Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Garth]

   Well gee Leah, I have the P50 fenders on my Bombadil, they've been on 
there since I bought it. This year I got some 700x50mm Big Bens.The actual 
fender width is a little more than 50mm , and the tire a little less, *and 
there is more than enough vertical clearance*... as in however much I want. 
The width coverage is surely not "as they say" , yeah well so what, it's 
good enough for me. I have them on there more for road debris anyways, not 
so much rain as I find in an actual downpour I get soaked anyways and 
everyways and so does the bike. 


On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 5:44:28 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
>
> Fenders: Riv says no, the SKS 50 will not work with Big Ben. Tight 
> clearance that will be noisy and troublesome.
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

[Garth]

I find this fun and useful also !

http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Garth]

Leah, on your Betty, the one that fits you best, measure the distance 
with a tape measure(metric preferred but regular will do) in between the 
saddle tip and either side of the bars right next to where the stem is. I 
really mean "in between" , as in place the tape measure's body right up 
against the saddle tip and extend it to the inside of the bars next to the 
stem. This gives you a firm number, there's no wiggle room for guesses 
here, no centers to guesstimate .  Now do the same with your new Clem-L.  
Compare the distances and post it here.   This will help with a stem 
adjustment, if necessary. 

The Clems have a 1/2 degree seat tube angle than the Betty, which means the 
exact same saddle and seatpost mounted exactly the same fore/aft, the Clems 
will be a little further back. I forget the mathmagics involved offhand, 
but it will be around 4-5mm give or take guesstimation. 


On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:48:58 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Tom, the Clems. I’ve got it bad. We have enough in my family and extended 
> family that I think our family crest should be the Clem headbadge. Forget 
> that sewer guy.
>
> I’m agonizing over the stem. I just purchased the 90 and paid to have it 
> installed. I wish the bars came just a smidge closer to me, but I don’t 
> think I want to pay for all these things all over again. I compromised and 
> moved my saddle just a tiny bit, and I still think my butt is behind the 
> pedals, so hopefully I’m not screwing up my knees too badly.
>
> But, if I *were* to spurge again and get a new stem, how would I know what 
> size to try next? Should I go for an 80 or down to a 70? These are the 
> things that make me so sad I don’t live by anyone I know from this List. 
> Curses!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Garth]

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 6:25:00 PM UTC-5, Keith Weaver wrote:
> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
> something ?

The size chart is there, where it's been. On the geo page, the live links of 
the new and old charts are in BLUE :


Sizing and Geometry Charts - November 2019

Our newly update 2019 PBH (Pubic Bone Height) sizing chart. For older models, 
including MUSA Atlantis' and Homers, please reference the 2017 sizing table 
here.

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Garth]

 
Close enough Mark, there aren't enough words to describe *that which is 
everything*, including the word itself :) 


My favorite ride, is this One  it's Life Itself ! 
 




On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 7:05:56 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I understand the lighter tubing equals "flexier" "more spirited"  or 
> "planes." I had a L'Avecaise with a 7/4/7 top tube, and currently have a 
> Panasonic DX5000 with same.  My sweet spot is probably 531 with 8/5/8. My 
> point is, both the Suzie and the Gus are OS tubing and likely not the 
> lightest OS tubing, and it might be a bit difficult to feel the difference. 
> But who knows, maybe not.
>
> If I were getting a fillet-brazed HilliBike, I would go with the Suzie 
> because I fall in the designer's recommended weight class, but perhaps 
> also, deep down in that terrible dark place in my cycling soul that rejects 
> the Just Ride ethos, in the hopes that it would be a tad snappier. However, 
> I've been spending quite a bit of my limited saddle time lately on a 
> beautiful red mid eighties Peugeot, and I can tell you JR is where it's at. 
> And nothing much better than a HilliBike of whatever tubing with that 
> objective in mind (or non-mind, or un-mind? No mind? Garth, help me out!)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Choco vs choco-moose

[Garth]

   A bullmoose is great if it's the set angle downward that you prefer, if 
not, not so much.  Stiffness isn't everything, it depends on the rider 
preference. It's never as if bars bend and flex in hands like wet noodles, 
though some act like it does ! 


On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 1:43:02 PM UTC-5, Keith Swanson wrote:
>
> Can anyone speak to the practical difference riding between the choco and 
> choco-moose bars?  I've read the description on the Rivendell site but am 
> curious to hear from others.  I've recently switched from a drop bar Sam to 
> a Clem L with a bosco bar and assume the choco would be somewhere in the 
> middle (it would be for an Appaloosa).  For some reason I find the 
> choco-moose bars to be more aesthetically pleasing than the plain choco 
> bars.
>

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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Garth]

FWIW, The original orange Clementine is PERFECT , just utterly the perfect 
name and color to go with it.  It is womans name, a fruit ? Either/or, it 
doesn't matter to me.  Calling it a Clem-L(in this case it stands for LESS 
the Whole name !)  seems like it was edited to suit some agenda over 
their original wisdom in choosing the name in the first place. Imagine 
wanting to call your daughter Clementine, but "someone in the cheap seats" 
in the family complains because they consider it offensive for some reason. 
Press them on the validity of those reasons, and they go blanco and it 
becomes apparent they've bought into an opinion they've heard, heresay... 
which isn't anything at all. 


I grew up with an AWESOME Mom . Amazing things happen when you trust your 
kids to be themselves, and she instinctively knew this in us all. That's 
strength you know . it's not about what you accomplish or don't 
accomplish  it's about what you ARE ... which is THAT you ARE . in 
celebration of this utter simplicity and profondness , yes ... profound 
fondness... appreciation real LOVE ...  just for Being. 


Being-Oneself is neither offensive or defensive, neither defends or offends 
 in Love there is no "other" at all. 




On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Hmm...the name, the name I have thought about this issue many times 
> and I think I’m finally ready to say something about it. I expect to get 
> some harsh responses, but hopefully it’s not because you think I’m being 
> harsh; I am merely intending to have a conversation with you. Pretend there 
> is coffee. 
>
> Rivendell has fans of both the male and female variety. Clearly, I’m in 
> the latter group, so that is from where my perspective is coming to you. 
> Over the years I’ve heard plenty of comments like “Oh, I love that bike 
> except that it’s a mixte.” Or “I don’t know if I’m man enough to ride the 
> Cheviot/Betty.” Once someone told me that he wouldn’t ever consider a mixte 
> frame (due to its feminine connotation and nothing else) until he was old 
> and feeble, and EVEN THEN, he’d still try to avoid it in favor of a diamond 
> frame. Grant obliterated the name Clementine in favor of Clem Smith, Jr so 
> as to take gender out of it, but really, just the feminine name was 
> eliminated and a masculine replaced it. That one hurt. The new Hillibikes 
> are being offered with two names, one feminine, and it seems like some 
> consider that a knock against the bike. To say you can’t live with Susie 
> Longbolts (sp) but Gus Boots Willsen is great seems unlikely. They are both 
> goofy names. 
>
> 2 issues: 
> 1. Why does it seem feminine names are polarizing? What is it about a 
> mixte or step-through that a man might see as threatening to their 
> masculinity? Is femininity seen as derogatory? Weak? Shameful?  What? 
> 2. Why are women expected to ride bikes with male names and not be 
> offended? A man can’t ride a bike with the name Clementine because it 
> doesn’t represent him, but a women is expected to ride her Joe Appaloosa, 
> or her Clem Smith Jr without complaint. 
>
> Leah 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus/Susie presale is live this morning! New blog on Gus impressions!

[Garth]

  Me too Alex . Bright Sun shiney popsicley ORANGE    Now all I 
need is some warmth with the Sun  Oh Summer where are you ?   





On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:27:07 PM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>
>
> I scored an orange Susie!!
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus/Susie presale is live this morning! New blog on Gus impressions!

[Garth]

The Geometry page has been updated with Susie and Gus !

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry


Myself I'll likely go with the Alex DM24 rims and T610 hubs from Rich@Riv 
as I don't ride tubeless and the Cliffhanger's tubeless design can be 
difficult to mount/dismount tires, according to a talk w/Vince.  That's 
what the possible new rim is about, tubeless capable but easier get tires 
on and off. They won't be available anytime soon though, "if" at all. 

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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Garth]

 To me, trying not to offend anyone, offends everyone. Trying to please 
everyone pleases no one. It's as if being oneslef, literally being alive  
is never good enough so one must forever compromise one's inherent wisdom 
and peace and joy  for the sake of "something else". Someone elses idea of 
how one oughta be, and those someone elses don't have a clue as they are only 
repeating what they too were told. It's all bunk as no one has any right or 
authority over anyone else, over Life Itself. 

You know I once bought a used fleece pullover from Poshmark, sold as a mens XL. 
When I got it I knew it was different, tapered cuffs, scooped sides and left 
handed buttons. Leah knows  it was a womens ! You know what, I love it and 
the detail to it, it has some style, it's not "squared" off like mens stuff. 
That it's a womens means nothing much as I see clothing for what it is, 
clothing. Whatever feels good to wear, wear it. The only difference is the cuts 
of the fabric, which comes down to style. I like stylecurves and swoops and 
variation. The point here is a bike is a bike, the name is like an adornment to 
the paint and frame. The name doesn't say anything good, bad or anything else 
about the rider, the manufacturer or anyone. It doesn't make someone something 
they are not, or unmake what they are that they are. 

Ride on ever smiling in all the boundless joy of Being  😀  
weee  ! 

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Garth]

 The larger diameter tubing in the Gus is functional for the purposes of 
stabilizing larger loads/riders. The idea of "saving weight" and it's 
desirability seems to ingrained in the cycling world that few question it. 
Do question it to your own satisfaction ! Does less weight alone really 
make for a "better" cycling experience ?  Really, better than what ? Sez 
who , and what makes that who any authority that you are not ?  Chasing 
weight is hilarious in so many ways, among them few consider the one 
actually riding the bike !  

In gest .Oh, what about that water and bottles ?  Oh ... that's gotta 
go !  Food ? Nope, there's no place for that , either carrying it or even 
eating it. Lightweight cycling runs on "ether" you know !!!  Clothing ? Not 
even    Ahahaahahaha !  


Seriously though,  I only consider the bar/stem combo I'll be using. If I 
was surely going to use a certain 31.8 bar all that's need is a 31.8 
threadless stem. What height and angle ?  Do I mind having potential extra 
steer tube above the stem ?  Answer for yourself ! 
There are fewer 31.8 quill stems so if that seems like a good idea one 
better know what's really available beforehand. A threadless quill adapter 
allows for all use with any threadless stem. Usable quill heights range 
from very little to quite high.. I've used the VO/Genetic brand one for 
years and I don't even think about. 


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[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[Garth]

There comes that time when it's either jump off into the "unknown/abyss" 
 or don't.  You can ask for opinions about "what's it like" all day 
long, but your experience will never ever ever be like any other. 


Riding a bike is no different, let alone any other moment. You can ask 
"what's it's like" of endless people and there will be endless answers of 
varying conviction. None can prepare you or dictate to you what your ride 
will be like.  Why ? Because Life isn't a cookie cutter 
prefabricated/duplicated experience. Every moment is unique and original.  
A frame's ride qualities don't exist in a vacuum all by themselves. What 
"measuring/accountings" fail to account for is not only the one measuring, 
but all "everything else"  in real-time, which is really Infinite . 
never the same/twice, never duplicated. 





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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Short cranks ARE grand indeed !   I have long legs and big feet and I 
too ride 152mm and 150mm cranks. Whatever works , go with it !   

The last set I bought were the Andel 110/74 triples from Bikesmith 
Design in Minnesota. I may try the Sram triple for the Susie Longbolts. The 
owner/operator shortens to order.  
http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/Short_Cranks/

   


On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 6:21:05 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>
>
> PS. I'm not on internet-bob anymore, so you can go tell them for me on the 
> Crank Length thread they're all wrong and shorty cranks are the way to go. 
> They love it when I tell them their gear is wrong! 😂 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

I just tested these after posting, and google gives me one of these silly 
red "deceptive site" warnings . which is hilarious as google is calling 
google groups a "deceptive site" !  Ahahaahahaha !

So if you see the red warning, choose to ignore it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Hi Roberta, I'm using Firefox in Linux Mint.  I did some searching about IE 
and it seems it has no such option, which is rather archaic on their part ! 

Instead try these urls of the images I see in my browser, if they aren't 
live then copy and past in separate tabs. 

https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26ab610050226/Clem-l-59.jpg?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrG558PPoIizu8t-8Pj2wtiTgkRn77z1X8Bp58CrfwZ9eQfqrANrpnHgPMAH8x45x2U6M275GLt5f18e8RrJ5XoylJmSEeDJKyjKnQpyK-U6VRk9-Jw

https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26ab610050226/Clem-L-59_1600x.jpg?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrH46PlB1zt_u2CbYbMA67p0-8ytQ1yGtTeJOTG8fowFwoeDl0MrTeu-a0qaL8Rn5VctZqxpOP7054k861p9rhzi11_LocIA59-qD_z-kU4YZKncHys





On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:40:17 PM UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> Garth,
>
> What browser are you using?  I don't have a view option (IE in Windows 10, 
> and, yes, I know it should be something else).
>
> Roberta
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Right click on the images, click "view". This will open them full size. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Yes David thats in the ballpark.  I only inquired about the 59, which 
is now spec'd @ 69.5 degree heat tube angle, 68.5cm effective TT and a 75cm 
front-center. the seat tube angle is the same 71.5. Obviously the effective 
reach, measured horizontally from the vertical center BB up, to the center 
top of the head tube, has increased notably. 

These dimensions are similar to the new Gus/Susie frames, though personally 
I prefer it's higher and elegant swoop-tube, plus they offer a higher head 
tube and more water bottle options besides the obvious larger tire 
options.  




On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 1:07:59 PM UTC-5, David Carner wrote:
>
> I don't claim to "know", but I suspect it has to do with the Clem now 
> being considered part of the Hillibike stable.
> My crude measurements on a new 52 compared to the numbers in the geometry 
> chart on the frame page are:  Effective top tube has increased 3 cm. (61 to 
> 64), front center by 7 cm. (65.3 to 72+), chain stay by 2.5 cm. (52 to 
> 54.5). Garth, is that in the ballpark of what Will told you?
> David
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

  
Yes they are considerably different Leah in that they are as you found out, 
considerably longer in the front overall.  I noticed it in the first email 
photo of Grants new blue 59cm Clem-L(he formerly rode a 52) and called Will 
@ Riv to get the specs and that confirmed it. While I knew that would be 
great for someone tall like myself, and prefers a more leaning forward 
position, other people who have Clems may not like it without some 
re-adjustments.  


I can't tell what length/height stem you have, but obviously one that 
offers a shorter *overall *reach will help. The shortness can be done with 
various angle and lengths, meaning a 80mm stem that rises say 25 
degrees(above flat level) like a Dirt Drop will have a shorter overall 
reach(flat level) than one that lowers by 17 degrees, like a Tallux, at the 
same bar height.  





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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

[Garth]

The vid . such is the goo-gle non-edit non-feature here. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

[Garth]

Apparently it's in the design of some tubeless rims. This is what the 
possibly new rim mentioned by GP is about, working with the mfr. on a rim 
that is still tubeless but not a pita to install/remove tires.  

Watch this vid, there are some useful tips here, namely the part about 
making sure to place the first bead into the center channel where the 
diameter is smallest. Also, rim tape thickness. I now use basic 3/4 " 3M 
strapping tape, it's the thinnest material you're going to find and it's 
very very strong.One single layer. It must be *strapping tape*, the kind 
with nylon cords in it. 






On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 9:27:06 PM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>
> So I picked up one of Will's huge Rosco mixtes from the list and hooked it 
> up with some Velocity Cliffhanger rims, that bike screams for some big 
> rubber so I went with the WTB trail boss 29x2.4 because I was looking for 
> something with a lot of traction, but the things were a major PITA to get 
> on the rims. They've been fine, but yesterday I pedaled through some stuff 
> that I shouldn't have and got a flat. I had all the things to patch the 
> tube so, with some effort, I got the tire off the rim and fixed it but, 
> despite trying to the point of breaking a plastic tire lever, couldn't 
> manage to get the tire back on. 
>
> My question is: how do I know if a 29" tire will comfortably fit a 700c 
> rim? The MTB companies market 29" tires but I know people run them on 700c 
> cliffhangers, does it have to do with tubeless compatibility? Does that 
> make them tighter? I'm so confused. 
>
> I've never had this much trouble with a tire before. Anyone else struggled 
> with the same thing, or have some knowledge on the subject, or know a good, 
> wide tire with mud traction that will for sure work??
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[RBW] Re: Adding Seatpost QR to Riv

[Garth]

  The QR that Riv uses are not anything special, I asked. They clamp 
on/over each side in total. The hex bolt space doesn't get filled in, so if 
perfect paint is your thing this is not for you as it's gonna get scuffed.  

  I'd get a steel one myself, like this : 
https://thebikeshopstore.com/categories/sunlite-seat-binder-quick-release-6-x-50-60mm-chromoly-steel








On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 1:33:43 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone successfully added a Quick Release Seatpost binder to a 
> Rivendell frame?
>
> I feel like I know what I need in general. QR that is long/short enough 
> that mates with the nut on the other side and some spacers/washers that fit 
> into the space where the hex bolt head usually sits. What I don't (yet) 
> know is what exactly I should use. If anyone has setup that they like 
> particularly well let me know. It will likely save me some trial and error.
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Re: Crankset & STI Compatibility

[Garth]

The Sugino info sez it's for 10/11 speed.  
https://www.suginoltd.co.jp/us/products/road/ox.html


On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:20:32 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Anyone know if Sugino XO601 Compact Plus double cranksets are compatible 
> with STI shifters?  Thinking 42-28 for a Roadini.  If STI is compatable w/ 
> this type of crank, what is the biggest cog that I can put on the rear if 
> using a FD such as CX70.  Probably thinking 9 speed, will consider 10.  Any 
> advice appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice: Best Tires for Non-Ideal Rims

[Garth]

If you can find a tire that rides the way you like, get it even if it's not 
necessarily 2.35/2.4.  

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Garth]

I can't speak to the photos specifically as to the diameter or width, but 
the production-to-be Gus/Susie in Large and XL are 29ers, small/medium are 
27.5. Max tire 2.8 for all.  The prototype large may be 27.5, at least 
Deacon Patrick's was. That's common for some of Riv's prototypes, the Bomba 
was the same way. The email photo of the Susie had XR2 29x2.6. Trek website 
lists it as 29 x 2.6 or 3.0 and 27.5 x 2.6/2.8.

I don't suspect Riv would stock and sell 2.6 or 2.8 tires until the frame 
is ready to be sold. I asked Vince about the possible new rim for wide 
tires and he told me the "hang up" was literally just that, overly tight 
fitting tires on tubeless rims. The mfr. they're working with believes they 
have a way to make it easier yet still remain tubeless compatible, which 
apparently isn't negotiable with the mfr. for obvious reasons. 

I suspect the one piece bar/stem on the Susie in Joe's photo if offered for 
sale would be threadless only. It would go directly on a Gus of course, use 
a quill adapter for the Susie. That way they don't have to stock 2 types. 
Quill adapters are fine, I use them on 2 bikes. They're great as you have a 
whole lot more choice of stems, and the Gus/Susie really needs a 4 bolt mtb 
stem anyways. 





On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 1:52:40 PM UTC-4, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
>
> What size are the XR2s on the Gus? I can’t make out the size on the 
> sidewall.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Garth]

Without actually measuring anything you have idea what you are working with, 
either bar or stem.


Even if the bar is slightly out of spec, an open face stem is much more 
accomodating, the bars don't have to be exact like a single bolt. I've used 
25.4 swept back bars in 26.0 open face stems w/o a shim and they didn't budge. 
2 and 4 bolt stems usually offer a wider clamp area also. 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on gravel "races" and events

[Garth]

Just be yourself  it's the most simple thing of all.   Such is the 
"sweet spot" ... always perfect as-is  for that which is  simply 
and irrevocably is ... and oh so wondrously is. 

The Sun is the Flower as the Flower is the Sun   never two   there 
is always only the Inseparable and Indivisible. 




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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Garth]

I prefer 2 and 4 bolt open face stems myself, or at least a steel single 
bolt one. I've never had any of those slip. 


On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> One of the main reasons 31.8makes more sense. Slips substantially less.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Garth]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/bar$20slip|sort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/-0wcciQEqq0/gzdmgfBvDAAJ

This is applicable. Seems like sufficient torque(with torque wrench of some 
sort) and/or blue loctite on the bolt threads. Carbon fiber friction paste 
also. Do measure both the bar and the stem, don't take it for granted they 
are what they say. 


On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 3:37:06 PM UTC-4, jeff perry wrote:
>
> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I 
> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of 
> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up 
> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to 
> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else 
> experiencing similar problems?

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[RBW] Re: Advice Sought on Hubs and Rim Choice

[Garth]

 

Thanks James , just before I came back here I was on the phone with 
Velocity about their standard MTB wheelset w/unpolished silver Cliffhangers 
and black ATB hubs. I asked about replacement FH bodies and yes, they do 
stock them for current hubs and try to stock them if a model changes 
suppliers. They're listed on the website too !  
http://store.velocityusa.com/p/cassette-body/hubs_parts_cassette-bodies?pp=12


I'm not sure if the Bitex hubs you are referring to but the UK Bitex 
website lists more than the US one. Yeah, one flat shipping rate of 60 
pounds/about 75 USD, ouch !

https://bitexhubs.co.uk/product-category/mountain-bike-hubs/

https://bitexhubs.co.uk/product-category/road-hubs/

https://bitexhubs.co.uk/product/bx103r/This one is available in 135mm 
QR and silver !  

These guys sell some Bitex in the US, but all disc mtb hubs. 
https://www.bikehubstore.com/category-s/226.htm



On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Hi Garth, 
>
> A few things: 
>
> According to Velocity, there are no replacement FH bodies available for 
> their hubs.  That right there knocks those outta contention for me.  What 
> good is a hub if you can't service it?  It's like having a stick shift car 
> you can't put a new clutch in.  
>
> I import my hubs from the UK.  As far as I know (and I know very little 
> about what other shops are doing!) we are the only ones who import them 
> from the UK cause it's a PITA, not unlike Middleburn Cranks and Jtek 
> stuff.  Not worth it for higher volume shops.  They are not listed on the 
> Bitex site.  They only come in silver or black, 32 or 36 hole count.  
>
> -james
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice Sought on Hubs and Rim Choice

[Garth]

James, which Bitex models are you referring to as almost all of their J 
bend rear hubs are available in a 135mm QR axle ?  
http://bitexhubs.com/htm/index.php


Any experience with a Velocity ATB hub, the base cartridge bearing one ? 
https://www.velocityusa.com/product/hubs/atb-rear-hub  It seems like an 
alternative to the Shimano ones and from what I've seen Velocity offers 
very good warranty service. 

 I noticed on a new Deore rear hub some sag and lag of the chain as you 
mention, leading to some chain suck which I've never experienced on the 
Bombadil using Sachs freehweels. 




On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 2:57:04 AM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Bitex touring hubs are the best bang for the buck touring hub out there.  
> Big Enduro sealed bearings, rebuildable steel freehub, adjustable bearing 
> preload... About half the cost of White.  I don't know why anyone would 
> build a nice wheel without butted spokes.  Sapim force or race spokes go on 
> even our most budget oriented wheel builds.  After multiple mud seasons, 
> the bitex hubs we run on our personal bikes are still spinning smoothly.  
> Yearly tear downs reveal only the most minimal contamination.  The main 
> difference in 'ride quality' is going to be engagement and ease of 
> coasting.  Shimano FH bodies are not rebuildable, and have a relatively 
> short service life in my experience (19 years building wheels).  Coasting 
> with Shimano FH bodies is often sort of sticky, with the chain lagging and 
> sagging when you go rapidly from pedaling to coasting.  That, plus the slow 
> engagement, are all the 'ride quality' differences you are going to have 
> between a nicer hub and a Shimano.  Bitex hubs use 48t engagement with 6 
> pairs of pawls.  White by contrast, uses 3 pawls, no pairs.  The White hubs 
> are nice, and they look better.  That's the main draw, besides slightly 
> lower weight.  
>
> Re:  Rim widths.  If you don't care about Tubeless, the Atlas rim is fine, 
> but get it with machined sidewalls for more consistent braking.  Really 
> though, the Cliffhangers feel fine with 38mm tires even on really rough 
> terrain, and why run a tire smaller than that ever?  Plus you can run 
> tubeless, which for the desert, has gotta be helpful.  
>
> For whatever it's worth, we stopped selling Atlas rims and Shimano hubs 
> about 3 years ago.  Bitex touring hubs are that much better, as are 
> cliffhangers.  A bit more scratch, but not a ton!
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Wheel builder 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 9:20:43 AM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>> I'm building up a new-to-me MIT Atlantis.  My best guess is that this is 
>> my final build short of deciding to have a custom frame built for me, which 
>> is unlikely.  As a result, I'm willing to spend somewhat more on components 
>> that I otherwise would.  I've been thinking about the wheels I want and 
>> would be grateful for advice.  Are Velocity rims and Deore hubs more than 
>> sufficient -- in other words would I notice any difference in the short- or 
>> longer-term if I use more upscale hubs such as Phil Wood, Chris King, White 
>> Industries or Shimano XTR?  For rims, I've been thinking about using 
>> Velocity Atlas as I'll be riding on and off-road in the desert southwest. 
>>  Are there other rims I should consider?  Thanks for your input.
>>
>> Steve Cole
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice Sought on Hubs and Rim Choice

[Garth]

Checking on the XT hubs from here : 
https://www.kstoerz.com/freespoke/hubs?MfgId=4&OLN=135.0 and looking up the 
diagrams it seems the aluminum axle versions are 770 and above. The issues 
seem related to the freehub and springs breaking, not the axle or bearing 
size.  

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[RBW] Re: Advice Sought on Hubs and Rim Choice

[Garth]

For your tire choices I'd go with a Velocity Quill., tubeless and 25-47mm 
tires.

All I can about hubs is the high end ones don't offer any guarantee over 
the "basic" yet reliable Deore/LX T610/T670hubs. The newer XT 
style(Aluminum axle ones) had some freehub failure issues in the past, but 
I surely hope it's been worked out by now but how to find this out you got 
me. Hence, I'd trust Deore/LX first. 

For a custom build, I'd consider Prowheelbuilder if you want higher end 
hubs. By all accounts I've seen people are happy with their builds from 
them, and for full custom wheels they're much less than individual builders 
or building them yourself. 

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil

[Garth]

  
 You're welcome for missing the point. 
 

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Dearest Garth, the OP came here in search of a possible price to ask for a 
> bike he wants to sell. He's not giving it away. Thank you. 

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

[Garth]

  John, although the bike doesn't fit you, it doesn't sound like you really 
want to sell it, or at least go through "the process" of sale and all that 
may include.  Who says you have to sell it and for what cost , and what 
makes them some sort of authority over your own sense ?   Hell, you can do 
anything you want with it, sell it or give it away.  I've had many things 
that I once enjoyed, or thought I did, that I have even given away to 
people who had use for them.  Seeing or hearing the joy of someone using 
those "things" is priceless.  I'm not telling you to do anything or not, 
you already know exactly what that is. 

  Really it's not going to make any difference regardless of what you do 
with the bike. 


On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 8:54:00 PM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m considering sellingBombadil. What do you think a reasonable price 
> would be?  It’s a Waterford frame, Joe Bell paint. Nitto, Sun XCD, SON, 
> Bush and Mueller,  Honjo, Brooks, Compass. Nicer than any 10 year old bike 
> has a right to be. 
>
> It’s just too short for me and I’m not riding it. 
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil 52 cm near mint

[Garth]

  Joe, the Bombadil frame specs are still included in the current Riv geo 
charts, at the bottom in gray. 



On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 11:19:05 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey John, what's the toptube length? I know my Rivs pretty well, but I 
> confess I haven't a clue about Bombadil sizing. 

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[RBW] FT/ISO Nitto Billie Bar and Nitto Hi Riser Quill Stem

[Garth]

   
Greetings. I'm wondering if anyone has a new or EXC Biilie bar and/or Hi 
Riser quill stem for trade. I have to trade a brand new 55cm Albatross 
Aluminum or a used Albastache in VGC I bought from a fellow lister that I 
never used.  

I may consider an outright purchase too, just ask.

For a straight trade I'd prefer each pay own shipping, upon agreeing to of 
course. Open to negotiations though if need be. Or if you're looking for 
something else in exchange let me as I have a spare parts collection. 

Contact/ask here or off list, whichever works for you. 

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[RBW] Re: Spindle length for TA Cyclotouriste on Roadini?

[Garth]

 
  Sheldon likely used a 115 as his frame had 126mm rear spacing. A 
130/135mm rear can use a wider one. What length will also depend on the 
brand of BB as there are differences in left/right differential between say 
TA, Phil Wood, Shimano and SKS. Chainline itself anyways isn't limited to 
any specific numbers despite what anyone may say, a longer or shorter 
driveside can be used to align certain cogs in the FW/CS with the 
chainrings depending on a preference.  With the UN55's you can always use a 
1-2mm driveside spacer if you like.   For an Andel triple I installed on my 
Bombadil I bought both the 115 and 118 UN55 and found the 115 with 2mm 
spacer was fine. So buy both and decide for yourself ... or just get the 
118. 


On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 12:58:18 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:

> Just grabbed a TA Cyclotouriste for my Roadini without overthinking it as 
> I usually do, price was right and it already had 46/30 rings. Need to order 
> a BB now, is anyone else running the same or similar setup? I'm fairly sure 
> 118mm is the right spindle length, that's what VO recommends for their 
> 46/30 Cyclotouriste clone and this 11 year old RBWOB thread about the 
> Saluki 
> 
>  
> recommends the same but Sheldon claims it's 115 
> and that's enough to give me 
> pause. What do you think - 118 or 115?
>
> Oh, and would anyone be interested in the BSA threaded TA bottom bracket 
> it comes with? It's probably the right length but I suppose I just don't 
> keep it real enough to deal with repacking and adjusting, especially given 
> the proportion of gravel to road I ride. Haven't got my hands on it yet but 
> here's a pic from the eBay listing. 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: A Genuine Pretend Anniversary Mixte

[Garth]

Seems I'm all out of "practical advice" ...

Questioning and reasoning and rationalizing is like pretending your *Doggie 
present in the room,* isn't present , and pretending-scheming-plotting how 
to make Doggie become present.   All silly of course as Doogie is present 
the whole time  never missing in the first place..  All the planning 
and scheming in the world can't/won't make Doggie appear as Doggie is 
always present. 




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[RBW] Re: Clem L 64cm Size Range

[Garth]

   
   Dave, I had ordered a 64 on Friday but called later in the day and 
changed it to a 59. I'm 6'3', 92cm pbh .  I have a 60cm. Bombadil which 
fits me perfect. Out riding the other day it occurred to me that with a 
4cm. taller seat tube , my thighs could rub on the seatstays. If the 64 
Clem had the socket type seat lug it would have been alright as it places 
the stays well rear of the seat lug, but it uses a lug that places it 
forward, just like the Bombadil. My saddle is always as far back as 
possible. This is just my thing, I prefer no rubbing of thighs on 
anything.  I was already 50/50 between the 2 sizes but the thigh thing gave 
me a clear choice. 

   One thing that hasn't been spoken of about the new Clems in how much 
longer they are in top tube and front-center, about 4 cm. Plus the head 
tube angles are 69.5. I had asked Will for the dimensions. The *59 and 64 
Clems are now 68.5/70 TT and  75/76 FC*.  Even I wondered if the 64 would 
be so high-front that I'd have use a -73d stem, which I really dislike. My 
Alba bars are already high enough and I use a 90's Zoom 0d 130mm stem.  
With the 59 Clem I may try Billie bars and the Hi-Riser stem.  These are 2 
inches more swept back than the Albas which with the extra TT length may be 
about the same reach as my Bomba with Albas. No Bosco, too little usable 
had space.

   What you may prefer could be entirely different , maybe you like 
oversized bikes, maybe not. Gotta know your self ! 

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[RBW] Re: Recommended Painters in Eastern US

[Garth]

  Yes , in Ohio I've had a custom built by Franklin Frames and a 
repair/repaint of a Bombadil.  Very Nice for single color paint jobs I 
requested !  He used Dupont Imrom paint though he may have others. 

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[RBW] Re: ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

[Garth]

You can get mesh safety vests sold for cyclists, runners, etc. They don't 
weigh anything and they comes in all sorts of sized to wear over anything. 

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[RBW] Re: Smaller tires on Cliffhanger rims? Snoqualmie (44mm) or small as 38mm? Sam Hillborne 700c

[Garth]

I can't speak to Cliffhangers but I used to ride 28-30mm tires on 25mm(OD) 
Mavic A719 rims. I never thought twice about. I see now Mavic list the rims 
as for 25-47mm tires.  In Road racing circles it's common to pair a 25mm 
tire and 25mm rims.  Velocity may be covering their legal agreements in 
their recommendations. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  Yes 50 is right, they'll be about 46mm and you might have to get the 
fenders adjusted when installed, maybe not hopefully the mechanic is 
competent ! 

*Schwalbe Big Ben, RaceGuard Performance line, wire bead, HS439 - 650B x 48 
(50-584, 27.5x2) - 10138 - 745g, 35-70 psi*



On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Wait, not in 50 - where did I get that? Who put this idea in my head? 
>
> The tire size is “27.5 x 1.75” and the bike has fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

   I've had some Kenda tires of a different model, they were fairly light 
and folding even . and they too felt sluggish. The Big Bens, despite 
weighing much more ride so much better and as I've said repeatedly  
roll and roll and roll . on over yonder and hill and dale. I ride the 
exact same hills with my much lighter road bike and I ride up in the same 
gears and speed that is ... slow ! Ahahahahaha ! 

  Big Bens it is .  Call them the killer B's ...


On Friday, SepteThe Clementine feels, even on flat land, a big sluggish. I 
rarely shifted on my Betz but I need to on the Clementine, like the bike is 
always in a gear that’s a little too hard. I want to see if better tires 
would help that. 

>
> So, in light of that, do we think Schwalbe Big Bens in 50 will be the 
> ticket?

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Re: [RBW] Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  Yeah !  It's funny how all so-called dis-ease with not just tires, but 
anything and everything, is a *comparison*.  The thing is though, the 
present is incomparable. No matter how or what or where or who or how 
you're riding, for example,, you can't make it any faster or slower or 
better or worse in any way, you cannot change the present being, It always 
is presently Being , always on time, never late, early, fast or slow . 
immeasurable as there isn't anything to/from/as which to compare.  I'm 
not saying anything that isn't inherently known and living  this is 
appreciation for and as LIFE BEING !  

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  It doesn't matter what pressure Leah ... you're enjoying the ride and 
that's all that matters. Rules are for foolz !


On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine 
> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps 
> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I 
> know...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

   Well that's interesting PM !  I prolly weigh more/less in the same 
ballpark and I first tried the BB @ 25-30 psi but found the rear(Rhyno Lite 
rim) a bit bouncy on the road, and the front felt like it was gonna roll 
off the rim(25mm Mavic) when I leaned hard into corners.  Felt like is one 
story, actuality is another though and I wasn't in the mood to find out.  I 
suspect that sense of rollover though is from the large round profile 
tires, something I've never ridden before.  Off road I would go much lower 
though as these are not pleasant at 35 psi. !   I have lots of steep curvy 
roads around here

   On my "road" bike I run some Forte Metro 35mm tires @ 35-40 psi, 
sometimes less, and they feel awesome, though the 531ST tubing, long 
wheelbase and relaxed angles all help. 


Quite seriously, I don't want to step on Garth's or any one else's toes, 
> but I'm 175 lb and I ran 50 mm tires, and paper thin ones at that (Furious 
> Freds, 360 grams each) at 20 psi on dirt, sub 30 on pavement. 60s if stiff 
> sidewalled Big Apples at 16-17 dirt and about 21 pavement, supple ones 
> 18-20 dirt, 25-6 pavement (generally, I just leave them at the lower 
> pressure unless I take an extended pavement ride). I just found that when I 
> pump my 28 mm Compass extralights rock hard, the digital gauge reads 51 
> psi; should run them at 45. I put 80 f/90 rear in supple 22 mm tires. All 
> this often includes freight loads up to 40 lbs.
>
> Don't overfill! Pinch flats -- I *never* get pinch flats for some reason 
> -- can be avoided by being just a very little bit careful.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

The Clem takes up to 60mm/2.4" tires, but with your fenders which are 
likely P50's(about 53-54 actual) the Big Ben 50's(46 or so actual) fit 
fine. I bought the BB over the Big Apples just for the extra tread and 
lifespan. Trust me, the tread does little if anything for traction on the 
road and nothing for off road. As I said they roll with ease !  It's a BA 
with 50 grams more rubber. 


On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:29:51 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Ok, Friends, you’ve got me interested in the Schwalbe tires, and of those, 
> I think the Big Ben and the Big Apples sound good. I don’t know that I need 
> the tread of the Bens since I’m really a paved surface kinda gal. But I’m 
> open here! The next question is what size. I was out there with a 
> flashlight just now and I see the Clementine tires are Kenda “27.5 x 1.75.” 
> Just out of curiosity, I looked at my son’s 45 cm Clem, and he has Kenda 
> “26 x 2.10.” Can he really have fatter tires than me?! 
>
> I’m asking you and not Rivendell because I probably won’t order tires from 
> them. 
>
> You are lifesavers, 
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  For your bike(27.5 wheels) Leah I'll second the 50mm Big Ben tires. I 
ride these on my Bombadil and I LOVE them on the road. I ride them at about 
35 psi front and 40 rear.  They just roll and roll and roll it's 
amazingly fun !

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Garth]

  
Three cheers for using shorter cranks !  I use 150/152 with long legs and 
sz.14 feet. 36" pbh.  Slightly forward of midfoot shoe placement.  Not only 
no loss of power, but much more efficient use of it. I can climb seated now 
whereas with 170-185's I never could.  I mostly ride road, but do ride on 
some local township "roads" that are as rough and irregular as any mtb 
trail, and often steep and super steep.  Seated climbing the whole time ;-) 
. 

I may go even shorter to 140-145 with the next Andel  triple cranks I get 
from Bikesmith Design, or another Origin8 double you can buy off the 
shelf.  




On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:56:52 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
> PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, 
> but I detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on 
> the saddle and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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[RBW] Re: BB splines slight small?

[Garth]

That's no fun Joe !   Do the bearings have any marking on them to identify 
the brand ? I know Tange does. Do you know anyone or have nearby a shop 
with tools that you could see if they fit ?   Sometimes these tools are not 
up to spec., at least I've found that with Park.  There's only the one tool 
type for that spline pattern. I recently had a Park cassette tool I had 
purchased years ago and never used, I went to use it and it was slightly 
too big to fit, definitely out of spec. I bought an IceToolz and it was 
perfect. I'd buy an IceToolz, Unior or Pedro's before I'd buy another Park. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Garth]

  
  I forgive you Steve ... 




On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:
>
>
> On 9/25/19 12:28 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>   All I can say about front dérailleurs is that I've found that double 
> FD's work on triple cranks much better than triple FD's. 
>
>
> Not universally true*,* I've recently put a Tiagra FD4603F triple on my 
> Weigle, which has a 24/34/46 Herse crank (10 spd SRAM PG1070 12-32 
> cassette).  This particular derailleur seems to be made for gearing just 
> like mine and works amazingly well, better than any of the doubles I've 
> tried.  Previously I had a Tiagra double which worked until the LBS messed 
> with it, and then simply wouldn't work properly any more no matter how they 
> adjusted or bent it, and before that a Campagnolo double that wouldn't 
> shift to the small ring at all and only reluctantly shifted between large 
> and middle.  It's simply bloody amazing how well it works.
>
> Or, use the 10 spd Tiagra FD4603F and be amazed.
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Garth]

  All I can say about front dérailleurs is that I've found that double FD's 
work on triple cranks much better than triple FD's.   My Bombadil, which I 
ride the same as I would any road bike, for example, with a Andel 24/36/46 
crank, chainline about 46 or so a 9-speed Shimano Tiagra 4400 double FD 
shifts swiftly and precise, it's simply excellent in every way !  I 
previously had used a 80's Deore MT60, which was slow and not so precise. 
*Triple 
cranks with rings in the 24-50 teeth range don't need triple FD's, assuming 
friction shifting.* The 4400 FD I'm using could easily handle a wider 
chainline also, as would most any road FD, at least from 9-10 speed and 
below. 

So use a road FD , and you'll grin from ear to ear ! 

As for frames, a frame is a frame is a frame . period.  Adorn it with 
whatever you want, call it whatever you want .a road bike, mtb, gravel 
bike, yo' mamas bike, whatever bike  it's still the same frame as it 
ever is . Smile and ride with Joy with it all !!!

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Garth]

 This is always fun as however the new bikes look they all ride like a 
Rivendell .. like every Horse gallops !   Hee - Haw ! 

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[Garth]

So you're considering modifying a potential 700c frame .* just to use a 
set of already-owned 650b wheels *?


Frankly, there's just no good way to spin a bad idea ! 





On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Justin Wyne wrote:

*The inspiration for this swap is due to already having a 650b wheel set 
> and not yet having an Appaloosa.*
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

Waiting for promises of a better product, delivery and installation in the 
future doesn't help in the present though. Tension in the bolt is an easy 
check today, regardless of the shifter. 

Even terrific Sun Tour Thumbshifters need a slight tension adjustment now 
and then, as with any shifter that relies on tension to hold the gear. 
That's all I'm saying.  I find it may happen  for example after the bike 
sits for the winter, so Leah's bike not being unused for long period could 
do likewise. 
 

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ghost shifting with those clickety SunRace shifters is a fault of using an 
> IGH shifter on a derailer. It can be fiddled with enough cure it to the 
> satisfaction of some, but it's simply not a friction shifter. Leah will be 
> much happier with the Microshift, I promise. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

Neither is satisfaction in waiting for promises of a better product, 
delivery and installation in the future, when the tension is an easy check 
today, regardless of the shifter. 

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ghost shifting with those clickety SunRace shifters is a fault of using an 
> IGH shifter on a derailer. It can be fiddled with enough cure it to the 
> satisfaction of some, but it's simply not a friction shifter. Leah will be 
> much happier with the Microshift, I promise. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

Ghost shifting may also be as simple as a slight tightening of the tension 
bolt on top of the shifter in question. D-rings to adjust are sweet, 
hex/allen bolts are not ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

Oh boy . at this point amidst the comedy of trials and errors, who or 
what done what to/fro who or what . it's enough to speed up the Earth 
from rotating for just one moment while It rolls in Laughter !  So may as 
well break out song . it's just like riding a bike .  Liberty 
taking Flight . 

Oh if any fool ever put hands on a bike  that fool would be Me. Yes ... 
even the Me that is reading these very words and  murmuring "*what, a fool 
 surely not* *Me* ?"  
Ahahahahahaah ! 
This Me, that Me, he Me and she Me 
It's all the same Me to Me 
Everything Be Wondrously Alright 
Surely Forever Be 
All Be Allrighty ! 


 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

I noted in the photos of your bike the chain appears in the smallest rear 
cogs and small ring and the chain doesn't have much tension. It could 
possibly have a few too many links, and/or RD isn't up to the task. This is 
all greek to you of course. It reminds me of how 2 people can speak the 
same language about a subject and yet neither one knowing what one earth 
the other is talking about.  So much for words.. 



On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 8:27:55 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Garth, can you figure out a way to make me such a work stand? Haha. I’m 
> off to the internet to find the MicroShift friction shifters! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

Now if you can find a way for your entire life to revolve around you riding 
your bike in a silly workstand you'll be all set  Ahahaahahaa  

A reasonably good mechanic with any pride and curiosity at this point would 
go with you outside while you watch them ride it in the lot. I'm surprised 
they at least didn't ask you to test if before you left. 

Maybe going back you'll they'll have another mechanic who won't release the 
bike until it's done right and tested/approved by you. 






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Re: [RBW] Re: Hilsen Creaking!!!

[Garth]

( Laughing ))
The regimen ?   
Cookies 
That's right, cookies . For every whine, have a cookie, after awhile you'll 
either be so repulsed with cookies, or so fat, you'll take the damn things 
off !  
Hah !  
Or just take em' off and save the cookies altogether !

Really, it "sounds" like you are running too close of tolerances to begin 
with, IF it's really tire rub that is !
It might be what you'd least expect.. maybe it's just rubbing to rub 
You the wrong way. that's what the little monsters do you know. 
mock your sensibilities. the things you take so seriously about 
yourself. They're like the heckler in the crowd you never see, but hear 
plain as day above everyone else. You can fight 'em (hopeless) or you can 
just laugh  hecklers can't stand laughter, because it drowns out the 
noise ! 

Take this "advice" with a grain of salt !  
( Laughing  there's no crying in cycling ! ))




On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 6:45:26 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I need to get Garth to help me locate and *!!!annihilate* the 
> hateful, annoying creak/whine/buzz from the SKS P65 fenders on my Matthews. 
> It sounds like a stay or a stay bracket is momentarily and very lightly 
> rubbing against the tire, but I can't identify which stay or bracket and I 
> can't catch it or them or he/she/it in the act. Every time I hear it, I am 
> tempted to stop and do a diagnostic, but efforts so far have been fruitless.
>
> So Garth, what's the regimen? 
>
> Not that I will have to live with this much longer as, God willing, Colin 
> at Kelpie will deliver on my custom 76mm wide fenders before our 2019 
> monsoon season departs ...
>
> (Reminds me of car problems that suddenly appear and then, just as 
> suddenly and mysteriously, disappear. For a few months, every time I turned 
> a tight right-hand corner, the horn of my 1984 Passat/Quantum wagon would 
> sound. Ignored it; it went away.)
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 3:34 PM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>> I once had a creaking that that seemed crank/bb related, took off cranks 
>> and bb, reinstalled BB with teflon tape, IO even tried light grease on 
>> tapers, something I've never ever done. Chainring bolts tight. Pedals and 
>> all that jazz fine. Still ... it came in went. "Maybe it's the weather  
>> yea ... it's dammn weather that did it . I'll blame that ! ".  Hilarity 
>> ensued  it wasn't the weather ... sigh .  Endless thoughts of what to 
>> blame . to pin the goldarn crime on  there had to be a perp dammit 
>> !  Who or what donnit ?!!!  
>>
>> You got me !   I just said eff it  ride on.  Months go by  
>> seasons change  creakety creak . like a sneakin' creakin' bitin' 
>> dog that shows up out of nowhere.dine-and-dash  terrorize enough to 
>> let let you know "I'm around ... somewhere" then poof !  ... gone. 
>> for a while  until the little monster strikes again.  
>>
>> Well.. ( laughing ) 
>>
>> I felt like my old lady neighbor when I was a kid yelling at me to get 
>> off her lawn   "get off my bike".  And such is the delusional curse of 
>> ownership ... as-if anyone owns anything hah !  
>>
>> So anyways time rolls on and ho-hum  I need to change my 
>> freewheel(grease and teflon tape) and put on a new chain..  I just slap 
>> that KMC on there unaltered and wipe it down.  and I ride. It sounds 
>> lovely. liked greased lightning. I had been using Clean Ride wax lube 
>> for a few years until the quart was gone, times up. 
>>
>> So far with the stock greased chain  . no creaks. 
>>
>> I know ... it can't be the lube I was using .. or can it !!!  
>> Ahahahaahaha ! Theories abound  and all of them suppositions and 
>> assumptions.  I never heard any creaks on the first ride after an overnight 
>> application of CR. but seemed to come on after a few rides. hmm. 
>>
>> Yes, it was a creak  and I know what a darn creak is. 
>>
>> At least the chain sounds good for now !
>>
>> I'm not saying this is the perp for Nathan's bike . but it's another 
>> "theory" and you know what they say about theories ... ! 
>>
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

[Garth]

That sounds like a FD alignment issue Leah. Regardless of the shifters in 
question, I assume you mean the Sunrace "One at a time" ones, moving the 
chain from ring to ring should work easily as long as the FD is set up 
correctly and cable tension alright. If the FD is too high above the 
largest ring it will be sluggish to go up or down. I'd ask the next 
mechanic to ride it themselves, both before AND after any adjustments. 

Unless that is all working well, a new shifter won't do anything ! 

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Creaking!!!

[Garth]

I once had a creaking that that seemed crank/bb related, took off cranks 
and bb, reinstalled BB with teflon tape, IO even tried light grease on 
tapers, something I've never ever done. Chainring bolts tight. Pedals and 
all that jazz fine. Still ... it came in went. "Maybe it's the weather  
yea ... it's dammn weather that did it . I'll blame that ! ".  Hilarity 
ensued  it wasn't the weather ... sigh .  Endless thoughts of what to 
blame . to pin the goldarn crime on  there had to be a perp dammit 
!  Who or what donnit ?!!!  

You got me !   I just said eff it  ride on.  Months go by  seasons 
change  creakety creak . like a sneakin' creakin' bitin' dog that 
shows up out of nowhere.dine-and-dash  terrorize enough to let let 
you know "I'm around ... somewhere" then poof !  ... gone. for a 
while  until the little monster strikes again.  

Well.. ( laughing ) 

I felt like my old lady neighbor when I was a kid yelling at me to get off 
her lawn   "get off my bike".  And such is the delusional curse of 
ownership ... as-if anyone owns anything hah !  

So anyways time rolls on and ho-hum  I need to change my 
freewheel(grease and teflon tape) and put on a new chain..  I just slap 
that KMC on there unaltered and wipe it down.  and I ride. It sounds 
lovely. liked greased lightning. I had been using Clean Ride wax lube 
for a few years until the quart was gone, times up. 

So far with the stock greased chain  . no creaks. 

I know ... it can't be the lube I was using .. or can it !!!  
Ahahahaahaha ! Theories abound  and all of them suppositions and 
assumptions.  I never heard any creaks on the first ride after an overnight 
application of CR. but seemed to come on after a few rides. hmm. 

Yes, it was a creak  and I know what a darn creak is. 

At least the chain sounds good for now !

I'm not saying this is the perp for Nathan's bike . but it's another 
"theory" and you know what they say about theories ... ! 


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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

That's very cool Ash. As long as the lockring is tight and pressure applied 
to squeeze it all together , there's not anymore to it. I found this 
@bikeforums : 
https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/1105172-first-position-cassette-cog-question.html

Replies #6 and #7. This one from Crankypants :  " *I know a 12t lockring 
will work on a non-serrated 2nd position cog as I've been using just that 
on a bike for over 12k miles with a 13t cog. I would think the 11t lockring 
would also work but possibly the smaller diameter may be an issue but I 
doubt it. Just make sure you tighten the lockring properly and then check 
it after the first couple of rides to make sure it stays tight and if no 
problems you should be good to go."*


I too like riding in larger chainrings. say 44t  and above. There is a 
definite unique feel to big rings and large-r cogs compared to the same 
gear-inch with a small ring and small-er cogs. My thinking about gearing 
with the advent of up to 50t cassette cogs has sorta been turned upside 
down. I could see riding just a say 34/46 double with a wide range 
cassette, a 40, 42, 46 or even 50 cog.  You can get very low gear without a 
24/26t granny ring, which frankly I've never liked riding in, it's always 
felt odd. Riding up steep hills in say a 36t ring/32t cog gear always feels 
better than the equivalent granny gear.  



On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 4:07:47 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Garth, I have wondered about this as well.  I never use two outer cogs. 
> With the chainring combo I have, my chain line is always off.   When I'm 
> using the large chainring, the chain is toward the left of the center and 
> vice versa.  I can't go any smaller on the large chainring.  (Campy - 46t 
> is smallest I could find).  If I could have 14t as my smallest cog, my 
> chain line would be almost straight when I'm using either chainring.  
>
> One day I did try what you are contemplating.  I put two smallest cogs all 
> the way inside as spacers. Did couple of rides.  Then decided to revert it 
> back pending more research about any potential safety issues.  
>
> There's a very valid use case here!
>
>
>
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

Thanks for the Jeremy.  From what I've since read the first 2 cogs 
supposedly lock together into thecassette body with the lockring. Whether 
or not this is a necessity I'm not so sure of, as I suspect it may have 
more to do with shifting with indexed shifters and keeping things in a 
certain order. For friction shifting of course this doesn't apply. 

I've since discovered Shimano and Miche make first position cogs up to 16 
teeth for what's called junior/youth cassettes. They aren't sold separately 
though, but you can mix and match cassettes of course. 

I found that out while I ran across 6-speed single speed/trials 135mm QR 
cassette hubs from Hope and Hadley. While seeing pics of peoples custom 
6sp. cassettes with 15-17t low cogs sparked my curiosity and hence my 
question. Undoubtedly not everyone is using "official" first and second 
cogs !  There's "by the book" and then there's reality as which books don't 
apply ! 



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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

Matt, As I said,* I was already aware of the other options* Steve listed. 
This idea of simply rearranging the existing cog and using the existing 
parts of the cassette, I was curious about and that was all I was inquiring 
about. 

Rearranging the cassette as I asked about would allow for one more usable 
cog in the large ring of a triple crank. *That is what wasn't "heard", *that's 
all, that's what my comment was about. 

Creativity is Life Itself, following is not. 









On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 11:12:49 AM UTC-4, Matt C. wrote:
>
> Garth,
>
> It appears that you have eyes and yet cannot see the most practical 
> solution Steve is offering.
>
> With a skilled hand and a dremel, you cannot use the smallest cog of a 
> cassette as a spacer. 
>
> Matt Cook in CT 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

  You disqualify yourself from further contribution by virtue of the fact 
you have ears but cannot hear. 

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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

I've already considered all the "ors, ifs and buts" Steve, hence my 
specific question about using the 12t cog on the other end of the cassette 
as a spacer(instead of trying to fill the gap with various spacers) and 
placing the 14t in first position. No additional purchases. A 14-34/36 7 or 
8 speed cassette. I know my rings, my riding style, what kind of gears I 
ride and want to ride. 

Practical or desirable for anyone else is not in question. To tell someone 
they "should" like or want something , is like telling someone who's eating 
vanilla ice cream and likes it they ought to be eating chocolate, and then 
going on and on about all the "reasons" why. The vanilla and enjoyment of 
it was never in question, the idea of "should be eating chocolate" , that's 
what's questionable ! 


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[RBW] Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Garth]

   I'm venturing into cassettes and wondered if there were any 
complications in rearranging a 9-speed Shimano 12-36t cassette by placing 
the 12t cog in the innermost position and then only using the 14-36t cogs 
for riding. Essential it's using the 12t cog (I'm assuming it has a 
built-in spacer) as a spacer. Or for 8 speed spacing do the same with a 
Sunrace 12-34 and make it a 14-34 with 7 usable cogs, placing the 12t 
w/spacer at the inner position. I simply have no use for 11 or 12t cogs and 
would rather use that space for cogs that I *do* ride. My rings are 
24/36/46 and I really do prefer riding in the largest ring most of all. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano UN-55 driveside endcap

[Garth]

FWIW, the Problem Solvers up-cup for the UN-54 is too small of diameter for 
the UN-55. I have all of them and tried it out of curiosity.  If you shop 
around online you can find UN-55's for less than $20, if you go that route. 

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[RBW] Re: Swapping derailer cable on a Deore XT SL M-8000

[Garth]

   Yeah !   Most welcome.  I can see lots of those silly tiny caps 
disappearing after a few cable changes !

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[RBW] Re: Swapping derailer cable on a Deore XT SL M-8000

[Garth]

 
A search of "Deore XT SL-M8000 replace cable"  revealed the dealers manual 
.pdf.   



https://si.shimano.com/pdfs/dm/DM-SL0005-04-ENG.pdf

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[RBW] Re: Seeking summer weight long sleeve wool shirt ideas

[Garth]

A relatively lighter weight fabric is not necessarily inherently any cooler 
than a relatively heavier weight one is any warmer.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: thoughts on a new wheel

[Garth]

   Not necessarily, if the rims happen to be the offset Synergy's they were 
known for cracking like the photo. Velocity's warranty covered exactly what 
, I don't know. 



On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 3:20:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> thanks all for the responses so far.  and shame on me for posting hastily 
> upon arriving at work before actually having a look at the wheel.  because 
> the source of the issue is, well...pretty obvious.  is it possible that 
> this was caused by an under (or un-) skilled mechanic doing a terrible 
> truing job?!?  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: thoughts on a new wheel

[Garth]

 
Yes, check the hub first of all .  A wheel built by Rich should not 
"just start to wobble" due to the build itself, regardless of time and 
"normal-intended" use. If in doubt, I'd call or email Rich before taking it* 
any* shop. 

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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have any knobby tire suggestions for a 52 Clem H?

[Garth]

Frankly, the joy of riding is in not putting any thought into it at all, 
otherwise you'e just "going through the motions" like a computer, a 
machine. Lifeless.   Intuition, for lack of a better word, is way more 
intelligent, ingenious, capable, confident and fun than you could possibly 
imagine beforehand :) 



On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-4, Matthew Naftis wrote:
>
> I'm travelling to Colorado in a couple of weeks, and think I may need 
> something more than the stock Kendas that have, so far, been perfectly 
> suitable for paved and gravel bike paths of Dallas.
>
> But maybe I'm wrong?  Although I've ridden bikes my whole life, putting 
> much thought into what and how I'm riding is a fairly new thing for me.
>   
> Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: Converting a triple to a low/low

[Garth]

The FD doesn't need to be altered from the position it is *already working 
with all 3 rings.  *Taking off the big ring and just using the 2 small 
rings(no guard, single ring chainring bolts) doesn't change that, as 
obviously it's no different than simply never shifting into the big ring in 
the first place. 

I don't know what FD you have currently, but I know from experience older 
road FD's shift even a 26 to 44 just fine as I previously was running 
26/44/48 rings with a 1999 105 double FD. If you did by change need/want a 
shorter cage road FD the older SunTour Superbe Pro have shorter cages. 






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[RBW] Re: Converting a triple to a low/low

[Garth]

  You could also remove the large ring and don't use anything in that 
position.  Replace the double chainring bolts with single chainring variety 
for the 36t and so you have just the 24/36 alone.  

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[RBW] Re: Good Problem to have? FS/FT

[Garth]

As noted, you have 2 completely different frames that happen to have the 
same name/color, so the idea of selling one, as-if you have duplicates 
simply doesn't apply.
  
Obviously you can afford both or else you wouldn't have both. 

Selling either without even riding either , what would be the point of that 
?  
Why did you even buy either ?  
.. *you fill in the blank.* 
 
Seems to me the only proposal is "which bike am I riding today ?".

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bars for Gus Boots & Siblings?

[Garth]

Here's the XL demo that was sold, if the STA is 71.5 as many Rivs have been 
lately, the HTA appears a bit shallower, maybe 70/71 degrees. Note the 
front-center too, from the center-BB to center-front axle it's *by far *the 
longest of any production frame yet by Riv, including the 64/65 Clems.  All 
in all it *appears *to be a rather long reach for drop bars, and I'm sure 
someone will try it, like it or not. 
I recall reading in the Blahg about "being complicit" in given frame specs, 
as if that is a negative or something, which it is not. Yes, for many 
buyers just going by ETT alone can be very misleading, but there are buyers 
for whom can discern what they are looking for with more frame specs on the 
whole. Not everyone can simply "just stop by and ride the bike", so some 
use overall specs to compare with frames they do have to get some idea of 
what they buying or not. 

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/wsb-gbw-xl-1_1600x.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Carrying Water on bikes w/ minimal bottle cage mounts

[Garth]

This lists many ways, some included here some not !   Personally I'd choose 
any on frame method to using bags, for 1. *the volume factor *and 2.* 
stability (*depending on volume and it's distribution).   Any way you look 
at it there is always a way !  

I've never used a hydration pack so I cannot speak to them, and they seem 
popular for those in whom such are chosen. 

https://bikepacking.com/index/add-cage-mounts-bike/

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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

[Garth]

I kinda recall there being some implication of 27.5 tires when it was 
introduced . but I too may be incorrect . hey it's a crowded club 
Joe  ! 



On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 4:44:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ah, my bad, I coulda sworn this was strictly a 27.5 bike. I am often 
> wrong! 🥴

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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

[Garth]

Here is the wheel size/pbh chart from the Blahg #19 .  
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/susie_wolbis_specs_chart_2048x2048.png



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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

[Garth]

Mark, if your rims are Alex DM24's you're fine as they are 32mm outer/24mm 
inner.  The only other suitable rims I'm aware of are the Cliffhanger and 
Ryde Andra 40 and Big Bull. 
_

If I get a HillyBike I'd ride it as I ride my 60cm. Bombadil which is 
mostly on road which ranges from smooth to patch paved asphalt over once 
gravel roads.  I ride 700x50 Big Bens this year and the ride is terrific on 
the road and the occasional ATV paths I follow around.  I wouldn't hesitate 
to ride 60mm Big Apples or something like that with the HillyBike on road. 
I wish there was a 60mm Big Ben. There's not a whole lotta such tires above 
60mm at this time though. Just because a HillyBike can take 2.8" tires 
doesn't mean it's a requirement of course, I'm sure a 60mm tire rides 
great. 

I get the HillyBike is being marketed as offroad but that's just marketing 
as to market you gotta start somewhere. That doesn't mean it's limited to 
that, or by it. It's a BIKE for goodness sake, and one rides a bike 
wherever one rides it. 
Hmmm ... I've heard this marketing before . oh yes ... *When the 
Bombadi was introduced it was marketed as a Mountain Bike, over hill 'n 
dale we go !   *The talk was the same, about chest thumping "stout tubes" 
(hear the echo of Tarzan here) and how this assists carrying your 
truckloads of bananas from Costa Rica. I never thought of it anything but a 
Bicycle that I ride.  

I'd kind of like both a 59 Susie and a 60 Gus frankly, at least to try. 
Besides tubing, I don't know if the Susie is smaller scaled Gus in overall 
dimensions or simply a shorter seat tube. Compared to a Clementine oh 
ask a million people and you get a million different answers. I'd rather 
have a 64 Clementine in dimensions(long F-C and tall HT) but with a 60cm 
ST which his where the XL/60cm. HillyBike fits in as the front-center 
is very long and front end very high, at least from the XL demo photos that 
Riv had for sale.  Plus 3 sets of bottle mounts is to me a basic 
necessity,, Gus yay, Clementine nay.  A Clementine complete is great if the 
parts are what you really want, if not you end up spending much more later. 




On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 7:02:22 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of the parts from my Clementine. I am wavering between 
> getting another Clem L frame and fork and getting one of the Hillies. Other 
> than taking a bigger tire and the construction method and the tubing 
> arrangement on top, I wonder how much difference there will be. I would not 
> be using it exclusively off-road, so it would need to roll nicely on 
> blacktop--and with today's tire choices that should not be so difficult. 
>
> I guess my question is other than novel look and somewhat fatter tires, 
> any appreciable differences? And will my first Clem gen Alex rims (650B) be 
> wide enough for a Hillibike?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

[Garth]

 While the Boots has a swoop it wouldn't form a perfect circle like the arc 
of the Anniv. image. The curved TT of the Low Clem is more 
functional/utilitarian looking to me, not really elegant at all. Not that 
it's super important, it's just I couldn't help but notice the beautiful 
perfect arc just glancing at it. I find a certain elegance in it for sure, 
intended or not. 

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

[Garth]

   I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than 
separate tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I 
knew of a way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I 
could continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's 
a thin crescent of the moon !

<http://www.easttennesseewildflowers.com/gallery/var/albums/moon/Copy_of_Moon_waning_crescent1.jpg>


On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” I 
> want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a step 
> through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the interpretation 
> of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my untrained eye. Garth, 
> are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

[Garth]

Here is the photo from the blahg of the so-called anniversary frame . The 
elegant swoop is unique to any other Riv. design, as you'd expect a Anniv. 
Special frame to be.  Neither like or unlike a Low Clem or Mixte !   
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/articles/F25for_blahg_grande.png  
   (The google formatting for posting images here is awful !) 



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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for best cycling shades?

[Garth]

   Skydiving Googles fits the bill !   

 http://www.paragear.com/parachutes/1083/MILITARY-SKYDIVING-GOGGLES








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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for best cycling shades?

[Garth]

   This year I bought a set of Wiley X Saber Advanced sun-glasses and they 
offer a great wrap and shield. The nosepiece is and temples are adjustable 
so they can fit a wide range of faces. They may be marketed as 
shooting/safety/bulletproof glasses but they make great riding glasses. I 
bought the 3 lens kit model #308 that included a Light Rust, Grey and Clear 
interchangeable lenses plus hard case. I pretty much just wear the Light 
Rust which is about 50% VLT as it's nice even in full sun. You'd like the 
Grey option which are sold with that lens alone as model #302.  These are 
not flyweight flexy glasses so if that's what you prefer look elsewhere. 
The quality is top notch and I don't say that lightly. They stay where you 
put them, and even come with an optional strap if you want to use it 
instead of the arms. All the parts of these are replaceable, the most 
expensive being the lenses for $22. These beat the heck out of anything 
I've ever tried marketed for cycling and such. While scratch resistant, 
they warn you the lenses are not scratch proof as their primary purpose is 
protection from high velocity objects. They have no funny coating on the 
lenses either so they are very easy to clean. 

https://wileyx.com/saber-advanced-sunglasses-302


On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 4:52:24 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Asking on the RBW list after having asked on the Boblist, in case this 
> list has cycling glasses periti who don't read the Boblist.
>
> I've been using 2 pr Tifosi shades. One is photochromatic, and that one 
> seems to block the wind sufficiently to keep my eyes from turning red after 
> 10 miles; it also stays put securely on my Asian-ish* nose. But this pair 
> doesn't get dark enough for our mile-high sun in mid summer at noon -- when 
> the light makes the Santa Monica boardwalk at summer noon feel like the 
> winter solstice, and I'm not kidding. I use this pair on cloudy days and at 
> night.
>
> The other pair is also Tifosi, and dark enough, and this is my go-to pair, 
> but it doesn't block the wind sufficiently, and it doesn't stay on my nose. 
> This pair may be older, as it was at least second hand, original source 
> unknown. My eyes turn red, especially on windy days which kick up dust and 
> pollen; out here, we don't have twee little green grass verges, the sides 
> of the roads are gravel and sand.
>
> I realize that, after saddles and bars, shades are probably the most 
> personal choice in riding kit, but can anyone, particularly anyone of east 
> Asian ancestry, suggest some options?
>
> I'd happily ride bare-eyed, but again, dust and pollen and wind make that 
> impractical.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> *Filipino with a bit of Chinese and even a dash (so I was told) of Arab, 
> plus Scots Irish English.
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
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[RBW] Re: RD compatible with index shifters?

[Garth]

   What's the exact XT RD model ? Did they actually try it ?   

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-4, Dave Redmon wrote:
>
> My goal is rear index shifting because I'm mostly deaf to improper 
> shifting in friction mode. My LBS tells me my Shimano 7700 9 speed index 
> bar end shifters are not compatible with my Shimano 9 speed XT rear 
> derailer in index mode. Has anyone else had this problem and found a 
> solution? 
>
> Dave in Kansas
>

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[RBW] Re: Cotton tape on top of Meisha's cork grips--good idea or not?

[Garth]

I used to wear Defeet Armskins in the summer and while they are not 
officially UV rated (as they are intended for cool/old weather) they worked 
great. They are rather thick tubular knit that cools your arms as you 
perspire underneath them.  I had tried some UV arm sleeves from Amazon but 
none of them were form fitting as they were not a tubular knit, which 
literally wraps around your arms so no gripper stuff that wears off is 
necessary. They were basically non form fitting fabric sewn together with a 
silly seam and reminded me more of a shirt sleeve they cut off and stuck 
some gripper stuff  on the end and called declared "Look, a UV arm sleeve 
!".  Ahahahaha !  

  I did a search on amazon for compression uv arm sleeves and these are one 
example that fit the bill for being tubular and seamless.
https://www.amazon.com/Protection-Cooling-Arm-Sleeves-Activities/dp/B07KYMF4KF 
.  

Hope you like the gloves Roberta .  

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[RBW] Re: Cotton tape on top of Meisha's cork grips--good idea or not?

[Garth]

   I used to wear Defeet Armskins in the summer and while they are not 
officially UV rated (as they are intended for cool/old weather) they worked 
great. They are rather thick tubular knit that cools your arms as you 
perspire underneath them.  I had tried some UV arm sleeves from Amazon but 
none of them were form fitting as they were not a tubular knit, which 
literally wraps around your arms so no gripper stuff that wears off is 
necessary. They were basically non form fitting fabric sewn together with a 
silly seam and reminded me more of a shirt sleeve they cut off and stuck 
some gripper stuff  on the end and called declared "Look, a UV arm sleeve 
!".  Ahahahaha !  

  I did a search on amazon for compression uv arm sleeves and these are one 
example that fit the bill for being tubular and seamless. If I needed a 
pair I'd try those, but I wear long sleeved surfers rashguards and I 
already have some Defeet tubular arm warmers that just so happen to also 
work fine in summer. 
https://www.amazon.com/Protection-Cooling-Arm-Sleeves-Activities/dp/B07KYMF4KF 
.  

Hope you like the gloves Roberta .  

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[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

[Garth]

I didn't think grind method really mattered as I always used a Krupps.  Out 
of the blue a relative sent me his Lido 2 that he wasn't using anymore as 
bought another grinder that for him was easier .

I make coffee with a 12 cup (hah hah that's 2oz. per cup) aluminum Bialetti 
Moka pot and I use about 1/4c beans that makes for one nice big mug 'o joe. 
My preferred coffee to grind is Seattle's Best #5, dark, smoky and 
luscious. Upon tasting the Lido ground brew my first thought was something 
akin to "well ain't that a kick in the pants, I never tasted* this* from 
the Krupps grind, yummm ! "  Bye bye Krupps. I find the Lido a breeze to 
grind, the key for me was to be creative on how you hold it to your body. 
It's all intuitive. 

For myself it's all about the flavor, and since the hand grind tastes 
notably better, so it is. I've tried lots of brands of whole bean coffee 
and nothing tastes more pleasing to me that SB #5 and I can get it at my 
local Kroger so the bags are always "fresh". 

My brother doesn't care about the grind or any flavor as long as it's *coffee 
and cheap *so he can make a whole drip pot and drink it all day long. 
Everything works for Everybody, and ain't that a kicker !  ;-)





On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 11:05:20 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:

> Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my 
> little electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final 
> taste. But has BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it 
> matter that much? Or is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, 
> too. 

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[RBW] Re: Cotton tape on top of Meisha's cork grips--good idea or not?

[Garth]

  I doubt the painters tape beneath bar tape on top of cork would provide a 
silp free experience Roberta. For summer riding with sweaty hands I wear 
these "fishing gloves" from Glacier Bay.  They just so happen to make 
terrific cycling gloves ! By far most preferred over any "cycling glove" 
which offer slim pickin's for unpadded, leather that dries soft, and big 
enough for XL hands.  The unpadded palm is fully synthetic leather that is 
thin and grippy, dry or wet and dries soft and quickly. They always feel 
temperature neutral even in high heat/humidity and block UV. I've worn a 
pair since past summer and this summer so far and they look good as new. I 
bought the blue camo ones because they are kinda funky looking but they 
also have some plain gray ones. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UE8D7M/ref=twister_B079P4Q7RV


On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 3:06:39 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> I didn't want to hijack the Newbaum's new padded tape topic, so I started 
> this one.
>
> I have older Meisha cork grips, scallaced --the ones with the bulge about 
> 2/3 from the bar end.  One issue I have with it is that in the summer when 
> my hands sweat, and it's hard to keep a grip.
>
> Do you think that putting either the new padded tape or the standard tape 
> wound work with slippage (and perhaps padding)?  I don't want to ruin the 
> cork grips with the sticky stuff on the back of the tape, so I was thinking 
> about first wrapping the grips with blue painters tape.  I'd probably 
> remove the tape after summer, because I like the look of the cork.
>
> What do you think?   Or should I just buy summer riding gloves?
>
> Thanks, Roberta 
>
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[RBW] Re: Pool noodle as a safety device

[Garth]

Still ever Still . "The Ride" Rides The Ride  One-Self.   The Ride 
is by nature The Good  The True  The Unalloyed  Wholeyness . 
Unchallenged and un-challenge-able.for The Ride is Everything and 
Everything is The Ride :-)

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Garth]

It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 



On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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[RBW] Re: Closest geared Riv to QuickOne?

[Garth]

I believe Eric is inquiring as to another Riv frame that has a similar *ride 
quality *to the QB, independent of any gearing method.  Just the frame 
itself. 



On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 12:21:16 AM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> The SimpleOne up for sale (someone snatch it up!) brought up a question: 
> What's the closest geared Riv to the Quickbeam / SimpleOne? The 
> Rambouillet? Hilsen? Can anyone with experience comment on the ride quality 
> between the single (or double) speeds and the closest geared cousin?
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

[Garth]

Islabikes is still a successful UK company of origin and HQ . They sell 
there and in the EU. 


Woom bikes seems to make quality kids bikes for anyone looking. 

https://us.woombikes.com/pages/bikes-and-accessories

Here's a review of a 20" version for example : 
https://rascalrides.com/woom-4-review/



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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Garth]

If anyone missed the sales page and photos for the small and XL Gus Boots 
demos, the webcache of the pages is still good. If the link doesn't work 
just google search  :  *rivbike gus boots .* The small and XL links show 
up, click on the little upside down triangle and choose the cached page. 
There's a couple of ways you can see the full photos rather than the zoomed 
in box, with Firefox one is to save the "web page complete" and open the 
saved folder and the photos. The other is right click and choose "view page 
info", under "media" all the 1600x photos are listed, copy and paste the 
links. 

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:k9CzF9tDdxYJ:https://www.rivbike.com/products/xl-gus-boots-willsen-sample-bike


https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3mR4UZ4dw1UJ:https://www.rivbike.com/products/small-gus-boots-willsen-sample-bike


About the 2 extra names, this is explained in the .png of the 
sometime-to-be pdf flyer from the Blag #10. 
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/12-13_2048x2048.png.  
Gotta zoom the image some . Essentially the anagram names are for a lighter 
tube weight frame+fork+dropouts of the same GBW geometries+clearances for 
riders under 165 lbs. riding with dayloads, plus a 1" threaded fork 
instead. 

Geometries ? What geometries would those be ?  Ahahahahahahah ! 

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