RE: Moment of truth
Adrian Brown wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply Better late than never, eh? 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes (3 of them) 2) Does it work? All work, though my original SAM has a damaged PSU that produces a poor TV picture (but is fine thru SCART). 3) Do you still use it? Yes, but typically less than once a week. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? I'd guess around 20 full titles, plus demos, disk mags, etc. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Definitely, if the game was right too. I'd also buy *old* games for the SAM, if I could get hold of them!! 7) What price would be right if you would? Up to £10 would be in impulse buy range for me. £15+ would still be considered if it was something special. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I'm still throwing a few ideas around, but don't hold your breath - I never did complete that bloomin' PacMan game... 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? I'd help in any way I could, though it'd be hard to commit to very much - I still struggle to find quality time to work on SimCoupé. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Certainly not! It's just as valid a hobby as anything else. :-) 11) if yes to 10 then why? n/a Si
Re: Moment of truth
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:23:07 +, Stuart Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 10:11:53PM +, Nev Young wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? A non games title perhaps. Would you mind expanding on this, please? I'm struggling to find tasks that the SAM would be particularly good at doing. Well I remember some sam owners used them for running the company accounts, producing invoices, doing stock control, membership lists, payroll, video shop, book library. I even used the sam myself for doing all the work involved with SD Software where it did order processing, stock control, mailing records, printing address labels, proof of posting lists, accounts, royaltys, SW duplication, blah blah blah There were others too but I forget far too much. It's a pity as it was only last year I chucked out all the help page[1] letters I had, most of which were involved with some non games app or other. These would have given many more ideas. [1] yes I did keep all that crap from Nev's help page! -- Nev - please note that mail to nevilley@ will no longer work.
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:51:09 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM. http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)
When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! Luke -Original Message- From: Frode Tenneboe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 11:24 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:51:09 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM. http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)
Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track the current position of code and refer it back to a particular section of source, and automatically take you to that source. It's the kind of thing that only a tight level of integration between the tools (the assembler, the editor and the simulator) can really bring. What I want is to be able to set a break condition within the IDE, click debug and have the system automatically upload the code to SimCoupe, along with those break conditions (be they PC=nn, HL=nn, int0, NMI, (NN)=NN or whatever) and when that occurs SimCoupe automatically stops execution, passes the program counter back to the IDE and the IDE takes me to the code, and lets me check the values of registers from within the code, by (eg) hovering over the register (or memory pointers) in the source, as well as modifying registers and the stack. There'd also need to be a certain amount of cleverness to handle self-modifying code - perhaps the listing could show a disassembly of the current state next to the original (if it had changed)? I'd also want an include file with all the memory mappings, port addresses etc defined. Now if you can get all that, I'll consider writing a Sam game :) Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:07:17 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track the current position of code and refer it back to a particular section of source, and automatically take you to that source. You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. It's the kind of thing that only a tight level of integration between the tools (the assembler, the editor and the simulator) can really bring. I know. And tight integration = high complexity = manhours. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:53:34 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! I added it a year ago with ansi just in (well, since sourceforge CVS is down't I haven't been able to check that it's actually there yet). -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)
Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It simply increases the amount of time and effort you need to take. I know. And tight integration = high complexity = manhours. But tight integration = faster development = more software. It's an initial time investment which brings significant long-term benefits. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track the current position of code and refer it back to a particular section of source, and automatically take you to that source. But this could be taken the route SN Systems did and intergrated into MSDev say, this could then be AS ONE, but as Frode Said You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. , and I would agree 100%, and we could take MS Os as a point and say intergration helps, but also cause more issues etc!!!. I have done Gbc/Gba/ps1 now ps2 without any form of intergrated Debugger , it helps but not in everyday codding , only in starting out, however on the sam theres not much else that could be done , just maybe a little better n faster :) The Compiler in question works wonderfully , and it only takes a small Watcom (or any other maker) to get working I personnaly don't think simcoupe should have anything intregrated as then it would no longer be a emulator in it purest form, but then again that's not my call lmao Just my 1/2 p worth (not worth anymore than that lol) C -- Sig On -- Ppps. I know i can't spell and all my grammer is wrong , so there's no need to point it out :) -- Sig Off --
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But tight integration = faster development = more software. It's an initial time investment which brings significant long-term benefits. Geoff But I have to disagree here, the coding mostly takes less time than the GFX/Presentation etc, how will intergration help you with that ? By this I mean , if you have pages of TXT to enter , and the IDE is trying to set it out as source with tabs etc, remember the coder is only 1/5 of the whole development process (Designer,coder,Artist,musician,testers), and sometimes they are the same person !! This is just my experince , nothing more, intergration only helps to a point , after that it becomes a hinderence. And as for more software , first we need to create good software , how many more Fifa's can there be, next there will be versions everytime a play is injured pmsl. C -- Sig On -- Ppps. I know i can't spell and all my grammer is wrong , so there's no need to point it out :) -- Sig Off --
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:20:06 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It simply increases the amount of time and effort you need to take. I find it less anoying. :) And I don't concur in with your statement that more time and effort is involved. I know. And tight integration = high complexity = manhours. But tight integration = faster development = more software. Tight integration - less flexibility It's an initial time investment which brings significant long-term benefits. This is a claim I have never seen substantiated. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
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Frode wrote: This is a claim I have never seen substantiated. What's to substantiate? With separate systems I need to compile, upload the file somehow to the emulator, run the emulator, run the code. I then need to set up the debugger within the emulator to do exactly what I need (and depending on how much the code has changed since the last modification the breakpoints may all have moved), wait for my debugger to catch the condition, then figure out to which bit of code the debugger is pointing, then go back to my editor and find the code to which it refers. With an IDE, I can just hit run-debug and all the compilation is done, the upload is done, the running is done, all the breakpoints are moved automatically (and can be stored with the project, should I so wish) and as soon as a break condition is encountered the source is directly in front of me. How does that -not- save a lot of time? I remember when I used to write C using vi, gcc and gdb. The amount of effort involved in tracking down a bug compared to using VC++ was -huge-. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
Re: Moment of truth
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 12:18:26AM -, Adrian Brown wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply Sure. 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes. 2) Does it work? Yes, although I am worried about the disk drive. 3) Do you still use it? A little; I really need more disks. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Quite a few games, much of FRED, lots of random stuff. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? I'm afraid not. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes. 7) What price would be right if you would? I'd happily pay 5-10 pounds. For something special, I'd pay more. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I think I have some learning to do first, but yes. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? In any way that I could, yes. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? If people are learning and enjoying what they're doing, then no. -- Stuart Brady
Re: Moment of truth
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 10:11:53PM +, Nev Young wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? A non games title perhaps. Would you mind expanding on this, please? I'm struggling to find tasks that the SAM would be particularly good at doing. -- Stuart Brady
RE: Moment of truth
1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2) Does it work? Yes - although I aint used it in quite a while. It's up in the attic gathering dust. Make me an offer David - and I'll even return the games you loaned me! 3) Do you still use it? No need to - thanks to Sim Coupe. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Several main titles and a few bits and bobs, disk mags, etc. Although technically some of them are not actually mine - are they David? 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Only software. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Only if somebody has actually designed and programmed it by themselves. I wouldn't buy software where someone has acquired the copyright, but let's not get started on that one again (although I have noticed that nothing has happened since!) 7) What price would be right if you would? No more than a fiver. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I wouldn't mix business and pleasure. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? I couldn't. I spend far too much time in front of a computer already. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Nope - live and let live as they say. And a part of me thinks it's quite a romantic idea! _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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There seem to be two groups, those who want the same and keep using it, and those who have one sitting in a loft somewhere. For those in the latter group, are you willing to sell on some bits and pieces to those who are still using theirs? Sell them to a good home so to speak? Or are you keeping it for nostalgia reasons. There is quite alot of software / hardware im still after, and im sure other people are. A.
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There is quite alot of software / hardware im still after, and im sure other people are. Likewise... still a few gaps in my collection! Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Three of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now !
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mine's not in the loft, it's in a cupboard! :) The reason I haven't sold it, yet, is not just because of nostalgia and (collectable) reasons, but because I still may have a use for it in the future -- I love tinkering. One project of mine that keeps entering my head is a native SAM filesystem driver for Linux. Another is turning my SAM into a independant robot, sitting on a tracked chassis, connected to a 12 volt battery of sorts, with sensors galore. Add some intelligence. And with that new Compact Flash / ATOM interface of Colin's, it sounds like fantastic and brilliant storage system that doesn't need to involve hard and floppy drives... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Brown Sent: 15 January 2003 23:42 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Moment of truth There seem to be two groups, those who want the same and keep using it, and those who have one sitting in a loft somewhere. For those in the latter group, are you willing to sell on some bits and pieces to those who are still using theirs? Sell them to a good home so to speak? Or are you keeping it for nostalgia reasons. There is quite alot of software / hardware im still after, and im sure other people are. A.
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Hi All, Just time to answer the poll while the coffee is brewing and my workstation is compiling; and as you asked so politely: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: I did up until late last year when I gave it away to a good home with Andrew Collier. We were running out of space in the house (and loft), and what with a new kid on the way (Born Dec 22nd) and an iMac, something had to go :( 2) Does it work? Yes (See Andrew's mail) Although it always had a dodgy TV output so I bought a nice Philips CM8833 MKII. 3) Do you still use it? Unfortunately not - see above. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Quite a lot, pretty much all the software available up to Stratophere. I kept all the disks (or is that discs :) and plan to transfer them to CD rom so I can run them on SimCoupe on the Mac. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No - but its great to see Colin keeping up the good work. I don't honestly know how he manages to get it done together with a full time job. All I know is he either has no kids ot has devloped a Quazar time machine hooked up to the Borg! 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes - especially if it was a race game or a horizontal Shoot-em-up (R-Type anyone) as long as it was SimCoupe Compatible 7) What price would be right if you would? I guess it would depend on the quality, but anything under 25 pounds would be fine 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Oh for the time I would like to do some SimCouple development. I'm just glad Simon took up the challenge to bring the Emulator to maturity 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Sure. My Z80 is probably a bit rusty though :) 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Never, if only for the sake of history. My background in 8-bit machines (ZX81 ZX Spectrum and Sam) was a huge influence on my career choice. If only we could influence the next generation of kids to start coding for their machines. 11) if yes to 10 then why? NA Best regards, Allan -- +--+---+ | Allan Skillman | There are five flavours of resons, the | | Modeling Solutions Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +--+---+
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Hi, just my input: 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2 - One with Hard-disk the other no HD or diskettes 2) Does it work? Yes 3) Do you still use it? No - though I use the emulator a lot 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Lots 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? No 7) What price would be right if you would? See above 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I might 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? possibly 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No - The Sam is the best 8 bit machine - and the emulator running at 500% wow-just mind blowing 11) if yes to 10 then why? See above Ian
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Ian wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I might 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? possibly The Sam is the best 8 bit machine - and the emulator running at 500% wow-just mind blowing Mmm. Y'see, Cookie, we should have built that z8000 board. :) It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. Now that we have the emulator (thanks to Allan and Si) we have an opportunity to make an app which links in an assembler (together with an automated upload), a decent editor and an inline debugger. I know this would make me far more likely to write any Sam stuff, if only to test the debugger! Now I know this is quite a bit of work but we have a few advantages... 1. There must be open source z80 assemblers out there, so we can use one of those (Ian, I think you probably know which one is best?) 2. We have the source to SimCoupe already (and tbh, I doubt if this is the most complex part) 3. We have all these top programmers all itching to have a go to test it! :) Seriously, I think this is do-able. The difficulty would be developing the IDE, unless someone knows something I don't (is there an Open Source editor out there? we could rip that). Anyone else interested? Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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I wrote: It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. Sorry, I've just realised I'm being highly selfish in my windoze-centric world. It should (of course) be made cross-platform, if possible. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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In response to this I am just waiting to have a large enough house to set it up in; preferably away from squeaky toys and rattle type devices that get slobbered on by my sprog! I do, however, think there is a massive nostalgia streak in me that doesn't want to part with it. Let's face it; I grew up with my ZX Spectrum, and then SAM Coupe. It is on these devices I learnt how to program machine code (with Cookies help and the aid of the Z80 Assembly Language for absolute beginners book). BTW I still have my Spectrum, Interface 1 Microdrive, and Interface 2 with the funky ROM card games! Luke -Original Message- From: Adrian Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2003 23:42 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Moment of truth There seem to be two groups, those who want the same and keep using it, and those who have one sitting in a loft somewhere. For those in the latter group, are you willing to sell on some bits and pieces to those who are still using theirs? Sell them to a good home so to speak? Or are you keeping it for nostalgia reasons. There is quite alot of software / hardware im still after, and im sure other people are. A. ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
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This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM. Luke P.S.I would have bought the Z8000 board. I remember Cookie talking to me about this way back in the past. Bob Brenchley would have found a way to rubbish the whole idea no doubt. -Original Message- From: Geoff Winkless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 09:36 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) Ian wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I might 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? possibly The Sam is the best 8 bit machine - and the emulator running at 500% wow-just mind blowing Mmm. Y'see, Cookie, we should have built that z8000 board. :) It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. Now that we have the emulator (thanks to Allan and Si) we have an opportunity to make an app which links in an assembler (together with an automated upload), a decent editor and an inline debugger. I know this would make me far more likely to write any Sam stuff, if only to test the debugger! Now I know this is quite a bit of work but we have a few advantages... 1. There must be open source z80 assemblers out there, so we can use one of those (Ian, I think you probably know which one is best?) 2. We have the source to SimCoupe already (and tbh, I doubt if this is the most complex part) 3. We have all these top programmers all itching to have a go to test it! :) Seriously, I think this is do-able. The difficulty would be developing the IDE, unless someone knows something I don't (is there an Open Source editor out there? we could rip that). Anyone else interested? Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
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There are several free ide's available, there was one developed for the GBC which was a near z80 chip. Trouble is I still like using comet :D A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luke Trevorrow Sent: 16 January 2003 10:51 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM. Luke P.S.I would have bought the Z8000 board. I remember Cookie talking to me about this way back in the past. Bob Brenchley would have found a way to rubbish the whole idea no doubt. -Original Message- From: Geoff Winkless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 09:36 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) Ian wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I might 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? possibly The Sam is the best 8 bit machine - and the emulator running at 500% wow-just mind blowing Mmm. Y'see, Cookie, we should have built that z8000 board. :) It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. Now that we have the emulator (thanks to Allan and Si) we have an opportunity to make an app which links in an assembler (together with an automated upload), a decent editor and an inline debugger. I know this would make me far more likely to write any Sam stuff, if only to test the debugger! Now I know this is quite a bit of work but we have a few advantages... 1. There must be open source z80 assemblers out there, so we can use one of those (Ian, I think you probably know which one is best?) 2. We have the source to SimCoupe already (and tbh, I doubt if this is the most complex part) 3. We have all these top programmers all itching to have a go to test it! :) Seriously, I think this is do-able. The difficulty would be developing the IDE, unless someone knows something I don't (is there an Open Source editor out there? we could rip that). Anyone else interested? Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
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There are several free ide's available, there was one developed for the GBC which was a near z80 chip. Trouble is I still like using comet :D A. Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy and want it to fix my problems for me. How about an extension to it that automatically colourcodes known opcodes, EQUates and spelling mistakes? Just like they do with my C compiler.-Tob
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Now Harddrives are available it does make sense to have a new assembler that correctly produces object files etc as it can use the hd for these (floppy disk would have been too slow) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tobermory Sent: 16 January 2003 11:23 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) There are several free ide's available, there was one developed for the GBC which was a near z80 chip. Trouble is I still like using comet :D A. Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy and want it to fix my problems for me. How about an extension to it that automatically colourcodes known opcodes, EQUates and spelling mistakes? Just like they do with my C compiler.-Tob
RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)
Geoff Winkless wrote: It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. I've used something called Assembly Studio 8X (http://asmstudio.acz.org/) a few times and found it quite nice. By default its output files have a special header (for use by some sort of Texas Instruments calculator) but I hacked together an output plugin for producing just the pure code. Now that we have the emulator (thanks to Allan and Si) we have an opportunity to make an app which links in an assembler (together with an automated upload), a decent editor and an inline debugger. Automatic upload from Assembly Studio 8X would be a possibility as it has on output plugin system. Just thought I'd throw that in as something to start from. Windows only though :-/ Dave.
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Dave Laundon wrote: Automatic upload from Assembly Studio 8X would be a possibility as it has on output plugin system. Looks neat. The plugin stuff is cute - we could define all the SAM headers and pretend it's a type of calculator ;-) However I was hoping we could go to the level of integrating the debugger with the source editor - so you can step through the -source- line-by-line. For that, we're either going to have to write our own or have access to source. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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I wrote: For that, we're either going to have to write our own or have access to source. *doh* I've also decided to make the source code available under the GNU General Public License. It will compile under Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 (service pack 2 or higher). I'll take a look, it might be pretty perfect. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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Geoff Winkless wrote: *doh* I've also decided to make the source code available under the GNU General Public License. It will compile under Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 (service pack 2 or higher). I'll take a look, it might be pretty perfect. Cool :-) I missed that when I had a quick peek at the site earlier. It's been a while since I last looked. You can get the pure-code output plugin here http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.laundon/asmplug.zip Dave.
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5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No - but its great to see Colin keeping up the good work. I don't honestly know how he manages to get it done together with a full time job. All I know is he either has no kids ot has devloped a Quazar time machine hooked up to the Borg! Unfortunately I don't have a time machine :/ If only.! 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes - especially if it was a race game or a horizontal Shoot-em-up (R-Type anyone) I really have to find time to look at my race game again after the response it got when I stuck info about it in issue 2 of Sam Revival from when I started work on it donkeys years ago. I need that time machine! Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Three of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now !
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Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy and want it to fix my problems for me. How about an extension to it that automatically colourcodes known opcodes, EQUates and spelling mistakes? Just like they do with my C compiler.-Tob Colourcoding would be very nice - it's so useful in things like Visual Studio, MPLAB and textpad which I use day in day out at my work, and if it could be added to Comet that would be very interesting indeed. Although only 2 extra colours would be possible in MODE 3 along with the black and white, it could still be used quite effectively. Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Three of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now !.
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There seem to be two groups, those who want the same and keep using it, and those who have one sitting in a loft somewhere. For those in the latter group, are you willing to sell on some bits and pieces to those who are still using theirs? Sell them to a good home so to speak? Or are you keeping it for nostalgia reasons. Mine isn't for sale - I'm waiting it being worth thousands. Or alternativally, I'm awaiting the mythical future house with study large enough to contain my (not over big) collection of computers, when I might fiddle again. It got boxed when I moved house, and never unboxed again I do live in the still play with SimCoupé camp though. Tim
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Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: 2) Does it work? 3) Do you still use it? 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? 7) What price would be right if you would? 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Technically yes - but looking for a working one! 2) Does it work? No - hence above! 3) Do you still use it? No - see 1+2 - use the emulator a lot however ... will use the real thing more soon! 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Quite a few - some purchased recently! 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes! 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I will ! 7) What price would be right if you would? Up to 25-30 quid for Chrome! Anything else - on its merits 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I'm too thick to code... but if i could, i would 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? See 8 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Not for those who appreciate it! 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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Thanks for the quick reply :D - whats wrong with your sam? Colin Piggot does repairs, i have a few spares as well. I hate to see a sam go to waste :D A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sent: 15 January 2003 00:31 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Moment of truth - Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Technically yes - but looking for a working one! 2) Does it work? No - hence above! 3) Do you still use it? No - see 1+2 - use the emulator a lot however ... will use the real thing more soon! 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Quite a few - some purchased recently! 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes! 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I will ! 7) What price would be right if you would? Up to 25-30 quid for Chrome! Anything else - on its merits 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I'm too thick to code... but if i could, i would 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? See 8 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Not for those who appreciate it! 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth Thanks for the quick reply :D - whats wrong with your sam? Colin Piggot does repairs, i have a few spares as well. I hate to see a sam go to waste :D Mines pretty buggered (technical term - no smarty comments ;) - so a new machine is probably the only safe bet... :( I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a good deal.
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cant be that bad :) - the worst bit (other than the main chips) is the keyboard membrane - i use the keyboard interface to solve that problem :D But there are some good deals pop up now and then :) A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sent: 15 January 2003 00:46 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Moment of truth - Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth Thanks for the quick reply :D - whats wrong with your sam? Colin Piggot does repairs, i have a few spares as well. I hate to see a sam go to waste :D Mines pretty buggered (technical term - no smarty comments ;) - so a new machine is probably the only safe bet... :( I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a good deal.
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Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2 2) Does it work? Yes Both 3) Do you still use it? Nope 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? About 30 Titles 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Nope 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Nope 7) What price would be right if you would? See above lol 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Maybe , but would take something I really wanted to do 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? If I could yes 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No, peeps will do what they want and if it makes them happy so be it 11) if yes to 10 then why? Cause peeps should do what they please with their time Just curious :D
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From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth cant be that bad :) - the worst bit (other than the main chips) is the keyboard membrane - i use the keyboard interface to solve that problem :D But there are some good deals pop up now and then :) A. It got rather fried with a major power supply problem... and resulted in a lot of cooked chips :( - and no tomato sauce either!
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Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2) Does it work? Yes 3) Do you still use it? Occasionally, on retro evenings/parties 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Loads, mainly PD though 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not really 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? If it's less than £5, maybe. 7) What price would be right if you would? = £5 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Not unless someone's got a sam C compiler ;) 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Fraid not - not enough spare time 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? It's admirable, even wacky, but if it keeps a community happy, then it can't really be a waste of time... 11) if yes to 10 then why? Because the purple frog told us to? Just curious :D -- _ _ _a' /( . # Gaz Wilson, aka DragonLord /_/ _ _/ / ` / _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) # E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ /_'/_/ /_, / /_||/|/ \(,_(,)' # Info: http://www.dragons.org.uk Catch me with the Dragons. ._, _, # Chat: http://www.redclaw.org.uk/
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1) Yes. 2) I beleive so. 3) Not for a long time. 4) A few. Mostly Soundbyte, PD, and Pro-DOS stuff, though. 5) Nope. 6) Probably not, unless it's really something special. 7) Depends on the game 8) Lack of time with a few other out-of-work projects. 9) Depends on the project and personal time. 10) Hell, no. If it keeps people off the streets, and all that... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Brown Sent: 15 January 2003 00:18 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: 2) Does it work? 3) Do you still use it? 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? 7) What price would be right if you would? 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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Hi Adrian. A very good idea this poll Adrian Brown schrieb: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: 2 SAM Coupe (one for replacement parts), one Elite 2) Does it work? With harddisk(s) and CD-ROM better than any PC :-) 3) Do you still use it? At the moment daily. And if I work on PC, I hear CDs or MOD files via SAM. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Masses. PD and Originals. I am a collector. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Off course... 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I will and I do, if there are any. As games on Soundbytes, for example. 7) What price would be right if you would? Depends on the software. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Yes, but ONLY as PD. The SAM is my hobby, I am an enthusiast. And however - I am not a good programmer and less a grafic artist. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Why not? I still dream about to create a game after the boardgame Risk (if this is known in Britain). 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Never! It´s waste of time, NOT to support the SAM. And we could reach more, if there were more software stuff for the SAM (in any price class and quality). A computer stands and falls with the ability to get software! 11) if yes to 10 then why? Maybe because of the endless thinking about how to make money with the wasted time Just curious :D As mentioned, a good idea to ask! Wolfgang Spectrum and SAM Profi Club Cologne
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Adrian Brown wrote 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Not sure. (!!) If I could brave the ex-girlfriend's father, probably :) 2) Does it work? It did last time I saw it. That was about 7 years ago though :) 3) Do you still use it? No. Play with the emulator sometimes though. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? As regards paid-for stuff, as many of the Enigma releases as I could afford on my paperround (at the time I felt it was only fair to support any commercial effort) so Defenders Of The Earth, Sphera, Sam Strikes Out (and the game that came with it, can't remember...) then Lerm's SamTape, a few FORMATs and a couple of FREDs, the Sam Newsdisks... Apart from that, stuff I've downloaded from nvg, mainly. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Nah. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Nah. 7) What price would be right if you would? n/a. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Unlikely. It's a lot of work doing something like that and the scene simply isn't large enough to warrant it. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? It depends. If someone was having a specific problem with coding or an algorithm which I know something about, yes, but I wouldn't, say, take on a chunk of coding in a project type way. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No, of course not. If people are interested in it, it's no more a waste of time than any other hobby. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: YES 2) Does it work? YES 3) Do you still use it? YES 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? 10 or so 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? YES 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? YES 7) What price would be right if you would? no more then 10 USD 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? NOPE 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? YES 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? NO WAY 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D Jorge Canelhas - Are u a retro computing fan ? check : http://www.retroreview.com
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Title: RE: Moment of truth 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes. 2) Does it work? Yes. (though the DD whines) 3) Do you still use it? No! 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Every single FRED, WATERWORKS 12, TNT, SAMPaint, LEMMINGS and some others. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? No. 7) What price would be right if you would? N/A 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? No. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Graphically, yes. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Yes, but none-the-less very admirable and heart-warming. 11) if yes to 10 then why? Well, duh! Graham
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Adrian Brown wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2 (with box), and 2 pcb's from which one is working 2) Does it work? Only one has no keyboard problems 3) Do you still use it? Its sitting right next to my C128D, PC and Amiga 4000, and sometimes gets switched on ;-) 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Haven't counted, the disks came with the SAM's I bought. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Absolutely, I'll buy one of Colins' keyboard adapters soon 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I might... Depends on the game. 7) What price would be right if you would? €15 maximum... 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I can't program, sorry. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? If possible, yes. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No, the same could be said for all retro-hardware, how can people's hobbies be a waste? 11) if yes to 10 then why? --- Just curious :D Yes you are! :-p
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2) Does it work? Last time I powered it up it did 3) Do you still use it? No 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Lots. Most of the commercial games, several disc boxes of PD stuff, almost all bought from the All Formats Computer Fair in Victoria back when the Sam was new. I did get some from eBay a year or so ago though. A large box of Sam bits and bobs for about 20 quid, included the C compiler :-) 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not really, although I do occasional search on eBay when I happen to be looking on it and remember. I added an Atom drive, ram upgrade and mouse about 2 years ago when I had a spree of looking at it again, but nothing since. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Probably not. 7) What price would be right if you would? 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Nope. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Nope. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Not at all. The Sam is a small but very interesting part of the UK 8-bit computer era, it's great that people still chat about it and do things with it. 11) if yes to 10 then why? Cheers, Steve
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1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Two of, one main one and a spare to raid for parts. 2) Does it work? They both do, although I think one of the PSU's is dead now. 3) Do you still use it? Not really - a lack of desk space has relegated it to the cupboard along with the Atari ST I found in the loft when we moved :-) 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Quite a lot really if you include the PD stuff, plenty of games brought with cash accrued from working at the local shop in the early 90's 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yeah, sort of - I need to get a subscription to Colin's mag as I could do with re-boxing one of my Sam's (the Sam PSU isn't up to driving everything on it really) but the stumbling block is getting an RGB - VGA converter, there are plenty of Composite/S-Video converters out there but I really need to use the RGB outputs so that MODE3 8x6 is readable. I imagine you'd only need something to generate a higher sync rate so that the monitor could show it, After a brief search on t'interweb Ive found this gizmo http://www.keene.co.uk/cgi-bin/codesearch.pl?SBBVGA but it's 95 quid :-( But it would mean that I can add it to my desk without having to find room for the extra screen and use my nice shiny Iiyama monitor to boot. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Probably 7) What price would be right if you would? Dunno, under 20 quid would not cause any problems. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Not really applicable :-) 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Morally if not actually. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Not a chance - so long as there are people who get enjoyment out of the machine or the user base that surrounds it. Dan. -- Dan Dooré Technical Specialist - LAN Direct Line Group Services Direct Line Group Services Limited, registered in England no.3001989, registered office 3 Edridge Road, Croydon, Surrey, CR9 1AG. The following are also members of the Direct Line group of companies: Direct Line Insurance plc, a member of the General Insurance Standards Council and Direct Line Life Insurance Company Limited and Direct Line Unit Trusts Limited, both regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Loans, Mortgages, Credit Cards and Savings provided by Direct Line Financial Services Limited, registered in England number 2372702, registered office 3 Edridge Road, Croydon, Surrey, CR9 1AG. All are members of The Royal Bank of Scotland Group. This e-mail is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you should notify us immediately and delete it. You should not copy, print, distribute, disclose or use any part of it. We reserve the right to monitor and record all electronic communications through our networks. We cannot accept any liability for viruses transmitted via this e-mail once it has left our networks.
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Adrian Brown wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes, three in fact. 2) Does it work? One of them died some time ago, in an unfortunate incident involving a 27V power supply line. It's sat in my parent's loft at the moment, and every so often it gets a spare part or two swapped out of it. I doubt very much in it works any more. The other two (one of which was Allan Skillman's) are fine, except for my disk drive which seems to have worn out (it sounds like the drive band is slipping, and the drive never quite gets up to speed. If I hold the entire machine vertically, it occasionally manages to load something). The other machine's drive seems fine, but it doesn't want to read any of my disks, even the ones which the other Sam did manage to load (quite happy with ones it formatted itself though). 3) Do you still use it? Unfortunately I don't really have a lot of spare time, so I haven't used my Sam very much at all in the last couple of years. I ought to take a look at that disk drive though, I want to archive all my Sam disks before they get unreadable by anything else. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Most of them :) 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not so much. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I'm not sure. 7) What price would be right if you would? Well, these days, a new game is cheap if it costs less than thirty quid... Then again, I don't think a Sam game would be in the same league as what new PC and Mac titles are doing. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? There is a program which I've started, and would like to finish. Some components of it are already prepared. But there is a different project that I'm working on outside work hours, which is sucking all my spare time at the moment and, to be honest, will be seen and (hopefully) enjoyed by a lot more people. Maybe when I've finished that I'll go back to my Sam project and finish it. But I doubt I'll start another one after that. There are too many different things I'd like to do and I don't have time to start them all. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Is that a leading question? :) I'd be happy to support someone by giving hints and tips, answering questions on this list and such. I don't think I could commit to writing code toward a project. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No, I think it's great that people remember the Sam, and although (for me) there are other projects which now take a higher priority, I wish I had more time myself so that I could put into ways to keep the concept of the Sam alive. I think I will always remember it as being the machine which really got me interested (and trained) in programming, and in some ways has had quite a direct effect on the direction my career has taken since. Andrew -- ---Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- r2+ T4* cSEL dMS hEn/CBBL A4 S+*++ C$++L/mP W- a-- Vh+seT+ (Cantab) 1.1.4
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1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yep 2) Does it work? Yep! 3) Do you still use it? Yep - every day mate 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? About 30 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes, though I can't afford em. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes, as many as come out. Marketing tip: I could buy 6 games at £5 but not one game at £25. It's because I buy on a whim, and £25 is big enough to save. Sorry Quasar. 7) What price would be right if you would? Less than £10. I think there should be more free code and totally free games. It's more fun than you think. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Yes, though I'd rather go for lots of little stuff - people's 'projects' are too big for them to cope with. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Just say the word - www.cookingcircle.co.uk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? It's a hobby! Get stuff done but don't get divorced because of it. My dad's a morris dancer. /NONSEQUITUR People should stop seeing the SAM as a failed way to make a living, it's a lifestyle choice. You code on 8-bit machines because it's fun, and you'll meet some other geeks. :)
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1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes, a couple. 2) Does it work? One does after a major repair job from Mr Piggot, the other is in need of a little attention, which it will get soon hopefully. 3) Do you still use it? Yes, it's on my desk and I recently bought a nice little telly for it. I don't use it half as much as I'd like to though. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Loads. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes indeedy. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes. 7) What price would be right if you would? No idea. At the end of the day, it's not like we've a huge number of things to buy for the SAM anymore (although Colin's doing his best to change that!) so price isn't hugely important. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? I never had the talent to finish a software project on the SAM and these days I program for Mac OS X and Windows (and possibly RISC OS...). I was sort of thinking of prototyping a game I'm working on, using SAM BASIC. Then I got into the way of thinking that I might just finish a SAM version, if I can get someone to work on the graphics. So I guess the answer is yes. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Doubt I could be much help and doubt I'd have the time. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Absolutely not. It's like people who complain about prices on eBay - it's the buyer's choice to pay the price and if it's worth the price to him/her, who is to say otherwise? I think it's great that there are still a few people working on the SAM and it seems to me that since Colin's mag started, there's been an increasing interest. Gavin
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On Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 2:03 pm, Andrew Collier wrote: my parent's loft Ahem. Sorry - parents' Before Ian says anything. Andrew -- ---Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- r2+ T4* cSEL dMS hEn/CBBL A4 S+*++ C$++L/mP W- a-- Vh+seT+ (Cantab) 1.1.4
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On Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 2:03 pm, Andrew Collier wrote: my parent's loft Ahem. Sorry - parents' Before Ian says anything. Andrew Ouch! You'll never get into the Booker Prize shortlist! -H
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Andrew C wrote: Before Ian says anything. Elder siblings, huh? Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
Re: Moment of truth -- Database?
This sort of information is great for people who still want to do stuff community-wise on the SAM. Would SAM Community like to add it to its original database (I recall the questions were quite similar??) and publish on its website?
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes, 2 of them and some spare parts 2) Does it work? 1 works, the other one is a bit knackered after almost 12 years. 3) Do you still use it? Not on a daily basis. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Dunno, loads.. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Yes, recently bought the PC keyboard interface from Collin Piggot. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? I guess so, but it is a hard to answer question, if there is a market, i guess i would, but if someone is only going to sell 2 copies at 29.95 pounds . 7) What price would be right if you would? See the above... 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Martijn and I still develop much idea's, the actual development on the other hand, errhm 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? See the above 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? A complete waste of time, but oh... spending time on the Sam is like a day on the beach. 11) if yes to 10 then why? See the above. Robert van der Veeke Currently listening to: Battle Royale - OST Tomo: Say I'm a moron in English. Kagura: I'm.. a... supaa baka Tomo: Yep, that's right, you are! -- Azumanga Daioh -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10-1-2003
RE: Moment of truth
Here we go -Original Message- From: Adrian Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2003 00:18 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Moment of truth Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2) Does it work? Yes 3) Do you still use it? Once a year it comes down from the loft 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Loads 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Now and again 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Possibly 7) What price would be right if you would? £10 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? If I could I would. Get me a C compiler and a Child Minder. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Definitely 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No way 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
Re: Moment of truth -- Database?
This sort of information is great for people who still want to do stuff community-wise on the SAM. Would SAM Community like to add it to its original database (I recall the questions were quite similar??) and publish on its website? It's probably not much use as that was a good 2 or 3 years ago now. Might be more useful if Colin asked his subber's to fill in a similar questionnaire. Gavin
RE: Moment of truth
1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yep. 2) Does it work? It did the last time I turned it on - over a year ago. 3) Do you still use it? See answer to question 2... 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Most of it. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Probably not. 7) What price would be right if you would? See answer to question 6... 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? No. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? As long as it was only providing advice and not having to do anything that takes longer than 5 minutes... 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No. 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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Just had a read through the all the mail on the list after returning from work, and I guess it's my turn to answer some of Adrian's questions! 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes... Seven of the little blighters! (plus two extra duff mobos) 2) Does it work? All do... I have my main sam, one I use for testing hardware on (what I call my 'Borg' Sam has it has had so many modifications and things plugged into it!) , one mobo is in the Sam in a Can, but unfortunately one of the other mobo's soundchip's melted :/ 3) Do you still use it? I think that is a definite yes! Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Three of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now !
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Tobermory wrote: 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Yes, as many as come out. Marketing tip: I could buy 6 games at £5 but not one game at £25. It's because I buy on a whim, and £25 is big enough to save. Sorry Quasar. It's a good job then I don't have any games at £25, or plan to release any near that price! Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Three of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now !
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Might as well join in... 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Not anymore :-( 2) Does it work? 3) Do you still use it? Very rarely, by emulator. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Loads - most of the commercial games, every fred and a load of other stuff (SAM Supp, SCAC etc) 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No, although I'm interested in what is released 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? No 7) What price would be right if you would? 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Loads of cacky SCADS games left unfinished in my disc box somewhere - that was the extent of my 'programming knowledge' 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? If it was ideas, fine. Anything technical and I'm lost. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Probably, but it's nice that people still care and great to see people still getting use out of the SAM. Nowt wrong with hobbies, as others have said. 11) if yes to 10 then why? peacelovekisses ___ Johnna Teare w: www.johnnateare.co.uk e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, here's my answers incase anyone is interested! Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes - 4 to be precise. (2 in the loft and 2 in my room) 2) Does it work? Three function perfectly, and one has a dodgy TV output. 3) Do you still use it? Erm, not at the moment. I simply don't have much free time at the moment. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Not sure of exact amounts, but I have a huge chest full of stuff, and I seem to recall purchasing every FRED title available (I'm sure Colin M will back me up if he's reading!) 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not really. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Obviously, it would depend what genre of game it was. 7) What price would be right if you would? I honestly don't think I would be willing to pay more than ?15.00. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? If I could program a SAM in a professional manner then yes, but I've always been more of a publications person! 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? If someone could find a use for me, yes I think I would. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No, as there are plenty of people out there who still email me via my site to say 'Wow didn't realise the SAM was still supported'. I've actually managed to get a few people interested again. 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D Bye for now! Stewart http://www.sam-coupe.co.uk
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1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yup, a few - maybe two or three. 2) Does it work? Yes. 3) Do you still use it? Nope - use Sim coupe once in a while though. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Most of them I think. And I'll back up Mr Skardon's claim ;) 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No - but keep an interest in what's going on. Hence replying to this... 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Price wouldn't matter - if it was interesting then I'd get it. 7) What price would be right if you would? N/A 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Would love to do something, ressurrect Fred or similar, but only if I didn't have to work for a living as well! 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Same. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? Nope - fully agree with ChrisW, if people want to do it, great. 11) if yes to 10 then why? Just curious :D
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Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes. 2) Does it work? Yes. 3) Do you still use it? Not really. Once or twice a year maybe. Simcoupe has made me lazy. 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Several of the commercial games (although some shameful omissions), FREDs from 57 onwards, loads of Soundbytes and other Quazar related stuff (Colin - I /will/ resubscribe eventually, honest...) and a few odds and sods. 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not really. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? Possibly. 7) What price would be right if you would? Well it's not going to happen very often so it probably wouldn't matter. 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Probably not. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? I would help develop something, yes. Probably only with programming though. 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? 11) if yes to 10 then why? Most likely, but that doesn't mean I would want it to end. :-) Dave Laundon.
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1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes 2) Does it work? Last time I tried - Yes. 3) Do you still use it? No 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? Half a dozen games, a couple of bits of utility, lots of Fred 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? No 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? No 7) What price would be right if you would? N/A 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? Probably not 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? Probably not (though more likely than 8) 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? No Tim
Re: Moment of truth
- Original Message - From: Stewart Skardon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: RE: Moment of truth 2) Does it work? Three function perfectly, and one has a dodgy TV output. Do you want to sell this one at all Pls? Thanks!
Re: Moment of truth
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:18:26 -, Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: I have 3 or 4 complete ones somewhere and loads of bits. 2) Does it work? Last time I looked they did. 3) Do you still use it? no :-( 4) How many bits of sam software have you got? dozens 5) Do you still actively seek new sam bits and pieces? Not to acquire, but am interested in knowing what's out there. 6) Would you buy a new game for the sam coupe if the price was right? No - I'm not a games player type of guy. 7) What price would be right if you would? Free :-) 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? A non games title perhaps. 9) Would you help develop a title for the sam? possibly 10) Do you think that all the work put in to keep the sam alive is a waste of time? All of life is a waste of time, so let us waste it was we see fit. 11) if yes to 10 then why? see 10. -- Nev - please note that mail to nevilley@ will no longer work.
