[scifinoir2] Re: My new man crush: Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr.

[tdemorsella]

Maybe they are grooming him for his own show

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
>
> I'm on the late show but Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. is hosting the Ed 
> Show this week on MSNBC.  IMHO a significant upgrade.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
> >
> > I've got a new man crush.  His name is Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. and 
> > although he has a long footprint - he has been around since the Clinton 
> > Administration, I first became aware of him when he recently guest hosted 
> > Keith Olbermann's MSNBC show.  As of late, Mr. O'Donnell has been all over 
> > MSNBC, particularly "The Morning Joe" program and, to my admittedly biased 
> > ear, he is the only pragmatic and reasoned voice in popular media today. 
> > 
> > O'Donnell, an Emmy-Award winning producer and writer for the NBC series 
> > "West Wing," is renown for his aggressive debate style.  He once shouted 
> > "liar!" over and over again at Swift Boat Spokesperson John O'Neill and for 
> > shouting at fellow panelist Cathy Seipp on the issue of public education 
> > and teachers.
> > 
> > O'Donnell refers to himself as a "pragmatic European socialist" but more 
> > tellingly, "Morning Joe" Scarborough delights in frequently calling him 
> > "crazy" which informs me that O'Donnell must be the most honest white man 
> > in America.
> > 
> > ~rave!
> >
>

[RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list

[tdemorsella]

Belated thanks!  All is well.  Setting my machine back up.  I hope to be yaking 
with you guys in a few days

Tracey

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> May all be well for you, Tracey! If there's anything we can do, you know 
> where we live.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
> 
 Date : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:42 -
> 
 From : "tdemorsella" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
Hey Keith:
> 
> Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My 
> computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me
> 
> Tracey
> 
> Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> >
> > true! 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> > Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) 
> > From : Keith Johnson  
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman 
> > in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Omari Confer" 
> > To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? 
> > 
> > c w m is the answer 
> > - 
> > wlrouge< wlrouge@ > wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? 
> > --Lavender 
> > 
> > From: Keith Johnson 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > 
> > Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots 
> > to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: "The game has 
> > rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back" 
> > and then, Slap "I changed my mind" 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "C.W. Badie" < astromancer2002@ > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > 
> > Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put 
> > of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my 
> > racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, 
> > dude! 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter < truthseeker013@ > wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker013@ > 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM 
> > 
> > Which way to the super-cold showers? 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> > Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> > Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) 
> > From : Keith Johnson 
> > To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> > 
> > Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so 
> > representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where 
> > skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. 
> > 
> > But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not 
> > more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android 
> > beauty in "What Are Little Girls Made of?", with that eye-catching work 
> > suit...the three ladies in "Mudd's Women", wh

[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list

[tdemorsella]

Hey Keith:

Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you.  My computer 
crashed and I no longer have your contact info.  Can you call me

Tracey

Hey fam.  Sorry about that.  It is an emergency

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> true! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson  
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in 
> a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Omari Confer" 
> To: wlro...@..., scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? 
> 
> c w m is the answer 
> - 
> wlrouge< wlro...@... > wrote: 
> 
> I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? 
> --Lavender 
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to 
> give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: "The game has rules. I 
> protest, and you come back. You didn't come back" 
> and then, Slap "I changed my mind" 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "C.W. Badie" < astromancer2...@... > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of 
> the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial 
> memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM 
> 
> Which way to the super-cold showers? 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson 
> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> 
> Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative 
> of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, 
> anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. 
> 
> But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not 
> more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android 
> beauty in "What Are Little Girls Made of?", with that eye-catching work 
> suit...the three ladies in "Mudd's Women", who have their beauty enhanced 
> when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black 
> hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met 
> Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus 
> effect Trek often used on womenYvonne "Batgirl" Craig's, lithe, 
> gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl 
> Marta in "Whom Gods Destroy"...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as "Kurok") 
> marries in "The Paradise Syndrome" who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You 
> know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's 
> worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up 
> nowadays. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "C.W. Badie" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the 
> chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! 
> 
> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: 
> 
> From: Adrianne Brennan 
> Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM 
> 
> I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D 
> 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
> http://www.adrianne brennan.com 
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne 
> br

[scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan

[tdemorsella]

Well put Bosco.  I could not have said it better.  There were choices that were 
made that I did not agree with, but that did not take away from the story.  
These were his choices to make and his story to tell.  He told HIS story well.  
I remember being in this place with Battlestar and their decision to make 
Starbuck a woman and Tigh White.  While I still think that moore has some 
issues with Blacks and screwed up the finale,  he told his story well and the 
casting decisions proved to good ones.

I think Abrams bristles at some of the hardcore trekkers/trekkies reactions and 
sometimes goes out of his way to alienate them in his interviews and some of 
the marketing.  I also think that some of that dynamic in going on with his 
bizarro relationship with Shatner.  I like Shatner, but he sometimes does 
appear to have some type of Star Trek god complex going on.  If Abrams is the 
type of person who does not brush off his shoulders when outsiders tell him 
they think he is wrong, then that might explain some of his actions.  I think 
Shatner going public with his crusade to be on the show, guaranteed his fate.  
It was tacky and idiotic to take the casting issue to the public.  

I too found that a tremendous amount of work and care went into breathing life 
into a dying franchise, by evolving it into something new, a wonderful hybrid 
of new and old,while staying true to some many of the aspects that are 
important to trekkies.  I was home again.  I saw flaws, but overall after years 
of missteps with Trek films over the last decade or so, (First Contact being 
the exception) Abrams delivered the goods.  I also saw improvements.  In my 
mind, I hated that Uhuru, Sulu, Scotty and Chekov were glorified extras. I see 
potential for more character development with their characters.  In a way, 
there was more character development for them in two hours than in the entire 
three years the series was on.  Showing more of the internal batter with being 
both human and vulcan was also an interesting move in my opinion.

Just remember, two years ago, we did not know if or when there would be a new 
trek film or show. Now, thanks to Abrams, we  have Trekkers 2.0 with new fans 
that are hooked on the Trek mythology.  We are likely to have guaranteed at 
least a decade of trek films and there is a Trek series in the works with a 
really good producer with great scifi production credentials. we also will 
likely see even more scifi movie productions.  

With all the money that will be made, if there are ways to keep production 
casts down, networks will open up again to more scifi series.

The man gave us a gift.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
> Keith
> 
> One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up 
> front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek 
> Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not 
> lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly because it's not. It's not 
> lazy. It's just not what you want. It's clear that a tremendous amount of 
> research, thought and work went into this film. Because Abrams made choices 
> you would not have does not make him a lazy story teller.
> 
> I have always loved science fiction because it creates other possibilities 
> and amazing worlds
> of "what if." The constraints of reality have always been cast away for 
> better story telling. That's exactly what the new Trek film DOES WELL!!!
> 
> I've also made no secret of late that one of the things I love about the new 
> Trek Film is the way it INFURIATES the Trek nerds. It's freakin awesome that 
> it has been so successful, so good and produced a reaction so strong. 
> Indicative, I think, that Abrams got it EXACTLY right in order to breathe 
> life into the franchise. Let's face it, it WAS DEAD, Jim. The fact that some 
> of the older generation of Trek fans can't let go of the bloated corpse of
> what was, simply makes me giggle. I'm sorry for your loss but unless some 
> "Trekditionalists" get a bunch of funds together to make another in long line 
> of generally subpar science fiction films, it's Abrams world now and we're 
> just visiting. Time to find a way to move on.
> 
> Bosco
> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William 
> Shatner Or Khan
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: ggs...@..., cinque3...@...
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:52 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like "The 
> old continuity was restrictive" , it angers me. That's just lazy film making. 
> The Trek universe spans five series, ten movies, and --including "enterprise" 
> --about two centuries. You're telling me he couldn't find something in *all 
> that* to fuel new, action-driven stories? He coul

[scifinoir2] Re: Knowing

[tdemorsella]

Hey James:  
Welcome to the list.  Aren't all Cage Scifi Movies Disaster's lately.  I'm so 
disappointed.  The wig doers not help his cause either.  

Sorry... I'm just being catty.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "James Nelson Smith"  
wrote:
>
> Just watchec a sneak preview of the new Nicholas Cage film, "Knowing".  It is 
> a SF disaster movie for all intents and purposes, but somewhere along the 3/4 
> mark, I started to get a very strange sense of deja vu about where the 
> filmmakers where going with it.  To go any further before the movie 
> officially opens would have to include spoilers, but I encourage everyone to 
> catch a matinee, and then discuss how this movie went so wrong (at least from 
> my perspective).
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Blu-ray's Fuzzy Future - get ready for TV downloads

[tdemorsella]

heh, heh  :)

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> Object lesson here, gentlefolk?
> 
> Never jump into the big, showy limo with all of the bells and
whistles, because a *better* limo is just around the corner.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2]
Blu-ray's_Fuzzy_Future__-_get_ready_for_TV_downloads
> 
 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:54:00 -0800
> 
 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
 To : , "CINQUE " ,
,   "'Chris de Morsella'" ,"'paul
demorsella'" 
> 
> 
January 5, 2009
> 
> 
> Blu-ray's Fuzzy Future 
> 
> 
> By MATT RICHTEL
> 
> ndex.html?inline=nyt-per> and BRAD STONE
> 
> ex.html?inline=nyt-per> 
> 
> The biggest news at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas last
January
> was not the birth of a new product but the death of one.
> 
> A decision by Warner Brothers
> 
> ment_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org> to withdraw support for the HD DVD
> video disc format sent shock waves through the electronics industry and
> appeared to hand the future of home entertainment to Blu-ray, a rival
> format.
> 
> The move set the stage for this year's Consumer Electronics Show, which
> starts Wednesday under the dark cloud of a recession and a sharp
downturn in
> consumer spending. Nearly two million square feet of convention hall
will be
> stocked with the latest mobile phones, portable music players, digital
> cameras and expensive flat-screen televisions.
> 
> But many eyes will be on Blu-ray, which for the first time has the floor
> largely to itself as the heir apparent to the DVD. Over the last
decade, DVD
> players and discs have generated tens of billions of dollars for
Hollywood
> and the consumer electronics industry, so the pressure for a blockbuster
> sequel is high.
> 
> This year will be crucial for the new format. Heavy holiday
discounting and
> the natural decline in electronics prices over time have pushed
prices for
> some Blu-ray players under $200, a drop of well more than half in
the last
> few years - and into the realm of affordability for many. At the
same time,
> Blu-ray's backers, including Sony
> 
> x.html?inline=nyt-org> and the Walt Disney Company
> 
> ndex.html?inline=nyt-org> , face a growing chorus of skeptics that
says the
> window for a high-definition disc format may be closing fast. 
> 
> One reason is that discs of all kinds may become obsolete as a new
wave of
> digital media services starts to flow into the living room. On
Monday, for
> example, the Korean television maker LG Electronics plans to
announce a new
> line of high-definition televisions that connect directly to the
Internet
> with no set-top box required. The televisions will be able to play
movies
> and television shows from online video-on-demand services, including
Netflix
> 
> l?inline=nyt-org> . 
> 
> "The Blu-ray format is in jeopardy simply because the advent of
downloadable
> HD movies is so close," said Roger L. Kay, president of Endpoint
> Technologies Associates. a research and consulting company.
"Streaming video
> from the Internet and other means of direct digital delivery are
going to
> put optical formats out of business entirely over the next few years."
> 
> Blu-ray's supporters have another view. They say the technology had a
> breakout year, crowned by the holiday success of "The Dark Knight,"
which
> sold 600,000 Blu-ray copies in one day. They also say that Blu-ray
players
> are selling faster than DVD players did at a comparable time in their
> emergence. 
> 
> "What we saw in 2008 was increasing adoption of Blu-ray along with
> decreasing hardware prices," said Reed Hastings, the chief executive of
> Netflix, which has persuaded more than half a million members to pay an
> extra dollar a month to rent Blu-ray discs. "The window of
opportunity for
> DVD and Blu-ray discs is longer than most people think. But it's not
going
> to last forever."
> 
> The Consumer Electronics Association predicts that North American
consumers
> will spend $1.3 billion on Blu-ray players in 2009, outpacing the
projected
> $1.2 billion that will be spent on regular DVD players, although Blu-ray
> players are two to three times more expensive. 
> 
> Last year "was a launching pad, and 2009 is going to be our growth
year,"
> said Andy Parsons, the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, a
> consortium of the format's backers. "We think this year we'll start
to see
> the format really take off into the mass market."
> 
> But evidence exists that many people either do not know enough about
Blu-ray
> to buy or do not think the more expensive players and discs are
worth the
> extra investment.
> 
> Going from the whirring VCRs of yore to a DVD player was a big leap in
> picture quality and convenience, while the jump from DVD to Blu-ray is
> subtler, at least for those who do not have the latest and largest
> high-definition televisions. 
> 
> Americans are still expected to buy more standard DVD players next
year than
> Blu-ray players, a

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car

[tdemorsella]

I'm trying to make a career change into renewable energy and during my
research, I read this afternoon that it is a mostly false claim.  I
think the care is partially solar

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> Please, please, pleasepleasePLEASE...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered
Green Car
> 
 Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:06:55 -0800
> 
 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
 To : , ,   ,
"'Chris de Morsella'" 
> 
> 
TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be
> powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its
struggling
> business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported
> Thursday.
> 
> The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned
> vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed
> Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment.
> 
> According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle
that will
> get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and
that can
> be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the
roofs of
> homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered
by solar
> cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources.
> 
> The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during
> hard times, The Nikkei said.
> 
> In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip
into its
> first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump,
> especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the
> earnings of Japanese automakers.
> 
> Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have
stressed
> they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles.
> 
> Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has
> already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central
Japan to
> produce some of its own electricity.
> 
> The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60
tennis
> courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to
> Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is
> equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil.
> 
> Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy
when its
> partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic
Corp., takes
> over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy,
early next
> year.
> 
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654.
> html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Halle Berry and Robin Givens was: Rachel Weisz as Catwoman. Can you dig it?

[tdemorsella]

I know she does not do them anymore, but I, like your wife, I feel
like Berry's strength is doing romantic comedies

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
>
> It's probably a personal reaction. I like her screen presence more
the handful of times she's gotten some substantive work. I can't deny
Berry has gotten better roles, but I still always feel i'm watching
her acting when she's on screen. 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> Really, Why?  I do not necessarily disagree.  After Rage in Harlem,
I believed more in her talent, but I want to hear your views
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of keithbjohn...@...
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:42 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry and Robin Givens was: Rachel
Weisz as Catwoman. Can you dig it?
> 
> Well said and informative. I still think Givens is better though! :)
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> I'm not a very big fan of Berry or Givens, but I think that you are
talking apples and oranges. What they have in common is a public
perception issue.  Fortunately for Berry, only the some of the Black
community have a negative view of her, whereas much of the entire
public have a bad view of Givens.  While I think Berry does know how
to use the system, I never got the impression she was a gold digger. 
As far as I know, the only way you will make it to the top in that
industry… any industry is to figure out how to play the game.  Like
Will Smith, she knows how to play the game.  For Smith it is the
action genre and avoiding Black romantic interests, for her it is
playing the victim, down and out  women.  Her victim angle is not a
Black  thing, it is a female in Hollywood thing.  White women who have
done it include Jody Foster, Nicole Kidman, Sissy Spasack, Marissa T
omei t o start.  Sometimes when it does not work, the critics ride
them for thinking they can get an Oscar for "tak
> ing their make-up off".   
> Black people have a problem with Berry  for good reason.  We have
all these talented women to choose from and the suits in Hollywood
only see her.Most of us did not have a problem with her  when she
was not the only Black woman they were casting for the good parts.   I
hate their selection process as well.  The difference is that, I do
not see that she did it herself and I do not blame her for it.  When I
was a model I got work, because I was Black, "but not too Black"  If I
spent too much time in the sun or wore braids or a fro, my agents
freaked and I risked losing jobs.  Beautiful Black women who were
pretty, but more "ethnic " looking were always passed over for
modeling and acting gigs unless it was a "showcase ethnicity and
diversity gig" – for example Benetton  and forget about them being
cast in a commercial or getting auditions for the Cosby show.  I'm out
of the business now, but I think that is still going on in modeling,
acting and music industries, and I do not thi
> nk Berry is the cause.  Her success is a result of that approach to
casting.  She should not be blamed for it.  People dod not seem to
blame Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson or Will Smith for getting all
the work.  That is probably because there are more lead roles for
Black men than Black women.
> Regarding their victimization.  Givens was very obvious and public
when she when shopping for the right rich and famous husband.  I
vaguely remember her targeting Eddie Murphy.  When she got Tyson, she
marketing their relationship as much as she could and exploited it . 
Givens believed her hype, her "superiority" and telegraphed it to the
public.  So when something bad happened to her, instead of sympathy,
the public  thought she deserved it.  While I do not think she
deserved it, but I do perceive it is a sort of comeuppance for her
machinations.
> I never got the impression Berry was a gold digger or cut from the
same cloth as Givens.  Givens approach to her rise was arrogance. 
Berry chose humility.  I'm not saying she has humility (I don't know)–
but that she was at least smart enough to sell herself with humility.
 The public  might be able to stomach a lot of  arrogance from a male
star, but I have rarely seen the public view it as a positive on a
female.  Givens had that in abundance.   I do not think they took the
same path to stardom or dating.  I do not even think people knew that
Berry and Snipes dated until years later, she did not discuss the
damage done until later—after she was considered a star and they did
not find out that it was he who abused her until recently – and only
after people started accusing another man of abusing her.  Berry also
has not married for money.  Most of the men s he dates earn less than
her, so I do not see how they can be compared on the gold-digger
front.  Like many other female star
> s, she got the public to relate to h

[scifinoir2] Strange Winter Questions You Always Wondered About

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Maurice usually posts this stuff, but I have not heard from him, so I
am stepping up to the plate

by www.SixWise.com
http://tinyurl.com/6anz3j

Flick was the unfortunate character of the holiday classic, A
Christmas Story, who was dared to stick his tongue on a metal pole in
winter. The result was catastrophic -- his tongue stuck to the metal pole.

Would this happen in real life, or only in the movies?

Here are the answers to this and some equally quirky questions about
winter-related topics …

1. Will your tongue stick to cold metal in the winter?

Yes! So don't do it! Water freezes at a temperature of 32 degrees
Fahrenheit (F) or lower.  In the winter, metal objects can easily be
32 degrees F or colder, which means that if you so decide to lick a
metal pole, the water from your tongue will freeze solid, fusing your
tongue to the pole.

Pouring warm water over your tongue will melt the ice, but wouldn't it
be better to just resist the temptation in the first place?

2. Can two snowflakes be alike?

Yes, it is possible that two snowflakes could be alike in their
smallest form, but to find actual proof by comparing all possible
pairs but would take about 100,000 years.

Snowflakes start out as dust particles floating in a cloud. Water
condenses on the particle and freezes, forming crystals. Snow crystals
tend to be hexagonal (six-sided) because of the way the atoms are
arranged in the water molecule. 

When snow crystals start out, they are very small. Some of them fall
before they have a chance to fully develop into a typical snowflake,
which is a half an inch to two inches wide. Of these simpler ice
crystals, it is possible to have two the same. 

However, depending on the temperature and swirling atmospheric
conditions, snowflakes can grow and combine with one another to create
unique crystal formations. So by the time snowflakes reach the ground,
it is extremely unlikely that any two will be the same. But the truth
of the matter is that it is impossible to sift through the million
billion cubic feet of snow that falls on the earth each year to find
out for sure!

3. Why do your hands get numb in the cold?

Numb hands due to exposure to cold weather is a sign of mild
hypothermia. Mild hypothermia can occur when body temperatures are
between 98.6 and 95 degrees F. Cold temperatures, wind, and moisture
all contribute to the loss of body heat.

Mild hypothermia is characterized by mild shivering, goose bumps,
numbness and slight lack of muscle coordination in fingers, and slight
mental impairment. If symptoms increase to violent shivering, severe
muscle coordination problems, and impaired judgment, then moderate
hypothermia is occurring. Severe hypothermia occurs when shivering
stops and there is a complete lack of muscle coordination, muscle
rigidity, and unconsciousness.

Treat mild hypothermia by coming in out of the cold, replacing any wet
or damp garments with dry ones, and drinking something warm to try to
warm the body core (internal organs) first. Moderate hypothermic
victims should be treated with warm heat packs or wrapped hot water
bottles applied to the neck, armpits, and groin only. Victims of
severe hypothermia require immediate medical attention and should be
taken to the nearest hospital as quickly as possible.

Most hypothermia can be prevented by dressing appropriately -- so
bundle up!

4. Does salt melt snow and ice … and does it really eat the pavement?

Salt really dose melt snow -- and some ice. Water freezes at 32
degrees F. Introducing salt to snow lowers the freezing point of water
to about 15 degrees F on roads and sidewalks. The salt, however, is
unable to enter the solid molecular structure of the water below 15
degrees F. What this means is that if the temperature of the ice is
lower than 15 degrees F, the salt will no longer be able to melt it.

Salt does not eat concrete pavement, but it can cause it to split.
Concrete may appear dense, but is actually very porous. When salt
causes snow and ice to melt, the concrete absorbs all of that water.
If temperatures then drop the absorbed water will expand and freeze,
sometimes causing the pavement to crack or shatter.

5. What's the difference between a snowburst and a blizzard?

A snowburst is a short period of heavy, consistent snowfall -- usually
around 10-14 hours or so with snow falling at a rate of 2 or more
inches per hour. If conditions worsen, then it becomes a blizzard. A
blizzard is defined as a severe winter storm characterized by strong
winds (at least 35 mph), low temperatures, heavy, blowing snow, and
low visibility (a quarter mile or less) that lasts at least 3 hours.

6. How and why do animals hibernate in the winter?

Animals such as some bears, squirrels, and hummingbirds hibernate in
the winter. Hibernation is a process that allows certain animals to
drastically reduce their heart rate and thus their body's energy needs
in harsh conditions. When temperatures are frigid and food is scarce,
these animals hibernat

[scifinoir2] Hot Topics Started Nov 30 - Dec 6

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Those subscribers to the group who go no mail or digest format often
get left out of the most involved discussions, so  I am sending out a
periodic list of some of the more active discussions started recently.  

The following are most active topics started between November 30 –
December 6.  Please join in if you missed any that interest you

Tracey

What movies/DVD's did you see over the holiday
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25226

First Black Doctor Who - Its Official
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25283

Black Presidents: A pop-cultural survey By Troy Patterson
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25279

True Blood Finale
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25320

Static's DC debut
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25328

Recommend Your Vampire Favorites
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25364

What are the SciFi Channel Guys Smoking?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25176

Ian Fleming's Monster's Ball
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25223

New Star Trek Trailer (Thoughts?)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25090

Courtney B. Vance to star in Flash Forward
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25298

Movies Set To Boom In 'Recession'
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25292

So... I watched Cha$e
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25312

AMC: Are You Living in a Science Fiction Movie?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25307

innerspace, scifi no more
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25347

[scifinoir2] Post Your SciFiNoir People Profile

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Hi SciFiNoir Family.  

For over a decade, many of you have been submitting your profile via
email to the group.  A few years ago, we started using Frapper to see
which members lived near each other.  Recently Yahoogroups has added a
new set of features that allows us to do that and more.  

So I set up the  SciFiNoir People Profile Map   It is a new profile
section of our group that enables us to let other members know more
about our specific interests in science fiction.  If you have a sci-fi
related blog, web site, book, comic, graphic novel, web series, club,
publishing firm, production company, etc., this is one of the best
places to  let members know about what you are doing.  It is also a
great tool for finding out which members are  located near you.

I have taken the first step and posted my profile, it is my hope that
you will all do the same.Thanks 

Go to the following link to see the SciFiNoir People Profile Map   
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2

Post your profile at: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me.

Tracey de Morsella, your moderator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/

[scifinoir2] Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games

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Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden
on this list.  Let's change that  Why don't you guys come out of
hiding.  Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see
be made into movies and those you hate.  Also, tell us why.

Thanks 

Tracey 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:15 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Happy Place

*raises hand* World of Warcraft here. :D :D

Oh yeah, and now that I have a new, sweet machine, gotta reinstall
Second Life.

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Aubrey Leatherwood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't know if there are gamers on this loop... But it's Friday
night, I just had a fine dinner, I've got a nice drink, a fire, and
the doors open to a nice windy night. The lights are off in the living
room, the TV's on, and I have scooted my recliner and ottoman right up
to it, and despite the fact that I'm supposed to wait, I am about to
crack the seal on the new Prince of Persia while I'm alone. This is a
happy moment.

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
Lyrical Press. Inc

[scifinoir2] Recommend Your Vampire Favorites

[tdemorsella]

a few days ago, Bosco brought to our attention, a Vampire flick ("Let
The Right One In") that many of us likely would have missed.  Are
their other gems out there?  Please post a list of some of your
favorite vampire movies and books.

Tracey 

[scifinoir2] First Black Doctor Who - Its Official

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OK now that it is official, what do you guys think?

Paterson Joseph to be the first black Doctor Who

The actor Paterson Joseph is to be the first black Doctor Who. Sources
close to the BBC have reportedly confirmed that he has been asked to
be the new Doctor and that he accepted a couple of days ago. You can
currently see him in the science fiction TV series Survivors, as Greg
Preston, one of the lucky - well, perhaps - 5 per cent to survive a
global meta-plague.

London-born, as well as Survivors, Paterson Joseph's fantasy and
science fiction resume includes the Marquis de Carabas in Neverwhere,
a bit part in the Doctor Who episode Bad Wolf, as Giroux alongside
Charlize Theron in Paramount's Aeon Flux movie; as Space Marshall
Clarke in the BBC SF sitcom Hyperdrive, and he played Benjamin in the
BBC's fantasy horror series Jekyll. 

First Obama, now Doctor Who, what can we say at SFcrowsnest.com apart
from wow! He's a great actor and he'll be a fab Doctor.
http://www.sfcrowsnest.com/news/arc/2008/nz13329.php

[scifinoir2] 2009 Glyph Comics Awards calls for submissions, names judges

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SUBMISSIONS FOR THE 2009 GLYPH COMICS AWARDS ARE NOW BEING ACCEPTED;
JUDGES NAMED

This past May, in the closest race in the brief history of the Glyph
Comics Awards (GCA), Sentences, the autobiography of underground
rapper MF Grimm, a.k.a. Percy Carey, walked away with the grand prize
of Story of the Year. This year promises just as competitive a race.

The GCA Committee has selected their panel of judges for the 2009
competition. They are:

· Valerie D'Orazio, president, Friends of Lulu

· Mathan Erhardt, writer, Comics Nexus

· Ed Mathews, columnist, Pop Image

· Tim O'Shea, writer/interviewer, TalkingWithTim.com

· Elayne Riggs, comics reviewer and commentator

Any comics publisher – small, large, corporate, independent,
self-published – as well as online comic creators and cartoonists for
newspapers and other periodicals, are invited to submit black-themed
material released from January 1-December 31, 2008 for consideration
for award recognition. The Committee defines black-themed work as any
comic with any combination of the following: a black protagonist(s),
or at least a black character(s) pivotal to the direction of the
story; a setting(s) or a theme(s) that explores the black experience
within the United States and/or abroad, past, present, and/or future;
and/or a comic of any kind written and/or illustrated by a black
creator(s).

Anyone wishing to submit their comic book or comic strip for
consideration in the 2009 competition should e-mail GCA Committee
Chair Rich Watson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further information.
Hard copies are preferred, though submissions of e-files will also be
accepted. Online comics creators and newspaper/periodical cartoonists
with websites should send a direct URL link to their site or page.
Daily cartoonists must have a minimum of one month's work archived and
available for viewing; weekly cartoonists a minimum of two months. The
deadline for submissions is January 31, 2009.

The 2009 Glyph Comics Awards ceremony will be held at the East Coast
Black Age of Comics Convention (ECBACC) in May 2009.

About the Glyph Comics Awards:

The Glyph Comics Awards recognize the best in comics made by, for, and
about people of color from the preceding calendar year. While it is
not exclusive to black creators, it does strive to honor those who
have made the greatest contributions to the comics medium in terms of
both critical and commercial impact. By doing so, the goal is to
encourage more diverse and high quality work across the board and to
inspire new creators to add their voices to the field.

The awards are named for the blog Glyphs: The Language of the Black
Comics Community (http://glyphs.popcultureshock.com), started in 2005
by comics journalist Rich Watson as a means to provide news and
commentary of comics with black themes, as well as tangential topics
in the fields of black science-fiction/fantasy and animation.

About ECBACC:

The East Coast Black Age of Comics Convention
(www.ecbacc.com/wordpress) is an annual gathering of comic book
creators and retailers who create and sell material that caters to
black readers of all ages. In addition to selling their work, they
also take part in panel discussions and self-publishing workshops for
aspiring creators. The convention is held in Philadelphia each May.
There is also a pre-show reception held at the African American Museum
in Philadelphia. ECBACC is an outgrowth of the original Black Age of
Comics Convention in Chicago, founded by Turtel Onli.

For more information about ECBACC, contact event coordinator Maurice
Waters at maurice.waters @ ecbacc.com.

[scifinoir2] Black Presidents: A pop-cultural survey By Troy Patterson

[tdemorsella]

Over the past decade, their have been a number of films and TV shows
featuring Black Presidents.  Now that we have a real one, I thought
this overview might be relevant


culturebox
Black Presidents
A pop-cultural survey.
By Troy Patterson
Posted Friday, Oct. 24, 2008, at 10:26 AM ET

The first movie to imagine a black president of the United States at
any length was Joseph Sargent's satirical drama The Man in 1972.
There, Douglass Dilman, president pro tempore of the Senate, happens
into the Oval Office after the president and the speaker of the House
die in a ceiling collapse. Unavailable on DVD, The Man is now a
rarity, and yet it clearly forecasts the screen existences of
subsequent black presidents.

James Earl Jones uses his commanding, paternal, universally
presentable voice in the title role—a harbinger of baritones to come.
Notably, the job of adapting Irving Wallace's novel went to Twilight
Zone creator Rod Serling. Black presidents have most often existed in
science-fiction scenarios, lending a futuristic tint to the
proceedings. Next summer, Danny Glover will play one President Wilson
in 2012, Roland Emmerich's forthcoming special-effects spectacular.

What might any of this mean for Barack Obama? Beats me. But the next
two weeks will see much talk and many pixels devoted to race and his
candidacy, and in a nation drunk on entertainment, the legacy of his
fictional forebears has to count for something. Herewith, a scan of
the most prominent black presidents in American pop culture and a stab
at understanding their significance.

24 (2001-Present)
Actors: Dennis Haysbert, D.B. Woodside
Presidents of the United States: David Palmer, Wayne Palmer

Tellingly, the first black actor cast as the president on Fox's action
series was most famous as the voice of an insurance company. We were
in good hands with David Palmer and his race-neutral Allstate
baritone, and his looks—mainstream manliness shaded brown—radiated
dependability. The same can't be said of the black president who
succeeded him on the show. David's brother Wayne—24 is, of course,
energetically ludicrous, so don't bother about the plot twists that
preceded his swearing in—has a shaved head and a jazzman's goatee
altogether too slick for the West Wing. The actor playing Wayne, D.B.
Woodside, looks like NBA point guard Gary Payton—and perhaps not for
nothing. Is there anything to the fact that Fox's online profiles for
both characters mention their athletic prowess? Wayne Palmer went to
Stanford on a baseball scholarship, and David was a basketball star at
Georgetown. It's as if they've vaulted into politics from a more
familiar field for African-American heroes. Whatever—they're tough on
terrorism.

Deep Impact (1998)
Actor: Morgan Freeman
POTUS: Tom Beck

Not to be confused with the same year's Armageddon, about astronauts
nuking an asteroid on a collision course with the Earth, Deep Impact
is about nuking a comet on a collision course with the Earth. It's
also about an MSNBC reporter so darling, as played by Téa Leoni, that
the president gives her something of a scoop about the comet-nuking
mission. Freeman looks and sounds conventionally presidential in the
way that only a Visa pitchman can (cf. Dennis Haybert and his
underwriter's reliability). The actor shades his quiet
righteousness—that Bruce Almighty-style rigor—with just a smidgen of
Driving Miss Daisy deference. There's no subtextual reason for Beck to
be black—beyond patting America on its broadly inclusive back, maybe,
or signaling an EEO solidarity with Leoni's girl reporter.

The Fifth Element (1997)
Actor: Tommy "Tiny" Lister
POTUS: President Lindberg

Luc Besson's wiggy fantasia tells the story of a planet representing
pure evil on a collision course with the Earth in the 23rd century.
Instead of nukes, our weapon against it is Milla Jovovich's
bandage-attired supernatural sylph, and one President Lindberg
oversees her deployment. (Technically, Lindberg leads an entity called
the "United Federation," which is headquartered in New York City, but
the geopolitics of blockbusters rule him in as our commander in
chief.) Among its many bits of delirium, The Fifth Element presents a
quasi-ironic festival of retrograde racial images, with Variety's
review noting that Chris Tucker's mincing sidekick "sounds like
Butterfly McQueen on speed." As played by Lister—a 300-pounder best
known for playing a larcenous thug in Friday—Lindberg is not a
suitable role model. Too "angry." Too "hostile." Too much "bestial
grunting." That said, his menacing glares somehow suggest he'd stand
firm against lobbyists.

Head of State (2003)
Actor: Chris Rock
POTUS: Mays Gilliam

In the only film on this list that does not qualify as fantasy or
science fiction, a presidential candidate dies in a plane crash.
(Shades, here, of The Man.) Party bosses, believing that defeat is
certain, select a small-time D.C. alderman to head their ticket and
take a fall so that an insider can cruise to victory four years 

[scifinoir2] Re: What movies/DVD’s did you see over the holiday - Group Discussion

[tdemorsella]

I rented the Spiderwick Chronicles to watch with my daughter and niece
and I was pleasantly surprised.  I really enjoyed it.  Can't say the
same for either fantastic four. I found them both to be extremely
mediocre.  However, I did enjoy the Hulk better than the first one-
particularly now that he dose not bounce around like a rubber ball any
more.  That being said, it did not feel like a blockbuster the way
that Iron man did.   Dark knight is one of the best super hero movies
ever.  You got to see it


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Adrianne Brennan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Spiderwick Chronicles - loved it!  Very good movie.
> Also saw about half of the second Fantastic Four movie.  I also
liked it.
> 
> I still need to catch the Hulk movie and Dark Knight.
> 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon on 12/2:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM, tdemorsella <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Many of us seem to take time over the holidays to go to the movies or
> > check out  some DVDs.  What movies/DVD's did you  see over the
> > holidays?  Let us know which ones you liked or hated and why.
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] What movies/DVD’s did you see over the holiday - Group Discussion

[tdemorsella]

Many of us seem to take time over the holidays to go to the movies or
check out  some DVDs.  What movies/DVD's did you  see over the
holidays?  Let us know which ones you liked or hated and why.

Tracey

[scifinoir2] Ooops! Re: TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect

[tdemorsella]

Ooops Sorry about the resend

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> November 29, 2008
> TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect
> 
> By BILL CARTER
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/arts/television/29race.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
> 
> It may say something about the state of American television that there
> is one more black president-elect of the United States than there are
> black actors with individual lead roles in a network television drama.
> 
> But after years of ensemble dramas sprinkled with nonwhite supporting
> actors, the excitement surrounding the election of Barack Obama could
> help to open doors for more minorities in leading dramatic roles,
> executives from television production studios said.
> 
> Ben Silverman, the co-chairman of NBC Entertainment who oversees the
> network's television studio, said that he and the head of the
> diversity initiative for NBC Universal, Paula Madison, have been
> pushing for projects starring minorities.
> 
> Mr. Silverman said, "We were going after this regardless, but I don't
> think you can deny the power that Barack Obama brings in magnifying
> this direction in our world." He added, "We've all been colorblind for
> years, but the results don't necessarily match up to our intentions."
> 
> Ms. Madison said that NBC's approach was at least as much about
> business as about social responsibility. "People are not living in
> single-race silos anymore," she said. "We said, `Let's try to develop
> a world that looks like the world we're living in.' "
> 
> The evidence seems to indicate that race neutrality has not produced a
> surge of black lead performers, at least in network dramas. While
> comedies with black characters have been something of a network staple
> — from the much vilified "Amos 'n Andy" in the early days of
> television, through shows like "Sanford and Son" with Redd Foxx, "The
> Jeffersons," and Martin Lawrence's sitcom "Martin" — historically,
> blacks in lead television drama roles have been rare.
> 
> Bill Cosby, whose 1980s hit sitcom revitalized that genre after a
> period of decline, famously broke through in drama as the co-star of
> "I Spy" in 1965. He won three Emmy awards in the role of Alexander
> Scott, an espionage agent. Exactly two black actors (and no actresses)
> have won Emmy awards for drama series since: James Earl Jones, who
> played the title role in the short-lived "Gabriel's Fire" in 1991, and
> Andre Braugher, who was part of the ensemble in "Homicide" in 1998.
> 
> Dennis Haysbert, who played President David Palmer on the Fox series
> "24," is featured in the CBS ensemble drama "The Unit" (produced by
> Mr. Newman's Fox studio). Also this season, the venerable NBC drama
> "ER" added Angela Bassett; executives at its studio, Warner Brothers,
> now identify her as the lead in that show.
> 
> But both "ER" and "The Unit" are ensemble shows, a genre that has for
> decades — going back to performers like Michael Warren in "Hill Street
> Blues" and Denzel Washington in "St. Elsewhere" — been the route for
> black drama actors to break through.
> 
> "ER" has featured black actors (including Eriq La Salle) since its
> inception in 1994. ABC's "Grey's Anatomy," whose creator and executive
> producer, Shonda Rhimes, is black, has similarly offered a notably
> diverse cast.
> 
> But there is no dramatic series spotlighting a single star — like
> "House" on Fox, "Chuck" on NBC, "Eli Stone" on ABC or "The Mentalist"
> on CBS — now led by a black actor. Hispanic actors have fared somewhat
> better. Jimmy Smits has starred in several series, and America Ferrera
> is now the star of "Ugly Betty."
> 
> Cable's recent list of single-star dramas is also notable for its
> roster of white stars, including shows like "The Shield," "The
> Closer," "Saving Grace," "Dexter," "Monk," "Burn Notice," "Breaking
> Bad" and "Damages."
> 
> Tim Reid, who was the star and an executive producer of the
> Emmy-winning comedy series "Frank's Place" for CBS in the 1987-88
> season — and who recently wrote, with the white comic Tom Dreesen,
> "Tim and Tom: An American Comedy in Black and White" about their days
> as a stand-up team — has been outspoken about the continued limited
> opportunities fo

[scifinoir2] TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect

[tdemorsella]

November 29, 2008
TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect

By BILL CARTER

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/arts/television/29race.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

It may say something about the state of American television that there
is one more black president-elect of the United States than there are
black actors with individual lead roles in a network television drama.

But after years of ensemble dramas sprinkled with nonwhite supporting
actors, the excitement surrounding the election of Barack Obama could
help to open doors for more minorities in leading dramatic roles,
executives from television production studios said.

Ben Silverman, the co-chairman of NBC Entertainment who oversees the
network's television studio, said that he and the head of the
diversity initiative for NBC Universal, Paula Madison, have been
pushing for projects starring minorities.

Mr. Silverman said, "We were going after this regardless, but I don't
think you can deny the power that Barack Obama brings in magnifying
this direction in our world." He added, "We've all been colorblind for
years, but the results don't necessarily match up to our intentions."

Ms. Madison said that NBC's approach was at least as much about
business as about social responsibility. "People are not living in
single-race silos anymore," she said. "We said, `Let's try to develop
a world that looks like the world we're living in.' "

The evidence seems to indicate that race neutrality has not produced a
surge of black lead performers, at least in network dramas. While
comedies with black characters have been something of a network staple
— from the much vilified "Amos 'n Andy" in the early days of
television, through shows like "Sanford and Son" with Redd Foxx, "The
Jeffersons," and Martin Lawrence's sitcom "Martin" — historically,
blacks in lead television drama roles have been rare.

Bill Cosby, whose 1980s hit sitcom revitalized that genre after a
period of decline, famously broke through in drama as the co-star of
"I Spy" in 1965. He won three Emmy awards in the role of Alexander
Scott, an espionage agent. Exactly two black actors (and no actresses)
have won Emmy awards for drama series since: James Earl Jones, who
played the title role in the short-lived "Gabriel's Fire" in 1991, and
Andre Braugher, who was part of the ensemble in "Homicide" in 1998.

Dennis Haysbert, who played President David Palmer on the Fox series
"24," is featured in the CBS ensemble drama "The Unit" (produced by
Mr. Newman's Fox studio). Also this season, the venerable NBC drama
"ER" added Angela Bassett; executives at its studio, Warner Brothers,
now identify her as the lead in that show.

But both "ER" and "The Unit" are ensemble shows, a genre that has for
decades — going back to performers like Michael Warren in "Hill Street
Blues" and Denzel Washington in "St. Elsewhere" — been the route for
black drama actors to break through.

"ER" has featured black actors (including Eriq La Salle) since its
inception in 1994. ABC's "Grey's Anatomy," whose creator and executive
producer, Shonda Rhimes, is black, has similarly offered a notably
diverse cast.

But there is no dramatic series spotlighting a single star — like
"House" on Fox, "Chuck" on NBC, "Eli Stone" on ABC or "The Mentalist"
on CBS — now led by a black actor. Hispanic actors have fared somewhat
better. Jimmy Smits has starred in several series, and America Ferrera
is now the star of "Ugly Betty."

Cable's recent list of single-star dramas is also notable for its
roster of white stars, including shows like "The Shield," "The
Closer," "Saving Grace," "Dexter," "Monk," "Burn Notice," "Breaking
Bad" and "Damages."

Tim Reid, who was the star and an executive producer of the
Emmy-winning comedy series "Frank's Place" for CBS in the 1987-88
season — and who recently wrote, with the white comic Tom Dreesen,
"Tim and Tom: An American Comedy in Black and White" about their days
as a stand-up team — has been outspoken about the continued limited
opportunities for minorities in television.

"If the president-elect should have any positive influence over the
so-called liberal base of Hollywood, it will be by focusing their
attention on the reality of the kind of multicultural world we
actually live in," Mr. Reid said in an e-mail message. "This doesn't
just mean putting another person of color in front of the camera, but
giving them an equal opportunity in having a say-so in what is created
for the camera."

"In my opinion," he continued, "we're far more likely to have a black
president in my lifetime ... oh, yeah ... I can stop saying that now."

The most significant hiring of a black actor for a television series
has been long in the works: next month the film star Laurence
Fishburne will assume the lead in CBS's biggest hit show, "CSI." That
move was not connected to the ascendance of Mr. Obama, though CBS and
studio executives expressed hope that the timing would help in the
transition from William Petersen, the

[scifinoir2] Sci-Cry: 10 Guaranteed SF Weepers

[tdemorsella]

Sci-Cry: 10 Guaranteed SF Weepers
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=59530
Most people think of science fiction movies as hard and rational. But
remember when the poster boy for all that is logical, Spock (Leonard
Nimoy), died in 1982's Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan? Come on, admit
it: You had "a little something in your eye" at that moment.

Notwithstanding its image of lightsaber fights and starship battles, the
science fiction genre of movies reveals a soft, gooey center of emotion
and outright sentimentality underneath all that white plastic armor.

In no particular order, here are 10 more of our favorite two-hankie SF
movies from the past three decades. (Spoilers ahead!!) Try to keep a dry
eye if you can.

E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982). Doe-eyed Henry Thomas plays Elliott,
a little boy who finds a lost and terrified alien creature and hides the
E.T. in his bedroom closet until it can return to its own planet. The
two form a bond so strong that when one falls ill the other suffers as
well; when it's time for E.T. to rejoin his brethren, it's a sorrowfully
sweet parting. Directed by Steven Spielberg.

Children of Men (2006). Just a couple of decades from now, mankind's
seed has dried up, and new babies are a distant memory. That is, until a
mysterious woman finds herself even more mysteriously pregnant. Both the
government and nefarious scientists want to get her in their clutches.
But a caring clique of subversives (Clive Owen, Julianne Moore and
Michael Caine) step forward to help her, only to find themselves with a
foot in their own graves. Directed by Alfonso Cuarón.

The Fountain (2006). A man's (Hugh Jackman) everlasting love for his
terminally ill wife (Rachel Weisz) is so mighty that it sends him on a
journey that spans centuries as he searches for a cure. If anguished
death scenes are the death of you, you'll be wiping your wet cheeks more
than once during this weeper. Directed by Darren Aronofsky.

This story continues below the image.

  [fountain]

The Fountain's Hugh Jackman is a sad, sad man.



Bicentennial Man (1999). In this adaptation of an Isaac Asimov novel,
Robin Williams plays an android who evolves and begins to develop all
kinds of feelings: nostalgia, affection, jealousy, joy and wistfulness,
to name a few. Directed by a master of the maudlin, Christopher
Columbus, the power of the story and Williams' performance yank a slew
of tears throughout.

Solaris (2002). We know the remake isn't the popular version, but for
the modern American's sensibilities, the tighter script and more
romance-focused story successfully pluck more heartstrings than the 1972
Russian classic. In the remake, George Clooney plays a psychologist
orbiting a strange planet, which sends him enticing visions of his dead
wife (Natascha McElhone). Directed by Steven Soderbergh.

The Abyss (1989). Years before he'd helm the ultimate waterworks weepie,
director James Cameron got his sea legs with this soggy story. Mary
Elizabeth Mastrantonio and Ed Harris play an estranged husband and wife
who are trapped in an undersea habitat that falls under siege. They
realize they are still in love when each is forced to decide who will
make the ultimate sacrifice to save the life of the other.

Repo! The Genetic Opera (2008). While there's an awful lot of crazy
stuff going on in this futuristic rock 'n' roll horror sci-fi opera--not
to mention social satire at every turn--at its heart, this film is the
solemn story of a father's (Anthony Stewart Head) unbreakable bond with
his daughter (Alexa Vega). When grave misfortunes befall both of them,
you actually care, thanks to a strong script (based on a stage play
written by Darren Smith and Terrance Zdunich) and unswerving
performances by the actors. Directed by Darren Lynn Bousman.

This story continues below the image.

  [repo]

Repo! stars Anthony Stewart Head and Alexa Vega are sad, sad people.



Artificial Intelligence: AI (2001). Something like Bicentennial Man in
that its protagonist is an android with feelings (adroitly played by
Haley Joel Osment), this movie is the one story Stanley Kubrick always
wanted to tell but died before he could finish it. Director Steven
Spielberg took over after the master's death in 1999. While the tale
would have been more effective if it had ended under the sea, where the
little robot boy finally finds the elusive "blue fairy" of his dreams,
it's still worthy of a least one grief-counseling appointment after
viewing.

Sunshine (2007). This drama about interpersonal relationships, sacrifice
and all-encompassing devotion to lovers, family and friends just happens
to be set on a spaceship that's racing toward the sun. While the
ensemble cast is stellar--each and every one--it is the ethereal and
androgynous Cillian Murphy as the emotional anchor who focuses the
sorrow like a magnifying glass. Directed by Danny Boyle.

I Am Legend (2007). This latest adaptation of the, er, legendary parable
written by Richard Mathes

[scifinoir2] Re: The End' for popcorn in British cinemas

[tdemorsella]

Hey Curtis:

glad you finally jumped in.  How was your trip?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We do have the best popcorn here in Chicago. How are you Tracey? YES 
> WE CAN with Obama!
> Curtis, Jr. at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ObamaBrigade/
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Omari Confer"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Dont forget about Chicago's own Garretts popcorn...best in the
> > countryyou obviously are not from the 'GO...lol
> > 
> > On 8/13/08, Astromancer  wrote:
> > >
> > > You'd suffer hear in Chicago...they have specialty places 
> that sell
> > > the popcorn flaver mix you spoke of all over the place...don't 
> forget
> > > Cracker jack, Fiddle-Faddle, or Screaming Yellow Zonkers...( I 
> bet I just
> > > started another thread, didn't I?)
> > >
> > > -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He 
> is Johnny
> > > Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
> > >
> > > --- On *Tue, 8/12/08, KeithBJohnson@  > > >* wrote:
> > >
> > > From: KeithBJohnson@ 
> > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The End' for popcorn in British cinemas
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 9:17 PM
> > >
> > >   i'm not a real fan of popcorn, unless it's gourmet level. Man, 
> when
> > > people send tins of Popcorn Factory for Christmas, with that mix 
> of
> > > caramel/butter/ cheddar corn--I'm all over that! But the typical
> > > butter-flavor in movie theatres is some combination of old, dry, 
> nasty, so I
> > > rarely buy it. But if it were caramel-covered I'd be tempted.
> > >
> > >
> > >  -- Original message  --
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com>
> > >
> > > Thought of you when I posted it
> > >
> > >  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ 
> yahoogroups. com]
> > > *On Behalf Of *KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
> > > *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 9:16 AM
> > > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] The End' for popcorn in British 
> cinemas
> > >
> > >  Sounds like they're specifically addressing "sugar coated' 
> popcorn? I
> > > guess that's the same as what we call caramel popcorn? Hell, I 
> wish we could
> > > *buy* caramel popcorn in the movie theatre!
> > >
> > >   -- Original message  --
> > > From: Martin 
> > >
> > > "Hu-WHA?" - H Farnsworth, c.3000
> > >
> > > I couldn't *imagine* walking into a theater and *not* smelling 
> popcorn. And
> > > this is honestly the *first* time I've ever heard of anyone 
> complaining
> > > about the smell of the stuff. As for the health issues incumbent, 
> I'm
> > > admittedly clueless here. But I *can* safely say that it's a lot 
> more
> > > dangerous to breathe the air on the way over...
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 8/10/08, Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> aladvantage.
> > > com>* wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com>
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] The End' for popcorn in British cinemas
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > > Cc: "'CINQUE'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net>
> > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:16 PM
> > >
> > > *Sat Aug 9, 9:13 PM ET*
> > >
> > > http://news. yahoo.com/ s/afp/20080810/ od_afp/entertain 
> mentbritainfilmf
> > > oodoffbeat; _ylt=AlfEvQw1qbI eeJrlAUAp7q0uQE4 F
> > >
> > > LONDON (AFP) - The credits are rolling in Britain for the time-
> honoured
> > > cinematic tradition of munching popcorn at the movies -- a 
> newspaper
> > > reported Sunday that increasing numbers of cinemas are banning it.
> > >
> > > A combination of health-conscious cinemagoers rejecting sugar-
> coated
> > > popcorn and disgust at its distinctive smell is steadily 
> spelling "The End"
> > > for the snack in some arthouse cinema chains, the Observer 
> reported.
> > >
> > > It quoted Daniel Broch, the owner of the renowned Everyman cinema 
> in
> > > London's upmarket Hampstead district, who recently bought 17 more 
> venues.
> > >
> > > "I will de-popcorn every new venue I acquire," he said. "It has a
> > > disproportionate influence on the space in terms of its 
> overwhelming smell,
> > > the cultural idea of it and the operational problems created by 
> the mess it
> > > produces.
> > >
> > > "I'm not saying no popcorn is better than popcorn," he 
> added. "But I am
> > > saying there is no way in which it fits with the culturally 
> sophisticated
> > > brand I wish to sell."
> > >
> > > The Picturehouse Cinema, a chain of 19 cinemas across Britain, 
> will
> > > experiment with popcorn-free screenings in September.
> > >
> > > "Popcorn is a contentious issue. Lots of people absolutely hate 
> it and have
> > > asked us to ban it, so we're going to do exactly that," the 
> group's head of
> > > media, Gabriel Swartland, told the Observer.
> > >
> > > "If it's a success, and I've no reason to suspect it won't be, 
> we

[scifinoir2] Re: Former Heroes Fans

[tdemorsella]

True, but Kringe's scripts were written before the strike.  He planned
to have a mini mid- season conclusion of a major story was in response
to fan erosion of Jericho and Lost.  There are lots of interviews with
him before the season, during the season and after.  The major changes
we hated were by design, not because of the shortened season.  Now, I
will admit that it is possible, I might have grown to like some of the
new characters brought in that I hated, or the direction they took
some of the story lines or the fact that that by spending so much time
with the new characters, they seemed to be ignoring the characters I
had grown to love, but I doubt it.  The more I saw of some characters
and plots, the more irritated I became.  I struggled to stick with the
shorteneed season, so I have my doubts that more of the same would
have helped

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don't forget there was a writers strike going on and a lot of shows
> didn't end up like anything during that time or got cut short, or had
> to wrap up quickly. The effects of which we are still feeling
> today..i.e. no Harry Potter movie this year
> 
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, tdemorsella
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > While I did not think season one was crappy, I really can't refute
> > much else of what you say except one important point. Heroes took
> > massive losses when it came to viewership. So much so, they canceled
> > all spin-off plans even though it had a time slot, the cast was hired,
> > some scripts were written, the directors were directors. Kringe had
> > been offered other opportunities to helm non-heroes related show, I
> > have not heard anything about them in recent months. Advertisers who
> > paid the high rates because of the success of the first season were
> > not happy. Other advertisers thinking of buying time backed out.
> > It also did not do well as a leadin show last season. Critics and
> > fans who prasised it in season one, panned it. So I ask you what
> > about that makes in now such a success that Kringe would not need to
> > prove himself as not being a one hit, one season wonder?
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Omari Confer" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The fact that the storylines wrapped up too easily and that the
> > finale was
> >> something out of a bad DC comic from the 70's...oh and lets throw
in the
> >> fact that dudes brother had to fly him to the sky to save the people
> > when
> >> Pete had flying powers
> >>
> >> bad 
> >>
> >> oh and dont get seduced by a good trailer.it doesnt take much to
> > attract
> >> fans of genre entertainment...
> >>
> >> "Level 5"
> >>
> >> "Cheerleader chick is bad...or something"
> >>
> >> "Villians take over..."
> >>
> >> Listen closely fans..
> >>
> >> Because Heroes is successful they have no reason to improve the
> > showthus
> >> more of the same
> >>
> >> The best it can get will be like season one andthat was crappy...
> >>
> >> Oh I shant forget...
> >>
> >> Season 2...a Samurai white guy named Logan?
> >>
> >> Anyone with 2 cents knows that is wolverine.
> >>
> >> damn
> >>
> >> (i used the word shant...awesome..)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> >> tdlists@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I understand. I felt the same way after seeing season two, but
> > that
> >> > preview, is making me rethink, my condemnation. I did not love
> > the ending
> >> > to the first season, but it did not bother me as much as the
> > second season.
> >> > What upset you so about the finale?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> >> > Behalf Of *Omari Confer
> >> > *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 11:59 PM
> >> > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >> > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Former Heroes Fans
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Previous to the first season of Heroes, I had been waiting for a
> > show like
> >> > this all my lifeSeason One finale was a big downer...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They have "Lost" me forever
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > c w m
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 8/16/08, *Tracey de Morsella* 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Like most people who were blown away by the first season of
Heroes, I
> >> > thought season two was just horrible. I just saw the fall preview
> > video
> >> > clip and I think the creator of the show wants to redeem his
> > reputation and
> >> > that he might just do it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Check it out and let me know what you think
> >> >
> >> > *http://tinyurl.com/5unx4o*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > cwm blog
> >> > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> >> > STRING THEORY
> >> > http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> cwm blog
> >> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> >> STRING THEORY
> >> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
> >>
> >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Batman Animated Flick on Cartoon Network Now

[tdemorsella]

They played this alot on HBO when I was in Mexico.  I liked it

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Never heard of this flick, but there's a movie called "Batman:
Mystery of Batwoman" on Cartoon Network right now. Batman encounters
Batwoman, the African-American daughter of a crime boss who I think is
a vigilante herself. The movie was made in 2003, and features most of
the original voice actors, including Kevin Conroy as Batman/Bruce
Wayne.  I note that Commissioner Gordon looks older and thinner, and
Robin is Tim Drake, so the timeframe of this movie would take place
during the second incarnation of the Batman animated series, when Dick
Grayson is Nightwing.  And Bane is one of the featured villains
> Funny, the ethnic diversity of this movie--Batwoman's race seems to
open up the field for a lot of Back characters--makes for interesting
dialogue. As Bruce Wayne escorts Batwoman (in her civilian guise) to a
club, a Brother sees her sashaying by and says "Umm. Can I get some
fries with that shake?"
>

1218924180

[tdemorsella]

While I did not think season one was crappy, I really can't refute
much else of what you say except one important point.  Heroes took
massive losses when it came to viewership. So much so, they canceled
all spin-off plans even though it had a time slot, the cast was hired,
some scripts were written, the directors were directors.   Kringe had
been offered other opportunities to helm non-heroes related show, I
have not heard anything about them in recent months.   Advertisers who
paid the high rates because of the success of the first season were
not happy.  Other advertisers thinking of buying time backed out.
 It also did not do well as a leadin show last season.  Critics and
fans who prasised it in season one, panned it.  So I ask you what
about that makes in now such a success that Kringe would not need to
prove himself as not being a one hit, one season wonder?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Omari Confer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The fact that the storylines wrapped up too easily and that the
finale was
> something out of a bad DC comic from the 70's...oh and lets throw in the
> fact that dudes brother had to fly him to the sky to save the people
when
> Pete had flying powers
> 
> bad 
> 
> oh and dont get seduced by a good trailer.it doesnt take much to
attract
> fans of genre entertainment...
> 
> "Level 5"
> 
> "Cheerleader chick is bad...or something"
> 
> "Villians take over..."
> 
> Listen closely fans..
> 
> Because Heroes is successful they have no reason to improve the
showthus
> more of the same
> 
> The best it can get will be like season one andthat was crappy...
> 
> Oh I shant forget...
> 
> Season 2...a Samurai white guy named Logan?
> 
> Anyone with 2 cents knows that is wolverine.
> 
> damn
> 
> (i used the word shant...awesome..)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >I understand.  I felt the same way after seeing season two, but
that
> > preview, is making me rethink, my condemnation.  I did not love
the ending
> > to the first season, but it did not bother me as much as the
second season.
> > What upset you so about the finale?
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> > Behalf Of *Omari Confer
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 11:59 PM
> > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Former Heroes Fans
> >
> >
> >
> > Previous to the first season of Heroes, I had been waiting for a
show like
> > this all my lifeSeason One finale was a big downer...
> >
> >
> >
> > They have "Lost" me forever
> >
> >
> >
> > c w m
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/16/08, *Tracey de Morsella* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Like most people who were blown away by the first season of Heroes, I
> > thought season two was just horrible.  I just saw the fall preview
video
> > clip and I think the creator of the show wants to redeem his
reputation and
> > that he might just do it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Check it out and let me know what you think
> >
> > *http://tinyurl.com/5unx4o*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cwm blog
> > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> > STRING THEORY
> > http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
> >   
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> cwm blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
>

[scifinoir2] Attachments Now Allowed for non-moderated members

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A long time ago, I disabled attachments because spammers were sending
viruses.  Today, I just enabled the attachment feature, but spammers
will not be able to post attachments because they are moderated and I
can remove delete their posts

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I'm glad I misunderstood and that you voted for who you wanted - no
matter who that is.  I did not perceive you as someone who could be
pressured by others in your political decision making.  

I'm bias, but I do not think she gets a raw deal on ambition.  I agree
with you on the point that Obama is extremely ambitious. I think he is
as ambitious as her, but is better at taking the long view of the
repercussions of his actions.  She sometimes thinks in the short term
and plans to deal with the fall out later. I think she has made a
number of moves that are perceived to place her ambitions above the
future of the party, comrades in the senate, or would-be allies.  I
know Obama has done some things in the name of ambition that are not
so positive, but they did not have far reaching repercussions--at
least not yet.  I realize most that like her just see moves as being
the way you have to be to win.  However, if that is the case then the
definition of win is debatable.

the follow are a few of the most recent steps she has taken to creat
these cutthroat perceptions of her ambitions:

When Dems win, it is often because Blacks put them over the top.  Once
the Clintons realized they had lost Blacks, they started a subtle
southern strategy usually used by republicans.  Republicans always say
blacks are stupid for blindly following the dems.  The reason most of
us do is because of the white southern strategy of say and doing
things coded to reach white men who are racist.  When the Clintons did
that they risked the party because if blacks had stayed home, it would
have affected everybody down ticket.  They reinforced this by saying
over and over that Obama injected race into the election and that they
did nothing.  Many people still believe it.  But it will help her win,
so that is what is important.  

After dems finally won over the majority of Hispanics they Clinton
using rhetoric that Hispanics do not like Blacks and will not support
one in an elections.  While it is true with many older Hispanics, most
younger Hispanics have supported Blacks in the recent past.   Again,
this line was designed to get Hispanics aligned with her but
endangered the whole party and down ticket elections if Obama won,
because many Hispanics now hate republicans, but like Mc Cain.  The
dems like to be perceived as for all people and she screwed with their
40 year brand.But it will help her win, so that is what is
important.  

As a woman, there have been numerous times when I perceive gender bias
impacting the race, however, the Clintons have a contentious
relationship with the media that has nothing to do with bias.  
Additionally, the media is sitting on a minimum of 10 scandals in
which one or both of them are involved that they will only report on
if the republicans introduce any of them.  In one instance the only
reason Hillary was not arrested is because of her stature as first
lady. Yet they say the media is soft on Obama because of gender bias.
 Sometimes when the media reports facts or numbers they scream gender
bias.  As a result you has whole feminist organizations pitted against
each other.  As a result young and older women are warring with each
other.  When what is really at work is a Clinton blow back.  Women
make up over 55-60% of democratic voters.  Again she risked part of
the party splintering. But it will help her win, so that is what is
important.  using complaints about that bias as a tactic for winning
does not make me warm and fuzzy as a feminist.  Most women in power do
not complain.

She repeatedly called on democrats to vote on her gas tax proposal
that they all thought was pandering.  She in effect said, you are
either with me or against me when she knew some were in the middle of
raising their state gas tax to fix bridges.  Had Obama not stood up to
her and convinced most people it was a bad move, some of of her allies
in the senate would have been severely damaged politically had she
continue with the proposal.  But it will help her win, so that is what
is important.  Ironically, it played into her reputation as a liar and
I think it cost her many votes in Indiana and North Carolina.She
sometimes is her own worst enemy. 

When Gore was running for office, she siphoned fundraising money for
her senate campaign to the sum of a $140 million, even though her
opponent was polling poorly and had a $million dollar budget.  She did
the same to Kerry for her re-election campaign.

Regarding Michigan and Florida, so that she can claim the nomination
she is backtracking on support of the rules, If she was not Hillary
Clinton they would not even be paying attention.  She has people fired
up on those states who were not fired up before she decided not to
support the rules once she discovered she was losing.  This works
against party interests because they struggle to stop states from
holding primaries early, if they let Clinton get her way they think
mayhem will ensue.  But it will help her win, so that is wh

[scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket

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I agree.  In addition to worry about his safety (I'm only half
kidding).  I think she and Bill wound work agressively to make him
politically impotent.  They would triangulate and contradict his
efforts.  

I think both are used to being in charge and struggle to "play nice
politically" and to working in the interests of all as evidenced by
loss of democrats  at the federal, state and local level; her
reluctance to campaign for congressional dems, her reluctance to
contribute to to the campaigns of congressionals dems, her ease in
threatening those who do not do what she wants, her ease in taking
credit for the work of others;  intentionally undermining Kerry last
year;  siphoning fundraising money from congressional dems running for
re-elections and well as doing the same to Kerry and Gore for her
senate campaign.  Her opponent had $4 million dollars and yet she
needed $140 million to run against him.

She is not a team player except for when she is leading the team
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she
shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As
listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even
imagine what it'd be like to have him:  angry at Hillary being only
the veep, disparaging of Obama's "lack of experience", full of himself
and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama
would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and
frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have.
> The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez,
and everything from her veiled racist strategy ("I get hard-working,
white voters") to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the
scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that
she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face.
> 
> She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try
again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and
challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be?
Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the
nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with
that potential hazard.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story
> chicagotribune.com
> 
> Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
> 
> Tribune staff report
> 
> May 18, 2008
> 
> The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm
> ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous
> strategery.
> 
> So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary
> Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket:
> 
> 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his
> candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington.
> 
> 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign
> trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of "the old way of doing
> politics" Obama has disparaged.
> 
> 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an inability to stay
> on message and keep his foot out of his mouth.
> 
> 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings are from 7 to 16
> points higher than Obama's in recent national polls.
> 
> 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: The "I believe
> that I've met the qualifications to be commander-in-chief" ad will
> show her saying, "Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have
> to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy."
> 
> 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought several times
> to reporters in early March: "I have a lifetime of experience that I
> will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of
> experience that he'd bring to the White House.
> 
> And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
> 
> 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road approach has kept
> him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to do: Dig up
> the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and turn over
> every rock from the last eight years looking for more.
> 
> 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. Bill
> Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another young
> moderate Democrat from the mid-South — Al Gore of Tennessee — and the
> two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Tapping's Departure, Picardo's Arrival

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By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Apr-02-2008

The rotating door that is the starring role of "Stargate: Atlantis" is
something that would be detrimental to many series, but the departure
of Amanda Tapping from the SciFi Channel show after just one season
definitely won't be a killer. Especially since she'll be replaced by
former "Star Trek: Voyager" actor Robert Picardo.

"I love Bob Picardo," David Read, co-editor of popular Stargate Web
site GateWorld told SyFy Radio last week. "I've met him a couple of
times [and] the man is one of my heroes."

However, even Read admits that the writers of "Atlantis" will have to
be careful about how Picardo's recurring character of Richard Woolsey
is handled, otherwise he could become more hated than Corin Nemec's
"Stargate SG-1" character Jonas Quinn, who was hated more for who he
replaced (Michael Shanks' Daniel Jackson) than the character himself.

"The guy is very political, and that makes people real jaded around
him," Read said. "By the end of the first season, we are going to see
that fans are going to love this character. In order for it to work,
[Woolsey] is going to have to start rooting for the home team."

Picardo has big shoes to fill. Tapping has been a staple of the
Stargate franchise for more than a decade, but her departure from the
show had nothing to do with her thoughts or feelings about the
franchise, or its fans. It had far more to do with her new series with
Damian Kindler, "Sanctuary."

"She was at a crossroads in her life," Read said. "She spent 11 years
on this show, 11 years on this one character. And now here is an
opportunity for her to become a lead actress and an executive producer
on a brand new television show."

MGM offered Tapping a "wonderful contract" to stay, but she had to
turn it down.

"She would've had to put Stargate first, and [because of her desire to
work on 'Sanctuary'], she couldn't do it," Read said.

Filming for "Sanctuary" begins this month, and centers around Dr.
Helen Magnus, an immortal protector of aliens in a series that began
as a computer-generated world first found on the Internet. SciFi
Channel, impressed with the work, greenlighted a series pickup that
could have the show on the air later this year.

http://www.syfyportal.com/news424885.html

[scifinoir2] Series Creators Depart 'Smallville'

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By ALAN STANLEY BLAIR
Source: TV Guide
Apr-03-2008

They developed the Superman mythology for television, but now
"Smallville" creators have gone up, up and away, leaving the series
far behind.

In a mildly shocking announcement, Al Gough and Miles Millar have
confirmed that they will depart "Smallville" after the conclusion of
the current seventh season, despite The CW picking the series up for
yet another year. No real reason for their exit has been announced,
however in their love letter to fans the dynamic duo have said only
that it is time for them to move on and also thanked the entire cast
and crew for their efforts over the years, as well as the viewers who
helped turn the series into such a success.

"Over the last seven years we have had the honor of working with a
remarkable team of people here in Los Angeles and in Vancouver," the
two said in an open letter to the fans. "We have been blessed with a
wonderful cast who we have watched mature with admiration and
affection. We have been rewarded with a fan base that is as loyal as
it is vocal.

Both Gough and Millar said they were proud of the work they did on
"Smallville," and that they accomplished everything they set out to do
on the show without ever compromising their vision.

"We leave knowing that 'Smallivlle' is the longest-running comic
book-based series of all time," they said. "The show was featured on
the covers of Rolling Stone, Mad Magazine, TV Guide and Entertainment
Weekly. The pilot had the highest-rated premiere in the history of The
WB."

Gough and Millar haven't cleared out of their offices just yet, but
The CW has already been looking for replacements for the two, deciding
on elevating Darren Swimmer, Todd Slavkin, Kelly Souders and Brian
Peterson to leadership roles on the show.

"Al Gough and Miles Millar have been great partners and instrumental
in the development and success of 'Smallville,'" a CW representative
said. Swimmer and company "have been writing for the show for the past
six seasons, and as producers for the last four years. They have
played an integral role in the ongoing creative evolution of the
series. As showrunners, they will continue to deliver the compelling
storyline that 'Smallville' fans have come to expect and love."

 Gough and Miller aren't the only ones departing the series in the
eighth season as show stars Michael Rosenbaum and Kristen Kruek (who
play Lex Luthor and Lana Lang) have also confirmed that they will not
be back full time next year. Reports also suggest that at least one
other character will be permanently leaving the show.

Throughout its seven-year run, "Smallville" has not only tackled the
many facets of the Superman mythos, but also that of several other
popular comic book characters. Among their ranks are The
Flash/Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Black Canary and more
recently Supergirl. The series has developed a strong online following
and has featured various guest stars from other Superman projects
including Dean Caine, Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve.

"Smallville" airs Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET on The CW.
http://www.syfyportal.com/news424892.html

[scifinoir2] 'Battlestar Galactica' Plan Subject To Change

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By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Apr-02-2008

Before every episode, watchers of "Battlestar Galactica" are told the
Cylons have a plan, a plan which has been sliced up and given to its
audience in small doses.

While the Cylons are planning, the writers behind "Battlestar
Galactica" are sometimes playing it by ear, allowing the natural flow
of storytelling to help lay out the path that will bring the show to
its highly anticipated series finale.

"The truth is, nothing's nailed down until the final episode is
written, shot and edited," David Weddle, supervising producer of
"Battlestar Galactica" and one of the writers of Friday's Season 4
premiere told SyFy Portal's Michael Hinman. "Everything is always in
flux and anything could still happen. That's what makes it such an
exciting show to write and to watch."

That doesn't mean there won't be continuity, because the writing team
that includes Weddle and partner in crime Bradley Thompson have been
utilizing the technique of retroactive continuity, or as fans like to
call it, the retcon. Finding a retcon isn't easy because viewers
typically don't know what was planned out ahead of time, and what was
simply picked up from previous episodes to run with.

Many fans had questioned whether or not the mysterious painting found
on the wall of Starbuck's apartment in the second season episode of
"Valley of Darkness" that was featured in later episodes was part of
the plan all along, or a retcon.

Fans now have their answer.

"The mandala that Kara painted since she was a child and that later
showed up in the clouds to lure her to her 'death' was something Brad
and I went back and discovered when we were writing 'Rapture,'" Weddle
said. Executive Producer Ronald D. Moore "wanter her to see something
on the Temple of Five on the algae planet that would relate to a
larger destiny, something that no one else would recognize. We went
back and screened the scenes from 'Valley of Darkness' and noticed the
mandala that she had painted on her apartment wall. That gave us the
idea to put it on the temple and to build it into her backstory in
'Maelstrom.'"

None of the story surrounding the mandala was planned out ahead of
time, Weddle said. In spite of that, they were able to develop a
strong story, and find ways to link different aspects of the series
together, and the same will happen with "Maelstrom," and how that will
affect Starbuck's final journey in the fourth season.

'Maelstrom' is permeated with clues that will have unexpected payoffs
in future episodes, as are all of the other episodes," Weddle said.
"Sometimes even the writers don't know which details will turn out to
be critical clues because of the organic way in which the show is
written. This is because we build on what we've already written,
rather than map out every little detail ahead of time."

The genesis of the "Maelstrom" actually came from executive producer
David Eick, who had pitched an idea about Apollo and Starbuck having
to fight a Viper dogfight in the dark, and at the bleakest moment when
they both thought they were going to die, they learned something about
each other that changed their relationship.

"When the room went to break the show, we began to wonder whether that
was really the story we wanted to tell," Thompson said. "David Weddle
remembered something Katee [Sackhoff] had said she wanted to do -- pay
off the clues about the relationship she had with her mother. So with
that as a starting point, the room went back at the story to go to the
dogfight and Kara going down."

But it wouldn't end there. That's when Moore offered an idea that
would eventually get fandom up in arms, and created one of the more
memorable moments of Season 3.

"I believe it was Ron who said, 'The whole audience is sure Lee will
pull her out at the last minute. We should kill her,'" Thompson said.
"Thus it was spoken, thus it became. And once it was, we pondered the
wondrous door that had opened. And a man appeared on a flaming pie and
said, 'Henceforth, you are Battlestar with an A.'"

The overall story may have moved to a stronger focus on Starbuck, but
just as she states in the series, her fate has already been laid out
by the writers and producers.

"Ron Moore had some very strong ideas about Starbuck and the ultimate
role she would play in the broad canvas of the series, and that
figured very strongly in the writing of 'Maelstrom,'" Weddle said.
"But the specifics of Starbuck's journey and how it would play out in
Season 4 were not nailed down until we had our writer's retreat in
Lake Tahoe to map out Season 4. And there are still many details that
have not been fleshed out."

As "Battlestar Galactica" prepares its spot in the annals of
television history, a lot of question has surfaced on how the show
will be remembered. Will it be known as the show that carried only the
name of a 1970s show? Will it be considered the innovator on a new way
to approach science-fiction? Or will it simply be a television 

[scifinoir2] Heroes Returns; Origins Dies

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Heroes Returns; Origins Dies

Heroes will return to NBC on Sept. 15 with an expanded third-season
opener, but network executives confirmed that the proposed prequel
spinoff, Heroes: Origins, is officially dead.

"We consciously chose to rest [Heroes] this spring so that [creator]
Tim Kring and his team could get ahead of the creative and build up to
a massive event--a three-hour Heroes night," Ben Silverman,
co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said
during the network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York
on April 2. "On Monday, Sept. 15, we'll kick off with a Heroes clip
show to try to bring back the audience and [then air] a massive
two-hour Heroes film."

Silverman also explained why the heavily hyped, much-anticipated
Heroes: Origins was scrapped. The show was originally conceived to
help eliminate Heroes repeats, and directors and writers--including
feature-film vets Kevin Smith, Eli Roth and Michael Dougherty--were
already lined up before NBC dropped the idea.

"We were taxing our creative team to do too much around that,"
Silverman said. "We wanted 35 Heroes [episodes] and 12 Heroes:
Origins, each of which was supposed to be a mini-movie and backdoor
pilot. We reached far and challenged our people, and we decided it was
better to focus on keeping the Heroes mothership as strong as possible."

Heroes will air Mondays at 9 p.m. ET/PT. (NBC is owned by NBC
Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling 
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[scifinoir2] Heroes Will Air In A Block

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Heroes Will Air In A Block

NBC's returning genre shows--Heroes, Chuck and Medium--will each air a
full complement of original episodes next season, in contrast to this
year's strike-truncated season, with Heroes and Chuck set to air
without repeats through December.

The announcements came at the network's presentation to advertisers in
New York on April 2.

"We not only have the biggest star of TV, we have movie stars on NBC,"
Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media
Studios, said during the presentation. "The talent on NBC are the
breakout talent and the cultural, relevant, leading icons of all of
television. It's a hallmark of what we do, and as you'll see, ... all
of your favorites are coming back."

Heroes will return to the schedule on Sept. 15 with an hourlong clip
show premiering at 8 p.m. ET/PT and a two-hour season premiere airing
at 9 p.m., its regular timeslot.

Chuck, meanwhile, will debut in the fall in its regular Monday 8 p.m.
timeslot. Rounding out a night of genre fare, newcomer My Own Worst
Enemy--starring Christian Slater as a man with a Mr. Hyde-like alter
ego--will air at 10 p.m.

Medium was one of several surprise renewals. It, along with Lipstick
Jungle and Friday Night Lights, was considered on the bubble, as
likely to be axed as to return. The Patricia Arquette series, about a
psychic family woman who helps solve crimes, will return to the
schedule in either late 2008 or early 2009 in a new timeslot.

"Medium is on Sunday nights at 9 right now, following [newcomer]
Merlin into [the previously announced new series ] Kings," Silverman
said. "I don't know the exact day we premiere all of that. I think
it's February 23, but I'm not sure."

(NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling
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[scifinoir2] Bionic Failure Informs Knight

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Bionic Failure Informs Knight

Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media
Studios, said that the network took the lessons it learned the hard
way from its failed reboot Bionic Woman and applied them to the
upcoming remake of Knight Rider.

Bionic Woman started off well, then sputtered out creatively and in
the ratings, and it was not renewed for a second season. NBC conceded
that the rush to get the show on air ultimately hurt it.

Moving forward with Knight Rider after the success of a backdoor pilot
that aired in February, the network elected to take its time with the
weekly version, a sequel to the original 1980s series that starred
David Hasselhoff.

"We saw it with [Fox's] Terminator [The Sarah Connor Chronicles], and
we saw it with Bionic Woman: big openings, big branded titles, draw
open the tent, and the show didn't deliver on that $10 million pilot,"
Silverman said in response to a SCI FI Wire question during the
network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2.
"What we're doing with Knight Rider is we consciously delivered it on
air [in February] so that we had nine months to make sure that series
is great."

To wit, Silverman said, NBC recently tapped Gary Scott Thompson as the
Knight Rider show runner. Thompson most recently was show runner on
NBC's hit series Las Vegas, and he also knows from cars--having
scripted The Fast and the Furious--and from SF, having penned the
story for Hollow Man.

"We just brought on [Thompson] to be our partner on it creatively,"
Silverman said. "We're hiring a staff. We're hiring the cast. We're
honing the writing crew. And we're ensuring that the show lives up to
the audience's expectation. The audience turned on and tuned in to the
two-hour movie premiere. Now we need to make sure they come in week in
and week out, and for that we've got to take a rigorous
approahttp://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=51674ch.";

Knight Rider will premiere in the fall. (NBC is owned by NBC
Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling 

[scifinoir2] NBC Unveils SF-Heavy Slate

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NBC unveiled a 2008-'09 television schedule that's dominated by new
and returning SF, fantasy and horror programming, including a series
revival of Knight Rider and a new anthology series called Fear Itself,
as well as the renewal of Medium, whose fate had been in question.

The announcements came at the network's "infront" (the new nickname
for upfronts) presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2.

The shows and miniseries will be part of the network's ambitious
52-week program strategy and will premiere anytime between this May
and summer 2009.

The new series include Kings, Fear Itself and Knight Rider, all of
which had been expected to make the schedule, as well as the surprise
entries My Own Worst Enemy and The Listener.

Waiting in the wings is Merlin. Also on the way is The Last Templar, a
Da Vinci Code-esque miniseries.

Returning shows include Chuck and Heroes, which had previously been
announced and which will premiere in September, and Medium, which was
reportedly on the bubble but will return next winter for a fifth season.

Speaking of the NBC slate in his presentation, Ben Silverman,
co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said,
"There is a ton of noise out there. There is a cacophony of crap. Even
the sports pages are filled with scandal. We need to break through and
deliver eternal themes and heroic themes and entertaining themes and
escapist themes. We're going to give you real heroes and superheroes,
and we're going to engage you with our content in a dramatic,
emotional way."

Debuting on May 29:

Fear Itself. The show, a horror anthology series from the makers of
Masters of Horror, will feature such stars as John Billingsley and
Shiri Appleby and showcase the talents of directors including Brad
Anderson, Mary Harron, Ernest Dickerson, Ronny Yu, John Carpenter and
Stuart Gordon.

Shows on the fall 2008-'09 schedule:

Chuck, airing Mondays at 8 p.m. ET/PT.

Heroes, airing Mondays at 9 p.m.

My Own Worst Enemy, airing Mondays at 10 p.m. Christian Slater makes
his television series debut as Henry Spivey, an efficiency expert and
married father of two who learns that he has an alter ego named Edward
Albright, an operative who speaks numerous languages and can kill with
his teeth. The network is touting it as "Jekyll and Hyde meets Jason
Bourne." Heroes veteran David Semel directed the pilot and will stay
on as executive producer.

Knight Rider, airing Wednesdays at 8 p.m. NBC scored a hit with a
two-hour backdoor pilot movie that aired in February, and the series
picks up where the movie left off. K.I.T.T., the supercar with a mind
of its own, returns, as do stars Justin Bruening, Deanna Russo, Sydney
Tamiia Poitier and Bruce Davison.

Shows debuting in winter 2009:

Merlin, airing Sundays at 8 p.m. A fantasy series set in Camelot but
inspired by 21st-century storytelling, Merlin stars Colin Morgan
(Doctor Who) as the title character and Bradley James as Arthur, and
it explores the characters' lives before they became legends. Co-stars
include Anthony Head (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), Richard Wilson and
Angel Coulby.

Kings, airing Sundays at 10. A modern-day spin on the King David tale,
the show stars Christopher Egan as David and Ian McShane as the king.
Michael Green (Heroes) penned the pilot and will executive-produce. I
Am Legend helmer Francis Lawrence directed the pilot and will
executive-produce the series as well.

Series debuting in summer 2009:

The Listener, airing Thursdays at 10 p.m. Toby Logan (Craig Olejinik
of Thirteen Ghosts) is a 24-year-old paramedic and telepath who's
always ignored his ability to hear people's thoughts ... until now.
Having changed his mind, he uses his unique gift to help others.

Miniseries debuting in 2009:

The Last Templar. In this four-hour miniseries, four horsemen dressed
as knights crash the New York Metropolitan Museum during the opening
of an exhibition of Vatican treasures and swipe an arcane medieval
decoder, thereby sending an archaeologist (Mira Sorvino) and an FBI
agent (Scott Foley) on a wild chase for the secrets of the Knights
Templar. Co-stars include Victor Garber and Omar Sharif.

(NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=51590

[scifinoir2] Let's all become friends on Netflix

[tdemorsella]

Earlier today, Bosco put us onto Netflix friends.  

You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link:
http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm 

Netflix Friends allows you to share movie ideas and notes with your
friends. First you invite friends to connect with you and when they
accept, they are part of your Friends list. With Netflix friends, you
can see what each of your friends think about specific movies, suggest
movies them and add comments next to films that will help your friends
choose movies or avoid those you didn't enjoy.

So lets see if those of us who get films from Netflix, can all come
together via Netflix to make recommendations to eachother, share
reviews, and who knows what.

You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link:
http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm 

[scifinoir2] Bad Movies Confession Time Re: Jumper - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!

[tdemorsella]

guys sorry.  I'm not illiterate.  I just play one on the list.  I will
try not to post so rushed in the future

-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So gang.  It seems like it is a given that some us go to or rent
> movies we pretty much knoware going to be bad.  So lets make it a
> confession time and open up about other bad flicks we saw knowing they
> were going to to be bad.  
> 
> I have to think on it, but most recently, I saw Wild Hogs.  Don't kick
> me off the list, but I thought the first half was hilarious.  I
> watched a really bad one star movie, Cyber Wars also known as Avatar
> or  Matrix Hunter.  It starred Joseph Lau, David Warner (Jack the
> Ripper, Hog Father), and Joan Chen (twin Peaks) The Plot: In the near
> future in the Asian city-state Sintawan, everyone's identity is
> recorded in the vast CyberLink. The only way around this is using
> illegal simulated identity implants (sims). A young bounty hunter who
> makes her living tracking sims, finds herself the unlikely ally of a
> police detective who suspects the CyberLink is being perverted for an
> insidious and deadly purpose
> 
> Okay, your turn
> 
> tracey
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin  wrote:
> >
> > Give 'em time, Tracey.
> > 
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
>   I saw it.  It definitely was not theater
> worthy, but I think it would be 
> >  a great TV show.  I love the teleportation concept and some of the 
> >  mythology and laws were good too.  Unfortunately, it came across
> like a 
> >  pilot movie for a scifi tv show.   To mad it is not a tv series
> >  
> >  ravenadal wrote:
> >  > To me, teleportation has always been the coolest of all
> superpowers.  
> >  > Couple it with a "proximity sense," keen hearing (so you can hear 
> >  > when a shot is fired and teleport an instant before it gets
there), 
> >  > or just plain "common sense" and you have one heck of a skill set!
> >  >
> >  > ~rave!
> >  >
> >  > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "DJ VIBE"  wrote:
> >  >   
> >  >>  
> >  >> 
> >  >>>  On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
> >  >>>  >
> >  >>>  
> >  >>>  > There is a scene in the new Jumper movie (no, I have not seen 
> >  >>>   
> >  >> it)
> >  >> 
> >  >>>  >
> >  >>>  >  SPOILER
> >  >>>  >  
> >  >>>   
> >  > ALERT!!
> >  >   
> >  >>>  >
> >  >>>  >  where the hero is watching the aftermath of the Hurricane 
> >  >>>   
> >  >> Karina on
> >  >> 
> >  >>>  >  his television. He gets dressed and teleports...to London, 
> >  >>>   
> >  >> where he
> >  >> 
> >  >>>  >  has a date. So much for great responsibility coming with 
> >  >>>   
> >  > great 
> >  >   
> >  >> power!
> >  >> 
> >  >>>  >
> >  >>>   
> >  >> It was right in keeping with how his character was established in 
> >  >> the movie, although for a moment there I thought he might
think of 
> >  >> using his abilities for good.  
> >  >>
> >  >> Overall, I found the movie pretty good, with one exception.  How 
> >  >> 
> >  > the 
> >  >   
> >  >> hell did the Paladins continually catch jumpers?  Its one
thing if 
> >  >> you get the drop on one, but if you're standing in FRONT of
one who 
> >  >> is fresh and the jumper sees you and you try to get him with your 
> >  >> stun-wand, how are you gonna get him?  In less than three
minutes, 
> >  >> my wife and I came up with several ways to use a teleportation 
> >  >> 
> >  > power 
> >  >   
> >  >> offesinvely (i.e. teleport in a circle around your opponent a la 
> >  >> Nightcrawer. et. al) and in all of those cases we came up
with, no 
> >  >> normal human would have a chance against a jumper.
> >  >>
> >  >> 
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  
> >  > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >   
> >  
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> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> > 
> > 
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A
> Man Without A Country"
> >
> > -
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[scifinoir2] Bad Movies Conferssion Time Re: Jumper - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!

[tdemorsella]

So gang.  It seems like it is a given that some us go to or rent
movies we pretty much knoware going to be bad.  So lets make it a
confession time and open up about other bad flicks we saw knowing they
were going to to be bad.  

I have to think on it, but most recently, I saw Wild Hogs.  Don't kick
me off the list, but I thought the first half was hilarious.  I
watched a really bad one star movie, Cyber Wars also known as Avatar
or  Matrix Hunter.  It starred Joseph Lau, David Warner (Jack the
Ripper, Hog Father), and Joan Chen (twin Peaks) The Plot: In the near
future in the Asian city-state Sintawan, everyone's identity is
recorded in the vast CyberLink. The only way around this is using
illegal simulated identity implants (sims). A young bounty hunter who
makes her living tracking sims, finds herself the unlikely ally of a
police detective who suspects the CyberLink is being perverted for an
insidious and deadly purpose

Okay, your turn

tracey

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Give 'em time, Tracey.
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I saw it.  It definitely was not theater
worthy, but I think it would be 
>  a great TV show.  I love the teleportation concept and some of the 
>  mythology and laws were good too.  Unfortunately, it came across
like a 
>  pilot movie for a scifi tv show.   To mad it is not a tv series
>  
>  ravenadal wrote:
>  > To me, teleportation has always been the coolest of all
superpowers.  
>  > Couple it with a "proximity sense," keen hearing (so you can hear 
>  > when a shot is fired and teleport an instant before it gets there), 
>  > or just plain "common sense" and you have one heck of a skill set!
>  >
>  > ~rave!
>  >
>  > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "DJ VIBE"  wrote:
>  >   
>  >>  
>  >> 
>  >>>  On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
>  >>>  >
>  >>>  
>  >>>  > There is a scene in the new Jumper movie (no, I have not seen 
>  >>>   
>  >> it)
>  >> 
>  >>>  >
>  >>>  >  SPOILER
>  >>>  >  
>  >>>   
>  > ALERT!!
>  >   
>  >>>  >
>  >>>  >  where the hero is watching the aftermath of the Hurricane 
>  >>>   
>  >> Karina on
>  >> 
>  >>>  >  his television. He gets dressed and teleports...to London, 
>  >>>   
>  >> where he
>  >> 
>  >>>  >  has a date. So much for great responsibility coming with 
>  >>>   
>  > great 
>  >   
>  >> power!
>  >> 
>  >>>  >
>  >>>   
>  >> It was right in keeping with how his character was established in 
>  >> the movie, although for a moment there I thought he might think of 
>  >> using his abilities for good.  
>  >>
>  >> Overall, I found the movie pretty good, with one exception.  How 
>  >> 
>  > the 
>  >   
>  >> hell did the Paladins continually catch jumpers?  Its one thing if 
>  >> you get the drop on one, but if you're standing in FRONT of one who 
>  >> is fresh and the jumper sees you and you try to get him with your 
>  >> stun-wand, how are you gonna get him?  In less than three minutes, 
>  >> my wife and I came up with several ways to use a teleportation 
>  >> 
>  > power 
>  >   
>  >> offesinvely (i.e. teleport in a circle around your opponent a la 
>  >> Nightcrawer. et. al) and in all of those cases we came up with, no 
>  >> normal human would have a chance against a jumper.
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >   
>  
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  
>  
>  
>
> 
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A
Man Without A Country"
>
> -
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

I do too.  I hate that his message has been drowned out by the media.
 I also wonder why I find him more believable that Hilary and Obama. 
I used to here great things about Obama inchicago.  I wonder how he
lost his soul so fast.  I guess it was necessary.  Too bad,  That man
cn give a speech

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> I like Edwards' focus on helping the poor and those with insurance
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going
on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips
rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in
Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As
I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife
at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that
morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs
*still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered
to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline
News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a
ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that
morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in
surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his
righteous anger?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as
Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he
did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin
to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One,
that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still
young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin:
the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that
sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end,
and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always,
but often. 
> Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really
standing *for* anything, just saying "I have more experience and I'm
tougher". Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that
*any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because
this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear
frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the
attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have
started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't
enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been
a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of
seeming to be newer and fresher.
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that
Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out
there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on
the same 
> ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year!
> 
> So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma?
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

Hey Veronica:

Glad to see your post.  :)  Do not quell your cynicism. In my opinion
it protects you. Racisim is alive and well (even thriving, cultivated
and growing) here in America The facts are not in.  Someone on the
suggested that Republicans voted for Obama in higher numbers than
Huckabee as part of an effort to know out Edwards and Hilary who some
may perceive to be more electable.  While I have not seen numbers to
back that up yet, I would not be surprised if it were true.  Its been
done before.  If is true, then this is simply business as usually.

I know you are really busy these days, but don't be a stranger to the
board  :)

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "vhenry_89147" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tracey,
> 
> I also had feeling about how impossible it was for Obama to win a
> nomination, let alone the presidency of the United States.
> 
> Perhaps his win in Iowa is an indication that my cynicism over race
> relations in America can someday be quelled. Let's hope. In any event,
> guess we'll see what happens in New Hampshire.
> 
> It still burns me up that some people continue to group the behavior
> of Black people in one all encompassing bucket. If I fit into that
> bucket, I wouldn't love science fiction the way I do, reading or
> writing it. For that matter, I wouldn't practice Yoga or have studied
> computer science either, right?
> 
> Veronica
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Me, like a lot of Blacks who have experienced racism, could not see 
> > White America voting for Obama -- a Black guy.  We'd seen some real 
> > racist stuff come out of even the nicest people.  Surely these people 
> > could not vote for someone that has a member of a race that they 
> > harbored such ugly thoughts and feelings about. .  Then tonite 
> > happened.  Obama won big in a state with only 2% Blacks. After a
great 
> > deal of thought, I think I figured out how he won and why it is
> possible 
> > for him to win.  There are two factors involved:
> > 
> > 1.  Most people - even the nicest people have unconscious biases
> against 
> > people who are different from them.  This often comes in the form of 
> > racism when it comes to Black/White relations.  Most of the time,
they 
> > are not even aware of them, nor do they cultivate these feeling, and 
> > when confronted with some act that shows that the person obviously
has 
> > that bias, he or she will adamantly deny it, because he or she
does not 
> > see him or herself that way.So if you do not consciously see your 
> > self as someone who dislikes Blacks, then why would you not vote for
> him 
> > if you thought he was the best candidate.  Think out it,
theoretically 
> > those people you talk to that do not believe that racism is so
> prevalent 
> > and that when you experience a racist act, you are being
hypersensitive 
> > or pulling the race card, are potential Obama voters.  i personally
> know 
> > one or too who seem to like Obama
> > 
> > 2.  When I was growing up and even as a young adult, I would meet
> people 
> > who really liked and seem to accept me who said to me, "You do not
act 
> > like a  Black person"  Or they would say some horrible thing about 
> > Blacks to me.  When I would ask them then what are you doing with
> me.  I 
> > would here something like, "well you are not like them."  this stuff 
> > used to burn me up.  I can't tell you how many people I kicked to the 
> > curb over this stuff.  Now I think most Whites who feel this way,
know 
> > better then to express these thought out loud.  (Biden being the 
> > exception )  Remember how complimentary Biden was about Obama being 
> > "articulate?" I suspect that Obama has probably had many encounters
> like 
> > the two I described above.  He is able to blend in and be accepted by 
> > people from a variety of backgrounds.  For that reason, I think
people 
> > who might not be overt racists - who do not see themselves as racist, 
> > might not have a problem voting for him.  So its off to New Hampshire 
> > and believe or now, the polls show that he is poised to beat Hilary.
> > 
> > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> > > Wow, i thought Edwards would take first place by a percentage
> point over Obama, with Hillary in third. I had Huckabee, Romney, and
> McCain as 1-2-3, respectively. Looks like Obama pulled off a major
> upset. Huckabee might have some real legs, given that he's a real
> fundamentalist Christian in some ways, but supportive of environmental
> issues, not averse to taxing for the poor, and pretty well respected
> by many Blacks--at least in Arkansas. I never could get with Romney,
> not because he's a Mormon, but because his positions have flip-flopped
> more than anyone in the last few years. Talk about an opportunistic
> chamelon.
> > >
> > > Now, how does Hillary proceed, given that liberal/independent New
> Hampshire might go for Obama and Edwards again, and ditto for South
> Carolina a

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Darryl:

You said to Gymfig, "It is straight up insulting to assume the things
you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come
off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re
children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE
children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and
you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something  you read,
for all we know,  on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business
owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands,
fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most
together groups of people you will (apparently) ever come across
online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like
we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t
the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just
disagree with someone and keep it moving? "


Your mistake is that you are expecting civil, intellectual discourse
that involves a sharing ideas and opinions and backing them up with
cold hard facts.  That is not what you will get in a continued
discourse here.  This is not about difference of opinion, but about
distorting the facts, name calling, hating of men - specifically Black
men, Saying the all of us have a particular behavior lumping some
behaviors  distorting what you say, misunderstanding what you say,
intentionally not addressing salient points, or simply cutting them
out of the reply message to further confuse the issue.   The point is
to anger and wound you with these distortions, not share differing
opinions.  The style of communicating reminds me of a style of a
pundit called Bill Kristol, a famous neocon who works for the Weekly
Standard.  He says things like   

~"90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child
pornography and molestation." 
~"Of all of the dictators in the past, you know the one Al Gore
strikes me as [being] closest [to] is Mussolini., 
~"Notice what this double-talking slut just did, this mind-slut
Barbara Walters. And I stick by those words. She's an empty mind-slut.". 
~" Madeline Albright is "a traitor. In my opinion, she should be tried
for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung." ;
~"Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense
cells of a nation."

Its not that he is right wing.  Like Gymfig, its that his method of
discourse is to incite, insult, distort and enrage.  Pat Robertson and
Joe Scarborough are right wingers who I can watch  (even if I might
not like them)  They back up their statements with facts and don't
seek to insult people in their discussions and debates and can concede
when their facts are incorrect.  That won't happen here in this or any
other conversation as far as I can see.  

This style of non -communication goes back years and seems to  have
been developed into a full-blown art-form.  I've noticed that Gymfig
does this with all her discussions.  We do not usually pay as much
attention to it because she usually just puts down and distorts the
facts about entertainers.  I'm responding now, because she is doing so
about us and our people.  I will probably posting this, but I do not
know when I've encountered someone say so many ugly sweeping
generalizations about me and my people without backing it up with one
fact that was not distorted or who worked so hard to distort what I
have posted.  

So here it is.  This is Black on Black crime and I abhor it.  I guess
I have drawn the line in the sand.  I did not want to, but the Savage
syndrome is likely to continue, so I guess I thought I would let
people know what type of non-conversation they are becoming involved
with and let them decide if they want to waste their time.  Besides
I'm sick of the ridiculing insults.

Darryl, I applaud you for shutting the sick abusive game down.  With
so many of our liberties being taken away from us, I loath to stop
someone from posting their opinion.   I think different opinions have
been one of the best things about the list. As a daughter of a former
 Black Union leader who ran two union newsletter  I place a high value
on freedom of speech (thats right a Black Union Leader-wow!)  So
preventing someone from posting is something I have extremely
reluctant to do.  

Taking a deep depressed exhausted sigh..  

Tracey



> It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black
people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are
to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t
done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO
scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand
sweeping judgments based on something  you read, for all we know,  on
someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians,
elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers,
sisters...this 

[scifinoir2] Del Toro to Resurrect Frankenstein

[tdemorsella]

Del Toro to Resurrect Frankenstein
Helmer also talks Potter and The Hobbit!
by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK
http://movies.ign.com/articles/843/843539p1.html
UK, January 4, 2008 - Guillermo del Toro -- visionary director of
Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth -- is apparently planning a movie version
of Mary Shelly's monster classic Frankenstein.

The Mexican helmer told MTV News he's in planning on the "definitive
take" of the spooky tale, and revealed that he's already begun
pre-production duties and is crafting several drawings. "I started
doing some notes before the strike," he revealed. "[During the strike]
I can only draw now."

Apparently, he's always been interested in directing a version of
Frankenstein. He explained: "The only way to do the Shelley novel is
to actually do a four-hour miniseries, but I think there are
permutations in which you can tell the myth in a different way."

Tantalisingly, del Toro also spoke about possibly directing fanboy
heavyweights The Hobbit and the final Harry Potter film.

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

While gymfig may have cut off the comment.  I'm the one that said
"disintegrating".  Perhaps it is  an exaggeration. I certainly hope
so.   But in some parts of the country, black men have 50%
unemployment, college grad rates of black men are decreasing
dramatically, the percentage of Blacks marrying is dropping
dramatically, blacks placed in prison for petty crimes is increasing,
offsprings of middle class blacks are increasingly falling behind;
college educated blacks are finding it increasingly difficult to find
gainful employment, in states where affirmative action has been
abolished blacks pursuing college degrees has been cut in half. 
Community organizations supporting Black communities are finding it
increasingly difficult to secure funds needed for operation.  I could
cite other factors, but if it is not disintegrating, I think something
bad is definitively happening to us and no has yet figured out how to
stop it.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whoa. Whoa, wait. Whoa.
> 
> Disintegrating? Whowhere? I¹m confused. HOW did we get here? You¹ve
cut off
> the post you  were responding to  and I don¹t follow you  right  now
at all.
> 
> 
> On 1/4/08 4:33 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > In a message dated 1/4/2008 3:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   writes:
> > 
> > then somebody please tell me why the black community
> > seems to be disintegrating.
> > 
> > Black males AND black females must take some form of
responsibility for
> > their problems (education, crime, single homes) and stop blaming
racism and
> > one 
> > another.
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

In my mind, it is all smoke and mirrors.  The reason I wanted Edwards
is his history of going for the corporate juggler and he seems to be a
donor outsider.   All are hungry for power and that brass ring.  I
think its about picking the lessor of all evils.  Who is likely not to
attack Iran.  Who might cut a few taxes to look good.  Who might
restore some civil liberties or at least prevent some more from being
taken away.  Despite his riches, the powers that be went out of their
way to marginalize Edwards and his history as an attack pit bull up
against the big guys  made me opt for him.  I think his history and
some of his rhetoric terrifies corporate America. That made him my
choice as the lessor of all evils. 

I wanted Gore, because Gore in his writings admitted that before 2000,
that he had sold his soul.  I think the new Gore coming back from
having the election stolen would not have sold his soul this time
around.  I also think he did not run because he knew that he would not
be able to run and win unless he sold his soul.  Selling your soul is
a prerequisite for the job as the leader of our country.  The powers
that be have seen to that.  I thought Edwards, still might have a
little of his left intact

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:02:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> It takes a hook. Clinton has access to ALL of
> this, AND a hook, but her true underwear is showing. As Tracey said,
Clinton
> is mad right wing with hers. Nobody wants to go down that  road again.
> 
> Edwards is a very rich man
> Obama is a rich man
>  
> To say that they respresent poor white men is a joke. Pba,as tried a
liberal 
> foreign policy in the debate and was criticized for it. Especially
with his 
> "Palestinian people are opprssed
> speech.  He will have to become more right wing to fit into a
realistic real 
> war. The Democratic controlled Congress has not been able to cut off
funding 
> or stop the war. Do you think Obama or Edwards can do that? The
Pentagon and 
> the corporations that put them there will not allow that to happen.
 Do no be so 
> quick to be the liberal that could. Liberal Democrrats  have not done 
> anything for the war and have not done anything for this country.
They still vote to 
> send jobs pverseas/ They still fund the war. They still cant balence
the 
> budget. Obama will have to give in to conservative Republicans/ To
say that he will 
> be some great liberal savior is a joke. Even Edwards knows this. 
> 
> 
> 
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

Not that I do not believe you about more Repblicans went for him than
Huckabee.  It rings true for me to some degree because of the high
number of independents and that there were four times as many
participated in the democratic caucus than the republican, but could
you provide a source?  

Another point that I mentioned before that it appears that we agree on
is that he qualifies as one of those Blacks that often hear, "you
don't seem Black" or "You're not like them"  He blends in and makes
them feel at ease and more comfortable to vote for then say someone
like Sharpton  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tetsuwanatom1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> > I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested.  
> 
> In Iowa, at least, conservatives do. More Republicans caucused with 
> the democrats and voted for Obama than voted for Huck. WHITE 
> REPUBLICANS jumped ship to vote for the Black candidate. This could 
> be part of their misguided strategy to subvert the "electable" 
> candidate, still, numbers mean something.
> 
> Barack Obama on his name alone would be considered an unsafe Black 
> man. He's presented himself as the intelligent but not intellectual, 
> affable and approachable, Black but not too Black candidate. His 
> image is fine toned, make no mistake. White people are for the most 
> part totally confused about the issue of his "Blackness" and I doubt 
> it factors in either way unless they are associating (or confusing) 
> Blackness with "how much is he like me?"
> 
> >Many
> > have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots 
> and
> > drug taking.  That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in
> > my opinion.  While I have seen the talking heads say last night that
> > him being "third world " can help us become of the world, I've never
> > heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial.  Even if
> > someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it
> > might be perceived as racist.
> > 
> > Tracy
> >  
> > What is said in newspaper articles and internet discussions is 
> difference 
> > what is heard on tv. From some of the more conservative points of 
> view,an Obama 
> > win would be an end to the Jesse Jackson type of black american. An 
> end to 
> > affirmative action and to blacks complaing about racism aka the 
> Jena 6 kind of 
> > marches. 
> >  
> >  
> > In some cases Black men have it easier than White women. I don't 
> believe that 
> > black men are always downtrodden when they step outside the door 
> until they 
> > get home. 
> >  
> > Alot of thlem do have it easier than white women because they are 
> men. 
> > Despite the idea that affirmative action has benefitted white 
> females. Black males 
> > have benefitted from being men. Someties race is not an issue. You 
> are right 
> > that some people don't like Clinto because she is Clinton. However 
> I don't like 
> > the liberal hype that Obama will be any different than any other 
> person. If 
> > the liberal Demoract Congress is any indication that it will be 
> SSDD. 
> >  
> > If you listen to Juan Willams and other talk about  him, they feel 
> that is is 
> > the kind of "black" that should be leading america. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in 
> shape. 
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?
> NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> > 
> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

While I agree that what is said in an Internet discussion is different
than TV, I disagree that newspapers differ from the traditional media
that I was referring to.  With the Internet there is no holding back.
 I still say I have not seen the "many" polls on his  biracial
heritage that you refer to.  

I do not think I indicated Black men are "always" down trodden.  In
fact most of the Black men I know personally are not.  However,
statistically - as a group they are.  There is a significant
difference.  While there are cases where Black men have it better than
White Women, there are many case where the opposite is true.  I'm
getting the impression that you do not believe that and problably see
all the data that supports that as flawed so on that issue I have been
wasting my time.  

 I think that in addition to White conservatives, that many Blacks
have problems with Jesse Jackson, so I'm not even arguing for that cause

As I said to you before.  I'm not a big Obama fan, but a professional
who works with issues that you addressed. I came to the conversation
seeking to point out some facts about Blacks, biracials, and women in
power that I did not think you knew.  This was not about my preference
of Obama or Hilary.  To be honest  - I prefer Gore or Edwards.  Thats
not going to happen.  However the more we exchange emails, the more I
believe that for you this conversation has been more about your
dislike of  Obama - which I understand  

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested.  Many
> have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and
> drug taking.  That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in
> my opinion.  While I have seen the talking heads say last night that
> him being "third world " can help us become of the world, I've never
> heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial.  Even if
> someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it
> might be perceived as racist.
> 
> Tracy
>  
> What is said in newspaper articles and internet discussions is
difference 
> what is heard on tv. From some of the more conservative points of
view,an Obama 
> win would be an end to the Jesse Jackson type of black american. An
end to 
> affirmative action and to blacks complaing about racism aka the Jena
6 kind of 
> marches. 
>  
>  
> In some cases Black men have it easier than White women. I don't
believe that 
> black men are always downtrodden when they step outside the door
until they 
> get home. 
>  
> Alot of thlem do have it easier than white women because they are men. 
> Despite the idea that affirmative action has benefitted white
females. Black males 
> have benefitted from being men. Someties race is not an issue. You
are right 
> that some people don't like Clinto because she is Clinton. However I
don't like 
> the liberal hype that Obama will be any different than any other
person. If 
> the liberal Demoract Congress is any indication that it will be SSDD. 
>  
> If you listen to Juan Willams and other talk about  him, they feel
that is is 
> the kind of "black" that should be leading america. 
> 
> 
> 
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

There are more than 18 African American CEOs currently leading
corporate America (Fortune 500 companies).  It is a significant
acheivement, that would be foolhardy to overlook.  However, it
concerns me that this achievement may allow people to be deceived in
the belief that because of these acheivements, that Black men have
"overcome" and are part of the "network". 

Those Black men are part of the network.  If you read their bios you
will see reoccurring themes and come to understand how exceptional
they are and that they faced many overwhelming obstacles to get their.
 Very few, if any had the key to the executive suite handed to them. 
The profiles I rad indicated that they learned how to use the system
to get what they want, take a lot of crap and literally wrench the key
away to get access to the executive suite.  

While it does not surprise me that a lot of whites look at these guys
and say Black men are part of the network, it horrifies me that
African Americans who interact in the Black community could believe
this myth.  This is not just my opinion. There is tons of redundant
data that supports what I'm saying.  But hell, if Black men are part
of the "network" then somebody please tell me why the black community
seems to be disintegrating.

I know I'm fired up, but I have spent the past decade, studying this,
reporting on this, creating a section of my website on this, host
events on this, talked to people who managed the studies/surveys,
speaking on this at workshops and conferences, been interviewed on
this, and  have interviewed a few of the people discussed on this, so
it is a subject close to me heart and my livelihood.  

Some resources you may want to check out:

Cracking the Corporate Code: The Revealing Success Stories of 32
African-American Executives by Price M. Cobbs

 Breaking Through: The Making of Minority Executives in Corporate
America by David A. Thomas

Black Enterprise Titans of The B.E. 100s: Black CEOs Who Redefined and
Conquered American Business (Black Enterprise Books)

  Leading in Black and White: Working Across the Racial Divide in
Corporate America (J-B CCL (Center for Creative Leadership)) by
Ancella B. Liver

Take a Lesson: Today's Black Achievers on How They Made It and What
They Learned Along the Way by Caroline V. Clarke


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 1:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Stan O'Neal ousted at Merril Lynch and Richard D. Parsons about
> to retire at Time Warner, Kenneth Chenault remains at American
> Express, Ronald Williams at Aetna, Clarence Otis Jr. at Darden
> Restaurants, Aylwin Lewis at sears and John W. Thompson at Symantac. 
> I don't believe there is a similar list of African-American women.
> The top eschelon of corporate America remains an old boy club.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
>  
>  
>  
> I could not remember their names. I just did not want to say the
Merril Lynch 
> guy. 
> 
> 
> 
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

I think you missed part of my overly long post  :)  I said, " While a
Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder playing the game is
more likely to fit in the board room than a White woman, a Black woman
is more likely to get a job than a Black man."

I was comparing Black men to white women (not black women) and saying
they do better once they are up the top.  I was thinking of some of
the people you were.  They all learned how to work the system and
ultimately became a part of the network.  However recent surveys of
boards have revealed that they are still the exception - not the rule.
 Once they get up in the upper echelon, Black men are more readily
excepted than White women.   While i is bad for white women in the
board room, the situation is abysmal for Black women in the boardroom.
  However, statistically, Black women get in the door easier at
entry-level and lower-management positions than Black men.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with most of what you say below, but my twenty plus years
> looking up through the glass ceiling at corporate america, I have seen
> many more black men than black women ascend to the top corporate spot.
> With Stan O'Neal ousted at Merril Lynch and Richard D. Parsons about
> to retire at Time Warner, Kenneth Chenault remains at American
> Express, Ronald Williams at Aetna, Clarence Otis Jr. at Darden
> Restaurants, Aylwin Lewis at sears and John W. Thompson at Symantac. 
> I don't believe there is a similar list of African-American women.
> The top eschelon of corporate America remains an old boy club.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Gymfig
> > 
> > Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black -
> > particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are
> > considered prominent members of the Black community.  Obama and his
> > family are seen as Black.  The talking heads in the media often refer
> > to him as Black.  The conservatives portray him as a Black with muslim
> > leanings.  
> > 
> > Hilary comes from a connected family, she is worth millions, has a
> > history, ironically of top ties with the republican party starting
> > with Barry Goldwater, and for the last 20 years or so, she has been
> > apart of the elite of the democratic party.  The woman is on the board
> > of Walmart. She is considered American Aristocracy.  She is a chairs
> > and serves on several powerful committees in the Senate and  I do not
> > thing she exactly fit the profile of a woman excluded from the
boardroom
> > 
> > I have spent the past 15 years working with, reporting and training
> > people on issues of race in the workplace and I have to tell you the
> > male/female thing is not as black and white when it comes to Black men
> > - even biracial men.  While women consistent get paid less than men,
> > Black men get paid less than White men.  a Black man with a
> > traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a
> > white female.  Black men (even biracial men) have higher incidents of
> > discrimination in the workplace than White women.
> > 
> > There are other factors at work that you either overlooked or were not
> > aware of.While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder
> > playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White
> > woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man.
> > Black men are more likely to get laid off than White women as well.
> > Many educators start feeling threatened by Black males - even biracial
> > Black males that look Black starting at age eight.  This continues
> > into adulthood.  These are not my assumptions, but facts that have
> > been proved time and again with data.  Black men (Black looking
> > biracial men included)in New York and many American cities still can
> > not get a cab and people will cross the street when they see one
> > coming.  Black men (Black looking biracial men included)are also still
> > experiencing racial profiling on the road.
> > 
> > Despite a history of supporting women in elections, more women voted
> > for Obama and Edwards than Hilary.  More young people prefer them, and
> > more union people prefer them.  Most people want the war to end and
> > she not only refuses to admit that her war decisions were wrong, she
> > is very hawkish on Iran and Iraq.  Since her healthcare initiative of
> > the early nineties, She has been a polarizing force in the democratic
> > party - despite her many right wing stances of late.  In polling, very
> > few i

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

Gymfig 

I have not seen all of these polls you refer to. In fact I have seen
the media try to downplay his race or redefine it in less threatening
terms.   However, most general polls on race indicate that Whites see
biracial people who look Black as Black. - That is not to say that
they do not acknowledge that they are biracial.  

I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested.  Many
have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and
drug taking.  That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in
my opinion.  While I have seen the talking heads say last night that
him being "third world " can help us become of the world, I've never
heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial.  Even if
someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it
might be perceived as racist.  OK, so maybe Bill O'Reilly would - Did
he?  I think most commentators are more saavy than that

I never said he was a share cropper, but as far as I understand, he
did not come from a privileged background, have lots of money ot
connections as Hilary did.  Most Blacks and many biracials from middle
class backgrounds are still excluded from the benefits Hilary had.  in
fact many Whites from similar backgrounds are excluded from
As I told you, Obama is not my first choice.  I did not want him in
office either.  Like most politicians, I think he is a sell out. 
However, I wanted Hilary even less because she has been voting on many
important issues like a right wing conservative.  She wants to go into
Iran, she wants it to be illegal to burn the flag, she is ok with
invasion of privacy, the list goes on.  I think Obama id a player and
in the pockets of those in power.  I think he is the lesser of two
evils.  

However, that is not relevant to the issues that you raised.  Which
was that Hilary lost because she is a woman.  That biracial black men
who look Black do not face the issues that other Black men face.  That
Black men have it easier than White women.  That Hilary is not already
part of the power elite.  Those are issues YOU raised.  

Whether I like Obama or not relevant to those issues.  Truth be told,
I'm not a big fan.  I think he is all smoke and mirrors.  The Perfect
politico

You say, "Black men are still men. They are still part of the
network."  I would say the Black men on this list and across the
country would disagree with you.  There is tons of data that refutes
your claim.  Maybe this is more about the candidate you like loosing
than the issues you raised.  I can understand that.  Having a woman in
office  would be a major milestone - Whoever it is.  However
belittling the milestone of Obama's achievement or minimizing and
negating the existence of the many overwhelming odds Black and
biracial men face in our country seems an odd way to cope with
Hilary's setback of loosing one primary.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 1:12:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>  
> Tracy
>  
> Poll after poll; discussion after discussion sees Obama as a
biracial man. 
> Halle may be the first "black " actress but she is also seen as
biracial.  Tiger 
> woods may be seen blacks by some people but he is still seen as
multiethnic 
> also. 
>  
>  
> Conservatives like him because of his biracial background. Not his
black 
> background. 
>  
>  
> Black men get paid less than White men.  a Black man with a
> traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a
> white female
>  
>  Obama did not start from humble beginnings either.  He is not the
"my father 
> was a sharecropper" black as many blacks who have achieved many
things like 
> to suggest. 
>  
>  
>  
> When people actually start asking what does Obama stand for. they
cannot 
> answer. I don't know who I will vote for, but I do not that this
"woe is the black 
> man" stuff will have to end with the election of a black man.  That
why I 
> don't understand why people still think that America is still a
racist society. I 
> don't think that black america can really stomach and end to their
problems. 
> I am sure that white America cannot wait for the end of the Jena 6 soul 
> patrol. 
>  
>  
>  
> Black men are still men. They are still part of the network.  
> 
> 
> 
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa

[tdemorsella]

Gymfig

Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black -
particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are
considered prominent members of the Black community.  Obama and his
family are seen as Black.  The talking heads in the media often refer
to him as Black.  The conservatives portray him as a Black with muslim
leanings.  

Hilary comes from a connected family, she is worth millions, has a
history, ironically of top ties with the republican party starting
with Barry Goldwater, and for the last 20 years or so, she has been
apart of the elite of the democratic party.  The woman is on the board
of Walmart. She is considered American Aristocracy.  She is a chairs
and serves on several powerful committees in the Senate and  I do not
thing she exactly fit the profile of a woman excluded from the boardroom

I have spent the past 15 years working with, reporting and training
people on issues of race in the workplace and I have to tell you the
male/female thing is not as black and white when it comes to Black men
- even biracial men.  While women consistent get paid less than men,
Black men get paid less than White men.  a Black man with a
traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a
white female.  Black men (even biracial men) have higher incidents of
discrimination in the workplace than White women.

There are other factors at work that you either overlooked or were not
aware of.While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder
playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White
woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man.
Black men are more likely to get laid off than White women as well.
Many educators start feeling threatened by Black males - even biracial
Black males that look Black starting at age eight.  This continues
into adulthood.  These are not my assumptions, but facts that have
been proved time and again with data.  Black men (Black looking
biracial men included)in New York and many American cities still can
not get a cab and people will cross the street when they see one
coming.  Black men (Black looking biracial men included)are also still
experiencing racial profiling on the road.

Despite a history of supporting women in elections, more women voted
for Obama and Edwards than Hilary.  More young people prefer them, and
more union people prefer them.  Most people want the war to end and
she not only refuses to admit that her war decisions were wrong, she
is very hawkish on Iran and Iraq.  Since her healthcare initiative of
the early nineties, She has been a polarizing force in the democratic
party - despite her many right wing stances of late.  In polling, very
few independents or republicans have indicated that they would vote
for her.  Last night, she got very few votes from independents, while
Obama received 20% votes from independents and I think Edwards got
more than 10% independent votes.  Because of her marriage to bill and
her current power in the senate, there is also the perception that she
is part of the status quo during a time when Americans of both parties
have indicated that they want significant change.  No status quo
person of either party or any gender did well last night.

I stopped liking Hilary a few years ago when she decided to become a
baby Republican with her voting.   I understood why, but those
decisions made it impossible to support her.   Knowing her Republican
roots, I was terrified of the prospect of her winning.  So, while I
wanted Edwards to win, I was OK with Obama's win.  If you are a Hilary
supporter, you can not be happy with the outcome of yesterday's
primary.  While it may be comforting to tell yourself that she lost
because she is a woman, in my view that is a simplistic notion that
flies in the face of a lot of other significant factors - and does not
necessarily erasing the existence of these other factors.   
>  
>  
> A black man won over a white woman in Mass. A black man will still
get a job 
> over a competent white woman or black woman.  I think that with the
win of a 
> black man it will be harder for blacks "especially black men " to
play the 
> victim. The old boys club does admit black men these days. It is
still harder for 
> a woman white or black to get ahead.  
> 
> 
> 
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.

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[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday

[tdemorsella]

I enjoyed the third movie, but the first and the second reminded me of
the First two of the aliens series.  Both were extremely well done, in
but very different flavors.  The third was good, I enjoyed it, I got
what I came for, but I did not feel the excitement and "emotional
investment that I felt during the first two films.  I don't know why,
but nevertheless I have no complaints 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Funny about Bourne: everyone i know or read says the third film is
the best in the series. Due to all the amazing action and fight
scenes, no doubt. Yet i still think the first film is the best,
because along with the action, it had the great suspense and mystery
as Jason (and we) tried to figure out who he was.  The mix of the
suspense, the action, the locales, and his relationship with his lady
made that film really enjoyable. I *love* the third film, but it
didn't reach me as emotionally as the first.
> this happens to me a lot. For example,  from the Star Trek trilogy
of films with the OS crew that started with Khan, most people I know
love the Trek films "Wrath of Khan" (great over-the-top action and
acting) or "The Voyage Home" (fun and funny ).   I love those, but the
one that stays with me most is "The Search for Spock" with its
emotional impact of Kirk and McCoy risking all to save a friend.   
The beginning of Spock's death replayed on black and white, the
obvious sadness of Sarek when he thinks Spock's essence is gone?
Powerful. The scene of the Enterprise falling from the sky, Kirk
looking at saying "My God, Bones, What have i done". Chokes me up even
now. Kirk's son David killed. Sad. The Klingon Bird of Prey soaring
through the Vulcan skies to Mount
> Seleya? Moving. And the final scene when Spock says "Jim...your name
is Jim". Sends me soaring. all the action and FX and aliens in those
movies, and it's the emotional bits in "Search for Spock" that i keep
going back too.
> 
> Friends will love a movie that's chock full of action and fight and
FX, and I may like a similar film that's similarly action-packed but a
little deeper emotionally, and they roll their eyes at me.
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Alvin and the C-Munks (already covered this sordid affair here)
> 
> All 3 Bourne movies (DVD marathon today) - excellent as always
> 
> Over the Hedge - enjoyed this one in the theatre and again on DVD
> 
> Spent the rest of the time on History Channel.
> 
> __
> James Landrith
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Tracey said:
> 
> > Hey Gang:
> >
> > What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the
> theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were
> duds?
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] The Fountain Re: Hollywood Eats Sci-Fi's Brains

[tdemorsella]

While looking for the thread on Nightwatch that Bosco told me about, I
saw this discussion on The Fountain that I missed the first time
around.   I found I get into to serious Scifi movies but I found the
fountain difficult to enjoy.  While I did not think it was overly
serious.  What does that mean?!?!? Agree it was thoughtful and
heartbreaking, while being pretentious at the same time.  It was also
beautiful to look at.  I would add intentionally convoluted as well.
After seeing Pi, I was not surprised.  What were the critics
expecting?  Anyway, I was ambivalent.  I wanted to love it.  Did not
hate it, did not love it, but glad I checked it out.

  
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From what I hear it's pretty much a love it or hate it kind of film. 
> Some folks thought it was quite pretentious, melodramatic and overly 
> serious and other folks thought it was thoughtful and heartbreaking.
> 
> Several critics seem to be savaging it because Aronofsky was the "it" 
> director and they are letting their feelings about him spill over 
> into their reviews. 
> 
> I'll probably watch it on dvd...which should be in a month or two 
> considering it's box office.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> >
> > While I absolutely agree that America's subsisting on light sci-fi 
> fare (as evidenced by the crappy X-Men 3 movie doing good box office) 
> I haven't really heard anything positive about this movie. If you 
> listen to any critics--and I know many of you spit on critics--they 
> say it's just confusing. But not from just a scifi angle, but from a 
> good storytelling angle. I haven't seen it, but the lack of 
> enthusiastic support from even the hardcore scifi crowd like us made 
> me think it must not have been great. The people who make sure stuff 
> like "Nightwatch", "Heroes", the then-little known "Bladerunner", 
> etc., are talked about haven't been very vocal about "The Fountain". 
> That made me think it simply wasn't a good movie by any standards.
> > 
> >  Anyone see it in order to comment on that?
> > 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "Brent Wodehouse"  
> > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,72192-0.html
> > 
> > Hollywood Eats Sci-Fi's Brains
> > 
> > By Jason Silverman
> > 
> > Nov, 29, 2006
> > 
> > It took six years for Darren Aronofsky to get his mystic science-
> fiction
> > film The Fountain to the big screen, and just five days for it to 
> tank at
> > the box office.
> > 
> > Made for an estimated $35 million, The Fountain earned a paltry $5 
> million
> > over the long Thanksgiving weekend. Those numbers mark a huge
> > disappointment for Warner Bros. and Aronofsky, and another grievous 
> wound
> > for serious-minded sci-fi.
> > 
> > Hollywood has all but stopped producing challenging sci-fi films 
> like The
> > Fountain. Instead, Tinseltown funnels more and more resources into
> > mega-budget, formula-driven and generally mediocre superhero and 
> fantasy
> > films.
> > 
> > In an era of dwindling sci-fi cinema, 2006 has been an especially 
> dire
> > year. Subtract the superhero and video game adaptations, and what's 
> left?
> > The Fountain, Universal Studios' upcoming Children of Men and 
> independents
> > like The Science of Sleep and A Scanner Darkly - films that some 
> purists
> > wouldn't call sci-fi at all.
> > 
> > Why has Hollywood stopped making serious sci-fi? According to Gordon
> > Paddison, New Line Cinema's executive vice president of new media 
> and
> > marketing, it is all about risk and money. Paddison described 
> Hollywood
> > financing as formula-driven: Films with the potential to travel well
> > across borders score the highest points.
> > 
> > "Sci-fi is hard to fund - it's never a slam-dunk," said Paddison, 
> who
> > helped launch campaigns for the Lord of the Rings trilogy. He also 
> said
> > the system is geared toward films with huge effects.
> > 
> > "Regrettably, there's a barrier to entry," he said. "You have to 
> put a
> > certain level of budget into these films. You have to swing for the
> > fences, otherwise you just aren't in the game at all."
> > 
> > If sci-fi has always been hit-or-miss with studios, investors these 
> days
> > seem less willing to gamble. Who knows if The Terminator, for 
> example,
> > could have gotten the green light in this environment? It was made 
> in 1984
> > for $6 million - the kind of midrange budget that rarely exists any 
> more -
> > and starred a little-known weight lifter with an unpronounceable 
> name.
> > 
> > Star Wars, a monumental struggle for George Lucas to produce, would 
> likely
> > be a non-starter these days. Blade Runner? Perhaps too dark to get
> > financing. And 2001: A Space Odyssey? With its cast of unknowns, 
> enigmatic
> > ending and (in inflation-adjusted figures) more than $50 million 
> budget,
> > it just wouldn't compute with today's backers.
> > 
> > By neglecting true sci-fi, 

[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

[tdemorsella]

funny we are discussing Cuaron and del Toro.  In addition to Raimi,
they are on Jackson's short list to direct The Hobbit.  Read below

Looks Like Those Hobbit Movies Still Need a Director
Jackson recuses himself. For the fans.
by Jeff Giles | December 20, 2007
Blog Article | Discuss Article
During the years of legal disputes between Peter Jackson and New Line,
there was no shortage of speculation regarding which director might
step into his shoes for The Hobbit -- speculation that, as it turns
out, will continue at least awhile longer.

As Entertainment Weekly reports, much as fans might have hoped this
week's announcement that Jackson and Fran Walsh are producing The
Hobbit would be only a prelude to the news that they'd be directing it
(and its planned sequel), such is not the case -- at least not
according to Jackson's manager, Ken Kamins:

"Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long
enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of
the next four years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films.
Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin,
waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce
The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer."

Quite a few fans wouldn't mind the extra wait if it meant Jackson
directing the Hobbit films, but alas, it looks like someone else will
wind up behind the camera. So the question, again, becomes "who?"
According to EW, the short list of candidates still includes Sam
Raimi, Guillermo del Toro, and Alfonso Cuaron -- but, as New Line
co-chair Robert Shaye tells it, no decisions have been made:

"There is obviously a small but significant number of directors who
could handle two films of this magnitude, but we have no commitment to
anybody. Now that Peter is an integral part of the decision-making
process, we all have to see eye-to-eye on any candidate we try to enlist."
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10007663-hobbit/news/1698327/

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gymfig:
> 
> I'm about to attack your notion that Cuarón, del Toro and Tim Burton do 
> not have "IT" and that they do not cross over genres.  This in not a 
> personal attack, nor is it born out of anger.  I'm having a ball with 
> this "You pick the director"  game we are playing.  This discussion
made 
> me want to take a look at all the directors suggested  because I think 
> that are among the most creative in the industry.   So, please do
not be 
> offended by my "defense" of these directors.  This is a movie game and 
> nothing else.  I respect your opinion and hope you respond in kind. 
> 
>  None of the people on the list who you indicated lacked talent, only 
> work in one genre.  By the way I am a huge Ang Lee fan and respect what 
> he was trying to do with the Hulk. The man is a great storyteller. For 
> this exercise, I'd be curious to see his vision of The Hobbit. 
While we 
> all want Jackson, Ang can hang with the best of them.  But the
others on 
> the list, are not just comic book or genre directors without "It" as
you 
> have indicated, as far as I can tell. 
> 
> Of the people you included in that category are:
> 
> Alfonso Cuarón -According to IMDB he has been nominated for 3 Oscars, 
> won a BAFTA Film Award, numerous International, national, state, and 
> city film critics awards, numerous film festival awards, the list goes 
> on.  Up to 43 awards in all.  So somebody other then me thinks he has 
> "IT"  Regarding him only working in one genre, he has done drama, 
> comedy, thrillers, children's movies, TV series, fantasy,
documentaries, 
> scifi, historical movies, animation, romance, he has modernized a 
> dickens classic (great expectations), and a few adaptations of
novels in 
> addition to the potter series.I'm so glad Keith pointed him out.  I 
> keep forgetting that he is one of the Harry Potter directors and I
never 
> would have raised him, but of all the people suggested, he is likely
the 
> one with the most evidence of crossing genres.   He has four projects 
> concurrently going.
> 
> Guillermo del Toro  -   now del Toro, while it is simplistic to say he 
> only does one genre, I can see were you are coming from here.If you 
> look at Hellboy, animated Hellboy, Mimic, Pan's Labyrinth, Blade II, 
> Geometria, At the Mountains of Madness, The Devil's Backbone , and 
> Cronos we are dealing with speculative fiction.  To me, done with great 
> vision, but none the less, "Genre"  However, the man crosses over into 
> almost every area of speculative fiction, including fantasy, horror, 
> comic book adaptation, mystery, thrillers, vampires, ghost stories,
 and 
> SF drama, and historical pieces.  What most people do not know is that 
> he has done highly rated  romance, drama, comedy, thrillers, and a 
> sports-themed movie.  He has been nominated for an Oscar and won 34 
> International, national, state a

[scifinoir2] Re: [Rumour] Tennant 'is leaving Doctor Who'

[tdemorsella]

Doctor Who star David Tennant dismissed speculation about how long he
plans to stay on the show, saying, "I'm doing four more specials, and
beyond that, no one's asked me to make any decisions, and I'm quite
happy to be enigmatic for as long as possible," the GallifreyOne.com
Web site reported.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Reece Jennings"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OH!!  OOOHHH!!!  STOP! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
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> 
>   _  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:43 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] [Rumour] Tennant 'is leaving Doctor Who'
> 
> 
> 
> What can I say?
> 
> I'm *baad*...
> 
> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> Oh, LAWD! Thanks for adding THAT image! LOLLOLLOL!!!
> I think I hurt myself!!!
> 
> Does he have a zipper? Maybe sheep-shears caught in the...
> Oh, I dasn't even SAY it!!!
> 
> Maurice Jennings
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> _ 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] [Rumour] Tennant 'is leaving Doctor Who'
> 
> So did I, once I'd caught my error. One image in particular, of Martha
> finding sheep-shears in the TARDIS control room...
> 
> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
> wrote: LOLLOLLOL!!! I gotta admit, I had some very unseemly pictures
flash
> through my mind!
> 
> Maurice Jennings
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> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] [Rumour] Tennant 'is leaving Doctor Who'
> 
> 8-O 8-O 8-O
> 
> LMNAO correction, CORRECTION!
> 
> "sheer popularity"! I've got the man doing unnatural acts...
> 
> Martin mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  >
> wrote: Tracey, it's his sheep popularity. No one expected him to be
as big a
> hit as he's been. They might be afraid that they'll lose viewers if
he goes.
> And that probably would happen.
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  aladvantage.com> wrote: it
> seems as if that have been harding toward his leaving since they 
> begin to deny the rumors six months ago. If he can not work on a series 
> for a year because he is doing plays, Why don't they just replace him 
> like they always do?
> 
> Brent Wodehouse wrote:
> >
> > http://news.  
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm>
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm>
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm 
> >  
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm>
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm>
> bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7145965.stm>
> >
> > Tennant 'is leaving Doctor Who'
> >
> > Catherine Tate has suggested that the next series of Doctor Who
could be
> > the last for actor David Tennant.
> >
> > The comedian, speaking on Radio 2's Jonathan Ross programme, said: "I
> > think it's maybe David's last series."
> >
> > The BBC refused to comment on Mr Tennant's future as the show's star.
> >
> > Tate, who first appeared in the 2006 Christmas special, is to
return as
> > the doctor's assistant, Donna, for the entire run of the fourth
series.
> >
> > She will also be joined for several episodes by the doctor's former
> > companion Martha Jones, played by Freema

[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

[tdemorsella]

I agree, but if the can get Jackson, who has the imagination and
vision?  By the way, how was Willy Wonka.  Depp's Michael Jackson
performance in the trailers hs just creeped me out

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Burton's tastes run a bit to the more gothic and outre side; he's
perfect for stuff like "Nightmare Before Christmas" and the dark
"Batman", but I don't think he'd have quite the right touch of whimsy
for *this* particular film. It's a tricky mix to get the humour,
action, drama, FX, and magic down pat
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "tdemorsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> What about Tim Burton?
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Gymfig@ wrote:
> >
> > The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love
> and 
> > lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could
> capture that. If 
> > Henson were alive I think that he could have done it. I think the
> person that 
> > directed the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe could do a great job.
> I heard 
> > the movie was great. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

[tdemorsella]

Personally I want Jackson, but I was trying to come up with someone
who had the imagination for it.  I agree he is probalby way to dark,
but i do not think he is any worse than Raimi

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:27:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> What about Tim Burton?
>  
> Tracy, 
>  
> If I could I would come through this computer and slap you silly for
that.  
>  
>  
> LOL!!!
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Johnny Depp would be an awful choice for Bilbo. Bilbo would be a
drunken 
> hairy odd little man with "peculiar" tastes.
>  
> Depp would basically be playing himself. 
>  
> You do understand that if we get Burton we also get Helen Bohman
Carter.  She 
> would revise her role in Merlin. *Shudder*
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: 4400 Is Canceled

[tdemorsella]

What did you think?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Reece Jennings"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I TIVO'ed it.  Caught every episode...
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Astromancer
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:13 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 4400 Is Canceled
> 
> 
> 
> They kept bouncing it all over the place...No wonder why no one watched
> it
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> media.com> wrote: 
> Nah I think it was a case of nobody was watching this show. I can¹t
think
> of 25 people I know, including this list, who were watching it. 4400
just
> seemed like a miniseries gone wild to me. Dead Zone as well. I
really liked
> the first 2 seasons of Dead Zone, but it just seemed to fall off.
> 
> On 12/21/07 9:55 AM, "Martin"   [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :(
> > 
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> aladvantage.com
> >  > wrote: Peters: 4400 Is
> > Canceled
> > http://www.scifi.
> 
> com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46613
> >  
> com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46613>
> > Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the
show's
> > official forum that the series has been canceled.
> > 
> > "It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've
> > just received: The 4400 has been canceled," Peters wrote on Dec. 18.
> > "We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in
> > the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to
> > the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is
> > nothing short of remarkable."
> > 
> > Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on
> > her MySpace.com page. "I want to take this opportunity to thank
everyone
> > here for writing those petitions!" she said, referring to a fan
campaign
> > to save the show. "I know I speak for all the cast: We really
appreciate
> > the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you!"
> > 
> > Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news
> > to cast member Joel Gretsch. "We had a great talk about what we all
> > accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew
and our
> > cast ... and our fans," Peters wrote. "But at least we got to go out
> > with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I
think I
> > got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much
> > fun was that?"
> > 
> > Peters helmed the final episode of the series, "The Great Leap
Forward,"
> > which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA.
> > (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
will get
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Without A
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[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film (Hughes Brothers)

[tdemorsella]

Touching Evil was really good; From Hell was almost a masterpiece.  I
sure hope that is not the last we have seen from them.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree "From Hell" is the most accomplished movie the Hughes 
> Brothers made.  Working outside their comfort zone, they delivered 
> the goods.  Having demonstrated undeniable chops, they disappeared 
> from the big screen.  I had to go to IMDB.com to find out what 
> happened to them.
> 
> Apparently, they attempted to become mini-moguls, producing 12 
> episodes of something called "Touching Evil" on the USA network.
> 
> http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=6250
> 
> But even this was THREE YEARS after "From Hell" was released.
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Interesting thing about ³From Hell². It is arguably the Hughes 
> Brothers¹
> > greatest film. It was also their last. I think this is a great 
> Johnny Depp
> > performance, and if I¹m not mistaken, was the first of the whole 
> ³Johnny
> > does an accent well²  roles. Heather Graham did not belong in this 
> picture
> > by any stretch of the imagination. To be fair, though, I have only  
> seen two
> > films where she DID belong, one was ³Lost In Space² (or as I like 
> to call
> > it,  ³this group of actors all  decided they wanted Ferraris and 
> wanted a
> > movie studio to pay for them all in cash² because this movie was 
> absolutely
> > not meant for anyone to really see it.), and ³Committed². Casey 
> Affleck and
> > the dark haired Wilson brother are also in ³Committed² making it 
> one of the
> > best  parades of B-listers in recent  film history.  Truly something
> > Showtime should be playing again and again.
> > 
> > I¹m going to  go out on a limb and suggest a picture that will make 
> many of
> > you cringe, but is worth seeing on DVD in the privacy of your own 
> home,
> > especially if you have like 8-13 year old kids in said home: ³The 
> League Of
> > Extraordinary Gentlemen.² or, in Hollywood-ese:  ³LXG². Yes, I 
> know. Why?
> > Because if you¹ve ever read the books, you¹ll see that they were 
> trying to
> > make this movie a slick version of those books. The adventure and 
> excitement
> > are actually IN this picture. The effects (and Sean Connery) kill 
> it. This
> > is a better comic book movie than either Fantastic Four picture.
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/21/07 12:06 PM, "Bosco Bosco"  wrote:
> > 
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I am vaguely remembering that I saw this but I may have to 
> revisit it
> > > to refresh.
> > > 
> > > B
> > > --- ravenadal mailto:ravenadal%40yahoo.com> > 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> > Oh yeah!  I forgot the Hughes Brothers' excellent "From Hell,"
> > >> > starring Johnny Depp.
> > >> > 
> > >> > ~rave!
> > >> > 
> > >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > >> Bosco Bosco 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every 
> bit as
> > >>> > > good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this 
> could
> > >> > be
> > >>> > > truly fun
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > B
> > >>> > > --- Daryle  wrote:
> > >>> > > 
> >  > > > I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made.
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and 
> recently
> > >> > I
> >  > > > saw, for
> >  > > > the first  time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The 
> acting,
> > >> > well,
> >  > > > is pretty
> >  > > > horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, 
> Punisher¹s
> > >> > worth 
> > >> > a
> >  > > > rental.
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, "Bosco Bosco"  wrote:
> >  > > > 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the 
> latest Batman
> >  > > > film
> > > > > > > was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it 
> as well
> > >> > 
> > >> > and
> >  > > > it
> > > > > > > got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I 
> think V
> > >> > for
> > > > > > > Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, 
> loved
> >  > > > Hellboy. I
> > > > > > > really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first
> > >> > Spiderman.
> >  > > > I
> > > > > > > wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am 
> thinking of
> >  > > > updating my
> > > > > > > netflix queue
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bosco
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> __
> > > > > > > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> > > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > 
> >  > > > 
> >  

[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film

[tdemorsella]

I have trouble liking Graham in films too.  However, I liked her in
Committed, lost in Space, and a movie whose name escapes me starring
Eddie Murphy and Steve Martin

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Interesting thing about ³From Hell². It is arguably the Hughes Brothers¹
> greatest film. It was also their last. I think this is a great
Johnny Depp
> performance, and if I¹m not mistaken, was the first of the whole ³Johnny
> does an accent well²  roles. Heather Graham did not belong in this
picture
> by any stretch of the imagination. To be fair, though, I have only 
seen two
> films where she DID belong, one was ³Lost In Space² (or as I like to
call
> it,  ³this group of actors all  decided they wanted Ferraris and
wanted a
> movie studio to pay for them all in cash² because this movie was
absolutely
> not meant for anyone to really see it.), and ³Committed². Casey
Affleck and
> the dark haired Wilson brother are also in ³Committed² making it one
of the
> best  parades of B-listers in recent  film history.  Truly something
> Showtime should be playing again and again.
> 
> I¹m going to  go out on a limb and suggest a picture that will make
many of
> you cringe, but is worth seeing on DVD in the privacy of your own home,
> especially if you have like 8-13 year old kids in said home: ³The
League Of
> Extraordinary Gentlemen.² or, in Hollywood-ese:  ³LXG². Yes, I know.
Why?
> Because if you¹ve ever read the books, you¹ll see that they were
trying to
> make this movie a slick version of those books. The adventure and
excitement
> are actually IN this picture. The effects (and Sean Connery) kill
it. This
> is a better comic book movie than either Fantastic Four picture.
> 
> 
> On 12/21/07 12:06 PM, "Bosco Bosco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > I am vaguely remembering that I saw this but I may have to revisit it
> > to refresh.
> > 
> > B
> > --- ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > wrote:
> > 
> >> > Oh yeah!  I forgot the Hughes Brothers' excellent "From Hell,"
> >> > starring Johnny Depp.
> >> > 
> >> > ~rave!
> >> > 
> >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 ,
> >> Bosco Bosco 
> >> > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every
bit as
> >>> > > good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this
could
> >> > be
> >>> > > truly fun
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > B
> >>> > > --- Daryle  wrote:
> >>> > > 
>  > > > I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made.
>  > > > 
>  > > > I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and
recently
> >> > I
>  > > > saw, for
>  > > > the first  time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting,
> >> > well,
>  > > > is pretty
>  > > > horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s
> >> > worth 
> >> > a
>  > > > rental.
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, "Bosco Bosco"  wrote:
>  > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest
Batman
>  > > > film
> > > > > > was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it
as well
> >> > 
> >> > and
>  > > > it
> > > > > > got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V
> >> > for
> > > > > > Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved
>  > > > Hellboy. I
> > > > > > really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first
> >> > Spiderman.
>  > > > I
> > > > > > wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of
>  > > > updating my
> > > > > > netflix queue
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bosco
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __
> > > > > > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> >>> > > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > You know these things that happen,
> >>> > > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> >>> > > And I can't help but wonder,
> >>> > > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > >   
> >> >
> > __
> >> > __
> >>> > > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> >>> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >>> > >
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> > 
> > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> > 
> > You know these things tha

[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film

[tdemorsella]

Great List except for Catwoman - however, if you go in with lowered
expectations in can be fun.  I never saw ghost world but I just added
it to my list.  another movie that you mike like that I do not believe
was ever a comic, but it has that feels like one is Equilibrium.  The
plot is listed below. 
In a futuristic world, a strict regime has eliminated war by
suppressing emotions: Books, art and music are strictly forbidden, and
feeling is a crime punishable by death -- a rule that's enforced by
feeding the denizens a mood-limiting drug. John Preston is a top
government official responsible for destroying those who resist the
rules. But when he misses a dose of his own medication, he experiences
a pang of conscience.

It reminds me of Vendetta a little.  i love the cast.  It includes:
Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Emily Watson, Sean Bean, Dominic
Purcell, and Dominic Purcell

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Like you, I am mad for "V for Vendetta," possibly the wordiest comic 
> book movie ever made.  It a symphony for the eyes and the ears.  I 
> also second "Hellboy."  This probably won't expand your to view list, 
> but I remain enamored of "Sin City." 
> 
> The adaptation of Daniel Clowes' "Ghost World" featuring Steve 
> Buscemi, Thora Birch and Scarlett Johanssen (playing the "plain one")
> is also excellent.  
> 
> I am fond of "Constantine," primarily because I adore Rachel Weisz 
> and also because I was unencumbered by never having read the comic 
> book.  I also like Keanu Reeves' laconic, black lung performace and 
> Tilda Swinton's  as the Archangel Gabriel is a hoot.
> 
> (I continue to defend Halle Berry's "Catwoman," but we wont' go 
> there!)
> 
> On this tip, I highly recommend E. Favata's Comic Book Movie site:
> 
> http://www.efavata.com/CBM/
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> >
> > On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film
> > was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it
> > got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for
> > Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. 
> I
> > really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I
> > wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them.
> > 
> > Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating 
> my
> > netflix queue
> > 
> > Bosco
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> __
> __
> > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: 4400 Is Canceled

[tdemorsella]

There were at least 4 on the list watching it.  But, I do not know
what the ratings were

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Nah I think it was a case of nobody was watching this show.  I can¹t
think
> of 25 people I know, including this list,  who  were watching it.
4400 just
> seemed like a miniseries gone wild to  me. Dead Zone as well. I
really liked
> the first  2 seasons of Dead Zone,  but it just  seemed to  fall off.
> 
> 
> On 12/21/07 9:55 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :(
> > 
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > wrote:  Peters:
4400 Is
> > Canceled
> > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46613
> > 
> > Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the
show's
> > official forum that the series has been canceled.
> > 
> > "It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've
> > just received: The 4400 has been canceled," Peters wrote on Dec. 18.
> > "We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in
> > the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to
> > the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is
> > nothing short of remarkable."
> > 
> > Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on
> > her MySpace.com page. "I want to take this opportunity to thank
everyone
> > here for writing those petitions!" she said, referring to a fan
campaign
> > to save the show. "I know I speak for all the cast: We really
appreciate
> > the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you!"
> > 
> > Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news
> > to cast member Joel Gretsch. "We had a great talk about what we all
> > accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew
and our
> > cast ... and our fans," Peters wrote. "But at least we got to go out
> > with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I
think I
> > got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much
> > fun was that?"
> > 
> > Peters helmed the final episode of the series, "The Great Leap
Forward,"
> > which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA.
> > (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
will get
> > organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
Without A
> > Country"
> >  
> > -
> > Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with
Yahoo! Search.
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film

[tdemorsella]

Blade one was a classic.  I thought Blade two was good, but some of
the magic was lost.  Blade three was ...just bad...very, very bad. 
Their battlee with Snipes destroyed the franchise

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Blade was a great movie until I saw Blade 2. I¹m not a vampire person. I
> really don¹t like vampire stories at all, actually. But I liked Blade 2.
> Blade 3 made me really appreciate the second film more. Hell, Blade
3 made
> me appreciate Michael Jackson¹s Thriller video more.  Blade 2 is my
favorite
> of the three.
> 
> 
> On 12/21/07 9:40 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > Wasn't bad.
> > 
> > yinka oyekunle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >
> > wrote:  What does everyone think of the 1st Blade movie?
> > 
> > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > wrote: I
> > just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as
> > good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be
> > truly fun
> > 
> > B
> > --- Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > wrote:
> > 
> >> > I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made.
> >> > 
> >> > I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I
> >> > saw, for
> >> > the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well,
> >> > is pretty
> >> > horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a
> >> > rental.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, "Bosco Bosco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>  > wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman
> >> > film
> >>> > > was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as
well and
> >> > it
> >>> > > got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for
> >>> > > Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved
> >> > Hellboy. I
> >>> > > really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first
Spiderman.
> >> > I
> >>> > > wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of
> >> > updating my
> >>> > > netflix queue
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Bosco
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > __
> >>> > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> >>> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> > 
> >> > 
> > 
> > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> > 
> > You know these things that happen,
> > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> > And I can't help but wonder,
> > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> > 
> > __
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > 
> > -
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
will get
> > organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
Without A
> > Country"
> >  
> > -
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
 Try it
> > now.
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: 4400 Is Canceled

[tdemorsella]

Same parent company

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :(
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Peters: 4400 Is Canceled
> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46613
> Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the
show's 
> official forum that the series has been canceled.
> 
> "It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've 
> just received: The 4400 has been canceled," Peters wrote on Dec. 18. 
> "We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in 
> the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to 
> the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is 
> nothing short of remarkable."
> 
> Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on 
> her MySpace.com page. "I want to take this opportunity to thank
everyone 
> here for writing those petitions!" she said, referring to a fan
campaign 
> to save the show. "I know I speak for all the cast: We really
appreciate 
> the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you!"
> 
> Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news 
> to cast member Joel Gretsch. "We had a great talk about what we all 
> accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew and
our 
> cast ... and our fans," Peters wrote. "But at least we got to go out 
> with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I
think I 
> got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much 
> fun was that?"
> 
> Peters helmed the final episode of the series, "The Great Leap
Forward," 
> which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA. 
> (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A
Man Without A Country"
>
> -
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film

[tdemorsella]

I thought the first Blade was a classic

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, yinka oyekunle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> What does everyone think of the 1st Blade movie?
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I just saw the trailer
for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as
> good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be
> truly fun
> 
> B
> --- Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made.
> > 
> > I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I
> > saw, for
> > the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well,
> > is pretty
> > horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a
> > rental.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, "Bosco Bosco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman
> > film
> > > was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and
> > it
> > > got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for
> > > Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved
> > Hellboy. I
> > > really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman.
> > I
> > > wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of
> > updating my
> > > netflix queue
> > > 
> > > Bosco
> > > 
> > > __
> > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> 
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> 
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> 
> __
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> -
> Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

[tdemorsella]

What about Tim Burton?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love
and 
> lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could
capture that. If 
> Henson were alive I think that he could have done it. I think the
person that 
> directed the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe could do a great job.
I heard 
> the movie was great. 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

[tdemorsella]

after seeing that is when I starting believing in his talent.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It started with "Six Degrees Of Seperation" in my humble opinion...
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  how long before his rep has grown enough
to do that?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer 
> I think Smith has done his research and knows what we know about the
market. He is a smart man, so he is going to put his money into what
sells...maybe later, if he has such a mind to do so, he'll do the
films you talk about...By then, his reputation alone will pull the
audience he need for success...The Happyness film is a quasi-example
of that...
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Keith: 
> 
> I decide to read what I missed before on Smith's Profile on Internet 
> Movie Database and I saw that the man has really stepped up his
activity 
> as a producer in recent years. In addition to Hancock, he has eight 
> flicks in various stages of production. With just a cursory glance, 
> none look like they are Black or Black love, but some look interesting. 
> Just some food for thought.. All of your points are valid, but there is 
> one thing I do not get the impression that you have considered. "Black 
> on Black love in film does not even a high profile topic within the 
> Black community or among Blacks in the entertainment industry. I guess 
> I'm saying that for years people have been saying that there are no 
> positive Black stories in Hollywood and a few people took some risks
and 
> we are starting to see these stories. We had to hear it or a long time 
> before there was noticeable movement in that area. With two biopics, I 
> would include Smith among those people who is seeking to address that 
> issue. I also wonder if most African Americans feel that niche is 
> being filled with the Black films we see that barely make it to the big 
> screen.
> 
> I do not see the same type of push in Holly weird (even among Blacks) 
> for that type of story. I could be way off base. Is it true, do Black 
> in Hollywood not really push for the Black on Black thing? Speaking of 
> that..it just hit me...with the exception of McMillan adaptations, 
> Angela Bassett is always paired with a white male. I take that back, 
> she had a non-existent relationship with the Black guy on Alias. I say 
> non-existent, because you did not know about it until they were deep 
> into it. Please note: I was moving out of the country at the time, so 
> it is possible I missed some episodes that covered when they were 
> getting together. If that is the case please let me know
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Well, that brings us full circle back to my question: why does a man 
> > who's pulled in well over a hundred million in up front salary in the 
> > last few years not take a stand and fight for a Black woman as his 
> > love interest in a film?
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Bosco Bosco >
> > Will Smith actually owns his own production company Overbrook
> > Entertainment. I think he pretty much does whatever he wants to at
> > this point.
> >
> > This is from the IMDB:
> >
> > "Graduate of Philly's legendary Overbrook High School, whose alumni
> > include Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Lear, Wali Jones, Walt Hazzard, The
> > Dovells, The Orlons, DeeDee Sharp, etc. and in tribute to his student
> > years there, his production company is called Overbrook
> > Entertainment."
> >
> > The company produce the following movies:
> >
> > Ali, Showtime, I-Robot, Hitch, Saving Face, ATL, and Pursuit of
> > Happiness.
> >
> > Bosco
> > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. Most at his level have made just that move, but for some
> > > reason
> > > (perhaps kids as you suggest) Smith hasn't taken the plunge. If he
> > >
> > > does, it will be interesting to see what he does.
> > >
> > > Justin Mohareb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At this point, it's pretty much possible for an established star
> > > to
> > > > put their own production company together, pick a project they
> > > want,
> > > > and get it done themselves. I'm pretty sure he could put
> > > something
> > > > together for a couple million dollars if he wanted to.
> > > >
> > > > Look at some of the stuff Clooney has done (Good Night, Good
> > > Luck) or
> > > > the Bobby Kennedy movie. These were projects the creators
> > > believed
> > > > in, so they made them happen.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe when his kids are older.
> > > >
> > > > JJ Mohareb
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 18, 2007 4:39 PM, Mike Street > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hummminteresting concept. But I'm sure he still a slave to
> > > > corporate.
> > > > > Now that you bring this up I can't even remember a movie of his
> > > that
> > > > has a
> > > > > black female as his co-star. I was sure that he would link up
> > > with a
> > > > Gab.
> > > > > Uni

[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

[tdemorsella]

too late to cover your tracks now.  I'm gunning for you.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Reece Jennings"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maurice?  Maurice who?   :o)
> (arms flailing, running screaming past Independence Hall)
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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>  
>  
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>   _  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Astromancer
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:13 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
> 
> 
> 
> Maurice, Martin? I'm afraid...
> 
> Meta <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:hettrek%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: We
certainly
> are, Tracey. Just ask my husband.:-)
> 
> Meta
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com,
> "tdemorsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Smart man. I think that trumps a Baltimore woman. Of course, you
> > guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek
> > as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!? 
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com,
> "James A. Landrith, Jr."
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bronx woman.
> > > 
> > > (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and
> > counting)
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > Sent with SnapperMail
> > > www.snappermail.com
> > > 
> > > .. Original Message ...
> > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) "Astromancer"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >(whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It
> > aint 
> > > just Baltimore women...
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> "Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life,
so I'll
> only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you
> might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really
> don't want to get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W.
> Badie
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[scifinoir2] Re: USA Cancels Dead Zone

[tdemorsella]

I really liked it until the last season.  They got rid of the
preacher, the black buddy and the sheriff.  They made his relationship
with his son sappy and the darkness was reduced.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> if i have anything to look forward to, it's that I only watched the
first season of both "the Dead Zone" and "The 4400", so i have a lot
of good times coming up on DVD.   "Dead Zone" surprised me with later
seasons in how dark and complex it seemed to be, especially with the
minister and his connection to the evil politician. What was that
about, and what do you think the show has lost?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> > I only saw a few of the episodes of the last season but it lost 
> > something. i could not watch it anymore 
> > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46619 
> > 
> > USA Cancels Dead Zone 
> > 
> > USA Network has officially canceled The Dead Zone, according to The 
> > Hollywood Reporter. 
> > 
> > The Dead Zone ran for six seasons. It was based on characters from 
> > Stephen King's book and was created by the late Michael Piller and
his 
> > son, Shawn. Its premiere set a record for a series debut on basic
cable, 
> > with 6.4 million viewers. 
> > 
> > The Dead Zone starred Anthony Michael Hall and Nicole de Boer. (USA 
> > Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

[tdemorsella]

ugghh, you guys are giving me a headache

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With Bruce Campbell as Gandalf.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 20, 2007 8:33 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
> >
> > Spider-Man director Sam Raimi will return to his genre roots to helm
> > Drag Me to Hell, a supernatural thriller he wrote with his
brother, Ivan
> > Raimi, Variety reported.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film "Black Sheep"?

[tdemorsella]

I got dirty looks from my husband when I mentioned it.  He started
throwing up some recent choices he felt were poor.  I'm emailing the
info to my brother-in-law

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think that would be a good idea...I think...
> 
> tdemorsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Maybe if I show the
trailer to the guys, they will trust me to add it
> to movie nite
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm adding that to my Netflix right now that trailer is the funniest
> thing
> > ever.
> > 
> > On Dec 19, 2007 2:38 PM, B. Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > > This has been on my Netflix for a while. I'll have to move it up the
> > > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i haven't seen it yet...
> > > >
> > > > -- Original message --
> > > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > > I've been too afraid. Don't know why. Did you like it?
> > > >
> > > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All the jokes about sheep put me in mind of this film i've been
> > > > > hearing about for months, "Black Sheep". With taglines
> > > like "There are
> > > > > forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're all pissed off"
> > > and "The
> > > > > violence of the lambs", it sounds like a hoot. It's supposed to
> > > be
> > > > > very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely eat human
entrails),
> > > and
> > > > > very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me of an updated
version
> > > of
> > > > > camp classics like "The Food of the Gods" or "Night of the
> > > Lepus", but
> > > > > with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA!
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out the trailer, it's hilarious.
> > > > >
> > >
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrai
> > > ler/
> > > > >
> > >
<http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltra
> > > iler/>
> > > > >
> > > > > Synopsis:
> > > > > http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php
> > > > > <http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php>
> > > > > This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield
> > > (Nathan
> > > > > Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of sheep.
> > > When
> > > > > Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding accident on
> > > the
> > > > > land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years later, he has
> > > > > returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest of his
> > > > > therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older
> > > > > brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business,
> > > and
> > > > > become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on
> > > the
> > > > > animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's
> > > > > genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his
> > > worst
> > > > > nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people
> > > into
> > > > > vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal
> > > > > activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the
> > > sheep
> > > > > and find an antidote for the virus.
> > > > >
> > > > > Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the
> > > normally
> > > > > docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots of
> > > the
> > > > > sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and
> > > laughter.
> > > > > However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a bit
> > > less
> > > > > action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin to
> > > fizzle
> > > > > by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work on
> > > the
> > > > > LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously go

[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

[tdemorsella]

Meta

You a Philly girl?  


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Meta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We certainly are, Tracey. Just ask my husband.:-)
> 
> Meta
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Smart man.  I think that trumps a Baltimore woman.  Of course, you
> > guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek
> > as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!?  
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "James A. Landrith, Jr."
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bronx woman.
> > > 
> > > (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and
> > counting)
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > Sent with SnapperMail
> > > www.snappermail.com
> > > 
> > > .. Original Message ...
> > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) "Astromancer"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >(whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It
> > aint 
> > > just Baltimore women...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film "Black Sheep"?

[tdemorsella]

Maybe if I show the trailer to the guys, they will trust me to add it
to movie nite

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm adding that to my Netflix right now that trailer is the funniest
thing
> ever.
> 
> On Dec 19, 2007 2:38 PM, B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >   This has been on my Netflix for a while. I'll have to move it up the
> > list.
> >
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> > >
> > > i haven't seen it yet...
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > I've been too afraid. Don't know why. Did you like it?
> > >
> > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All the jokes about sheep put me in mind of this film i've been
> > > > hearing about for months, "Black Sheep". With taglines
> > like "There are
> > > > forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're all pissed off"
> > and "The
> > > > violence of the lambs", it sounds like a hoot. It's supposed to
> > be
> > > > very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely eat human entrails),
> > and
> > > > very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me of an updated version
> > of
> > > > camp classics like "The Food of the Gods" or "Night of the
> > Lepus", but
> > > > with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA!
> > > >
> > > > Check out the trailer, it's hilarious.
> > > >
> > http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrai
> > ler/
> > > >
> >  > iler/>
> > > >
> > > > Synopsis:
> > > > http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php
> > > > 
> > > > This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield
> > (Nathan
> > > > Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of sheep.
> > When
> > > > Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding accident on
> > the
> > > > land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years later, he has
> > > > returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest of his
> > > > therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older
> > > > brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business,
> > and
> > > > become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on
> > the
> > > > animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's
> > > > genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his
> > worst
> > > > nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people
> > into
> > > > vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal
> > > > activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the
> > sheep
> > > > and find an antidote for the virus.
> > > >
> > > > Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the
> > normally
> > > > docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots of
> > the
> > > > sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and
> > laughter.
> > > > However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a bit
> > less
> > > > action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin to
> > fizzle
> > > > by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work on
> > the
> > > > LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously gory special
> > effects.
> > > > Faces are eaten off, humans throw their own limbs, and heads
> > explode,
> > > > culminating in a raucous bloodbath that will likely earn BLACK
> > SHEEP
> > > > cult status among the EVIL DEAD crowd.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film "Black Sheep"?

[tdemorsella]

Yeah.  Shaun was good,  but the idea of Killer sheep gives me the
willies  (sp)  I live some gory movies once I see them, but i'm
usually slow to go out of my way to seem them.  While I was Mexico, I
had on demand and there were video stores, but I just did not rent
much.  I also missed a lot of stuff that did not get down there, so
with a rental que of almost 200, I put off the killer sheep-- besides,
my husband and brother in law are already making fun of some of my
more adventuresome movie nite rental choices.  i would never live the
sheep down

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> check the trailer at Apple's site. It's not bad at all, just kinda
funny. you get hints of the gore. But didn't you watch Shaun of the
Dead? I heard that's pretty gory?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> No the description on Netflix kind of terrified me. after I got done 
> laughing at the concept of killer sheep
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > didja check the trailer?
> >
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > All jokes aside, huh? Oh my gosh, that's hilarious!!!
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the jokes about sheep put me in mind
of this film i've been hearing about for months, "Black Sheep". With
taglines like "There are forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're
all pissed off" and "The violence of the lambs", it sounds like a
hoot. It's supposed to be very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely
eat human entrails), and very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me
of an updated version of camp classics like "The Food of the Gods" or
"Night of the Lepus", but with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA!
> >
> > Check out the trailer, it's hilarious.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrailer/
> >
> > Synopsis:
> > http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php
> > This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield
(Nathan Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of
sheep. When Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding
accident on the land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years
later, he has returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest
of his therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older
brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business, and
become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on the
animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's
genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his worst
nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people into
vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal
activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the sheep
and find an antidote for the virus. 
> >
> > Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the
normally docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots
of the sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and
laughter. However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a
bit less action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin
to fizzle by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work
on the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously gory special
effects. Faces are eaten off, humans throw their own limbs, and heads
explode, culminating in a raucous bloodbath that will likely earn
BLACK SHEEP cult status among the EVIL DEAD crowd. 
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > "Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life,
so I’ll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many
questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and
you really, really don’t want to get them interested." - The Side
Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
> >
> > -
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
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> > 
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> >
> >
> >
> > 
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

[tdemorsella]

Smart man.  I think that trumps a Baltimore woman.  Of course, you
guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek
as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!?  

:)

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "James A. Landrith, Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bronx woman.
> 
> (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and
counting)
> 
> ___
> Sent with SnapperMail
> www.snappermail.com
> 
> .. Original Message ...
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) "Astromancer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >(whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It
aint 
> just Baltimore women...
> >
>

Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[tdemorsella]

While they were not necessarily my favorite, I found the Reavers on
Firefly pretty scary.  I also found three other Whedon Villians
interesting.  The principal on Buffy,  The Law firm on Angel and
Jasime (Gina Torres) also from Angel were all pretty interesting

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> See?  Ya feelin¹ me on the Blake¹s 7! NOBODY had bad guys like
Blake¹s 7.
> And no bad guy has ever dressed as well as Supreme Commander Servalan!
> 
> 
> On 12/13/07 5:45 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > Speaking of ladies (and using the Wayback Machine), Servalan, from
Blake's 7.
> > 
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > wrote:  Good one.
But that
> > reminds me... SCORPIUS!!! I really enjoyed him
> > 
> > buky90 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > the female commander from farside. just to remind us whos more
> >> > dangerous of
> >> > the species, and when she was pregnant she got more vicious
> >> >
> >> > On 12/12/07, Martin > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > IMO, the best kind of villain is the Operative type. A guy
who's just
> >>> > > doing his job, albeit a job whose morals the masses might
call into
> >>> > > question.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Deity. I just validated Mister Bush.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <
> >>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> 
> >> > 
> >>> > >
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > Buy the way, I love the operative. Sure wish we could see
more of him
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Daryle wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > Hal not only counts, it counts as the best developed
villain of all!
> >>> > > Good
>  > > > choice!
>  > > >
>  > > > My short list has to include the Tyrell Corporation (yes,
the whole
>  > > > corporation) of ³Blade Runner², The entire cast of
³Blake¹s 7², 
> Elijah
>  > > > from
>  > > > ³Unbreakable², The Operative (Chiwetel Ejiofor¹s
character) from
>  > > > ³Serenity²,
>  > > > and of course...the Cardassians.
>  > > >
>  > > > On 12/12/07 1:07 PM, "Bosco Bosco" > > wrote:
>  > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's so many good villains to choose from. I'm a
villain lover
> > > > > > actually.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In no particular order here's some faves off the top
of my head.
> > > > > > Darth Vader, Baron Harkonnen, The Reavers from
Firefly/Serenity,
> Dr.
> > > > > > John Whorfin, Spike, and The Others on Lost.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do Q and Hal count as villains? I count them as such I
suppose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bosco
> > > > > > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>> > > > >> > One of my favorite villians is Ra's Al Ghul from
Batman. He
> seems
> >>> > > > >> > to be
> >>> > > > >> > one of the more fleshed out villains. I love his
back flash
> >>> > > > >> > stories and
> >>> > > > >> > how they reveal his motivations. his relationship
with Batman
> is
> >>> > > > >> >
> >>> > > > >> > never Black and White.
> >>> > > > >> >
> >>> > > > >> > Mike Street wrote:
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > I like well developed villains. I think
Magneto is
> excellent
> >>> > > > >> > cause he
> > > > > >>> > > has a
> > > > > >>> > > clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with
what he's
> trying 
> >> > to do.
> >>> > > > >> > Or the
> > > > > >>> > > Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right
from wrong
> >> > anymore.
> >>> > > I
> >>> > > > >> > do think
> > > > > >>> > > the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted
the Legion of
> >> > Doom to
> >>> > > > >> > kick the
> > > > > >>> > > good guys ass once and a while..just for a
reality
> check. My
> >>> > > > >> > favorite was
> > > > > >>> > > when Batman got his ass kicked and was out
and the
> Azreal came
> >>> > > in
> >>> > > > >> > to take
> > > > > >>> > > his place and was kicking everyone ass. Them
stupid
> Batman 
> >> > comes
> >>> > > > >> > back to
> > > > > >>> > > kick his ass. I was like this is bull shit.
I personally
> like
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > >> > eviler
> > > > > >>> > > Batman and was hoping that Bruce Wane would
retire for
> good.
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> >>> > > > >> >
> >>> > > > >> >
> >>> > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> > > > >> >
> >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > > > > > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> > > > 

[scifinoir2] For Martin Re: FW: [Blackfolks] Electromagnetic Radiation:Intervention

[tdemorsella]

hi Martin

I was getting ready to order a radiation safe head set and I found a 
Radiation Frequency Safe Pocket Shield and a Radiation Frequency Safe
Belt Clip Shield  


I'm sure there are other brands, but these are the ones I found:
Radiation Frequency Safe Pocket Shield 
http://www.rfsafe.com/product-2.html

 Radiation Frequency Safe Belt Clip Shield 
http://www.rfsafe.com/abelt_shield.htm

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Again, stunned at being in any decent health, knowing this. And
really scary- I considered wearing it on a lanyard around my neck,
waaay too close to my heart for comfort. 8-O
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
4. Try to avoid keeping your cell phone in your pocket or on your hip
>  > all day. The hip is responsible for producing 80% of the red blood
>  > cells in
>  > the body and that area is especially vulnerable to EMR damage.
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > I've always worn my cell on my left hip, since I'm left-handed.
Wonder 
> > if I should ask my doctor about this when I see him on the 1st.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > 
> > > wrote: From what I've 
> > read it does not start affecting you with tumors until
> > you have used them excessively for 10 years straight holding the phone
> > on the same side of your face. Even then, your likelihood tumors
> > increases, significantly. It does not mean you will definitely get a 
> > tumor.
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, I haven't noticed *any* ill effects. I'm healthier
than I've
> > > ever been.
> > >
> > > Reece Jennings
> > > > wrote: Wow. Damage done, huh? I
> > > had a tumor removed from my left jaw back in '04.
> > > Benign.
> > > I used to keep my cellphone under my left uniform shirt epaulet (sp)
> > > when I
> > > was a
> > > Law Enforcement Officer. I mean a cop.
> > >
> > > I don't do that anymore. But I DO still keep it on my belt.
> > >
> > > Maurice Jennings
> > > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> > > KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> > > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation =>
> > > http://www.legacyhomesavers.com 
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > > ] On
> > > Behalf Of Martin
> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:45 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: [Blackfolks] Electromagnetic
> > > Radiation:Intervention Recommendations from the Safe Wireless
Initiative
> > >
> > > Number 4 comes about sixteen years too late for me...
> > >
> > > Reece Jennings
> > > yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Electromagnetic Radiation:
> > > Intervention Recommendations from
> > > the Safe Wireless Initiative
> > >
> > > To minimize dangerous electromagnetic radiation from your personal
> > > environment:
> > >
> > > 1. Keep your cell phone at least 6-7 inches away from the body
while it
> > > is on.
> > >
> > > 2. Use an air tube, not wired or wireless, headset or speaker
mode, as
> > > much as possible.
> > >
> > > 3. Keep the cell phone turned completely off when not in use.
> > >
> > > 4. Try to avoid keeping your cell phone in your pocket or on
your hip
> > > all day. The hip is responsible for producing 80% of the red blood
> > > cells in
> > > the body and that area is especially vulnerable to EMR damage.
> > >
> > > 5. Replace cordless phones with corded landlines wherever possible.
> > >
> > > 6. Minimize exposure to all wireless technology and other electric
> > > devices or equipment. Hard-wire your computer for Internet access, 
> > instead
> > > of wireless access.
> > >
> > > 7. Nutritional supplementation is showing significant protective
> > > effects from melatonin and vitamins C and E in averting oxidative 
> > stress.
> > >
> > > 8. Install various EMR filters to electrical circuits and
appliances.
> > >
> > > 9. Use appropriate preventive technologies as often as possible.
> > >
> > > 10. Never talk on a cell phone or cordless home phone when you are
> > > pregnant or with a baby or small child in your arms.
> > >
> > > 11. Move your alarm clock radio at least 3 feet from your head,
6 feet
> > > is recommended.
> > >
> > > 12. Keep your "sleep zone" as low EMR as possible; avoid electric,
> > > metal-framed, and water beds.
> > >
> > > 13. On an electric stove, cook on the back burners instead of
the front,
> > > whenever you can.
> > >
> > > 14. Find hot spots in your home or office with the use of a
gauss meter
> > > to measure EMR in the extremely low frequency effect window
associated
> > > with
> > > electricity.
> > >
> > > 15. Measure EMR (ELF and information carrying radio waves from
wireless
> > > devices) with an Electrosmog Detector, professional RF meter or
gauss
> > > meter.
> > > When there are high readings, take steps to eliminate the EMR and 
> > mitigate
> > > the effects.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Merrill Lynch Chief to Step Down

[tdemorsella]

I managed the Intranet for the Global IT department and coordinated
the managers of Intranets for 30 other divisions.  Regarding the
timing, it looks like they are both crashing and burning.  My response
is purely emotional because they have defied the lables people have
put on us.  Ironically, there is a lot I have read O'Neal, that is
disturbing--- also right after 911  they had a massive layoff of 1/3
of the employees - I think something like 33,000 people.  Before that
time, there were rarely layoffs so most of the people i knew there
were long time employees.  Everybody did a lot get things back up and
running after the 911 and to put things back in place so we could get
back in the towers in NY.  There were assurances about jobs-- no body
believed them.  But it seems like as soon as he could he did the lay
off so that it would not look like he got rid of them at Christmas. 
In his defense, any body who took a package made out.  Those who tried
to take a package later did not do so well.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> i agree, timing's odd, though other stuff I read bout O'Neal makes
me wonder. what did you do when you were there?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> > I'm not necessarily an advocate. There could be no other logical move 
> > then to get rid of him, but it kind of stings a lot that him and
Parsons 
> > are being made to resign at the same time. 
> > 
> > I was there in 2000-2001. After years of self-employment, i
enjoyed it. 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > > 
> > > not to disagree or criticize, but, though he turned it around then, 
> > > why the multi-billion dollar loss now? 
> > > when did you work at Merrill Lynch? 
> > > 
> > > -- Original message -- 
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > > > > 
> > > 
> > > > I worked there when he became President. With some of the
headquarters 
> > > > in the Towers next to the 911 bombed towers the company was 
> > > hemorrhaging 
> > > > money and the man turned it around. Its funny how short their
memories 
> > > > are, but not surprising. 
> > > > 
> > > > Tracey 
> > > > 
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know the Merrill Lynch chief
was a 
> > > > > brother?! I'd been hearing about this all morning, and just
now saw 
> > > > > his picture! And I have to be honest: when I first heard the
reports, 
> > > > > i shook my head, thinking "what else is new?" Another
company getting 
> > > > > caught up in too many years of questionable accounting and
over-eager 
> > > > > business practices. And when I heard this on the radio -- "The 
> > > Merrill 
> > > > > spokesman said O'Neal would not receive a severance package,
but that 
> > > > > he would have access to all the stock he received during his 
> > > tenure at 
> > > > > the company. Merrill declined to disclose how many shares
O'Neal 
> > > > > accrued. Including salary and annual bonuses, O'Neal took
home $46 
> > > > > million in compensation in 2006." -- I thought, "a Forty-six
mill?! 
> > > > > Another fat-cat executive making too much damn money, getting a 
> > > > > platinum parachute even when he's having to leave for poor 
> > > > > performance". Typical. 
> > > > > And then I read he's a brother and before I know it I said
to myself 
> > > > > "That's what I'm talking about! You gon' ahead bruh and get
your 
> > > > > money! If THEY can do it why can't we?! Huh, they probably
trying to 
> > > > > make you a scapegoat anyway. You didn't get your forty
acres, but you 
> > > > > got forty million dollars. My man!" 
> > > > > Sigh... guess I have a ways to go for full enlightenment! 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> >
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/news/companies/merrill_oneal/index.htm?postversi

> > > 
> > > i> 
> > > 
> > > > on=2007103012 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ion=2007103012> 
> > > > > O'Neal out as Merrill Lynch chief 
> > > > > Stanley O'Neal relinquishes post amid $8 billion subprime
losses; 
> > > > > Alberto Cribiore named as interim non-executive chairman. 
> > > > > By David Ellis, CNNMoney.com staff writer 
> > > > > October 30 2007: 12:56 PM EDT 
> > > > > 
> > > > > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- After a 21-year career at Merrill
Lynch & 
> > > > > Co., Stanley O'Neal stepped down Tuesday as chairman and
CEO, less 
> > > > > than one week after the firm stunned Wall Street by
revealing an $8 
> > > > > billion loss on risky investments in subprime mortgages. 
> > > > > Merrill (Charts, Fortune 500) shares fell 4 percent in late
morning 
> > > > > trade Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The nation's largest brokerage said O'Neal, 56, would retire 
> > > > > immediately and that board member Alberto Cribiore would
take over 
> > > for 
> > > > > him as interim non-executive chairman. 
> > > > > Merrill said bo

[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Roll Call

[tdemorsella]

A number of new people have joined the group lately, so I decided to
post this call for a roll call so who in a member and what their
interests are.  Help us get to know you.  Answer the questions below
and send your Roll Call answers to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL 

1. Name:
2. Location: 
3. Nickname(s)/Alias[s]: 
4. To What Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or
identify(describe the character):
5. Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres: Science/Speculative Fiction
and Mystery.
6. Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Shows (canceled shows ok): 
7. Favorite Speculative Fiction Movies:
8. Favorite Speculative Fiction Characters: 
9. Favorite Speculative Fiction Villain: 
10. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Book:
11.  Your Favorite Show that was canceled unfairly:
12. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Superhero:
13. Topics of importance to you:
14. Your own published works, if any: 
15. Your web site: 
16. Your Speculative Fiction Pet Peeves: 
17. Memberships in science fiction clubs or discussion groups:
18. Speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you:
19. Movies you plan on seeing this summer:
20.  Movies you plan on avoiding this summer:

Send your Roll Call to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL 

[scifinoir2] Hey Rachelle!!!! Fwd: Blog communities

[tdemorsella]

A little while back, Rachelle was reaching out to be active in the
group, but she was posting on the old group which is not active.  I
moved her to this list which is active, but she has been silent.  

Rachelle!!!

Where are you??  What do you want to talk about?  We really want you
to join in.

Tracey

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "muze101" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was curious, does this group have a community some place like
Livejournal, Greatestjournal or sites like that?

rachelle

--- End forwarded message ---

[scifinoir2] Fwd: Re: What are you...

[tdemorsella]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "muze101" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Tracey
Well, I loved scifi TV at one point but I have to admit the last shows
I was really wild about was Witchblade and First Wave. I was also a
Dark Angel fan. I admit to missing horror based tv shows. I was hoping
the new version of The Night Stalker would last. Right now, I really
love Heroes, it has replaced Lost in my heart. Lost was so great when
it first started and I love surprises and plot twists as much as the
next girl but in the last season I felt the writers were just trying
to go in too many directions. With it's return last fall, showing a
few eps, then asking the audience to wait until Feb '07 for new shows
was jut a bit much for me. I don't think I'll be going back. 

I'm looking forward to the Dresden Files and I have been watching Dr.
Who when I can catch it. Does anyone no anything about Torchwood?
Where it's airing in the U.S.?  I keep hearing good things about it.

~~~rachelle

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey
L. Minor)"  wrote:
>
> Watching on TV and DVD?  What do you recommend?  What should we steer 
> clear of?
> 
> Tracey
>

--- End forwarded message ---

[scifinoir2] Re: "Blood Ties" on Lifetime TV

[tdemorsella]

I saw it on the last leg of my trip.  It was my first taste of Scifi
in The US in More than a year.  I hoped for so much, but it seemed a
little formulaic, the script was week and the production seemed
extremely low budget.  I did not have a problem with low bodget
productions, but it does not seem like much effort was done to get the
most out of the budget they had.  

I will probably watch it to get my scifi fix, but it it does not
improve, I do not know for how Long I will watch.

Travey

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Anyone check this show out? The main actress was on "Earth: Final
Conflict", I believe. and I seem to remember some cable movie about
her in a lesbian relationship. Tonight's show was okay. Dealt with
voodo,  but I've seen so many of those I almost laugh at the people
faking the Caribbean or New Orleans accents.
> http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/bloodties/
> After being asked to unravel a bizarre murder case, private
investigator Vicki Nelson realizes that uncovering who — or what — the
killer is may be a lot harder than for her typical case. During a
stakeout the ex-cop meets Henry Fitzroy, who looks to be an
irresistible twentysomething playboy but claims he's actually a
450-year-old vampire! Though she has trouble swallowing his story,
Henry has interesting insight into the case, so Vicki teams up with
him to nail the killer. But things get complicated when sparks ignite
between this unlikely pair, and Vicki's ex-partner and former flame,
who immediately distrusts Henry, takes an undue interest in the new
partners' undeniably electric connection.
> "Blood Ties," based on Tanya Huff's best-selling Blood Books novels,
follows Vicki as she finds herself more and more drawn to probing the
unexplainable, leading her to walk a line between the supernatural and
earthly worlds, torn between the men on either side.
> Character: Vicki Nelson
> Cop turned private investigator Vicki Nelson has the not-so-easy
task of solving supernatural cases with the help of her sexy
preternatural partner, Henry, and her assistant, Coreen.
> Christina Cox
> Best known for her lead role in "F/X: The Series" as well as her
performance opposite Vin Diesel in "The Chronicles of Riddick,"
actress Christina Cox's credits also include "CSI: Miami," "Cold Case"
and "Numb3rs." Recently, Cox cocreated a pilot called "The Trackers,"
and soon she'll be seen opposite Ving Rhames in the upcoming film
"Ascension Day."
> Character: Coreen Fennel
> After her boyfriend was murdered, Coreen sought Vicki's help,
believing supernatural forces were involved. Now she's Vicki's assistant.
> Gina Holden
> Gina Holden began her career as a model, finding success as the face
of Shiseido cosmetics. After discovering acting, Holden went on to
appear in "Fantastic Four," "Final Destination 3," "The Butterfly
Effect 2" and "Code Name: The Cleaner." The actress's television
credits include "Reunion," "The L Word," "Psych," "Supernatural" and
"The Dead Zone."
> Character: Mike Celluci
> Vicki's ex-partner and sometime lover Mike Celluci is often
simultaneously trying to tackle the same unexplainable cases as Vicki,
and he's far from thrilled about Vicki and her new partner's palpable
chemistry.
> Dylan Neal
> Dylan Neal is a well-recognized face on television, having had
recurring roles in "JAG," "The Bold and the Beautiful" and "Dawson's
Creek," as Doug Witter. Neal has also been seen in the series
"Sabrina, the Teenage Witch," "The War at Home," "CSI: Miami" and
"Kevin Hill." He appeared on the big screen alongside Josh Hartnett in
the film "40 Days and 40 Nights."
> Character: Henry Fitzroy
> Henry Fitzroy, a 450-year-old vampire and the son of Henry VIII,
lives among humans as a graphic novelist but as a sideline teams up
with Vicki to investigate the unexplainable.
> Kyle Schmid
> Kyle Schmid's recent work includes his recurring role in "Beautiful
People" as well as an appearance in the Disney Channel's "The Cheetah
Girls." The actor also starred in Lifetime's "Cyber Seduction: His
Secret Life" and "Sex & the Single Mom." Schmid's feature-film credits
include "The Covenant," "The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants," "A
History of Violence" and "The Pacifier."
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Crazy Lady Moving to Seattle

[tdemorsella]

Third World is right.  So sad...  anyway, there seems to be a lot of
fun places to to eat, so we should definitely hook up.  After morethan
 decade of emails, it will be great to finally meet you.  Will you be
going to the scifi museum?  

Tracey
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tracey:
> 
> Welcome back to the planet's newest and largest 3rd world country!
> 
> BTW, my wife and I will be in Seattle on or about August 10, 2007 for 
> a cruise to Alaska. Maybe we can get together for dinner or drinks? 
> We're staying in a downtown hotel a couple nights before the ship 
> sails on August 12.
> 
> George
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey SciFiNoir Fam:
> > 
> > Just letting you know that I'm moving back to the States.  Seattle 
> is 
> > where we are landing  (Chris is a software C++, ASP.NET guy.  We 
> are 
> > leaving on Tuesday.  We decided with both of us being sick, it is 
> hard 
> > to take advantage of the benefits that we moved to Mexico for.  I'm 
> > going to be real sick for at least another six month and it will 
> take an 
> > additional year to get completely healed.  Since you guys have been 
> so 
> > supportive, I wanted you to know.
> > 
> > I m so excited becuase I have missed so much scifi and the schedule 
> is 
> > so behind, that sometimes I have to avoid reading your posts.  Now 
> I 
> > will able to join in.
> > 
> > Anyone on the list in Seattle?
> > 
> > Tracey
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Crazy Lady Moving to Seattle

[tdemorsella]

Thanks:

just arrived two days ago.  So far, I like it. where do you live now?
 What is the attraction for this neck of the woods? I keep you updated.  

Tracey

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Welcome back Tracey. I hope you and your hubby get well soon. 
> 
> Please let us know how you like Seattle. The wife and I are 
> considering that part of the country as a possible place to relocate 
> in the future.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey SciFiNoir Fam:
> > 
> > Just letting you know that I'm moving back to the States.  Seattle 
> is 
> > where we are landing  (Chris is a software C++, ASP.NET guy.  We 
> are 
> > leaving on Tuesday.  We decided with both of us being sick, it is 
> hard 
> > to take advantage of the benefits that we moved to Mexico for.  I'm 
> > going to be real sick for at least another six month and it will 
> take an 
> > additional year to get completely healed.  Since you guys have been 
> so 
> > supportive, I wanted you to know.
> > 
> > I m so excited becuase I have missed so much scifi and the schedule 
> is 
> > so behind, that sometimes I have to avoid reading your posts.  Now 
> I 
> > will able to join in.
> > 
> > Anyone on the list in Seattle?
> > 
> > Tracey
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Where are Our Members - Do You Live Near Me?

[tdemorsella]

Hi SciFiNoir Family.  Since there are so many new members, I thought I
would send this reminder to add your name to our group map that lets
members know in what cities other scifinoir members live.  Most of you
probably live really close to other members and do not even know it. 
This map will hopefully correct that.  Please click through to add
your point on the map. Takes less than a minute.
http://www.frappr.com/scifinoir/map  

Thanks

Tracey de Morsella, your moderator
SciFiNoir/SciFiNoir-Lit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir-lit/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/
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[scifinoir2] An Intro from

[tdemorsella]

There are now 105 members on SciFiNoir2.  32 new members were migrated
from the place holder I got back (our old site).  Since we are all
over here, no nobody was talking over there, I thought it best if we
got together.  

Anyway, the following is an update of the old Intro everybody used to
submit.  I think we should all fill it out so that we can get to know
new people and old school members can get reacquainted.   It a great
way to discover others with similar interests. Post your introduction
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  On the subject line, after " An Intro
>From "  type your name and city.  After posting your profile, watch
how many friends you will quickly make!

1.   Name: 
2.   Location: 
3.   Nickname/ Alias: 
4.   To What Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or
identify(describe the character):
5.   Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres:
6.   Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Show (canceled shows ok):
7.   Favorite Speculative Fiction Movie:  
8.   Favorite Speculative Fiction Characters: 
9.   Favorite Speculative Fiction Villain:
11.  Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Book:
12.  Favorite  Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Superhero:
13.  Topics of importance to you: 
14.  Your own published works, if any:
15.  Your web site:
16.  Your Speculative Fiction Pet Peeves: 
17.  Memberships in science fiction clubs: 
18.  Anything else you think is important:

Once Again, Welcome to SciFiNoir2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/

[scifinoir2] Map of SciFinoir Member Locations

[tdemorsella]

Hi SciFiNoir Family.  I just signed us up for a service that provides
a map of what cities in which scifinoir members live.  While I no
longer live near anyone anymore,(moved to Mexico in October) most of
you probably live really close to other memers and do not even know
it.  This map will hopefully correct that.  Please click through to
add your point on the map. Takes less than a minute.
http://www.frappr.com/scifinoir/map   


Thanks

Tracey de Morsella, your moderator
SciFiNoir/SciFiNoir-Lit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir-lit/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/
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[scifinoir2] Re: War of the Worlds-Has Cruise's Meltdown Affected Whether You Will Go See It

[tdemorsella]

George you crack me up.  Scifinoir reloaded.  I like that  ;)

Tracey

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> What Rogers meant was... she needed her "instrument" tuned regularly 
> to keep feeling good. Quite naturally, some women need 
> their "instrument" tuned more frequently than other women. It would 
> seem from Roger's comment that Tommy was either disinterested or not 
> up to the task of properly tuning Roger's "instrument."
> 
> Need I say more? Need I be more explicit? (I'd rather not be 
> explicit as this may get SciFiNoir2 shut down again by Yahoo; and 
> Tracey has to reload it to SciFiNoir3 just like the Matrix was 
> reloaded.)
> 
> George
> Captain
> The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What does that comment from rogers mean?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Kelly Wright
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 21:18
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: War of the Worlds-Has Cruise's Meltdown
> > Affected Whether You Will Go See It
> > 
> > 
> > The Hollywood scuttlebutt is that Tom wanted Jessica Alba and 
> > Scarlett Johanssen prior to settling Holmes.  He wanted Jessica to 
> > raise his virility profile (she is young, hot, yet sill considered 
> > nice)but the Alba camp gave him the cold shoulder.  Allegedly 
> > Johanssen balked at the Scientology clause in the relationship. 
> > Frankly, I think Tommy has been trading down since he divorced
> > Mimi Rogers (my favorite comment of hers regarding their
> > marraige: "I needed my instrument tuned and he didn't").
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 6/28/05 9:28:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > 
> > > > Meltdown? Schmeltdown. I am puzzled how Tom Cruise feels Katie
> > > > Holmes is an upgrade over Nicole Kidman. The dude has lost his 
> > > > mind! LOL!
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > On this I whole heartedly agree. :) To me this is a downgrade.
> > > 
> > > -GTW




 
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[scifinoir2] PS: Quotes can come from your own work/SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

[tdemorsella]

Hi SciFiNoir Family:

I am compiling quotes for a quote generator that we are installing
on the planned portal. Could you guys submit some of your favorites?

They can be from any type of speculative fiction genre or media type.

Post them to the list or send to the email listed below.


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[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

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Hi SciFiNoir Family:

I am compiling quotes for a quote generator that we are installing 
on the planned portal.  Could you guys submit some of your favorites?
 
They can be from any type of speculative fiction genre or media type.
 
Post them to the list or send to the email listed below.


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