them out 
just as the wrecking ball was about to topple the building".  He wanted a 
story to give his new-old-floor some soul.  Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers 
danced on these floorboards.  That kind of thing.  It's beausage in the 
storytelling vein.  

On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:29:14 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I thought this topic sounded familiar, but there's no harm in bringing it 
> up again. He's probably doing another round of "should I sell my Bleriot", 
> and wanted to get this part out there again.
>
> Personally, I probably wouldn't mention any sort of tip-over which didn't 
> result in damage to the frame. Bikes only have two wheels; they fall over 
> sometimes. Used-bike buyers know this.
>
> Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:46:15 AM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:
>
>> Are you looking for a different answer than you received a year ago? 
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LmOFbvQNDNcJ 
>>
>> Mike 
>>
>> On 12/29/13, Michael  wrote: 
>> > October 2012, I got hit in the side by a slow moving car that entered 
>> into 
>> > the traffic circle I was travelling through. 
>> > More like the car pushed me over than hit me. 
>> > 
>> > I took the bike to two LBS's to have it checked out before the 
>> insurance 
>> > settlement. 
>> > Both shops said that the frame was perfect. Alignment A-OK. 
>> > 
>> > Only damage on the bike was the rear rim, which was replaced. I didn;t 
>> even 
>> > 
>> > find any scratches from the accident, except the ones on me. 
>> > 
>> > Does the fact that it was in a accident devalue the bike, even though 
>> the 
>> > frame is perfecto and the components, too? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam ride in Sonoma County

[reynoldslugs]

Hi Phil,
That's a great route for a fixed-gear ramble... Wohler Bridge loves seeing 
a Quickbeam pass through:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157627211516316/

best,

Max B

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[RBW] Re: Brief Diablo ride report

[Jim M.]

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:52:13 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
>
> A first attempt at video/still/banjo montage proves it happened: 
> http://youtu.be/HsNNy1WF09k
>
>
Nice montage! I really enjoy the work of the videographers on the list. And 
if you didn't know, there is a bike path that parallels Ygnacio and takes 
you to Pleasant Hill BART without traffic.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[Joe Bernard]

I thought this topic sounded familiar, but there's no harm in bringing it 
up again. He's probably doing another round of "should I sell my Bleriot", 
and wanted to get this part out there again.

Personally, I probably wouldn't mention any sort of tip-over which didn't 
result in damage to the frame. Bikes only have two wheels; they fall over 
sometimes. Used-bike buyers know this.

Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:46:15 AM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:

> Are you looking for a different answer than you received a year ago? 
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LmOFbvQNDNcJ 
>
> Mike 
>
> On 12/29/13, Michael > wrote: 
> > October 2012, I got hit in the side by a slow moving car that entered 
> into 
> > the traffic circle I was travelling through. 
> > More like the car pushed me over than hit me. 
> > 
> > I took the bike to two LBS's to have it checked out before the insurance 
> > settlement. 
> > Both shops said that the frame was perfect. Alignment A-OK. 
> > 
> > Only damage on the bike was the rear rim, which was replaced. I didn;t 
> even 
> > 
> > find any scratches from the accident, except the ones on me. 
> > 
> > Does the fact that it was in a accident devalue the bike, even though 
> the 
> > frame is perfecto and the components, too? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: AHH, 4H and the Driveway moment.

[RonaTD]

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:00:52 PM UTC-6, Thomas Graves wrote:

> My second day out on my new (to me) Hilsen I had a similar moment. I biked 
> home from work, but the riding was too much fun, I didn't want to get off 
> the bike.  So I just kept riding.   
>

I know exactly what you mean. My first ride on the prototype for the Heron 
Road, I was out for around 2 1/2 hours, but I got to my garage door and 
turned around and went out for another hour. It's still my favorite bike.

Ted Durant 

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam ride in Sonoma County

[Patrick Moore]

Almost always my own before and after states of soul. Well, not "paranoid"
exactly, just irritable and sad.

Patrick Moore, who also needs his fix (heh, heh, heh) and hopes shortly to
go out on the '99 gofast fixed in sunny and (at this point in time) still
ABQ, NM (75" and 65" gears).


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:


> I very much enjoyed myself. I woke up cranky and paranoid, and went to bed
> relaxed and happy.
>


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[RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Bill Lindsay]

Tony

The Saluki Geometry Chart is here:

Saluki Geometry 

The Saluki was offered all the way up to 62cm, with 650B wheels.  That's 
the bike you want if you want 650B and don't want to convert a 700c 
Rivendell and insist on remaining tall.  :)

The geo of the Salukis and the 650B Hilsens are identical.  Why did they 
morphe the Saluki into 650B Hilsens?  I think just to simplify the buying 
process, because the bikes really are intended to be used the same way. 
 Why did the morphe cause Rivendell to ditch the 60 and the 62 frame size? 
 I don't know for sure, but I believe it has to do with Grant's general 
philosophy that wheelsize and body size should be related.  The biggest 
humans get the biggest frames and the biggest wheels.  The shorter folks 
get smaller frames and smaller wheels and the middle sizes are in a 
transition area.  

If I were you, and I was determined to own a 650B Rivendell, I would call 
them and tell them that I want to buy a 62cm 650B Hilsen.  They have the 
design done.  They have a vendor that makes the 650B bikes.  They have all 
the lugs, etc.  I can't think of a technical reason why they couldn't build 
it.  Maybe there is fixturing work that they haven't done at Waterford for 
that size.  Maybe they would simply say "no" on philosophical grounds and 
assure you that you'll do better on a 63cm 700c Hilsen.  

And then, to your question about mapping PBH to bike size on the Hilsen 
page, they absolutely do have that as a cheat-sheet at the showroom.  I've 
looked at it numerous times.  It was right there on the wall.  They 
absolutely don't mind idle curiosity, so don't be shy.  Or just email one 
of the guys.  They are always nice about it.  Even if you emailed them and 
said "I'm a 90PBH, and I really want to buy a 650B bike.  Would a 62cm 
Saluki on the second hand market fit me OK?", I promise they will respond 
honestly.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:15:46 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I've got to call uncle, can anyone link me up to a PBH chart for the 650B 
> Homer's?
>
> Also any background on how Riv decided to close out the Saluki's and add 
> the 650B Homer's? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously InterestedB

[Lee Chae]

I feel the same way, Patrick. Direct drive in the top gear, with a couple
of helper gears when absolutely necessary. I'm planning on using it on a
utility bike. Hopefully it's okay on a load-carrying bike...


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> After debating all the various possibilities for extending the gearing on
> my two Riv fixies, , I still come back to the S3X as the best idea. I like
> having the pawls in the add-on freewheel, and, especially, that direct
> drive is in 3d. Just waiting for the $$ to get them and have them built
> into wheels.
>
> Hopefully they will still be available at that distant future date when I
> do have the money.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the detailed review, Eric. I've been hemming and hawing about
>> getting one. Good to hear about your experiences of its durability.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>>> I have the S3X on two bikes, with thousands of combined miles. I’ve
>>> never had a failure—only one missed shift that I can recall in about two
>>> years of riding, and that was probably my fault.
>>>
>>> I don’t have proof, by my guess is that the S3X is more sturdy than a
>>> standard Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub because it doesn’t have pawls inside.
>>> Because it has no pawls, it also runs silently, without the constant (if
>>> quiet) ticking that a 3-speed hub normally makes.
>>>
>>> To run in fixed mode, you use a splined cog that slides onto the hub and
>>> is held in place by a locking. There’s a bit of “lash” in the hub—even with
>>> the chain properly tight, there’s a slight lag between backpedaling and
>>> forward pedaling. This eliminates a bit of the “flywheel” effect of a true
>>> fixed gear, but it still rides pretty much like a regular fixie.
>>>
>>> You also have the option of spinning on a standard one-speed freewheel,
>>> which turns the S3X into a coasting hub. The benefit to this setup is that
>>> the pawls (the part that usually breaks) is outside of the hub and easily
>>> fixed—either fix the freewheel or put on a new one. I have a White
>>> Industries Eno freewheel on my Quickbeam; my Motobecane is still in fixed
>>> mode.
>>>
>>> I have my bikes geared so that the top gear is my normal cruising gear
>>> (somewhere around 72 inches) and I have two lower gears for the steep stuff
>>> (75% and 60% of the top gear). With a top gear of 72 inches, this gives a
>>> low of 45, which is for me good enough until the gradient goes over about
>>> 10 percent. YMMV.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> Email: campyonly...@me.com
>>> Web: www.campyonly.com
>>> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Eric. Can you review the S3X hub? I'm thinking about using one but
>>> I know there were mixed reports on them when they first came out.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > Lee
>>> >
>>> >> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> That would be too easy.
>>> >>
>>> >> One solution I have found is to use a 3-speed hub, which gives me a
>>> good range of gears without messing with the wheel at all. I use a Sturmey
>>> Archer S3X, which I can run as a fixie or (with a standard one-speed
>>> freewheel) as a coasting 3-speed.
>>> >>
>>> >> --Eric Norris
>>> >> Email: campyonly...@me.com
>>> >> Web: www.campyonly.com
>>> >> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>>> >> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> >> Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ...or just run short brake pads
>>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Cable End Soldering

[Peter Morgano]

I have used krazy glue in a pinch, breaks down over a month or so but if
you don't have crimps and want to go for a ride without worrying about it
fraying it will work ok.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> I've heard of people using Krazy Glue, too. I decided to give soldering a
> try recently. To handle stainless steel cables, I uses flux and silver
> solder. It worked out fine:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/moec7cp
> http://tinyurl.com/k6md8ey
>
> Happy new year, all!
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Can't say that I have tried solder. However in a pinch, I once used nail
>> polish. It worked like a charm!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Peter Morgano]

Wasn't there a 60cm 650b Saluki? I think that is the biggest 650b bike
Rivendell ever made, but my knowledge isn't all encompassing so please
someone correct me if I am wrong.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> Was there a larger Hilsen 650b made? This is a really good question...
>
> I'm presuming as in the other end of the spectrum (smaller sized frames)
> there is less demand for bikes in larger stand overs. Rivendell has learned
> a lesson or two in moving/selling those frames at either end...a buddy of
> mine bought a 47 cm Hilsen for half of what I paid for my Hilsen lucky so &
> so...it's the old distribution model where businesses would project what
> sizes and number of units they needed and rolled the dice they'd all sell.
>
> These days the distribution chain is more controlled (thanks to computers)
> and you see less actual deals because of leftover stock. Instead retailers
> (not talking bike frames here) mark up their products 2.5 to 3 times
> wholesale with the notion that at the end of the season they can mark down
> and recover their investment.  Rivendell works off the old model because
> that's 1.)  the way the frame & fork industry operates in small batches
> (unless your Trek or Specialized) and 2.) I'm also assuming here they
> figure on doing customs for the sizes outside the average these days (not
> bashing Riv here) and deferring the financial burden to the buyer of their
> non standard sizes. I never really realized that my Hilsen was the largest
> 650b they listed/produced.
>
> I also know that you know all this it's just me being didactic for my own
> sake.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> I think you and Peter are right on wrt stand over/pbh as the guide line.
>> I just don't understand why the Homer wouldn't have the same type of info
>> available for sizing that the other Riv's have.
>>
>> I definitely want to get out to CO or find someone I can test ride an All
>> Road from at some point, it looks like a great frame.
>>
>> It's too bad that there isn't a clear, non-custom Riv option for a ~90pbh
>> person in 650B these days. (Got to refer back to Grant's post about the
>> 'simple-one' where he mentions this kind of sentiment where you pine for a
>> bike you didn't buy when it was available! :) )
>>
>> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously InterestedB

[Patrick Moore]

After debating all the various possibilities for extending the gearing on
my two Riv fixies, , I still come back to the S3X as the best idea. I like
having the pawls in the add-on freewheel, and, especially, that direct
drive is in 3d. Just waiting for the $$ to get them and have them built
into wheels.

Hopefully they will still be available at that distant future date when I
do have the money.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed review, Eric. I've been hemming and hawing about
> getting one. Good to hear about your experiences of its durability.
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>> I have the S3X on two bikes, with thousands of combined miles. I’ve never
>> had a failure—only one missed shift that I can recall in about two years of
>> riding, and that was probably my fault.
>>
>> I don’t have proof, by my guess is that the S3X is more sturdy than a
>> standard Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub because it doesn’t have pawls inside.
>> Because it has no pawls, it also runs silently, without the constant (if
>> quiet) ticking that a 3-speed hub normally makes.
>>
>> To run in fixed mode, you use a splined cog that slides onto the hub and
>> is held in place by a locking. There’s a bit of “lash” in the hub—even with
>> the chain properly tight, there’s a slight lag between backpedaling and
>> forward pedaling. This eliminates a bit of the “flywheel” effect of a true
>> fixed gear, but it still rides pretty much like a regular fixie.
>>
>> You also have the option of spinning on a standard one-speed freewheel,
>> which turns the S3X into a coasting hub. The benefit to this setup is that
>> the pawls (the part that usually breaks) is outside of the hub and easily
>> fixed—either fix the freewheel or put on a new one. I have a White
>> Industries Eno freewheel on my Quickbeam; my Motobecane is still in fixed
>> mode.
>>
>> I have my bikes geared so that the top gear is my normal cruising gear
>> (somewhere around 72 inches) and I have two lower gears for the steep stuff
>> (75% and 60% of the top gear). With a top gear of 72 inches, this gives a
>> low of 45, which is for me good enough until the gradient goes over about
>> 10 percent. YMMV.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> Email: campyonly...@me.com
>> Web: www.campyonly.com
>> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Eric. Can you review the S3X hub? I'm thinking about using one but I
>> know there were mixed reports on them when they first came out.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Lee
>> >
>> >> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That would be too easy.
>> >>
>> >> One solution I have found is to use a 3-speed hub, which gives me a
>> good range of gears without messing with the wheel at all. I use a Sturmey
>> Archer S3X, which I can run as a fixie or (with a standard one-speed
>> freewheel) as a coasting 3-speed.
>> >>
>> >> --Eric Norris
>> >> Email: campyonly...@me.com
>> >> Web: www.campyonly.com
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>> >>
>> >>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> ...or just run short brake pads
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Re: [RBW] Cable End Soldering

[Lee Chae]

I've heard of people using Krazy Glue, too. I decided to give soldering a
try recently. To handle stainless steel cables, I uses flux and silver
solder. It worked out fine:

http://tinyurl.com/moec7cp
http://tinyurl.com/k6md8ey

Happy new year, all!

Lee


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Can't say that I have tried solder. However in a pinch, I once used nail
> polish. It worked like a charm!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Hugh Smitham]

Tony,

Was there a larger Hilsen 650b made? This is a really good question...

I'm presuming as in the other end of the spectrum (smaller sized frames)
there is less demand for bikes in larger stand overs. Rivendell has learned
a lesson or two in moving/selling those frames at either end...a buddy of
mine bought a 47 cm Hilsen for half of what I paid for my Hilsen lucky so &
so...it's the old distribution model where businesses would project what
sizes and number of units they needed and rolled the dice they'd all sell.

These days the distribution chain is more controlled (thanks to computers)
and you see less actual deals because of leftover stock. Instead retailers
(not talking bike frames here) mark up their products 2.5 to 3 times
wholesale with the notion that at the end of the season they can mark down
and recover their investment.  Rivendell works off the old model because
that's 1.)  the way the frame & fork industry operates in small batches
(unless your Trek or Specialized) and 2.) I'm also assuming here they
figure on doing customs for the sizes outside the average these days (not
bashing Riv here) and deferring the financial burden to the buyer of their
non standard sizes. I never really realized that my Hilsen was the largest
650b they listed/produced.

I also know that you know all this it's just me being didactic for my own
sake.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> I think you and Peter are right on wrt stand over/pbh as the guide line.
> I just don't understand why the Homer wouldn't have the same type of info
> available for sizing that the other Riv's have.
>
> I definitely want to get out to CO or find someone I can test ride an All
> Road from at some point, it looks like a great frame.
>
> It's too bad that there isn't a clear, non-custom Riv option for a ~90pbh
> person in 650B these days. (Got to refer back to Grant's post about the
> 'simple-one' where he mentions this kind of sentiment where you pine for a
> bike you didn't buy when it was available! :) )
>
> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously InterestedB

[Lee Chae]

Thanks for the detailed review, Eric. I've been hemming and hawing about
getting one. Good to hear about your experiences of its durability.

Best,
Lee


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I have the S3X on two bikes, with thousands of combined miles. I’ve never
> had a failure—only one missed shift that I can recall in about two years of
> riding, and that was probably my fault.
>
> I don’t have proof, by my guess is that the S3X is more sturdy than a
> standard Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub because it doesn’t have pawls inside.
> Because it has no pawls, it also runs silently, without the constant (if
> quiet) ticking that a 3-speed hub normally makes.
>
> To run in fixed mode, you use a splined cog that slides onto the hub and
> is held in place by a locking. There’s a bit of “lash” in the hub—even with
> the chain properly tight, there’s a slight lag between backpedaling and
> forward pedaling. This eliminates a bit of the “flywheel” effect of a true
> fixed gear, but it still rides pretty much like a regular fixie.
>
> You also have the option of spinning on a standard one-speed freewheel,
> which turns the S3X into a coasting hub. The benefit to this setup is that
> the pawls (the part that usually breaks) is outside of the hub and easily
> fixed—either fix the freewheel or put on a new one. I have a White
> Industries Eno freewheel on my Quickbeam; my Motobecane is still in fixed
> mode.
>
> I have my bikes geared so that the top gear is my normal cruising gear
> (somewhere around 72 inches) and I have two lower gears for the steep stuff
> (75% and 60% of the top gear). With a top gear of 72 inches, this gives a
> low of 45, which is for me good enough until the gradient goes over about
> 10 percent. YMMV.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:
>
> > Hi Eric. Can you review the S3X hub? I'm thinking about using one but I
> know there were mixed reports on them when they first came out.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Lee
> >
> >> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >>
> >> That would be too easy.
> >>
> >> One solution I have found is to use a 3-speed hub, which gives me a
> good range of gears without messing with the wheel at all. I use a Sturmey
> Archer S3X, which I can run as a fixie or (with a standard one-speed
> freewheel) as a coasting 3-speed.
> >>
> >> --Eric Norris
> >> Email: campyonly...@me.com
> >> Web: www.campyonly.com
> >> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> >> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
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> >>
> >>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ...or just run short brake pads
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Peter Morgano]

Wouldn't it replace the Gomez since it seems to be a bit more male
oriented?


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Participating in LeahFoy's poll, but I'm male, though.
>
> I love the baby blue and red of the Betty Foy, but...
> My wife preferred the black and gold and got a Gomez, but
> Don't be surprised if I show off a proper blue and red Betty for myself
> sometime soon.  Despite that
> I like the orange and blue just fine, especially the two color and two
> spelling downtube decal and the headbadge, but
> If I was to get a custom repaint, I would copy Sumehra's hot pink and
> cream.  I actually emailed her for permission, but
> Who said the Cheviut is REPLACING the Betty Foy?  I agree that would be
> weird.
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:15:31 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Will I get thrown off the list if I say I don't like the new mixte? I
>> guess orange and blue together look odd to me. And why use the lugs with
>> the hearts again? And fill in with blue? When I first heard the Betty was
>> being replaced, I worried that I'd love the new bike and regret the Betty,
>> but I think the Betty the lovelier bike, and also more fitted to the girly
>> city bike crowd (of which I'm a happy member). The Betty delighted ladies
>> everywhere with its smart femininity. And it was the second best selling
>> bike at Riv, if I recall. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I'm not
>> understanding the new bike...though the head badge is dazzling!
>>
>> I think if I was in the market for a Riv mixte, I'd have to pay for a
>> custom paint job; the Glorious red or the lipstick-creamy pink sumehra has
>> on hers... What do all the other girls around here say???
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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[Bill Lindsay]

Participating in LeahFoy's poll, but I'm male, though.  

I love the baby blue and red of the Betty Foy, but...
My wife preferred the black and gold and got a Gomez, but
Don't be surprised if I show off a proper blue and red Betty for myself 
sometime soon.  Despite that
I like the orange and blue just fine, especially the two color and two 
spelling downtube decal and the headbadge, but
If I was to get a custom repaint, I would copy Sumehra's hot pink and 
cream.  I actually emailed her for permission, but
Who said the Cheviut is REPLACING the Betty Foy?  I agree that would be 
weird. 

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>
> Will I get thrown off the list if I say I don't like the new mixte? I 
> guess orange and blue together look odd to me. And why use the lugs with 
> the hearts again? And fill in with blue? When I first heard the Betty was 
> being replaced, I worried that I'd love the new bike and regret the Betty, 
> but I think the Betty the lovelier bike, and also more fitted to the girly 
> city bike crowd (of which I'm a happy member). The Betty delighted ladies 
> everywhere with its smart femininity. And it was the second best selling 
> bike at Riv, if I recall. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I'm not 
> understanding the new bike...though the head badge is dazzling!
>
> I think if I was in the market for a Riv mixte, I'd have to pay for a 
> custom paint job; the Glorious red or the lipstick-creamy pink sumehra has 
> on hers... What do all the other girls around here say???
>

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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[Philip Williamson]

Or if it was re-aligned, also no harm done. :^)
It sounds, though, like the original poster is looking for this: "Dude. 
Keep your bike and do whatever you want to it!" 

I had the same fear of diminishing the resale value of my Bontrager by 
changing anything... 14 years on, it's worth 25% of its original cost 
*anyway*, even in NOS condition.  

Philip
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On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:20:31 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> If the frame didn't go out of alignment, no harm done.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Michael 
> > wrote:
>
>> October 2012, I got hit in the side by a slow moving car that entered 
>> into the traffic circle I was travelling through.
>> More like the car pushed me over than hit me.
>>
>> I took the bike to two LBS's to have it checked out before the insurance 
>> settlement.
>> Both shops said that the frame was perfect. Alignment A-OK.
>>
>> Only damage on the bike was the rear rim, which was replaced. I didn;t 
>> even find any scratches from the accident, except the ones on me.
>>
>> Does the fact that it was in a accident devalue the bike, even though the 
>> frame is perfecto and the components, too?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Campy Only!: Alex Singer Shop in Paris

[Eric Norris]

Thought this might be of interest to members on this list:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/alex-singer-shop-in-paris.html

I visited the Alex Singer shop in 2011—it’s an amazing place, simply drenched 
in cycling history.

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Re: [RBW] New bike siting: Cheviut/Cheviot/Chevrolet?

[LeahFoy]

Will I get thrown off the list if I say I don't like the new mixte? I guess 
orange and blue together look odd to me. And why use the lugs with the hearts 
again? And fill in with blue? When I first heard the Betty was being replaced, 
I worried that I'd love the new bike and regret the Betty, but I think the 
Betty the lovelier bike, and also more fitted to the girly city bike crowd (of 
which I'm a happy member). The Betty delighted ladies everywhere with its smart 
femininity. And it was the second best selling bike at Riv, if I recall. I 
don't want to be a spoilsport, but I'm not understanding the new bike...though 
the head badge is dazzling!

I think if I was in the market for a Riv mixte, I'd have to pay for a custom 
paint job; the Glorious red or the lipstick-creamy pink sumehra has on hers... 
What do all the other girls around here say???

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[RBW] Cable End Soldering

[Tony Lockhart]

Can't say that I have tried solder. However in a pinch, I once used nail 
polish. It worked like a charm!

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[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering

[George Schick]

The comment about unsolder-able stainless cables replacing the old 
galvanized ones is spot on.  I used to like to solder mine, too - can't do 
it any more, though.  However, I do like the idea of placing a small piece 
of heat shrink on the ends - never thought about doing that before, but 
it's a good one.


On Monday, December 30, 2013 5:31:35 AM UTC-6, Michael Glaser wrote:
>
> I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no 
> one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced 
> galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes.  And apart from being 
> able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality 
> stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 09:39 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
Love the bike. Extremely comfortable, and certainly well suited to 
long-distance brevets.


This was the first time on Grand Bois Hetres, and they did in fact 
make a huge difference in the way the bike rides. Amazing how 
imperfections in the road surface disappear.


Hetres are wonderful.  They ride very well, last a very long time and 
are (in my experience, anyway) robust and get very few flats. When the 
"ribs" wear down smooth there's still around 2,000 mi of tread life left.


There's even good in worn out ones.  You know very often you get glass 
punctures and cuts that go all the way through the tire and leave 
sometimes excessively large holes.  A used Hetre offers the perfect 
material for patching and repairing such holes.  The Hetre has a very 
large sidewall area between the bead and the tread rubber -- more than 1 
cm wide, much larger than other tires -- that is perfect as a glued-on 
inside boot to patch such holes.  Both rubber cement and Shoe Goo work 
to paste such patches down.  I've also used a patch made from a Hetre 
sidewall to fix an abrasion or scuff that had gone all the way through 
the sidewall of a Pari Moto, that one with Shoe Goo.  (I wasn't 100% 
sure the scrape went all the way through, not until I pumped up the tire 
and the Shoe Goo started oozing through!)


I've even used material taken from a worn-out Hetre to fix a tear in the 
sole of a Performance neoprene bootie:  a patch inside made from the 
sidewall, and a section of tread rubber pasted on the outside, on top of 
the sole over the tear.


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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[justinaugust]

It's in the eye of the buyer. As a buyer I'd be suspicious of anyone who didn't 
disclose contact with a car. If I was out riding later and someone said "Oh 
that's 's old Bleriot? Can't even tell it was hit by a car!" I'd feel there 
was not due disclosure on 's part and not do business with them again. 

My personal belief is that full, honest disclosure is the best policy. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Albatross bar and stem length?

[Kieran J]

I have an Alba bar mounted on a 135mm-ish Ritchey Force stem. I like the 
extension. I think I would feel cramped with less than a 120mm.
 
KJ
 

On Monday, December 30, 2013 9:09:27 AM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:

> I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on 
> the Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is 
> needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a 
> longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11, 
> 12 and 13 cm stems. 
>
> My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would 
> you suggest? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Brunch Ride to Sacramento with my Bleriot - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Love the bike. Extremely comfortable, and certainly well suited to 
long-distance brevets.

This was the first time on Grand Bois Hetres, and they did in fact make a huge 
difference in the way the bike rides. Amazing how imperfections in the road 
surface disappear.

Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Bruce Herbitter  
> wrote:
> 
> How are you liking the bike?
>> On 12/29/2013 5:12 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Monsieur Bleriot visited Sacramento again:
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639170958343/
>> 
>> --Eric
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>> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: Albatross bar and stem length?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I don't think stem length is as critical with a swept back bar as it is 
with drops.
Changing from Noodles to Albas I went from an 8 cm to 11 cm stem. 12 would 
probably work just as well for me.
I would take my best guess and try to get a good price on a used stem. If 
it doesn't work out, you can probably get all or most of your money back 
and try again.
 
Jay
 
On Monday, December 30, 2013 4:09:27 PM UTC+2, blakcloud wrote:

> I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on 
> the Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is 
> needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a 
> longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11, 
> 12 and 13 cm stems. 
>
> My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would 
> you suggest? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Albatross bar and stem length?

[blakcloud]

I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on the 
Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is 
needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a 
longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11, 
12 and 13 cm stems. 

My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would 
you suggest? 


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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[qwerty]

Are you looking for a different answer than you received a year ago?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LmOFbvQNDNcJ

Mike

On 12/29/13, Michael  wrote:
> October 2012, I got hit in the side by a slow moving car that entered into
> the traffic circle I was travelling through.
> More like the car pushed me over than hit me.
>
> I took the bike to two LBS's to have it checked out before the insurance
> settlement.
> Both shops said that the frame was perfect. Alignment A-OK.
>
> Only damage on the bike was the rear rim, which was replaced. I didn;t even
>
> find any scratches from the accident, except the ones on me.
>
> Does the fact that it was in a accident devalue the bike, even though the
> frame is perfecto and the components, too?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] AHH, 4H and the Driveway moment.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2013 07:23 AM, ascpgh wrote:
I saw Davis play that on the pier in Baltimore the night before I went 
into Walter reed to get my leg put back together. Very "stop in the 
driveway" good. An American in Paris did that to me later and lead me 
to find (and frequent) the establishment and downstairs piano where 
Brubeck composed it just off of L'Opera, in Place Vendome, 1st arr., 
Paris (I love context).


If you love context and are interested in WWII let me recommend in the 
highest possible terms _Guns at Last Light_ by Rick Atkinson, vol 3 of 
his Liberation Trilogy, which tells the story of the liberation of 
Europe, 1944-1945.



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Re: [RBW] My Bleriot's Resale value diminished because of this?

[Eric Daume]

If the frame didn't go out of alignment, no harm done.


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Michael  wrote:

> October 2012, I got hit in the side by a slow moving car that entered into
> the traffic circle I was travelling through.
> More like the car pushed me over than hit me.
>
> I took the bike to two LBS's to have it checked out before the insurance
> settlement.
> Both shops said that the frame was perfect. Alignment A-OK.
>
> Only damage on the bike was the rear rim, which was replaced. I didn;t
> even find any scratches from the accident, except the ones on me.
>
> Does the fact that it was in a accident devalue the bike, even though the
> frame is perfecto and the components, too?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: NS bag and Nitto rack FS

[Steven Frederick]

Rack is sold but the bag is still available-price drop to $90 shipped.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/11532217756/lightbox/

Thanks, Steve


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> I also have the Nigel Smithe greed tweed rackpack and the Nitto Campee
> rack from Anne's Bleriot available.  They're like new.  I'd like $130
> shipped for the rack, $110 for the bag, or $220 for both
>
> Pics:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/11532268503/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/11532217756/lightbox/
>
> And the bike before the parts and accessories came off:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/11463313625/lightbox/
>
> Thanks!  Prices negotiable on all this, BTW.
>
> Steve
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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hugh,

I think you and Peter are right on wrt stand over/pbh as the guide line.  I
just don't understand why the Homer wouldn't have the same type of info
available for sizing that the other Riv's have.

I definitely want to get out to CO or find someone I can test ride an All
Road from at some point, it looks like a great frame.

It's too bad that there isn't a clear, non-custom Riv option for a ~90pbh
person in 650B these days. (Got to refer back to Grant's post about the
'simple-one' where he mentions this kind of sentiment where you pine for a
bike you didn't buy when it was available! :) )

Tony

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Re: [RBW] AHH, 4H and the Driveway moment.

[ascpgh]

I saw Davis play that on the pier in Baltimore the night before I went into 
Walter reed to get my leg put back together. Very "stop in the driveway" 
good. An American in Paris did that to me later and lead me to find (and 
frequent) the establishment and downstairs piano where Brubeck composed 
it just off of L'Opera, in Place Vendome, 1st arr., Paris (I love context).

Christmas night I left work around 8:30 and began my ride home in a fine 
sifting snow and found myself going the other way, taking a loop around the 
quiet downtown to see the holiday sights before going to my late night 
dinner engagement. Everything else in the world was gone and I felt like I 
was floating along on my bike. Priceless.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:24:51 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 12/29/2013 09:00 PM, Capital T wrote:
>  
> I hear that people who drive cars have this experience they call a 
> driveway moment where they get home and the story on the radio is so good 
> they sit in the car to finish listening.  
>
>
> That's exactly what happened to me the first time I heard _Kind of Blue_.  
> It was a show on NPR -- I think this very 
> showfrom 
> 2001 and two bars into So 
> WhatI
>  was hooked.  Fixed in place.
>
> It's still hard for me to believe I'd never heard it -- indeed, never 
> heard of it -- before, although the record had been released when I was in 
> high school, 42 years before, and had long been a universally acknowledged 
> masterpiece and the best selling jazz record of all time.  
>  

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[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering

[ascpgh]

Up vote that. Finished cables in that way at the shop, then put the end 
caps on delicately (CPSC compliant). Those were the MTB heydays and there 
was a 60% chance a newly, carefully, built bike would be back in a week or 
two after being heavily used off-road and in need of cable/housing cleaning 
to return shifting and braking functions. Pop the lightly placed end caps 
off and the cables strip out of housings and can be fed back through them 
like butter. Our free first month of service could tolerate easily cleaning 
things up but not replacing cables and housings. 

On mine, after the solder I shape the soldered ends to blunted round 
end  with a fine file for greatest ease of feed into the housings. They 
won't poke you for blood if you brush against the end either. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:42:10 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier 
> pinch marks on them.  In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip 
> the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable 
> ends picked up the solder by capillary action.  And leave it at that. No 
> pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end.
>
> Anyone as persnickety as me?
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering

[Michael Glaser]

I'm a huge fan of old school mechanics techniques, but the reason that no 
one solders cables anymore is that stainless has all but displaced 
galvanized steel for cables on nicely-spec'd bikes.  And apart from being 
able to take solder, galvanized cables have nothing on good quality 
stainless cables when it comes to smoothness and longevity.  

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[RBW] Cable End Soldering

[William R.]

I have been using heat shrink wiring insulators for a while now with nice 
results. About an inch of it at each cable end. Extending over the end about an 
eighth of an inch. Nice, clean and safe.

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[RBW] Re: AHH, 4H and the Driveway moment.

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Great looking Homer, Thomas.
 
My AHH been through several different set-ups over the past 2 years. 
Current build has drops, lacks racks, and does not have dynamo lights… it 
hangs in the garage much of the time while the alba'd, racked and lighted 
bike gets ridden pretty much daily. I've been thinking of doing some 
re-configuring and this set-up is inspiring. 

--Smitty



On Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:00:52 PM UTC-8, Thomas Graves wrote:
>
> I hear that people who drive cars have this experience they call a 
> driveway moment where they get home and the story on the radio is so good 
> they sit in the car to finish listening.  
> My second day out on my new (to me) Hilsen I had a similar moment. I biked 
> home from work, but the riding was too much fun, I didn't want to get off 
> the bike.  So I just kept riding.  
>
> Today, the third day on the new AHH, it joined the elusive 4H club. 
>  Despite the Headwind, Hill, Heavy Load and after a Hard Days work the bike 
> was still a joy to ride.  ( I was hungry too, but 5H doesn't have the same 
> ring) 
>
> Here are some better photos of the build: 
>   
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/82477996@N05/sets/72157639170299446/
>
> Its a 1x9, Sugino crank borrowed from another bike, hence the mismatched 
> black (But I kind of dig the mis-matchedness)  
> I'm sticking with a single silver shifter (silver shifters are the best!) 
> on the downtube for now.  I have been really enjoying this.  Doing very 
> little shifting.  I set one gear on the way to work (mostly downhill) and a 
> different one for the way home.  Feels a bit like a single speed, but the 
> gears are there if I need them.  
> 700c 36 spoke Velocity Dyads built by Peter White. SON Hub in the Front, 
> XTR in the rear. Pit lock skewers for the dangerous Austin, TX streets. 
>  These wheels I share with my touring bike.  Sharing a wheelset seems to 
> make sense.  Switching wheels is super easy.  One of the easier things I 
> have to do if I am getting ready for a tour.  And dynamo hubs ain't cheap. 
> Mismatched tires for now:  Pasela Panaracer TG 35mm and Schwalbe Marathon 
> Supreme 32mm
> Busch & Mueller lights.  I have been having these and don't remember the 
> exact models.  (if you look close you can see that I used the bracket 
> designed for the front light and flipped upside-down to mount a fender 
> light to the braze-on on the seat stay)
> Paul Racer center pull. 
> Pass and Stow Rack, Freight and Baggage bag.
> Albatross Bars - I LOVE THESE BARS. So many different great positions. 
>  Overall they make me feel like a kid. 
>
> The ride is amazing.  I get that flying feeling.  This is maybe 
> embarrassing, but I can get a little overwhelmed by the joy.  
> This one has been a long time in the making--I have wanted the AHH for 
> years.  And its better than I could have imagined.  
>
> Here is to all those bikes that have come before the Hilsen that now seem 
> shitty in comparison. But they deserve a heart felt thanks for all getting 
> me all the places I had to go, the places I didnt have to go,  and hauling 
> all those heavy loads and always getting me home.  Thanks and good 
> riddance.  
>
> Ok. Off to wire up the rear light. And shellac the cork grips.   
>
> Happy Riding! 
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Larger 650B Homer's

[Hugh Smitham]

What Peter said is how I determine frame size relative to my PBH which is
84 cm and I went with a 58 cm with a stand over of 82.2 cm.

What's interesting IIRC your riding a 64 cm Atlantis but want something a
bit smaller which I  imagine would still put you outside the Hilsen's 650b
stock frame sizes...unless they have some larger ones hanging in the
rafters they're not talking about? Or maybe you'd have to have a Riv
custom. In which case that Rambler is looking pretty nice. Or the Tig
welded Boulder Bikes All Road 650b  frame set for $1435.

Still waiting on that second saluki question.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> The geometry sheet is definitely usefull in comparing the different
> frame's but what I was hoping for was a PBH range recommendation assigned
> to Homer sizes, like is found in most of the bike descriptions on the main
> site.  There are an awful lot of Homer sizes of course, and they probably
> just want you to call and have a conversation about it.  Idle curiosity...
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:35 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Don't know if *this*
>> is
>> what your looking for? On the second perhaps someone else can answer that.
>> I'd be curious to hear the explanation.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:15:46 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got to call uncle, can anyone link me up to a PBH chart for the
>>> 650B Homer's?
>>>
>>> Also any background on how Riv decided to close out the Saluki's and add
>>> the 650B Homer's?
>>>
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