Re: Provocative thoughts
Hello, Charles. I am not an expert in Herx reactions. Hope you get other, more expert answers. Longest I have had was two days. Whitney It seemed SO severe, and I tried continuing, until I just couldn't. Usually a Herx reaction would let up with a little time right? Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes
The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes is incorrect. Sandy san...@better.net -- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:14 AM Hello Frank Matzka. For a full description of a traditional liver flush, see http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/req/cleanse/liver.txt. You will find all sorts of valuable alternative treatments and procedures on that site, which is the webpage of Brian McInturf. Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka fmat...@senet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR
I think I've mentioned the Motherlode (about $400); haven't gotten one yet; it's on my list of expensive toys to get within the next 6 mo. It can process up to a gallon of CS, pretty high ppm if desired; doesn't require wiping wires or filtering or dark glass bottles, and processes fairly quickly according to literature I have on it. A teenage girl I know used this CS (her mother made it for her). She had severe headaches with Lyme disease and is now asymptotic. I'm sorry that you lost another friend; thanks for letting us know. I hope you can find a better doctor, too. Sincerely, Nancy A web address for it is: http://www.register.com/motherlode/p049.htm -Original Message- From: likow...@earthlink.net likow...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 2:49 PM Subject: HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR Hello Listers, Would the person(s) who posted that they were using the expensive AC GENERATOR (I think around $600) during that AC/DC debate some months back please stand up? Also, anyone else who has knowledge in this area or knows of similar generators. I would like to ask some questions. Thank you - Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
NOTICE
With no apology, I launch into the personal here. If you don't want to share grief, please feel free to delete this very personal message to you who in such a short while have shared so much with me. Wil Cavanaugh She was one of our best friends. The people with whom she lived until 1993 called her Buddha-- the enlightened one. They were going to put her to sleep, because they suspected she had killed one of their ducks. Chuck loved her, and would not allow that, so he brought her home where she has been the kindest, happiest, most wonderful spirit around. She frequently had a rooster who walked beside her. She knew the peafowl well, while we had those birds. We had many waterfowl who trusted and loved her. She was a snake-killer, and she hunted with Merlin in her prime. Living in a Baptist enclave has its disadvantages. Chuck did not want to change Boo's name at her advanced age, but he did not want the locals to think ill of her, so he suggested a compromise. Why not change her name to Bootiful? And so we did. She knew her name, and she knew she was loved. We have many memories, many pictures. She was our friend. We think there was more wrong with her poor body at the end than just the heart failure, for which we were taking her to the vet. She would swell so big, and we'd have to have her drained. But she lost nearly all her fine musculature. Both Chuck and I knew last night that she had reached the end. Chuck sat in front of her on the floor in the dining room, in the full knowledge that she needed to leave. I will always believe that she was staying until Chuck was ready to release her. Gently, with tears coursing down his cheeks, he told her goodby. He told her that she was free to go when she was ready. Then we picked her up and put her on Chuck's pillow on the floor next to his side of the bed. Chuck lay awake most of the night, and he was with her when she passed over at 4:12 this morning. He got up and tended to her dishes and leftover food. I am grateful that he got to be with her. She loved me, but he was her special friend-- beloved above all. As you may imagine, we are in deep mourning. I knew she was not well. . . desperately ill, in fact; but we miss her so deeply it is beyond words. She is now at the heart of God, I know. She can talk, she can think as she never thought before, and she KNOWS she was loved-- still is. We will always be grateful to have spent 5 years with this wonderful person-- our friend. And if I might be so bold as to say: Our loss is Heaven's gain. They're going to have some fun up there, now that our Bootiful is there to liven the place up. I've often heard: If it's not beautiful, you're not dead. I believe that. It's the only thing that makes losing Bootiful bearable. I hope you will forgive us for sharing our pain-- that was not my intent. I simply did not want the passing of this most wonderful person to go by without remark. She deserves better than that. Yours, Chuck Wil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: An observation...
Hi Chuck! Thanks for contributing. And thank you so much for sharing Marsha with us! big grin On 13 Jul 98 at 11:21, you wrote: The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). ... The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. In a few situations the bulb can influence the process. Specifically, for those who use salt or baking soda electrolyte to speed things up, or running the no-salt process a really long time trying to make high ppm. Enough current flows that the bulb begins to glow dimly. There is enough voltage drop across the bulb for the electrode voltage to drop considerably, towards 15 volts in my old setup as an example. We're talking currents about 20ma, which is pretty darn high. So it can serve as a really crude process current limiter for some setups. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
I said last week that I connected worsened brain fog/die off(herx). One thing that connects with what Reid said as to thick blood, last summer I had memory problems so bad and equilibrium problems and symptoms of stroke and I take meds for blood pressure that is an adrenal inhibitor as this is only what works for me so far and now I have such horrific dehydration and I read on the web that LOW BLOOD pressure causes dehydration. I can sit here and guzzle water all day and not restore my hydration. Anyone have any theories on that one? Sorry off topic:) Deb I learned something about that a little while back. Don't guzzle the water, sip it all day long and I also take 2 asperins 3-4 times a day. I don't know exactly what the difference is but sipping water works better for me than drinking a glass full every so often. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: TDS-1 What it actually does!
This sounds more like an answer to my original question a week or so ago. I thought it would only measure ionic silver and not include non-ionic silver. Thanks for clarifying. Nancy B. -Original Message- From: Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net To: bjs1...@theramp.net bjs1...@theramp.net Cc: George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp; silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 8:42 AM Subject: Re: TDS-1 What it actually does! bjs1779 wrote: It should be noted that the TDS can not identify ionic particles. Bob reported as much with his conversation with the manufactures of the TDS meters. At least that is my memorey of what he said. bjs It might be mor accurate to state that the TDS1 does not differentiate between ionic and non-ionic particles; it does a conductivity test to calculate total disolved solids. (All particles in the fluid being tested.) Bruce Stenulson Applied Technology -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: To stir or not to stir...
Hi All, Concerning stirring, I use a straw and blow bubbles under the silver rods. As the bubbles rise, they agitate the water above them. Variations of placement will also work. Paul Andree = Reid Smith wrote: The answer is yes it should be stirred and should prevent larger particals. The water becomes more conductive in that cloud area. Tom, Reid, your observations are right on. This is one of those subtle variables that are going to make it hard to standardize a recipe. One of the most elegant solutions I have thought of is a glass tube attached to an aquarium air pump through a control valve, so a gentle stream of bubbles could keep things stirred up, even when operating at room temperature. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Colloidal or Ionic -- or Dissolved ?
On 13 Jul 98 at 16:02, Bill wrote: Is it possible to dissolve pure silver in distilled water ? I suspect that the *solubility* of silver in plain water is extremely low, akin to that of other metals. For practical purposes, I think silver would be classified as *IN*soluble. You just won't see a lot of silver atoms floating off into the water without some help. However, silver ions could be driven off by electrolytic action, leaving individual Ag+ ions floating around. Pushing enough current through that you produce so many Ag+ ions all at once that they clump together, or are driven off as charged clumps, and you're describing our process for making CS pretty closely. Just my opinion. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Is there Colloidal Gold?
I tried Colloidal Gold but the results weren't that great. I found that a GOOD herb-vegetable-grain-fruit powder mix gives so much better results than a single mineral (gold). There are hundreds of HEALING NUTRIENTS in a good powder mixture which will help your body heal FASTER than just Gold Mineral Water. Regards, Joyce On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, chc wrote: (snip) Here's what waterOZ says about, Gold Mineral Water Gold Mineral Water is non-toxic and promotes a general euphoric feeling of well being, stimulates the body's restorative functions, enhances the body's natural defenses against illness, and promotes vitality and longevity. Gold Mineral Water is believed to be helpful with: brain function, depression, despair, fear, circulatory problems, drug/alcohol addictions, digestive disorders, gland functions, puncture wounds, seasonal attitude disorder, arthritis, burns, chills, frustration, obesity, anguish, melancholy, sorrow, heat flashes, and night sweats. Hope this helps. chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Bob Beck's CS info
Also see this web site for Bob Beck's 'blood electrifier' and 'magnetic pulse generator' healing device plans. Home page: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/index.htm from: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/bobbeck/index.htm - Currently Preferred Silver Colloid Making Apparatus, Means and Method For information and educational purposes only, not medical advice. Copyright 1993 Robert C. Beck, D.Sc. Revision 28 February 1997 To easily and rapidly make unlimited quantities of good quality silver colloid concentrate for ~1 cents per gallon (plus water costs) you'll need three 9 volt type MN1604 regular alkaline transistor radio batteries, three battery snap-on lead connectors, 2 insulated alligator clips, 1 grain-of-wheat 24 volt 40 mA sub miniature incandescent bulb, a foot of 3/32 heat-shrink insulation tubing, 10 pure silver wire, and a foot of 2-conductor stranded insulated wire for clip-leads. This should cost under $20 maximum for everything and take about 35 minutes to assemble from scratch. This design is idiot proof and simple to use. It makes an odorless, tasteless, colorless fast and powerful antiseptic and one of the most remarkable healing agents known. The entire colloid making process takes about three minutes per 8 OZ batch for ~3 ppm laboratory tested concentration at room temperature. Use three snap-on connector clips for the batteries. Solder them in series (red to black) to provide 27 volts. Connect a 24 volt incandescent lamp in series with either (positive or negative) output lead. Solder a red insulated alligator clip to the positive (anode) and a black insulated clip to the negative (cathode) 2-conductor lead wires. Insulation is shrunk over soldered connections using a heat gun or match. Use ONLY pure silver (.999 fine) electrodes. #14 gauge (AWG) is the preferred size. Pure silver is sometimes available at electroplating supply companies, foundries, precious metals dealers, etc. Do NOT use Sterling silver (.9275 or other) since Sterling contains copper and nickel. Nickel can be toxic. WARNING Sterling is sometimes passed off for electrodes with commercial colloid makers through ignorance or by entrepreneurs who are trying to cut corners and save money. Discard them as hazardous. Use only triple distilled or de-ionized water for injectable colloid. Single distilled water makes the best transparent colloids BUT its higher resistance takes up to half an hour to make a 5 ppm concentration. Tap water is O.K. for most other uses but contains chlorine which may produce some AgCl which is harmless but gives a mirky appearance as will any salt (NaCl) which should be avoided. Bend top ends of silver electrode wires to clip over rim of plastic or glass container. Leave about 4 inches of bare electrodes submergible in the working solution (water). Spacing between electrodes is not critical. There is no on-off switch, so process starts immediately when alligator clips are both attached to submerged wires, however most commercial colloid makers do have switches which must be on when using. Process stops when either or both clips are disconnected. If bulb glows visibly, proceed and let current flow for about three minutes then remove clips, stir, and you are done. If bulb doesn't light or you see only a faint reddish glow, proceed longer. Do not add any salt. You may observe smoke-like plumes of pure white ultra fine grain silver against a dark background as colloid electrolytically sinters off the anode (positive polarity side of battery; red lead) and drifts into solution. Stir thoroughly before using or storing and shake each time before using. Three minutes activation of ~8 OZ of properly conductive water at ~72F gives ~3 ppm (parts per million) strength. Each additional 10 degrees F, will double ppm for a given time. Yield also depends on water conductivity, surface area of electrodes, amount of current, and time. ~3 minutes makes a stock solution which can be safely used full strength for anything. But its best to charge water by itself and add this to other foods or liquids as desired or drink it directly. Overdosing with any amount is considered unlikely for metallic Colloid, but silver PROTEINS can be harmful, toxic, and stain skin (Argyria). The 24 volt, 40 mA miniature bulb acts as an ideal ballast, current drain indicator, current limiter, and battery condition check for the apparatus. I found aircraft grain-of-wheat lamps (Precision Lamp, Inc. part #10238) in surplus for $0.50 each. You can momentarily short-circuit clip-leads together without harm; the bulb will simply light brightly. Also the visual brightness while operating gives an accurate indication of tap water conductivity. With distilled or de-ionized (high resistance) water, you will see no glow. Make and store colloids only in electrically non-conductive containers such as dark
Colloidal or Ionic -- or Dissolved ?
Peter Lindemann's info (see below) clears up the question Colloidal or Ionic? -- but how do we know if there is dissolved silver (DS) in CS ? Is it possible to dissolve pure silver in distilled water ? Is there always some DS in properly made CS ? Is consuming too much dissolved silver unhealthy ? Is dissolved silver present in CS only, or primarily, when made using certain methods ? Do certain CS production methods produce excessively high levels of dissolved silver ? Does the level of DS increase over time, as CS ages ? Does the 'rate of conversion' to DS accelerate when CS is exposed to certain types of electric or magnetic fields, or heat, etc. ? When testing CS, is there a simple method to determine if dissolved silver is present ? When testing CS, is there a simple method to accurately quantify dissolved silver levels ? --Bill from: A Closer Look At Colloidal Silver By Peter A. Lindemann http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm Colloidal or Ionic? Another big controversy surrounds the question of whether this method produces colloidal silver or ionic silver. Most people have been told that colloidal silver is good and ionic silver is bad. Once again, the truth might be unpopular. The word colloidal refers to a condition where, in this case, a solid particle is SUSPENDED in a liquid (silver in water). The solid particles are too large to be considered DISSOLVED, but are too small to be filtered out. This colloidal condition is most easily detected by what is called the Tyndall effect, where a narrow beam of light is shined through the liquid to produce a cone shaped dispersion of the light. The particles so illuminated also exhibit a random, zig-zag activity called Brownian motion when observed under a microscope. When something is completely dissolved, both the Brownian and Tyndall effects disappear. The word ionic refers to a condition where a particle has an electric charge. In the case of electro-colloidal silver, this electric charge is ALWAYS positive. Silver will not form a negatively charged ion. So, the truth is that electro-colloidal silver is BOTH colloidal and ionic. It is considered colloidal because of the particle SIZE and it is considered ionic because of the particle CHARGE. In fact, most of the biological studies suggest it is colloidal silver's ionic characteristics that make it such a good germicide. It is also interesting to note that the old chemistry books make no distinction between the colloidal and ionic states of the electro-colloidal metals. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: An observation...
Chuck, Thanks for clarifying the purposes of the bulb. The basic question, however, is still looking for an answer: Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) As Mike wrote: ...it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study the process. Any clues ? --Bill At 11:21 AM 7-13-98 -0700, Chuck wrote: This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single nine volt battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare alligator clip lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable amount of current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver process will use. If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst the heat generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. 28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on what is now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb were used, it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn out. Then it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced with a new bulb. 40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the circuit and more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps come in standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but they are harder to get and much more expensive. Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing combustible is near the batteries wire, or don't do it. I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all flames to me at w7...@usa.net -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: An observation... I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to 40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day (in a dark place) ? --Bill At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. Hello George, Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine. I see the same effect at about the same current. I wonder if those are larger particles. A long time ago Rose used a microscope at work to look at some CS I made that was run for a long time (different apparatus and recipe than I'm using now). She saw much larger particles mixed with the almost invisible smaller ones. Above a certain current, some people have talked about burning the silver particles. I doubt that's a proper description, but it conveys the notion that the particles made are different. So it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort
Re: Doctors
Douglas McMurtrie wrote: Be careful with such a radically level and evenhanded position, we wouldn't want people to start thinking that there might actually be two sides to every coin now would we? Let me suggest the technique of tarring them all with the same brush. This is especially helpful when it comes to saving the energy we would otherwise have to spend in thinking about and dealing with different individuals and circumstances. A well developed set of preconceived notions combined with a fixated inflexible dogmatism never hurt either. Hope this will be of some assistance in getting you over your nicely balanced viewpoint. Some things even CS can't cure. ;-) (Sorry all, just for fun, couldn't resist) Kindest regards, Doug. I am unbalanced, unevenhanded, a tarr brusher, a saver on energy, preconceived, fixated, inflexable, dogmatic, and CS doesn't cure this. I take full responsiblity for all others lap of sensiblle thought. Now, could that end it for awhile? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: An observation...
This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single nine volt battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare alligator clip lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable amount of current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver process will use. If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst the heat generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. 28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on what is now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb were used, it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn out. Then it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced with a new bulb. 40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the circuit and more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps come in standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but they are harder to get and much more expensive. Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing combustible is near the batteries wire, or don't do it. I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all flames to me at w7...@usa.net -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: An observation... I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to 40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day (in a dark place) ? --Bill At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. Hello George, Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine. I see the same effect at about the same current. I wonder if those are larger particles. A long time ago Rose used a microscope at work to look at some CS I made that was run for a long time (different apparatus and recipe than I'm using now). She saw much larger particles mixed with the almost invisible smaller ones. Above a certain current, some people have talked about burning the silver particles. I doubt that's a proper description, but it conveys the notion that the particles made are different. So it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study the process. I've also wondered if there is a calculable property that would let you predict that threshold level, such as current density (current flow vs. surface area of electrodes). You're welcome to try the experiments. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To
Re: An observation...
George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. snip Regards, George Martin George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current to determine the cutoff. I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the unproven theory stage. I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to my setup: 3-1/4 wetted length, 14ga, 1/2 apart in an 8 oz container. I don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I get down to the 1/4 level - using it to start my next batch. Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where the product produced may begin to get a bit cloudy - seems that up to that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be detectable. Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to run beyond this point. While the silver sludge builds up on the negatively charged electrode (cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before starting, no precipitation is observed. Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early experimenting. If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be expensive! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Doctors
Philip Collins wrote: Mike, your thoughts are reasonable, sound, diplomatic, productive, constructive. Perhaps some of the exasperation so many feel about MD's grows out of the fact that the medical establishment has indeed achieved such important, life-saving discoveries and treatments, that *they*and*we* somehow have gotten the misconception that they are supposed to know everything and help everyone every time. If *we*and*they* could remember that they are just humans like the rest of us, doing their best and sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, we could drop the resentment and get on with the business of helping people be healthy. Whitney Collins Whitney, Be careful with such a radically level and evenhanded position, we wouldn't want people to start thinking that there might actually be two sides to every coin now would we? Let me suggest the technique of tarring them all with the same brush. This is especially helpful when it comes to saving the energy we would otherwise have to spend in thinking about and dealing with different individuals and circumstances. A well developed set of preconceived notions combined with a fixated inflexible dogmatism never hurt either. Hope this will be of some assistance in getting you over your nicely balanced viewpoint. Some things even CS can't cure. ;-) (Sorry all, just for fun, couldn't resist) Kindest regards, Doug. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Clark says, comfortingly, that if you dont' sleep through the night, you may have the worst night of your life well, I have not slept through a night in the last decade. And no amount of ornithine is going to fool my body into thinking eight hours equals four. I used Clarkes parasite program and the ornithine worked for me like a charm and I have had insomnia as a symptom for over a decade also. (those wonderful docs gave me halcyon, thank heaven I had the sense not to try that) If I woke up, I took another one and fell back to sleep in a much shorter time. So many factors to this scenario but do you use any nutrasweet, that is what started my horror story? The year it came out is the year of my decline. Anyone know any bad things about ornithine supplementation? I said last week that I connected worsened brain fog/die off(herx). One thing that connects with what Reid said as to thick blood, last summer I had memory problems so bad and equilibrium problems and symptoms of stroke and I take meds for blood pressure that is an adrenal inhibitor as this is only what works for me so far and now I have such horrific dehydration and I read on the web that LOW BLOOD pressure causes dehydration. I can sit here and guzzle water all day and not restore my hydration. Anyone have any theories on that one? Sorry off topic:) Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
MCT Fund Update
Closing in on the mark folks! Just absolutely wonderful. Lets bring it on home. The tentative target is $400.00 based on Bob Well's original contact. This number will get more specific as we get test specs and pricing from the labs. For now the fund stands as follows: Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com - $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net - $10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net - $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com - $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org- $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net - $10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net - $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net - $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net - $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com - $20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com- $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp- $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net - $50.00 ___ Total to Date $ 310.00 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Microbial Challenge Test Fund
Joyce wrote: I once used a silver which had an natural, active ingredient added to it (electron-giver) that enhanced the action of the silver in killing pathogens--it was the fastest germ killer tested at a university. Which university? Can we get them to do some testing for us at no charge? Maybe a grad student has a need for a good project. Joyce also wrote: Please choose a testing facility that is honest (not infiltrated by NewWorldOrder who often sabotages health experiments). I'm one of those who does not yet believe in the conspiracy theories attributed to the NewWorldOrder and the Illuminati. Nevertheless, as there are clearly different opinions on the subject, I do not wish to offend. I have no idea which laboratories you might find acceptable. Perhaps you have some suggestions? While we debate how best to approach the testing of CS to our own satisfaction, I'm still interested in finding reputable ways to get the job done for free. That's one reason I'm not anxious to collect any money until we have a consensus on our approach. Any suggestions? Bob Wells
TDS1
thanks list ...Problem solved... -- Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Comfrey Off the Topic
Comfrey is just comfrey. The pepsin must be from something else. I'll be glad to mail you some of the root for growing your own plant if you'll send me your snailmail address. I do not know how many of you will want this, but I will send as much as I can. Wil Cavanaugh chuck...@iamerica.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Lotus files
My apologies to some of you. I use Lotus Notes most of the time for sending mail. I do so because all of my mail is received through Lotus Notes at my corporate address. I tend to read my mail at work more than at home so I just quit using my home address. However, a few people over time have informed me that they can't read my messages when they are sent via Lotus Notes. In those cases, I find that if I use Netscape, my messages escape the corporate environment without any problem. I think one of the problems is that Lotus sends e-mail in a MIME compliant fashion, but not everyone has software or networks which accept these files. If anyone has suggestions about how to deal with this issue, I'm very open to changes. Nevertheless, I'm informed that before too long, we are downgrading from Lotus Notes to Lotus CC Mail. I don't know what difference, if any, that will make to the problem some of you may be having in receiving my messages. If you have comments, please respond to me directly so as to avoid copying everyone on the LIST, most of whom don't care about my e-mail technical issues. For now, I will try to send e-mail to the LIST via Netscape. I believe that will solve the problem for most of you. Bob Wells rockerr (Vern) wrote: Hey Robert, What format are you posting your messages to the silver list in? All I get is an attachment to each message from you that is called Lotus. I have tried several ways to open the attachments, all without success. What program are you using to post and maybe that will help me out. Thanks, Vern
Re: 28 vdc power supply
I'll see if I can find a low-cost, waterproof, non-conductive housing and circuit breaker... Everyone is already using ground-fault circuit breakers on all their outlets in the kitchen (and bath), right ? --Bill 7-12-98, Mike D. wrote: 12 Jul 98, Bill wrote: Here's a source for a Power-One brand linear power supply (part no. HB2B-1-A). ... Can anyone see a problem using this particular power supply to run a 'plug-in' CS generator ? Only the matter of wiring and packaging, assuming it is an open frame supply, or there are screw terminals that have to be wired to house current. One nice thing about batteries is you can't electrocute somebody with 'em. If we are explicit, complete, and include pictures with our instructions we ought to be able to guide just about anyone through the project safely. It could, as you say, be useful for testing our standard recipe. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: To stir or not to stir...
On 12 Jul 98 at 23:10, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: My concern about the magnets comes from the common caution of various authorities out there on the CS web sites who tell you to avoid strong magnetic fields in the vicinity of CS that you are trying to store. The electrostatic field of the charged colloid particles and the magnetic field would certainly interact. It would tend to push the silver particles around, possibly causing them to collide with things in the neighborhood and give up their charge? That's been my assumption, anyway. Yes, Reid, but the E field that is producing the colloid is right against the wire, right?? I still don't see how a magnet of that level could disrupt. . . Nonetheless, I don't much like magnets. So, I'll change horses (maybe even Mike's famous dead one) midstream and vote (like that'll change anything) for the bubbles. Maybe even the ozone bubbles. hahahaha Wil C. Tee hee. I guess my hyperbole is catching up to me. grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Doctors
On 12 Jul 98 at 23:28, Whitney wrote: Mike, your thoughts are reasonable, sound, diplomatic, productive, constructive. Thank you, Whitney. Perhaps some of the exasperation so many feel about MD's grows out of the fact that the medical establishment has indeed achieved such important, life-saving discoveries and treatments, that *they*and*we* somehow have gotten the misconception that they are supposed to know everything and help everyone every time. If *we*and*they* could remember that they are just humans like the rest of us, doing their best and sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, we could drop the resentment and get on with the business of helping people be healthy. We can't control *them*, only ourselves. Doctors, administrators, bureaucrats, and politicians will continue to be arrogant, insensitive, controlling, and sometimes evil -- if the individual chooses to be. The system will continue to encourage those behaviors. Changing all of that is beyond the scope of this list, and probably beyond the abilities of all of us devoting our entire lives to such a cause. We *can* make being out here with the individualists and thinking, rational beings a more attractive prospect than slaving away within the confines of the mainstream. Maybe we'll win a few to our ranks, or to our way of thinking, and seed a few more agents of change inside the beast. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Provocative thoughts
Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins I believe the brain fog is partially caused by two things. Not enough sleep and thick blood. Atleast that's what causes mine. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Provocative thoughts
That is an excellent question Whitney, certainly one I'd like to know the answer as well. I have fibromyalgia and candida. I've been taking only one capsule a day (in the AM) for the last two weeks now, specifically using it to try and clear up the candida. I also have the liquid GsE (glycerine based) which I occasionally use to gargle with (very infrequently and I don't swallow it). I've been thinking about all this brain fog talk here and I'm wondering if that is what is causing me to walk around like a veggie. No joke either. I just can't seem to think straight lately and my fibro symptoms have seemed to magnify itself. I've even developed swollen legs/feet that took a week to subside. Pretty painful getting around. Is it a herx? I wonder since this GsE kills off so much bacteria, etc. that it just might be. You think it may be a good idea to stop using it for awhile to see if my symptoms clear up? Also, I seem to be off-balance, meaning that I frequently stumble or lose my balance. If this stuff is not the culprit, I really wonder what's causing it. I take a lot of different herbs as well as CS. Maybe I'm overdosing or detoxing from too many things? I wonder and yet I've been too tired and foggy to figure it all out. Fidget Philip Collins wrote: Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church h...@piggott.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Don't be too concerned --- I can tell you that the only part that I didn't like was drinking the epsom salts. But even then, after a while I learned that if I made it with very cold water and chugged it real quick, the taste wasn't so bad. I had no trouble sleeping, no discomfort whatsoever. Also, I never felt the stones go rumbling through my bile ducts like Clark suggests, although I pushed out many of them (some as big as marbles). One thing I can stress is *don't eat any foods containing fats* the day you do it, or you won't build up enough bile pressure to push the stones out later. I've had good results eating oatmeal for breakfast and a salad (with no-fat dressing) for lunch on the day of the cleanse. Also highly recommended --- zap for a week (or take parasite herbs for three weeks) before the cleanse. Good luck! ...Tom Philip Collins wrote: I also have all kinds of symptoms including fog and fatigue, and I think I must to a liver flush or several. Trouble is, I dread it like death itself. Please write and tell me it wasn't so bad. Particularly, how did you manage to sleep through the night, or didn't you? If you did not sleep, what happened to you? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes
Hello Frank Matzka. For a full description of a traditional liver flush, see http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/req/cleanse/liver.txt. You will find all sorts of valuable alternative treatments and procedures on that site, which is the webpage of Brian McInturf. Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka fmat...@senet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: To stir or not to stir...
The answer is yes it should be stirred and should prevent larger particals. The water becomes more conductive in that cloud area. Tom, Reid, your observations are right on. This is one of those subtle variables that are going to make it hard to standardize a recipe. One of the most elegant solutions I have thought of is a glass tube attached to an aquarium air pump through a control valve, so a gentle stream of bubbles could keep things stirred up, even when operating at room temperature. One of the things that I considered doing was to put a small slow motor over the glass with the silver wire bent into a U shape sticking into the water. That would be connected to one side of the current and the other would be connected to a few silver wires around the inside of the glass. Also take your wires and touch them to the side or let them touch the bottom of the glass and watch the amp metter. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: To stir or not to stir...
Joyce must be right about the magnet not affecting anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a magnet only affect ferrous metals? Wil C. A magnet also has a E-field which is a electron field and electrons is what is being used to make the silver. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: Provocative thoughts
It seemed SO severe, and I tried continuing, until I just couldn't. Usually a Herx reaction would let up with a little time right? Charles -Original Message- From: Philip Collins [mailto:xanadu...@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:45 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: Provocative thoughts Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church h...@piggott.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Provocative thoughts
Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church h...@piggott.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Hello, Tom. I also have all kinds of symptoms including fog and fatigue, and I think I must to a liver flush or several. Trouble is, I dread it like death itself. Please write and tell me it wasn't so bad. Particularly, how did you manage to sleep through the night, or didn't you? If you did not sleep, what happened to you? Clark says, comfortingly, that if you dont' sleep through the night, you may have the worst night of your life well, I have not slept through a night in the last decade. And no amount of ornithine is going to fool my body into thinking eight hours equals four. So I wonder what I am going to face? Can you help? thanks! Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Tom Young tyo...@esslink.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: OT: Brain fog anecdotes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Doctors
Mike, your thoughts are reasonable, sound, diplomatic, productive, constructive. Perhaps some of the exasperation so many feel about MD's grows out of the fact that the medical establishment has indeed achieved such important, life-saving discoveries and treatments, that *they*and*we* somehow have gotten the misconception that they are supposed to know everything and help everyone every time. If *we*and*they* could remember that they are just humans like the rest of us, doing their best and sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, we could drop the resentment and get on with the business of helping people be healthy. Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 12:09 PM Subject: Doctors -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
COMFREY
I also would like to have any information that some one on the list may have about Comfrey. thanks very much .. -- Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
COMFREY
Yes, it's back in health food stores. Years ago comfrey-pepsin was a wonderful GI (Gastrointestinal )healing agent. We used it to heal ulcers, to sooth the GI tract and it worked great. Who says you need antibitics to heal h.pylori?? Anyway, someone got a hairbrained idea to shove 1000 x the usual does into lab rats and i believe it caused cancer. (Duuuhhh, no kidding) So in all of their wisdom the FDA took it off the market. I do not know if it ever came back. Now we use Okra Pepsin, which seems to work good too. So, Joyce if you have comfrey pepsin in your yard, do find out what, how, when and why, because it is valuable. BTW don't forget to e-mail me your address, off the net! chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
COMFREY: THE BONEMENDER
W. D. Cavanaugh chuck...@iamerica.net: My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey... COMFREY: One of the best weapons in herbal medicine; miraculous in it's ability to rapidly mend and heal broken bones and torn flesh. The Indians called it BONEMENDER and was wrapped around limbs with broken bones and other injuries to promote healing. Even the Egyptians knew of it's power. They would place the wet leaves over tumor areas. It grows all around the world in some form - even Siberia - like Nature's general medicine. One plant will quickly spread and they're very durable little buggers. The leaves are good, but the roots are also used for their magical active ingredient allantoin. We have a huge patch growing in the middle of our garden every year and I've drank gallons of fresh comfrey tea. This year I'll be juicing the fresh leaves. For a long time my dad has been making a special comfrey liquid that he gives to people with arthritis and other problems; they rub it on the painful area and soon it's like new again. His aunt taught him how to make it; the roots and/or leaves have to soak in alcohol for months before it's ready. He preaches comfrey like born agains preach the Bible. Great stuff, that comfrey. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Comfrey Off the Topic
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:57:36 + From: chc c...@jps.net Reply-to: c...@jps.net Organization: Creative Health Center To:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Comfrey Off the Topic Years ago comfrey-pepsin was a wonderful GI (Gastrointestinal )healing agent. We used it to heal ulcers, to sooth the GI tract and it worked great. Who says you need antibitics to heal h.pylori?? Anyway, someone got a hairbrained idea to shove 1000 x the usual does into lab rats and i believe it caused cancer. (Duuuhhh, no kidding) So in all of their wisdom the FDA took it off the market. I do not know if it ever came back. Now we use Okra Pepsin, which seems to work good too. So, Joyce if you have comfrey pepsin in your yard, do find out what, how, when and why, because it is valuable. BTW don't forget to e-mail me your address, off the net! chc Nature's Sunshine makes a marshmallow pepsin product that will do about the same thing. Dr. Kelley used this in his cancer treatment to clean the villi of the small intestine of mucus so the body would get its nutritients. Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: What the ennemy is doing....
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:46:34 -0400 From: ryb ash...@colba.net To:rife-l...@eskimo.com Subject: What the ennemy is doing I suggest that all those that still believe in some openness of scientific medecine go to this site: http://www.hcrc.org/index.htmlwhere you will learn that acupuncture,herbs,vitamins all al unscientifically incorrect.Also same for HS-Hydrazine Sulfate (they only cite as references biased sutdies and do NOT mention that in those 'damaging studies' vs HS that on some mices and later patients-no mention was made NOT to give them morphine,alcolhol,etc...Their magazine Scientific review of alternative Medecine-only the name of it is REAL science... But look at this sit like the dictionary, etc it gives good description of certain alternative treatments,etc.. Yours,ryb The one thing I found most interesting here was the definition of a quack. Here it is: Quack - health schemes and remedies known to be false, unsafe or unproven, being promoted for financial gain. Now if that doesn't sound like your neighborhood M.D., what does!!! So now you know who the real quacks are!G Be healthy, stay away from quacks. Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
