[RBW] Re: WTB: 54-56 Sam Hillborne (i think? my first riv!) but open to other Rivs

[Valerie Yates]

Sam is a great choice. Orange Sam especially. Please heed the warnings 
about anyone who contacts you off list with a bike they are purporting to 
sell. 

Best,
Val in Boulder
On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 6:58:34 PM UTC-6 jyos...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have admired Rivendell bikes since I first saw a homer parked outside of 
> my local food co op a few years back, set up with nitto albastache bars and 
> I thought what is THAT?! I was enthralled by the lugs, the thin steel road 
> like frame rocking fat tires, and the bars. love at first sight!
>
> My current collection includes a lovely purple waterford road bike i 
> inherited from my grandpa, he had great taste. I love zipping around on 
> that no frills frame. And a '85 schwinn high sierra set up as a commuter. I 
> purchased it for touring but find it a bit unstable and wonky geometry for 
> long rides. 
>
> I'm ready to bite the bullet and purchase a rivendell. I think id be happy 
> on a Sam, I want something with a bit of zip, but still able to load up for 
> tours and exploration. I'm only 150lbs so i feel like i could get away with 
> a Sam for touring as opposed to one of the heavier more dedicated touring 
> models. Would love any input.
>
> My pbh is 86 and I live in Maine right now, but willing to drive some 
> distance for the right bike. I'll be in chicago in mid july as well 
> visiting family, so can set something up there too.
> Side note: I absolutely love the orange colorway on sam frames, thats my 
> dream bike! if you have one and are willing to part with it, you'd make me 
> a happy camper.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you all! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus S24O

[Valerie Yates]

Nicely done! Gorgeous pics. You are lucky to have such a lovely place 
nearby. Your approach is great for building interest and confidence. Hope 
you enjoy many more adventures with your son and share the pics here.

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 5:16:24 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> Most excellent! 
>
> S24Os represent so much value and have weathered the time since named and 
> promoted at Rivendell. They offer a taste, a trial experience and a low 
> regret situation if some part of your prep or kit isn't right. It becomes 
> the threshold of a whole new set of opportunities with your bike, 
> especially for your son. Kudos for doing that for him.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Intrigued by recent examples and talks of light touring on a Platypus 
>> (Leah, Diana H, Tim B), and spotting an opportunity to get out Tuesday 
>> evening in advance of the Juneteenth holiday, I packed two of my bikes up 
>> for a light weight, sub-twelve hour overnight with my son. Our destination 
>> was a local town owned forest with several primitive camp sites (no 
>> facilities) less than a 10-mile ride away.
>>
>> This outing served a few purposes, 1) to see how the Platypus would fare 
>> with a light overnight load, 2) to see just how light a load I could get 
>> away with for two people (each with their own sleep setup), and 3) to see 
>> how my middle son (the one most interested in bike rides with dad), would 
>> take to pedaling his own load.
>>
>> My Platypus carried my sleeping gear, stove kit (unused), bike tool kit, 
>> and a few bars for food (an advantage of waiting until after dinner to ride 
>> out). My son's bike carried his sleeping gear (using a seat pack and 
>> harness setup). Massachusetts is in the midst of a heat wave with highs 
>> near 100F and lows in the 70s, so we didn't need to pack extra sleeping 
>> layers and could use minimal bedding.
>>
>> The Platypus did great - due to the minimal packing load my Happisack 
>> weighed under 9lbs and my Tunitas basket bag under 5lbs. My stem bag 
>> carried an extra 32oz of water (unused). My son enjoyed the overnight and 
>> is open to doing a longer ride (~30mi each way) out to a State Forest 
>> campground (with facilities!). We'll need to carry more food (and possibly 
>> layers) on that trip; putting a couple of more lbs on the Platy and using a 
>> frame bag on my son's bike should do the trick.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240619_100254533_k64-1800.jpg]
>> [image: ig2.jpg]
>>
>> [image: ig3.jpg]
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Valerie Yates]

I like drop bars, just not the Straggler.  It was pretty and took 650b 
wheels but felt heavy and dull to me. Mine was small (51?). Might be better 
in larger sizes. Mine felt stiff and stout and had no glide.  

Your bike looks better and better. Curious to learn your opinion of those 
tires. They look very capable. How do they ride?  I have Schwalbe Marathon 
Supremes on mine. Feels very Cadillac. Curious too about the quick rack. I 
like to have the rack mounted to the eyelets. Not sure the benefit of 
mounting to the seat post. Is that the quick part? 


On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 5:10:49 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> Valerie, it's comforting to hear that others have made the same journey as 
> me.
> My Straggler has found its place in my stable as the drop-bar and fendered 
> bike. I like having the option to ride drops! To further differentiate it 
> from the Appaloosa, though, I've removed the rear rack and added a front 
> low-rider rack, shaving about 1kg of weight in the process.
>
> I'll share more photos as it reaches its final form. I'm still waiting on 
> the dynamo light install, and I've swapped out the light and fast (but 
> fragile) Panaracer Driver Pro tyres for Ultradynamico Mars Robustos. Oh, 
> and I bought an Ortlieb Quick Rack rear rack to use on the bike, which fits 
> PERFECTLY, is sturdy, and really is as easy to put on / remove as they 
> claim.
>
> With the new tyres:
> [image: IMG_2049.jpeg]
>
> The Quick Rack:
> [image: IMG_1649.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Valerie Yates]

Love this post and the gorgeous pictures. I too had a Surly Straggler for 
loaded touring prior to getting a first round of Appaloosa. The view and 
comfort from the Appa was huge upgrade. Sold the Surly immediately and 
never looked back. I felt Straggler was a very apt name for that sluggish 
frame. The Appa shines as a touring bike. Love the purple. Congrats. Hope 
you will share more of your bike and scenery pics. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:39:11 AM UTC-6 Tim Tetrault wrote:

> You definitely aren't alone in feeling the "Surly needs spacers" 
> comfort/discomfort issue. It looks like the brand is course correcting with 
> current models, perhaps.
>
> Congrats on the Riv. 
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:44:19 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm enjoying the bike more the 
>> more I ride it - it engenders a different, more relaxed pace - perfect for 
>> exploring.
>>
>> Eric, your Appaloosa with Ortho bars was an insipiration for me, so your 
>> words mean a lot!
>>
>> Jay - funny you mention C, because this frame actually made its way to 
>> me from them! They are super nice people and I love what they're doing with 
>> bikes (obviously).
>>
>> On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 05:17:36 UTC+10:30 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>
 I also love this post!

 I was in C Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
 caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.

 That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!

 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new 
> bike. It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>
> mike in austin tx
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
>> I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this 
>> forum, 
>> so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>>
>>
>> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
>> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read 
>> Tolkein 
>> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and 
>> that 
>> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read 
>> about 
>> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw 
>> was 
>> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell 
>> fan 
>> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
>> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what 
>> I 
>> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
>> reality.
>>
>>
>> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little 
>> bit about the other bikes in my stable…
>>
>>
>> *Surly Straggler*
>>
>> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
>> research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a 
>> do-it-all 
>> bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
>> anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met 
>> all 
>> my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
>> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, 
>> fatter, 
>> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
>> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
>> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It 
>> does 
>> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers 
>> I 
>> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, 
>> though 
>> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
>> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
>> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought 
>> this 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>>
>> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have 
>> more than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry 
>> Barentsen 
>> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
>> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could 
>> get 
>> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
>> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Valerie Yates]

Leah - Fantastic ride report. Your energy is so positive.  Love all the 
details. 

While you were away, we found an exquisite drop-bar bike for you: Rich's 
Roadeo 

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-6 Scott Marriott wrote:

> Scott here. My wife was kind of roped into the ride by a friend and she 
> had a lot of fun. I actually mentioned to her that you bike was the 
> idealized version of the bike I'd like for her to ride, but she's resistant 
> to buying a Riv for herself. This one in the picture is a Trek 1984 420L 
> mixte which is a kind of a an odd-ball early trek. (Sadly not Reynolds or 
> Ishiwata, which would have made for a lighter bike.) The one actual direct 
> from Riv item on the bike is the thumb shifter mounted on top of the 
> handlebar close to the stem. Otherwise most of the bike is definitely 
> Riv-spired.  That said when I was picking up yesterday in New Buffalo I was 
> shocked to see so many boring (to me) bikes. It felt like at least 70% of 
> the bikes where some type of Trek Domaine variant, there were a few Surly's 
> and two Gunnar's, but I didn't see any vintage steel which was surprising.  
> Glad you had a nice ride. Any thoughts on another Chicago group ride?
>
> Scott Marriott, Chicago (Hyde Park)
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 8:21:43 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi you guys,
>>
>> I am home from my first real bike adventure. It was pretty darn perfect.
>>
>> I got on Amtrak just great at Kalamazoo. I rode to the station and got 
>> there embarrassingly early. The agent helped me hoist the bike up the steep 
>> steps (nearly impossible for just me as the back had three heavy bags and 
>> the angle was practically vertical). He gave me premiere parking in the 
>> hallway! And he helped lift the bike down those same steep stairs at the 
>> ride’s end.
>>
>> Leif from this List reached out to me and invited me to ride with a group 
>> of his friends (and his wife). They were Chicagoan, experienced cyclists 
>> who had their own extras to put on the agenda and were welcoming to add-ons 
>> like me. I had never met Leif, but he was as nice as you might imagine and 
>> so was his wife. When do you ever decide to travel across state lines with 
>> 6 strangers and think that’s a safe idea? Only on a bike tour. 
>>
>> The friends rode a variety of bikes, several had drop bars and 2 of them 
>> were wearing kit. The rest of us were in normal clothes. Almost all of us 
>> were about the same age, which was really nice as we were all in similar 
>> stages of life. The group was SO kind and did not make me feel like an 
>> interloper at all. Accomplished, interesting people, they were enjoyable to 
>> chat with and I loved hearing about their lives. There were 2 married 
>> couples in the group and they were very happy to be on their bikes 
>> together. (Sweet!) This Tour de Shore was the leader’s 10th year doing it, 
>> and he had prepared fun side quests for us. We took an extra and more 
>> scenic departure from the city. Instead of eating PB at the SAG stop, we 
>> hit a great brewery for a real lunch. He knew the little food co-op to get 
>> the good ice cream bars from. These extras made the ride even more exciting.
>>
>> They all went camping, but I stayed in a hotel. I met them on the road 
>> for Day 2 and was so pleased it worked. I had to add an extra 2 miles to my 
>> route and frantically pedaled to get there in time because road 
>> construction took the bridge out on my route and I was detoured. We made 
>> good time today and rode pretty fast. We had 41 miles to do and we averaged 
>> 20.3 mph on mile 35, 19.6 mph on mile 36 and 18.7 mph on mile 38. Not bad 
>> for day two!
>>
>> The scenery was..well, I felt like we were in a movie. A lot of our route 
>> was on bike paths and quiet roads. We wound our way around the coast of 
>> Lake Michigan which, if never you’ve seen it, is teal (teal!!!) and like an 
>> inland ocean. There were grand beach houses and kind townspeople. There 
>> were wetlands and creeks and swamps and bridges. Serene bike paths under 
>> tunnels of arching trees. We saw every kind of person riding every kind of 
>> bike. I wish I had taken photos of the scenery but I dreaded causing a 
>> wreck so left my phone in its mount. 
>>
>> The SAG stops were fun - the first one was a giant pancake breakfast and 
>> you caught your pancakes on your plate as the cook sent them sailing 
>> towards you in the air. The facilities were plush and we lacked nothing.
>>
>> The Amtrak ride home did not offer the princess treatment at New Buffalo. 
>> The agent stood by while I tried to hoist the bike nearly vertically (have 
>> you seen how steep the steps are?!) and fully loaded. A bystander lifted 
>> the saddle and I was in. There were two other bikes in the hallway and I 
>> had to put mine against them. But the Backabikes padded the frame and no 
>> paint was chipped. 

Re: [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Valerie Yates]

Ryan - good research! My pbh is 83 and the 55 is perfect for me so I would 
guess a 53 would be great for her 81. 

Joe - you are right. Good thinking. I don't love the albastache although I 
think on some bike, someday, it will be the right bar. I think drop bars 
with brifters are the easiest entry point into drop bar riding. For me, 
Soma Hwy 1 is the most comfortable drop bar. 

Finding a beautiful, used Roadeo is one's size seems like hitting the 
jackpot. And obviously this one has a special pedigree, being from Rich and 
having such cool custom color details. 

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 3:30:47 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The dropbar setup is already on the Albastache cockpit, too. She could 
> start there then switch to drops, easy! 
>
> Joe "nudge nudge wink wink" Bernard 
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:36:41 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> With a different cockpit, I wonder if this would fill Leah's quest for a 
>> drop bar bike. My Roadeo rides like a dream. Per the website, the sizing of 
>> (PBH - 27) worked for me. The red anodizing is very striking. Very nice 
>> bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-6 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> Rich kindly let me ride this Roadeo once and it is not only a beautiful 
>>> bike, but it also rides like a dream.  With the top of the line, color 
>>> matched White Industries hubs and beautiful anodized A23 rims, the bike is 
>>> worth every penny (and more).  I'm happy for the lucky person who gets to 
>>> ride this bike.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:55 AM Rich Lesnik  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing 
>>>> age, it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web 
>>>> page 
>>>> describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant 
>>>> changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as 
>>>> pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).
>>>>
>>>> Some features:
>>>> Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
>>>> White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also 
>>>> anodized red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
>>>> Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex 
>>>> downtube shifter for front.
>>>> I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers, 
>>>> brown shellacked tape.
>>>>
>>>> Asking $2800.
>>>> Rich's 53cm Roadeo 
>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/staff-bikes/richs-53cm-roadeo>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Valerie Yates]

With a different cockpit, I wonder if this would fill Leah's quest for a 
drop bar bike. My Roadeo rides like a dream. Per the website, the sizing of 
(PBH - 27) worked for me. The red anodizing is very striking. Very nice 
bike. 





On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-6 ttoshi wrote:

> Rich kindly let me ride this Roadeo once and it is not only a beautiful 
> bike, but it also rides like a dream.  With the top of the line, color 
> matched White Industries hubs and beautiful anodized A23 rims, the bike is 
> worth every penny (and more).  I'm happy for the lucky person who gets to 
> ride this bike.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:55 AM Rich Lesnik  wrote:
>
>> Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing age, 
>> it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web page 
>> describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant 
>> changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as 
>> pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).
>>
>> Some features:
>> Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
>> White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also anodized 
>> red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
>> Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex 
>> downtube shifter for front.
>> I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers, 
>> brown shellacked tape.
>>
>> Asking $2800.
>> Rich's 53cm Roadeo 
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Valerie Yates]

I have both and consider them very different bikes. With the right tires, 
you can definitely ride your Appa on dirt and trails. It is my choice for 
loaded tours and scenic rides. The Susie has a very different feel to me. 
The tires can go much bigger and somehow its geometry makes me feel much 
more confident taking it on trails with more variable terrain. Downhills 
are a blast. But it is not my ride around town choice. To me, the Susie is 
the ultimate rigid mountain bike. It is big and bouncy and fun. If I could 
only have one, I consider the Appa more versatile. But it is mighty nice to 
have both. If you are on the fence, start taking your Appa on trails for 
now and see if you want a more dirt-oriented bike. 

Best,
Val in Boulder CO 
On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:35:30 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, 
> between the Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and 
> trails—but no crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a 
> Susie or just stick with my Appaloosa.
>
> Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it 
> a better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the 
> Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Valerie Yates]

My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with CLEM 
hubs. 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
before. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:

45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Valerie Yates]

Beautiful! That is a forever bike. I’m impressed by your creativity and 
attention to every detail. I am also curious for your impressions on the 
sizes once you’ve had time to compare.

Val in Boulder, CO 

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:06:30 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> So glad you posted this here, as the Insta vid is so fun. Congratulations!
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:56:58 AM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>
>> What a wonder! Absolutely terrific...and I loved hearing the backstories!
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 6:08 AM ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Love the iridescent bits, the anodizer really nailed it
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:51:27 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When "too much" is "just right." This bike will make you (and anyone 
 who sees it) smile. Who could not smile at the sight on a My Little Platy 
 coming down the road! I hope you have many joyous miles riding, and that 
 some of them are in California so we can see it in person!

 On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes 
> with most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be 
> taken on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings 
> cannot 
> do. I put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel 
> Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL 
> the 
> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. 
> You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of 
> approval. The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my 
> adoration of this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to 
> my simple, happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl 
> (most of your were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could 
> choose from her lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you 
> just came out WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for 
> making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Valerie Yates]

Mary — Thanks! Good luck on your sale. Can’t imagine anyone looking and not 
buying your bike. It is immaculate and the price is quite a deal. I am 
ready to buy if he wants to haggle. 



On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:39:52 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have someone coming tomorrow for it, if he doesn't show I will contact 
> you.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 6:43 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mary — I sent you a private message. I would love to buy this bike 
>> from you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not 
>>> have room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>>>
>>>> For sale:   
>>>>
>>>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>>>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
>>>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>>>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>>>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is 
>>>> included.
>>>> Price: $2750
>>>>
>>>> Parts list includes:
>>>>
>>>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>>>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>>>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>>>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>>>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>>>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>>>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>>>> Albatross HB
>>>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>>>> Tubes
>>>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>>>> Microshift FD R9
>>>> Microshift RD R10
>>>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>>>> Velo Orange Fenders
>>>> Nitto Rear Rack
>>>> Brooks Bar Tape
>>>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>>>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
>>>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>>>> Terry saddle
>>>> Wald basket with basket net
>>>>
>>>> You can contact Mary at:
>>>> mary.f...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Valerie Yates]

Hi Mary — I sent you a private message. I would love to buy this bike from 
you.

Best,
Val in Boulder CO

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not have 
> room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>
>> For sale:   
>>
>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
>> Price: $2750
>>
>> Parts list includes:
>>
>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>> Albatross HB
>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>> Tubes
>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>> Microshift FD R9
>> Microshift RD R10
>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>> Velo Orange Fenders
>> Nitto Rear Rack
>> Brooks Bar Tape
>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>> Terry saddle
>> Wald basket with basket net
>>
>> You can contact Mary at:
>> mary.f...@gmail.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[Valerie Yates]

Jeff — Since the original requester has opted out, I’d love to buy it, if 
it is still available. Will send a pm. 

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 4:00:47 PM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Perfect shape, rode around the block and it's not a good match. Basically 
> new. How about $135?
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 16:13:53 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Condition and price? 
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have one, PM sent

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> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Oops- replied in the same thread. i thought changing the subject line would 
make it into a new one. Guess it doesn't actually matter. 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:07:38 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
>  
> 2013: 
> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>
> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
>> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>>
>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
>>>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
>>>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
>>>> fork.
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
>>>>> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter 
>>>>> fork. 
>>>>> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
>>>>> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
>>>>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
>>>>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
>>>>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
>>>>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>>>>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
>>>>>>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>>>>>>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San 
>>>>>>>>> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
>>>>>>>>> living its 
>>>>>>>>> best life. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
>>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
 larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
 
2013: https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf

2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>
> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
>>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
>>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
>>> fork.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
>>>> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. 
>>>> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
>>>> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
>>>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
>>>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>>>
>>>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
>>>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
>>>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in 
>>>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it 
>>>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>>>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
>>>>>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>>>>>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>>>>>>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its 
>>>>>>>> best 
>>>>>>>> life. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
>>>>>>>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
>>>>>>>> doesn't 
>>>>>>>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
>>>>>>>> one 
>>>>>>>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike g

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
to attach the third bottle holder?





On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
> fork.
>
> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it is 
>> in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. But 
>> the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet with 
>> a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>
>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in 
>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it 
>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't mind. 
>>>>> You don't see too many in the wild!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>>>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>>>>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best 
>>>>>> life. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love 
>>>>>> it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn 
>>>>>> up, 
>>>>>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>>>>>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on 
>>>>>>> a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was 
>>>>>>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>>>>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
>>>>>>> tires 
>>>>>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
>>>>>>> surprise 
>>>>>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and 
>>>>>>> my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem 
>>>>>>> confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't 
>>>>>>> meet 
>>>>>>> their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet 
>>>>>>> clean 
>>>>>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the 
>>>>>>> roadie-culture 
>>>>>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Valerie Yates]

I love it! Gorgeous and functional. So amazing to ride in comfort - a 
criteria seriously underrated where I live. I prefer the freedom of flat 
pedals. 

Val in Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto 32F mini front rack

[Valerie Yates]

Both racks were sold.

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:25:46 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:

> Rack secured, thanks all!
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Val. I just sent you a message.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 2:19:19 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I do. In fact, I have two I've been intending to offer for sale.  $100 
>>> each net to me via paypal or venmo includes shipping in the continental US. 
>>> Shipping elsewhere negotiable. Nuts and bolts not included. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240513_181152653~2.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240513_181201314.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Val in Boulder, CO
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 9:27:05 AM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are hard to come by these days. Does anybody have one they’d be 
>>>> willing to part with?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bones
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Leah- love it! When you buy used, you can pretty much break-even on the 
subsequent resale. It is just a matter of timing liquidity. And you could 
possibly transfer parts over to the new frame, if you like the set-up, and 
sell just the frame. Or decide that lugs aren't crucial. Many possible 
outcomes. Eager to see how it all plays out. 

Doug - love the grips. I saw that demo too but never tried it. Yours look 
terrific. Very striking and fun. 

Sarah - glad you enjoyed the pics.

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:44:07 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the 
> used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And 
> then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t 
> know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real 
> handful! 朗 
>
> Join me,
> Leah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely 
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is SO fun. 
>>>>
>>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>>>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>>>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
>>>> we 
>>>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>>>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>>>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>>>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
>>>> great 
>>>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
>>>> used 
>>>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Me either!
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>>>
>>>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>>>
>>>>> P. W.
>>>>> ~
>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>> ~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Doug - nice looking bike! Sharp and sleek. I love albatross bars. Can we 
see a close up of your grips? Have you posted about them previously? They 
look great.

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> This is a fun thread to follow. Valerie your stable of bikes is so nice! 
> And, I enjoy reading your posts as it's obvious you have so much knowledge 
> to offer. Keep it coming. I just recently bought a Roadini after selling my 
> beloved Clem Smith Jr. I wanted a bicycle more suited for road riding and 
> the Roadini has proven to be just that. I did set it up with Albatross bars 
> for a more upright position. I don't ride in groups so can't say with 
> experience that the Roadini is suited for that endeavor. But, I would say 
> that it is without much reservation.
>
> [image: IMG_0998.JPEG]
> Doug
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely 
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is SO fun. 
>>>>
>>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>>>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>>>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
>>>> we 
>>>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>>>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>>>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>>>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
>>>> great 
>>>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
>>>> used 
>>>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Me either!
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>>>
>>>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>>>
>>>>> P. W.
>>>>> ~
>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>> ~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Philip - Agree

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
Entirely 
comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 

Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
pending, then it depends on price and timing.  


On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>
> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>
> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
> your hella colorful collection
>
> -Brent in chicago
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> This is SO fun. 
>>
>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>> L
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Me either!
>>>
>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>
>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P. W.
>>>> ~
>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>> ~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
>>>> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike 
>>>> and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also 
>>>> indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely 
>>>> in between also! 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to 
>>>>> album <https://photos.app.goo.gl/8eFj66p3qGijaC7t5>

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant 
to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that 
picture says go-fast club rides to me. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>
> [image: IMG_6222]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/8eFj66p3qGijaC7t5>.  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>>
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
>>>> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
>>>>> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
>>>>> what 
>>>>> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
>>>>> me 
>>>>> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
>>>>> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
>>>>> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
>>>>> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
>>>>> info. 
>>>>> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
>>>>> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
>>>>> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
>>>>> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
>>>>> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
>>>>> larger 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - Thanks! ! I love them all. It does feel to me like Grant applied 
some of his hillibike design ideas to a frame that is less stout and more 
flexy for added liveliness and fun on paved rides. I have yet to test them 
but I am fairly confident I can ride and climb faster on the Roadeo. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/8eFj66p3qGijaC7t5>.  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>> [image: Bike Collage.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
>>>> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
>>>>> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
>>>>> what 
>>>>> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
>>>>> me 
>>>>> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
>>>>> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
>>>>> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
>>>>> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
>>>>> info. 
>>>>> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
>>>>> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
>>>>> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
>>>>> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
>>>>> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
>>>>> larger 
>>>>> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>>>>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
>>>>> thats 
>>>>> not a downside it just makes the siz

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

os, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>>>>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>>>>
>>>>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>>>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>>>>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
>>>>> Rivendell 
>>>>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>>>>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>>>>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
>>>>> description 
>>>>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>>>>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. 
>>>>> Keep it coming!
>>>>> L
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the 
>>>>> tire clearance is actually massive!”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source 
>>>>> of inspiration than Will’s:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See also:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> 
>>>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating 
>>>>> @rivbike" 
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==>
>>>>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==>
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P. W.
>>>>> ~
>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>> ~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>>>>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Valerie Yates]

Joe - Thanks for the additional pictures and info.  It is a lovely and 
interesting bike that sounds like a fun ride. I wonder how it compares to 
the upcoming Gallop. I am curious but it is out of my price range at 
present. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hey, I found pics with the 7-spd stuff! 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064218.jpg]
> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064229.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:40:44 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_063907.jpg][image: 
>> Screenshot_20240509_063951.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:16:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Valerie! I'm posting the geometry/tubing mockup Riv sent me which 
>>> hopefully will answer some questions, I still need to get a current photo 
>>> set put together this weekend. 
>>>
>>> The tubing is on the lighter side, I would say somewhere between Roadeo 
>>> and Roadini; I've never ridden a Sam so can't compare to that one. 
>>>
>>> It's long and feels it. At my weight (175 now, closer to 200 for most of 
>>> the time I've owned it) it has a slight suspension-like ride which is 
>>> amazingly comfortable. 
>>>
>>> Saddle height in pics is 69cm. I'll get more information and pics for 
>>> you soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:05:35 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are 
>>>> constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would 
>>>> love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar 
>>>> stem 
>>>> area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I love 
>>>> the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing 
>>>> like 
>>>> Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is it 
>>>> one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in shape 
>>>> to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart 
>>>> from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel 
>>>> like 
>>>> to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I 
>>>> wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently filled 
>>>> by a 53 Atlantis, old style). 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the 
>>>>> custom. Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard 
>>>>> decisions. So, no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a 
>>>>> motorcycle! I love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have 
>>>>>> to listen to it ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you ride it, it's a custom.
>>>>>> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
>>>>>> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting 
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers -mathias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill, 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
>>>>>>> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem 
>>>>>>> would 
>>>>>>> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it 
>>>>>>> would be 
>>>>>>> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 
>>>>>>> what 
>>>>>>> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
>>>>>>> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind 
>>>>>>>> and sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A 
>>>>>>>> Rivendell custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  
>>>>>>>> A 
>>>>>>>> Clem is fungible.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

 
Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I will take some pictures tomorrow. Maybe seeing them next to each other 
will show how different they are. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:00:41 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I agree with Philip.
>
> The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very 
> different bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction 
> for road bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better 
> alternative to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the 
> sense that it is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire 
> roads or trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
> necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
> titanium bikes. 
>
> The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
> equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
> Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
> only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
> It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
> design intention. 
>
> You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  
>
> . 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
>> five-minute ride report is thus:
>>
>> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
>> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
>> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
>> would be that.
>>
>> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
>> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
>> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>>
>> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>>
>> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>>
>> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>>
>> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
>> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie, 
>> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road 
>> rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way 
>> than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had 
>> thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>>
>> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
>> and it is FUN.
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
>> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
>> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
>> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
>> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
>> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
>> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could 
>> find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike 
>> feels super similar to my Roadeo. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it 
>>> feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that 
>>> far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not 
>>> fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>>> rides has those pedals.
>>>
>>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. 
>>> There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. 
>>> I’ll report back tomorrow!
>>>
>>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>>> swept-back bars?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I agree with Philip.

The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very different 
bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction for road 
bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better alternative 
to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the sense that it 
is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire roads or 
trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
titanium bikes. 

The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
design intention. 

You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  

. 


On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
> five-minute ride report is thus:
>
> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
> would be that.
>
> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>
> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>
> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>
> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>
> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie, 
> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides 
> than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than 
> the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it 
> was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>
> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
> and it is FUN.
> L
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find 
> a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels 
> super similar to my Roadeo. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
>> like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
>> (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
>> hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>> rides has those pedals.
>>
>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s 
>> a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll 
>> report back tomorrow!
>>
>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>> swept-back bars?
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
>>> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
>>> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
>>> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
>>> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
>>> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
>>> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice th

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a 
used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels 
super similar to my Roadeo. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
> like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
> (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
> hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
> rides has those pedals.
>
> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s 
> a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll 
> report back tomorrow!
>
> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
> swept-back bars?
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
>> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
>> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
>> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
>> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
>> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
>> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
>> suited to one vs the other. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
>>> watch other people build theirs LEAH!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and 
>>>>>> many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars 
>>>>>> when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding 
>>>>>> phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, 
>>>>>> CO 
>>>>>> and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local 
>>>>>> routes. 
>>>>>> But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a 
>>>>>> few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a 
>>>>>> trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own 
>>>>>> pace. 
>>>>>> I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any 
>>>>>> expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, 
>>>>>> started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and 
>>>>>> offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, 
>>>>>> fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if 
>>>>>> that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>>>>>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant 
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Valerie Yates]

Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are 
constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would 
love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar stem 
area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I love 
the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing like 
Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is it 
one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in shape 
to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart 
from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel like 
to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I 
wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently filled 
by a 53 Atlantis, old style). 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the custom. 
> Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard decisions. So, 
> no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a motorcycle! I 
> love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have to 
>> listen to it ;)
>>
>> When you ride it, it's a custom.
>> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>>
>> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
>> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting 
>> there.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
>>> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
>>> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
>>> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
>>> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
>>> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
>>> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and 
 sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell 
 custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is 
 fungible.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
>> others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>
>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
>> was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
>> also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
>> club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
>> introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
>> with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
>> HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
>> the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
>> of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
>> doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
>> across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
>> supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
>> interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>
>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>
>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to 
>> the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike 
>> I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
>> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
>> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
>> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
>> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
>> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>>
>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
>> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
>> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
>> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
>> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
>>> privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
>>> RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
>>> was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
>>> incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
>>> subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
>>> acquainted! 
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
>>> really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
>>> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
>>> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
>>> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
>>> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
>>> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
>>> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.
>>>
>>> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
>>> your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for this thread!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bar

[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[Valerie Yates]

Wow! Very vivid snake. Amazed it got in and out without injury. Awesome 
photos. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:29:45 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Good story Allan! Grant would appreciate this. He occasionally posts snake 
> pictures in his BLAHG.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-4 Allan McLane wrote:
>
>> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>>
>> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
>> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
>> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
>> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
>> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
>> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
>> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>>
>> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
>> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
>> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>>
>> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
>> 
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 

I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
interests you or anyone else reading this. 

My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.

To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to 
the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike 
I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   

The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the Gallop 
seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less concern 
about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more playful, 
all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I do with 
the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance could 
surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and a 
great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the privilege 
> to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a RivSister with a 
> wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It was oddly like 
> reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of incorporating a new bike 
> into your collection and using it for certain subsets of rides. If you two 
> don’t know each other I think you should get acquainted! 
>
> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
> really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.
>
> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
> your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?
>
> Thanks again for this thread!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>>
>> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
>> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how 
>> they perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do 
>> - whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
>> short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
>> people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
>> for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
>> bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
>> relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
>> or repurpos

[RBW] For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
Charlie? 


*What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how they 
perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do - 
whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
or repurposed. It is a fun game. 

When the Gallop demo was for sale, I had just discovered what an 
unbelievable blast the Gus is on bumpy dirt rides (so fun! so liberating!) 
and was curious about the effect of the swoopy top tube and longer 
wheel-base on a road-oriented bike. Also, it is purple. 

*Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? *
The bike came with albastache bars which I always try to like, but I never 
do. Hard to explain, but the bars felt too skinny to my hands for such a 
rounded, plush bike. I think drop bars would work well with the right stem 
height and reach. I have 4 drop-bar bikes so I didn't want to move it in 
that direction. I had on-hand a bosco-moose bar so I swapped over to that 
one. I love it. I have such a great view while riding and supreme comfort 
climbing and descending.   

*Do you find it to be quick and lively?*
It is lively! I don't know about quick. I haven't ridden it with 
garmin/strava going so I can't compare my speeds to other bikes. It is very 
fun to ride. It is the kind of bike that inspires me to pedal a bit faster 
because I feel the energy go right into your motion. It puts a big smile on 
my face. I have it set up with a triple so I have a huge range of gears, 
which helps in my very hilly neighborhood. It likes to climb. I don't know 
if I am going fast (likely not) but it is not hard. It is far more 
responsive and nimble than my Clem H, which I sold. That was a tank. This 
is like a rowing scull, easy to bring up to speed and to plane in rhythm 
with the bike. It sails down hills. It feels like it disappears under me. 
It is weird because it is not the lightest bike I have. 

I think having wide tires helps because they mitigate all the road texture. 
I switched from the Soma Shikoro tires that came with it to Schwalbe G-One 
Speed TLE in size 50.  The Soma's were fine but the Schwalbe's feel more 
plush.  Like I'm riding a Rolls Royce. Well, what I imagine a Rolls would 
be like. 


*Have you ridden it on a club ride? *
I no longer do club rides. I don't know if this is the bike I would choose 
for riding with my go-fast friends and family. I am more of an all-day pace 
rider so when I am riding with faster people and trying not to hold them 
up, I tend to choose my Roadeo. It fits in better with the roadie riders in 
my area. The Roadeo is also the bike I choose when challenging myself on 
steep, paved climbing, like Vail pass, because it is lighter. I think it 
would be really fun to take the Gallop up Vail pass if I were going by 
myself but I don't know that I'd be keeping up with anyone. I have to ride 
the Gallop more to assess my speed on it.  I get the impression that the 
Roadini is more comparable to the Roadeo than my Gallop would be. It also 
sounds like the production Gallop may have slightly different ride 
characteristics from the version I have. And while I love my Roadeo 
for what it enables me to do, I think I smile more on the Gallop. 

Hope that helps! Happy to answer any other questions. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an 
improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was 
excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. 
That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its 
performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  

Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:55:16 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see 
> what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right 
> for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for 
> what I was trying to do. 
>
> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
>> swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>> that's why this reviewer 
>> <https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/>
>>  
>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>> on it. 
>>
>>
>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
>>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
>>>> one once they become available. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>>>> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>>>
>>>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>>>>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug, 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
>>>>>>> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
>>>>>>> birthday) 
>>>>>>> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
>>>>>>> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
>>>>>>> one 
>>>>>>> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>
>

[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Valerie Yates]

I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
that's why this reviewer 
 
complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
on it. 

When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
 Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
>> one once they become available. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>>> something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>
>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
 something. Like, during riding season!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
> birthday) 
> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
> one 
> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
>> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace 
>> the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. I 
>> appreciate 
>> the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my 
>> solid 
>> Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
>> think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
>> for 
>> the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Heron Touring frame, fork, headset

[Valerie Yates]

Beautiful color! I am not in the market but curious what the standover is 
for this frame. Or what PBH range it fits 

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-6 Igor wrote:

> Help me make room for a Hillborne and/or Roaduno :D
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 11:44:26 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>
>> TT: 56.5cm Head tube angle: 72 degrees Seat tube angle: 72.5 degrees 
>> Rake: 5 degrees BB Drop: 8cm Chain Stay: 45.5cm 100mm / 135mm spacing. 
>> Plenty of braze ons for fenders and racks. Three bottle cage mounts. 
>> Integrated rear brake hanger, or use V-brakes! For 700c wheels. I ran 32mm 
>> with fenders, but the frame has clearance for a slick 40 (or an undersized 
>> 40 knobby) 
>> Photos: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/195592952@N03/albums/72177720316657401
>>
>> $850 shipped plz
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Valerie Yates]

51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by the 
surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html


On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>  
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>>
>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was John's 
>>> bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history heavy 
>>> description.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>>>
 Saluki here: 
 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Time for a new FS thread?
>
> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
> member here might be interested: 
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>
> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
> been repainted by D Cycles.
>
> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>
> No connection to the seller.
>
> Max
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[RBW] Re: FS 53 Susie Longbolts

[Valerie Yates]

I'm surprised this hasn't sold. I had been watching and waiting since they 
were announced for a medium to come up for sale used. I finally found one 
locally earlier this summer. Like my Gus, it is a wildly fun bike to ride. 
I am almost tempted to have multiple Susie's with different set-ups but 
really someone else should buy this and see what it is like.  Maybe if you 
created a google or flikr photo album, people would have more chance to see 
it in detail and appreciate it. 



On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:10:07 PM UTC-6 Andrew Huston wrote:

> Bump on this. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:30:06 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:43:18 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> Really a wonderful bike but I continually find I need to explore new 
>>> bikes. Its my hobby, what can I say?
>>> Beautiful gold Susie with a nice build is on the block. 
>>> Velocity Cliffhanger rims laced to Deore hubs, Terravail Ehline 2.5 tan 
>>> wall
>>> Deore 11 speed RD, shifter, and cassette
>>> Middleburn crank 36T ring
>>> Kalloy post
>>> Velo Orange Siene bars with a Jim stem 80mm
>>> Also have a set of Rambler bars 
>>>
>>> Looking for $2700 plus packing and shipping cost. Located in Michigan. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will add photos when I get to my personal computer otherwise shoot me 
>>> an email or text and I can get those to you. 
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> 810-841-4396 <(810)%20841-4396>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

[Valerie Yates]

Love the report and love my Gus. It is crazy good fun climbing and 
descending dirt fire roads. My handling on rough terrain is so much more 
confident than on any other bike. I don't understand it. It is a big, long, 
and heavy bike but it flies. 

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:56:01 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim, what I meant to say is that I have no desire to ride any other 
> handlebar than Bosco’s. Both of my bikes have Bosco’s.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:11 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thank-you very much for sharing Richard. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your 
> ride report. I am glad that you had a good time. I really enjoyed reading 
> your feedback on riding your Gus and finding that pure joyful feeling when 
> you find your comfort zone to bring you big smiles. 
>
> What front derailleur are you running on your Gus ?
>
> You do not like to riding with Bosco handlebars no more ?  What bars are 
> you using on your Gus ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:01:40 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working 
>> out so well for you to complement the Clem!
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds 
>>> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about. 
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
 adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
 invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
 Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
 riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to 
 our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill 
 paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on 
 arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our 
 host's 
 Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful 
 meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - 
 choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I 
 joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this 
 gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through 
 beautiful 
 rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my 
 favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice 
 mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful 
 blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are 
 tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks 
 had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, 
 frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog 
 playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star 
 filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann 
 Arbor 
 was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more 
 spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got 
 giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit 
 loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles 
 entering 
 Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is 
 really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my 
 estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that 
 awful 
 team "up north".:)
 I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My 
 mind was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has 
 the 
 smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the 
 hills. 
 I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the 
 Gus 
 is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a 
 bad 
 decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
 unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
 bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is 
 a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply 
 disappears 
 when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a 
 joy 
 to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, 
 I 
 may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
 All in all a really great experience that I look forward to 

[RBW] Re: Seat angle

[Valerie Yates]

J -- same here. It looks funny (especially in pictures) but is much more 
comfortable and stable feeling to have the nose pointed slightly upward. 
Not true of other saddles. 

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-6 J wrote:

> I've also found that as a Brooks breaks in/softens up, I need to tilt it 
> up a bit more to maintain riding position/comfortable pelvic tilt. I don't 
> ride upright. I'm sure it varies for everyone
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:30:13 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> Tilting the nose up prevents sliding forward when you're riding upright 
>> bars. 
>>
>> It feels the same as an English equestrian saddle, once you get the hang 
>> of it. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.allpony.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/PartsSaddle2Web-1024x889.png
>>
>> John in Portland
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> brooks saddles have a bit of a curvature due to the shape of the leather 
>>> and frame. In my experience, when you sit in a more upright position your 
>>> sit bones sit further back on on the wider area of the saddle. Due to the 
>>> hammock shape of the saddle you nose it up a touch to maintain a somewhat 
>>> flat seat position to avoid slipping forward. 
>>>
>>> not this way for everyone - there's variables like pelvic tilt, bike 
>>> fit, core strength, and general preference. But a lot of people using b17's 
>>> on relaxed bikes tend to nose up. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-7 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I was watching the Asheville video- looks like a great event. I’m sure 
 we could lure 10’s to the DesMoines metro some  weekend for a ride. :-) 
 Corn and beans are a pretty sight you know….

 Anyhow- my mind wondered to the range (one?) of nose up  brooks saddles 
 in pictures. What am I not understanding? No judgement. Could I make that 
 work? When working with friends that are new riders- they seem to want to 
 have a too high of a saddle height and tilt it down. 

 Comments or feedback from those that nose up works for? 

 Killing time as a passenger traveling to a Shriner’s event. 

 Rich
 In DSM

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Legolas 54 FFHS - back on the market!

[Valerie Yates]

Legolas is sold! Pending packing and shipping, it should be on its way next 
week. I am delighted it is going to a listmember. I hope to see pics and 
read updates from time to time. 

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Thank God this is too small for me. Legolas is one of my Holy Grail bikes.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 10, 2023, at 2:27 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Hi all. The Legolas is still available. I'm happy to sell it either 
> complete or just the frame/fork and whatever parts you may want. How about 
> $1600 for frame, fork, headset, and bottom bracket or $2500 complete as 
> shown with Campy Centaur 10 speed and Rene Herse randonneur bars and 
> Steilacoom tires. If you prefer, I can swap with a longer stem and noodle 
> handlebars.  I will pay for packing and buyer pays shipping. It is very 
> lightweight and Bike Flights has great rates on ground shipping. It is a 
> sweet bike and the yellow is so summery! 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Were you sad you missed out on the lightning fast sale of my beautiful, 
>> yellow Legolas?  Through no fault of its own, it is back on the market. The 
>> buyer had a turn of events that made it the wrong time to be buying a bike 
>> so I refunded his payment. I was excited for the sale because he was 
>> actually planning to race it. I'm copying my original message below with 
>> the details of sale.  Let me know if you are interested. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
>> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.
>>
>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and 
>> I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 
>> stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
>> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>>
>> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
>> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
>> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
>> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
>> is not the frame for you.
>>
>> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
>> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
>> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
>> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
>> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>>
>> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Valerie Yates]

I am not in the market for a Roadini but I love reading all these stories 
and comparisons. Very fun topic. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:46:37 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
> hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>>
>>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]

 I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
 with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
 light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
 comfy. 
 I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
 bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
 geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
 annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
 a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
 be 
 lighter/flexier/zippier. 
 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you 
> aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
> say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
> been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>> and 
>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>> my 
>> only bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>> group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
>> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
>> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS - back on the market!

[Valerie Yates]

Hi all. The Legolas is still available. I'm happy to sell it either 
complete or just the frame/fork and whatever parts you may want. How about 
$1600 for frame, fork, headset, and bottom bracket or $2500 complete as 
shown with Campy Centaur 10 speed and Rene Herse randonneur bars and 
Steilacoom tires. If you prefer, I can swap with a longer stem and noodle 
handlebars.  I will pay for packing and buyer pays shipping. It is very 
lightweight and Bike Flights has great rates on ground shipping. It is a 
sweet bike and the yellow is so summery! 






On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Were you sad you missed out on the lightning fast sale of my beautiful, 
> yellow Legolas?  Through no fault of its own, it is back on the market. The 
> buyer had a turn of events that made it the wrong time to be buying a bike 
> so I refunded his payment. I was excited for the sale because he was 
> actually planning to race it. I'm copying my original message below with 
> the details of sale.  Let me know if you are interested. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.
>
> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
> used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
> on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>
> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
> is not the frame for you.
>
> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>
> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>

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[RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Valerie Yates]

I would sell a bike whose geometry (or any other aspect) annoys me because 
someone else may really love it. I finally got hold of a Susie and it feels 
different from the Clem H that I sold but may be less so compared to a Clem 
L. It is fun to speculate but not if it gets in the way of enjoying bikes 
you love. 

Best,

Val in Boulder CO

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 8:18:01 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> The MB-1 was designed as an uncompromising racer so the geometry is 
> deliberately aggressive. Fantastic piece of equipment though with that 
> wonderful Tange Prestige frame. Yours looks to be mostly original with the 
> exception of the rims?
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Lee,
>>
>> I will share our experiences: we bought his/her 90's era Trek 930 ATBs 
>> during the pandemic as project bikes.  They both had close-to-level top 
>> tubes, much like your MB-1.  I ended up buying a pair of 
>> threaded-to-threadless stem adapters and then installing shorter (and 
>> upright) threadless stems to both raise and shorten the reach.  Be advised 
>> the specific Treks we had required a slightly larger diameter adapter vs. 
>> the more common 22.2mm (quill) diameter.  Measure your existing quill stem 
>> and perhaps order the appropriate sized adapter.  The adapters use the 
>> almost standard 9/8" diameter size to attach threadless stems.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:42:44 PM UTC-4 Lee T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I've had this MB-1 since 2007 when I lived in the desert in California. 
>>> I'm its second owner. I don't ride it very much and it's taking up a lot of 
>>> space in my studio apartment, lol. I wanted a Susie Longbolts but couldn't 
>>> afford it, and purchased a lovely Clem "L" large off this list a year ago 
>>> and really love it. I also have a Bianchi San Jose singlespeed 58cm already.
>>>
>>> My MB-1s a 50cm and the geometry really annoys me. I have to lean way 
>>> too far over to reach the handlebars, plus i wonder if the frame is too 
>>> small. I mostly do singletrack on my Clem with 2.3 Thunder Burt tires. I 
>>> live in Brooklyn so it's hard to find as many mountain bike opportunities 
>>> anyway beyond stealth city park biking. 
>>>
>>> I coveted the Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone but wonder how different 
>>> it would really be from my Clem. In any case, I've been trying to figure 
>>> out if I should just sell the MB-1 or if I should get some north road bars 
>>> or something and try those? As far as I know, I have almost all the 
>>> original parts on the bike minus the seat, so maybe I should sell this to 
>>> someone for whom this is their dream bike and just be thankful I have two 
>>> nice bikes already? Not sure!
>>>
>>> Thanks for any opinions.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: Legolas 54 FFHS - back on the market!

[Valerie Yates]

Were you sad you missed out on the lightning fast sale of my beautiful, 
yellow Legolas?  Through no fault of its own, it is back on the market. The 
buyer had a turn of events that made it the wrong time to be buying a bike 
so I refunded his payment. I was excited for the sale because he was 
actually planning to race it. I'm copying my original message below with 
the details of sale.  Let me know if you are interested. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.

Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.

It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an issue 
only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not apparent 
at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this is not 
the frame for you.

Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.

Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.

Best,
Val in Boulder CO

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Valerie Yates]

For me, when in doubt, try Albatross. Other bars can be hit or miss for me 
on different frames. The albatross never disappoints me. I just switched my 
Joe to from Chocomoose to albatross and they feel terrific - free and easy. 
 

I don’t see a benefit in using a really short stem to maintain drop bars on 
a Joe. 

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 8:23:52 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My limited experience with these bikes is that it's probably best to set 
> them up the way they were designed. That reach is such an important factor 
> in the comfort of a bike. I've been considering Joes and Sams and 
> Altantises a lot lately, and if I were to choose a Joe, it would definitely 
> have either Toscos or Billie bars. I can never imagine my Gus being 
> comfortable with anything other than upright, swept-back bars (like my 
> Toscos with a 110 stem), because the reach on the frame is so long. 
> Even classic models like the Atlantis and the Homer have changed so much 
> with the extended stays and longer reaches, that I feel like you see less 
> and less of these newer models with drops these days. Of course, there's 
> many different body types and styles of riding to factor into it, so to 
> each their own. Personally, I can't see myself owning another Rivendell 
> with drop bars unless it was an older, more traditionally designed model.
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:08 AM Ted W  wrote:
>
>> Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
>> today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
>> ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
>> nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
>> channel the wisdom of the group.
>>
>> Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
>> However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
>> with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's about 
>> half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
>> to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where my 
>> question starts:
>>
>> Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
>> give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
>> with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
>> on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
>> be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I was 
>> thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
>> similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. I'm 
>> probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
>> y'all think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- 
>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

Love that!! And your adorable dog clearly does too. I used to think that's 
where we were headed. With his recent vestibular issues, I don't think my 
dog would appreciate it. It is like having vertigo. He has regained enough 
balance to enjoy our neighborhood walks but a quick shake of his head and 
he can fall right over. He's even become anxious in the car -- which never 
used to be an issue. I do think my younger, smaller dog would enjoy that 
someday (that I cannot begin to think about).  

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-6 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> You could always bring him… (see attached video)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:10 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> One more thing occurred to me. I've been spending huge amounts of time in 
>> my back patio with my sweet old dog, who is now 14, very arthritic, and 
>> just had a bout of vestibular disease. Because I want to hang with him, I 
>> haven't had as much time for riding. Instead, this has been an ideal time 
>> to evaluate my assorted bikes and think about which ones I am most looking 
>> forward to riding in the future. Has been clarifying. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Good questions!
>>>
>>> I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great 
>>> ones over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling 
>>> one when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
>>> Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
>>> much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
>>> for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
>>> I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
>>> of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
>>> higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 
>>>
>>> More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up 
>>> rugged dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've 
>>> been enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought 
>>> one of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is 
>>> crazy fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast 
>>> descending. Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I 
>>> don't always need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike 
>>> as light and racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I 
>>> am more of a turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the 
>>> Clem (which I recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so 
>>> I decided to sell the Legolas to make room for her. 
>>>
>>> I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
>>> super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
>>> takes its place. 
>>>
>>> I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
>>> smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
>>> road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
>>> tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
>>> it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
>>> road bike -- than the Legolas. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!
>>>>
>>>> Questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
>>>> bicycles?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
>>>> Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
>>>> acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
>>>> more-or-less similar builds?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
>>>>> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am offering for sal

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

One more thing occurred to me. I've been spending huge amounts of time in 
my back patio with my sweet old dog, who is now 14, very arthritic, and 
just had a bout of vestibular disease. Because I want to hang with him, I 
haven't had as much time for riding. Instead, this has been an ideal time 
to evaluate my assorted bikes and think about which ones I am most looking 
forward to riding in the future. Has been clarifying. 



On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Good questions!
>
> I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great 
> ones over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling 
> one when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
> Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
> much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
> for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
> I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
> of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
> higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 
>
> More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up rugged 
> dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've been 
> enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought one 
> of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is crazy 
> fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast descending. 
> Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I don't always 
> need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike as light and 
> racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I am more of a 
> turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the Clem (which I 
> recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so I decided to 
> sell the Legolas to make room for her. 
>
> I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
> super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
> takes its place. 
>
> I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
> smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
> road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
> tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
> it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
> road bike -- than the Legolas. 
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
>> bicycles?
>>
>> 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
>> Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
>> acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
>> more-or-less similar builds?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
>>> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
>>>> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
>>>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
>>>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
>>>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
>>>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.
>>>>
>>>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH 
>>>> and I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 
>>>> 110 stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 
>>>> 700c wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>>>>
>>>> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on 
>>>> the seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is 
>>>> an issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
>>>> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, 
>>>> this 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

Good questions!

I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great ones 
over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling one 
when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 

More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up rugged 
dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've been 
enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought one 
of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is crazy 
fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast descending. 
Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I don't always 
need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike as light and 
racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I am more of a 
turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the Clem (which I 
recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so I decided to 
sell the Legolas to make room for her. 

I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
takes its place. 

I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
road bike -- than the Legolas. 

 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
> bicycles?
>
> 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
> Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
> acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
> more-or-less similar builds?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
>> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
>>> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
>>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
>>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
>>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
>>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.
>>>
>>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and 
>>> I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 
>>> stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
>>> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>>>
>>> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
>>> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
>>> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
>>> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
>>> is not the frame for you.
>>>
>>> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
>>> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
>>> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
>>> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
>>> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>>>
>>> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Val in Boulder CO
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PHzW1pwmzJvZwcn67>.
>
> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
> used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
> on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>
> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
> is not the frame for you.
>
> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>
> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
>

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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Valerie Yates]

Lovely! Very discreet. I have a version of that bell sitting very 
indiscreetly on top of my stem. I am going to relocate as you have shown to 
see how it feels to ding from there. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly 
> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story 
> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>
> Jock
>
> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
.

Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.

It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an issue 
only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not apparent 
at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this is not 
the frame for you.

Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.

Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.

Best,
Val in Boulder CO

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[RBW] Re: FS: (2) 60cm Rivendell Platypus complete bikes

[Valerie Yates]

You have a ton of really nice parts on these bikes. From watching and 
participating in rehoming bikes (buying and selling), you might want to 
consider splitting it up and offering the components and extras separate 
from the frames. Lots of people have their own collections of spare parts 
they want to use and many people may want some of the very nice things on 
the bike — but not the whole bike complete. Rather than adding items to 
make the sale price as a complete, I suspect you’d get more overall if you 
sold everything separately. My two cents, for what it is worth. 

Best wishes on your adventure,

Val in Boulder CO 

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 6:01:43 PM UTC-6 jaredwilson wrote:

> Ok,
>
>  Fielded some trade interest but nothing that fits the bill, so lets make 
> an amendment...
>
> Now included, (1) per bike:
>
> Schmidt Edelux II light
> VO Mojave bottle cage
> Rivendell "Shiny" rear rack
> Crane Bell
>
> Let's talk!
>
> Jared
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 2:00:01 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Hey group,
>>
>>
>>
>> With life ever-changing my wife and I are putting our (2) 60cm Platypus 
>> bicycles up for sale. We’re going to be nomadic for the foreseeable future 
>> and need less valuable bikes (we’ll see how that plays out, lol) with 
>> emphasis on shorter wheelbases for ease of transit and storage.
>>
>>
>> Through our wheeling and dealing over the years we wound up with these 
>> two beautiful 60cm Mermaid Platypus bikes, with consecutive serial numbers 
>> no less! It was a complete fluke how that played out and I still can’t 
>> believe it, but sure enough these bikes are 1 number apart. They were both 
>> purchased from the original owners and are in great condition, ready for 
>> new ownership :)
>>
>>
>> Ari’s:
>>
>>
>> 2021 60cm Mermaid Platypus, Serial Number M20114408
>>
>> Originally Riv-built by James, some things changed but most remain
>>
>> Stock FSA Headset
>>
>> Nitto/Rivendell Boscomoose fillet brazed handlebars (dutch grips need 
>> replaced)
>>
>> Shimano DXR brake levers
>>
>> Silver2 thumb shifters
>>
>> Shimano DXR V-brakes
>>
>> Silver 173mm double crankset
>>
>> Stock bottom bracket
>>
>> Campagnolo Centaur FD
>>
>> Shimano Deore RD
>>
>> Rich built Velocity Cliffhanger 700c wheels 32/36h
>>
>> Shimano 3n72 dynamo hub
>>
>> Deore rear hub
>>
>> Shimano HG 12-36 rear cassette
>>
>> Schwalbe Thunderburt 29x2.1 tires set up tubeless
>>
>> Stock seat post
>>
>> Brooks B67S saddle
>>
>>
>> Price: $3,200
>>
>>
>> Ariel's Platypus Photos 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Jared’s:
>>
>>
>> 2021 60cm Mermaid Platypus, Serial Number M20114407
>>
>> Original owner *Hi, Mack!* purchased as frame set
>>
>> Stock FSA Headset
>>
>> Nitto 58cm Alu Bosco bars
>>
>> Nitto Faceplater 110mm stem with Simworks cap
>>
>> Paul Love Levers
>>
>> Suntour Barcon shifters
>>
>> Shimano Deore V-brakes
>>
>> White Industries/Sugino triple crankset, 175mm, 42/36/24
>>
>> Stock bottom bracket
>>
>> Shimano XT FD
>>
>> Shimano Deore LX rapid rise RD
>>
>> Velocity Cliffhanger 700c rims 32h
>>
>> Sapim Force Spokes with brass nipples
>>
>> Son Deluxe Widebody dynamo hub
>>
>> White Industries MI5 rear hub
>>
>> Jims 7 speed 11-36 cassette
>>
>> Salsa skewers
>>
>> Panaracer Gravelking SK 700x50 tires set up with tubes
>>
>> Nitto S83 seat post, black Cerakote from Analog
>>
>> Brooks B67 saddle
>>
>>
>> Price: $3,500
>>
>>
>> Jared's Platypus Photos 
>> 
>>
>>
>> No pedals, racks, lights, bells, or bottle cages included with either 
>> purchase.
>>
>>
>> Prefer local sales in CA, can deliver within reason. If shipped, buyer 
>> pays all associated fees, Zelle payment only.
>>
>>
>> POSSIBLE TRADES+CASH
>>
>>
>> For hers: Have an early Heron touring for someone with a 86cm PBH? Let’s 
>> chat! 
>>
>>
>> For his? How about a 58cm Ebisu All Purpose? Rivendell Allrounder? 
>> Saluki? Atlantis 2? Heron touring? Heck, maybe even a 93 X0-1? Send a DM!
>>
>>
>> If you’re interested in either or both please contact me off list.
>>
>>
>> Thanks and have a beautiful week :)
>>
>>
>> Jared and Ariel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

John — thanks for these links. The added struts could make it work in my 
setup. . . 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:36:29 AM UTC-6 John Johnson wrote:

> Hi Valerie,
>
> Derail away! 
>
> Here's the link the the support struts on Carradice's site: 
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/accessories/bagman-support-struts/?v=11aedd0e4327
>
> Of course, I got them because the bag kept rubbing on the rear tire. The 
> struts stabilize the bagman rack enough to keep it from rubbing when your 
> bike hits a bump, etc. but the bag could still rub depending on how things 
> inside shifted around during the ride. To solve this, I added a little 
> plastic bridge held on with zip ties (has worked fine for 3 years now) to 
> keep the cloth from the bag from dipping down. 
>
> All said and done, the classic saddle rack (not the bagman, but this one: 
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/accessories/saddle-bag-rack/?v=11aedd0e4327) 
> works much better and is easier to take on and off. And fenders are also 
> another solution (I have another bagman on different bike, and never have 
> any rubbing because that bike has fenders). 
>
> cheers,
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

Frame is sold! Very happy to have it go to a list member and a former Clem 
owner. I know it will be appreciated and enjoyed. 

I will follow up on the other bits after I evaluate whether there are any 
swaps I want to make with my remaining bikes. . .  
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:34 AM UTC-6 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Val,
>
> Sent you an email yesterday - just didn’t want to post everything 
> publicly.  I’m certainly interested in the Clem H.
>
> Guy
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
>> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
>> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
>> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
>> Shimano Claris front derailleur
>> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
>> Clem stock seat-post
>> Kickstand
>> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>>
>> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
>> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
>> Boulder CO.  
>>
>> More pictures here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/rt7b5Jc9NdEY2ka89>
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>>
>> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
>> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>>
>> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>>
>> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
>> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>>
>> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
>> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
>> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>>
>> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>>
>> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>>
>> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

John — that looks great! I am curious about your bag support. I think I 
have that same one but it never seemed to fit. Even on yours, it comes so 
close to the wheel. I think that’s why it landed in my to be sold bin. Mine 
did not come with the additional supports in the rear. Do you have a link 
to it or picture so I can see how it works more clearly? (Am I allowed to 
derail my own conversation?  )

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:24:02 PM UTC-6 John Johnson wrote:

> I had a 45cm H single speeded with a singulator..
> It was great. 
> [image: 20201104_135251.jpg]
>
> - John
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC+2 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Doug — That would be a sweet pair to have. There have been a few 
>> discussions re single-speeding the Clem H. Here’s one. 
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/C118VYNpn7M/m/dAjjFyl7AAAJ>  
>> Looks good and sounds enjoyable. As much as I want to downsize, I do love 
>> my  bikes. They are so fun and versatile. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:15:55 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie,
>>> That color is so nice and I love the curved seat stays. I am really 
>>> tempted as then I would have both the L and H versions of the venerable 
>>> Clem. Someone will be getting a somewhat rare Clem H in pristine condition. 
>>> I wonder how this would ride as a single speed? 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 9:38:34 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> I forgot to mention that this frame size has 650b wheels. It is 
>>>> currently shown with size 50-584 (aka 27.5 x 2.00) tires but it has plenty 
>>>> of space for a larger tire. The tire size as shown is limited by the Axa 
>>>> frame lock, which is convenient but not necessary and can be removed. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for 
>>>>> sale my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, 
>>>>> headset & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
>>>>> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
>>>>> Shimano Claris front derailleur
>>>>> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
>>>>> Clem stock seat-post
>>>>> Kickstand
>>>>> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>>>>>
>>>>> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for 
>>>>> shipping and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> or near Boulder CO.  
>>>>>
>>>>> More pictures here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/rt7b5Jc9NdEY2ka89>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want 
>>>>> them, open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>>>>>
>>>>> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, 
>>>>> Clem hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork 
>>>>> grips, Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and 
>>>>> Nitto (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>>>>>
>>>>> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>>>>>
>>>>> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>>>>>
>>>>> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Val in Boulder CO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

Doug — That would be a sweet pair to have. There have been a few 
discussions re single-speeding the Clem H. Here’s one. 
<https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/C118VYNpn7M/m/dAjjFyl7AAAJ>  
Looks good and sounds enjoyable. As much as I want to downsize, I do love 
my  bikes. They are so fun and versatile. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:15:55 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Valerie,
> That color is so nice and I love the curved seat stays. I am really 
> tempted as then I would have both the L and H versions of the venerable 
> Clem. Someone will be getting a somewhat rare Clem H in pristine condition. 
> I wonder how this would ride as a single speed? 
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 9:38:34 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I forgot to mention that this frame size has 650b wheels. It is currently 
>> shown with size 50-584 (aka 27.5 x 2.00) tires but it has plenty of space 
>> for a larger tire. The tire size as shown is limited by the Axa frame lock, 
>> which is convenient but not necessary and can be removed. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for 
>>> sale my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, 
>>> headset & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
>>> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
>>> Shimano Claris front derailleur
>>> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
>>> Clem stock seat-post
>>> Kickstand
>>> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>>>
>>> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for 
>>> shipping and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in 
>>> or near Boulder CO.  
>>>
>>> More pictures here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/rt7b5Jc9NdEY2ka89>
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>>>
>>> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
>>> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>>>
>>> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>>>
>>> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
>>> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>>>
>>> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
>>> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
>>> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>>>
>>> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>>>
>>> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>>>
>>> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Val in Boulder CO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

I forgot to mention that this frame size has 650b wheels. It is currently 
shown with size 50-584 (aka 27.5 x 2.00) tires but it has plenty of space 
for a larger tire. The tire size as shown is limited by the Axa frame lock, 
which is convenient but not necessary and can be removed. 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
> Shimano Claris front derailleur
> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
> Clem stock seat-post
> Kickstand
> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>
> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
> Boulder CO.  
>
> More pictures here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/rt7b5Jc9NdEY2ka89>
>
> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>
> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>
> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>
> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>
> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>
> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>
> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>
> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>
> Best,
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Bubbe 51 Partial or Complete

[Valerie Yates]

Excellent point, Joe! Thanks. I happen to have a 2016 Appaloosa 51 to 
compare.    

By my measurements, the effective top tube center to center are Appaloosa 
57 and Bubbe 58.5. Both fit me at 5’7” and an 82 PBH. The Bubbe is a 
slightly bigger, better fit for me.  I like the zippy feel of the 700c 
wheels and it feels lighter (haven’t weighed them — just an impression). 
Yet, I love the Appaloosa for its beautiful lugs and 650B wheel size. I put 
a picture of them next to each other 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/71ufmCDJJVePieJv9> in the photo album. 

This all reinforces to me that I am not actually super motivated to sell 
the Bubbe. It is a great bike — pretty and versatile. I think I will make a 
separate listing for my 52 Clem H and see if that one generates any 
interest. . . 

   
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 11:54:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Val, 
>
> I'm thinking the list will want to know how to size this (whether it's a 
> more Roadini or Appaloosa 51cm). Can you tell us the effective toptube? 
>
> Holy moly that's a pretty bike! ❤️
>
> Joe Bernard ‍♂️
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 11:42:43 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> In an ongoing effort to condense my bike collection to the bikes I ride 
>> most often, I am offering for sale my 2016 Waterford-made Rosco Bubbe in 
>> size 51 with the handy lift-a-tube frame. The candy apple red color, 
>> decals, and head-badge are beautiful. It is a surprisingly zippy, 
>> nimble-feeling bike. It gets up to cruising speed very quickly. I used it 
>> as an errand/grocery bike and the frame has some abrasions from locking it 
>> up around town. Low mileage. 
>>
>> Parts list below. Lots of pictures here 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/zBEyEpRnMem4m8oh7>. The saddle height in the 
>> pics is 71.
>>
>> You can see in the pics that I originally had it configured with a 
>> Copenhagen Wheel but ended up giving that up in favor of regular wheels. I 
>> am offering it with 700x42 tires on it. It can easily fit up to 50s. My 
>> recollection in trying to fit 54s was that the rear tire had sufficient 
>> clearance in the brake area but not where the tire approached the frame 
>> underneath. I don’t recall whether the chain stay width or length was 
>> inadequate. Perhaps both. 700x50s fit great and were super fun.
>>
>> I am happy to sell it either as frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket for 
>> $1100 or for $2100 complete as shown. If you want only a partial build, 
>> feel free to make an offer. I will pay to have it professionally packed and 
>> buyer pays for BikeFlights shipping. Happy to split paypal fees.  Local 
>> pick-up in/near Boulder CO available too.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230618_203026524.jpg]
>>
>> Frame/Fork: Rosco Bubbe 51
>>
>> Handlebars: Albatross HT-Aluminum with Misha cork grips
>>
>> Stem: Nitto 10cm
>>
>> Shifters: Silver bar-end with pods
>>
>> Brake levers: Tektro v-brakes
>>
>> Seatpost – no name, supplied by Riv with build
>>
>> Front wheel: Velocity Atlas 36h with Shimano Deore hub
>>
>> Rear wheel: Velocity Nobs 36h with Deore XT hub (135 spacing)
>>
>> Brakes: Shimano Deore v-brakes
>>
>> Tires: Soma Shikoro 700x42 (very low mileage)
>>
>> Front derailleur: Shimano Sora
>>
>> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore
>>
>> Crank: Silver 170 with chain guard/40/26
>>
>> Cassette: 10 speed 12-34
>>
>> Saddle and Pedals: Clem stock – optional / no charge 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[Valerie Yates]

I bought an Appaloosa when I was looking for a loaded touring bike for 
pavement and it has been stellar for that. Mine is a 51 with 650B 
wheels. I’ve climbed a bunch of passes on it with front and rear panniers, 
enjoying the awesome views. As it happens, my very first long ride on it 
was a steep rutted dirt/gravel mountain climb and it was glorious. So 
memorably fun and capable. More recently, I’ve been doing more supported 
tours so I’ve  been thinking I should take off the big front rack and give 
it another life as a dirt/gravel climbing bike. I am not sure what size 
tire it can fit. 

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-6 Hugh Flynn wrote:

> I'm doing exactly that. 
>
> While I originally purchased my 2018 Appaloosa as a rough-stuff touring 
> bike, it's really become my primary road bike (without racks) as well as my 
> touring bike (with racks). I have it set up as a standard road bike with 
> Noodle drops (and a relatively short stem given the length of the top 
> tube). It's definitely heavier than my dedicated road bike (1999 Heron 
> Road), but I can't honestly say that it rides like a heavier bike. My time 
> over the same routes isn't at all different whether I take the Appaloosa or 
> the road bike. If I had to give up my road bike, I think I could do so 
> pretty easily now. 
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
>> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
>> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
>> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>>
>> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa 
>> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar 
>> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>>
>> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
>> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
>> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
>> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>>
>> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
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[RBW] Re: FYI on Feedback Sports Pro Mechanic HD repair stand

[Valerie Yates]

I have that same stand. I love it. It is so easy to get different bikes up 
where you want them to be. And is so easy to fold up and store.  Yes, if 
you leave it set up, the footprint can be a tripping hazard.  

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 5:36:19 AM UTC-6 Thomas Blak wrote:

> I picked up the Feedback Sports Pro Mechanic HD repair stand because I 
> wanted something more portable than my Cinelli shop stand and I wanted 
> something more stable than my Feedback Pro Elite which I might add was 
> useless with my Sam Hillborne.  
>
> I was pleasantly surprised on how well it works with my Rivendells. It is 
> quite stable, has a unique clamping system that makes for an easy on and 
> off. It can hold the bike at any angle without slipping. It is far superior 
> to my Pro Elite stand which I use for anything that weighs less than my 
> Riv. 
>
> It does have a few negatives. Its spendy. Second, the anodized aluminum 
> isn't the same quality as my Pro Elite stand and my Sprint stand. It does 
> share the same limitation as other Feedback stands, namely big footprint 
> and you have be cognizant of the legs as they can be a trip hazard. 
>
> So far it meets my needs quite well and I finally have a portable stand 
> that can handle the weight of my Rivendell without falling over. It is a 
> keeper. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Valerie Yates]

Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it a 
conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.


On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a fantastic 
> deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 
>
> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came 
>> in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
>> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding 
>> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about 
>> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
>> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
>> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
>> shouldn’t….)
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr. H
>>> 64cm
>>> 2200
>>> Pleasanton, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam 54 Orange

[Valerie Yates]

Sale is pending! That was fast. No time for me to have second thoughts 
about passing this one along. Has been a favorite. 

Val in Boulder CO
On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:23:13 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am offering for sale my orange Quickbeam 54 with the parts listed as 
> included, below. It is a super fun bike to ride and is in lovely condition. 
> I see only a couple of scratches on the front fork where I leaned it 
> against a rock when pumping a tire, a small nick on the seat tube, and 
> paint wear around the rear wheel drop-outs. The gearing is great for my 
> hilly neighborhood. Tons of pictures are here 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/gdEFMWvNvFUvmdfX6>. 
>
> Price is $1800 net to me of any transaction/buyer protection fees. Paypal, 
> Venmo or Zelle accepted.  I will  pay to have it professionally packed at 
> my local bike store, a Bike Flights partner. Once packed, buyer to arrange 
> and pay for shipping directly with Bike Flights. 
>
> Did I forget to mention anything? Let me know if you have questions. 
>
> *Included*
>
> ·   Frame, fork, headset, & bottom bracket
>
> ·   Wheels: SunRim CR18 silver
>
> ·   Tires: Compass Bon Jon Pass 700x35
>
> ·   Front hub: Shimano Deore DX
>
> ·   Rear hub: Surly flip-flop
>
> ·   Crank: Sugino 170 length
>
> ·   Chain rings: Chainguard, 40, 32
>
> ·   Freewheel: White Industries Dos Enos Blue 16/18
>
> ·   Fixed cog: Suzue 16
>
> ·   Handlebar: Nitto 42 short reach, not certain which one but likely 
> the M151F
>
> ·   Brakes: Tektro canti
>
> ·   Brake levers: Shimano
>
> ·   Seatpost: Nitto 65
>
> ·   Stem: Nitto 7 cm (possibly technomic, not sure)
>
> *Optional*: +$200 to include Berthoud Aspin touring saddle in Cork 
> colorway with Berthoud Klickflix Saddlebag. Saddle in great condition. Bag 
> leather has some water spots. 
> *Excluded:* MKS pedals, King Cage Iris water bottle cage
> [image: PXL_20230421_210830887.MP.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Valerie Yates]

Looks great! Very functional and comfortable. Maybe you will keep this one 
a while? 

Re your WTB, I have a set of brown Brooks roll-up panniers that I purchased 
from someone in this group some years ago. I used them for groceries and 
other shopping. Handy because they could be discreetly rolled up when not 
in use. But they didn’t work great with the top rack on my grocery bike so 
I moved on to metal basket style panniers. I can dig them up and take a 
picture. Happy to sell for $50, including shipping. Here’s a link with pics 
in black (mine are brown). 
 https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ

Val in Boulder CO






On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
> lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And yes, 
>> incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of rise 
>> for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards the 
>> rider. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>>
>>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
>>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em 
>>> while they got em! 
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
 you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change 
> if 
> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even 
> longer 
> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Thanks James! 
>>
>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
>> was 
>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>> (one 
>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>> just 
>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>> beefier 
>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to 
>> Mark 
>> Nobilette. 
>>
>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
>>> you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds 
>>> vs 
>>> lugs?  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Very very nice Joe!

 It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
 rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
 that.

 Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just 
 roll their eyes when I start talking bikes.

 It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
 share with folks that understand.
  
 A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
 bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my 
 own 
 bikes.

 Paul in Dallas 
 (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)





 .

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Orange 56 - $1250 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

Happy to report this bike has been sold to a listmember. I don't typically 
regret bike sales but it was a bit hard to part with this one. I hope the 
next owner enjoys many fun miles on it.

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:30:48 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Laing -- close! It is actually sporting a B18 Lady saddle. So pretty! I 
> love it for upright riding. Not likely how most ride a Quickbeam but it 
> worked for me with the swept back bars on a too big frame. 
>
> Here is a picture from the LovelyBike blog 
> <http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2009/10/lady-has-home-thoughts-on-brooks-b18.html>
> :
>
> [image: b18Ladysaddle.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:04:34 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> Another of my favorite discontinued saddles, the Brooks semi-sprung B-72, 
>> not included with the bike for good reason.
>>
>> [image: B-72.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:32:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I've been made aware of a mistake in my listing. The QB currently has 
>>> Barlow Pass tires on it -- 700x38, which gives it a standover of 82.5.  
>>> Seems like determining the correct size is the biggest challenge. This one 
>>> is technically a bit too big for me but I have always liked riding a 
>>> slightly too large frame. I also have a QB 54 with drop bars. If this one 
>>> doesn't sell, I may offer up that one instead. . . 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:37:01 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you always wanted a Quickbeam? This orange size 56 QB has great 
>>>> components and is priced to sell. I purchased it used from a list member 
>>>> in 
>>>> 2016. I’ve ridden it lightly since then, mainly as a townie/errand bike 
>>>> with a small rack and front basket. As anyone who has ridden one will tell 
>>>> you, it is a super-fun ride. The Bosco Bullmoose bars are great for 
>>>> leverage. Has beausage appropriate for its age, including paint chips and 
>>>> scratches, some covered with nail polish. The decal on the downtube is 
>>>> deteriorating.  Lots of pictures here 
>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300965344>
>>>> . 
>>>>
>>>> Price depends on options, described below. 
>>>>
>>>> $1250 (net to me) for the bike complete as shown, *minus pedals, 
>>>> saddle, and seatpost*, and *plus shipping* (or free local pickup). 
>>>> This includes the following: 
>>>>
>>>> Bosco Bullmoose Handlebars 54
>>>>
>>>> Misha Cork Grips with shellack
>>>>
>>>> Tektro Brake Levers
>>>>
>>>> Front brakes– Paul neo-retro cantis
>>>>
>>>> Rear brakes– Paul touring cantis
>>>>
>>>> Crankset: Sugino triple 170 with chain guard-40-32
>>>>
>>>> Wheels: polished SunRims CR 18 with Paul high flange black hubs and DT 
>>>> black spokes
>>>>
>>>> White Industries Dos Eno freewheel 17/19 (red) and Miche Technology  
>>>> (made in Italy) 16 tooth fixed on the flip  side. These have worked great 
>>>> in my hilly neighborhood. 
>>>>
>>>> Tires: Compass 700-32  Stampede Pass (lots of life left in them)
>>>>
>>>> Saddle and seatpost – not included. It takes a 27.2 seat post.
>>>>
>>>> If there’s not interest in it as shown, I can offer some flexibility to 
>>>> reduce the price. I love the Bosco bullmoose handlebars so if you are 
>>>> planning a different cockpit, I will reduce the price by $150  if we 
>>>> exclude handlebars, brake levers, and grips. 
>>>>
>>>> For boxing and shipping, I will pay to have it professionally packed by 
>>>> my LBS, a bike flights partner. Buyer to arrange and pay for the shipping 
>>>> / 
>>>> insurance directly with bike flights, who will pick up the bike from my 
>>>> LBS. 
>>>>
>>>> Happy to answer any questions either by reply to this thread or by 
>>>> email. Interested in buying? Send me an email and let’s work out the 
>>>> details. 
>>>>
>>>> Val in Boulder, CO
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Orange 56 - $1250 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

I've been made aware of a mistake in my listing. The QB currently has 
Barlow Pass tires on it -- 700x38, which gives it a standover of 82.5.  
Seems like determining the correct size is the biggest challenge. This one 
is technically a bit too big for me but I have always liked riding a 
slightly too large frame. I also have a QB 54 with drop bars. If this one 
doesn't sell, I may offer up that one instead. . . 



On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:37:01 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Have you always wanted a Quickbeam? This orange size 56 QB has great 
> components and is priced to sell. I purchased it used from a list member in 
> 2016. I’ve ridden it lightly since then, mainly as a townie/errand bike 
> with a small rack and front basket. As anyone who has ridden one will tell 
> you, it is a super-fun ride. The Bosco Bullmoose bars are great for 
> leverage. Has beausage appropriate for its age, including paint chips and 
> scratches, some covered with nail polish. The decal on the downtube is 
> deteriorating.  Lots of pictures here 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300965344>. 
>
> Price depends on options, described below. 
>
> $1250 (net to me) for the bike complete as shown, *minus pedals, saddle, 
> and seatpost*, and *plus shipping* (or free local pickup). This includes 
> the following: 
>
> Bosco Bullmoose Handlebars 54
>
> Misha Cork Grips with shellack
>
> Tektro Brake Levers
>
> Front brakes– Paul neo-retro cantis
>
> Rear brakes– Paul touring cantis
>
> Crankset: Sugino triple 170 with chain guard-40-32
>
> Wheels: polished SunRims CR 18 with Paul high flange black hubs and DT 
> black spokes
>
> White Industries Dos Eno freewheel 17/19 (red) and Miche Technology  (made 
> in Italy) 16 tooth fixed on the flip  side. These have worked great in my 
> hilly neighborhood. 
>
> Tires: Compass 700-32  Stampede Pass (lots of life left in them)
>
> Saddle and seatpost – not included. It takes a 27.2 seat post.
>
> If there’s not interest in it as shown, I can offer some flexibility to 
> reduce the price. I love the Bosco bullmoose handlebars so if you are 
> planning a different cockpit, I will reduce the price by $150  if we 
> exclude handlebars, brake levers, and grips. 
>
> For boxing and shipping, I will pay to have it professionally packed by my 
> LBS, a bike flights partner. Buyer to arrange and pay for the shipping / 
> insurance directly with bike flights, who will pick up the bike from my 
> LBS. 
>
> Happy to answer any questions either by reply to this thread or by email. 
> Interested in buying? Send me an email and let’s work out the details. 
>
> Val in Boulder, CO
>

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[RBW] FS: Quickbeam Orange 56 - $1250 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

Have you always wanted a Quickbeam? This orange size 56 QB has great 
components and is priced to sell. I purchased it used from a list member in 
2016. I’ve ridden it lightly since then, mainly as a townie/errand bike 
with a small rack and front basket. As anyone who has ridden one will tell 
you, it is a super-fun ride. The Bosco Bullmoose bars are great for 
leverage. Has beausage appropriate for its age, including paint chips and 
scratches, some covered with nail polish. The decal on the downtube is 
deteriorating.  Lots of pictures here 
. 

Price depends on options, described below. 

$1250 (net to me) for the bike complete as shown, *minus pedals, saddle, 
and seatpost*, and *plus shipping* (or free local pickup). This includes 
the following: 

Bosco Bullmoose Handlebars 54

Misha Cork Grips with shellack

Tektro Brake Levers

Front brakes– Paul neo-retro cantis

Rear brakes– Paul touring cantis

Crankset: Sugino triple 170 with chain guard-40-32

Wheels: polished SunRims CR 18 with Paul high flange black hubs and DT 
black spokes

White Industries Dos Eno freewheel 17/19 (red) and Miche Technology  (made 
in Italy) 16 tooth fixed on the flip  side. These have worked great in my 
hilly neighborhood. 

Tires: Compass 700-32  Stampede Pass (lots of life left in them)

Saddle and seatpost – not included. It takes a 27.2 seat post.

If there’s not interest in it as shown, I can offer some flexibility to 
reduce the price. I love the Bosco bullmoose handlebars so if you are 
planning a different cockpit, I will reduce the price by $150  if we 
exclude handlebars, brake levers, and grips. 

For boxing and shipping, I will pay to have it professionally packed by my 
LBS, a bike flights partner. Buyer to arrange and pay for the shipping / 
insurance directly with bike flights, who will pick up the bike from my 
LBS. 

Happy to answer any questions either by reply to this thread or by email. 
Interested in buying? Send me an email and let’s work out the details. 

Val in Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: 56+ before 55!

[Valerie Yates]

Beautiful! Bike, route, shirt, and determination are all fabulous. Thanks 
for sharing your story. I admire your determination. Hope this is the year 
of fun rides and no hospitals. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-6 Drew Saunders wrote:

> For the past few years, I've tried to ride my age or more on or about my 
> birthday (this Sunday, the 17th, a.k.a. "World Emoji Day!"). Although not 
> as impressive as crossing the country, it was still a good ride today.
>
> In 2017, instead of riding 50+ miles for my 50th birthday, I spent my 
> birthday in the hospital due to a bad reaction to Xeloda, my first 
> chemotherapy drug. Oh, did I mention that in April of 2017 I found out that 
> I had adenocarcinoma of the descending colon? I had the colectomy at the 
> end of May, and started chemo at the end of June (and re-started it at the 
> end of July with a different drug). That'll put a damper in your riding 
> plans any day! 
>
> I was able to do a 53 mile ride before turning 51 in 2018, and a 55 mile 
> ride before turning 52 in 2019. I found my fitness dropping unexpectedly in 
> 2020, but eventually figured out that it was due to working from home and 
> no longer walking or biking to work (which is only 2 miles each way, but it 
> adds up). I added a neighborhood walk to my morning routine and improved my 
> fitness, but wasn't able to get in a 53+ mile ride for 2020. Then, in 
> November 2020 (Friday the 13th, of course) I found out that my cancer had 
> returned in a single tumor in my liver. That (along with 1/4 of my liver) 
> was removed at the end of December.
>
> 2021 was the year of regrowing my liver, so no long ride that July! I 
> still got in some medium rides, but didn't make 54KM, much less 54 miles 
> for any of them.
>
> I set out this morning to do a variation on the same 53 and 55 mile ride I 
> had done in 2018 and 2019, just with a little more at each end. For the 
> locals, this is Cañada road to the end, then meander through Woodside, 
> Portola Valley and Los Altos Hills, then Foothill Expressway/Steven's 
> Canyon Road and turn around at the Lakeshore Picnic Area then home. It 
> totaled 56.62 miles! Eventually, I'll have to switch to kilometers.
>
> "Pics or it didn't happen":
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-18-35_568.jpg]
> The turnaround at Cañada Road and Hwy 92 (uppermost part of Lower Crystal 
> Springs reservoir)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-27-30_001.jpg]
> The famous Pulgas Water Temple from the fence (it looks better up close)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-54-51_607.jpg]
> The Woodside Store, a fine place to stop for a snack and refill the 
> bottles. The glowing blue stuff is Gatorade. That's a very early (Duluth 
> patch) "banana bag" in the back and a "candy bar bag" in the front.[image: 
> 2022-07-15_11-38-41_948.jpg]
> Last snack stop at Lakeshore Picnic Area selfie. Yes, Oscar is a 
> Retrogrouch! His trash can is STEEL, not plastic!
>
> Drew
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Valerie Yates]

That is a very pretty bike! Love the color. Not my size and I also have 
more bikes than I need. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including 
> racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in 
> great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic brown
>>
>> headset:FSA
>>
>> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>>
>> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips 
>> and Newbaum’s brown tape
>>
>> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>>
>> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>>
>> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>>
>> crankset:   Silver triple
>>
>> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>>
>> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>>
>> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>>
>> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>>
>> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>>
>> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>>
>> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>>
>> seatpost Nitto S83
>>
>> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>>
>> kickstand   included
>>
>> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>>
>> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>>
>> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>>
>> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>>
>> fenders: SKS 
>>
>> link to photos:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bleriot 55 complete $1000 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

Update - the Bleriot is SOLD and will be on its way shortly to its new 
owner. I appreciate all of the inquiries. 
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 8:21:45 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am pleased to report that I’ve had a number of inquiries for the bike 
> and I am responding in order. 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-6 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Very interested!! Sent a pm :)
>>
>> Patch in BK/NY
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful bike and a great deal. Just too far past the N+1 right 
>>> now…
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the enthusiasm! Someone looking for a versatile bike and fun 
>>> ride should have the chance to enjoy this  Bleriot.  I’ve read several 
>>> posts about people regretting selling theirs, so I do have some hesitation 
>>> around it. But I also am expecting a Charlie H Gallop demo (54) and want to 
>>> make some room. 
>>>
>>> I am new to Flickr. I think/hope the pics are now visible. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:18:02 PM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a crazy good deal!  I'm not personally interested, but I also 
>>>> cannot access the photos.  
>>>>
>>>> GLWS!
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:09:10 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in selling my size 55 Bleriot complete. It is a lovely 
>>>>> bike to ride. I have the gearing set for steep dirt roads, at which it 
>>>>> excels. It rides similar to a Soma San Marcos - very fluid - with a bit 
>>>>> more tire clearance (42 v 38). 
>>>>>
>>>>> I purchased the Bleriot from a list member in 2017. Our deal was for 
>>>>> $1200 including shipping and minus saddle, stem, and handlebars. I am 
>>>>> hoping to sell it for essentially the same price with a stem and 
>>>>> handlebars 
>>>>> included, along with a new freewheel. Sale price is $1,000 complete, 
>>>>> including professional packing, plus actual charges for bike flights 
>>>>> shipping. Shipping to be determined once packed and the ship-to address 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> known. I am open to offers if someone wants the frame minus specific 
>>>>> components or for local pick-up in Boulder/Denver area. 
>>>>>
>>>>> This bike has ample visible beausage - lots of scratches and dings -- 
>>>>> without any serious damage.  The only trouble it has given me is that the 
>>>>> rear brake hanger can get in the way of the seat bolt binder. I have to 
>>>>> position it very carefully to make sure the seat post does not slip. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of pictures here 
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300363529/with/52199131999/>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> *Details*:
>>>>> Size 55 measured center to center (which is a good fit for my 82 pbh)
>>>>> Saddle as pictured is 71 1/2 , measured diagonally from the center of 
>>>>> the crank arm
>>>>> Geometry chart 
>>>>> <https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf>
>>>>> Velocity Synergy 650B 32h rims
>>>>> Standover about 81 Fatty Rumpkin tires (great tires! plenty of life 
>>>>> left in them)
>>>>> Shimano Dynamo front hub DH 3N71 
>>>>> B Lumotec Lyt (25 lumens)
>>>>> Phil Wood rear hub
>>>>> Campagnolo-Brev-Int headset
>>>>> Phil Wood bottom bracket (according to previous owner)
>>>>> Technomic stem 7
>>>>> Nitto handlebars -- likely B136 Rando Touring Bar size 42  
>>>>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b136-randonneur-touring-bar-drop_handlebar_nitto_b136_870/p?skuId=640084>(very
>>>>>  
>>>>> comfortable)
>>>>> Sugino XD triple 48x36x24
>>>>> Shimano Sora FD
>>>>> 7 speed freewheel (not a free hub / cassette) SunRun 14x34 (relatively 
>>>>> new)
>>>>> Paul Components center-pull brakes
>>>>> Shimano XT RD
>>>>> Tektro brake levers
>>>>> Shimano bar-end shifters
>>>>>
>>>>> Excluded i

Re: [RBW] Bleriot 55 complete $1000 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

I am pleased to report that I’ve had a number of inquiries for the bike and 
I am responding in order. 

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-6 Patch T wrote:

> Very interested!! Sent a pm :)
>
> Patch in BK/NY
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful bike and a great deal. Just too far past the N+1 right 
>> now…
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the enthusiasm! Someone looking for a versatile bike and fun 
>> ride should have the chance to enjoy this  Bleriot.  I’ve read several 
>> posts about people regretting selling theirs, so I do have some hesitation 
>> around it. But I also am expecting a Charlie H Gallop demo (54) and want to 
>> make some room. 
>>
>> I am new to Flickr. I think/hope the pics are now visible. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:18:02 PM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> That's a crazy good deal!  I'm not personally interested, but I also 
>>> cannot access the photos.  
>>>
>>> GLWS!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:09:10 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am interested in selling my size 55 Bleriot complete. It is a lovely 
>>>> bike to ride. I have the gearing set for steep dirt roads, at which it 
>>>> excels. It rides similar to a Soma San Marcos - very fluid - with a bit 
>>>> more tire clearance (42 v 38). 
>>>>
>>>> I purchased the Bleriot from a list member in 2017. Our deal was for 
>>>> $1200 including shipping and minus saddle, stem, and handlebars. I am 
>>>> hoping to sell it for essentially the same price with a stem and 
>>>> handlebars 
>>>> included, along with a new freewheel. Sale price is $1,000 complete, 
>>>> including professional packing, plus actual charges for bike flights 
>>>> shipping. Shipping to be determined once packed and the ship-to address is 
>>>> known. I am open to offers if someone wants the frame minus specific 
>>>> components or for local pick-up in Boulder/Denver area. 
>>>>
>>>> This bike has ample visible beausage - lots of scratches and dings -- 
>>>> without any serious damage.  The only trouble it has given me is that the 
>>>> rear brake hanger can get in the way of the seat bolt binder. I have to 
>>>> position it very carefully to make sure the seat post does not slip. 
>>>>
>>>> Lots of pictures here 
>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300363529/with/52199131999/>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> *Details*:
>>>> Size 55 measured center to center (which is a good fit for my 82 pbh)
>>>> Saddle as pictured is 71 1/2 , measured diagonally from the center of 
>>>> the crank arm
>>>> Geometry chart 
>>>> <https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf>
>>>> Velocity Synergy 650B 32h rims
>>>> Standover about 81 Fatty Rumpkin tires (great tires! plenty of life 
>>>> left in them)
>>>> Shimano Dynamo front hub DH 3N71 
>>>> B Lumotec Lyt (25 lumens)
>>>> Phil Wood rear hub
>>>> Campagnolo-Brev-Int headset
>>>> Phil Wood bottom bracket (according to previous owner)
>>>> Technomic stem 7
>>>> Nitto handlebars -- likely B136 Rando Touring Bar size 42  
>>>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b136-randonneur-touring-bar-drop_handlebar_nitto_b136_870/p?skuId=640084>(very
>>>>  
>>>> comfortable)
>>>> Sugino XD triple 48x36x24
>>>> Shimano Sora FD
>>>> 7 speed freewheel (not a free hub / cassette) SunRun 14x34 (relatively 
>>>> new)
>>>> Paul Components center-pull brakes
>>>> Shimano XT RD
>>>> Tektro brake levers
>>>> Shimano bar-end shifters
>>>>
>>>> Excluded items: saddle, pedals and tail-light
>>>> Bottle cages - optional (no charge either way)
>>>>
>>>> Happy to answer any questions. 
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Val in Boulder CO
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20220706_203855424.jpg]
>>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 55 complete $1000 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

Thanks for the enthusiasm! Someone looking for a versatile bike and fun 
ride should have the chance to enjoy this  Bleriot.  I’ve read several 
posts about people regretting selling theirs, so I do have some hesitation 
around it. But I also am expecting a Charlie H Gallop demo (54) and want to 
make some room. 

I am new to Flickr. I think/hope the pics are now visible. 

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:18:02 PM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:

> That's a crazy good deal!  I'm not personally interested, but I also 
> cannot access the photos.  
>
> GLWS!
>
> Matt
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:09:10 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I am interested in selling my size 55 Bleriot complete. It is a lovely 
>> bike to ride. I have the gearing set for steep dirt roads, at which it 
>> excels. It rides similar to a Soma San Marcos - very fluid - with a bit 
>> more tire clearance (42 v 38). 
>>
>> I purchased the Bleriot from a list member in 2017. Our deal was for 
>> $1200 including shipping and minus saddle, stem, and handlebars. I am 
>> hoping to sell it for essentially the same price with a stem and handlebars 
>> included, along with a new freewheel. Sale price is $1,000 complete, 
>> including professional packing, plus actual charges for bike flights 
>> shipping. Shipping to be determined once packed and the ship-to address is 
>> known. I am open to offers if someone wants the frame minus specific 
>> components or for local pick-up in Boulder/Denver area. 
>>
>> This bike has ample visible beausage - lots of scratches and dings -- 
>> without any serious damage.  The only trouble it has given me is that the 
>> rear brake hanger can get in the way of the seat bolt binder. I have to 
>> position it very carefully to make sure the seat post does not slip. 
>>
>> Lots of pictures here 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300363529/with/52199131999/>
>> .
>>
>> *Details*:
>> Size 55 measured center to center (which is a good fit for my 82 pbh)
>> Saddle as pictured is 71 1/2 , measured diagonally from the center of the 
>> crank arm
>> Geometry chart 
>> <https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf>
>> Velocity Synergy 650B 32h rims
>> Standover about 81 Fatty Rumpkin tires (great tires! plenty of life left 
>> in them)
>> Shimano Dynamo front hub DH 3N71 
>> B Lumotec Lyt (25 lumens)
>> Phil Wood rear hub
>> Campagnolo-Brev-Int headset
>> Phil Wood bottom bracket (according to previous owner)
>> Technomic stem 7
>> Nitto handlebars -- likely B136 Rando Touring Bar size 42 
>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b136-randonneur-touring-bar-drop_handlebar_nitto_b136_870/p?skuId=640084>(very
>>  
>> comfortable)
>> Sugino XD triple 48x36x24
>> Shimano Sora FD
>> 7 speed freewheel (not a free hub / cassette) SunRun 14x34 (relatively 
>> new)
>> Paul Components center-pull brakes
>> Shimano XT RD
>> Tektro brake levers
>> Shimano bar-end shifters
>>
>> Excluded items: saddle, pedals and tail-light
>> Bottle cages - optional (no charge either way)
>>
>> Happy to answer any questions. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>> [image: PXL_20220706_203855424.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Carradice or other Saddle Bag

[Valerie Yates]

I have had a number of inquiries about the Baggins bag. I’m psyched because 
it is a great bag and has plenty of life left in it. It just isn’t one I 
use. I am happy to have it go to someone who will use it. Wally was first 
so I will start there. If he doesn’t go for it, I will follow-up in order 
of inquiry, 

Thanks!
Val in Boulder CO

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:43:18 PM UTC-6 jamin orrall wrote:

> Hi Valerie, I have been looking for a Baggins Adam for my 2011 A . Homer 
> Hilsen.  If David doesn't end up needing it and you would still like to 
> part with it please let me know! 
>
> Thanks!
> Jamin Orrall
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:18:58 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I have a used Baggins bag, complete with original cardboard base and 
>> stick, that I would be happy to pass along to an enthusiast for $40. It 
>> might be too big for a kid’s bike. 
>>
>> It looks like this one: 
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02/pages/riv-baggins-bag.html
>> More info: https://www.roadbikerider.com/baggins-adam-saddlebag-d1/ 
>>
>> I am not sure if either of those are the exact same model as mine but 
>> should be enough to give you the idea. I can take /share pictures of mine 
>> later today if it interests you. Let me know if you’d like to know more. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:36:19 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi There,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a saddle bag for my son's bike. He saw me putting mine 
>>> on my bike after a recent project, and admired mine. I decided I couldn't 
>>> say no to such a noble request. Not having a lot of luck on ebay - would 
>>> love to buy something pre-owned or under used.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you'd be willing to part with for an aspiring rivendell 
>>> enthusiast!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Valerie Yates]

Just to add to your excitement, I have a Gus demo purchased complete from 
Riv from the first round and I love it.  In my garage, it looks so huge and 
stout that it can lead me to doubt its role in my life. But then I ride it 
and it is such a fun bike to ride. It is surprisingly comfortable and 
pleasant going uphill and truly fantastic -stable, intuitive, flowy - going 
downhill, paved or not. There is one steep downhill where my other bikes 
leave me feeling somewhat apprehensive about going too fast but I can sail 
down it confidently on the Gus.  It has expanded my comfort zone. I find 
myself thinking up routes to do with it.

Is anyone planning to tour with theirs? I wonder which racks would fit well 
on it. 

Val in Boulder, CO



On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:35:13 AM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very excited to see these builds come together! I was also hoping for an 
> update just to know they got to port at least. But I guess we should have 
> an update by the end of he week, maybe… I’m moving in 5 weeks and I was 
> hoping to get a nice couple night camp trip in with it before then! Getting 
> a bit close though so we’ll see. 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:18:16 PM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
>
>> That's one of the bars I picked up as a possibility for the Gus.  I have 
>> the shifters and levers on it and installed it on the Paul Boxcar stem I 
>> picked up.  It's a really beautiful bar.  But I'll have to wait and see 
>> which bar wins out.  
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:32:46 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had a thread about handlebar choice a few months ago, then Rivendell 
>>> without any fanfare slipped a new Nitto bar into their lineup which 
>>> basically filled all of my criteria. The new Bull bar seems to have gone 
>>> under the radar, (it didn't immediately sell out) and is going to be 
>>> perfect for my slightly too big XL Susie! I am going to wait until I have 
>>> the bike in front of me to try all the options and see which one wins.
>>> I am excited to see everyone else's builds, Some nice sounding parts 
>>> lists going on here.
>>> Was hoping for an update in today's email too and was a little 
>>> disappointed.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Carradice or other Saddle Bag

[Valerie Yates]

I have a used Baggins bag, complete with original cardboard base and stick, 
that I would be happy to pass along to an enthusiast for $40. It might be 
too big for a kid’s bike. 

It looks like this 
one: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/interbike02/pages/riv-baggins-bag.html
More info: https://www.roadbikerider.com/baggins-adam-saddlebag-d1/ 

I am not sure if either of those are the exact same model as mine but 
should be enough to give you the idea. I can take /share pictures of mine 
later today if it interests you. Let me know if you’d like to know more. 

Best,
Val in Boulder CO




On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:36:19 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Hi There,
>
> I'm looking for a saddle bag for my son's bike. He saw me putting mine on 
> my bike after a recent project, and admired mine. I decided I couldn't say 
> no to such a noble request. Not having a lot of luck on ebay - would love 
> to buy something pre-owned or under used.
>
> Let me know what you'd be willing to part with for an aspiring rivendell 
> enthusiast!
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Valerie Yates]

Nice looking Cheviot 50cm complete in Boulder CO $3200. I have no 
connection to the seller and don’t know if he/she will ship. 

https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-50-cm-cheviot/7397322467.html

Val in Boulder, CO

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-6 jake...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Clem H (I assume a 52?) seems like a very good deal if someone's 
> looking...I contacted the owner and he said he's willing to ship.
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 8:37:46 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. 
>> Listed as "Medium," contact owner for exact size 
>> $850 
>> Albuquerque, NM 
>>
>> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7389093757.html
>>  
>>
>> Atlantis 
>> 64cm 
>> $2600 
>> Reno, NV 
>>
>> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-atlantis-rohloff/7375321284.html
>>  
>>
>> Sam Hillborne 
>> 62cm 
>> $3500 
>> Oakland, CA 
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-62cm/7387396472.html
>>  
>>
>> Atlantis 
>> 51cm 
>> $1800 
>> Old Saybrook, CT 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/320886123015578 
>>
>> Protovelo AHH 
>> 58cm 
>> $1399 
>> New York, NY 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/844420596174307 
>>
>> Roadini 
>> 50cm 
>> $1400 
>> Stonington, CT 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/171970561458799
>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Valerie Yates]

The Denver Cheviot belongs to a friend of mine. it is a 60. She only rode 
it a few times.  Says it was too big for her. Beautiful bike. 
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:59:56 PM UTC-6 Paul Choi wrote:

> Great price for the Cheviot. Looks like a 55 to me. Wish I was local for 
> this one. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:00:58 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Romulus
>> 59cm
>> $2000
>> Meridian, ID
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/828474327784801
>>
>>
>> Roadini
>> 47cm
>> $950
>> Beacon, NY
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2877322799206984
>>
>>
>> Cheviot
>> (size not listed, contact owner)
>> $1500
>> Denver, CO
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/265832605273264
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud post-mount rack/bag combo

[Valerie Yates]

Joe -- I'm interested. I sent you an email. Thanks. 

Val in Boulder CO

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 8:16:09 AM UTC-6 neal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting rack, never seen something like that. I couldn't wrap my head 
> around the setup so I looked it up.
> Here's a link with pictures of how it attaches in case others were as 
> curious as I was.
>
> https://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/Gilles-Berthoud-Seatpost-Rack-p11657.htm
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 5:13:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The story behind this is I bought it some years ago, didn't use it long 
>> and sold it, then got it traded back to me a while back. Am I ever going to 
>> use it again? This seems increasingly unlikely so you should! Fits 27.2, 
>> with shim that works on 26.8. It's some insane price new now, I can't 
>> imagine anyone is paying that. How's about $170 shipped? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Marin County, CA. 
>> Text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623> for the way mo pics
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Riv Readers

[Valerie Yates]

Hi. I have a mostly/nearly complete set I’d be happy to pass along for the 
price of postage. If you are still interested, send me your address and I 
can give details and pricing. They are fun reading! 

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:50:00 PM UTC-6 Alberto Robador wrote:

> Hi there: I'm looking to buy old Riv readers. If you have a collection 
> you'd be interested to part with me please me know! I'm interested in the 
> whole lot, from the first to the last issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Alberto
>
> Los Angeles  
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[RBW] Fatty Rumpkin tire opinions, experiences.

[Valerie Yates]

I loved them on my Sam Hillborne. They transitioned seamlessly from pavement, 
to dirt roads, to trails with patches of gravel and sand. I never had to think 
about them. They replaced rock ‘n roads, which sounded loud and felt grabby in 
the corners. I had the robust version and had no complaints about weight or 
speed. When I sold the bike, I said I’d be happy to drop the price a bit and 
keep the tires but the new owner really liked them too so I sold it complete. 

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Re: [RBW] Recommendations for Riv-ish bike shop in Boulder?

[Valerie Yates]

Also, Full Cycle bikes has posted a bunch of popular routes here:
https://www.fullcyclebikes.com/events/boulder-rides-pg78.htm

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Re: [RBW] Recommendations for Riv-ish bike shop in Boulder?

[Valerie Yates]

Vecchio’s is great. For riv-friendly service, I also really like Boulder 
BikeSmith, located in the plaza near KingSoopers.

Every nearby cycling route from easy to mind-boggling is detailed in a small 
black and white paperback that you can get at Boulder Bookstore in the Colorado 
section. It is called The Guide to Cycling the Roads out of Boulder (on Skinny 
and Fat Tires) While trying to avoid automobile traffic, getting or remaining 
physically fit, & preserving the environment, etc. by Burt Struthers and Terry 
Struthers. It is an amazingly good and detailed resource. 

It is definitely worthwhile to make an appointment to visit Boulder Bicycle. 
They don’t provide service but they have all sorts of stuff and great 
conversation. 

Best,

Val in Boulder CO

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Valerie Yates]

I didn't mean to delete my last message. It looked like it was posted twice 
and I wanted to delete the duplicate.  I am going to try and repeat what I 
said and I'm sorry if that means that people who receive this by email get 
it twice.

I love my Clem H for long, solo rides on uncertain road surfaces. It feels 
lively, sturdy, and comfortable.The views with upright bars are amazing. 
The gearing is suitable for hills. I would happily choose it for multi-day 
tours or self-supported century rides. I would not choose it for rides with 
friends who like to ride fast or for organized century rides, because these 
typically have time-frames that are not ideal for Clem riding. I would 
hesitate to choose Clem if you plan to take your bike on public 
transportation or up and down narrow stairs.  I have an Appaloosa as well 
and I would say the same things about it. It is perhaps a bit more nimble 
than my Clem but I would not consider it as noticeably better in the areas 
where Clem is not optimal.  Both are great, fun, comfortable bikes that 
suit a wide variety of riding conditions. But if you want a bike to keep up 
with friends on lightweight, drop-bar road bikes, I would choose something 
else. I like to ride the Clem when I don't need to be somewhere at a 
particular time. It is not that the bike is slow. It is fun to ride when I 
have time to enjoy the scenery and terrain. 

Val in Boulder, CO





On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:56:42 PM UTC-7, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>
> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
> tour?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Valerie Yates]

I love my Clem for long solo rides, especially when I don't know in advance 
what the road conditions will be. It feels really fun, secure, and 
comfortable, the gearing has good range for hills, and the views are 
amazing with the upright position. Mine has  the Sackville BarSack, which 
is perfect for holding a light layer, lunch, camera, etc.  I also have the 
AXA frame lock, which is great for quick stops in low-risk areas. I would 
not choose my Clem for a long ride in which I wanted to keep up with people 
who like to ride fast. Multi-day tour - yes. Self-supported century - yes. 
Organized century ride -- probably not since those are generally have 
time-frames that would not be suited to the Clem. If you are planning on 
taking it on public transportation or up and down stairs, Clem would not be 
my first choice. 

I'd say the same things about my Appaloosa. It is perhaps a bit livelier 
than the Clem but not enough to put it into a different category of riding. 
I enjoy having both because I have mine set up differently.  My Appaloosa 
has racks for loaded multi-day touring and tires for mostly pavement and 
the Clem is set up for day trips with all-terrain tires. 

Val in Boulder, CO



On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:56:42 PM UTC-7, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>
> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
> tour?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[Valerie Yates]

Yes, the stock tires would have been fine. I had switched to Continental 
Race King 650bx2.2 before installing the lock and they rubbed when I 
attempted to install the lock. I switched to Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 27.5 
x 2.0 and those fit fine. FWIW these are great tires for adventure rides 
with uncertain road surface conditions.


On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 8:53:28 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> What size tire? I use an Abus on my Clem with the stock Kenda tires and 
> there were no issues mounting or tire clearance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[Valerie Yates]

I was able to install it without filing away anything. It required shifting 
it up and down a bit to determine where best to make it fit. I also had to 
go down slightly in the tire size I was planning to use with this bike for 
the lock to be able to close around the wheel. It was well worth it. It is 
so nice to have a lock in place at all times that is so quick and easy to 
use. 



Val in Boulder CO

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 10:23:31 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> I’m trying to install an AXA Victory Framelock to my Clem. The mounting 
> braze-ons on the frame are just slightly too far apart to match-up with the 
> mounting slots on the lock. Mark at Riv says it’s a difficult lock to 
> install ... requires filing away material on the lock to make it work. Has 
> anyone here installed this lock and have any tips?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried a Copenhagen wheel on their Rivbike??

[Valerie Yates]

Faster than orange?? Thanks to you and Bill G. for the kind words. I am a 
big fan of red and I like how it came together. I had just received notice 
that my wheel was finally going to be delivered when the Red Roscoes showed 
up on the Riv site. Seemed meant to be. I sent my wheel to Riv and they 
installed it as part of a complete build. It turned out great and works 
really well. 

And Joe, I agree that an electric fixie would be madness.  I might have 
been happy with the single speed option but having gears is better if I 
ever run out of power while out on a ride. Riding it single speed without 
assist in my hilly neighborhood would be exercise.  

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 1:03:02 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Valerie, I dig your eRosco. Red with a red motor is definitely the fastest 
> color!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone tried a Copenhagen wheel on their Rivbike??

[Valerie Yates]

Wait -- no, it cannot. You can put it on the bike but then it will operate 
as a single speed. 

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 12:58:09 PM UTC-6, Valerie Yates wrote:
>
> Apparently it can:
>
>
> https://www.superpedestrian.com/support/article/Can-the-Copenhagen-Wheel-be-used-with-a-fixed-gear-bicycle
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can anyone say if it will, or absolutely will not, work with a fixed cog?
>>
>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone tried a Copenhagen wheel on their Rivbike??

[Valerie Yates]

Apparently it can:

https://www.superpedestrian.com/support/article/Can-the-Copenhagen-Wheel-be-used-with-a-fixed-gear-bicycle

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone say if it will, or absolutely will not, work with a fixed cog?
>
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried a Copenhagen wheel on their Rivbike??

[Valerie Yates]

I have the Roscoe Bubbe with Copenhagen Wheel. I had ordered the wheel 
pre-launch and waited 3 years for it. In 2013, it was $700. The wheel is 
terrific. It works very intuitively. I haven't weighed the bike but I don't 
think you are saving weight with this approach. The wheel is extremely 
heavy. The main benefit is that the appearance is sleek and doesn't limit 
your space for water bottles, racks, bags, etc. The distance it can go on a 
charge is about 30 miles. I need to upgrade the firmware because that is 
supposed to make the regenerative braking feature more effective, which 
would add to its range. They also upgraded the top speed to 25 mph. It has 
an exercise mode that provides resistance. I haven't tried that. There's a 
single speed option but not fixed gear. I'd be happy to answer any other 
questions. Roman took some nice pics of it that you can see here. 


Val in Boulder CO


On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 8:40:08 AM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> https://content.superpedestrian.com/the-copenhagen-wheel
>
> My wife talks electric bikes. Thought I could get her a rivbike and then 
> just pop a Copenhagen wheel on there.
> Clean, and she doesn't have to ride a 55lb electric bike.
> Anyone tried it on their riv?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Purple Glorious was Stolen

[Valerie Yates]

Amazing! Kudos to everyone who motivated to help you and to you for your 
positive attitude about the experience. I hope you are able to find a more 
secure location for your beautiful bike. 

Best,

Val in Boulder CO

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:07:23 PM UTC-6, Chalida wrote:
>
> A lot of folks have asked, so here is the recovery story:
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

[Valerie Yates]

I love the shopsacks. I don't use them as handbags but I definitely use 
them off the bike as often as I do on. I prefer the medium size for use on 
the bike. For me, that is mostly grocery shopping / farmer's market, the 
gym, etc. The medium fits perfectly in the medium Wald basket and the Wald 
Bosco basket. I would want it secured in the large Wald basket but I think 
that could easily be done. 

I tried the large/large combo and it is bigger than I need or want on a 
bike but it is excellent for errands made via car where I am toting around 
large, heavy, or awkward items (pet food, books, laserjet toner cartridges, 
fabric, goodwill donations, etc.)  


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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Valerie Yates]

Yes, the Pro's Closet generally sells on consignment and lowers prices over 
time when items don't sell.  Sometimes, they will offer a fixed payment 
upfront for people for whom immediate cash is worth more than the 
additional increment they may obtain through the consignment auction 
process.  The fee structure is here 
.
 
I've done a number of transactions with them. They have a good reputation 
locally. 

Val in Boulder, CO (where anything more than 5 years old is considered 
vintage)




On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:20:23 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I will throw in, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Pro's 
> Closet is many times selling a bike on consignment.  It could be that 
> someone brought them the bike and wants a certain amount back from it.  PC 
> considers, then decides if the bike might sell with the owner's price in 
> mind plus some level of commission.  I could be wrong on that but I believe 
> that to be so.  I have also seen their prices lowered when things don't 
> sell over time.  My assumption has always been that the "owner" has agreed 
> to the drop in price hoping for a sale.
>
> Like I said, I could be wrong, but I was thinking Pro's Closet was, for 
> the most part, a place for consignments, hence some possible overhead in 
> pricing.
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> I've exchanged a couple eBay messages with The Pro's Closet in the past 
>> about some vintage parts. They're always courteous and give plenty of 
>> information. Their bikes and framesets occur to me as overpriced, but then 
>> again, it's hard to put a price tag on used bikes, and as people say here 
>> all the time, they're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. 
>>
>> This particular Atlantis has a really nice bunch of parts, and while it 
>> doesn't fit my wallet nor my skeletal structure, I'm envious of whoever 
>> ends up with it!
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Valerie Yates]

Roberta -- Your bike is gorgeous.  Great choice.  Love the bar tape.  

Following up on Bob's comments, I have and love my Joe and I have and love 
the B17 saddle on my drop bar bikes, but they did not work well together 
for me because the saddle is too narrow (for me) for the upright riding 
position I have on the Joe.  Like Bob suggests, I have a wider Brooks with 
springs (B67) on my Joe and I love it.  For me, the correct Brooks saddle 
is comfortable right away without a breaking in period. It just gets even 
better over time. 

Val in Boulder, CO





On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Hi Roberta,
>
> Which brings me to the last random comment and that is a bike set-up for 
> upright seating usually is helped by a slightly wider/supportive seat and 
> possibly even a very cool Brooks saddle with springs!   I know there are 
> probably anti-springs people, so I say that cautiously :>) , but I will say 
> a comfortable saddle, comfortable to and for and with *you*, is one of the 
> most important aspects of a bike.  If it keeps hurting you, I would talk 
> with the bike shop folks about a possible trade, though it could be fine 
> with some adjustment in tilt, saddle height, etc.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Valerie Yates]

Well, you don't sound too reluctant to see the Bombadil, so that's 
something. 

I wonder if a drop bar Appaloosa will make you happy. Has anyone been happy 
with that set-up? I love mine but feels very clearly an upright style bike. 
I feel on top of the world and can see forever when I ride it. I like drop 
bars fine on other bikes but, on an Appaloosa, it would be like buying a 
convertible and only ever driving it with the hard top. 

 
On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> But i have found a reluctance to sell every bike i've ever sold. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Valerie Yates]

Fun question. It sounds to me like you'd be happiest selling the Bombadi 
because it is too big for the kind of riding you'd like to do with it and 
the Sequoia because you don't love it.  I would not sell a bike I love even 
if overlaps with something else. You love the Romulus so I don't see why 
part with it. That seems a path of regrets. I have never regretted selling 
a bike I don't love. If you are not ready to sell the Sequoia this year, 
then wait on the Appaloosa until you are. If the Bombadil parts will work 
on the Appaloosa, then just sell the frame. 

Val in Boulder, CO



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell e-bike (conversion)

[Valerie Yates]

Joe - me too on mechanics. I've been learning bit by bit. It is really 
immersive and satisfying. 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> We're on the same page, Valerie, I like pedaling and I ride for fun. The 
> exercise is good, too, but I came to bicycles from being a car/motorcycle 
> guy, and have always been into it as much for the mechanical aspect of 
> bikes as for the riding itself (I taught myself how to work on them).
>
> My kitted Appaloosa is low-power/low-weight, and a good portion of those 
> rides is spent without using the button. My new  - and very off topic! - 
> mid-drive ebike is a pedelec like your setup, where you pedal with varying 
> levels of assist.. there's no throttle you can stab and just sail down the 
> road like a scooter. I prefer this "still a bicycle" style. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell e-bike (conversion)

[Valerie Yates]

Thanks for the welcome Joe. Since I do really like pedaling, my main 
hesitation was that it would feel like cheating. But I rationalize it by 
reminding myself that I ride for pleasure not for exercise. This is 
definitely a pleasure. I did wonder if it would ever arrive. It took 
exactly 3 years. I sent a few email inquiries over the years and they kept 
assuring me I would have one eventually.  A benefit of ordering early was 
that it was substantially less expensive than it is now. I still think it 
is worth it at the current price. It provides a really nice assist. 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:21:09 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Valerie: That's a neat bike (my apologies to Denmark for calling it "a 
> Dutch wheel"..I'm not very smart). It's nice to see the Copenhagen Wheel 
> finally hit the market; I imagine you were wondering if it would ever show 
> up. I'm on the fence about them making the thing in bright red, but it 
> looks perfect on your red Rosco. Welcome to The Cheater Rivs Club!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell e-bike (conversion)

[Valerie Yates]

I have the Roscoe with a Copenhagen Wheel 
that was featured in the 
blahg recently. It is fantastic. I wasn't really sure I wanted an e-bike 
but I had ordered the wheel a few years ago pre-production because it 
sounded like a cool idea. When it finally arrived, I didn't have a frame to 
put it on but the Red Roscoe frame looked perfect. I sent the wheel to 
Walnut Creek and they put this together 
for me. I 
have since changed the saddle and pedals to some I bought on this list 
(thanks Richard!) and also added a Wald medium basket in front and I have 
grocery baskets in back as needed.  

I love it. It is a fantastic combination. It is so much fun to ride - 
extremely intuitive and natural. I love that there aren't any battery backs 
or wires visible except what you see in the giant hub on the wheel. I've 
been inventing reasons I need to go run a quick errand by bike. The best 
part is that when you start off, you just go. It eliminates the few rounds 
of work to get the bike up to cruising speed. There are 3 levels of 
assistance: turbo, standard, and eco, that govern how much assist you get 
and also how long your battery will last. Standard is only about 30 miles. 
With eco, they say you might get up to 39. I have been mostly riding in 
standard mode because I live in a hilly neighborhood. Having the boost 
means any road feels flat. You can recharge the battery a little with the 
regenerative braking feature, which is actually fun to use when cruising to 
a stop. It also has an exercise mode if you prefer resistance. I would 
think that just having the wheel turned off would count as exercise since 
the wheel is 22 pounds.  I suppose that, once it is moving, perhaps the 
momentum would cancel that out. I haven't really tried it much without 
power. I keep thinking I should but then I turn it back on because it is 
really fun with it on and I am not a scientist. 

I would highly recommend the Copenhagen Wheel to anyone thinking they might 
enjoy some electric assistance and if its somewhat limited stats work for 
your needs. It comes in a small variety of wheel sizes and types.  It is 
expensive but the add-on kits I've seen are pretty pricey too. Because the 
wheel is so heavy, I think it makes sense to have a geared bike to 
accommodate pedaling without power if needed. Also, it is not really meant 
for rain, puddles, or rough terrain.

I also really love the Roscoe. Such a great deal for a frame. The Roscie 
decals and head badge make me smile like a kid. And it has lift-a-tube. 
Even without the C-wheel, I expect I will love this bike. With normal 
wheels, I imagine it would ride like my Appaloosa -- a bike that sails 
comfortably through whatever it encounters. The Roscoe seems like it might 
be a bit lighter and maybe stiffer but that could just be based on how I 
have them set up. And that could just be my imagination. Whatever it is, it 
feels terrific.



On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 4:14:36 PM UTC-7, A. Nostuh wrote:

> Anyone here try to turn their Riv into an e-Riv? How did it turn out?

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