[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Ugh, apologies for posting what was intended to be a PM here. No matter what 
browser I use, it is always difficult to find the "reply to author" button. 

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Hi Joe,

I was curious to know, are you using a 10-speed drivetrain on your Jones 
Plus? If so, are you also using a clutch derailleur? I'm wondering if some 
of the problems I've had are a result of stubbornly hanging onto a 9-speed 
drivetrain, as I know the Surly OD chainrings are designed for 10-speed but 
will work with 9-speed. I'm still determined to switch to 1X, but it would 
be interesting to know if chain width could be a factor in the issues I've 
had. 

Best,

Mike 

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>
> Mike, I have been using a Surly OD (offset double) crank on my Jones Plus 
> with a Deore front derailer. It has been completely flawless. Same set up 
> same bike for a friend, same flawless result. Maybe we can save your 
> current setup? 
>
> PM me if you would like.
> Joe in GJT
>

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Yep, I've also got the OD crank. I'm glad to hear you've gotten it to work, but 
my LBS has not been able to tame it. Aside from that, I really do hate having 
to use an FD on the trail and I get the sense that the simplified shifting will 
push me to improve my climbing ability instead of giving up and walking after a 
missed shift. I'm also having problems with chain rub on the tire when in the 
small chainring, largest sprocket combo. I don't doubt that it can be done, but 
I'm not trying to win this fight anymore.

 I bet the boost (148mm rear) spacing on the new Jones Plus will solve all 
these dilemmas, such is the cost of being an early adopter. 

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Forgot to mention, this is the cassette <http://www.gravelbike.com/?p=5358> 
I'll be using, the new Sunrace 11-42 10-speed cassette. They sold out 
seemingly everywhere in 2 weeks according to my LBS, out of stock until 
late May. 

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>
> I just decided to convert my Jones Plus to 1X10 after a year of 
> frustration trying to make a double chainring setup work (constant 
> chainsuck/chaindrop). On my 3" tire setup I will have a gear range of 22.8 
> - 87 gear inches, whereas my earlier setup (39/26 chainrings and 11-34 
> cassette) gave a range of 22.9 - 106 gear inches. The 106 gear was crazy 
> tall for my Plus setup (also have a road wheelset), so I mostly topped out 
> in the 39-13 anyhow (89 gear inches). With this setup, I'm only losing 3% 
> off my typical high gear and my low end is identical. 
>
>  
>
> Having been a former Quickbeam rider, I still have a yearning for more 
> simplicity and not doing math while I'm riding trying to figure out gear 
> overlap or avoiding wicked cross-chaining is really appealing. I am also 
> really, really terrible at shifting the front chainring on singletrack and 
> generally just settle for being undergeared in my small ring, now I'll have 
> a continuous, non-overlapping gear range. I am really looking forward to 
> dispensing with the kludge and unreliability of a front derailleur, and I'm 
> not losing much for it. So I’ll take the dorky pie plate granny gear any 
> day! While I love going fast and had to rigorously work the Sheldon Gear 
> calculator to make sure I wasn't losing too much "go fast" on the top end, 
> I'd much prefer the elegance of a simpler and more reliable system and spin 
> faster on the flats and rest on downhills (love the Jan Heine tuck and 
> coast approach!). 
>
>  
>
> Included is a plot comparing the two systems. The 1X10 is in the middle, 
> between my current 39/26 setup. 
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zFsa5ecdkE8/VvYCaUxvibI/A9Y/m2T7jdVP_rsH0XO4marJJ_R0_60iLTqNA/s1600/Plus_gearing_plot.tiff>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:36:53 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I just saw that too.   I know this wasn't the point of your posting, but 
>> I've never figured out why so many people on this board think these large 
>> cogs are so ridiculous.   I completely understand the goal of eliminating a 
>> front derailleur and, in my opinion,  this is just now finally... and just 
>> barely... getting to the point where a 1x drivetrain could be feasible and 
>> realistic.  Admittedly, it  really only works for mountainous trail riding, 
>> even then.  I'm assuming you'd use a single front ring around 30 or 32 
>> teeth, to still have a decent granny gear, so you wouldn't have the tall 
>> gears needed for road riding, and the steps between the middle cogs would 
>> probably be too big too.  
>>
>> You just have to think outside of the road bike and flattish, paved 
>> areas, to the places where I live and ride.
>>
>> The things that I think funny are 2x drivetrains.If you're going to 
>> need a derailleur and shifter anyway,  you might as well add that third 
>> ring and give yourself all the range you can use.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not April Fool's day, so it must be real:
>>>
>>> http://www.pinkbike.com/news/oneup-shark-50t-sprocket-kit-review.html
>>>
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

I just decided to convert my Jones Plus to 1X10 after a year of frustration 
trying to make a double chainring setup work (constant 
chainsuck/chaindrop). On my 3" tire setup I will have a gear range of 22.8 
- 87 gear inches, whereas my earlier setup (39/26 chainrings and 11-34 
cassette) gave a range of 22.9 - 106 gear inches. The 106 gear was crazy 
tall for my Plus setup (also have a road wheelset), so I mostly topped out 
in the 39-13 anyhow (89 gear inches). With this setup, I'm only losing 3% 
off my typical high gear and my low end is identical. 

 

Having been a former Quickbeam rider, I still have a yearning for more 
simplicity and not doing math while I'm riding trying to figure out gear 
overlap or avoiding wicked cross-chaining is really appealing. I am also 
really, really terrible at shifting the front chainring on singletrack and 
generally just settle for being undergeared in my small ring, now I'll have 
a continuous, non-overlapping gear range. I am really looking forward to 
dispensing with the kludge and unreliability of a front derailleur, and I'm 
not losing much for it. So I’ll take the dorky pie plate granny gear any 
day! While I love going fast and had to rigorously work the Sheldon Gear 
calculator to make sure I wasn't losing too much "go fast" on the top end, 
I'd much prefer the elegance of a simpler and more reliable system and spin 
faster on the flats and rest on downhills (love the Jan Heine tuck and 
coast approach!). 

 

Included is a plot comparing the two systems. The 1X10 is in the middle, 
between my current 39/26 setup. 






On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:36:53 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I just saw that too.   I know this wasn't the point of your posting, but 
> I've never figured out why so many people on this board think these large 
> cogs are so ridiculous.   I completely understand the goal of eliminating a 
> front derailleur and, in my opinion,  this is just now finally... and just 
> barely... getting to the point where a 1x drivetrain could be feasible and 
> realistic.  Admittedly, it  really only works for mountainous trail riding, 
> even then.  I'm assuming you'd use a single front ring around 30 or 32 
> teeth, to still have a decent granny gear, so you wouldn't have the tall 
> gears needed for road riding, and the steps between the middle cogs would 
> probably be too big too.  
>
> You just have to think outside of the road bike and flattish, paved areas, 
> to the places where I live and ride.
>
> The things that I think funny are 2x drivetrains.If you're going to 
> need a derailleur and shifter anyway,  you might as well add that third 
> ring and give yourself all the range you can use.
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> It's not April Fool's day, so it must be real:
>>
>> http://www.pinkbike.com/news/oneup-shark-50t-sprocket-kit-review.html
>>
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Mike Shaljian]

You wouldn't believe how (actually) useful a Hope hub is for waking people out 
of a smartphone zombie state. Super useful for riding through congested areas 
on college campuses or for alerting hikers on trails. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[Mike Shaljian]

Rene,

In my experience the most obvious sign is the noise the tire makes in contact 
with the ground and it just sounds off. Also the immediate and troubling sign 
is a lack of confidence when cornering, a feeling as if the bike could easily 
lose traction and spill over when cornering tight because of a bad contact 
patch with the road. There's also just a feeling of a loss of control when 
cornering, like the bike won't track and respond the way you want it to. I 
agree with Jan Heine's advice of filling them just until they won't "collapse" 
or have any of these symptoms. I feel like the minimum pressure is a threshold 
that once you barely cross it, nothing matters. But being under it, you quickly 
notice the disadvantages. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[Mike Shaljian]

A quick Google search found this blog study that showed a 22% reduction in 
rolling resistance (by wattage) at 25 PSI: 
http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/tubeless-latex-butyl-tubes

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[RBW] Re: Jeff Jones in depth on longer wheelbase

[Mike Shaljian]

I've had my Jones Plus for a year now and can +1 that it's everything Jeff 
Jones says and more here. Unbelievably good design with both the Jones geometry 
and long wheel base, it's a bike that has to be ridden for the hype to be 
believed. As either a mountain bike for technical trails, bikepacking rig, fast 
road bike or commuter it excels and is a joy to ride. The versatility is 
incredible and having two wheelsets (29+ and 29er road) makes the Plus serve as 
two awesome bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[Mike Shaljian]

Patrick,

I recall seeing the 20% figure mentioned by Schwalbe, but I can't find the 
original source for that anywhere on their webpage now. My anecdotal experience 
of going from a tubed Schwalbe Super Moto to a tubeless Super Moto setup 
suggests that this factor is reasonable. Also, nothing like a tubeless setup at 
12-14 PSI on 29+ tires! Suspension be damned! 

Mike 

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[RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[Mike Shaljian]

You should consider just based on the fact that going tubeless reduces rolling 
resistance by 20%. It makes a huge difference. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[Mike Shaljian]

That sounds like very low pressure for a tire of that volume. I run 60mm 
Schwalbe Big Ones (64 mm actual) on 45mm rims and they run tubeless at 23 in 
the front and 26 in the back. I find that any lower than 20 PSI and the tire 
collapses in corners and handles weird. However, at this pressure (23 PSI 
happens to be Schwalbe's recc'd minimum pressure) they feel good and supple 
without any collapsing in corners and generally handling very nicely. I do 
think the Snakeskin sidewall helps with overall rolling 
resistance-support-function somehow, too. The key thing is a fatter tire is 
more supple, so a 60mm tire mounted on a wide rim is going to have more 
deflection of obstacles anyway. 

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[RBW] touch up paint

[Mike Shaljian]

You can buy the color (Sam Hillborne Orange) from Waterford directly and it's 
about $30 shipped. 

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[RBW] Reviews and/or photos of Big Ben 700c X 55 tires?

[Mike Shaljian]

I've put on probably 400 miles on my Big Ones (all urban commuting) and they 
seem stout enough to me, at least when run as tubeless. I had ridden Super 
Motos before and while a quality, serviceable tire, the Big One is much more 
supple and easy rolling, even with the Snakeskin sidewall. It does seem like 
the tread compound is a bit less grippy and also they seem to be more finicky 
with pressure. They handle a bit oddly if underinflated. All in all, they seem 
like a great choice to me for a reasonably durable tire that is actually really 
fun to ride. They key to it all is running it tubeless, I'm pretty sure.I wish 
that Compass would make the Rat Trap Pass in 700C because I'm sure it'd be even 
better, but it seems like the best of the lot right now, if you can fit it. 

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[RBW] Re: Any new hubs/technologies out there?

[Mike Shaljian]

That does seem like the ideal way to go. Could you post a picture of your 
custom mount?

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[RBW] Re: Any new hubs/technologies out there?

[Mike Shaljian]

I've had a new Velogical unit sitting in the box for months, mostly because the 
mounting bracket they include is absolutely horrendous. It seems like a great 
idea, but they could make the mounting much more user-friendly. Granted, it is 
especially difficult since I'm working with a Jones Truss fork, though Bicycle 
Quarterly raised this issue in their review. 

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[RBW] Re: favorite mixed terrain tires, winter edition

[Mike Shaljian]

Schwalbe Big One if we're talking pavement and gravel. It is like a big, plush 
and seemingly tough enough Compass tire. Just like Jan Heine advises with the 
Rat Trap pass, they are very sensitive to pressure and can collapse in corners 
and handle weird if the pressure is too low. When it's dialed in just right (25 
rear/23 front for me), they are amazing. Something for you Clementiners to 
consider!

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[Mike Shaljian]

Just installed the 29er snakeskin version today, running them tubeless. Getting 
them to seat tubeless was a little bit of an adventure, and my LBS had to open 
up the airflow on the compressor all the way and massage them a bit to get them 
seated. I only took a short ride around town, but they are remarkably zippier 
than the Super Motos I had been running. The tread area is significantly 
thinner than a Super Moto and I do wonder how much abuse they can take and what 
the lifespan will be, but I'll take a shorter lifespan for a funner ride! 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[Mike Shaljian]

I recently bought a set of 29er SnakeSkins from Bike24 and they finally cleared 
customs after two weeks in holding. Worked out to $98 with shipping for the 
pair, so about 40% off U.S prices. I will measure with calipers (though they'll 
be mounted on a 45mm rim) and report on ride quality when I get them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebars for problem backs?

[Mike Shaljian]

I've never had serious back pain or back issues, but I have gone from more 
traditional setups (drop bars level with the seat prior to Rivendell 
enlightenment) to a "weird" and supremely comfortable setup (relaxed Jones 
geometry with H-bar). I had always had issues with numbness/discomfort in the 
hands and a stiff lower back on long rides until switching to a Jones H-bar 
last year. My setup before that was a Sam Hillborne with an albastache bar-- 
still very comfortable for the most part, but an 8/10 on the comfort scale 
whereas the Jones is a 9.5-10/10. I think the main reasons for my preference 
for the latter are 1) a much greater ability to change hand/body positions, 
thus avoiding repetitive stress and being able to stretch more and 2) what 
seems like better maintenance of the "J-spine" posture us humans are supposed 
to have. 

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1luKAS_Xcg) explains what a 
"J-spine" is and the benefits of sitting "upright and relaxed". It seems to me 
that any bike with a relaxed geometry (e.g. Rivendells) and an H-bar (or one of 
the bars modeled after it) allow for this ideal pelvis/spine positioning. 
Disclaimer: I am most certainly not a medical authority nor have I ever had 
serious back issues. I've just never been more comfortable than on a rig with 
an upright position and ability to change positions often. 

- Mike

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[Mike Shaljian]

Also, what tire were you switching from that made it feel similar to changing 
from "Paselas to Compass"? If it was a Super Moto I'll be very excited, as 
that's what I'm going to be changing from and they do feel a bit doggy. 

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Mike Shaljian]

You can get the Ice Spiker Pro's for about 1/2 the U.S MSRP from these HiBike, 
a reputable German retailer I've bought from numerous times. Here's the link: 
http://tinyurl.com/gmk9tod

The great thing about the ISP's is they work really well tubeless. I think this 
is a big reason why they feel so lively to me. Even though they've got the 
Liteskin sidewall I had them seal up immediately with minimal sealant seepage. 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[Mike Shaljian]

Very nice! I'm waiting on a set of these to arrive from Germany. Did you go 
for the SnakeSkin or LiteSkin sidewall? I chose SnakeSkin for best tubeless 
compatibility (with not much more weight) but I was tempted by the more 
supple LiteSkin option. 

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:46:23 AM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I installed these tires last week but never got to go on a ride as we had 
> some cold temps and snow since then. I still need to install some 
> superlight tubes w/ sealant. They measured around 56mm when first 
> installed. I'll give them a couple weeks before re-measuring.
> I got a chance to commute with these installed on my Clem this morning.
> In short, they're wonderful. Very similar feeling from going from Paselas 
> to Compass tires on another bike. 
> Obviously, they're big tires but very low weight. With Clem's super long 
> chainstays and my winter coat on, I couldn't see what gear I was in. I was 
> surprised to find out that I was pushing 86 gear inches for the entire 
> commute without needing to shift.
> We'll see how long they last in the long term - that'll probably have to 
> wait until spring as I'll be swapping in some Smart Sams shortly. A second 
> wheelset is starting to sound appealing as well.
> The good news is that my Clem will still fit fenders - the fork really is 
> the limiting factor, the rear I think would fit a 29x3.0 tire. I think I'll 
> have to re-think my no-fenders situation as it was a messy commute with 
> lots of dirty slush.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
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[RBW] Re: OT: questions about multiple computer screens

[Mike Shaljian]

I can throw in a +1 for the Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24" monitor that The 
Wirecutter recommends. I've got two of them (one at work and one at home) and I 
love the IPS panel, very easy on the eyes when looking at lots of documents and 
spreadsheets (as I do). I'm not sure if you're limiting the screen size to 17" 
for budget or space purposes, but I would think two of these would be 
side-by-side would be a killer setup. 

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Mike Shaljian]

I think a big reason why I like the Ice Spikers so much is because they work so 
well run tubeless. The bead is tubeless-ready and even though they have 
Liteskin construction they sealed up really well for me and I had minimal 
sealant seepage. You can also get them for about 1/2 the MSRP from hibike.com, 
a German retailer I've bought tires from a bunch of times reliably. 

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Mike Shaljian]

My (48" wheelbase) Jones Plus is feeling super stable in the persistent icy 
slush of Eastern WA. You Clem/Clementine people should jump on some Ice Spiker 
Pros! I was amazed at how supple and lively this tire is for a knobby studded, 
they feel livelier than the 622-40 Marathon Winters I ran on my Sam Hillborne 
last year. I don't really get them being pigeon-holed for snowy singletrack by 
some sellers, they inspire supreme commuting confidence in terms of grip, 
ability to fight through 1-2" of snow and with decent rolling resistance to 
boot. The relaxed Jones geometry, long wheelbase and spikers make for an 
all-weather limo.

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[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

[Mike Shaljian]

303 Aerospace Protectant was recommended by the maker of the Handlebra tape and 
I use it on my waterproof leather, quality product. I have wondered if it would 
be worth it to apply this "sunscreen for your stuff" to tire sidewalls, but 
haven't ever bothered with it. I wonder if it would be effective for increasing 
sidewall life but I'm not sure how frequently you'd have to apply it to make a 
difference.
http://www.goldeagle.com/product/303-aerospace-protectant

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[RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

[Mike Shaljian]

Can confirm, the 3" tires are amazing for off-road riding! I have the 
Bontrager 'Chupacabra' and they're fantastic for everything, from 
washboarded gravel to decently technical mountain biking (the bike is 
great, I'm OK ;)  Riding the 3" tires on severely washboarded gravel in the 
summer feels like cheating. The versatility and surprisingly low rolling 
resistance of the plus tires is really something else. 

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 5:11:18 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>
> I am with Mike (and his Jones Plus). Off road tire size for me this year 
> has been 3 inch. For on-road or light dirt I went with performance tires, 
> the 2.3" Super Motos.  
> https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3
>
> Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and yes I will 
> ride to work Sunday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>>
>> Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
>> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>>
>> I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are 
>> pretty great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of 
>> these with the Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per 
>> tire of weight savings and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier 
>> with SnakeSkin tires from Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest rolling 
>> resistance tire they've ever made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run 
>> tubeless would be the ultimate for a fast and supple fatty for the rough 
>> roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the Big One when I've given it a 
>> spin. 
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

[Mike Shaljian]

Have you considered the Furious Fred? It's made in 26" and 29er and is 
supposed to be extremely fast rolling. I've heard that Schwalbe's warnings 
of fragility from being a racing tire are overstated and they're actually 
OK on durability. 
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/furious-fred.html

I guess you may not want nobs though. . . I wondered for a while if the 
ideal fatty slick would ever come out and I'm hoping the Big One is it, 
just ordered some from Germany. The tubeless Super Motos are already like 
riding a magic carpet. It's awesome having a bike that's got clearances for 
a 60-77mm tire and fenders!

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 6:36:15 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for confirming that! Just not gonna' fit...
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:31 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I haven't tried Big Apples. I love the Super Motos. 
>> They measure 63mm wide on a Velocity P35 rim, 58mm on a Velocity Synergy 
>> rim.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 3" seems to be the new best thing! 
>>>
>>> Hey Joe, how you like the Super Motos compared to Big Apples? Looking at 
>>> a tandem that can *probably* only fit 2.0", so wouldn't be able to go 
>>> w/ the SMs as I would prefer. Do they measure a full 60mm width?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:11 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am with Mike (and his Jones Plus). Off road tire size for me this 
>>>> year has been 3 inch. For on-road or light dirt I went with performance 
>>>> tires, the 2.3" Super Motos.  
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3
>>>>
>>>> Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and yes I 
>>>> will ride to work Sunday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
>>>>> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are 
>>>>> pretty great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of 
>>>>> these with the Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per 
>>>>> tire of weight savings and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier 
>>>>> with SnakeSkin tires from Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest 
>>>>> rolling 
>>>>> resistance tire they've ever made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run 
>>>>> tubeless would be the ultimate for a fast and supple fatty for the rough 
>>>>> roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the Big One when I've given it 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> spin. 
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mike
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

[Mike Shaljian]

Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html

I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are pretty 
great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of these with the 
Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per tire of weight savings 
and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier with SnakeSkin tires from 
Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest rolling resistance tire they've ever 
made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run tubeless would be the ultimate for 
a fast and supple fatty for the rough roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts 
on the Big One when I've given it a spin. 

- Mike

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[RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

[Mike Shaljian]

If you're really interested in buying a fatbike, Surly is having a 50% off sale 
on their Omniterra line (assuming your size is in stock). You could get a 
Pugsley for $1000 or an Ice Cream Truck for $1200! See announcement here: 
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/get_em_while_theyre_fat

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[RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Mike Shaljian]

Shoving in with a FS offer: I have a brand new Pletscher Twin-Legger (silver) 
kickstand that I bought from Rivendell months ago for my mountain bike. It 
turns out it's better to buy a top tube protector and lean those against 
things. $35 shipped anywhere in the conterminous US. Message me off the list if 
you're interested. -- Mike 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

[Mike Shaljian]

Frame is sold. 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

[Mike Shaljian]

No takers yet, so I'm lowering the price to $700, plus shipping. 

Pictures have been updated to show the paint blemishes, of which there are many 
(the bike was ridden a lot!). The most prominent chips occur where the 
derailleur was clamped on, on the left seat stay near the brake boss, and one 
on the fork. I will try to add a few pictures in the morning with better light. 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

[Mike Shaljian]

I listed my complete Sam Hillborne recently and it didn't sell as a whole bike, 
and I've still got the frame/fork/headset for sale. It's a 2012 64cm 
Waterford-made Sam Hillborne frame and it is in 8.5/10 cosmetic condition. Some 
surface paint scratches but no rust or other damage. It has a Cane Creek 110 
headset that was installed last year. Pictures can be seen here 
(http://imgur.com/a/hedAr) (I will add pictures of the stripped down frame 
tomorrow). Asking for $775 plus shipping. 

I will ship the frame via Fedex using shipbikes.com. Please feel free to ask 
any questions you may have. Thanks for looking! 

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[RBW] Re: Rib-Inspired hiking gear?

[Mike Shaljian]

The Mariposa is also my fabulous, go-to everyday bag. Have had mine for 3 years 
and absolutely love it, a lifetime model of backpack for sure. Also, the Giant 
Jensen is a terrific backpacking bag. It was my first backpacking bag and it's 
so much more comfortable than the traditional bags I've used. It also is big 
enough to somehow relatively easily swallow an REI 3-person backpacking tent. 
The craftsmanship that Eric at RMW puts into this products is remarkable. 

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[RBW] Still selling 64cm Sam Hillborne frameset + parts + additional misc. items

[Mike Shaljian]

Or make me any reasonable offer. Thanks again! 

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[RBW] Still selling 64cm Sam Hillborne frameset + parts + additional misc. items

[Mike Shaljian]

The sale of the frame has started, stopped, started again and I think finally 
stopped a few times with a local buyer. I'm now looking to get $950 for just 
the frameset or $1175 for the frameset + crankset/B.B (incl. crank tools). If 
it doesn't sell in a few days, it will (unfortunately) be listed on eBay. 

- Mike 

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[RBW] Still selling 64cm Sam Hillborne frameset + parts + additional misc. items

[Mike Shaljian]

Hi all,

I thought I had a local buyer for my Sam Hillborne and most of the parts aside 
from the wheelset (since bought by a group member), but they backed out this 
morning. Therefore, I am going forward with parting out my Sam Hillborne. You 
can still see the bike and most of the parts I'm selling here 
(http://imgur.com/a/hedAr) and I will add more of the other items later. The 
attached Google Doc (http://bit.ly/1gupMsP) will be live-updated as thing are 
sold, and the price in the second column is what I'm asking, plus shipping at 
my cost. I am more interested in selling as much of the frame and what's on the 
frame as I can, and a package of frameset/b.b/crank is most desirable. 
Additional parts bought will get you the discounts shown on the spreadsheet. 
10% off if you buy most or all of it, and some deals for other combos as well. 

Please let me know if I can answer any questions you may have and thanks again 
for looking! Please contact me off-list or at mikeshalj...@gmail.com with 
inquiries. Thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64 cm Sam Hillborne (orange), mostly complete build

[Mike Shaljian]

I'm 6'3 with a 34 inch inseam and (more importantly) 96 cm PBH. Seatpost is 
maxxed out for me, but the bike fits perfectly!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mike Shaljian]

It does make sense if you are running more than one wheelset. My Jones can't 
use a dynohub so I didn't have a choice, but it's pretty sweet not having to 
invest in two dynohubs to run mountain and slick tires. There's also a 
not-insignificant weight savings to using a 70g bottle dynamo versus heavier 
dynohub options. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mike Shaljian]

They cost about $150 plus ≈ $15 shipping, depending on the exchange rate. I 
bought one recently but have yet to set it up. If you email from the address 
listed on the webpage they respond very quickly.

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Taillights

[Mike Shaljian]

Also, from what I've read, the German regulation exists because it is thought 
that blinking lights mesmerize drunk drivers, causing what I guess would be 
called target fixation. 

The main benefit (in my mind) of a blinking light is that it saves some 
battery, which is of course not an issue with a dynamo light. The Busch  
Mueller 'Toplight Line Plus' light is a fantastic dynamo taillight and I doubt 
there's anything that provides better visibility. 

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[RBW] Re: The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Mike Shaljian]

Apparently this is necessary reading for the aforementioned shit-apples? 
http://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-Edition-Environmentally/dp/1580083633

I've got/had plans to do this ride and always figured I'd do it outside of the 
semi-organized dog-n-pony show anyhow, but this is just really sad news for the 
bikepacking community. Seems almost like willful sabotage of a really special 
thing. Or maybe alcohol. Or maybe because we're undergoing devolution. It's 
just sad and stupid. 

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[RBW] Re: WTT 62cm Hunq for 58cm

[Mike Shaljian]

Whelp I'm 6'3 with a 97 cm PBH and I wish I had bought a 68 Quickbeam instead 
of the 64 I did get. Youthful inexperience had caused large frame phobia. . . 
but yeah 66 isn't that huge!

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Mike Shaljian]

I would just like to chime in and say that one perhaps under-appreciated 
feature of a Jones is the truss fork. After never being to get rid of brake 
stutter with the Paul V-brakes on my Sam, I was really stoked to have 
exceptionally powerful brakes and absolutely no stutter. The truss fork seems 
exceptionally strong but also forgiving, with it's high degree of rake seeming 
to result in crisp handling and a more vertically  compliant ride. I think the 
front thru-axle hub (135mm axle) is a great feature and I know they're supposed 
to improve handling, seems like a major plus for hard off-road riding. 

About a year ago I thought I would never get a disc-equipped bike just because 
it did seem like incorporating disks on an all-road bike would make the builder 
us an overkill fork that killed the ride quality. While the truss fork could 
appear bulky, I think it also is elegant in its own way and a key part of the 
way a Jones bike rides. It also adds character sort of like what the double top 
tube was on my Sam! This bike is really stable and just wants to be ridden 
hard. . . but I thin I've evangelized for it enough. 

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[RBW] INVISIBLE LIFE PAINT GLOWS IN THE DARK

[Mike Shaljian]

And there's the Bike Snob's retort: 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/15/dont-make-bicyclists-more-visible-make-cars-stop-running-them-over/

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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Mike Shaljian]

So who won the Outback? Is it a secret from the internet until 6 months have 
elapsed? Not that racing this would be my thing, but I'm interested to know 
what the rig strategies were with the top finishers this time around. 

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[RBW] Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Mike Shaljian]

Hi Patrick,

Patrick,

I think you might do well to talk with Jeff Jones about what you're looking to 
do. I'm inferring from your post that you think the Jones would be 
over-biking for the sort of riding you're looking to do, but I think it would 
fill this niche quite nicely. If you were to run 29 X 2.35 Super Motos on WTB 
Scraper rims, you could run them tubeless and be goathead-proofed, along with 
basically feeling like you're flying on dirt/gravel. The Super Motos were 
designed to be run on the beach and dry tracks, after all. My Super Motos mount 
to be about 63mm on the wider rim. 

I was really blown away by how fast the Jones Plus rides with slicks, it felt 
at least as fast as my Sam with Barlows, despite the weight class difference. 
There is also this magic of riding in the bike that Jeff talks about which 
has to be experienced to understood. Also, no need for a custom with Jones 
bikes because they're super easy to dial in!  I also think there is a 
tremendous benefit to being able to switch to a 29+ wheelset if you're going to 
be doing some seriously loaded hauling or riding really technical terrain; or 
both at the same time! 

Another great thing about the Jones is you can strap stuff sacks or even a tent 
onto the fork. There's a ton of versatility with load carrying options! 

Here are two Jones setup for a Bikepacking 101 S24O: http://imgur.com/pB8rEv6

-- Mike 

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[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Mike Shaljian]

The OP does insist on disc brakes, so no Rivendells for this purpose, 
unfortunately. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?

[Mike Shaljian]

Patrick,

The thing about the ride of the Jones Plus on the road is that it really is 
like a limousine. . . the extra long wheelbase smooths out everything. Even 
though it has a very long wheelbase, the bike still feels very responsive with 
the high (76 mm) rake on the fork, and I feel that it turns very tightly in 
singletrack that I ride, in addition to very stable, responsive handling under 
more normal road conditions as well. I've mostly been riding it with 29+ tires 
(Chupacabras) which definitely handle differently than what you'd likely be 
using, but to me the bike is very lively and stable and just great. 

I can't really describe the difference, but there's a whole different feeling 
and orientation to the bike when I'm on my Jones vs. my Sam. The Jones feels 
much more like an extension of my body and natural, whereas the Rivendell now 
feels like a forced and less comfortable position. I also think I have better 
power delivery in the more laid back stance the Jones geometry has me in, it 
just feels better on the body. With something like Super Motos on (run 
tubeless!), I think the Jones Plus would make for a very relaxed but zippy 
cruiser type bike, and you could also switch to plus tires for next level 
traction. However, I think the Plus, as is, is so versatile and perfect for 
whatever you could throw at it in the realm of dirt riding, bikepacking and 
mountain biking. 

I was blown away by how wide open the Jones felt with Super Motos on, like at 
least as fast as my Sam and probably as fast as my stripped down Quickbeam in a 
favorable grade. Jeff Jones has worked out some crazy freaking magic in making 
this bike do everything perfectly, and it's so easy to get a great fit. I 
really recommend speaking with Jeff to work it all out!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24 or 25 
ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6 - 6'6, given different 
seatpost/stem combinations. He also makes a point that the 24 Plus starts with 
the same reach as a small (I think) ECR, and you just go from there with 
changing the components to optimize fit. I can't conceive of a more versatile 
and fun bike, the hype you see about Jones bikes on the web is very real in 
practice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

Thanks for your insight, Christian, and very well said. I apologize if I've 
hijacked threads off-topic this time around and in the past with some Jones 
gushing, but I am, in fact, still a Rivendell owner! 

However, my Sam Hillborne no longer serves the kind of riding I prefer to do, 
which tends to consist now of singletrack, rough gravel, dirt and indeed a 
decent amount of pavement. When I lived in a sprawling east coast city, the 
Hillborne served me well for 10,000+ miles of fun road riding (mostly 
commuting). Now that I find myself in more adventurous terrain in Eastern 
Washington  surrounding, I kept wanting to push the limits of what was 
possible for an All-Rounder, and finally arrived at it after a few long 
conversations with Jeff Jones. I had very seriously considered a Hunqapillar, 
but decided that the 29+ platform was just too damn enchanting to pass up, and 
I'm glad I went that way, especially given my underdeveloped technical 
proficiency as a new mountain biker (rolling over pretty much everything with 
aplomb is great!). 

The thing I love about the Jones is the versatility and how it never seems like 
a compromise bike (in the way a Hillborne with Rock N' Roads might be). I'm 
about to get a second wheelset to go along with my 3 tires, which will be 
running tubeless Super Motos. It is pretty amazing to me how the Jones 
transforms from super capable mountain bike to very damn fast All-Road bike 
with just a wheelset swap (rode tubed Motos when I first got the bike). I 
should point out that I've never been especially go fast in my riding, as 
indicated by my love for my Sam (which I know many on here find sluggish on the 
road). I'm more of a rambler who likes to go hard in waves, and never in a 
competitive sense (e.g. rando rides). I guess the point I was trying to make is 
that if you can afford two (or three) beautiful bikes, that's great! The NFE 
and a Jones obviously are best suited to different goals. But if you had to 
choose one bike to tackle the greatest diversity of exploration, I can just say 
that I've been amazed at the fun and confidence a Jeff Jones bicycle inspires 
in a bunch of settings. 

+1 on what Christian said about the fit mystery also. It really is very, very 
damn simple with Jeff. Call him up, discuss some basic proportions and what you 
want to do, and he'll set you up right. 

-- Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in 
the Jones Plus. 2.1 max tire seems awfully limiting to me when 3 tires give 
you the ability to do real mountain biking and fly down loose gravel descents 
with confidence. Pretty MUSA bike though! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5 and she is very happy with the Jones 
Plus. To my surprise, she even maxxed out the 250mm seatpost I recommended (and 
she's running a 70mm, 0º rise stem, as per Jeff's recc.). She hasn't ridden it 
with 29+ tires yet, but on Super Motos she is more than comfortable with the 
standover height, and I expect she'll be fine with 3 tires. It seems like 5'6 
is the lower height limit, depending on proportions.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Dirt Hillborne

[Mike Shaljian]

Phillip,

What 60mm slicks are you using? Schwalbe Super Motos, I'm guessing? I'm 
currently messing with those, but always on the lookout for something better 
(and more tubeless-compatible). 

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Re: [RBW] Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Mike Shaljian]

I had used panniers and a small saddlebag exclusively on my Sam, and recently 
thought of switching to bikepacking-style bags on my Jones Plus. I thought I 
could be a stealth ninja with all-black Revelate/Porcelain Rocket bags for my 
bikepacking rig, but they just seem too confining and hard to organize. I'm 
planning to do many S24O's and some 3-5 day trips this summer and I plan to use 
my Swift Roll Top panniers (≈ 60L), a small Swift Zeitgeist saddle bag and a 
Revelate Sweetroll handlebar bag as my primary bags. I really like the easy 
on/off feature others have mentioned (esp. for quickly going from bikepacking 
bike to everyday bike to mountain bike and back) and also the better 
organization panniers and traditional saddle bags provide. Swift bags are just 
awesome, by the way. Combine with some Sea-to-Summit sil-dry bags and you've 
got a reliable waterproof system. 

I had ordered a frame pack for my bike and I was not impressed with the 
weight-of-bag:capacity ratio, in addition to the issue of inevitable velcro 
breakdown. I also have a Porcelain Rocket saddlebag on order but am considering 
backing out thinking it's not compatible with a rear rack. Panniers may be less 
high-performance than a dedicated bikepacking rig, but there's something to be 
said for tried-and-true simplicity and capaciousness. Especially when you err 
on the pack rat part of the spectrum. 

Here's the bike at the Deschutes River Trail this past weekend! 
http://imgur.com/gXKSxFY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Mike Shaljian]

It would seem like the Schwalbe 'Rock Razor' might be a good model to try for 
dirt touring 
(http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/off-road_tires/Rock_Razor). . .

I've been searching for the perfect medium-duty touring tire as well. I have 
helped a friend setup some Super Motos as tubeless on her 29+ bike and am going 
to do the same on mine, in order to have a go faster wheelset along with my 
3 Chupacabras. The trouble with the Lite-Skin Super Motos is that the sidewall 
is very leaky and the tires don't have a TL-Easy/Ready bead. Hers seem to be 
starting to hold pressure after a week of fussing. 

Due to the leaky nature of Super Motos, I've considered the option of getting 
some Rock Razors and sanding off the nubs to have a TL-Ready, 2.35 tire that 
would be fit for lighter touring and fast gravel/paved road rides. If this was 
going to be your main loaded dirt touring tire the nubs would obviously help! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Mike Shaljian]

Perhaps Hanlon's Razor applies to this sticky situation:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. 

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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Mike Shaljian]

Looks like Schwalbe is now offering the Thunder Burt in 29 X 2.25 ! Very 
exciting for those looking for even more volume! http://bit.ly/1H1SrjZ

I already have a super duper 3 knobby (Bontrager Chupacabra) so I'll be 
passing on these, but I'm looking forward to trying to run Super Motos tubeless 
and I'll report back on how that goes. Seems like these could work with the 
latest Hunqapillars without fenders, from what I've heard. The Super Moto is 
also a really nice tire, if you can fit it. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs and Disc Brakes

[Mike Shaljian]

You should check out Jeff Jones' truss forks! They are freaking beautiful and 
smart. After beginning to dip my feet into technical trail riding lately, I'm 
really impressed with mechanical disks, despite very much being in the 
Retro-Grouch camp. If you're riding a loaded bike on rough roads or riding 
singletrack, a 1 1/8 steerer tube, truss fork and disc brakes are really nice 
to have. 60-77 mm tires are awesome too!

I wonder what a Grant Petersen - Jeff Jones lovechild bike would look like. . . 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs and Disc Brakes

[Mike Shaljian]

I have Avid BB7's on my Jones Plus, which cost me $105 total for a whole kit, 
with levers. The Paul Motolites on my Rivendell (only reliable V-brake for a 
bike that nice) cost me $195 without levers. The BB7's seem at least as 
reliable/robust as any rim brakes I've used, and I think I could do most 
necessary maintenance on them myself, and on the roadside on tour, if needed. I 
think disc brakes have a place for a certain type of riding, and they're great 
for mountain biking, bikepacking and loaded touring. 

Also, like Patrick says, the rim choice you get with disc rims and the 
advantages therein are numerous. I have WTB Scraper rims which are 45mm 
internal width, seal up incredibly well tubeless, and seem very, very strong. 
They are only 20% heavier than the DT Swiss 24mm wide rims I have on my Sam. 
The tubeless capability combined with ability to run lower pressure with a 
wider rim are great advantages, plus not wearing down your rims and replacing 
every so often is a big plus. Paying $150/wheel every 2-3 years just because of 
wear gets old. Also, you can still brake properly if your wheel goes out of 
true. 

The wheel/tire setups that I can run on a 29+ platform give so many advantages, 
and disc brakes are a big part of what I see as a simple, reliable, practical 
setup. 

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[RBW] Re: RIP Jobst Brandt

[Mike Shaljian]

Good piece by the Bike Snob on today's post: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Mike Shaljian]

Look, Schwalbe is offering the Thunder Burt as a 29 X 2.25 model now! Even 
more volume for super-cush All-Road and trails riding! 
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/thunder-burt.html

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle Repair - Broken Tension Shackle

[Mike Shaljian]

Oh, right, Firth  Wilson of Philadelphia, PA as mentioned above, must be the 
same guy who helped me out. 

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[RBW] Any doing Oregon Outback?

[Mike Shaljian]

Wish I was! I haven't had a chance to get in any shorter practice bikepacking 
tours, so I'm not going to take on the Xtreme logistical challenge that the 
Outback seems to be. The whole not ending up where you started deal definitely 
puts a bit of a damper on this route for me, though I'm sure it would be easy 
enough to coordinate a ride back with others if doing the official ride. 
Thing is, I don't have a sense of how long I'd want to take with this, probably 
4 days personally, but a friend who was interested in riding with me was 
thinking 5-6. 

In lieu of this, I'm planning to do the Steens Mountain route from VeloDirt at 
some point in July to get a good Oregon tour in. Also planning to ride the 
Oregon Stampede route soon to discover the Dalles. 

Yay summer! Yay bikepacking! I'm rooting for all those planning to gut out the 
367 miles! 

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[RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

[Mike Shaljian]

The eccentric answer: tell them to buy a Jones diamond frame and run super 
motos tubeless on WTB Scraper rims. That bike will be fast as f*k. People 
don't understand the black magic of Jeff Jones until they ride one of his 
bikes. They're astonishingly fast and capable, even for (reformed) tri-dorks. 

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[RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?

[Mike Shaljian]

Just buy Sabots or Heiruspecs. Also, +1 on what Patrick said about 
strengthening your feet. I would highly recommend walking and riding in 
minimalist shoes, as I've mentioned on the other thread. Build strength in your 
feet and avoid repetitive stress injuries with a free and stable platform, 
it'll all be good. 

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[RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass Tires

[Mike Shaljian]

I think you need to be more skeptical of the notion that the Marathons are, in 
fact, significantly more flat-resistant than the Barlows. The higher volume and 
lower pressure characteristics of the Barlow make it, in my estimation, a very 
flat resistant tire. I have put probably 3500 miles on Barlows in the past year 
or so, entirely while living in college towns with lots of broken glass. Like, 
actually, fairly large bits are all around and ground glass is everywhere where 
I've been riding. I have not had one flat in that time and I wouldn't say I 
ride particularly cautiously. I just run the Barlows at 38 in the rear and 34 
up front, and I'm 190 lbs. 

I agree with Patrick, running them at low pressure is almost unsettlingly more 
comfortable and zippier, in my experience. Marathons always felt so very dead 
to me, on both a Quickbeam and Sam Hillborne. 

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Re: [RBW] What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

I would really give the 45nrth Heiruspecs a good look. They are plenty wide and 
the pin traction makes for an even distribution of weight and good grip. If 
you're feeling pedals through the shoe, it's probably not the shoe that's the 
problem. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

My foot position changes from mid-foot (climbing) to ball (spinning) and I 
haven't had the slightest foot issue in 20,000 miles of riding the past 4 
years. I don't understand what you mean by inefficient, but I change my foot 
position to the orientation that feels best for what I'm doing and feeling 
good is efficient enough for me. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

Very off topic, but it seems my browser is the problem, not Google Groups. In 
Chrome all I can see is one post button which replies to everyone, while in 
Safari there is the familiar option to respond privately.I swear I'm not a 
complete tech idiot, it's just a very strange choice to me to take away that 
feature. Will plan to use Safari when viewing from now on. 

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[RBW] VO Sabot pedal reviews needed, please.

[Mike Shaljian]

The 45NRTH 'Heiruspecs' pedals I mentioned in the shoe thread are really 
fantastic, and they're 100mm X 100mm. I rode Sabots for about a year before 
getting these for a new bike, and they are a marked improvement, in my 
estimation. I also began to have an issue with bearing clicking in my Sabots, 
while I've heard of people getting thousands of trouble-free miles out of 
Heiruspecs; can't speak to the durability after just a month though. Overall, 
the bearings just feel better in hand, they're just as supportive and grippier, 
and for me, Heiruspecs just make for a pedal I think less about. 45NRTH makes 
damn nice bike stuff (as does V.O). 

http://45nrth.com/products/pedals/heiruspecs

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Re: [RBW] What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

Here is a good place to get the Heiruspecs from. You can get a 10% off coupon 
as a new customer with Ben's Cycle, and they are reliable. The Heiruspecs are 
as wide as the V.O Sabot but seem to have a better build quality and smoother 
bearings. 
https://www.benscycle.com/p-5544-45north-heiruspecs-platform-pedal-black.aspx

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[RBW] What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

Speaking of sandals, has anybody tried Luna sandals? I have wished for a 
minimalist sandal for a while and didn't know these guys existed until 
searching the Minimalist Runner group. I like the build quality of Chacos but 
the ridiculous over-engineering and clunky thickness of them has made me steer 
clear of sandals other than Birkenstocks. 

This looks like a pretty good cycling option: 
http://lunasandals.com/products/leadville-trail?variant=1148259636

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[RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

Hi Ron,

Not really sure what the terse, corrective tone is about, maybe something is 
just being lost (as it often is) communicating through writing on the internet. 
I'm not advocating for a single, correct way to ride a bike, just offering the 
approach that has worked for me. 

Also wish I could reply to author only on this, but that appears to no longer 
be an easily accessible option on the awful Google Groups redesign. 

Mike 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

Ahh, I see, so it's not possible to respond directly to another's email these 
days? Seems like a very limiting option, especially for the need to communicate 
privately about for sale items so the board doesn't get cluttered with 
irrelevant messages. Perhaps I've just added to said pile with this reply. . . 

I liked the private reply option a lot when it was available. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

[Mike Shaljian]

At the risk of sounding very Retrogrouch, I'll say I really don't understand 
the perceived need for stiff cycling shoes, given the fairly low intensity of 
pedaling a bicycle. I have worn minimalist shoes for a few years now because 
they're extremely light and breathable and very comfortable to walk in. I can't 
see how a stiff shoe would in any way improve the quality of my ride. Get 
stripped down shoes and stronger feet!

I had worn New Balance 'Minimus' shoes for several years, but they degrade 
prematurely with the adhesive on the sole being less than adequate. I recently 
got a pair of Merrell Trail Glove 3's and they seem to be a significant 
improvement over the New Balance 'Minimus' line. They have what they call a 
rock plate in the forefoot, which is basically a piece of rubber added for 
more impact protection. The sole is a bit more substantial than NB and I think 
these will have better durability just based on the look of how the sole is 
bonded. I also really like the rubber compound and tread pattern on the sole; 
extremely grippy on the pedals, even when wet. I don't think you can do better 
than this right now for a minimalist running shoe.

http://www.rei.com/product/879947/merrell-trail-glove-3-trail-running-shoes-mens

I've also recently switched to 45nrth Heiruspecs pedals and they are much 
better than anything I've used previously (Thin Gripster, V.O Sabot, Gripkings, 
etc.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

http://blog.jonesbikes.com/650b-27-5-wheels-in-a-jones-29-spaceframe/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

His bikes definitely do work as 27.5+ bikes! Go with some WTB Scrapers and the 
new Bontrager 27.5+ tire and you'll be set!

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[RBW] Re: Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

Nah man, an Atlantic with 2.25 tires is not fat enough! You need to try the 
tubeless joy of 29+! It's fat but fast, for serious. 

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[RBW] Re: A modest proposal

[Mike Shaljian]

The vague to completely non-descriptive post titles are really baffling. 
There's too much to read in the world without having to sort through much 
verbal chaff to figure out if I am interested in a posting. A thread title 
should be like an email subject: it should give the reader an explicit 
understanding of what the hell you're about to discuss!

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

My perfect number of bikes is a JoNes Plus ;)

 I initially set up the bike with (tubed) Super Motos to see how it faired as a 
more road-orientated bike, and I was blown away by how fast, comfortable and 
stable it was, once I got the cockpit setup properly. I've since been riding it 
with 3 Bontrager Chupacabras and am very pleased with how well those roll on 
the road for my commuting, but the real joy is unleashing it on the trails and 
gravel. It's amazing how much ease you can ride with in the 29+ setup, has to 
be experienced to really be understood. The 38's on my Sam now feel strikingly 
skinny and I really can't imagine riding a tire skinnier than 60mm and above 20 
PSI anymore. Fatter is better, and definitely no slower!

I'm going to put together a second wheelset soon and try to run the Super Motos 
tubeless, and I'm hoping it will be noticeably faster/funner than before. 
Tubeless really seems like the way to go to me, just so much less hassle and a 
nicer ride at lower pressure than the clincher approach, it seems. Before 
someone chirps in with it's not a race, just enjoy the ride. . . I'll make a 
pre-emptive strike and say that some of us are in a state of enjoyment when 
riding fast, though not in competition with some Peloton Freds!

As much fun as I've had in the thousands and thousands of miles on my 
Rivendells, I think Jeff Jones has just made a punctuated equillibrium-type 
jump in the biking world with this design. It seems to be a more than capable 
bikepacking bike, a plenty agile and stout mountain bike, and a freakishly fast 
all-road bike, all-in-one. 

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

Here's the one good shot I have of the Jones Plus in action (smartphone 
currently broken). The new Google Groups layout makes me want to scream doing 
anything more than posting, so I have no idea how to add a picture in-line. 
Here it is on imgur though: http://imgur.com/grpsWwg

Riding bliss begins where the pavement ends!

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

I'll also add that it's interesting to me how the fat tire deal really grows on 
you (or me) rather quickly and it wasn't long before even the 3-inchers felt 
pretty much normal. I remember looking at a Krampus with 3 knards in the 
Universal Cycles showroom in Portland and thinking my god, what have I done. . 
., ordering a 29+ Jones creation basically on faith. I chose not to ask to 
test ride the Surly (since it was raining and I had no intention of buying one) 
and just told myself the exuberant JJ praise on the internet must be real. So 
glad I was an early adopter of the Plus. 

 On my test ride with the Super Motos the 60mm tires even felt a little 
clownish. However, the wider = more rolling resistance thing really is a 
(false) matter of perception with the right setup, and it wasn't long before I 
was in love with the inherent suppleness and stability of a truly fat tire. No 
fear of washing out on fast gravel descents is so great. When I get a bottle 
dynamo and switchover my light system and rear rack from the Hillborne this 
will really be the bike I longed for but didn't think was possible: fast, 
tough, stable and packable/fendered(?)/tour-able. 

Another big difference (which no longer feels novel) is how the greater inertia 
of the heavier wheelset makes cruising feel effortless on flat to low-grade 
sections. Also, Jeff Jones mentions the somewhat  abstract-sounding concept of 
riding in the bike on his website, but this bike really does feel more like 
an extension of my body and the ride is just a lot of fun because everything is 
so much easier on the body. 

I'll try and get some more pictures this weekend with the Plus in its natural 
singletrack surroundings!

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Re: [RBW] Thinking about Clem Wheels - What rim for 60mm tires?

[Mike Shaljian]

Not applicable to the Rivendell parts world, but I'm running 60mm Super Motos 
on a WTB Scraper (29+) rim with 45mm internal width. The tire mounts 
beautifully on this ultra-wide rim, so don't be shy about getting a rim with 
≈35mm width. My tires measured at 63mm with calipers, and the wider rim/greater 
volume allows you to safely run the tire at lower pressure. Not sure if there 
are tubeless-ready or tubeless-doable options for rim brake rims, but a Super 
Moto run tubeless seems like it will be the bee's knees to me, though I haven't 
tried that setup on my TLR rims yet. I run my Motos at about 17-19 PSI, and the 
ride is so plush.

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[RBW] Re: Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

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Is 700 X 38 really mid-fat? Man, y'all need to get on a bike with 60mm Super 
Motos and see what the REAL plush and fast experience is about. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

[Mike Shaljian]

A friend of mine just placed a $1000 order from www.hibike.com and there was no 
tariff/customs charge. The only additional charge is 20 euro for the shipping. 
Hibike has fantastic customer service and great selection. 

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[RBW] Hunq vs Clem

[Mike Shaljian]

I don't feel slow on it. I'm not quite ready to go full heavy upright long 
chainstay crazy big tired out yet.

I plan to post a detailed comparison of my new Jones Plus with the Sam 
Hillborne I've had since 2012, but I can say briefly that a bike can be 
long/stout and fast. I have much respect for and lots of happy riding with 
Grant's designs, but I swear Jeff Jones is a goddamn genius. I was blown away 
by how fast the plus is on the road with 60mm Super Motos and it was a nimble 
beast in my first-ever singletrack outing. 

Haven't done any timed comparisons on my gravel loops, but I would estimate I 
can easily trim my time by 10%, riding at the same effort on the Jones vs. the 
Sam, due to I think both the 50% fatter tire and Jeff Jones Geometry Voodoo 
Magic. I know this is a Rivendell forum, but man, the fun factor on a Jones 
just from the expanded capability has to be ridden to be believed. 29+ has the 
makings of the next big thing and I think a lot of Rivendell people would be 
interested in this type of bike. Jeff Jones is your man!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

Here's a sneak peek of the Jones, w/ one 60mm Super Moto on a 45mm rim (yay, 
chubby bikes!): http://imgur.com/Iih7riE

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[RBW] Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

[Mike Shaljian]

As someone who rode Mara Supreme 33's for years and switched to Barlow Passes 
on my Hillborne, I would emphatically recommend you get Barlow Passes, and get 
the extra-lights. I was amazed at how my bike suddenly came alive when I 
switched to these, after years of suffering from paranoia that glass would 
destroy my tires (problematic in a college town) and that running tires at 
maximum pressure made me faster. 

I run the Barlows at 38 pounds in the front and 42 in the back and the ride is 
terrific, whether on pavement or gravel. I have not gotten a single flat in 
several thousand miles of riding these, and I still live in a college town with 
devolved children who still like to throw bottles in the street. I think fat, 
fast and light is a great combination and I don't think you can get a better 
tire than the Compass for predominantly road riding. The Marathons, on the 
other hand, are way overbuilt for most people (IMO), and the extra width of 
a 38 vs. a 33 will help with flat resistance. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

I suppose by fast I mean efficient; efficient in the sense of not being 
ground down and weary from riding harsh washboard for miles with tires that 
aren't really up to the task. I imagine riding rough roads will be far more 
enjoyable with huge tires run at low pressures, meaning I hope the bike will be 
fast and fun as a function of it being comfortable. Will definitely post a ride 
report!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

I will definitely post pictures and initial impressions compared to my Riv.

- Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

As someone who's ridden a Sam for the past 3+ years and who's recently felt the 
uncontrollable urge to upgrade to a fatter-tired bike, I would say wait for the 
Clem. I have slowly crept up in tire size over the years, going from 28mm 
gatorskins back in the mid-2000's, to 33mm Supremes on my Quickbeam, to the 
38mm Barlow Pass on my Hillborne now. I now think of 38's as skinnies and the 
lower limit of what I would ride. Unfortunately, this about where the Sam maxes 
out (in combination with the lack of supple road tires in the 43-45mm range 
that it could handle). 

When I heard that the Clem will definitively be able to take a 60mm tire with 
fender, I was glad that Rivendell stepped it up to the next level of fat 
function. I am about to get a Jones Plus with 60mm Super Motos to start and I 
am quite sure that it will be significantly faster and funner than my Hillborne 
on all surfaces except smooth pavement, thanks to the 1.5X tires. I was about 
to say my love with Rivendell was coming to an end, due to the limitations of 
the Sam and the change in my preferences, but this is a cool jump to see. 

All that being said, I think the Sam is a great bike if you just want a 
reliable, pretty and fun road commuter/light tourer, but the bike is rather 
limited (for the cost) from my perspective. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Photos

[Mike Shaljian]

Oofda, hasn't Jan Heine's work in the Bicycle Quarterly tests shown us that 
higher pressure doesn't equate to a faster ride? I personally don't see the 
point of going for puncture protection on an ultra-wide tire unless you are a 
bicycle organ courier in a glass-strewn war zone (or something similar). Since 
switching from tough-n-dead Marathon Supreme 33's to supple Barlow Pass 38's I 
haven't had one flat and have encountered just as much glass, living in a 
college town. Wide tires run at low pressures really do seem to do wonders for 
flat protection. 

I am about to run Super Motos on my new Jones Plus and I think this would be 
such a fantastic choice for the Clem, once they get rolling. They are 
SuperSupple (for a Schwalbe...) !

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/tire-pressure-data-and-details/

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[RBW] Time to replace rim on my Quickbeam

[Mike Shaljian]

I would highly recommend the DT Swiss TK-540 rim. It's a 24mm wide trekking rim 
and it has served me well over at least 10,000 miles of riding (now on 2nd set 
on my Hillborne). I made the mistake of switching to Velocity rims for my first 
replacement and both of them failed in relatively few miles. DT Swiss is where 
it's at for Round N' Reliable in a commuter rim. 

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[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes -- Wow!

[Mike Shaljian]

I think it depends on your bike. Strangely, on my 700C (64cm) Sam Hillborne the 
brake pads are at the very lowest position in the huge adjustment range on the 
Motolites. I would love to have gone 650B on my recent wheel re-builds to get a 
650X42mm tire, but the strange canti stud placement on the frame won't allow 
for this. Ask your LBS!

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[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes -- Wow!

[Mike Shaljian]

Indeed. Long-reach calipers was the obvious choice, don't think I'd bother 
though. I question the handling change at 650b on a Sam. 

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:58:05 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:

 Mike, I'm confused  on my 650b Bombadil, I have Motolites, and could 
 raise the pads to run 700c wheels with it, but to go from a 700c to a 650b 
 (as I did w/ my Rambouillet), you have to use long-reach calipers, not 
 canti's ??

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:37:51 PM UTC-5, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 I think it depends on your bike. Strangely, on my 700C (64cm) Sam 
 Hillborne the brake pads are at the very lowest position in the huge 
 adjustment range on the Motolites. I would love to have gone 650B on my 
 recent wheel re-builds to get a 650X42mm tire, but the strange canti stud 
 placement on the frame won't allow for this. Ask your LBS!



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[RBW] Re: Bar Ends vs Paul Thumbies? Anyone tried both?

[Mike Shaljian]

I would recommend the Velo Orange 'Grand Cru' thumbie mounts. They're 
really solid and easy to adjust (hinged), they also match the finish of the 
silver shifters very well. I'm going to put a set on my Jones Plus. Have 
had that on my Sam H. for the entire 2 years, great setup for an 
albastache/moustache bar. 

On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 6:36:06 AM UTC-8, RJM wrote:

 I like bar ends  better and honestly prefer stem shifters over thumbies on 
 drop bars. They look better and I feel the thumbies take up too much of the 
 bar for me. 

 On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:41:02 PM UTC-6, N. Llama wrote:

 Speaking of bar ends vs Thumbies, what are people's thoughts on the two 
 for drop bars? I'm reluctantly switching from downtube shifters on my 
 touring bike (not stable enough fully loaded and going fast on the highway) 
 and have had the idea of running thumbies instead of bar ends since I have 
 been in the bar end camp before and was bothered by the accidental shifts, 
 but I'm not sure how ergonomic or well thumbies would work. I've seen a few 
 pictures of people running thumbies on drop bars but there are others out 
 there saying that it's a no go.



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[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes -- Wow!

[Mike Shaljian]

Have you considered getting Paul Motolites? I hated cantis and then switched to 
V-brakes, but struggled to find a reliable, high-performance V-brake. The 
Motolite is just that: powerful, reliable and of course pretty. I added a brake 
booster to the front and they are dynamite now. 

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